It's all fun and games until the rep 70 kensei only does top heavies and dodge attacks. I guess if you don't think about what you're doing you can't be read
It's very, VERY difficult to not subconsciously form a pattern and be truly random. But I do agree that trying to mindgame someone who's playing mindlessly is impossible. If you truly want to be unpredictable, have a list of mixup options and have someone roll a die or something to randomly determine them and tell you the result. An absolute 200 IQ play in order to play like you have an amount of brain cells equal to the number that comes after four.
Just as an honorable mention: you kind of covered it, but I think I would say putting a rep or two into characters helps you deal with their offence. Making that character your main for a while has some pretty solid advantages. You learn their moveset, and what moves they want to be doing as well as get to see how people try and counter it. You don't necessarily have to go chat on forums about it, you can play - let's just say goki - and watch how people react to your attacks and mixup. If something is hard for you to deal with (in goki's case, a fast bash) then you can usually assume others also have a hard time, which can be applied to your offence against said character.
"Up until the certain skill level, you can just press the light attack repeatedly. Then, all of the sudden, you face the players that shut you down completely, meaning, you need to change your whole approach to the game." - although said with different intention, this pretty much sums up the whole problem players keep arguing about since the CCU. Think about it. You cannot properly play and enjoy this game if you don't have high enough skill to block. Before CCU, this wasn't a big problem since most players were able to do it without excessive training. 10-15 reps and you're good to go, now start to learn other aspects of the game if you want to become a Decent player. But now you have to put a lot of work to just get pass the bare minimum. Lets say you know about frame adv and can use it effectively. That means that unless the opponent have any form of dodge attack (or full-block), you can continuously attack and kill any player with little to no effort until they are skilled enough to block (or even better, parry) lights. Basically, this means that before you'll be able to play and enjoy the actual read-based game, both you and your opponent must first train hard enough to get a good Reaction. If you don't have it, you'll be beaten as soon as enemy applies lightspam, which feels unfair and frustrating. If your opponents don't have it, you'll be able to beat anyone as soon as you apply lightspam, which feels unfair and boring. Overall, I'm trying to say that currently, the game is Reaction-based first and Read-based second, now even more than before, that is why people complain and that is why so many people stopped playing.
I thought the whole point of it was to make lights not a free parry, they are supposed to be unreactable or at least very hardly reactable. You don’t need to necessarily react to them, you can also guess the direction they are coming from, dodge on prediction of light to avoid them, if one gets through you can dodge if you think another light is coming. Lights are now viable openers and not a free parry, although they will be punished if used too much, this makes turtling unconvenient and brings the game towards a more offensive direction, which is good. Yeah getting hit by lights is frustrating, especially with how much Ubi is sparing on the animations of new heroes, and I can’t parry or block them as much as I did before. However, this makes the game more healthy and it’s almost impossible that it will always be your opponent’s turn to attack, therefore allowing you to use your own offense, if you try to turtle you will be punished, that’s how that works. What I really think the game needs is to modernize its tutorials to reflect its actual condition and to inform and instruct the new players on all the tools and core mechanics they can use.
@@cormoranoimperatore8413 with certain characters (gryffin👀) they finish up their “turn” so you get frame advantage but then they just dodge heavy back into their combo every time you get the frame advantage. So a lot of times you wind up just standing there trying to bait them out while they lightspam and dodge spam you and it’s just a weird awkward guessing game that you wind up losing. I’m not a fan of that.
@@michaeldanchez9530 I agree that it's pretty boring that way, I hate waiting for heroes to dodge attack just so that I can parry to get a very low punish.
I would also advise that if you face an opponent you seemingly can’t get a read on, try to get yourself into the mindset that “There is a pattern this player has that I have not found yet” instead of “ This player is completely unpredictable and random”. The former mindset should give your mind a sense of ease knowing there is a solution to dealing with your opponent than the latter.
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Exactly. I have this pattern issue with Tiandi or BP but when I get forced to out think my current pattern I actually switch consistently and stomp out my enemy. But when I don't I suffer for it
@@littleman1330 Sure, maybe they will beat you up with it the first few times but , if they keep using the exact same mix-up every time, you will eventually realize what they are doing and counter them.
@@herpthederpandderptheherp633 I wrote that because his sentence sounded like a guy who gets beated by one combo over and over again. Anyways you then just change the mix-up a little and ez victory royale :D
The main problem I have with making reads is not actually making the read but being able to be successfully give myself a good outcome is the problem, I can predict what my enemy will do but am not able to execute a counter move
@@littleman1330 i think he meant when your gut tells you something but all visible information tells you another thing. When this happens you usually fuck up and get hit by whatever is thrown your way.
I sure do love the reaction based fighting game known as for honor **gets parried by a dopamine kid** "wtf turtel meta!!1!" You know you'd be complaining either way,spam or turtle meta.
@@hessy4766 I play on console. I still make reads. Its no different than it was before except I've probably gotten better at making reads now. Don't get me wrong, it has some fundamental problems and sometimes some options don't beat out light spam. But tbh the game is still mostly the same as it was
Reads are guesswork, but its educated guesswork. Informed by your own experience playing as or against the opponents hero, as well as your opponents behavior. It can be based of off the most common actions from the wider community as well, something nearly everyone does amd not just the single opponent you are facing.
@@thelouster5815 everythijg infortunately haa an element of guessing, theres never goinf to be a game which doesnt have the word guess in it. You just gotta inprove the educated guessing from works 20% of the time to works 80% of the time. Analysing what mix up most wardens do allows this, and being sble k react to More things like the white flash on a red indicator, rules off more things you have to guess with. Best syep forward is guessing less (learning what they do n predicting more/ reacting better where you csn like the white flash of a parry indicator) and doing less guesses, dont guess as many times do like 2 guesses for that round then focus on mix ups n then come bqck to it again or smth like that
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I recommend everyone to try out Highlander. He has very delicate moveset where you are not giving your opponent much time to think...I myself have over 40 reps on him. It was a little bit hard from the beggining but I was determined, played some heavy metal music and just slapped some people with a Claymore.
