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@@OfficialMediaKnights the dead marshs I would claim 📔 📚, since no one, not even tbe dark creatures like goblins,orcs not even the nazgul would want to be there.. "than i would enchant 12 miles of in a circle." That I can have peace and quiet 🤫
Don't worry guys, Hobbit's 3 movies are actually decent, and theres still the bullshit 'rings of power' newish tv show to emerse you in the tolkein world, although its nowhere near as good, it still gives u the LOTR feel a bit.
in The Fellowship of the Ring, at the beginning when Frodo was riding with Gandalf and they're talking, when Gandalf said, "If you're referring to the dragon, I was barely involved..." Gandalf was referring to this story.
“Barely involved” Arranged the meeting between Bilbo and the Dwarves Rescued them from the Trolls Took them to Rivendell to read the map Rescued them from Goblin Town Summoned the Eagles led them to Beorn THEN a long absence Before participating in the final battle Yea, “Barely Involved”, alright.
I don't care what some critics say, I enjoy the Hobbit films. Are they as epic or deep as LOTR? Nope. But they are still a lot of fun. Was Legolas in the book? Nope. But it makes sense he was there somewhere, being that it was his father's kingdom. I could go on, but my point is while I understand the criticism, I don't let it get in the way of my enjoyment.
I agree with you! And the more I watched them the more I grew to appreciate them. Also Tolkien died before he could tie a lot of characters / events together. Some things we never saw or read that Christopher added & built on. The Hobbit was an oral bedtime story he told his children so even though the publisher didn’t put it in the final book doesn’t mean they didn’t exist. Azog for example wasn’t part of the story but gave the orcs personality, goals, motives adding him in as Thorin’s rival. So purists should really take the time to think about it. As a writer I have hundreds of pages of notes, background info that didn’t make the edit and plan to put in a different book or appendix. We just don’t know.
@@Taewills Exactly, fellow author! One must recall that ALL of the History of Middle-earth, Morgoth's Ring, and the rest of the published writings, were the rough drafts and the deleted scenes that did not make it into the final draft. Chris Tolkien dumped it onto a starving fanbase, and to this day fans take sides and die on hills they shouldn't.
@@seregrian5675 right? There’s so much language about butchering the published material when - 1. It doesn’t have to be identical to be deemed a great adaptation. 2. The public doesn’t know what they think they know. And 3. Sometimes the source material can be improved upon, honestly. There can be dull or bland portions of a book I adore that get changed on-screen for the better.
@@OfficialMediaKnights I mean for all the criticism the Hobbit trilogy got (and I agree with most of it), it is worth watching solely for Martin Freeman's portrayal of young Bilbo. He was an absolute gem in this.
@@phj223 totally agree with this comment! also, i think if you're able to watch "the Hobbit" movies in isolation from the previous movies and try not to worry to much about the source material, you can enjoy them for what they are! it's a tall order but it's doable.
Iam Holm (RIP) wanted to try and reprise his role as a younger Bilbo, but his health prevented him from doing so. You're right, though; Freeman did do a bang-up job with this.
"I didn't know Bilbo interacted with Gollum" If you remember in the Fellowship of the Ring, Frodo says to Gandalf "it's a pity Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance", to which Gandalf replies "Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's blade. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many." In other words: Bilbo did meet Gollum, but also, Bilbo choosing to not kill Gollum is in large part the reason why Middle Earth was saved in the end ^^; Butterfly effect and all that
"I didn't know Bilbo interacted with Gollum" I think she meant it more as, she didn't know they had an actual conversation together, because she mentions later that line from Gandalf about pity staying Bilbo's hand.
Yeah, most casual fans do not realize that this instance is one of the most impressive showings of what the butterfly effect is in any literature. Bilbo not killing Gollum is the most important part of the Hobbit+LOTR story line. With Gollum dead, Sauron would likely never know where the Ring is, and the story of LOTR would never happen + without Gollum, Frodo and Sam wound never, ever come to Mordor, and if by some miracle they do, Frodo would never toss the Ring into Mount Doom, as he basically never did, Gollum got the Ring from Frodo and fell into the fire with it.
@@zigazdovc6175 It's also worth noting that on a more personal stake, Bilbo probably saved himself without ever realizing it. Had he started his ownership of the Ring with murder, it's very unlikely he'd ever come back, or resist as well as he did to the Ring's corruption. Instead, the first thing he did with the Ring in his possession was to show mercy.
I love Martin Freeman in this, his dialogues, performance, line delivery, FACIAL EXPRESSIONS AND BODY LANGUAGE. He definitely carries this movie on his back.
my understanding is that (yes, while he made it as a bedtime story for his kids) it was originally started based one of his student's paper that started out "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort." Also, while it was published in '37, it was started in 1930. just saying.
@@torontomame Someone else also said it was Tolkien's own creation. I read it differently in one of his books. I think it was in a preface from Tolkien's son. I'm going back 50 years ago, and while my memory can be spotty at times nowadays, I don't make things up. I trust you believe your story as much as I believe mine.
I think that's why I dont really mind the more cartoonish tone of the hobbit films. While it's not a childlike story it is written to be more child friendly, and we see that in the way it's structured with much smaller bite sized encounters that can easily fit into 10-20 mins of bed time reading. I think people came into this series wanting LOTR 2, but the Hobbit is not LOTR. It's set in the same world and there might be common themes and story ties but ultimately It's very different in terms of tone and structure.
If it was just one movie a lot of stuff would have been missed out. I think two movies would have been fine. Cut out all the extra fluff the mocies threw in.
Something you may have missed in The Fellowship of the Ring: Extended Edition) is that just after Frodo was stabbed in the shoulder on Weathertop and Aragorn is trying to treat the poison from the Morgul blade, they're actually next to the stone trolls that were still there after so many years. Sam even says "Look Mr. Frodo, it's Mr. Bilbo's trolls!"
@@davidareeves That was all Tolkien, there are parts that the directors changed, but this part, with Frodo poisoned next to Bilbo's trolls, did in fact happen in the book.
I've been to Hobbiton in New Zealand and got to do Bilbo's "I'm goin on an Adventure" line while running through the same path. Awesome time. We then had an actual feast at the Green Dragon Inn there as part of our tour. Absolutely recommend if anyone can get down there.
A lot of people were really angry about how The Hobbit was stretched into a trilogy. But what Peter Jackson did was delve DEEP into the Appendices for Lord of the Rings and tie together a whole HEAPING spoonful of lore that doesn't get talked about. The Battle of Azanulbizar was one of the most tragic battles in Dwarven history and it's not in the main book. Thorin didn't just lose his Grandfather there he lost his little brother too... who Fili is the spitting image of. Radagast, The White Council, the importance of Erebor and Smaug, Gandalf's whole storyline isn't in the book of the Hobbit. It's in the Appendices of The Return of the King. That's because The Hobbit is written purely from Bilbo's point of view in a fairytale format. If Bilbo didn't see it or hear about it... it didn't get written.
no the third movie was a studio demand after they already half finished the second movie. there is even behind the secenes footage where the actors are even confused of how many movies they are making.
@@Weaslgas Exactly. The plan was 2 parts but the studio chose to make it 3. It was already expanded with the lore of other books because the Hobbit isn't a big book but then the studio demanded it be ballooned into 3. There are added things I do like but there are things added that are too much that don't add anything to the story. Peter was right to only plan for 2 parts, part 3 is just the studio getting greedy.
He may have delved deep, but there was no need to add invented material to a story already convoluted. Changing Thrain's timeline, adding Azog instead of Bolg, that love story between one of the dwarves and an elf, the whole concept of stone giants...
I love watching your comments because you notice everything. Camera angles, score, make-up artist work, costumes and so on. I like that you make connections to Lord of the Rings, recognize things and see a story. And I promise you, the other two Hobbit parts are epic. Especially in the extended version.
You have to understand that Smaug is literally the LEAST of dragons. Compared to the largest of all he is the size of an ant. Ancalagon the Black was so massive that when he was finally defeated during the War of Wrath in the First Age and his corpse cast upon the three volcanic peaks of Thangorodrim (that Morgoth had built his fortress of Angband underneath), he crushed them utterly. The Elves were POWERFUL back in the day. Dragons also seek out/build treasure hoards because gold is a soft metal, but to a dragon's scales, it's _just_ the right softness to make a bed out of. It also attracts the occasional adventurer snack too :P Goblins are a degenerate form of Orc, mutated and devolved by their time spent wholly underground.
@@l0sts0ul89From the Silmarillion: "Eärendil came, shining with white flame, and about Vingilótë were gathered all the great birds of heaven and Thorondor was their captain, and there was battle in the air all the day and through a dark night of doubt. Before the rising of the sun Eärendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest of the dragon-host ..." Eärendil already had the Silmaril set upon his brow, blazing with the light of the stars before the First Age began, which has a _significant_ effect on the servants of Morgoth, at the least weakening the great fire-drake. Thorondor was there also, the greatest servant of Manwë who was King of the Valar, and his eagles would have been able to inflict severe harm upon the dragon (recall the Battle of Yavin 4 from Star Wars, sure the Death Star was powerful, but a swarm of smaller ships took it down). Elvish weapons were also quite powerful (Glamdring and Orcrist, the two swords Gandalf finds in the Hobbit, were forged in Gondolin approximately 7000 years prior and showed no sign of age or wear), and so Eärendil would have been able to inflict some serious wounds with his blade. He was also likely empowered by the Valar, as it was his courage in sailing to Aman to plead for their aid against their former brother that inspired them to gather their host and join the battle.
@@ordinary6Thank you, that means a lot :) It's not just LOTR, it's many scifi and fantasy realms. I'm a tremendous lore nerd, I eat it up, primarily because our own world's history is so drab and boring.
They WERE the trolls Bilbo told the story of. And then you see them later after Frodo gets stabbed by the Nazgûl and they stop to rest. Sam says “look Mr. Frodo, it’s Mr. Bilbo’s Trolls!”.
I am glad you guys are not taking what others have said about the hobbit to form your opinion. The hobbit is honestly really good, and it may not be as good as lord of the rings, but what is? it is a very good trilogy and I love it so much!
One of the things with the Hobbit, and probably the main issue, is that it was originally supposed to be directed by someone else and Peter Jackson only came in at the last minute, he was sick at the time, and he only had one month to prepare. They ended up doing a rewrite of the original script and they couldn't spend as much time before shooting as they did with LotR. In LotR they spend many many months creating props and even planting the crops you see in the Shire, waiting for them to grow, etc. In the Hobbit, they had to lean heavily on CGI in no small part because of this. Had New Line Cinema not tried to keep some of the money they owed Peter Jackson for LotR leading him to have to sue them, and he was part of the project from the start, the movies would have been much much better. Even he wishes that it had been different, but all he had to decide was what to do with the time that was given him.
It was Guillermo del Torro who was supposed to direct the Hobbit Movies. I think he's still listed in the credits because he did stay on to help out with some of it. At least that's what I heard.
@@Starr1Bryte Del Toro is credited as a Co-screenwriter because he originally worked on the scripts with Jackson, Walsh and Boyens while being set as the director and some of his ideas survived after he left the project, even though the scripts were heavily re-written by Jackson & Co., when Jackson came on board as director and during filming. As far as I remember they also wanted to honor him with a credit line because he did so much work (1,5 years of pre-production). It's really a shame. When Jackson came on board and started everything from scratch the studios only gave him 4 months of pre-production because they had already invested a lot of money and therefore wanted to start filming fast. But this really was to the detriment of these films.
Genuinely Peter Jackson did such a good job landing this crashing plane, even if it was In the middle of the ocean. One of the few people who came be trusted to polish a turd well. Love these films. I look forward to their reaction to the battle of the five armies extended cut.
One of my favorite scenes in the Lord of the Rings books is at the council of Elrond. It's not in the movies, but when it's decided that the ring had to be taken to Mordor, Bilbo was the first one to volunteer. "I know what you're thinking, Bilbo started this mess, so he might as well finish it." I think that was the line. Boromir chuckled when he saw his small size, but then he saw Gandalf, Elrond, Gloin, and others look at him seriously, because they knew what he had done before, and that he really meant it.
So, Balin is the dwarf whose tomb it was they found in Moria in Fellowship of the Ring. Not a spoiler since he was named in LotR. There are more but I don’t want to spoil anything for the next two movies.
I'll be honest the gollum scene is absolutely freaking amazing and is by far the best portrayed moment from the hobbit book too. They took a lot of liberties with this trilogy, at not following the book, however not on this scene. Chapter was called Riddles in the dark and I have no words at how much perfection they hit with it for the cinema screen. Mindblowing, speechless ! A real treat like you guys said! Hail Andy Serkis the real goat!
@17:16 this scene was invented for the movie and serves as the "nudge" Gandalf mentions to Frodo during their first scene in The Fellowship of the Ring. "If you're referring to the business with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." In the book, The Hobbit, Gandalf literally did nudge Bilbo out the door to catch up with the dwarves. When they were busy adapting the book into screenplay form, they decided to have Gandalf give Bilbo a metaphorical nudge instead so that Bilbo then makes up his own mind to go after the dwarves the next morning. A stronger character moment for him.
The first one its almost perfect for me, second and third one could have been done a lot better, but still kinda "ok" (how they changed the ending was not needed and cant take it tho).
@@ReqwulfI prefer the ending of the movies. Had they just stuck with the book ending it would’ve been so bland. PJ, Spielberg and Cameron are known for their action/thrilling sequences- it would’ve been a shame not to have an epic battle/ death or Thorin, Fili and Kili
Have to disagree. Jackson admitted he was disappointed with what he created but had no choice once he took over the project with less than a year before the first film was to be released. It is a bloated mess without any feeling of actual jeopardy. Dwarves dropping 50 feet plus from collapsing bridges yet unharmed may work in a whimsical film more suited for kids but you just can't go from that to darker serious themes where people do die and expect to hold an audience. When are characters at risk? Answer - when it is needed to stir the audience and not because it was part of the characters arc.
