Ubi should place a link to this video on the home screen at this point, because this is a video that everyone needs to see. Very informational and straight to the point, thanks for this video Freeze
One extra small info : If two people fight who both have revenge, GB immunity beats out GBs ignoring normal GB vulnerability rules, meaning that if you are in revenge, you cannot GB through attacks of an opponent who is also in revenge.
So, it's easier for hero with lower HP pool to fill their revenge bar, and faster for the revenge to drain for them. Is it safe to assume that every hero gain revenge at the same rate in the same condition, but heroes with lower HP pool simply has a shorter revenge meter? Thus it take less revenge juice to fill their bar. Instead of you said that they gain more revenge from the same attack? ((x+120)/7.7)-((x+140)/9.2)=0 is solvable, thus revenge capacity could be some multiplier times base hp - some number. Just my thought, mathematically it works out.
I'm almost positive this is how it works. Having more HP does not change the raw number of 'revenge points' you gain per attack, rather having more HP means you have a larger bar, and therefore more 'revenge points' are needed to fill it. In game, all bars are the same size, which is why you see proportionally less of the visual bar fill up on a high HP hero.
really wish the timers and tags were shown in game, even if it's just for yourself. Revenge is such a pivotal mechanic in this game that it deserves to be visible.
At this point Ubi should just have your channel link on For Honor's main menu. Excellent work and thank you. The format for tags was incredibly helpful.
Finally i can show this yo my friends that play. After what.. 4 years? I understood it very well but still learned a lot from this video. Now i can bless my new friends with this video. Thanks Freeze
Honestly the idea of revenge popping instantly sounds like a good idea as it removes the scenario of "But I pressed the button!?!", it would fix revenge holding AND you could focus more on the actual gank rather than having a less to fight that has to hover over the revenge button.
doesnt always work. its suppose to be like this but im pretty sure youve seen the 1v4s where people are constantly attacking and you got a guy parrying up to 5x and the revenge doesn't raise. there will be bugs in a game but its just too consistent here.
I posted a reddit post about how revenge should go down after about ten seconds of holding, and most people complained that this would make revenge incredibly weak, I argued and argued, but this is reddit so no winning that one. Revenge holding is a problem especially in team fights.
The only thing i didn’t really know was that when your opponents have equal or more tags they don’t feed. I knew everything else from previous freeze videos anyway though, so, great job!
This is incredible. By far the best video you've ever made. I've been playing since launch, and, while I know enough to not throw random heavies in ganks, there was so much more that I didn't know. Thanks for this. I hope it will help the general population, especially in general MM.
2 things I want 1. An option that autopops revenge when you get while low on health 2. Everyone who gave you revenge gets that nuxia feat where they cant roll away when you pop it
That tag system was explained really thoroughly and does explain a few rage times I had where I was wondering where my revenge was at. Thanks for the vid!
Saw what the video was about and liked it about 3 seconds in. Also I know you mentioned revenge throw can be interrupted via bash/offensive feat, I've noticed that interaction also applies to the entirety of the revenge guard-break where it can be interrupted via bash/feat, so just to make sure it's known, if you are in revenge while in a ledge position DON'T guard-break a bash as it will still knock you back, throw a regular attack instead so you'll super armor through it.
I was informed a few months ago that the same amount of tags prevents revenge gain. I didn't think to extrapolate that to more than just two tags. So this is great to know. Overall amazing video. Though I still worry that people will think revenge needs buffs because they occasionally get interrupted or guard broken because they forget things like recoveries still exist in revenge.
Does the whole ‘holding revenge by locking onto heroes’ thing work when locking into non-hero characters such as officers, guardian and commander in breach?
Yes any unit that you can manually lock on to either that be an opponent handled by a real person or AI(enemy bots, officers, commanders, guardians) allows you to sustain your revenge bar.
Ive always considered myself very in-tune with metering revenge gain and knowing when somebody has it, and even I learned quite a bit! Thats what we like to see boys, good job freeze
Sometimes I get mad at revenge "not working", then I rewatch this video and I get sad again because it was just me being bad. Jokes aside, I do actually watch the video somewhat regularly, it's incredibly helpful.