@@littlevenom7194 There are scenarios where it may prove useful but in most scenarios you should go instead of a light - light into light - heavy for the damage.
@@littlevenom7194 And if I like it? Well it's fifty fifty. I like him being faster, but many Highlanders are fricking lightspamming me soo that's annoying. If I wanted to light spam with Highlander I would do two lights, hold heavy which puts me in offensive stance and while holding heavy button I would lighted once, emoted to cover my guard swap and light him from the other side. If he dodges...I simply kick him or I would release the heavy button for quite a bit of damage...but that is just a theory a game theory...
I'm current on your videos but came back to this one today because it was about reads -- and this is not simply because of the focus on writing in my channel; it more because you've got a great technically clear approach to communicating your points -- so my question is basically are you actually a reader (of books)? And if so, do you have recommendations? Also, if you happen to write, don't hesitate to drop something creative on my channel. I've supported you from the start for all you've done for our community, Freeze and thank you again!
Opera GX is great! I've been using it for about a year? The limiter features are awesome and the upcoming games page is great for staying in the know about upcoming titles, sales and free games! I didn't need to make a read on that one, it's just good.
Absolutely stunning video man I never comment on videos or anything but the way you broke everything down it was really easy to follow along and provide insight great work!
With pk its amazing how many full zones you can land just because people will read for a dagger cancel/hard faint, i've landed 3 full zones on the same kensai
In order to read nother player you need to assume he knows what he's doing and not smashing random buttons, or as i call it, the gaming style of 90% of FH players.
Well random button smashing is probably a great deal more reactable and less effective, and it's not always about an attack just being too fast to react to, reading animations already exist making many attacks "semi-reactable". It's more than just guesswork.
Alright I'm not gonna lie I was one of those people who never took these videos seriously because I play on Xbox one and you know the whole lights are near undetectable on console argument and you can't parry them and you know I let that justify why I will never get better at this game and intern never tried to get better I thought this video couldn't help console players like me and I kinda just left it at that but after spending about a month just getting beat and losing a lot of my matches I finally took the advice you gave in the videos and honestly they really did help a lot I've had more fun in this game this month than the last few and gotten better at it I've parrying lights, countering mix ups and crushing counters some lights with warden and just better at adapting at the game its self and my opponents now I'm not saying I'm great at the game or anything I still can't parry every light from neutral and I still make some mistakes and I'd put my self at about average at best in terms of skill but your videos really did help me get better and I wanted to say thanks for taking the time to make these videos to help players who have trouble in the game like me get better at it.
B- but frieza Reading IS guessing right? Now because of the ccu I cannot get my orochi defect montage 😡 this dead game is making me actually have to predict and work for my defects And yes what about my 47th chromosome?
One of the best ways to get said knowledge is to play with every hero even if it’s just training and tactics. If your having a hard time, play the character a little bit to know how they are supposed to play and get to know their move set.
I’ve found my self saying my opponents moves outloud to myself as they do them when I’m playing alone. It makes me pay more attention to them and recognize the patterns
I've been playing this game for a long time now and the CCU really threw me for a loop. I'm one of those stubborn people I suppose that's been keeping trying to react, and it's a bit upsetting not doing as well as I used to, but really - this video was a BIG help. Thanks Freeze.
I used to have this down to a ridiculous degree. I could see a character and instantly know every single option they use. I never did more than parry on red if I knew a light was coming and countered mixups as hard as possible. I could even somewhat read bash patters. Any time I started a match I'd usually parry their first move then I'd just read every option after that. I did it to just about every single player I faced and I was doing it on console too before the CCU. But then i started factory work and I was too dead to play video games in general for over a month. I only kept a semblance of natural ability in smash. Still trying to get that sharpened game sense back in For Honor.
Honestly I had a similar thing, I couldn't consistently react to 500ms bashes but I could consistently parry lights going off animation. I was one of many people who thrived on the defensive meta and although the game got a lot harder, it was for the best and it feels waaaay better to play in a more offensive meta. I think some ppl just started struggling and blamed the ccu rather than adapting.
@@wizardswine indeed. I think the game is doing great tho. The community just has issues with a lot of changes because they force the player to think more than react.
Godamn freeze, you are a blessing for this game and community. Can't thank you enough for taking the time to put out such a video. I play this game on a daily basis, still i watch every video you put out and try to be a better player. Keep doing god's work!
Ok so what can I do to stop myself from just absolutely smashing rb when I’m intending to hit em with one light cause that’s my issue and that messes with feinting
well, force yourself to only press buttons once. Go into a match and set your goal to not press buttons multiple times. Over time you will learn the correct timing when to input certain things. It might cost you some matches in the beginning, but who cares about that. It's about getting better and once you have those moments of "yeah I did that properly", you'll hopefully also have more fun. Good luck man!
In the lower Ranks it was really funny to play JJ, first your enemy doesn't want to parry, so you spam unblockables and the second time you meet them, they want to parry you but you just faint and use the op parry conter
Hey i just wanna say thank you because ive been an ignorant console pleb who didnt wanna learn but these are helping a lot and im over rep 100. thank you
one of the biggest reads I inadvertently give people is my use is Centurion's charge heavy. i played ranked a fair bit (mostly for rewards) and everytime it's just a free parry for them. bad habits die hard
I'll never forget the day I was in a brawl with my friend, and it was 2-2 and he died and I was one hit away from death, and the JJ and the raider decided they were gonna do real 2v2 last minute for the win and I end up killing the raider and the JJ did his dodge attack and my galaxy brain parried the light attack switch and fuckin blasted him. It was so satisfying. It was on console, too, so it was 100% a perfect read
Best read and the most powerful by far is the "Oh I know these A-Holes, they're tryhards, let's just pull out." Obviously the best read you can ever make!
