The "secret document" is just a request for Ysolda to provide more Cure Disease Potions and Toilet Paper for the Legion encampments, at the usual price. COVID-19 has put a great strain on the usual supply lines, and General Tullius doesn't trust Maven Black-Briar not to send to cheap stuff that scratches everyone's asshole, like she did last time. 😂
I never knew you could change sides mid-campaign and give the crown to the other side. It's amazing how after ten years I'm still learning stuff about this game
@Xyyton What? Do the Imperial soldiers not prompt you to join the Legion? Though if you join the the Stormcloaks immediately after finishing the prologue, then I suppose it makes some sense.
@Xyyton Follow Hadvar instead of Ralof when you start a new game. there's two doors to the fort you enter when you're escaping Alduin Follow Follow Hadvar to the far left door and he will lead you to the Imperial Questline.
I don't think they know the details of th engagement, you're the first one reporting back. Even then, neither seems like the type to care about a few dead soldiers over the main objective, as cold as that sounds.
*Me deep into the campaign's 3rd act with the sole purpose of completion with 0 kills at endgame* Why would they? I'm the victim here! It's that PSYCHO , Lydia! She has this grudge after I made her carry 400 giant's toes and just keeps stalking me. I never killed any of them! Really, I'm being stalked. The guards act like they don't know because they're bigoted nords who hate outsiders. She showed up in Breezehome last night. I woke up and she was sitting there at the foot of my bed staring at my wife she just said I smell different when I'm awake, walked out calmly, and then sharpened a dagger at the whetstone next door for 6 consecutive hours.
*Proceeds to open Tullius's message* *then gives it to Ulfric* Imagine if you could just constantly keep playing both sides until roughly the final battle.
Wouldn't work the other way though. If you have ulfrics axe to tullius he'd just be like "gee thanks!" Since it doesn't make sense as a declaration of war on tullius.
Kind of unrelated but one of my favorite Tullius lines is if you exit dialogue with him before saying anything he’ll say “Is there something I can do for you? Perhaps direct you to the nearest prison?” Absolute savagery lmao. Also if you do join the legion he’s just “And I’m sure your being imprisoned was just a huge misunderstanding….” Not even realize that it literally was
I wouldn’t say it was a misunderstanding, it’s pretty accepted lore-wise the Dragonborn was trying to illegally cross the border from Cyrodiil to Skyrim and got walked right into an Imperial ambush along with the Stormcloak soldiers. Now the PC attempted execution, yeah that was definitely a mistake lol.
@@IbexGundyr it was def a mistake but tbf he could’ve been lumped in with the rebels or the more plausible one was that with Ulfric in line for the chopping block they really didn’t wanna waste any time deliberating between which prisoner lives and which doesn’t so as to really speed up the process so that Ulfric gets beheaded and the Stormcloaks lose their general-king
@@issstari954well, Tullius was trying to kill Ulfric right there and then to end the civil war, he didn't know that both you and Lokir are not a stormcloak, but since the thalmor were up his ass back at Helgen to release ulfric, he had no choice.
@@bunnitomoe3866 True true but you can say strictly speaking Tullius was breaking imperial law in trying to execute the player I know they did for gameplay reasons but they actually would of started with Tullius first as to demoralize the rebellion no reason they couldnt have
It would have been lit to start a third party rebellion either by directly fighting both sides and gain followers who are more moderate or play both sides while secretly amassing a force to take Skyrim for yourself and give her the true ruler it deserves
From a gameplay perspective, it would be awesome From a lore perspective, it's the same as the Stormcloak rebellion, it would endanger the empire and races of men from the next Thalmor campaign.
Yeah I can’t really see a reason for it either, what would the dragonborn rally people under? The fact they’re player 1 and only their actions can change the game? People already complain about that enough, no thank you
@@beau9334 but you see the dragonborn is the hero if skyrim not just by name but by action he literally goes around helping people and making sure people live safely all while protecting them from bigger threats all you need to do is give this man some charisma and people Will rally around his actions which everyone view's as for the good of skyrim
@@OLDSACKS expect this rebellion have a king who can actually use shouts to fight in a war, dragons to aid him, possibly vampire or vampire hunters joining him and the bend will that in theory can let him enslave people and gain EVEN more dragon allies and we haven't even touched on the skill trees or equipments yet
Feels a bit too much like the Wild Card ending in New Vegas, but at the same time the Civil War isn't integral to the main plot of Skyrim, it's more like a backdrop setting. I assume the biggest issue with making the Dragonborn the ruler of Skyrim being that if you can do that before you face Auldin there really wouldn't be much of a reason why you don't lead an entire army to face him by the end of the game. No way in hell could Bethesda's game engine handle that. That also kind of goes against the way the main characters are handled in the Elder Scrolls, they're always these larger than life big damn Heroes that become legendary figures who slip into history. They never become Kings or Polticians because they're too busy scouring the world, you're an adventurer at heart, not some busybody pencil pushing politician.