I forgot if it was mentioned in the first movie but Fili and Kili are Thorin's nephews. I remember watching it for the first time and being a little confused as to why Thorin was only calling out for Fili during the thunder giants fighting scene. Later realised Fili is his nephew and heir.
In the Fellowship of the Rings movie they stopped where the 3 trolls were turned to stone. I think it was Sam who said these must be Bilbos 3 Trolls. Actually, the Lord of the Rings made call backs to this timeframe. Since this occurred first. Gollum was not a Hobbit, but a River Folk, who are similar to the Hobbits.
I feel fortunate to have seen all six films in the theater on opening day, culminating with watching all three Hobbit films in a marathon at our local theater when the third film dropped. I'm so happy you both are enjoying these and I'm glad you're both now addicted to Middle-earth.
I was born barely a year after ROTK released, so I never saw the original trilogy in theaters, but I saw all 3 hobbit movies in theaters after reading the book as a lil kid and falling in love!
3:24 That is Legolas' father! 15:26 Balin, is Gimli's cousin! 46:01 That's a hard NO! At that moment, Saruman had nothing to do with Sauron! He followed him much later!
@@Jenna-nk7ml TRUE LOL. By the way im not saying this is the best Middle Earth movie. I'm just saying that if i have free time i would watch the movie more often than LOTR, because it is way more fun and entertaining.
@@igorpodemski9596 Ah, this makes more sense, i was a little confused at first 😂 My mom and I used to turn this one on when we just wanted to be in the shire/rivendell but didnt have the time to watch the full trilogy :P
One of the most BS of things about this series was that they'd signed Guillermo del Toro as the director, but the heads at New Line Cinema had changed and the new guy wanted Peter Jackson to do it and for it to be three films (Originally it was supposed to be just two) How they made Peter Jackson do it was because New Line was withholding most of his payments for LOTR and basically said "If you ever want to see that money and don't want to be tied up in legal issues for *decades* you're going to fire GDT and make these films. And of course instead of spending the time and budget needed to make these as tight and well made as LOTR, the set an incredibly short deadline so tons and tons of corners had ro be cut. TLDR: Bullshit Corporations choosing maximizing Profits over Making Art. A tale as old as time.
It's basically the opposite of what happened for the original trilogy. When they screened the rough draft for LOTR for the higher-ups, it was condensed to one movie, and one of the higher ups said, "Shouldn't something like this be 3 movies?" And then they started making the Hobbit (a one-book film), and one of the execs said "this HAS to be 3 movies."
Yep so much studio interference on the whole project that they made peter Jackson suffer from massive stress both mentally and physically ill and made him lose a bunch of weight I'm glad he got better afterwards
I still think he did a good job, especially with the first one. It's more over the top and unrealistic, but it's pretty much Bilbo's telling of the story. If Frodo wrote The Lord of the Rings (as we can see at the end of the movies), and Bilbo wrote There and Back Again - this tale - then I guess we can assume that Bilbo embellished his own story and isn't a very reliable narrator. That's how I take it. We àso got to see LOTS of content from the Appendices that would never have been adapted otherwise. That's something people shouldn't be complaining about, at the very least.
Loved these films, never understood why other LOTR fans hated on them and were vile to people who enjoyed them. The Hobbit films were never in competition with LOTR so it was so weird and pathetic of them to compare, also if you liked the hobbit films other LOTR fans assumed that meant you thought it was better than LOTR and would get defensive... 😂 The trilogies are like brothers, no need to compare just enjoy. Plus without The Hobbit story JR might not have gone on to write LOTR. I'm thankful for the films and liked that Peter expanded on the book, plus he was probably forced to anyway by the studios to get more money. 80% of LOTR fans really ruined the releases of these films and made sure to kill anyone's love of them. Proud fan of both ✌️
If I don't like something I avoid it but the dedication certain lotr fans have to go on every reaction video and drop the same criticism to ruin the reactor's experience is nuts and so sad. Like they're terrified a few people might also enjoy the hobbit. When these films came out I'm surprised they didn't go protesting outside cinemas they were so pathetic, IT'S THE SAME UNIVERSE THEY'RE A PAIR NOT IN COMPETITION. It's the same as saying a sibling copied the other just by being born, so stupid.
While I agree with the bulk of what you've said, it was the director's choice to make the hobbit into three movies, he added scenes only to make it more drawn out, and thus ruined what might have been better (?), if he had left it as the original. Did they cut out a whole lot out of lord of the rings, heck yeah, and I did not quibble over that, because you can understand why. However, did the director need to dump a ton of new scenes and story lines and stuff to make the hobbit? I cant answer that. Resentment occurred for this movie, WHILE it was being made (!) because it was released that the director was bulling his way into making the hobbit into three movies, and adding new material never in the original source. I imagine these fans arent LotR fans, they are fans of the original source material.
It's simple, the first film is the least offensive of the 3 films but the problems comes that it never needed to be 3 films and the problems become more apparent as the next two films release. The Hobbit's original story was always a much simpler fun tale that the '77 film actually carries out much better. The Hobbit trilogy actively tries to force a connection to the LOTR when it never needed it, and ends up making up portions to the story that ends up being worse for it. Lackluster forced love story and a forgettable 2ndary antagonist included. The Hobbit films are not outright terrible like say the Star Wars prequel or sequel trilogies, as it still carries the original Hobbit storyline. However a lot of the great parts just ends up getting bogged down while watching the the later films by all the unnecessary additions. There even exists a Hobbit edit that cuts out the unnecessary portions and shortens the movie quite a bit. Vitriol on the otherhand is just fanbases in general, you'll get those people in any IP. Just ignore the ones that actively are being rude to you about it.
I loved every minute of the extended hobbit trilogy, scenes were added that was not in the source material but it was still a well told and engaging story in my opinion and thats what matters most. Hell if Peter Jackson decided one day to make a new trilogy set in the LOTR universe i would be down for it so long as it made sense within the established universe.
Hints and suspicion are high that Sauron is trying to return and Gandalf is afraid that Erebor and the dragon could fall to him. On the other hand, taking back Erebor would be a strategic move to control the upper parts of the woods and the mountain crossing to the west.. ❤ I love that you guys are still diving into this, I’m here for the adventure!🎉
Sarumon and Gandalf have a long-standing rivalry between each other going back to when they were "angels." "God" asked for volunteers to go down to Middle Earth to help, and Sarumon volunteered immediately, wanting to go out and prove himself. Gandalf (whose real name is Olórin) did not volunteer and did not want to go. "God" then told Gandalf that he had to go, essentially hand-picking him for the mission. Sarumon has always resented Gandalf because of this event. Basically, Sarumon wants to be the best, but Gandalf is always a reminder that "God" wanted Gandalf.
16:24 Gandalf has a history with Baggins and Took family. He chose Bilbo for a reason. 32:16 Thats the story that Bilbo was telling at the beginning of the LOTR.
One of the interesting schools of thought about both the book but in particular the movie The Hobbit is that The Hobbit is more of a traditional fairy tale that is literally being told to us by Bilbo. We as the audience/reader are the same as the hobbit children in The Fellowship of the Ring when Bilbo is telling them about his adventurer at his birthday party. So things like trolls talking and being concerned about how to prepare food properly is a projection by Bilbo, an addition to the story by him, to make the story more fantastic. Hobbits talk and care about food preparation. Trolls do not. Even their clothing is like a hobbit's, not what every other troll we see or hear about in the other tales from Middle Earth wears. Same thing for the battle with the goblins being so over the top and defying physics by falling that distance and not being significantly harmed. We are watching/hearing Bilbo's story, we are not watching or hearing a "historical account" of events like we did in The Lord of the Rings trilogy. For me, even the higher use of CGI in this movie falls in line with this idea. It's more fantastic and less realistic than practical effects would be, but again that fits with the notion that it is a fairy tale being told to us, and elaborated on/added to, by Bilbo as he is telling it to us. Sort of like a fish story where the size of the fish caught gets bigger and bigger each time you tell the story.
well, as far as your, very fair, criticisms go, a lot of it is just how different in tone The Hobbit and LOTR is. The Hobbit is a bedtime story for children. LOTR is an epic adventure. Even Tolkien tried to "rewrite" the Hobbit in the same tone as LOTR and gave up in frustration. His son recalls hearing a loud crash in his fathers office and when he checked on his dad, Tolkien had thrown his papers and book against the wall in frustration. SO imo Jackson is to be commended for doing such a great job translating the Hobbit story into a very similar tone to LOTR. Jacksons solution to changing the tone of the Hobbit story to a more "epic" style is to include a lot of what is going on in the background of the world as a whole. In the Hobbit things are very loosely alluded to as a vague hint of something going on, mainly to help Bilbo (and the audience) understand that the world is much bigger than their experience. In this trilogy, we get to see what is going on in the world rather than it just being alluded to. Jackson did an amazing job staying true to the actual timeline of Middle Earth. Small tweaks and changes were made but only where needed to fill in the blanks and details or to make it more "movie friendly". Like when he sped up the time between Gandalf and Frodo learning what the ring really was and when Frodo leaves the shire (in the book it was like 30 years or so between the Party and Frodo leaving the Shire). The lack of practical effects was most likely budget and time constraints. You will likely see people talk about Sir Ian McKellen breaking down on set and actually crying in frustration because he was acting in a green room, talking to tennis balls and thats not why he got into acting. A very sad thing and understandable. What most people forget to mention, or are just unaware, after that Jackson worked with McKellan and the rest of the crew to change their method of recording so that he could act and interact with actual people and Sir Ian McKellen was very happy with how things worked out. Also to cut modern recording a tiny amount of slack, Sir Ian is a classically trained actor from a different era. The man is an amazing human being and a wonderful person I am sure but we all can get a bit frustrated with changing times. Not to say he was in the wrong or anything but just remember that its not as simple as "CGI bad, practical good". So as for the lack of villain action... This is based on a relatively short book and is split into an epic trilogy. Some people complain about that but IMO its amazing to get to see the opposite side of things. Getting to learn and know characters a lot better because there is so much extra time to fill! Usually movies have to cut stuff out to fit into their timeframe but in this case we get way more character building and time to spend with these characters. The villain of the original book is Smaug. He's an evil dragon they have to go kill and thats about it. In making this an epic trilogy... Jackson had to get creative with villains and did so amazingly. In the next films. So any addressing the lack of clear villain and villains screentime would be spoilers. Also, I think the white council showed why, Gandalf thinks at least, there is a larger threat than Smaug going on. And maybe rewatch that intro with Smaug taking down two kingdoms in an afternoon to understand why a dragon is a pretty big threat that should be dealt with. lol Though I do understand what you guys meant. There is a lack of urgency or at least it feels that way. Overall I am so happy when people watch and enjoy the Hobbit! Especially when they have an open mind to it. It really gets a lot of undeserved negativity and I think it is amazing and I think you are right that its kinda the little brother to a much bigger more successful movie and so gets unfairly compared.
Very well said! In a way comparing these films to LotR is setting them up for failure...they aren't the same level of iconic-epic-legend, but they are a rollicking good time and I have fun any time I watch them :D
This trilogy is good, but a lot of stuff should have been cut out, but Hollywood being what it is wanted a trilogy, meaning more 🤑, but this was supposed to be an adventure, Tolkein wrote for his son when he was a child. And those trolls you saw those in LOTR when the group and Aragorn was resting after Frodo got stabbed and was passing into the shadow realm, the troll statues are covered in green shrubs. The Necromancer goes by another name too, I'll leave it you guys to guys who it is. And you guys have never heard the metaphor you tell your children? "Oh thats not a thunderstorm, that's just stone giants fighting?" Sir, Christopher Lee was very sick by the time this trilogy came out, so much so that his doctor said he cannot fly, and so Peter Jackson filmed that round table meeting with Hugo, Sir Christopher, Cate Blanchett, Sir Ian in a set with green screen in England. And I can't wait for the second one cause it's my favorite, and played by one of my favorite top 10 actors. With that being said it's still cool to see more of the world.
Holy crap, didn't know that!! Thanks for pointing these things out! We are so excited for the second one and to continue this journey, see where it takes us!
Sir Christopher Lee and Peter Jackson had a falling out when Return of The King came out because Jackson had to cut all of Sarumons parts out of the movie for the theatrical cut. Luckily, they both made ammends and ended things as friends before Lee died.
These are some of my favorite movies, I absolutely LOVE The Hobbit trilogy, easy to watch, nostalgic in many ways, the new characters we get to meet are amazing and their stories… amazing as well, and maybe some people dislike them, but I like to think I’m one of the few that really enjoys them, I hope you like them as well!
Great that you decided to carry on with Peter Jackson's Tolkien movies😊 Whatever other people may say, The Hobbit trilogy was brilliant and had a lot of memorable moments. Personally I was hoping for Hobbit adaptation from Peter Jackson right after the Return of the king came out. When it finally happened I wasn't disappointed and enjoyed the new trilogy. Hope you'll enjoy it as well
That's so awesome to hear, we love when people enjoy movies - that's what they're made for! We had such a great time with this one and cannot wait to continue our journey into Middle Earth! Thank you for your support!
Remember, Gandalf said the elven swords were made in city of Gondolin, by the Elves in the First Age. Elrond's father, Earendil, was one of the survivors who fled the fall of Gondolin when Morgoth (the first dark lord and master of Sauron) launched his attack on it. it stands to reason how he might recognize these blades. Also, by this point, Saruman is already searching for the One Ring. As the leader of the White Council (Elrond, Galadriel, Saruman & Gandalf), he deliberately prevents actions from being taken, so he can continue his search in secret. A little fun fact regarding the White Council, Galadriel originally recommended Gandalf to be the council's leader, but Gandalf passed on the offer, not wishing to set down roots in any one location. Instead, it's given to someone Galadriel doesn't trust - Saruman. By the way, if you're wondering who has the 3 Elven Rings, Galadriel has one. Elrond has another. They use their rings to protect their respective realms of Lorien and Rivendell. As for the third, Gandalf has it.
I wish one day they can make a movie out of the Siege of Gondolin that led to the fall of Gondolin...1st age elves are just badass, I really would like to see Glorfindel in action slaying Balrogs and even see Etchtelion killing three Balrogs and even killed the Lord of Balrogs ( Gothmog) , though the last one it costed his life.