Here at 0:26 You'd be surprised at how active the dark souls pvp community still is, especially around the third title! I personally came from the ds3 pvp community, not that anyone cares, just thought I'd give a little fun fact
Its not, I play on console and can confirm its not because if you use this method it works on either platform. Stop assuming all console players think its impossible.
The read based gameplay makes it much more satisfying, as you said. Nothing feels better than conditioning your opponent to a particular option and then mixing it up and watching them crumble.
Hmmmm I wonder which direction this orochi will throw is unreactable light or unreactable dash heavy (console player, wouldn't have complained before the CCU)
1. Orochi's dash heavy isn't even unreactable. 2. The direction people throw their attacks is almost always patterned, especially lights because they have less time to consciously choose. 3. Even if you make a wrong read for light direction, you have a 1 in 3 chance of parrying by pure chance. All light parry punishes in the game do more than the damage of 2 Orochi lights so you'll come out ahead even if you parry randomly as long as all they're doing is light spamming. The fact you're complaining about Orochi of all characters proves you need to think about this more.
My main problem is not knowing if their going to let it fly or feint it to gb. So when i think their gonna let it fly, i either dodge attack or parry it but that ends up being a gb. And when i think their gonna feint it to gb, they let it fly.
Usually my approach to making reads is not nearly as sophisticated or perhaps soundproof as yours. My approach usually involves observing what moves my opponent favors, then adjusting accordingly. I am aware that if they decide to change tactics, I'm kinda screwed. But, the instances where they don't adapt, I outplay them completely.
I'm struggling when people get into their offence. You talking about using a heavy feint to gauge their defensive preference, what would you recommend doing to understand their offensive play style? Should I just block and dodge when I have to... or is it better to go for a counter attack to start off, and adapt if I'm unsuccessful?
Im not gonna lie i recently got back into the game and was wondering why i wasnt able to react to "light spam" with parries etc now i like the turn of things, i just think a few more hero adjustments are needed to make the game feel like whatever you pick is viable as long as youre skilled
This argument is why I think so many people think Nuxia is bad. she is a hero based COMPLETELY on reads, but it wasn't as much of a topic back when she was released, so people automatically assumed she is bad. Imagine my surprise when I tried her out and just started bodying people. so I guess in summary, whiny players who think its all guessing need to learn the damn game.
@@jevontewashington7409 1. she throws out light attacks, conditioning you to block them, allowing her to get you with her traps. 2. If she thinks you are going to try and parry her lights, she commits the heavies, same if you move your guard trying to avoid the traps. 3. If she thinks you are going to dodge out of range of the heavies and traps, she can cancel heavy into guardbreak. 4. If she thinks you are going to roll away, she can catch you with her leaping attack. she is NOTHING but reads! That's why she can be completely shut down by players who know what she can do and make the appropriate predictions while she stomps the lower levels.
@@sawkman2092 umm people get hit with traps because of the fear of moving their guard to a different side and getting hit with a raw heavy not because you are throwing lights with nuxia and literally you just said throughout that entire comment that if you THINK someone is going to do something you do this instead that’s not reading your opponents at all lol reading your opponent would be like if you throw 2 raw heavies with nuxia and your opponent blocks them then you throw a trap as your third heavy because he just blocked 2 raw heavies in a row and yeah I agree she actually is really good character tho
@@jevontewashington7409 The reason you would think someone is going to do something is because you make a prediction based on their behaviour/patterns, ie a READ. when people fight Nuxia, they usually don't let her move through her chain, they try to attack through her traps, dodge out of range or guardbreak her because they think she is going to do a trap, that's a read. Only new players or those out of stam try to block only.
@@sawkman2092 well since a prediction is literally the same thing as a guess if you are predicting that someone will do something you are guessing lol and many people try to attack you before her trap or heavy lands because they are trying to interrupt the combo so they don’t have to deal with guessing whether or not it’s a trap, y’all be confusing reading with guessing sometimes, a correct guess is different from reading your opponent
A friend of mine complained about Gladiator's skewer. I said that Gladiator's skewer should have Hyper Armor to prevent lights completely shutting down the mixup. They complained about how "Op" the skewer is. Remarking "It's just like Shugoki's hug." "Yes, it is. Except Shugoki's hug is easily countered. You know this same problem is with ANY character with an unblockable, right?" "Bruh you're small brain Shugoki is OP."
I just wish there was a way for me to easily grasp how to read and use everything at my disposal to it's fullest potential in For Honour. I'm autistic, and I can understand things and how to do them way better than everyone else as a result of it, but that's only once it sort of _clicks_ with me, like something puts it into perspective and it all makes sense. I've been trying for ages to adapt to this new style of For Honour because I love the game and it was so much fun, but I just haven't been able to make any sense of it and no matter how many videos I watch on it, I just can't understand it. I'd prefer For Honour if it was partly read based and partly reaction based.
Freeze I love your vids dude and love the logic you bring to a lot of your vids but I have a question I play on console and I understand the CCU was made to improve the game but in fighting games or in fighting in general isn’t being able to react to whatever happens in tht quick second a part of fighting I feel FH has stepped away from that just my opinion I think making reads is just a guess and if you guess wrong you get punished for it
Here’s a tip, if you can’t read their mind read their pattern, and find his comfort. I do a thing I call point prediction, instead of predicting and entire combo I predict the first move, say a War momma likes light, light, bash. Most likely I will get hit by the first light and that’s okay as long as I get the second.
i used to play tekken and was in the mid to high ranks. i quit after that cause there is no way i had the time and energy to battle the folks up there. what i took with me are setting up baits and using the arena as your advantage. for honor especially gives you alot of arenas to fight on that can give you the edge over the other. and btw you just know how people play with certain chracters. fun story: i fought someone who was a complete newbeginner. he outclassed me easily cause i disnt know if he was serious about his playstyle or just joking around. he beat me almost each time. side light into side light with bp. who does that. lol
Every Warden I've fought plays the same in my experience makes learning them much easier but when I came across some oen who doesn't consistently go for shoulder bashes it throws me through a loop
I had reads before the update... now I can’t do it at all... I wanted to watch to see if this could help me, after 2 months of trying this, it still doesn’t feel satisfying or fun. I’m much more of a guy who plays on reaction rather than relying on prediction so now the game constantly feels against me. At least before the update I could still do both with some balance. Not now? No...