This has been one of your best videos ! I honestly never understood why revenge was not activating when team gancs were happening. The tag system is definitely not my fave, managing an invisible tag system based upon opponents tags seems absurd
Very good video. Very informative. I honestly think this is the best and most important video ever made by this channel. My amount of rage will probably decrease by like 50% while playing dominion. This video will make the game much more fun and healthy for me since I will understand it better. Thank you very much for this video, very very helpful.
I previously thought that if there were two people locked on me, and one of them attack me, my revenge bar would be filled. As many times it was not filled at all, I got pissed and thought that the game was broken. Now I understand, I will stop complaining and start playing more strategically.
@Freeze Thanks mate !! incredible job you have done !! Many hours of work here !! Again thank you for explaining revenge in deep detail ! Stay safe mate !!
Question about Revenge holding, you said players needs to be locked on a player, does it work if you lock onto an Officer, Commander or Guardian in Breach?
Not sure if this has been answered yet. Does Centurion's kick still work against enemies with revenge? Last time I played I always wondered why his worked and no one else's did.
When being impaled by warmonger, you are (or used to idk if it's still in the game) able to still get attacked, gain full damage but the impale still goes on plus the blood damage after hitting a wall. Had that happen to me once or twice already and wanted to know if you could maybe check it out
It works as intended--> the intended functionality allows for unfair ganks and does not reward good defensive reads in outnumbered scenarios. Even in revenge gankers run away and if you attack one the others get free attacks and occasional gbs and stuns. Great video for an unnecessary complicated and undertuned mechanic. If I duel against a dude and every time I get a good punish (Heavy or long animation punishes) the second guy can punish me hard and just wait for 5 seconds for the next attack to feed no revenge! Revenge multipliers should take in account proximity of allies and enemies
The tag system is bull shit.. Also he didnt mention nothing about sbmm or mmr fucking with those numbers so that. People with less skill can have the revenge edge in the match an pretty much get revenge from someone breathing you
@@AsianSadge you Dont know that.. Because the mmr in this game is determined by a bunch of unknown factors that ubi doesn't specifically tell us or explain very well.. Plus sbmm is in every game.. This game is no different.. And in my experience playing.. Revenge, minions, hitboxes, walls, renown, stamina, bleed damage, phantom blocks, n disappearing indicators are if these things tend to happen more so against the better player in the lobby while the lower skilled played can turn his brain half off. N keep making mistakes with the least amount of repercussions.. I cant make a single mistake in a GANK but yet the same enemies can make mutilpe mistakes against me but I wont have revenge in just two hits and a block.. Revenge definitely doesn't work the same for everyone.. An mmr is the reason for that..
@@idieb4uwin517 therefore because we don’t know if it can be proven false it must be true? That’s a fallacy dude. You’re gonna need more than personal experience to back up a claim that bold
@freeze i use the revenge as an animation cancel on parrys. so i get revenge and use an unblock attack when they parry i revenge and gb. usually only on raider.
One thing I think that wasn't touched upon and explained. If say, Shinobi gains health though the head hunter perk after four executions - which I know is unlikely in the absolute state that he is right now, does he still generate revenge at the same rate? Or does the extra health affect his revenge meter gain?
You still can Zhanhu gets regular Dodge frames in his dodge, Just not his dodge attack Just need to delay his dodge attack so its more You dodge first, Then attack. That way you get your dodge franes first and can still use the attack
Hey freeze can you do a video on the role per character class? Yes you can play who you want and how ever you want but I believe if you have a good time with communication and know their role in their team i feel are most likely to win in a 4v4 like dom or breach
So what prevents activation, for example being pinned by cent then knocked into a wall by jorm heavy finisher prevents you from activating but the pole charge from lb doesn't prevent it, you can activate it mid charge, why?
When I still played I had a teammate die in a 2v2, and when the JJ executed him, he tossed his dead body at his own teammate, a BP. That BP proceeded to GET REVENGE in a 2v1 situation. While I know that many people misunderstood the tag system and it’s untold fundamental complexity by the developers, I think it’s fair to say that the system either needs some minor adjustments, or the tag system needs to be switched out for a proximity-based structure. They already have potential coding for this type of system, with proximity being a factor for some feats in the game. The tag system, requiring consistent waiting to lose tags in ganks, encourages a slower paced gameplay than if proximity was used to consider revenge gain for a player.