Imagine if Tullius thought you were a spy and gave you a scroll with a picture of a hand flipping the bird. Or to make it even funnier, you actually do your job and give it to Balgruff.
I love Tullius. He is a smart man, but also very humble and noble. He literally gave you a seat and sits next to you like a father would, rather than acting like a pompous narc like Ulfric. Ulfric doesn't even have the manners to step down from his high-chair and talk to you eye-to-eye.
You're kidding right? Ulfric doesn't have to be in the chair for you to give him the crown same with Tullius. I can't believe you made chance a reason to praise Tullius...
All the Jarls do that. Literally all of them. They speak to you from a Throne, whereas Tulius doesn't have one because he's merely a military officer. He's trained to be humble and obey a sovereign. You also took an in-game animation and used it to favor one character over the other and by extension one whole side over the other. You should be a gymnast because that's quite a stretch.
@@waluigi3515 literally. You can go up to Ulfric's bed chamber and interrupt him in his sleep to do this. Timing and daily schedule is no reason to despise an NPC like this. But it's fairly typical to do that among the Imperials-for-life.
Jagged Crown should be used for the Dragonborn to be king or Queen of the dragons and rule Skyrim as an anonymous figure and only the Greybeards would know, just to keep the rpg element of the game, just staying
Just pickpocket it onto Hadvar/Ralof before you leave the tomb and bring your faction leader a bag full of air (they can't recognise the difference). Afterwards look for Hadvar/Ralof in the Riverwood Inn and take back what's rightfully yours. Just so you know when you place the crown onto Hadvar/Ralof it shows 0% even though it is not. It will work eventually.
Gee people Why do you always have such a high opinion of your characters Why do you so desperately want the Dragonborn to be a king or a jarl or an emperor and he should own everything Maybe the Dragonborn just wants to wonder the wide world, engage on a long journey, visit new continents like the Nerevarine seek wisdom instead of glory....
until the Dragonborn disappears as lore wise at the end of the final dlc ever Elder Scrolls protagonist disappears, the nerevarine went to akavir, the Hero of Kvatch becomes the shegorath we meet in skyrim etc
@@Zomboy123456789 There are poisons that work by touch. Contact Poison. Ricin is a pretty nasty one, was involved in a pretty famous case in the 70's as the poisoned used to kill a Russian exile. You probably know about Poison Ivy, makes you itchy. Thallium poisoning can mess you up.
What part of contact poison exists you don't understand? What poison you use in game tell me? You force the bandits you kill in the game to drink the poisons? Analyze and think before saying those bullshits.
I remember when I gave the crown to Tullius, I exited the building and I saw Ralof running down the Solitude Streets saying he’ll have my head on his wall while being chased by 4 solitude guards
10 fucking years and i didnt even know this was an option i just assumed they wouldnt have had anything written for traitors with how linear the quest lines are
"You have been seen conversing with the enemy, I have every reason to distrust you. Now go deliver this highly sensitive message and return with the answer (which will determine the movement of our main force)"
Ulfric: You’re doing some sketchy shit. The fuck you doing? I don’t trust you, but I guess I feel inclined to give you a mission. Meanwhile Tullius: Oh damn, you was in Helgen? Cool. Here, have extremely classified documents. Go deliver them to whiterun. Bye
I mean, it's spiky, it could poison you if it broke your skin. Maybe it could be a poison that gets absorbed into the skin and into the bloodstream. I know rat poison can be absorbed like that There might be more poisons like that.
Skyrim is a game where reverse pickpocketing a bottle of poison into someone's pocket successfully poisons them; Ulfric was right to consider that as a possibility.