My issue with all of this is, I can't think fast enough to make critical decisions such as the raider ledge scenario, and I can't learn fast enough to notice patterns unless they're a literal potato, on top of the fact that I forget faster than I learn so for me, reads are always a guess.
Id like to think im a decent reader but unfortunately due to the CCU on PS4... Im scared to even attempt punishment parries anymore. Like before the CCU i just found the confidence to parry lights now I cant parry anything because its too fast lol.
Reads with some heroes that work everytime: Zanhu: Light-->Light-->Light-->Light-->Light-->Heavy->Heavy->Light Raider: Heavy-Light->Heavy-Light->Heavy-Light->Heavy Warden, Cent, Warmonger: Dogde->GB-->Light combo-->GB-->Light combo-->GB-Hard Feint->GB->Side Heavy Nuxia (near a wall): Light-->Light-->Light-->Light-->Light-->Heavy-wall splat->Heavy Warlord: Light-->Light-->Ligh-->Heavy-hard feint->forward dodge->GB-->Light-->Light-->Light--Heavy Hitokiri: Light-->GB-hard feint->GB-->Heavy-->GB-->heavy-->GB--Heavy--GB-hard feint->GB--Heavy Jiang Jun: Light-->Heavy-hard feint->Light-->Heavy-hard feint-->Light-->Si fu-->Zone-->Heavy-har feint->GB-->Light-->Si Fu-->Heavy-->Heavy Shugoki: fuck all there are also some cool combos with much but I dont know cuz I don't play with him
If you guys think reads dont exist its simply not true. If I say kensei many of you immediately expect side dodging. Or always blocking top when you are distant from a warden. These are very simple examples of how we all use reads. The key to getting better is learning how to utilize them
I think because I haven't played the game a lot ever since the combat update, I'm just so used to reacting to everything instead. I feel like I'm playing the game Day 1 again at times when I'm fighting people...
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Lol freeze i would just bash forward option select covers everything unless they predict it.
Also can you predict light attacks from neutral?
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Just option select everything then
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but why not? random is unpredictable and unpredictable is hard to read.
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It's all fun and games until the rep 70 kensei only does top heavies and dodge attacks.
I guess if you don't think about what you're doing you can't be read
It's very, VERY difficult to not subconsciously form a pattern and be truly random. But I do agree that trying to mindgame someone who's playing mindlessly is impossible.
If you truly want to be unpredictable, have a list of mixup options and have someone roll a die or something to randomly determine them and tell you the result. An absolute 200 IQ play in order to play like you have an amount of brain cells equal to the number that comes after four.
If he's only doing dodge attacks just counter it, they're pretty easy to parry, crushing counter or deflect.
@@jamie-cx5vr yeah it's just boring AF
Sometimes you have to be so predictable that no-one can predict it.
@@serthiag7373 Raider counters Kensei :)
"just feint a heavy"
conqueror mains: D:
I felt this....
yeah man, sure sucks that there is absolutely 0 method or means of feinting any attack with conquer
You can feint a heavy into full block.
@@saltyfart2173 C
The ability to hard feint to neutral would be great but to compensate his zone needs a nerf imo it should drain more stamina to zone with conq
Just as an honorable mention: you kind of covered it, but I think I would say putting a rep or two into characters helps you deal with their offence. Making that character your main for a while has some pretty solid advantages. You learn their moveset, and what moves they want to be doing as well as get to see how people try and counter it. You don't necessarily have to go chat on forums about it, you can play - let's just say goki - and watch how people react to your attacks and mixup. If something is hard for you to deal with (in goki's case, a fast bash) then you can usually assume others also have a hard time, which can be applied to your offence against said character.
Sorry for text wall, just wanted to say it's healthy to try other characters, especially if one character is giving you trouble over and over.
wait. goki? fast bash?
@@actuallydaneel i think he means the head butt after the light
@@actuallydaneel He means fast bashes used against Goki. They interrupt most of his armor & he doesn't have a dodge attack to counter them, like Zerk
@@actuallydaneel he means bashes against shugoki. an example would be conqueror, that matchup is hell for him.
"Up until the certain skill level, you can just press the light attack repeatedly. Then, all of the sudden, you face the players that shut you down completely, meaning, you need to change your whole approach to the game." - although said with different intention, this pretty much sums up the whole problem players keep arguing about since the CCU.
Think about it. You cannot properly play and enjoy this game if you don't have high enough skill to block. Before CCU, this wasn't a big problem since most players were able to do it without excessive training. 10-15 reps and you're good to go, now start to learn other aspects of the game if you want to become a Decent player. But now you have to put a lot of work to just get pass the bare minimum.
Lets say you know about frame adv and can use it effectively. That means that unless the opponent have any form of dodge attack (or full-block), you can continuously attack and kill any player with little to no effort until they are skilled enough to block (or even better, parry) lights.
Basically, this means that before you'll be able to play and enjoy the actual read-based game, both you and your opponent must first train hard enough to get a good Reaction. If you don't have it, you'll be beaten as soon as enemy applies lightspam, which feels unfair and frustrating. If your opponents don't have it, you'll be able to beat anyone as soon as you apply lightspam, which feels unfair and boring.
Overall, I'm trying to say that currently, the game is Reaction-based first and Read-based second, now even more than before, that is why people complain and that is why so many people stopped playing.