@@rio20d Same, though I doubt the rights for the Fall of Gondolin or the Silmarillion will ever be given to a company that actually respects the lore. And I 100% don't want another Rings of Power incident. Keep the rights away from Amazon.
@@rio20d i believe Tolkien wrote later that his mindset regarding balrogs and the 1st age elves was very different from when he wrote lotr. Balrogs at Gondolin were not in his mind as singular and powerful as Durin's Bane. He just changed his thoughts on scale somewhat. Not entirely, of course, as I believe he was also the one who established that Galadriel is one of the most powerful beings alive in the 3rd age, at least as powerful as many of the other maiar.
Naysayers are a sad lot, full of dark counsel for all who are foolish enough to listen. I first read THE HOBBIT when I was 8 years old and I now find myself to be an old man. My many journeys into Middle-Earth has made me quite fond of the place, and I would share with you one thing that I have learned. Those who sit around a grand table and the feast spread out upon it will find some foods to their liking more so than others. Some will prefer mutton to beef, some will find the baked yams more tasty than the mashed potatoes. But this is the thing... when your table is Middle-Earth, everything is a delight, and any chance you have to sit at it is a blessing, indeed. In your feast, there are still two more courses ahead, and you will assuredly enjoy them both.
This movie has some fantastic cinematography! The teaser shots a Smaug in the intro is one of my favorites. The rune that Gandalf marks Bilbo's door with is the old Norse rune for "F", which was used for the God Frey. The God of, among other things, prosperity and good weather. Given the adventure upon which they are about to embark, is quite appropriate. The troll scene is indeed the story Bilbo was telling the young Hobbits at his party. Also, in the book, the Great Eagle Gandalf is riding is named Guaihir(sp?) Lord of the Eagles. Gandalf asks them if they might take them to their destination at Erabor, but he basically says he's not a horse to be ridden but will take him part of the way there. This is also the reason they never use the Eagles in the LOTR. I think most of the vitriol around this trilogy stems from the fact that it is one book stretched across three movies. They do change/add several characters, even some that are not present in the book. But that is more an issue with the production company pushing it on Peter Jackson. But it's still a great movie trilogy.
Ohhhh yes, the film just has a stunning look!! Knowing this is the first one, we did have a great time, but can also understand the frustrations of the fans who actually know the source material. It's always disheartening when a director, especially one like Jackson who has more than proven his aptitude toward the LOTR, doesn't get proper creative control. And it looks like the changes that were pushed onto him were not received all that well, it's just a shame... Thank you for sharing the rest btw, we so appreciate you taking the time to teach us some more about the lore!
Funfact: in the book the mark on the door is something different, not a g rune but actually a special 'thief's mark': "“Pardon me,” he said, “if I have overheard words that you were saying. I don’t pretend to understand what you are talking about, or your reference to burglars, but I think I am right in believing” (this is what he called being on his dignity) “that you think I am no good. I will show you. I have no signs on my door-it was painted a week ago-, and I am quite sure you have come to the wrong house. As soon as I saw your funny faces on the door-step, I had my doubts. But treat it as the right one. Tell me what you want done, and I will try it, if I have to walk from here to the East of East and fight the wild Were-worms in the Last Desert. I had a great-great-great-grand-uncle once, Bullroarer Took, and-” “Yes, yes, but that was long ago,” said Gloin. “I was talking about you. And I assure you there is a mark on this door-the usual one in the trade, or used to be. Burglar wants a good job, plenty of Excitement and reasonable Reward, that’s how it is usually read. You can say Expert Treasure-hunter instead of Burglar if you like. Some of them do. It’s all the same to us. Gandalf told us that there was a man of the sort in these parts looking for a Job at once, and that he had arranged for a meeting here this Wednesday tea-time.” “Of course there is a mark,” said Gandalf. “I put it there myself. For very good reasons. You asked me to find the fourteenth man for your expedition, and I chose Mr. Baggins. Just let any one say I chose the wrong man or the wrong house, and you can stop at thirteen and have all the bad luck you like, or go back to digging coal.” :) hehe Tolkien even made a drawing of the hobbit hole door with the symbol. The g rune is used as s sort of personal signature of Gandalf in Lotr so it's alright too: "This has been handled recently,' he said. 'What do you think of these marks?' On the flat under-side Frodo saw some scratches: G.III Runes. 'There seems to be a stroke, a dot, and three more strokes,' he said. 'The stroke on the left might be a G-rune with thin branches,' said Strider. 'It might be a sign left by Gandalf, though one cannot be sure. The scratches are fine, and they certainly look fresh. But the marks might mean something quite different, and have nothing to do with us. Rangers use runes, and they come here sometimes.'" As for the Eagles well they too have their limitations, they are giant talking Eagles but still can be hurt, shot down from the sky and all that (in the book it is said that Gandalf once rescued the king of Eagles healing his arrow wound). The Eagle Gwaihir is Gandalf's friend who helps him out during events of Lord of the Rings: 'And the Eagles of the Mountains went far and wide, and they saw many things: the gathering of wolves and the mustering of Orcs; and the Nine Riders going hither and thither in the lands; and they heard news of the escape of Gollum. And they sent a messenger to bring these tidings to me. 'So it was that when summer waned, there came a night of moon, and Gwaihir the Windlord, swiftest of the Great Eagles, came unlooked-for to Orthanc; and he found me standing on the pinnacle. Then I spoke to him and he bore me away, before Saruman was aware.' ... '"How far can you bear me?" I said to Gwaihir. '"Many leagues," said he, "but not to the ends of the earth. I was sent to bear tidings not burdens." '"Then I must have a steed on land," I said.... '"Then I will bear you to Edoras, where the Lord of Rohan sits in his halls," he said; "for that is not very far off." ... '"Are the Men of Rohan still to be trusted, do you think?" I said to Gwaihir, for the treason of Saruman had shaken my faith. '"They pay a tribute of horses," he answered, "and send many yearly to Mordor, or so it is said;1 but they are not yet under the yoke. But if Saruman has become evil, as you say, then their doom cannot be long delayed."' The Fellowship of the Ring, LoTR Book 2, Ch 2, The Council of Elrond In The Hobbit they rescue the company first out to stop the orcs and because they owe Gandalf: "The Lord of the Eagles would not take them anywhere near where men lived. “They would shoot at us with their great bows of yew,” he said, “for they would think we were after their sheep. And at other times they would be right. No! we are glad to cheat the goblins of their sport, and glad to repay our thanks to you, but we will not risk ourselves for dwarves in the southward plains.” “Very well,” said Gandalf. “Take us where and as far as you will! We are already deeply obliged to you. But in the meantime we are famished with hunger.” The Hobbit ... "“What is all this uproar in the forest tonight?” said the Lord of the Eagles. He was sitting, black in the moonlight, on the top of a lonely pinnacle of rock at the eastern edge of the mountains. “I hear wolves’ voices! Are the goblins at mischief in the woods?” He swept up into the air, and immediately two of his guards from the rocks at either hand leaped up to follow him. They circled up in the sky and looked down upon the ring of the Wargs, a tiny spot far far below. But eagles have keen eyes and can see small things at a great distance. The Lord of the Eagles of the Misty Mountains had eyes that could look at the sun unblinking, and could see a rabbit moving on the ground a mile below even in the moonlight. So though he could not see the people in the trees, he could make out the commotion among the wolves and see the tiny flashes of fire, and hear the howling and yelping come up faint from far beneath him. Also he could see the glint of the moon on goblin spears and helmets, as long lines of the wicked folk crept down the hillsides from their gate and wound into the wood. Eagles are not kindly birds. Some are cowardly and cruel. But the ancient race of the northern mountains were the greatest of all birds; they were proud and strong and noble-hearted. They did not love goblins, or fear them. When they took any notice of them at all (which was seldom, for they did not eat such creatures), they swooped on them and drove them shrieking back to their caves, and stopped whatever wickedness they were doing. The goblins hated the eagles and feared them, but could not reach their lofty seats, or drive them from the mountains. Tonight the Lord of the Eagles was filled with curiosity to know what was afoot; so he summoned many other eagles to him, and they flew away from the mountains, and slowly circling ever round and round they came down, down, down towards the ring of the wolves and the meeting-place of the goblins."
@fantasywind3923 I really need to read the books again! I do remember the bit from Aragorn on Weathertop, and Gandalf re-telling his story at the Council of Elrond. Thanks for the refresher!
@@Khadharphakyes lol!! And I think ppl who didn’t actually read the books don’t understand that the Eagles aren’t some tool for Gandalf to use whenever he wants. They’re intelligent and wise and ancient, very different from generalized animals. Especially since they can speak.
What most people don't know about Thorin, is that during the battle at Moria, not only did Thorin lose his grandfather and his father go missing, but his younger brother, Frerin, died that day too
Me and my son loved these hobbit movies and still watch them. My son is a lotr fanatic and even he thought maybe it's just the purists who say these movies were bad. They're fun movies, and you will enjoy them I guarantee, so ignore any grumpy comments about these movies and enjoy the ride🎉
It makes my heart smile to see you both loving Tolkien's stories! I read The Hobbit when I was in sixth grade, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and became completely hooked on Middle Earth and every book that followed❤ The movies are amazing and I could not be happier with the screen adaptations!
I dunno why people hate on the hobbit. Peter Jackson put his spin while keeping true, just like he did with LOTR. He was forced to change parts of the story but still followed it
It was a derivative cash grab, cynically spun out into three films. Dwarves who mostly didn't look like dwarves, who nobody could name. Legolas, looking noticeably older. Cheap-looking CGI. Alfred scenes. It's a long, long list. The Hobbit trilogy shat all over the legacy of the original trilogy.
1:13:20 , In this part they play the Nazgûl theme... Completely out of context.. To me, that is such a good example of how lazily and/or hastily these movies were put together... Such a shame
@@vercoda9997 the originally trilogy (P.Jackson) Shat all over those movies as well when you look at how much he changed. If you looked into how much the Tolkien estate was suing him for he wouldn’t have the money to make it. Plus when you look at how rushed the book is the movie would be incredibly fast paced. Azog is mentioned in the book so I thought it’s great to bring him in more
@@NastyCupid you’re complaining over theme music? 😂😂 Well let me explain that many have complained but it’s not the Revelation of the Ringwraiths. It’s very similar buts it’s not..Howard Shore is known for using the same theme music for movies and slightly tweaking them. If you watch all of the middle earth cinema a lot of the theme music is the same depending on the area. Think of the Eagles theme: used first in Fellowship when the moth first appears. Then it's used in Two Towers to signify the ents. Then in Return of the King, it's Rohan's war theme AND the eagles theme. Then in An Unexpected Journey it's the eagles again. Howard Shore does this and it's fine. I listen to the soundtracks a lot.
Something yall missed in reference to the fact Bilbo met Golem and retrieved the ring. Was the fact that in LOTR, Golem was captured and tortured by the orcs and screamed out, "Baggins, Shire!" He only could have said that by having ran into him and having shared that information at some point in the past.
I have watched that movie with Ukrainians from Mariupol and the line "But always he remembered the mountain smoke beneath the moon, the trees like torches blazing bright, for he had seen dragon fire in the sky and a city turned to ash. And he never forgave... and he never forgot." came up...and that was one of sadest experiences in my life watching their faces...I know this is a bit out of place, but I cant shake that every time I hear that again. Oh and btw the white haired dwarf..that is Balin..you have heard the name before..you have seen his tomb
Wow, thank you for sharing. It is truly heartbreaking to see people lose their homes. Homes that have been there for generations and would’ve been home to generations to come. Nobody should have to go through that but unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world. It’s bittersweet seeing some of these characters knowing where they’ll end up! That scene that followed though with the troll was spectacular!
@@OfficialMediaKnightsI apologize for bringing the mood down of course and that was not to meant as political statement by me just to clarify..my point is that sometimes movies mean even more to people than expected. You never know how close to home something hits (for me it is for example the start of "Up"), and this makes it even more massive to watch movies and appreciate the work that goes in even more
@@adamscott7354mate I watched "The Darkest Hour" in Kyiv..you cannot imagine the crowd reaction to the end speech of Churchill..that was the most insane stuff I have ever seen in a cinema
@@ravensdark99 You're goddamn right, also Tarantino had to point out how vs in US cinemas, the London UK premiere with actual Dunkirk vets including some of the boat captains, crews just lost it with tears during the "Home came for them" scene, about Darkest Hour, on a lighter note, on a comment of a YT vid of it, I fully replicated that opening parliamentary scene in text but with English phonetic sound emphasis to make it funnier lol
Just so you know the balin. The old white haired dwarf is the same one that the fellowship comes up on the grave of in moria. In fact like three or four the dwarves that were part of that company are the dwarves that are part of this group in these movies. Including the one that writes the book that gained out reads at the grave.
So glad y'all are watching the extended versions. It bugs me when reactors watch LoTR extended, but not The Hobbit. Love your reactions. Have Fun With the rest!!
In the Fellowship, Gandalf sits in front of the fire after Bilbo leaves the shire and when Frodo comes in he whispers "riddles in the dark". He's referring to Bilbo's game with Gollum
Honestly that's so hard to say, I feel like there is so manny perfect castings in lord of the rings, hard to choose 😅 bilbo us up there for sure tho, but for me I actually think gandalf is the best casting
Yet again one of my FAVORITE reactions of these movies on TH-cam! I really get the feeling that you both truly understand the world. You both get emotional and happy when the time is right. Thank you guys!
PepperJelly here! Thanks for the shout out. This is my comfort movie. I watch it weekly, at least. I'm so stoked my name is on my favorite movie. Made my day, so unbelievably, after a very intensely difficult week. Much love!
19:57 - Gandalf says "But home is now behind you, the world ahead" Remember the first line of Pippin's song in ROTK that he sings for Lord Denethor "Home is behind, the world ahead..."