Thanks for the video freeze. @4:02 was a little confusing so let me get this straight. If your enemy still has at least 1 tag less than you, you may still not get revenge if he had multiple tags on him already, because in reality all tags needs to expire before you are able to receive revenge? What about this scenario: 1. Opponent has 3 tags. You have 3 tags 2. 1 of the tags expires for the opponent, bringing him to 2 tags. 3. He hits you, you still do not gain revenge. 4. Another one of the tags for your opponent expires, bringing him to 1 tag. Based on what freeze is saying, if the opponent hit you, you still would not get revenge until the last tag expired. However, what if another teammates hit the opponent, adding another tag? Now the opponent has 2 tags, and you have 3. Does that reset things so that if you were hit by the opponent would start gaining revenge again, or does that just delay the resetting of your opponent's tags so that you can actually gain revenge?? This is quite compilated. I'm also curious what would happen if you were the one to hit the opponent, bringing him to 2 tags when you had 3.
Thanks for the video, and that anti gank with kensei was actually pretty good. I have a video idea i thought you could make, if you wish of course. Its about jormungandr, explaining why hes unhealthy, why he isnt op, what needs to be done and changed for the hero. Its just a thought.
Great Video! Thumbs up. One thing I was always curious about: does Gear Score affect the amount of revenge gained? Since you did not mention it, I guess it's not a thing, but for me it certainly feels that way.
Problem with not being able to hold ur revenge infinitely is ppl running away so ur forced to waste ur revenge on nothing. I know those that do that usually roll away once u pop revenge but now theyll do it before u even do that so u wont even get the benefit of the auto parry
Thanks great vid. Didn't know about the tags. Pretty obvious that revenge holding should be taken off. As well as being able to build revenge while 1v1. One question though, if you feint an attack does that still put a tag on your enemy?
I wonder if its time for an updated version of this video? I'm not an expert on how revenge works but i feel like theres a handful of things they've changed since then. I'm wondering if the feed revenge ability for specific characters is still a thing? I feel like they removed it since then but I'm not sure. And also does holding revenge still work the same? Like 5 seconds out of guard and you lose it or do you have it until you use or die now?
One thing I would like to see tested on revenge is removing the “auto parry” feature on activation and replace it with a small AoE knockdown so you can use activation more offensively or defensively
This is a nice guide and all, but can it explain how the enemy blocks two attacks and gets revenge while I’ll have to block/parry at least ten attacks and still not have revenge?
This feels kind of unnecessarily complicated. Would this not promote some jerk highlander to sprint around and try to push you? Or a warden to just charge full bashes? Or a raider to carry you? Or a kensei kick? Etc. I get that this allows someone else to be present, and not attacking; but wouldn’t it make sense to be aoe anyway? You’re outnumbered but they HAVE to hit you in order for the game to register you’re out numbered.
Yeah the tags go out a little to quick and I had a cent trying to hit me and my teammate when we where already in a 2v2 and he got revenge when neither of us touched him or locked into him
Excellent and very detailed guide! I already knew some Things about tags and that you need 2 tags at least to get revenge but im sure i need to look Up this video some times again especially for that Part around 3:30 with more Players than a 2v2. Atm i really cant See myself having an overview about so many tags on more than 3 players, but time will tell and maybe i get better! Keep your good content coming! Edit: however i have a question about unlocked attack: If i Hit someone without being locked onto him, do i add a tag and/or even Feed revenge? Sorry If you already showed that and i missed it
Little late to watching this video, but maybe the revenge bar is the same as your health bar? So if revenge uses a point system for each attack, and lower the health the quicker you get revenge, so shinobis 110 health, means he needs 110 points to gain revenge?
freeze do you know if valk will get a buff any time soon? She is really underrated but she just does so little damage compared to other characters with the same light/heavy characteristics.
so if I am fighting someone and my friend comes up and hits him once and then I dont hit him for 5 secs and neither does my friend, either of us can hit him at that point and no revenge gain
I can say I dont know it was time bassed, I though it was: -Have more tags then your opponents. -The enemy have to be with in a few meters from you to able to gain revenge.