Well of course :D I used to be able to parry Shaman's light after heavy or zone and now I can't even block normal lights ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I thought the whole point of it was to make lights not a free parry, they are supposed to be unreactable or at least very hardly reactable. You don’t need to necessarily react to them, you can also guess the direction they are coming from, dodge on prediction of light to avoid them, if one gets through you can dodge if you think another light is coming. Lights are now viable openers and not a free parry, although they will be punished if used too much, this makes turtling unconvenient and brings the game towards a more offensive direction, which is good. Yeah getting hit by lights is frustrating, especially with how much Ubi is sparing on the animations of new heroes, and I can’t parry or block them as much as I did before. However, this makes the game more healthy and it’s almost impossible that it will always be your opponent’s turn to attack, therefore allowing you to use your own offense, if you try to turtle you will be punished, that’s how that works. What I really think the game needs is to modernize its tutorials to reflect its actual condition and to inform and instruct the new players on all the tools and core mechanics they can use.
@@cormoranoimperatore8413 with certain characters (gryffin👀) they finish up their “turn” so you get frame advantage but then they just dodge heavy back into their combo every time you get the frame advantage. So a lot of times you wind up just standing there trying to bait them out while they lightspam and dodge spam you and it’s just a weird awkward guessing game that you wind up losing. I’m not a fan of that.
@@michaeldanchez9530 I agree that it's pretty boring that way, I hate waiting for heroes to dodge attack just so that I can parry to get a very low punish.
I would also advise that if you face an opponent you seemingly can’t get a read on, try to get yourself into the mindset that “There is a pattern this player has that I have not found yet” instead of “ This player is completely unpredictable and random”.
The former mindset should give your mind a sense of ease knowing there is a solution to dealing with your opponent than the latter.
*Cant hear you over my 3 tabbed anime battle songs and my strategy of wildly slapping with lights*
-A console Orochi/Kensei
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if you want dark mode on like every site, I strongly recommend the browser extension " *Dark reader* " , it does a pretty good job, and if you have issues on specific pages, it allows you to easily set the current site as an exception to it.
Dark reader is laggy sometimes
I have opera GX and i can also set websites to an exception.
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Even harder than making reads is getting out of attack patterns that make you easy to read
Exactly. I have this pattern issue with Tiandi or BP but when I get forced to out think my current pattern I actually switch consistently and stomp out my enemy. But when I don't I suffer for it
@@drownsinkoolaid4203 Well if they can beat you up with them then it doesn't defeat the purpose ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯
- he parried my 3 lights in a row, but will he expect.... *another light?*
@@littleman1330 Sure, maybe they will beat you up with it the first few times but , if they keep using the exact same mix-up every time, you will eventually realize what they are doing and counter them.
@@herpthederpandderptheherp633 I wrote that because his sentence sounded like a guy who gets beated by one combo over and over again. Anyways you then just change the mix-up a little and ez victory royale :D
The main problem I have with making reads is not actually making the read but being able to be successfully give myself a good outcome is the problem, I can predict what my enemy will do but am not able to execute a counter move
uh huh... like you can do perfect reads all the time but can't counter them? I'm confused ◑﹏◐
@@littleman1330 i think he meant when your gut tells you something but all visible information tells you another thing. When this happens you usually fuck up and get hit by whatever is thrown your way.
@@supereffective8292 nope, never happened to me. I always listen to my gut because visual stuff is broken in this game :D
@@littleman1330 i usually do that too, but sometimes i fail miserably and wonder why the hell i ignored what i was seeing lol
@@supereffective8292 no worries, I'll teach ya how to ledge if you want. No need for gut if they are dead 5Head :D
Honestly the change from prediction to read just made the game a chore to play, I still enjoy it don't get me wrong,
Do appreciate your content
i play for honor every other day for a couple hours, the game is just not fun to play unless you like a challenge. even then, its not that great lol
I sure do love the reaction based fighting game known as for honor
**gets parried by a dopamine kid**
"wtf turtel meta!!1!"
You know you'd be complaining either way,spam or turtle meta.
@@jeanvaljean6433 not if you play on console
@@hessy4766 I play on console. I still make reads. Its no different than it was before except I've probably gotten better at making reads now. Don't get me wrong, it has some fundamental problems and sometimes some options don't beat out light spam. But tbh the game is still mostly the same as it was
How the hell do you transition from prediction to read
"you don't just randomly press buttons."
50% of the playerbase: "You underestimate my power!"
Reads are guesswork, but its educated guesswork. Informed by your own experience playing as or against the opponents hero, as well as your opponents behavior. It can be based of off the most common actions from the wider community as well, something nearly everyone does amd not just the single opponent you are facing.
The fact the word “guess” is involved is the real problem though.
@@thelouster5815 everythijg infortunately haa an element of guessing, theres never goinf to be a game which doesnt have the word guess in it. You just gotta inprove the educated guessing from works 20% of the time to works 80% of the time. Analysing what mix up most wardens do allows this, and being sble k react to More things like the white flash on a red indicator, rules off more things you have to guess with. Best syep forward is guessing less (learning what they do n predicting more/ reacting better where you csn like the white flash of a parry indicator) and doing less guesses, dont guess as many times do like 2 guesses for that round then focus on mix ups n then come bqck to it again or smth like that
@@thelouster5815 coming from a mk comp player, guessing is all fighting games
That Jiang Jun at the end was nice
downloaded. thank you for the great content as always. I am actually really happy with this ad considering its actually very useful. I love opera before but it just got better with this update. I hope opera keeps sponsoring you because this is actually useful and good.
That month or 2.....before the CCU came out......that was the best For Honor has ever been.
05:47 that mocking line killed me. xDDD
it did, thank you Freeze. Now I just gotta get my brain working together with my gut feeling. They're often in disagreement
I recommend everyone to try out Highlander. He has very delicate moveset where you are not giving your opponent much time to think...I myself have over 40 reps on him. It was a little bit hard from the beggining but I was determined, played some heavy metal music and just slapped some people with a Claymore.
How you liking his buff. Personally not a big fan but it certainly benefits his play style
@@littlevenom7194 There are scenarios where it may prove useful but in most scenarios you should go instead of a light - light into light - heavy for the damage.
