The Ultimate Showdown: Jungle Og vs. Amigo VST Sampler
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Introducing Amigo VST Sampler: Relive the lo-fi magic of the Commodore Amiga era. Downsample WAV, AIFF, MP3 to 8-bit, 22 kHz. Trigger sounds in chromatic mono, polyphonic, chord, or slice mode. Vintage time-stretching and phase control for unique effects. Compatible with modern DAWs on macOS, Windows, and Ubuntu. Retro pixel UI adds nostalgic charm.
Link to the full-length Unedited 1 hour Tutorial
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00:00 Introduction
00:30 SHOUT TO THE DEVELOPERS
00:45 Bass with alternating loop
00:56 Chord Memory
01:07 Akai Style Time Stretching
01:19 Loop and Chord
01:33 Does it stack up against a real amiga?
02:00 Jungle Warefare Original Sample Sources
02:40 The Experiment!
04:21 Testing The features
04:49 Automation
05:08 stretch automation
06:49 mad Stretching
07:32 Mad Stretching Outro
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To all future junglists, I think in the future 20+ years ahead, you will look back at an Amigo tune Era. it can do some dope shizzle!
Amigo has captured the essence of amiga sample editing/playback and put it on steriods.
Plenty of use and fun with this
I loved Trackers, but couldn't get to grips with making music. However, to keep connected to the scene, I started putting out PD samples under the name "Hash Cake 77." . I was using an Aura sampling cartridge. I can't remember how it happened, but I ended up doing official samples for Octamed. Didn't last long as by the late 90s, folks were migrating to PC. I still love watching anything tracker or octamed related
I use Amigo at 12bit sounds crunchy like the old Amiga sound, I also have Akaizer to add other fx for even more crunch, time stretch so its nearly dead on.
The method I use to automate parameters is right clicking on a particular parameter on a device/effect etc. Then the current value that parameter is set to will populate the column in a track. I do it this way as I find the automation graphic editor very fiddly, the shapes I draw always get messed up somehow and I have to go back over them quite often to make corrections. Regarding the plugin sound, I think it's great - not as crunchy as an Amiga but sounds closer to the S3200.
The Amiga version sounds more driven to me, you can hear the snare tails are louder. Maybe some additional clipping could remedy it to an extent. But the Amiga is also more tonal / midrangey. Interesting. For some applications the flatter sound of Amigo may actually work better in the mix. Like if you’re layering a break that isn’t your main break
Didn't expect such a big difference soundwise. WinUAE e.g. is so good at emulating the Paula sound that I couldn't tell the difference (compared to my 500). So obviously it can be done better.
Nice one! Was waiting for this. Thought it was only a matter of time before you did a vid on Amigo…
grabbed this a few weeks back, loads of fun and now its down to the artists to get creative with it, lots of potential
i got this...proper cheap..proper fun to use.well simple...my wish is that the devs will up the bitrate in the future.
Did you want 96k?
@@jamiecorke3195 That's sample rate, I'm guessing he wants 12 bit and I agree, would be nice
@@craigburton4447 yeah they've done an update now
It’s good enough to capture the essence. If the music is good enough, people aren’t gonna care what the breaks were sampled with, as long as it captures that magic from the 90’s.
Might not sound exactly the same but it's a lot of fun! For those that are in need of an Amiga and can't afford it should be really nice. A little tweak here and there and you can make it bangin for sure!
Agreed man, and some
For the money it ain't bad I paid a tenner for it but I watched your video about Tal sampler and to me that was better
I have paid £60 quid pluss for allot less used plugs in my time
Having come from that era, I think it’s really cool 💪🏻
Obviously you’re soundcard is going to make a difference
Still got the original samples 😂
Thanks for the comparison!
It would be interesting if you could make a high-quality recording of the Amiga's impulse response, and then use that with a convolver plugin following the Amigo.