Do moves that r undodgeable unblockable bashes and hyper armoured increase the amount of revenge gain because jorm always seems to feed revenge very quickly. And they have all them abilities
I think you can interrupt at least HL revenge gb throw if you time it correctly. I had guy doing it consistently in very end of throw so that I get staggered and the opponent won't fall down (I think the falling is actually interrupted by the guy getting hitted by his teammate).
questiln to shogu players. if you embrace someone. do you want people to hit the enmy while you carry him with fhe strongest attack or leave the opponent to you. question goes to cent, hulda aswell
Wait for the shugo to get health back, then hit with a top heavy. Same with cent and jorm, wait for them to get the punish and then throw your attack once you see they applied the damage and the other person is still locked in the pinned down animation.
Idk, I've been tagged plenty of times by 3 characters and no revenge but as soon as I help a team mate with 1 hit they get it straight away and he has full health still so no tags hmm interesting though
ok no bait comments on this one cause fridge worked real hard on it
very poggers
Don’t mind me I just watched fridge explain revenge
Kudos Freeze well structured and very informational.
Thank you for helping :D
Ubi should place a link to this video on the home screen at this point, because this is a video that everyone needs to see. Very informational and straight to the point, thanks for this video Freeze
Thank you infinite
Ubi should just link freezes YT channel instead of having their training feature
One extra small info : If two people fight who both have revenge, GB immunity beats out GBs ignoring normal GB vulnerability rules, meaning that if you are in revenge, you cannot GB through attacks of an opponent who is also in revenge.
So, it's easier for hero with lower HP pool to fill their revenge bar, and faster for the revenge to drain for them. Is it safe to assume that every hero gain revenge at the same rate in the same condition, but heroes with lower HP pool simply has a shorter revenge meter? Thus it take less revenge juice to fill their bar. Instead of you said that they gain more revenge from the same attack? ((x+120)/7.7)-((x+140)/9.2)=0 is solvable, thus revenge capacity could be some multiplier times base hp - some number. Just my thought, mathematically it works out.
Nerd
I'm almost positive this is how it works. Having more HP does not change the raw number of 'revenge points' you gain per attack, rather having more HP means you have a larger bar, and therefore more 'revenge points' are needed to fill it. In game, all bars are the same size, which is why you see proportionally less of the visual bar fill up on a high HP hero.
Yep this was what I was thinking while watching the video, seems more likely to be the case
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Based Freeze. Time to share that as much as possible, thank you for your work, gamer!
cheers mojo :D
really wish the timers and tags were shown in game, even if it's just for yourself. Revenge is such a pivotal mechanic in this game that it deserves to be visible.
Knowing some players they wouldn't pay attention if the numbers were bigger than their enemy and still find a way to not take responsibility
I thought I knew how it worked, but I learned already more halfway through this video than I thought I was going to learn.
At this point Ubi should just have your channel link on For Honor's main menu.
Excellent work and thank you. The format for tags was incredibly helpful.
Finally i can show this yo my friends that play. After what.. 4 years? I understood it very well but still learned a lot from this video. Now i can bless my new friends with this video. Thanks Freeze
Freeze is like that one science teacher left at school who isnt there because of the job anymore, he just likes getting people to understand things
I can finally show my cave man teammates how this system works. Thanks man
Amazing vid, mister fridge
Honestly the idea of revenge popping instantly sounds like a good idea as it removes the scenario of "But I pressed the button!?!", it would fix revenge holding AND you could focus more on the actual gank rather than having a less to fight that has to hover over the revenge button.
Would also remove the embarrassment of accidentally emoting
It would also be more balanced as some people don't press revenge instantly and like to hold it off to give scary pressure to the opposing team.
Very glad to finally have concrete video examples on this.
I can only hope the community listens to the advice it gives, please god.
doesnt always work. its suppose to be like this but im pretty sure youve seen the 1v4s where people are constantly attacking and you got a guy parrying up to 5x and the revenge doesn't raise. there will be bugs in a game but its just too consistent here.
@@xsorakazamax7522 Pretty sure that doesn't happen.
@@EmptyTenementSpirit you haven’t played for honor have you
@@thedogguy2137 I've played it for the entire time the game has been out, and to this day, I am still disappointed in the people who play this game.
Huh, so that's how it works. A bit more complex than I thought.
Great video Freeze, thank you a lot for the information.