@@littlevenom7194 And if I like it? Well it's fifty fifty. I like him being faster, but many Highlanders are fricking lightspamming me soo that's annoying. If I wanted to light spam with Highlander I would do two lights, hold heavy which puts me in offensive stance and while holding heavy button I would lighted once, emoted to cover my guard swap and light him from the other side. If he dodges...I simply kick him or I would release the heavy button for quite a bit of damage...but that is just a theory a game theory...
HL sucks, I hate Highlanders :D :D
Ironically, I'm in the middle of language arts right now
Games like dark souls
I still remember your ds3 guides
I'm current on your videos but came back to this one today because it was about reads -- and this is not simply because of the focus on writing in my channel; it more because you've got a great technically clear approach to communicating your points -- so my question is basically are you actually a reader (of books)? And if so, do you have recommendations? Also, if you happen to write, don't hesitate to drop something creative on my channel. I've supported you from the start for all you've done for our community, Freeze and thank you again!
Opera GX is great! I've been using it for about a year? The limiter features are awesome and the upcoming games page is great for staying in the know about upcoming titles, sales and free games! I didn't need to make a read on that one, it's just good.
Absolutely stunning video man I never comment on videos or anything but the way you broke everything down it was really easy to follow along and provide insight great work!
Thank you for the nice comment 🤗
With pk its amazing how many full zones you can land just because people will read for a dagger cancel/hard faint, i've landed 3 full zones on the same kensai
In order to read nother player you need to assume he knows what he's doing and not smashing random buttons, or as i call it, the gaming style of 90% of FH players.
If your opponent is shugoki (aka smash buttons to win), you can easily read 100% of them
Alt+F4 and you won👌🏻
Well random button smashing is probably a great deal more reactable and less effective, and it's not always about an attack just being too fast to react to, reading animations already exist making many attacks "semi-reactable". It's more than just guesswork.
Alright I'm not gonna lie I was one of those people who never took these videos seriously because I play on Xbox one and you know the whole lights are near undetectable on console argument and you can't parry them and you know I let that justify why I will never get better at this game and intern never tried to get better I thought this video couldn't help console players like me and I kinda just left it at that but after spending about a month just getting beat and losing a lot of my matches I finally took the advice you gave in the videos and honestly they really did help a lot I've had more fun in this game this month than the last few and gotten better at it I've parrying lights, countering mix ups and crushing counters some lights with warden and just better at adapting at the game its self and my opponents now I'm not saying I'm great at the game or anything I still can't parry every light from neutral and I still make some mistakes and I'd put my self at about average at best in terms of skill but your videos really did help me get better and I wanted to say thanks for taking the time to make these videos to help players who have trouble in the game like me get better at it.
Honestly, ever since I embraced the idea of making reads I’ve gotten more light parries than I ever did before the CCU
git gud scrub
B- but frieza
Reading IS guessing right? Now because of the ccu I cannot get my orochi defect montage 😡 this dead game is making me actually have to predict and work for my defects
And yes what about my 47th chromosome?
One of the best ways to get said knowledge is to play with every hero even if it’s just training and tactics. If your having a hard time, play the character a little bit to know how they are supposed to play and get to know their move set.
I’ve found my self saying my opponents moves outloud to myself as they do them when I’m playing alone. It makes me pay more attention to them and recognize the patterns
Smart man
How many times have you said nature's wrath?
I've been playing this game for a long time now and the CCU really threw me for a loop. I'm one of those stubborn people I suppose that's been keeping trying to react, and it's a bit upsetting not doing as well as I used to, but really - this video was a BIG help. Thanks Freeze.
I used to have this down to a ridiculous degree. I could see a character and instantly know every single option they use. I never did more than parry on red if I knew a light was coming and countered mixups as hard as possible. I could even somewhat read bash patters. Any time I started a match I'd usually parry their first move then I'd just read every option after that. I did it to just about every single player I faced and I was doing it on console too before the CCU. But then i started factory work and I was too dead to play video games in general for over a month. I only kept a semblance of natural ability in smash. Still trying to get that sharpened game sense back in For Honor.
Honestly I had a similar thing, I couldn't consistently react to 500ms bashes but I could consistently parry lights going off animation. I was one of many people who thrived on the defensive meta and although the game got a lot harder, it was for the best and it feels waaaay better to play in a more offensive meta.
I think some ppl just started struggling and blamed the ccu rather than adapting.
@@wizardswine indeed. I think the game is doing great tho. The community just has issues with a lot of changes because they force the player to think more than react.
Godamn freeze, you are a blessing for this game and community. Can't thank you enough for taking the time to put out such a video. I play this game on a daily basis, still i watch every video you put out and try to be a better player. Keep doing god's work!
Ok so what can I do to stop myself from just absolutely smashing rb when I’m intending to hit em with one light cause that’s my issue and that messes with feinting
well, force yourself to only press buttons once.
Go into a match and set your goal to not press buttons multiple times.
Over time you will learn the correct timing when to input certain things. It might cost you some matches in the beginning, but who cares about that. It's about getting better and once you have those moments of "yeah I did that properly", you'll hopefully also have more fun.
Good luck man!
In the lower Ranks it was really funny to play JJ, first your enemy doesn't want to parry, so you spam unblockables and the second time you meet them, they want to parry you but you just faint and use the op parry conter
OBVIOUSLY the best/most clear title would be something like "For Honor: How to make better reads" or "How to get better at making reads"
Just react bro
I wish
I like Starbucks
Hey i just wanna say thank you because ive been an ignorant console pleb who didnt wanna learn but these are helping a lot and im over rep 100. thank you
rep doesn't mean anything!! :D
You've sold me on that Ad. First one in my 29yrs o life that i actually have an interest in. Your a fuckin wizard Freezey!