Ulfric be like: you gave us the crown? No...you must be a spy...ah whatever go give this axe to the jarl Tullius be like: Wat? you gave us the crown?...ah i see, you want to be both sides, fine now send this secret message to the jarl
01:31 'What makes you think I'm interested in someone like you for the legion?' Says one of the empire's generals, despite the Empire's army highly prizing orcish soldiers and smiths.
"NoOnE kNoWs how you got mixed up in that affair at Helgen." Bro, you were there. You and your men didn't even try to say that thief and I weren't implicit with you.
Yeah, make the guy who wants to change sides deliver critical diplomatic objects from point A to point B. Definitely a valid test of strength and commitment, and definitely a safe thing to do with your political affairs , and a good idea in general.
When it comes to Tullius, are there separate audio's of him saying his line "We have it on good authority" Because the one in this video seems quicker and more to the point (not sure how to describe it, in tone, not words) then when i play as siding with the legion straight out.
See I wish this was a third option of playing both sides or creating your own faction, and claiming the city for yourself and deem yourself king of skyrim or he'll do away with the king ship and make a council.
Exactly, why can't we just declare ourselves the High King through our right as Dragonborn and the slayer of Alduin the WORLD-EATER? While we're at it, duel both Tullius and Ulfric in on the condition of calling a moot so we can see what the Jarls think about having us as their king.
Ulfric got ambushed by a foreign general in his homeland within months. Battles are won by men but Wars are won through logistics and tactics. I choose the empire to lead men for the next great war.
I've played both sides of the war and betrayed the stormcloaks with the crown on a few but never have I seen this side. an orc legionary switching sides because he doesn't respect the imperial legion anymore is kinda a cool playthrough idea as well.
Now that I think about it, that horse thief who died running away from an execution got the easiest and fastest death compared to everything else in Skyrim. Not even the Stormcloak soldier and Roggvir gets a much lower death timer. That damn horse thief got dinked by an iron arrow and went straight to Sovngarde before we even had the opportunity to interact with him..lucky..
So weak. Skyrim was promised to be so much more. I bet most people watching this don't even realize that the dragon war lore was introduced in Skyrim. Previous games mentioned nothing about it but previous games did mention in heavy detail that the nords followed their own Gods and not the gods of the empire. "None of Hail, sleet, or gale shall halt Kyn sky children."
Just betrayed the legion in my current playthrough. I would never join them because I'm a strong believer in the 1st amendment. Are you able to read the secret document?
Lol this is peak Skyrim. Not only are you able to walk around Ulfric's hall when they know you're their enemy, you can convince him that you're on his side because "Trust me bro", and on top of that they just let you walk out of there with the crown if you change your mins. Bethesda sure played it way too safe with Skyrim. None of the choises you make don't _really_ have an impact on the world. You're an imperial enforcer? Come on in to Jarl Ulfric's house, we don't mind! You resurrect dead corpses in the College of Winterhold? Sure, necromancy's been forbidden for hudereds of years, but we'll just shurg it off. You never really have to sacrifice anything in that game.
Personally Id would have liked it if I could've given the crown to balgruuf and convinced him to pursue becoming high king, he has the right after all, whiterun is the original seat of the kingdom of skyrim and balgruuf has an ancestor olaf one-eye who was king at one point. But ol' balgruuf don't wanna.
i never really explored the main plot lines of Skyrim (just spent most of my time fencing stolen goods to the thieves guild and getting sent into orbit by giants). Was there are way to betray both the stormcloaks and the imperials so they both suffered losses or did you definitively have to pick a side? I never liked either of them so never really got anywhere with those questlines.
So satisfying to start out joining the Legion only to immediately betray the crown to Ulfric Stormcloak and defect to the Rebel Army. Of course, this one did spare Rikke from being executed alongside Tullius and instead convinced the former Legate to swear fealty to Ulfric's noble cause. This one also married Rikke shortly after attending Jarl Ulfric's victory speech. 🍺
tullius goes from "you're playing both sides" to "here take this secret document to the jarl of whiterun for me pls" in 2 lines of dialogue
"It just works"
Both sides are also dumb for just sending away their most recent recruit with a artifact of highly cultural(?) value
The "secret document" is just a request for Ysolda to provide more Cure Disease Potions and Toilet Paper for the Legion encampments, at the usual price. COVID-19 has put a great strain on the usual supply lines, and General Tullius doesn't trust Maven Black-Briar not to send to cheap stuff that scratches everyone's asshole, like she did last time.