I posted a reddit post about how revenge should go down after about ten seconds of holding, and most people complained that this would make revenge incredibly weak, I argued and argued, but this is reddit so no winning that one. Revenge holding is a problem especially in team fights.
dont be ganking trash then
@@spookytimescaryvideos4395 brezhor what?
One small addition to the super armor section. Nuxia's traps are still vulnerable to all forms of interruption.
Wow, I had no idea that the revenge system was so elaborate. Thank you for this
The only thing i didn’t really know was that when your opponents have equal or more tags they don’t feed. I knew everything else from previous freeze videos anyway though, so, great job!
Thank you for making this guide. Now I can gank effectively and not scream, "Where is my Revenge?", when I dont get it in an antigank.
*Chef's Kiss*
This is God's work you're doin Freezer.
This is incredible. By far the best video you've ever made. I've been playing since launch, and, while I know enough to not throw random heavies in ganks, there was so much more that I didn't know. Thanks for this. I hope it will help the general population, especially in general MM.
Imagine working hard on a video to inform the community and be called toxic and killing the game
only because he plays strong heroes he gets shit on
@@vittorio1727 so every knight main is toxic and killing the game
@@vittorio1727 Yeah just ignore the fact he's the only youtuber that publish these kinds of videos
@@youswallow11 yeah he plays conq and shugo so his points are invalid and people should not take him seriously
@@vittorio1727 if you're joking, this is hilarious, if not, you have no idea what you're talking about
2 things I want
1. An option that autopops revenge when you get while low on health
2. Everyone who gave you revenge gets that nuxia feat where they cant roll away when you pop it
8:57 when she says she’s just playing for honor with the guys
I'm pretty sure shaman can handle 4 ༼ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ༽
That tag system was explained really thoroughly and does explain a few rage times I had where I was wondering where my revenge was at. Thanks for the vid!
Saw what the video was about and liked it about 3 seconds in. Also I know you mentioned revenge throw can be interrupted via bash/offensive feat, I've noticed that interaction also applies to the entirety of the revenge guard-break where it can be interrupted via bash/feat, so just to make sure it's known, if you are in revenge while in a ledge position DON'T guard-break a bash as it will still knock you back, throw a regular attack instead so you'll super armor through it.
I haven't played since warmonger release, thanks for the refresher on this so I don't tilt my mates when returning
Don't worry, Warmonger is good now and rather easy to face against if you know your stuff
The effort put into this video is astonishing.
I was informed a few months ago that the same amount of tags prevents revenge gain. I didn't think to extrapolate that to more than just two tags. So this is great to know.
Overall amazing video. Though I still worry that people will think revenge needs buffs because they occasionally get interrupted or guard broken because they forget things like recoveries still exist in revenge.
Does the whole ‘holding revenge by locking onto heroes’ thing work when locking into non-hero characters such as officers, guardian and commander in breach?
Yes, tested by accident it today (I am certain it does with officers, but idk about the others)
Yes any unit that you can manually lock on to either that be an opponent handled by a real person or AI(enemy bots, officers, commanders, guardians) allows you to sustain your revenge bar.
Damn, I never thought such a long video can come out of this subject.
You've outdone yourself freeze, thanks for your effort!
Ive always considered myself very in-tune with metering revenge gain and knowing when somebody has it, and even I learned quite a bit! Thats what we like to see boys, good job freeze
Sometimes I get mad at revenge "not working", then I rewatch this video and I get sad again because it was just me being bad.
Jokes aside, I do actually watch the video somewhat regularly, it's incredibly helpful.
Thanks for the info Mr. Below 0°
It’s kind of amazing that You gotta go out of your way to learn the ins and outs of one of the games main mechanics..
Tbf rainbow six seige is like that too
Uvisoft just has a knack for not giving a tutorial or explanation
This has been one of your best videos ! I honestly never understood why revenge was not activating when team gancs were happening. The tag system is definitely not my fave, managing an invisible tag system based upon opponents tags seems absurd
YEeeeeesss! Finally! Good on you Freeze! I liked and am already subbed. Ok, now to watch the video ^^
Very good video. Very informative. I honestly think this is the best and most important video ever made by this channel. My amount of rage will probably decrease by like 50% while playing dominion. This video will make the game much more fun and healthy for me since I will understand it better. Thank you very much for this video, very very helpful.