I'm so glad you're watching the Hobbit movies, the extended versions no less. I'm looking forward to experiencing them with you guys. They may be lighter and less complex than the Lord Of The Rings movies, but they have a great story and humour. Very entertaining. You'll have tears in your eyes before the end, I promise you.
Anyone complaining how this one book is 3 movies will turn around and watch a tv series where each season is based off one book. Lol, people are silly. There’s enough in hobbit to be 3 movies or a season of a series. So I love that he spread it out so nothing was left out
I love watching your reactions to movies.....especially the Tolkein stories. The fact that you pick up on so many of the positive and compassionate gems the characters reveal is special. Thank you❤
Seeing the end where Smaug's eye opens what CRAZY in the theatre, gave me actual chills. Loved the reaction, and I'm a huge fan of both trilogies. Can't wait for more!
Ehh people don’t like the extra content that wasn’t in the book and all the CGI over practical effects. Which personally, I don’t mind, but I do get it. They’re okay, just not as memorable as LOTR. I think all six films are great in their own way.
It's mostly because of alot of the stuff that was added in with alot of it not really making sense at all along with the CGI. While I don't hate these films, I am also not the hugest fan either.
I think this Trilogy gets entirely too much hate. Sure, it may not be of the same level as _Lord of the Rings_ (although many individial Scenes certainly are IMO). But there is too much to like about these Films, be it the Cast, the Music, the Cinematography, Ambition, Scale, Production Design and the aforementioned *fantastic* Moments, for be to dismiss them. They may not archive perfection the way LotR did, but honestly, what does? _The Hobbit,_ for all its flaws, still stands above damn near everything else this Genre has to offer. And I'll always be thankful for the feelings the opening Scenes of _An Unexpected Journey_ gave me back in 2012: The New Line Cinema-Logo, accompanied by Howard Shore's familiar music, followed by the opening Scenes in the Shire and Bilbos' narration... it was like coming home.
When he said he got as far as Frogmorton once, I was curious so I looked it up just now. He walked 14 miles, so he would only have to walk approximately 946 more miles to get to his destination.
Yes, that is the story Bilbo was telling to the young hobbits. And in the extended edition of fellowships of the ring there is a scene when Frodo is stabbed in the shoulder by the Witch kings blade. You see the trolls in their statue state and Sam makes a reference about them being the trolls in Bilbos story while Frodo is struggling with being poisoned.
I read all these books for enjoyment and for literature classes. As a kid, I watched the animated features. Seeing you two delighted by the movies is soooo enjoyable. Your old Uncle Vinnie would share meal and pint of ale with you anytime.😊
When gandalf found the shire. It was during a terrible winter. A magical winter ( like how saruman made bad weather for the fellowship) . He found a little girl ( bilbos mother) belladonna. As a child saved her from wolves, and help the shire folk survive the winter with his fires . He visited regularly after that . . He is one of the few outsiders allowed in . At gandalfs request the rangers protect the shire . Stop anything evil or other men from entering. . There is a road that dwarfs and elves use but thats it . . Aragon granted the hobbits more land , and made it a law than no man, not even himself msy enter the shire. ( and he was invited) and he set up a trade relationship. Via sam .
what i love the most about the company of thorin oakenshield is just how much they all truly trust each other. all of the little flips and stuff they do off of each other that are just second nature, kili nocking an arrow at just a simple nod from thorin.. the sense of companionship is just really cool to see
Ppl nowdays just like to complain about everyting... I love this movies too, and even if i didnt tink theyr were good enough like many ppl i would still prefer them to exist since i love the lore and to know/see more about this franchise :)
The hobbit an unexpected journey was what got me into the entire middle earth thing at first, so for me it’s just really that nostalgic feeling and gratefulness for it is what makes this one of my favorite films and trilogies.
@@l0sts0ul89 Eh? Alduin is from Elder Scrolls not Lord of the Rings. Now if he somehow got transported into Middle-Earth and the whole of Arda then yeah, Arda would no doubt be destroyed. The only equivalence I guess to Alduin in LOTR would be Ancalagon but even he would be defeated by Alduin.
I know this is late to the conversation but one of my favorite things about these movies and the three that came before is how there are all of these incredible legendary artifacts like the swords presented in such low key ways.
One of the reasons CGI was used so heavily (at least in the goblin portion) was partly due to health concerns during filming. They had made tonnes of costumes with anamatronic elements and initially all of the up-close goblins were actual actors. However people started to drop out during filming due to exhaustion, and the heat in the costumes was so intense, they were pouring literal buckets of sweat out of their boots after only a few hours
Part of Thrain's problem, if you will, is that he has one of the seven Dwarven Rings of Power. It makes him a lot greedier than he might otherwise be. That won't come up here since the Hobbit was written before the Lord of the Rings so it was a plot point brought up in LotR at the Council of Elrond. These films are a lot of fun. Their major problem would be using a lot of extended action scenes to fill out three films based on a book not 1/3 the size of LotR. Their second is odd tonal shifts. The Hobbit is a children's book hence the playful comedy so often while LotR is aimed at adults. The Hobbit films shift between the tones making them feel discordant as stories. That said, I find these more re-watchable than LotR since the changes there annoyed me far more than the ones in this film.
Ohhh interesting!! I wonder if they tried to make those ties to LOTR stronger, retroactively, in these films? Honestly thus far we have had a great time with all of them, and are excited to watch the second one asap!
@@OfficialMediaKnightsThey added a lot to these films to tie into LotR. Those additions annoy many but I enjoyed what they did. The studio wanted a LotR's length trilogy so Jackson and team did their best with what they had. I do have a personal schadenfreude wish that they had kept the songs the elves sing when the gang gets to Rivendell if only to have seen the conniptions the LotR film Elf Worshiping fans would have had. This is just the first verse: O! What are you doing, And where are you going? Your ponies need shoeing! The River is flowing! O! Tra-la-la-lally Here down in the valley!
I have Misty Mountain as the ring tone for my cell. It's such a mournful, hauntingly beautiful melody that I always notice. 💙 The Hobbit came from Tolkien telling his children stories. I think it was published in the 1930s, but he didn't write and publish TLOTRs until the 1950s. So it was TLOTRs that was the follow-up. I read the books in the 60s and have been a fan every since as well as my kids and grandkids.
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A bit late to the conversation I absolutely loved your reactions to the Lord of the rings extended edition and excited to see the rest of your journey through The Hobbit. One of things I haven’t seen brought up in the comments is that Gollum while in the Caves and after when he went looking for the Ring after Bilbo took it lives by cannibalism. While I appreciate the pity of bilbo and recognize that he certainly had a part to play all the way to the end, as a tortured and corrupt soul he was completely lost, broken and truly evil and full of malice in his own right. Love the lord of the rings so excited to watch your reactions!
The symbol Gandalf puts on Bilbo's door is the Elvish script for the letter G. When I was 16, I took the time to figure out the elvish alphabet, using the deciphered messages found in the actual book. In fact, I showed some friends in school, and we memorized it, and had a secret code between us. Used it to hand in math homework, (numbers stay the same) and the only thing our teacher asked us was if it was foul language or not, took our word that it wasn't (we were all good students).
Gandalf's presence make things go easier because of Narya, his ring of power. That was described as having the power to inspire others to resist tyranny, domination and despair.
Omg watching one of my favorite movies along with you guys was such a pleasure! Many reaction people are too busy trying to please the viewers and don't actually care about the content they're reacting to. You were both so into it and paid attention which I appreciate 🥰
When sir Christopher Lee was filming for this trilogy he couldn’t make the trip to New Zealand cause of medical issues so he had to film it on a green screen back in the UK
You guys came into this with the right attitude. While they did expand and add to the story to stretch it out to three movies, the riddle game with Gollum was a highlight of the book, and done here pretty faithfully. Tolkien initially failed to properly describe Gollum though, so early illustrators tended to draw him as some kind of frog creature, sometimes a giant frog. This carried over even to the animated version for TV by Rankin-Bass. Thorin wasn't quite as mean to Bilbo in the book, but they played that up here to highlight the importance of them becoming great friends. One thing we don't see in the film version of Fellowship of the Ring is that after Bilbo sneaks out of his birthday party and says goodbye to Gandalf, a few dwarves had shown up to accompany him on his trip to Rivendell, because of course an elderly hobbit (even well-preserved) isn't going to wander there by himself in the middle of the night. Another thing left out of all these film versions is that the eagles speak, being a kingdom unto themselves. Gandalf isn't summoning nature, but is actually a friend and on speaking terms with their king. Short version, they're always helping each other out.
I was obsessed with the books when I was in high school and saw this in the theater decades later with my kids. I don’t think I’ll ever forget the reveal of Smaug’s eye at the end.
I'm so glad you enjoyed this and that you're developing your own opinions, which were interesting to listen to. Highly recommend the behind the scenes. Can't wait for the second movie. It's hands down my favorite of this trilogy. It made me really love the dwarves. You don't really get to see them and why they have their own seat of the fellowship in the LOTR franchise. It's more geared towards the men and the elves.
I discovered you two from your Society of the Snow reaction - that movie has had me in a chokehold since its release!! I love your reactions, you do so much more than simply “ooh” and “ahh” - sharing what you know and guessing what is coming is so fun to watch. As a huge Tolkien fan and someone who watches the OG trilogy yearly, I had so much fun experiencing it through your eyes. Even your reaction to this has given me a better appreciation for the hobbit trilogy (mess that it is). I’m so excited by your excitement for this world, and for more installments from you two! 🎉❤
I'm not reading through all the comments, but having read the Hobbit when I was younger, I loved the Bilbo and Golum scene. Straight from the book. Riddles and all. I never read The Lord of the Rings, but those films are vastly superior. The Hobbit should have only been two movies. The book isn't that long. I will thoroughly enjoy reliving these films through you two though!!! Your reactions are some of the best on the platform!!
The academy should add a nomination for best motion capture performance. The great Andy Serkis and Benedict Cumberbatch performed awesomely in this trilogy.
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Where in Middle-Earth would you two choose to live? I'd live in either the Shire, Rohan or Rivendell
@bryanprime3438 Excellent question! We both think we’d choose Rivendell! It’s just so beautiful and ethereal.
@@OfficialMediaKnights the dead marshs I would claim 📔 📚, since no one, not even tbe dark creatures like goblins,orcs not even the nazgul would want to be there.. "than i would enchant 12 miles of in a circle." That I can have peace and quiet 🤫
Shire, Rohan or Lothlorien here
Don't worry guys, Hobbit's 3 movies are actually decent, and theres still the bullshit 'rings of power' newish tv show to emerse you in the tolkein world, although its nowhere near as good, it still gives u the LOTR feel a bit.
in The Fellowship of the Ring, at the beginning when Frodo was riding with Gandalf and they're talking, when Gandalf said, "If you're referring to the dragon, I was barely involved..." Gandalf was referring to this story.
“Barely involved”
Arranged the meeting between Bilbo and the Dwarves
Rescued them from the Trolls
Took them to Rivendell to read the map
Rescued them from Goblin Town
Summoned the Eagles
led them to Beorn
THEN a long absence
Before participating in the final battle
Yea, “Barely Involved”, alright.
@@commandercritic9036 Gandalf is known for tricky anserws
I don't care what some critics say, I enjoy the Hobbit films. Are they as epic or deep as LOTR? Nope. But they are still a lot of fun. Was Legolas in the book? Nope. But it makes sense he was there somewhere, being that it was his father's kingdom. I could go on, but my point is while I understand the criticism, I don't let it get in the way of my enjoyment.
I agree with you! And the more I watched them the more I grew to appreciate them.
Also Tolkien died before he could tie a lot of characters / events together. Some things we never saw or read that Christopher added & built on. The Hobbit was an oral bedtime story he told his children so even though the publisher didn’t put it in the final book doesn’t mean they didn’t exist. Azog for example wasn’t part of the story but gave the orcs personality, goals, motives adding him in as Thorin’s rival.
So purists should really take the time to think about it. As a writer I have hundreds of pages of notes, background info that didn’t make the edit and plan to put in a different book or appendix. We just don’t know.
thank you for saying this! fully agree.
10000% this. I saw this movie 8 times in the theater when it came out
@@Taewills Exactly, fellow author! One must recall that ALL of the History of Middle-earth, Morgoth's Ring, and the rest of the published writings, were the rough drafts and the deleted scenes that did not make it into the final draft. Chris Tolkien dumped it onto a starving fanbase, and to this day fans take sides and die on hills they shouldn't.
@@seregrian5675 right? There’s so much language about butchering the published material when - 1. It doesn’t have to be identical to be deemed a great adaptation. 2. The public doesn’t know what they think they know. And 3. Sometimes the source material can be improved upon, honestly. There can be dull or bland portions of a book I adore that get changed on-screen for the better.
I think Martin Freeman did an amazing job as young Bilbo
We really enjoyed seeing him as Bilbo! So glad we got to know the character a little bit better!
@@OfficialMediaKnights I mean for all the criticism the Hobbit trilogy got (and I agree with most of it), it is worth watching solely for Martin Freeman's portrayal of young Bilbo. He was an absolute gem in this.
@@phj223 totally agree with this comment! also, i think if you're able to watch "the Hobbit" movies in isolation from the previous movies and try not to worry to much about the source material, you can enjoy them for what they are! it's a tall order but it's doable.
Iam Holm (RIP) wanted to try and reprise his role as a younger Bilbo, but his health prevented him from doing so. You're right, though; Freeman did do a bang-up job with this.
You wot....?
"I didn't know Bilbo interacted with Gollum"
If you remember in the Fellowship of the Ring, Frodo says to Gandalf "it's a pity Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance", to which Gandalf replies "Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's blade. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many."
In other words:
Bilbo did meet Gollum, but also, Bilbo choosing to not kill Gollum is in large part the reason why Middle Earth was saved in the end ^^;
Butterfly effect and all that
"I didn't know Bilbo interacted with Gollum"
I think she meant it more as, she didn't know they had an actual conversation together, because she mentions later that line from Gandalf about pity staying Bilbo's hand.