I wish for a sequel title so they can build a read based game as opposed to lazily tacking it on to a reaction based ome
one of the biggest reads I inadvertently give people is my use is Centurion's charge heavy. i played ranked a fair bit (mostly for rewards) and everytime it's just a free parry for them. bad habits die hard
I'm at that point in learning where reads are rare but there's always that rep 70 hero who just seems to know everything
ledge has no rep! :D
I'll never forget the day I was in a brawl with my friend, and it was 2-2 and he died and I was one hit away from death, and the JJ and the raider decided they were gonna do real 2v2 last minute for the win and I end up killing the raider and the JJ did his dodge attack and my galaxy brain parried the light attack switch and fuckin blasted him. It was so satisfying. It was on console, too, so it was 100% a perfect read
What made you want to go for a light parry and not the heavy?
@@jevontewashington7409 pure prediction, he hasn't done it all game, I figured he would switch it up at a moment like that
Okay, I normally never get interested in video sponsors, but this one looks really good - I'm going to try it lol
My favorite is people always go for the parry on unblockables and I mean always.
Welcome to low levels :D
Best read and the most powerful by far is the "Oh I know these A-Holes, they're tryhards, let's just pull out." Obviously the best read you can ever make!
I would check out that Reddit post, but it wants me to download the app and won't let me browse the page.
Here at 0:26
You'd be surprised at how active the dark souls pvp community still is, especially around the third title!
I personally came from the ds3 pvp community, not that anyone cares, just thought I'd give a little fun fact
Yeah I had a player say I was light spamming cause he never fainted and his lights were easy to read so I just crushing countered him to death.
Welcome to low levels :D
Holy shit this sponsor was actually pretty fucking cool lmao nice find man
I like freeze he has very helpful and insightful knowledge and content but he need to try console before saying light spam is not a problem
Are you implying all console people think light spam is a problem
Its not, I play on console and can confirm its not because if you use this method it works on either platform. Stop assuming all console players think its impossible.
The read based gameplay makes it much more satisfying, as you said. Nothing feels better than conditioning your opponent to a particular option and then mixing it up and watching them crumble.
Big brain plays
I like to do one and the same thing :)
Hmmmm I wonder which direction this orochi will throw is unreactable light or unreactable dash heavy (console player, wouldn't have complained before the CCU)
1. Orochi's dash heavy isn't even unreactable.
2. The direction people throw their attacks is almost always patterned, especially lights because they have less time to consciously choose.
3. Even if you make a wrong read for light direction, you have a 1 in 3 chance of parrying by pure chance. All light parry punishes in the game do more than the damage of 2 Orochi lights so you'll come out ahead even if you parry randomly as long as all they're doing is light spamming.
The fact you're complaining about Orochi of all characters proves you need to think about this more.
My main problem is not knowing if their going to let it fly or feint it to gb. So when i think their gonna let it fly, i either dodge attack or parry it but that ends up being a gb. And when i think their gonna feint it to gb, they let it fly.
Usually my approach to making reads is not nearly as sophisticated or perhaps soundproof as yours. My approach usually involves observing what moves my opponent favors, then adjusting accordingly. I am aware that if they decide to change tactics, I'm kinda screwed. But, the instances where they don't adapt, I outplay them completely.
I'm struggling when people get into their offence. You talking about using a heavy feint to gauge their defensive preference, what would you recommend doing to understand their offensive play style? Should I just block and dodge when I have to... or is it better to go for a counter attack to start off, and adapt if I'm unsuccessful?
Just play normally and notice what the opponents does :/
Im not gonna lie
i recently got back into the game and was wondering why i wasnt able to react to "light spam" with parries etc now i like the turn of things, i just think a few more hero adjustments are needed to make the game feel like whatever you pick is viable as long as youre skilled
as someone who plays normal fighting games too , this is pretty cool!
This argument is why I think so many people think Nuxia is bad. she is a hero based COMPLETELY on reads, but it wasn't as much of a topic back when she was released, so people automatically assumed she is bad. Imagine my surprise when I tried her out and just started bodying people. so I guess in summary, whiny players who think its all guessing need to learn the damn game.
How is nuxia all about reads lol when you play against her you kinda are guessing
@@jevontewashington7409 1. she throws out light attacks, conditioning you to block them, allowing her to get you with her traps.
2. If she thinks you are going to try and parry her lights, she commits the heavies, same if you move your guard trying to avoid the traps. 3. If she thinks you are going to dodge out of range of the heavies and traps, she can cancel heavy into guardbreak. 4. If she thinks you are going to roll away, she can catch you with her leaping attack. she is NOTHING but reads! That's why she can be completely shut down by players who know what she can do and make the appropriate predictions while she stomps the lower levels.
@@sawkman2092 umm people get hit with traps because of the fear of moving their guard to a different side and getting hit with a raw heavy not because you are throwing lights with nuxia and literally you just said throughout that entire comment that if you THINK someone is going to do something you do this instead that’s not reading your opponents at all lol reading your opponent would be like if you throw 2 raw heavies with nuxia and your opponent blocks them then you throw a trap as your third heavy because he just blocked 2 raw heavies in a row and yeah I agree she actually is really good character tho
@@jevontewashington7409 The reason you would think someone is going to do something is because you make a prediction based on their behaviour/patterns, ie a READ. when people fight Nuxia, they usually don't let her move through her chain, they try to attack through her traps, dodge out of range or guardbreak her because they think she is going to do a trap, that's a read. Only new players or those out of stam try to block only.
@@sawkman2092 well since a prediction is literally the same thing as a guess if you are predicting that someone will do something you are guessing lol and many people try to attack you before her trap or heavy lands because they are trying to interrupt the combo so they don’t have to deal with guessing whether or not it’s a trap, y’all be confusing reading with guessing sometimes, a correct guess is different from reading your opponent
About the browser you advertised...
Does it still support flash?
finally you posted something that doesn't teach players to be BM in ganks but instead something that teaches players to be good at the game
A friend of mine complained about Gladiator's skewer. I said that Gladiator's skewer should have Hyper Armor to prevent lights completely shutting down the mixup.
They complained about how "Op" the skewer is. Remarking "It's just like Shugoki's hug."
"Yes, it is. Except Shugoki's hug is easily countered. You know this same problem is with ANY character with an unblockable, right?"
"Bruh you're small brain Shugoki is OP."