I previously thought that if there were two people locked on me, and one of them attack me, my revenge bar would be filled. As many times it was not filled at all, I got pissed and thought that the game was broken. Now I understand, I will stop complaining and start playing more strategically.
Holy fuck this is some high-effort/high-quality educational content! Good job man!
The revenge graphics you made has me proud. Your effort should not go unnoticed mr fridge
@Freeze Thanks mate !! incredible job you have done !! Many hours of work here !! Again thank you for explaining revenge in deep detail ! Stay safe mate !!
That was WAAAAAAYYYYYYYY more complicated than ii thought
I kinda get what they were trying to do with the tag system but I can't help but feel that it can be easily exploited.
Question about Revenge holding, you said players needs to be locked on a player, does it work if you lock onto an Officer, Commander or Guardian in Breach?
yes
as long as you are locked on something
@@theforknut2415 Gotcha, thanks
Not sure if this has been answered yet. Does Centurion's kick still work against enemies with revenge? Last time I played I always wondered why his worked and no one else's did.
When being impaled by warmonger, you are (or used to idk if it's still in the game) able to still get attacked, gain full damage but the impale still goes on plus the blood damage after hitting a wall.
Had that happen to me once or twice already and wanted to know if you could maybe check it out
This is very helpful i did not know anything about the tag system andni always wondered why my revenge was always at a sliver
It works as intended--> the intended functionality allows for unfair ganks and does not reward good defensive reads in outnumbered scenarios. Even in revenge gankers run away and if you attack one the others get free attacks and occasional gbs and stuns. Great video for an unnecessary complicated and undertuned mechanic. If I duel against a dude and every time I get a good punish (Heavy or long animation punishes) the second guy can punish me hard and just wait for 5 seconds for the next attack to feed no revenge! Revenge multipliers should take in account proximity of allies and enemies
I have to agree with your last sentence.
The tag system is bull shit.. Also he didnt mention nothing about sbmm or mmr fucking with those numbers so that. People with less skill can have the revenge edge in the match an pretty much get revenge from someone breathing you
@@idieb4uwin517 revenge is not affected by mmr what
@@AsianSadge you Dont know that.. Because the mmr in this game is determined by a bunch of unknown factors that ubi doesn't specifically tell us or explain very well.. Plus sbmm is in every game.. This game is no different.. And in my experience playing.. Revenge, minions, hitboxes, walls, renown, stamina, bleed damage, phantom blocks, n disappearing indicators are if these things tend to happen more so against the better player in the lobby while the lower skilled played can turn his brain half off. N keep making mistakes with the least amount of repercussions.. I cant make a single mistake in a GANK but yet the same enemies can make mutilpe mistakes against me but I wont have revenge in just two hits and a block.. Revenge definitely doesn't work the same for everyone.. An mmr is the reason for that..
@@idieb4uwin517 therefore because we don’t know if it can be proven false it must be true? That’s a fallacy dude. You’re gonna need more than personal experience to back up a claim that bold
THANK YOU MR FREEZE
I was getting so tired of streamers telling the player base "oH wHy DoEsN't AnYoNe KnOw hOw rEVENge WorkS" NOW I KNOW
Hell yeah! Been waiting on this video for a while and it was worth it. Thanks a lot my dude.
No idea whos the fridge man but thank you very much, very useful I've been looking for the answers for too long
@freeze i use the revenge as an animation cancel on parrys. so i get revenge and use an unblock attack when they parry i revenge and gb. usually only on raider.
One thing I think that wasn't touched upon and explained. If say, Shinobi gains health though the head hunter perk after four executions - which I know is unlikely in the absolute state that he is right now, does he still generate revenge at the same rate? Or does the extra health affect his revenge meter gain?
No, he said that it goes by your base health. Anything that adds to your health, doesn't change the revenge total or what it takes to get revenge
8:45 Does this means that Zhanhu can't fill his revenge meter from dodging?
You still can
Zhanhu gets regular Dodge frames in his dodge, Just not his dodge attack
Just need to delay his dodge attack so its more You dodge first, Then attack. That way you get your dodge franes first and can still use the attack
Hey freeze can you do a video on the role per character class? Yes you can play who you want and how ever you want but I believe if you have a good time with communication and know their role in their team i feel are most likely to win in a 4v4 like dom or breach
The problem is role is not dependent on character class. Class means nothing outside of renown gain
So what prevents activation, for example being pinned by cent then knocked into a wall by jorm heavy finisher prevents you from activating but the pole charge from lb doesn't prevent it, you can activate it mid charge, why?