That profile pic reminded me of some animations I'd rather forget
Yeah, most casual fans do not realize that this instance is one of the most impressive showings of what the butterfly effect is in any literature. Bilbo not killing Gollum is the most important part of the Hobbit+LOTR story line. With Gollum dead, Sauron would likely never know where the Ring is, and the story of LOTR would never happen + without Gollum, Frodo and Sam wound never, ever come to Mordor, and if by some miracle they do, Frodo would never toss the Ring into Mount Doom, as he basically never did, Gollum got the Ring from Frodo and fell into the fire with it.
@@zigazdovc6175 It's also worth noting that on a more personal stake, Bilbo probably saved himself without ever realizing it. Had he started his ownership of the Ring with murder, it's very unlikely he'd ever come back, or resist as well as he did to the Ring's corruption. Instead, the first thing he did with the Ring in his possession was to show mercy.
"I'M GOING ON AN ADVENTURE!" Me, every time someone asks me where I'm going
😂- ME
To be fair, the parking lot at Target lately is a lot like Mordor.
"Are you going to the toilet?"
"YES, I'M GOING ON AN ADVENTURE!"
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I love Martin Freeman in this, his dialogues, performance, line delivery, FACIAL EXPRESSIONS AND BODY LANGUAGE. He definitely carries this movie on his back.
When Gandalf tells Bilbo "Home is behind, the world's ahead." is call back to Pippin's song he sings for the Steward of Gondor.
...and there are maaaaany paaaaths to tread...
oh wow, i never realized that but the moment i sang the words i got it.
@@Artnotforthesakeofart Through shadow.. to the edge of night!
Until the stars are all alight
BTW Billy Boyd, Pippin in LOTR, wrote and sang “The Last Goodbye” in Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies.
Let‘s not forget that Tolkien wrote the Hobbit as a bedtime story for his kids in 1936. The Lord of the Rings came out in 1954.
my understanding is that (yes, while he made it as a bedtime story for his kids) it was originally started based one of his student's paper that started out "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort."
Also, while it was published in '37, it was started in 1930. just saying.
@wal6377 If I recall correctly, Tolkien was bored while grading papers, and wrote "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit" on one of them.
@@wal6377yeah nah. He didn’t steal the hobbit idea from one of his students, he wrote that himself, while he was at home
@@torontomame
Someone else also said it was Tolkien's own creation. I read it differently in one of his books. I think it was in a preface from Tolkien's son. I'm going back 50 years ago, and while my memory can be spotty at times nowadays, I don't make things up. I trust you believe your story as much as I believe mine.
I think that's why I dont really mind the more cartoonish tone of the hobbit films. While it's not a childlike story it is written to be more child friendly, and we see that in the way it's structured with much smaller bite sized encounters that can easily fit into 10-20 mins of bed time reading.
I think people came into this series wanting LOTR 2, but the Hobbit is not LOTR. It's set in the same world and there might be common themes and story ties but ultimately It's very different in terms of tone and structure.
It's entertaining, people need to remember the lord of the rings was based off of 3 books, the hobbit is only 1 book that isn't even 300 pages
Right, it feels like the common consensus is that this did not need to be three movies...
Then they should have made it one film.
If it was just one movie a lot of stuff would have been missed out. I think two movies would have been fine. Cut out all the extra fluff the mocies threw in.
@@spitsfreeman Damn right they should've. Although Hollywood started to care more about profits a hell of a lot than during the LOTR.
it was the studios fault
Something you may have missed in The Fellowship of the Ring: Extended Edition) is that just after Frodo was stabbed in the shoulder on Weathertop and Aragorn is trying to treat the poison from the Morgul blade, they're actually next to the stone trolls that were still there after so many years. Sam even says "Look Mr. Frodo, it's Mr. Bilbo's trolls!"
This is the magic of it all, great story telling and bring little gems back the more you watch and realise!
@@davidareeves That was all Tolkien, there are parts that the directors changed, but this part, with Frodo poisoned next to Bilbo's trolls, did in fact happen in the book.
I've been to Hobbiton in New Zealand and got to do Bilbo's "I'm goin on an Adventure" line while running through the same path. Awesome time. We then had an actual feast at the Green Dragon Inn there as part of our tour. Absolutely recommend if anyone can get down there.
A lot of people were really angry about how The Hobbit was stretched into a trilogy. But what Peter Jackson did was delve DEEP into the Appendices for Lord of the Rings and tie together a whole HEAPING spoonful of lore that doesn't get talked about. The Battle of Azanulbizar was one of the most tragic battles in Dwarven history and it's not in the main book. Thorin didn't just lose his Grandfather there he lost his little brother too... who Fili is the spitting image of. Radagast, The White Council, the importance of Erebor and Smaug, Gandalf's whole storyline isn't in the book of the Hobbit. It's in the Appendices of The Return of the King. That's because The Hobbit is written purely from Bilbo's point of view in a fairytale format. If Bilbo didn't see it or hear about it... it didn't get written.
no the third movie was a studio demand after they already half finished the second movie. there is even behind the secenes footage where the actors are even confused of how many movies they are making.
@@Weaslgas Exactly. The plan was 2 parts but the studio chose to make it 3. It was already expanded with the lore of other books because the Hobbit isn't a big book but then the studio demanded it be ballooned into 3. There are added things I do like but there are things added that are too much that don't add anything to the story. Peter was right to only plan for 2 parts, part 3 is just the studio getting greedy.
He may have delved deep, but there was no need to add invented material to a story already convoluted. Changing Thrain's timeline, adding Azog instead of Bolg, that love story between one of the dwarves and an elf, the whole concept of stone giants...
They did not delve deep. They made stuff up and chanegd things. That is not going deep.
I love watching your comments because you notice everything. Camera angles, score, make-up artist work, costumes and so on. I like that you make connections to Lord of the Rings, recognize things and see a story. And I promise you, the other two Hobbit parts are epic. Especially in the extended version.
You have to understand that Smaug is literally the LEAST of dragons. Compared to the largest of all he is the size of an ant. Ancalagon the Black was so massive that when he was finally defeated during the War of Wrath in the First Age and his corpse cast upon the three volcanic peaks of Thangorodrim (that Morgoth had built his fortress of Angband underneath), he crushed them utterly. The Elves were POWERFUL back in the day.
Dragons also seek out/build treasure hoards because gold is a soft metal, but to a dragon's scales, it's _just_ the right softness to make a bed out of. It also attracts the occasional adventurer snack too :P
Goblins are a degenerate form of Orc, mutated and devolved by their time spent wholly underground.
Must've used a REALLY big gun
I love that there are fans of the LOTL lore and story like you. I wish I was like that.
@@l0sts0ul89From the Silmarillion: "Eärendil came, shining with white flame, and about Vingilótë were gathered all the great birds of heaven and Thorondor was their captain, and there was battle in the air all the day and through a dark night of doubt. Before the rising of the sun Eärendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest of the dragon-host ..."
Eärendil already had the Silmaril set upon his brow, blazing with the light of the stars before the First Age began, which has a _significant_ effect on the servants of Morgoth, at the least weakening the great fire-drake. Thorondor was there also, the greatest servant of Manwë who was King of the Valar, and his eagles would have been able to inflict severe harm upon the dragon (recall the Battle of Yavin 4 from Star Wars, sure the Death Star was powerful, but a swarm of smaller ships took it down). Elvish weapons were also quite powerful (Glamdring and Orcrist, the two swords Gandalf finds in the Hobbit, were forged in Gondolin approximately 7000 years prior and showed no sign of age or wear), and so Eärendil would have been able to inflict some serious wounds with his blade. He was also likely empowered by the Valar, as it was his courage in sailing to Aman to plead for their aid against their former brother that inspired them to gather their host and join the battle.
@@ordinary6Thank you, that means a lot :) It's not just LOTR, it's many scifi and fantasy realms. I'm a tremendous lore nerd, I eat it up, primarily because our own world's history is so drab and boring.
Leave it to a Britain to make the biggest baddest most dangerous monster to be black
They WERE the trolls Bilbo told the story of. And then you see them later after Frodo gets stabbed by the Nazgûl and they stop to rest. Sam says “look Mr. Frodo, it’s Mr. Bilbo’s Trolls!”.
I am glad you guys are not taking what others have said about the hobbit to form your opinion. The hobbit is honestly really good, and it may not be as good as lord of the rings, but what is? it is a very good trilogy and I love it so much!
One of the things with the Hobbit, and probably the main issue, is that it was originally supposed to be directed by someone else and Peter Jackson only came in at the last minute, he was sick at the time, and he only had one month to prepare. They ended up doing a rewrite of the original script and they couldn't spend as much time before shooting as they did with LotR. In LotR they spend many many months creating props and even planting the crops you see in the Shire, waiting for them to grow, etc. In the Hobbit, they had to lean heavily on CGI in no small part because of this. Had New Line Cinema not tried to keep some of the money they owed Peter Jackson for LotR leading him to have to sue them, and he was part of the project from the start, the movies would have been much much better. Even he wishes that it had been different, but all he had to decide was what to do with the time that was given him.
It was Guillermo del Torro who was supposed to direct the Hobbit Movies. I think he's still listed in the credits because he did stay on to help out with some of it. At least that's what I heard.
@MannyBrum I see what you did there in the last sentence 💜 Yeah, you summed it up very well. In the end, I'm glad we had these films.
@@Starr1Bryte Del Toro is credited as a Co-screenwriter because he originally worked on the scripts with Jackson, Walsh and Boyens while being set as the director and some of his ideas survived after he left the project, even though the scripts were heavily re-written by Jackson & Co., when Jackson came on board as director and during filming. As far as I remember they also wanted to honor him with a credit line because he did so much work (1,5 years of pre-production).
It's really a shame. When Jackson came on board and started everything from scratch the studios only gave him 4 months of pre-production because they had already invested a lot of money and therefore wanted to start filming fast. But this really was to the detriment of these films.
Genuinely Peter Jackson did such a good job landing this crashing plane, even if it was In the middle of the ocean. One of the few people who came be trusted to polish a turd well. Love these films. I look forward to their reaction to the battle of the five armies extended cut.
PJ saved these movies from being a complete catastrophe
One of my favorite scenes in the Lord of the Rings books is at the council of Elrond. It's not in the movies, but when it's decided that the ring had to be taken to Mordor, Bilbo was the first one to volunteer. "I know what you're thinking, Bilbo started this mess, so he might as well finish it." I think that was the line. Boromir chuckled when he saw his small size, but then he saw Gandalf, Elrond, Gloin, and others look at him seriously, because they knew what he had done before, and that he really meant it.
So, Balin is the dwarf whose tomb it was they found in Moria in Fellowship of the Ring. Not a spoiler since he was named in LotR. There are more but I don’t want to spoil anything for the next two movies.
And Ori is the one who was holding the book, lying in the same tomb
And Gloin is Gimli's father.
And Oin was killed by the Watcher in the Water
I'll be honest the gollum scene is absolutely freaking amazing and is by far the best portrayed moment from the hobbit book too. They took a lot of liberties with this trilogy, at not following the book, however not on this scene. Chapter was called Riddles in the dark and I have no words at how much perfection they hit with it for the cinema screen. Mindblowing, speechless !
A real treat like you guys said! Hail Andy Serkis the real goat!
@17:16 this scene was invented for the movie and serves as the "nudge" Gandalf mentions to Frodo during their first scene in The Fellowship of the Ring. "If you're referring to the business with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." In the book, The Hobbit, Gandalf literally did nudge Bilbo out the door to catch up with the dwarves. When they were busy adapting the book into screenplay form, they decided to have Gandalf give Bilbo a metaphorical nudge instead so that Bilbo then makes up his own mind to go after the dwarves the next morning. A stronger character moment for him.
I missed them both Christopher Lee and Ian Holmes. Rest in peace.
These Hobbit movies get hate that isn't deserved. Nothing in that world could ever match the og 3. But they are great and entertaining.
The first one its almost perfect for me, second and third one could have been done a lot better, but still kinda "ok" (how they changed the ending was not needed and cant take it tho).
@@ReqwulfI prefer the ending of the movies. Had they just stuck with the book ending it would’ve been so bland. PJ, Spielberg and Cameron are known for their action/thrilling sequences- it would’ve been a shame not to have an epic battle/ death or Thorin, Fili and Kili
Have to disagree. Jackson admitted he was disappointed with what he created but had no choice once he took over the project with less than a year before the first film was to be released. It is a bloated mess without any feeling of actual jeopardy. Dwarves dropping 50 feet plus from collapsing bridges yet unharmed may work in a whimsical film more suited for kids but you just can't go from that to darker serious themes where people do die and expect to hold an audience. When are characters at risk? Answer - when it is needed to stir the audience and not because it was part of the characters arc.
Well said
@@davidbellamy2612 dropping from a height and surviving without injuries happened multiple times in both books. So is your gripe with PJ or Tolkien?
I forgot if it was mentioned in the first movie but Fili and Kili are Thorin's nephews.
I remember watching it for the first time and being a little confused as to why Thorin was only calling out for Fili during the thunder giants fighting scene. Later realised Fili is his nephew and heir.
In the Fellowship of the Rings movie they stopped where the 3 trolls were turned to stone. I think it was Sam who said these must be Bilbos 3 Trolls. Actually, the Lord of the Rings made call backs to this timeframe. Since this occurred first. Gollum was not a Hobbit, but a River Folk, who are similar to the Hobbits.
He's a Stoor.
the river folk are hobbits
I feel fortunate to have seen all six films in the theater on opening day, culminating with watching all three Hobbit films in a marathon at our local theater when the third film dropped. I'm so happy you both are enjoying these and I'm glad you're both now addicted to Middle-earth.
Yes! I did this! I took the day off work and I think they started around 8am in the morning. What an amazing time that was
@@SuperMonkeeGirl I actually started a new job the day after the marathon. I used the last of my cash to go see it.
I was born barely a year after ROTK released, so I never saw the original trilogy in theaters, but I saw all 3 hobbit movies in theaters after reading the book as a lil kid and falling in love!
3:24 That is Legolas' father!
15:26 Balin, is Gimli's cousin!