The simplest way to capture the IR would probably to be to play an audio file which contains a peak which is one sample in length at the highest pitch on the Amiga.
If the result is useful, you could perhaps consider publishing the IR for others to use as well.
original amiga sounds way bigger from the off. I still like amigo plug tho - i use it
Bizzy would love to see you do a video on Koala sampler. I’ve got my head round it a bit more and it’s really helped me understanding production a bit more, and it’s super accessible using just a phone and headphones if that’s all you’ve got. BUT from a man of your calibre I’d be interested on your thoughts 🫡
I will check it out for sure
This is great content.
101 for more like this yo!!! big ups Bizzy
There’s trouble coming here 😂👌
I actually like amigo. Having not ever had the pleasure of using hardware or old analogue gear etc I've found 8t a great pluggin at a bargain price. Could defo hear the difference on the amiga and the snare did sound brighter and more crisp.
Nalstolga Bro!!!!
I must say my S2000 and S3000 are now gathering a lot of dust these days.
Let me know if you want to sell, I may be interested 😅
Can you do a video of a timestreched vocal please no body has shown this yet
i love my amiga & thank you biz` for doing your shizzle all these years :) :) :)
..p.s yup the amigo plugin is Very..nice tooo, well worth the monies :) :) ten pounds..ten pounds..lovely mmm :)
My pleasure!
Wait, there is DB-Force THE AMEN a free VST plugin. I'v made Lost in The Jungle (Amen Break) found on my YT channel. This is a music I always want to make. I have an Amiga 1200 but no power on me to make a music with it but I could manage to create a music - jungle - with amen breaks sound on Cakewalk DAW. Peace!
THis is dope. Thanks for letting us know. Too bad its just for PC. I dont use these annoying machines anymore. You never be able to make music as you always have to fix shit with this crap OS: You even see this in Bizzys Videos/DubPlate Warz shows.
@@bazooka4dakill Couldnt resist. Bought. Made a video with Amigo Sampler. Enjoy!
Amigo sounds great and does the u-law bit compression really well. I bet most commenters have no idea what u-law is and how you should approach it. So don't complain...
HW samplers just lost 90% of their value, back to the 2010 prices... 😮
funnily enough there is absolutely 0 mu-law algorithm going on here hehe
@@dariopotenza3962 so no bit compression algo, just the raw 8-bit? Guess LINN and others were ahead of their time thanks to the telephone guys inventing the u-law.
@@rikkshow Yeah its straight up floating point 32 to integer 8 bit qunatisation. We aren't sending a phone call across the atlantic, we just wanna make some crunchy beats hehe ;)
@@dariopotenza3962 OK cool. Well, both Roger Linn and Oberheim used u-law in their 8-bit drum machines IIRC. Perhaps something to consider if you want more flavors. Anyhow, I noticed the loop points start clicking after resampling. Probably because the waveform changed a little and the points are no longer at zero crossings. Maybe recalc the zero crossing position and adjust the loop point after each sample rate change? My guess you can probably find a new zero crossing close the where the loop point is, so within +/- a few samples?
It’s another tool to use, it ain’t gonna replace a decent hardware sampler as it has about 5% of the functionality of one.
There’s nothing in there that you cannot do in hardware.
But for a tenner it’s a bargain.
😎🤘😎🤘😎🤘
There's a free alternative called AmiSampler
Gonna check it out, thx
It sounds nothing like an Amiga, its a good laugh for a tena though.
Software samplers are a mess, if you just see them as a bit of fun and get one instead of a take away on a Saturday nite then thats fine.
If you want a real samplers get an old Akai.
Yeah its a good tool to use but no software can compare against hardware as its the Converters which makes the sound. As i said before you cant compare it to the real Amiga Hardware but its a cool tool to use as you can use it on all kind of samples and not just on fat drums. It def. has its place to be there and for a tenner its more than fair. I bought it just to support them.