When I still played I had a teammate die in a 2v2, and when the JJ executed him, he tossed his dead body at his own teammate, a BP. That BP proceeded to GET REVENGE in a 2v1 situation.
While I know that many people misunderstood the tag system and it’s untold fundamental complexity by the developers, I think it’s fair to say that the system either needs some minor adjustments, or the tag system needs to be switched out for a proximity-based structure.
They already have potential coding for this type of system, with proximity being a factor for some feats in the game. The tag system, requiring consistent waiting to lose tags in ganks, encourages a slower paced gameplay than if proximity was used to consider revenge gain for a player.
I was just trying to figure this out. Thanks.
Thanks for the video freeze. @4:02 was a little confusing so let me get this straight. If your enemy still has at least 1 tag less than you, you may still not get revenge if he had multiple tags on him already, because in reality all tags needs to expire before you are able to receive revenge?
What about this scenario:
1. Opponent has 3 tags. You have 3 tags
2. 1 of the tags expires for the opponent, bringing him to 2 tags.
3. He hits you, you still do not gain revenge.
4. Another one of the tags for your opponent expires, bringing him to 1 tag.
Based on what freeze is saying, if the opponent hit you, you still would not get revenge until the last tag expired. However, what if another teammates hit the opponent, adding another tag? Now the opponent has 2 tags, and you have 3. Does that reset things so that if you were hit by the opponent would start gaining revenge again, or does that just delay the resetting of your opponent's tags so that you can actually gain revenge??
This is quite compilated. I'm also curious what would happen if you were the one to hit the opponent, bringing him to 2 tags when you had 3.
Thanks for the video, and that anti gank with kensei was actually pretty good. I have a video idea i thought you could make, if you wish of course. Its about jormungandr, explaining why hes unhealthy, why he isnt op, what needs to be done and changed for the hero. Its just a thought.
Great Video! Thumbs up.
One thing I was always curious about: does Gear Score affect the amount of revenge gained? Since you did not mention it, I guess it's not a thing, but for me it certainly feels that way.
Problem with not being able to hold ur revenge infinitely is ppl running away so ur forced to waste ur revenge on nothing. I know those that do that usually roll away once u pop revenge but now theyll do it before u even do that so u wont even get the benefit of the auto parry
Thanks great vid. Didn't know about the tags. Pretty obvious that revenge holding should be taken off. As well as being able to build revenge while 1v1. One question though, if you feint an attack does that still put a tag on your enemy?
No, the attack needs to physically connect to add a tag
I wonder if its time for an updated version of this video? I'm not an expert on how revenge works but i feel like theres a handful of things they've changed since then. I'm wondering if the feed revenge ability for specific characters is still a thing? I feel like they removed it since then but I'm not sure. And also does holding revenge still work the same? Like 5 seconds out of guard and you lose it or do you have it until you use or die now?
They removed the bar in the bottom left and the feat Revenge Attacks.
The rest is still the same.
The perfect "how to revenge" video *does* exist.
Thanks for the detailed work freeze
Very valuable information and very much needed to say the least
Can I get confirmation this video is still relevant today? Did they change anything since then?
Freeze confirmed in a recent vid that this one is still accurate, in case you weren't already aware.
One thing I would like to see tested on revenge is removing the “auto parry” feature on activation and replace it with a small AoE knockdown so you can use activation more offensively or defensively
This is a nice guide and all, but can it explain how the enemy blocks two attacks and gets revenge while I’ll have to block/parry at least ten attacks and still not have revenge?
yes, it explains all that
@@fkkfreeze I WAS JUST KIDDING-
This feels kind of unnecessarily complicated. Would this not promote some jerk highlander to sprint around and try to push you? Or a warden to just charge full bashes? Or a raider to carry you? Or a kensei kick? Etc. I get that this allows someone else to be present, and not attacking; but wouldn’t it make sense to be aoe anyway? You’re outnumbered but they HAVE to hit you in order for the game to register you’re out numbered.