😂
@@GlidingZephyr Jeez!
Dumb I know, tho Ulric's idea of a poisoned crown isn't any better, it's like he plans to eat the crown or smth.
I never knew you could change sides mid-campaign and give the crown to the other side. It's amazing how after ten years I'm still learning stuff about this game
I just found out Lmaooo
Is it really mid campaign tho? I thought it's up until the Battle of Whiterun, which is pretty early on.
@@CameronKiesser I meant more as in an ongoing campaign, not the literal midpoint
@Xyyton What? Do the Imperial soldiers not prompt you to join the Legion? Though if you join the the Stormcloaks immediately after finishing the prologue, then I suppose it makes some sense.
@Xyyton Follow Hadvar instead of Ralof when you start a new game. there's two doors to the fort you enter when you're escaping Alduin Follow Follow Hadvar to the far left door and he will lead you to the Imperial Questline.
I like how neither of them bring up the fact that you slaughtered dozens of their soldiers to get that crown
I don't think they know the details of th engagement, you're the first one reporting back. Even then, neither seems like the type to care about a few dead soldiers over the main objective, as cold as that sounds.
How? Their in pre-medieval times. You know how quick news travel during that period
Hey, if one soldier can best dozens of your others, it's probably a worthwhile trade.
It just means that you're good enough to replace all of them.
*Me deep into the campaign's 3rd act with the sole purpose of completion with 0 kills at endgame*
Why would they? I'm the victim here! It's that PSYCHO , Lydia! She has this grudge after I made her carry 400 giant's toes and just keeps stalking me. I never killed any of them! Really, I'm being stalked. The guards act like they don't know because they're bigoted nords who hate outsiders.
She showed up in Breezehome last night. I woke up and she was sitting there at the foot of my bed staring at my wife she just said I smell different when I'm awake, walked out calmly, and then sharpened a dagger at the whetstone next door for 6 consecutive hours.
*Proceeds to open Tullius's message*
*then gives it to Ulfric*
Imagine if you could just constantly keep playing both sides until roughly the final battle.
you'd get disowned by both sides pretty quickly but it'd still be funny.
Wouldn't work the other way though. If you have ulfrics axe to tullius he'd just be like "gee thanks!" Since it doesn't make sense as a declaration of war on tullius.
And then they both turn on you but only the Dragonborn walks out alive so Skyrim belongs to the DB by process of elimination
@@TnD_BigJax Both sides argue whether or not there's 9 divines. They're wrong. There's 10, and that 10th one is fucking ME
@@kingkarmaah8847 must have been fun
The way that the cup is placed when talking to Tulius is amazing
I thought I was the only one who noticed that
Yeah Tulius is happy to take a dump while discussing important matters. Says a lot!
Oh thank you I thought I was the only one.
I love how the Dragonborn sits with General Tullius like they're in a Wes Anderson film.
Kind of unrelated but one of my favorite Tullius lines is if you exit dialogue with him before saying anything he’ll say “Is there something I can do for you? Perhaps direct you to the nearest prison?” Absolute savagery lmao. Also if you do join the legion he’s just “And I’m sure your being imprisoned was just a huge misunderstanding….” Not even realize that it literally was
I wouldn’t say it was a misunderstanding, it’s pretty accepted lore-wise the Dragonborn was trying to illegally cross the border from Cyrodiil to Skyrim and got walked right into an Imperial ambush along with the Stormcloak soldiers. Now the PC attempted execution, yeah that was definitely a mistake lol.
@@IbexGundyr it was def a mistake but tbf he could’ve been lumped in with the rebels or the more plausible one was that with Ulfric in line for the chopping block they really didn’t wanna waste any time deliberating between which prisoner lives and which doesn’t so as to really speed up the process so that Ulfric gets beheaded and the Stormcloaks lose their general-king
@@IbexGundyr It was also against imperial law for that to be a crime worthy of execution
@@issstari954well, Tullius was trying to kill Ulfric right there and then to end the civil war, he didn't know that both you and Lokir are not a stormcloak, but since the thalmor were up his ass back at Helgen to release ulfric, he had no choice.
@@bunnitomoe3866 True true but you can say strictly speaking Tullius was breaking imperial law in trying to execute the player I know they did for gameplay reasons but they actually would of started with Tullius first as to demoralize the rebellion no reason they couldnt have
I would like to thank that goblet for shielding us from the General's balls.