No it doesn't sound like an Amiga, it doesn't have that crunchiness that was common on the Paula chip. I like the plugin but I don't think it's possible to emulate that stuff with software on the computer, it never sounds the same, people think it sounds the same... like you pointed out it does sound somewhat weird, if they can improve the sound it's a really good plugin to have around. On Renoise you can't drag a sample into a plugin like you can on any other DAW so it would be useful if the sample loading was better than it is right now.
haha. i wouldnt say it doesnt sound like an amiga.. it certainly does. Pretty fuckin close actually. Is it exact? no, but its pretty close and really fuckign cool. I mean stekker would know, he uses amiga to produce a lot of his own music. If i'd trust anyone to make a plugin like this its him.
Also, yes its possible to emulate that stuff. You've never messed with the pt2clone?
@@atetraxx You can try to emulate a chip but there' a lot of factors that add up. I've done tons of sampling on the Amiga since I was a kid, still have my Amiga sampler here. I bought the plugin mainly to support the effort and hopefully it keeps getting new releases.
Hey @farben_ I always appreciate your debate, it gets the crew talking!
@@TheBizzyBScience The time stretch on Amigo sounds really good I think we can all agree on that. Got to keep the comments rolling so the channel gets the algorithm going.
I agree the Amiga sounds way more "ballsy" and the Amigo more "middy". If you listen at position 2.55min you can clearly hear it, the snares sound wack. However functions like "Chord" are clearly taken from the "Juno"(Chord Memory) and not the Amiga. Also the Akai Timestretch obviously has nothing to do with the Amiga. Maybe whats mostly "Amiga*ish" is - is the Protracker Layout they ripped off for this plug in ? ;) But i think you can use it on lots of other instruments than Drums and therefore its cool. What would be interesting to hear is how it sounds IF you sample directly from the Amiga and use that Drumloop instead of sampling from a CD Source. Then it should sound the same. If not then they should rework the soundengine ;)
Doesnt sound like the Amiga though - that was clear in this demo.
it was not the same source sample though the one on amiga was already preprocessed most likely 3rd gen break + clipped, compressed, EQ'ed before being sampled into the amiga. so comparing it to a clean sample cd break into amigo is not a very accurate comparison
@@stekker1 Right, totally
Ez, bro! Great plug in regardless of the comparison. The amiga break was sampled on mastersound amiga sampler straight from big daddy lanes RAW track . I did not have any other processing options back in the day and it's been in my amiga library since. There's more lit amigo content coming, so hold tight more is on the way 🔥
@@TheBizzyBScience bigup
Big ups ,loving this plugin
Amigo sounds crap compared to the real thing but it is what it is I guess.
You think it sounds crap? I thought it was pretty close and definitely another cool tool in the box
It's a way to over exaggerated version of 8bit
And TAL's cleaner S1000 16bit emulation is a bit to tame
A real hardware S950 is where its at, especially for drums, it's the perfect middle ground, audibly gritty but not gimmicky so
Sounds fresh B :-) and seems way quicker than doing all the hardware messing..........I sometimes spend hours jamming on me nylon then sampling into the S950 and pitching down and then back into Ableton only to find that the next day I'm not feeling the idea I had the day before lol ! ........What usually happens though is I kind of go of into a whole new idea from bits of the sampling that I did the day before. I kind of like messing with all the hardware stuff as well as inside the DAW as it kind of gives me a break from playing with that mouse ! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥......still I might get this plugin, top video dude 🏆
Didnt know you like wearing nylons Ant ;) haha. You little fetish badbwoy. Yeah i hear ya mate. I have so often processed drums on one day, thought they were the superbst killer drums just to realize on the next day that it was way too much. Your ears work differently every day man.However, this plug in is defo worth the money for what it can do. Maybe not to try to get the Amiga sound, but i still have an Amiga 1200 if i want that sound. Anyway. modern Audio processing incl. Automation etc. makes your life way simpler these day even i like to use lots of hardware every time.