46:01 That's a hard NO! At that moment, Saruman had nothing to do with Sauron! He followed him much later!
and Gloin was Gimlis father
YES!!!! FINALLY. This movie is SOOOO UNDERRATED. Genuinely the most entertaining movie out of all Middle Earth movies.
Oh boy, obsessive lotr fans are gonna come for you, they can't bear the thought of someone enjoying these films and having an opinion of their own.
@@Jenna-nk7ml TRUE LOL. By the way im not saying this is the best Middle Earth movie. I'm just saying that if i have free time i would watch the movie more often than LOTR, because it is way more fun and entertaining.
And im just talking about Unexpected Journey.
@@igorpodemski9596 Ah, this makes more sense, i was a little confused at first 😂 My mom and I used to turn this one on when we just wanted to be in the shire/rivendell but didnt have the time to watch the full trilogy :P
One of the most BS of things about this series was that they'd signed Guillermo del Toro as the director, but the heads at New Line Cinema had changed and the new guy wanted Peter Jackson to do it and for it to be three films (Originally it was supposed to be just two)
How they made Peter Jackson do it was because New Line was withholding most of his payments for LOTR and basically said "If you ever want to see that money and don't want to be tied up in legal issues for *decades* you're going to fire GDT and make these films.
And of course instead of spending the time and budget needed to make these as tight and well made as LOTR, the set an incredibly short deadline so tons and tons of corners had ro be cut.
TLDR: Bullshit Corporations choosing maximizing Profits over Making Art. A tale as old as time.
Another example of this bs affecting the creative teams. Such a shame. Peter Jackson really did his best with what he was given.
@@OfficialMediaKnights Yup. It's never about the art for those suits. It's always about ROI and Growth over last week/months/year.
It's basically the opposite of what happened for the original trilogy. When they screened the rough draft for LOTR for the higher-ups, it was condensed to one movie, and one of the higher ups said, "Shouldn't something like this be 3 movies?" And then they started making the Hobbit (a one-book film), and one of the execs said "this HAS to be 3 movies."
Yep so much studio interference on the whole project that they made peter Jackson suffer from massive stress both mentally and physically ill and made him lose a bunch of weight I'm glad he got better afterwards
I still think he did a good job, especially with the first one. It's more over the top and unrealistic, but it's pretty much Bilbo's telling of the story.
If Frodo wrote The Lord of the Rings (as we can see at the end of the movies), and Bilbo wrote There and Back Again - this tale - then I guess we can assume that Bilbo embellished his own story and isn't a very reliable narrator. That's how I take it.
We àso got to see LOTS of content from the Appendices that would never have been adapted otherwise. That's something people shouldn't be complaining about, at the very least.
Loved these films, never understood why other LOTR fans hated on them and were vile to people who enjoyed them. The Hobbit films were never in competition with LOTR so it was so weird and pathetic of them to compare, also if you liked the hobbit films other LOTR fans assumed that meant you thought it was better than LOTR and would get defensive... 😂 The trilogies are like brothers, no need to compare just enjoy. Plus without The Hobbit story JR might not have gone on to write LOTR. I'm thankful for the films and liked that Peter expanded on the book, plus he was probably forced to anyway by the studios to get more money. 80% of LOTR fans really ruined the releases of these films and made sure to kill anyone's love of them. Proud fan of both ✌️
If I don't like something I avoid it but the dedication certain lotr fans have to go on every reaction video and drop the same criticism to ruin the reactor's experience is nuts and so sad. Like they're terrified a few people might also enjoy the hobbit. When these films came out I'm surprised they didn't go protesting outside cinemas they were so pathetic, IT'S THE SAME UNIVERSE THEY'RE A PAIR NOT IN COMPETITION. It's the same as saying a sibling copied the other just by being born, so stupid.
While I agree with the bulk of what you've said, it was the director's choice to make the hobbit into three movies, he added scenes only to make it more drawn out, and thus ruined what might have been better (?), if he had left it as the original.
Did they cut out a whole lot out of lord of the rings, heck yeah, and I did not quibble over that, because you can understand why. However, did the director need to dump a ton of new scenes and story lines and stuff to make the hobbit?
I cant answer that. Resentment occurred for this movie, WHILE it was being made (!) because it was released that the director was bulling his way into making the hobbit into three movies, and adding new material never in the original source.
I imagine these fans arent LotR fans, they are fans of the original source material.
It's simple, the first film is the least offensive of the 3 films but the problems comes that it never needed to be 3 films and the problems become more apparent as the next two films release. The Hobbit's original story was always a much simpler fun tale that the '77 film actually carries out much better. The Hobbit trilogy actively tries to force a connection to the LOTR when it never needed it, and ends up making up portions to the story that ends up being worse for it. Lackluster forced love story and a forgettable 2ndary antagonist included. The Hobbit films are not outright terrible like say the Star Wars prequel or sequel trilogies, as it still carries the original Hobbit storyline. However a lot of the great parts just ends up getting bogged down while watching the the later films by all the unnecessary additions. There even exists a Hobbit edit that cuts out the unnecessary portions and shortens the movie quite a bit.
Vitriol on the otherhand is just fanbases in general, you'll get those people in any IP. Just ignore the ones that actively are being rude to you about it.
I loved every minute of the extended hobbit trilogy, scenes were added that was not in the source material but it was still a well told and engaging story in my opinion and thats what matters most. Hell if Peter Jackson decided one day to make a new trilogy set in the LOTR universe i would be down for it so long as it made sense within the established universe.
Hints and suspicion are high that Sauron is trying to return and Gandalf is afraid that Erebor and the dragon could fall to him. On the other hand, taking back Erebor would be a strategic move to control the upper parts of the woods and the mountain crossing to the west.. ❤ I love that you guys are still diving into this, I’m here for the adventure!🎉
Yep, Gandalf is always trying to crush any potential ally for Sauron. That's why he left the Fellowship in Moria to defeat the Durin's Bane, after all
Sarumon and Gandalf have a long-standing rivalry between each other going back to when they were "angels." "God" asked for volunteers to go down to Middle Earth to help, and Sarumon volunteered immediately, wanting to go out and prove himself. Gandalf (whose real name is Olórin) did not volunteer and did not want to go. "God" then told Gandalf that he had to go, essentially hand-picking him for the mission. Sarumon has always resented Gandalf because of this event. Basically, Sarumon wants to be the best, but Gandalf is always a reminder that "God" wanted Gandalf.
*Saruman
It was actually not god "Eru Ilúvatar" just his chief archangel "Manwë" in your metaphor.
@@zacharyhooker8395 Thanks for the clarification. I get a bit fuzzy when it comes to the deep lore.
god meaning Illuvitar
Fact of the day -
Gloin, one of the dwarves in the company is Gimlis father.
Goblin Mutant. I'm sorry I couldn't resist, I busted laughing in theatres when I heard that. 😂😂😂😂
It WAS Gloin 😭😭😭
I mean you could’ve waited one movie for that to be answered but sure spoil it lmao
@@OfficialMediaKnights Also Balin was the one entombed in Moria.
@@KayveePlays and Ori the owner of the journal Gandalf picks from his body, when he quotes ''they are coming...''
16:24 Gandalf has a history with Baggins and Took family. He chose Bilbo for a reason.
32:16 Thats the story that Bilbo was telling at the beginning of the LOTR.
So what connection does he has with his family?
One of the interesting schools of thought about both the book but in particular the movie The Hobbit is that The Hobbit is more of a traditional fairy tale that is literally being told to us by Bilbo. We as the audience/reader are the same as the hobbit children in The Fellowship of the Ring when Bilbo is telling them about his adventurer at his birthday party. So things like trolls talking and being concerned about how to prepare food properly is a projection by Bilbo, an addition to the story by him, to make the story more fantastic. Hobbits talk and care about food preparation. Trolls do not. Even their clothing is like a hobbit's, not what every other troll we see or hear about in the other tales from Middle Earth wears. Same thing for the battle with the goblins being so over the top and defying physics by falling that distance and not being significantly harmed. We are watching/hearing Bilbo's story, we are not watching or hearing a "historical account" of events like we did in The Lord of the Rings trilogy. For me, even the higher use of CGI in this movie falls in line with this idea. It's more fantastic and less realistic than practical effects would be, but again that fits with the notion that it is a fairy tale being told to us, and elaborated on/added to, by Bilbo as he is telling it to us. Sort of like a fish story where the size of the fish caught gets bigger and bigger each time you tell the story.
well, as far as your, very fair, criticisms go, a lot of it is just how different in tone The Hobbit and LOTR is. The Hobbit is a bedtime story for children. LOTR is an epic adventure. Even Tolkien tried to "rewrite" the Hobbit in the same tone as LOTR and gave up in frustration. His son recalls hearing a loud crash in his fathers office and when he checked on his dad, Tolkien had thrown his papers and book against the wall in frustration. SO imo Jackson is to be commended for doing such a great job translating the Hobbit story into a very similar tone to LOTR.
Jacksons solution to changing the tone of the Hobbit story to a more "epic" style is to include a lot of what is going on in the background of the world as a whole. In the Hobbit things are very loosely alluded to as a vague hint of something going on, mainly to help Bilbo (and the audience) understand that the world is much bigger than their experience. In this trilogy, we get to see what is going on in the world rather than it just being alluded to. Jackson did an amazing job staying true to the actual timeline of Middle Earth. Small tweaks and changes were made but only where needed to fill in the blanks and details or to make it more "movie friendly". Like when he sped up the time between Gandalf and Frodo learning what the ring really was and when Frodo leaves the shire (in the book it was like 30 years or so between the Party and Frodo leaving the Shire).
The lack of practical effects was most likely budget and time constraints. You will likely see people talk about Sir Ian McKellen breaking down on set and actually crying in frustration because he was acting in a green room, talking to tennis balls and thats not why he got into acting. A very sad thing and understandable. What most people forget to mention, or are just unaware, after that Jackson worked with McKellan and the rest of the crew to change their method of recording so that he could act and interact with actual people and Sir Ian McKellen was very happy with how things worked out. Also to cut modern recording a tiny amount of slack, Sir Ian is a classically trained actor from a different era. The man is an amazing human being and a wonderful person I am sure but we all can get a bit frustrated with changing times. Not to say he was in the wrong or anything but just remember that its not as simple as "CGI bad, practical good".
So as for the lack of villain action... This is based on a relatively short book and is split into an epic trilogy. Some people complain about that but IMO its amazing to get to see the opposite side of things. Getting to learn and know characters a lot better because there is so much extra time to fill! Usually movies have to cut stuff out to fit into their timeframe but in this case we get way more character building and time to spend with these characters. The villain of the original book is Smaug. He's an evil dragon they have to go kill and thats about it. In making this an epic trilogy... Jackson had to get creative with villains and did so amazingly. In the next films. So any addressing the lack of clear villain and villains screentime would be spoilers. Also, I think the white council showed why, Gandalf thinks at least, there is a larger threat than Smaug going on. And maybe rewatch that intro with Smaug taking down two kingdoms in an afternoon to understand why a dragon is a pretty big threat that should be dealt with. lol Though I do understand what you guys meant. There is a lack of urgency or at least it feels that way.
Overall I am so happy when people watch and enjoy the Hobbit! Especially when they have an open mind to it. It really gets a lot of undeserved negativity and I think it is amazing and I think you are right that its kinda the little brother to a much bigger more successful movie and so gets unfairly compared.
Very well said! In a way comparing these films to LotR is setting them up for failure...they aren't the same level of iconic-epic-legend, but they are a rollicking good time and I have fun any time I watch them :D
This trilogy is good, but a lot of stuff should have been cut out, but Hollywood being what it is wanted a trilogy, meaning more 🤑, but this was supposed to be an adventure, Tolkein wrote for his son when he was a child. And those trolls you saw those in LOTR when the group and Aragorn was resting after Frodo got stabbed and was passing into the shadow realm, the troll statues are covered in green shrubs. The Necromancer goes by another name too, I'll leave it you guys to guys who it is. And you guys have never heard the metaphor you tell your children? "Oh thats not a thunderstorm, that's just stone giants fighting?" Sir, Christopher Lee was very sick by the time this trilogy came out, so much so that his doctor said he cannot fly, and so Peter Jackson filmed that round table meeting with Hugo, Sir Christopher, Cate Blanchett, Sir Ian in a set with green screen in England. And I can't wait for the second one cause it's my favorite, and played by one of my favorite top 10 actors. With that being said it's still cool to see more of the world.
Holy crap, didn't know that!! Thanks for pointing these things out! We are so excited for the second one and to continue this journey, see where it takes us!
Sir Christopher Lee and Peter Jackson had a falling out when Return of The King came out because Jackson had to cut all of Sarumons parts out of the movie for the theatrical cut. Luckily, they both made ammends and ended things as friends before Lee died.
These are some of my favorite movies, I absolutely LOVE The Hobbit trilogy, easy to watch, nostalgic in many ways, the new characters we get to meet are amazing and their stories… amazing as well, and maybe some people dislike them, but I like to think I’m one of the few that really enjoys them, I hope you like them as well!
Great that you decided to carry on with Peter Jackson's Tolkien movies😊 Whatever other people may say, The Hobbit trilogy was brilliant and had a lot of memorable moments. Personally I was hoping for Hobbit adaptation from Peter Jackson right after the Return of the king came out. When it finally happened I wasn't disappointed and enjoyed the new trilogy. Hope you'll enjoy it as well
That's so awesome to hear, we love when people enjoy movies - that's what they're made for!
We had such a great time with this one and cannot wait to continue our journey into Middle Earth! Thank you for your support!
Remember, Gandalf said the elven swords were made in city of Gondolin, by the Elves in the First Age. Elrond's father, Earendil, was one of the survivors who fled the fall of Gondolin when Morgoth (the first dark lord and master of Sauron) launched his attack on it. it stands to reason how he might recognize these blades.
Also, by this point, Saruman is already searching for the One Ring. As the leader of the White Council (Elrond, Galadriel, Saruman & Gandalf), he deliberately prevents actions from being taken, so he can continue his search in secret.