Thank you now I'll stop getting so salty over revenge because I can see where I went wrong etc!
Tag system is my problem. Especially when you fight 2 people in a situation where one bash attacks you while the other does nothing unless you attack.
Yeah the tags go out a little to quick and I had a cent trying to hit me and my teammate when we where already in a 2v2 and he got revenge when neither of us touched him or locked into him
Well that's proper ganking, you can't get mad at that
Excellent and very detailed guide! I already knew some Things about tags and that you need 2 tags at least to get revenge but im sure i need to look Up this video some times again especially for that Part around 3:30 with more Players than a 2v2. Atm i really cant See myself having an overview about so many tags on more than 3 players, but time will tell and maybe i get better!
Keep your good content coming!
Edit: however i have a question about unlocked attack: If i Hit someone without being locked onto him, do i add a tag and/or even Feed revenge? Sorry If you already showed that and i missed it
I have a question why is it when I purposely miss a attack to combo into another attack they still gain revenge from the missed attack?
No
does gladiators toe stab follow the same mechanics as a regular bash, or does it go by some other revenge feed mechanic because it does damage?
Same as a regular bash
You should do a vid on disappearing indicators
something is wrong with my revenge bar, its not showing up i already turned it on in the settings but it still doesn't show up
i dont have the revenge meter how do i get it :(
They took it off now the only way to see your amount of revenge is on your emblem.
Ok so you know how people run from people with revenge until it runs out shouldn’t it have a speed boost so people don’t just run away
should maybe give heroes actual chase... how about that
@@fkkfreeze anything as long as people don’t just simple run away for 8 seconds and I can’t even blame them as it’s probably the best thing to do
Little late to watching this video, but maybe the revenge bar is the same as your health bar? So if revenge uses a point system for each attack, and lower the health the quicker you get revenge, so shinobis 110 health, means he needs 110 points to gain revenge?
Thanks man! Really needed this! Awesome video!
Does the AEGIS perk affect the REVENGE shield amount?
Great vid man, appreciate all the work you put in 👍
Absolutely agree that revenge should only be held without popping for some 10-15 seconds or so.
freeze do you know if valk will get a buff any time soon? She is really underrated but she just does so little damage compared to other characters with the same light/heavy characteristics.
Nice video bro, really helpful.
What if they just do an unblockable and the other person grabs me every time, is there nothing I can do?
Parry early in the window
I’m gonna enjoy rewatching this next time I get ganked ahaha
Thanks my man. Very helpful.
so if I am fighting someone and my friend comes up and hits him once and then I dont hit him for 5 secs and neither does my friend, either of us can hit him at that point and no revenge gain
I can say I dont know it was time bassed, I though it was:
-Have more tags then your opponents.
-The enemy have to be with in a few meters from you to able to gain revenge.
Do moves that r undodgeable unblockable bashes and hyper armoured increase the amount of revenge gain because jorm always seems to feed revenge very quickly. And they have all them abilities
Yes. Idk about undodgable but anything with an "orange" effect of any kind give metric assloads of revenge
Revenge is based off the damage of the attack and on no other properties. Bashes feed 20 revenge
@@Tsaooyoh thanks
I think you can interrupt at least HL revenge gb throw if you time it correctly. I had guy doing it consistently in very end of throw so that I get staggered and the opponent won't fall down (I think the falling is actually interrupted by the guy getting hitted by his teammate).
I got interrupted yesterday in the middle of shugokis hug when I had revenge which was weird but I guess
@@wesleygaray2666 yeah that can be interrupted
The tag system is laughably easy to exploit in all honesty
questiln to shogu players. if you embrace someone. do you want people to hit the enmy while you carry him with fhe strongest attack or leave the opponent to you. question goes to cent, hulda aswell
Wait for the shugo to get health back, then hit with a top heavy.
Same with cent and jorm, wait for them to get the punish and then throw your attack once you see they applied the damage and the other person is still locked in the pinned down animation.
Idk, I've been tagged plenty of times by 3 characters and no revenge but as soon as I help a team mate with 1 hit they get it straight away and he has full health still so no tags hmm interesting though
I still don’t understand when I’m fighting a 1v1 a teammate comes along hits him once and then goes away and the enemy gets revenge :///