I just wish there was a way for me to easily grasp how to read and use everything at my disposal to it's fullest potential in For Honour. I'm autistic, and I can understand things and how to do them way better than everyone else as a result of it, but that's only once it sort of _clicks_ with me, like something puts it into perspective and it all makes sense. I've been trying for ages to adapt to this new style of For Honour because I love the game and it was so much fun, but I just haven't been able to make any sense of it and no matter how many videos I watch on it, I just can't understand it.
I'd prefer For Honour if it was partly read based and partly reaction based.
The browser looks too good to not have a catch
Freeze I love your vids dude and love the logic you bring to a lot of your vids but I have a question I play on console and I understand the CCU was made to improve the game but in fighting games or in fighting in general isn’t being able to react to whatever happens in tht quick second a part of fighting I feel FH has stepped away from that just my opinion I think making reads is just a guess and if you guess wrong you get punished for it
FGs are all highly unreactable.
FH was the outlier.
Here’s a tip, if you can’t read their mind read their pattern, and find his comfort. I do a thing I call point prediction, instead of predicting and entire combo I predict the first move, say a War momma likes light, light, bash. Most likely I will get hit by the first light and that’s okay as long as I get the second.
Mindblown : She goes light heavy 😂
@@littleman1330 then block.
@@captin-crane3324 blocking boring, parrying for the win 😂
Sounds like pure guesswork but with extra steps
I mean it's basic observe and infer
i used to play tekken and was in the mid to high ranks. i quit after that cause there is no way i had the time and energy to battle the folks up there. what i took with me are setting up baits and using the arena as your advantage. for honor especially gives you alot of arenas to fight on that can give you the edge over the other. and btw you just know how people play with certain chracters.
fun story: i fought someone who was a complete newbeginner. he outclassed me easily cause i disnt know if he was serious about his playstyle or just joking around. he beat me almost each time. side light into side light with bp. who does that. lol
for Honor won't die as long as the number of players is the same as in current indie games😂
Thanks for the good Video freeze
Can we talk about how freeze has uploaded a shit ton over the past few days?
first sponsor I ever interact with and I really enjoy doing so ! :)
Every Warden I've fought plays the same in my experience makes learning them much easier but when I came across some oen who doesn't consistently go for shoulder bashes it throws me through a loop
Wardens can go for the shoulder bash every time, all the time :D :D
I had reads before the update... now I can’t do it at all... I wanted to watch to see if this could help me, after 2 months of trying this, it still doesn’t feel satisfying or fun. I’m much more of a guy who plays on reaction rather than relying on prediction so now the game constantly feels against me. At least before the update I could still do both with some balance. Not now? No...
Still fighting the good fight of trying to make a large portion of the community activate their brain I see.
Rotating between mix ups and parrying and distancing, try it
That browser actually looks pretty good
My issue with all of this is, I can't think fast enough to make critical decisions such as the raider ledge scenario, and I can't learn fast enough to notice patterns unless they're a literal potato, on top of the fact that I forget faster than I learn so for me, reads are always a guess.
I actually fought you, I was Devin, holy damn man, I knew my gut was telling the truth. Had fun mate, hope Ill catch ya again !
Id like to think im a decent reader but unfortunately due to the CCU on PS4... Im scared to even attempt punishment parries anymore. Like before the CCU i just found the confidence to parry lights now I cant parry anything because its too fast lol.
Reads with some heroes that work everytime:
Zanhu: Light-->Light-->Light-->Light-->Light-->Heavy->Heavy->Light
Raider: Heavy-Light->Heavy-Light->Heavy-Light->Heavy
Warden, Cent, Warmonger: Dogde->GB-->Light combo-->GB-->Light combo-->GB-Hard Feint->GB->Side Heavy
Nuxia (near a wall): Light-->Light-->Light-->Light-->Light-->Heavy-wall splat->Heavy
Warlord: Light-->Light-->Ligh-->Heavy-hard feint->forward dodge->GB-->Light-->Light-->Light--Heavy
Hitokiri: Light-->GB-hard feint->GB-->Heavy-->GB-->heavy-->GB--Heavy--GB-hard feint->GB--Heavy
Jiang Jun: Light-->Heavy-hard feint->Light-->Heavy-hard feint-->Light-->Si fu-->Zone-->Heavy-har feint->GB-->Light-->Si Fu-->Heavy-->Heavy
Shugoki: fuck all
there are also some cool combos with much but I dont know cuz I don't play with him
Wtf does this mean?
Luka Tosic damn i expressed myself that badly? Lol
With Raider I would say it's more of light-heavy into 4 ways or light-zone into 4 ways :D and with Shugoki it's just light-heavy into 3 ways :D
Zhanhu's orange light is pretty useless on PC
"picture the following scenario"
literally show scenario on screen
It's like being greeted by Santa
If you guys think reads dont exist its simply not true.
If I say kensei many of you immediately expect side dodging.
Or always blocking top when you are distant from a warden.
These are very simple examples of how we all use reads.
The key to getting better is learning how to utilize them
I think because I haven't played the game a lot ever since the combat update, I'm just so used to reacting to everything instead. I feel like I'm playing the game Day 1 again at times when I'm fighting people...
2:50 took me out😂 I needed a laugh like that
I tried watching your videos and I played a lot but ended up quiting when I only got plat 3
Amazing video.
Omg its so helpful, thank you!
im supper new to the game and i keep gtting light spam idk how to get out of it its like im stuned and cant do nothion
Check this video here. th-cam.com/video/1hJZ4vsPKSg/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=UbisoftGameplan
Marco did a great job summarizing it!
Get gud.
But really just practice knowing the match ups
I try to guess how people play based on the character, rep, and fashion of the person.
"you dont just randomly press buttons" yeah one could say that..
but then you see some apes spamming one unreactable light after another
Some day i light parry left and right but most days I suck
For Honor Should've Relied On Reacting Compared To Reading, Change My Mind.
Why would I attack you, if I knew you could react?
great video, love the thumbnail