A little fun fact regarding the White Council, Galadriel originally recommended Gandalf to be the council's leader, but Gandalf passed on the offer, not wishing to set down roots in any one location. Instead, it's given to someone Galadriel doesn't trust - Saruman.
By the way, if you're wondering who has the 3 Elven Rings, Galadriel has one. Elrond has another. They use their rings to protect their respective realms of Lorien and Rivendell. As for the third, Gandalf has it.
I wish one day they can make a movie out of the Siege of Gondolin that led to the fall of Gondolin...1st age elves are just badass, I really would like to see Glorfindel in action slaying Balrogs and even see Etchtelion killing three Balrogs and even killed the Lord of Balrogs ( Gothmog) , though the last one it costed his life.
@@rio20d Same, though I doubt the rights for the Fall of Gondolin or the Silmarillion will ever be given to a company that actually respects the lore. And I 100% don't want another Rings of Power incident. Keep the rights away from Amazon.
@@Some_Dumass yeah totally agree, RoP is an abomination to Tolkien lore, its like Amazon just wanted to give a middle finger to Tolkien and his fans.
@@rio20d i believe Tolkien wrote later that his mindset regarding balrogs and the 1st age elves was very different from when he wrote lotr. Balrogs at Gondolin were not in his mind as singular and powerful as Durin's Bane. He just changed his thoughts on scale somewhat.
Not entirely, of course, as I believe he was also the one who established that Galadriel is one of the most powerful beings alive in the 3rd age, at least as powerful as many of the other maiar.
Naysayers are a sad lot, full of dark counsel for all who are foolish enough to listen. I first read THE HOBBIT when I was 8 years old and I now find myself to be an old man. My many journeys into Middle-Earth has made me quite fond of the place, and I would share with you one thing that I have learned. Those who sit around a grand table and the feast spread out upon it will find some foods to their liking more so than others. Some will prefer mutton to beef, some will find the baked yams more tasty than the mashed potatoes. But this is the thing... when your table is Middle-Earth, everything is a delight, and any chance you have to sit at it is a blessing, indeed. In your feast, there are still two more courses ahead, and you will assuredly enjoy them both.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
This movie has some fantastic cinematography! The teaser shots a Smaug in the intro is one of my favorites.
The rune that Gandalf marks Bilbo's door with is the old Norse rune for "F", which was used for the God Frey. The God of, among other things, prosperity and good weather. Given the adventure upon which they are about to embark, is quite appropriate.
The troll scene is indeed the story Bilbo was telling the young Hobbits at his party.
Also, in the book, the Great Eagle Gandalf is riding is named Guaihir(sp?) Lord of the Eagles. Gandalf asks them if they might take them to their destination at Erabor, but he basically says he's not a horse to be ridden but will take him part of the way there. This is also the reason they never use the Eagles in the LOTR.
I think most of the vitriol around this trilogy stems from the fact that it is one book stretched across three movies. They do change/add several characters, even some that are not present in the book. But that is more an issue with the production company pushing it on Peter Jackson. But it's still a great movie trilogy.
Ohhhh yes, the film just has a stunning look!! Knowing this is the first one, we did have a great time, but can also understand the frustrations of the fans who actually know the source material.
It's always disheartening when a director, especially one like Jackson who has more than proven his aptitude toward the LOTR, doesn't get proper creative control. And it looks like the changes that were pushed onto him were not received all that well, it's just a shame...
Thank you for sharing the rest btw, we so appreciate you taking the time to teach us some more about the lore!
As far as I'm aware, Gwaihir and the eagles are essentially demigods, so makes sense they don't take kindly to being treated as ubers.
Funfact: in the book the mark on the door is something different, not a g rune but actually a special 'thief's mark':
"“Pardon me,” he said, “if I have overheard words that you were saying. I don’t pretend to understand what you are talking about, or your reference to burglars, but I think I am right in believing” (this is what he called being on his dignity) “that you think I am no good. I will show you. I have no signs on my door-it was painted a week ago-, and I am quite sure you have come to the wrong house. As soon as I saw your funny faces on the door-step, I had my doubts. But treat it as the right one. Tell me what you want done, and I will try it, if I have to walk from here to the East of East and fight the wild Were-worms in the Last Desert. I had a great-great-great-grand-uncle once, Bullroarer Took, and-”
“Yes, yes, but that was long ago,” said Gloin. “I was talking about you. And I assure you there is a mark on this door-the usual one in the trade, or used to be. Burglar wants a good job, plenty of Excitement and reasonable Reward, that’s how it is usually read. You can say Expert Treasure-hunter instead of Burglar if you like. Some of them do. It’s all the same to us. Gandalf told us that there was a man of the sort in these parts looking for a Job at once, and that he had arranged for a meeting here this Wednesday tea-time.”
“Of course there is a mark,” said Gandalf. “I put it there myself. For very good reasons. You asked me to find the fourteenth man for your expedition, and I chose Mr. Baggins. Just let any one say I chose the wrong man or the wrong house, and you can stop at thirteen and have all the bad luck you like, or go back to digging coal.”
:) hehe Tolkien even made a drawing of the hobbit hole door with the symbol. The g rune is used as s sort of personal signature of Gandalf in Lotr so it's alright too:
"This has been handled recently,' he said. 'What do you think of these marks?'
On the flat under-side Frodo saw some scratches: G.III Runes. 'There seems to be a stroke, a dot, and three more strokes,' he said.
'The stroke on the left might be a G-rune with thin branches,' said Strider. 'It might be a sign left by Gandalf, though one cannot be sure. The scratches are fine, and they certainly look fresh. But the marks might mean something quite different, and have nothing to do with us. Rangers use runes, and they come here sometimes.'"
As for the Eagles well they too have their limitations, they are giant talking Eagles but still can be hurt, shot down from the sky and all that (in the book it is said that Gandalf once rescued the king of Eagles healing his arrow wound).
The Eagle Gwaihir is Gandalf's friend who helps him out during events of Lord of the Rings:
'And the Eagles of the Mountains went far and wide, and they saw many things: the gathering of wolves and the mustering of Orcs; and the Nine Riders going hither and thither in the lands; and they heard news of the escape of Gollum. And they sent a messenger to bring these tidings to me.
'So it was that when summer waned, there came a night of moon, and Gwaihir the Windlord, swiftest of the Great Eagles, came unlooked-for to Orthanc; and he found me standing on the pinnacle. Then I spoke to him and he bore me away, before Saruman was aware.' ...
'"How far can you bear me?" I said to Gwaihir.
'"Many leagues," said he, "but not to the ends of the earth. I was sent to bear tidings not burdens."
'"Then I must have a steed on land," I said....
'"Then I will bear you to Edoras, where the Lord of Rohan sits in his halls," he said; "for that is not very far off." ...
'"Are the Men of Rohan still to be trusted, do you think?" I said to Gwaihir, for the treason of Saruman had shaken my faith.
'"They pay a tribute of horses," he answered, "and send many yearly to Mordor, or so it is said;1 but they are not yet under the yoke. But if Saruman has become evil, as you say, then their doom cannot be long delayed."'
The Fellowship of the Ring, LoTR Book 2, Ch 2, The Council of Elrond
In The Hobbit they rescue the company first out to stop the orcs and because they owe Gandalf:
"The Lord of the Eagles would not take them anywhere near where men lived. “They would shoot at us with their great bows of yew,” he said, “for they would think we were after their sheep. And at other times they would be right. No! we are glad to cheat the goblins of their sport, and glad to repay our thanks to you, but we will not risk ourselves for dwarves in the southward plains.”
“Very well,” said Gandalf. “Take us where and as far as you will! We are already deeply obliged to you. But in the meantime we are famished with hunger.” The Hobbit
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"“What is all this uproar in the forest tonight?” said the Lord of the Eagles. He was sitting, black in the moonlight, on the top of a lonely pinnacle of rock at the eastern edge of the mountains. “I hear wolves’ voices! Are the goblins at mischief in the woods?”
He swept up into the air, and immediately two of his guards from the rocks at either hand leaped up to follow him. They circled up in the sky and looked down upon the ring of the Wargs, a tiny spot far far below. But eagles have keen eyes and can see small things at a great distance. The Lord of the Eagles of the Misty Mountains had eyes that could look at the sun unblinking, and could see a rabbit moving on the ground a mile below even in the moonlight. So though he could not see the people in the trees, he could make out the commotion among the wolves and see the tiny flashes of fire, and hear the howling and yelping come up faint from far beneath him. Also he could see the glint of the moon on goblin spears and helmets, as long lines of the wicked folk crept down the hillsides from their gate and wound into the wood.
Eagles are not kindly birds. Some are cowardly and cruel. But the ancient race of the northern mountains were the greatest of all birds; they were proud and strong and noble-hearted. They did not love goblins, or fear them. When they took any notice of them at all (which was seldom, for they did not eat such creatures), they swooped on them and drove them shrieking back to their caves, and stopped whatever wickedness they were doing. The goblins hated the eagles and feared them, but could not reach their lofty seats, or drive them from the mountains.
Tonight the Lord of the Eagles was filled with curiosity to know what was afoot; so he summoned many other eagles to him, and they flew away from the mountains, and slowly circling ever round and round they came down, down, down towards the ring of the wolves and the meeting-place of the goblins."
@fantasywind3923 I really need to read the books again! I do remember the bit from Aragorn on Weathertop, and Gandalf re-telling his story at the Council of Elrond. Thanks for the refresher!
@@Khadharphakyes lol!! And I think ppl who didn’t actually read the books don’t understand that the Eagles aren’t some tool for Gandalf to use whenever he wants. They’re intelligent and wise and ancient, very different from generalized animals. Especially since they can speak.
That last line from Thorin always gets me in the feels.. Such a remarkable delivery that showcases just how good of an actor he is.
I just love the vibe you two bring to the table. I feel like a friend in the room watching with you.
What most people don't know about Thorin, is that during the battle at Moria, not only did Thorin lose his grandfather and his father go missing, but his younger brother, Frerin, died that day too
Me and my son loved these hobbit movies and still watch them. My son is a lotr fanatic and even he thought maybe it's just the purists who say these movies were bad. They're fun movies, and you will enjoy them I guarantee, so ignore any grumpy comments about these movies and enjoy the ride🎉
It makes my heart smile to see you both loving Tolkien's stories! I read The Hobbit when I was in sixth grade, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and became completely hooked on Middle Earth and every book that followed❤ The movies are amazing and I could not be happier with the screen adaptations!
I dunno why people hate on the hobbit. Peter Jackson put his spin while keeping true, just like he did with LOTR. He was forced to change parts of the story but still followed it
It was a derivative cash grab, cynically spun out into three films. Dwarves who mostly didn't look like dwarves, who nobody could name. Legolas, looking noticeably older. Cheap-looking CGI. Alfred scenes. It's a long, long list. The Hobbit trilogy shat all over the legacy of the original trilogy.
1:13:20 , In this part they play the Nazgûl theme... Completely out of context.. To me, that is such a good example of how lazily and/or hastily these movies were put together... Such a shame
@@vercoda9997 the originally trilogy (P.Jackson) Shat all over those movies as well when you look at how much he changed. If you looked into how much the Tolkien estate was suing him for he wouldn’t have the money to make it. Plus when you look at how rushed the book is the movie would be incredibly fast paced. Azog is mentioned in the book so I thought it’s great to bring him in more
@@NastyCupid you’re complaining over theme music? 😂😂
Well let me explain that many have complained but it’s not the Revelation of the Ringwraiths. It’s very similar buts it’s not..Howard Shore is known for using the same theme music for movies and slightly tweaking them. If you watch all of the middle earth cinema a lot of the theme music is the same depending on the area. Think of the Eagles theme: used first in Fellowship when the moth first appears. Then it's used in Two Towers to signify the ents. Then in Return of the King, it's Rohan's war theme AND the eagles theme. Then in An Unexpected Journey it's the eagles again. Howard Shore does this and it's fine. I listen to the soundtracks a lot.
The hobbit is not a complete failure because of him! It could have gone very wrong.
Something yall missed in reference to the fact Bilbo met Golem and retrieved the ring. Was the fact that in LOTR, Golem was captured and tortured by the orcs and screamed out, "Baggins, Shire!" He only could have said that by having ran into him and having shared that information at some point in the past.
I have watched that movie with Ukrainians from Mariupol and the line "But always he remembered the mountain smoke beneath the moon, the trees like torches blazing bright, for he had seen dragon fire in the sky and a city turned to ash. And he never forgave... and he never forgot." came up...and that was one of sadest experiences in my life watching their faces...I know this is a bit out of place, but I cant shake that every time I hear that again. Oh and btw the white haired dwarf..that is Balin..you have heard the name before..you have seen his tomb
Wow, thank you for sharing. It is truly heartbreaking to see people lose their homes. Homes that have been there for generations and would’ve been home to generations to come. Nobody should have to go through that but unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world. It’s bittersweet seeing some of these characters knowing where they’ll end up! That scene that followed though with the troll was spectacular!
@@OfficialMediaKnightsI apologize for bringing the mood down of course and that was not to meant as political statement by me just to clarify..my point is that sometimes movies mean even more to people than expected. You never know how close to home something hits (for me it is for example the start of "Up"), and this makes it even more massive to watch movies and appreciate the work that goes in even more
@@ravensdark99 No you're right, after all,
twas evil from the land of Mordor, where the soviet shadows lie...
@@adamscott7354mate I watched "The Darkest Hour" in Kyiv..you cannot imagine the crowd reaction to the end speech of Churchill..that was the most insane stuff I have ever seen in a cinema
@@ravensdark99 You're goddamn right, also Tarantino had to point out how vs in US cinemas, the London UK premiere with actual Dunkirk vets including some of the boat captains, crews just lost it with tears during the "Home came for them" scene,
about Darkest Hour, on a lighter note,
on a comment of a YT vid of it, I fully replicated that opening parliamentary scene in text but with English phonetic sound emphasis to make it funnier lol
Just so you know the balin. The old white haired dwarf is the same one that the fellowship comes up on the grave of in moria. In fact like three or four the dwarves that were part of that company are the dwarves that are part of this group in these movies. Including the one that writes the book that gained out reads at the grave.
So glad y'all are watching the extended versions. It bugs me when reactors watch LoTR extended, but not The Hobbit. Love your reactions. Have Fun With the rest!!
Thank you! Figured, we’d already watched the first trilogy in the same format and loved it. Thank you for watching these with us ❤️
In the Fellowship, Gandalf sits in front of the fire after Bilbo leaves the shire and when Frodo comes in he whispers "riddles in the dark". He's referring to Bilbo's game with Gollum
It wasn't. It was a name of the chapter of the book. LotR movies actually included a lot of the chapter names as easter eggs.
Out of all 6 LotR and Hobbit movies, Martin Freeman as Bilbo is the single best casting they could've ever done. He was born to play Bilbo
Honestly that's so hard to say, I feel like there is so manny perfect castings in lord of the rings, hard to choose 😅 bilbo us up there for sure tho, but for me I actually think gandalf is the best casting
Also think Viggo as Aragorn was perfect once they let go of Stuart Townsend.
@@jawo8754 To think they had been considering Nicolas Cage as Aragorn..
@@FrenchieQc right?! I like Nick Cage but he lends more to the manic characters.
Yet again one of my FAVORITE reactions of these movies on TH-cam! I really get the feeling that you both truly understand the world. You both get emotional and happy when the time is right. Thank you guys!
19:56
Gandalf: home is behind, the world ahead
*Flashback to Pippin's song in the return of the king*
PepperJelly here! Thanks for the shout out. This is my comfort movie. I watch it weekly, at least. I'm so stoked my name is on my favorite movie. Made my day, so unbelievably, after a very intensely difficult week. Much love!
It’s funny how watching something with friends can make it better, I remember not liking this movie but it was fun today
Ah man! You guys are truly the best ❤️
19:57 - Gandalf says "But home is now behind you, the world ahead"
Remember the first line of Pippin's song in ROTK that he sings for Lord Denethor "Home is behind, the world ahead..."
Sylvester McCoy (the Seventh Doctor) as Radagast completes the trifecta of perfectly cast wizards!
they are five istari .....
@@alexandrelightoftheunivers9584 The two Blue Wizards haven't made it to the screen yet. Maybe in the Rings of Power.
false because the only thing we know there are disepeared in the east probably in mordor @@daryllyew62
I'm so glad you're watching the Hobbit movies, the extended versions no less. I'm looking forward to experiencing them with you guys. They may be lighter and less complex than the Lord Of The Rings movies, but they have a great story and humour. Very entertaining. You'll have tears in your eyes before the end, I promise you.
Anyone complaining how this one book is 3 movies will turn around and watch a tv series where each season is based off one book. Lol, people are silly. There’s enough in hobbit to be 3 movies or a season of a series. So I love that he spread it out so nothing was left out
I love watching your reactions to movies.....especially the Tolkein stories. The fact that you pick up on so many of the positive and compassionate gems the characters reveal is special. Thank you❤
Riddles in the Dark is my favourite chapter of the book!
Yes!
the misty mountains song has lived rent free in my head since i first saw this film, as has ''i'm going on an adventure!!!''
Seeing the end where Smaug's eye opens what CRAZY in the theatre, gave me actual chills. Loved the reaction, and I'm a huge fan of both trilogies. Can't wait for more!
I love the conclusive nod from both of you that the “old Toby” would settle his nerves 😂😂👌🏾
I never understood the hate for the hobbit but I loved them
Ehh people don’t like the extra content that wasn’t in the book and all the CGI over practical effects. Which personally, I don’t mind, but I do get it. They’re okay, just not as memorable as LOTR. I think all six films are great in their own way.
It's mostly because of alot of the stuff that was added in with alot of it not really making sense at all along with the CGI. While I don't hate these films, I am also not the hugest fan either.
New Zealand is beautiful. That's where a lot of it was shot, beautiful landscape, truly MiddleEarth.
I think this Trilogy gets entirely too much hate. Sure, it may not be of the same level as _Lord of the Rings_ (although many individial Scenes certainly are IMO). But there is too much to like about these Films, be it the Cast, the Music, the Cinematography, Ambition, Scale, Production Design and the aforementioned *fantastic* Moments, for be to dismiss them. They may not archive perfection the way LotR did, but honestly, what does? _The Hobbit,_ for all its flaws, still stands above damn near everything else this Genre has to offer.
And I'll always be thankful for the feelings the opening Scenes of _An Unexpected Journey_ gave me back in 2012: The New Line Cinema-Logo, accompanied by Howard Shore's familiar music, followed by the opening Scenes in the Shire and Bilbos' narration... it was like coming home.
I studied high school in Hamilton, NZ. I have been to Hobbiton and there really is that "no admittance" sign in front of Bilbo's house.
When he said he got as far as Frogmorton once, I was curious so I looked it up just now. He walked 14 miles, so he would only have to walk approximately 946 more miles to get to his destination.
Yes, that is the story Bilbo was telling to the young hobbits. And in the extended edition of fellowships of the ring there is a scene when Frodo is stabbed in the shoulder by the Witch kings blade. You see the trolls in their statue state and Sam makes a reference about them being the trolls in Bilbos story while Frodo is struggling with being poisoned.
7:52 gotcha crying in the first 10 mins 😂😅
They got us with Frodo’s interactions not gonna lie 😭
@@OfficialMediaKnights they got us all😭
I read all these books for enjoyment and for literature classes. As a kid, I watched the animated features. Seeing you two delighted by the movies is soooo enjoyable. Your old Uncle Vinnie would share meal and pint of ale with you anytime.😊
When gandalf found the shire. It was during a terrible winter. A magical winter ( like how saruman made bad weather for the fellowship) .
He found a little girl ( bilbos mother) belladonna. As a child saved her from wolves, and help the shire folk survive the winter with his fires . He visited regularly after that . . He is one of the few outsiders allowed in .
At gandalfs request the rangers protect the shire . Stop anything evil or other men from entering. .
There is a road that dwarfs and elves use but thats it . .
Aragon granted the hobbits more land , and made it a law than no man, not even himself msy enter the shire. ( and he was invited) and he set up a trade relationship. Via sam .
what i love the most about the company of thorin oakenshield is just how much they all truly trust each other. all of the little flips and stuff they do off of each other that are just second nature, kili nocking an arrow at just a simple nod from thorin.. the sense of companionship is just really cool to see
Ppl nowdays just like to complain about everyting... I love this movies too, and even if i didnt tink theyr were good enough like many ppl i would still prefer them to exist since i love the lore and to know/see more about this franchise :)
The hobbit an unexpected journey was what got me into the entire middle earth thing at first, so for me it’s just really that nostalgic feeling and gratefulness for it is what makes this one of my favorite films and trilogies.
Gotta remember that Smaug (this dragon) is one of the smallest of this world
See Ancalagon The Black... Godzilla himself would SH*T his pants!
He was also the last of the great dragons of this world.
@@grunztiertransmutator770 until well Godzilla lasers him
@@Dumbodwarf before Alduin shows back up of course lmao
@@l0sts0ul89 Eh? Alduin is from Elder Scrolls not Lord of the Rings. Now if he somehow got transported into Middle-Earth and the whole of Arda then yeah, Arda would no doubt be destroyed.
The only equivalence I guess to Alduin in LOTR would be Ancalagon but even he would be defeated by Alduin.
I know this is late to the conversation but one of my favorite things about these movies and the three that came before is how there are all of these incredible legendary artifacts like the swords presented in such low key ways.
A lot of people hate these movies, but I will forever treasure them. For me they're good, and enjoyable- that's all I want
One of the reasons CGI was used so heavily (at least in the goblin portion) was partly due to health concerns during filming. They had made tonnes of costumes with anamatronic elements and initially all of the up-close goblins were actual actors. However people started to drop out during filming due to exhaustion, and the heat in the costumes was so intense, they were pouring literal buckets of sweat out of their boots after only a few hours
Part of Thrain's problem, if you will, is that he has one of the seven Dwarven Rings of Power. It makes him a lot greedier than he might otherwise be. That won't come up here since the Hobbit was written before the Lord of the Rings so it was a plot point brought up in LotR at the Council of Elrond.
These films are a lot of fun. Their major problem would be using a lot of extended action scenes to fill out three films based on a book not 1/3 the size of LotR. Their second is odd tonal shifts. The Hobbit is a children's book hence the playful comedy so often while LotR is aimed at adults. The Hobbit films shift between the tones making them feel discordant as stories. That said, I find these more re-watchable than LotR since the changes there annoyed me far more than the ones in this film.
Ohhh interesting!! I wonder if they tried to make those ties to LOTR stronger, retroactively, in these films?
Honestly thus far we have had a great time with all of them, and are excited to watch the second one asap!
@@OfficialMediaKnightsThey added a lot to these films to tie into LotR. Those additions annoy many but I enjoyed what they did. The studio wanted a LotR's length trilogy so Jackson and team did their best with what they had.
I do have a personal schadenfreude wish that they had kept the songs the elves sing when the gang gets to Rivendell if only to have seen the conniptions the LotR film Elf Worshiping fans would have had. This is just the first verse:
O! What are you doing,
And where are you going?
Your ponies need shoeing!
The River is flowing!
O! Tra-la-la-lally
Here down in the valley!
I have Misty Mountain as the ring tone for my cell. It's such a mournful, hauntingly beautiful melody that I always notice. 💙
The Hobbit came from Tolkien telling his children stories. I think it was published in the 1930s, but he didn't write and publish TLOTRs until the 1950s. So it was TLOTRs that was the follow-up. I read the books in the 60s and have been a fan every since as well as my kids and grandkids.
The Media Knights: An Unexpected Journey... Two TH-camrs decide to react to amazing movies. They did not expect such a reaction, such a following. Their channel grew and grew and everyone loved their channel and even more themselves. They responded to all their fans and their fans responded back to them in kind. A fellowship was formed and we await their reactions every week for the foreseeable future. Have a great weekend guys ❤️👍
Haha aww! You guys have truly been the best of the best. We are beyond lucky to be part of this fellowship. We wish you an amazing weekend as well! ❤️
A bit late to the conversation I absolutely loved your reactions to the Lord of the rings extended edition and excited to see the rest of your journey through The Hobbit. One of things I haven’t seen brought up in the comments is that Gollum while in the Caves and after when he went looking for the Ring after Bilbo took it lives by cannibalism. While I appreciate the pity of bilbo and recognize that he certainly had a part to play all the way to the end, as a tortured and corrupt soul he was completely lost, broken and truly evil and full of malice in his own right. Love the lord of the rings so excited to watch your reactions!
The Necromancer IS Sauron!
The symbol Gandalf puts on Bilbo's door is the Elvish script for the letter G. When I was 16, I took the time to figure out the elvish alphabet, using the deciphered messages found in the actual book. In fact, I showed some friends in school, and we memorized it, and had a secret code between us. Used it to hand in math homework, (numbers stay the same) and the only thing our teacher asked us was if it was foul language or not, took our word that it wasn't (we were all good students).
Gandalf's presence make things go easier because of Narya, his ring of power. That was described as having the power to inspire others to resist tyranny, domination and despair.
I dont remember what Nenya did thought
Omg watching one of my favorite movies along with you guys was such a pleasure! Many reaction people are too busy trying to please the viewers and don't actually care about the content they're reacting to. You were both so into it and paid attention which I appreciate 🥰
When sir Christopher Lee was filming for this trilogy he couldn’t make the trip to New Zealand cause of medical issues so he had to film it on a green screen back in the UK
The marking Gandalf scratches on Bilbo’s door is the Dwarven “G” rune, letting Thorin and Co. know that it was the correct house.
You guys came into this with the right attitude. While they did expand and add to the story to stretch it out to three movies, the riddle game with Gollum was a highlight of the book, and done here pretty faithfully. Tolkien initially failed to properly describe Gollum though, so early illustrators tended to draw him as some kind of frog creature, sometimes a giant frog. This carried over even to the animated version for TV by Rankin-Bass.
Thorin wasn't quite as mean to Bilbo in the book, but they played that up here to highlight the importance of them becoming great friends. One thing we don't see in the film version of Fellowship of the Ring is that after Bilbo sneaks out of his birthday party and says goodbye to Gandalf, a few dwarves had shown up to accompany him on his trip to Rivendell, because of course an elderly hobbit (even well-preserved) isn't going to wander there by himself in the middle of the night.
Another thing left out of all these film versions is that the eagles speak, being a kingdom unto themselves. Gandalf isn't summoning nature, but is actually a friend and on speaking terms with their king. Short version, they're always helping each other out.
I was obsessed with the books when I was in high school and saw this in the theater decades later with my kids. I don’t think I’ll ever forget the reveal of Smaug’s eye at the end.
I'm so glad you enjoyed this and that you're developing your own opinions, which were interesting to listen to. Highly recommend the behind the scenes. Can't wait for the second movie. It's hands down my favorite of this trilogy. It made me really love the dwarves. You don't really get to see them and why they have their own seat of the fellowship in the LOTR franchise. It's more geared towards the men and the elves.
I discovered you two from your Society of the Snow reaction - that movie has had me in a chokehold since its release!! I love your reactions, you do so much more than simply “ooh” and “ahh” - sharing what you know and guessing what is coming is so fun to watch. As a huge Tolkien fan and someone who watches the OG trilogy yearly, I had so much fun experiencing it through your eyes. Even your reaction to this has given me a better appreciation for the hobbit trilogy (mess that it is). I’m so excited by your excitement for this world, and for more installments from you two! 🎉❤
I'm not reading through all the comments, but having read the Hobbit when I was younger, I loved the Bilbo and Golum scene. Straight from the book. Riddles and all. I never read The Lord of the Rings, but those films are vastly superior. The Hobbit should have only been two movies. The book isn't that long. I will thoroughly enjoy reliving these films through you two though!!! Your reactions are some of the best on the platform!!
The academy should add a nomination for best motion capture performance. The great Andy Serkis and Benedict Cumberbatch performed awesomely in this trilogy.