Lmao. That's the only thing I could look at.
It would have been lit to start a third party rebellion either by directly fighting both sides and gain followers who are more moderate or play both sides while secretly amassing a force to take Skyrim for yourself and give her the true ruler it deserves
From a gameplay perspective, it would be awesome
From a lore perspective, it's the same as the Stormcloak rebellion, it would endanger the empire and races of men from the next Thalmor campaign.
Yeah I can’t really see a reason for it either, what would the dragonborn rally people under? The fact they’re player 1 and only their actions can change the game? People already complain about that enough, no thank you
@@beau9334 but you see the dragonborn is the hero if skyrim not just by name but by action he literally goes around helping people and making sure people live safely all while protecting them from bigger threats all you need to do is give this man some charisma and people Will rally around his actions which everyone view's as for the good of skyrim
@@OLDSACKS expect this rebellion have a king who can actually use shouts to fight in a war, dragons to aid him, possibly vampire or vampire hunters joining him and the bend will that in theory can let him enslave people and gain EVEN more dragon allies
and we haven't even touched on the skill trees or equipments yet
Feels a bit too much like the Wild Card ending in New Vegas, but at the same time the Civil War isn't integral to the main plot of Skyrim, it's more like a backdrop setting.
I assume the biggest issue with making the Dragonborn the ruler of Skyrim being that if you can do that before you face Auldin there really wouldn't be much of a reason why you don't lead an entire army to face him by the end of the game. No way in hell could Bethesda's game engine handle that.
That also kind of goes against the way the main characters are handled in the Elder Scrolls, they're always these larger than life big damn Heroes that become legendary figures who slip into history. They never become Kings or Polticians because they're too busy scouring the world, you're an adventurer at heart, not some busybody pencil pushing politician.
Imagine if Tullius thought you were a spy and gave you a scroll with a picture of a hand flipping the bird.
Or to make it even funnier, you actually do your job and give it to Balgruff.
It would have been great to have a third option where the Dragonborn keeps the crown for themselves and starts their own faction to rule skyrim
Yeah that would be awesome
Bethesda is too lazy to ever create that lol
@@nainorotodox The civil war was a really big missed opportunity.
Or becomes the High King or Queen of Skyrim.
Would be a pretty sick mod.
I like how during Tullius's part you had the goblet covering the bottom open part of his armour, nice little detail if it was one.
I appreciate how kid friendly this channel is, censoring Tulllius's crotch like that
i have not even notice XD XD XD XD XD
This Tullius scene was masterfully put together
You can play Skyrim for 10 years and still it will surprise you everytime
I love Tullius. He is a smart man, but also very humble and noble. He literally gave you a seat and sits next to you like a father would, rather than acting like a pompous narc like Ulfric. Ulfric doesn't even have the manners to step down from his high-chair and talk to you eye-to-eye.
“You just handed me the crown after I accused you of playing both sides, take this important missive to the jarl of Whiterun.”
You're kidding right? Ulfric doesn't have to be in the chair for you to give him the crown same with Tullius. I can't believe you made chance a reason to praise Tullius...
Theme empire simps are getting out of hand.
All the Jarls do that. Literally all of them. They speak to you from a Throne, whereas Tulius doesn't have one because he's merely a military officer. He's trained to be humble and obey a sovereign. You also took an in-game animation and used it to favor one character over the other and by extension one whole side over the other. You should be a gymnast because that's quite a stretch.
@@waluigi3515 literally. You can go up to Ulfric's bed chamber and interrupt him in his sleep to do this. Timing and daily schedule is no reason to despise an NPC like this. But it's fairly typical to do that among the Imperials-for-life.
So what you’re telling me is I can skip doing the whole Ice Wrath thing? Hallelujah
Clear out a bandit fort instead I suppose.
Just sitting on bench doing gangsta deals with Tulius.
I like how some guy randomly decides to yawn in the background while Tulius talks about important things.
Bro literally didn’t know about this dialogue only ever choose each respective faction from the start and never thought of trying this
Jagged Crown should be used for the Dragonborn to be king or Queen of the dragons and rule Skyrim as an anonymous figure and only the Greybeards would know, just to keep the rpg element of the game, just staying
Just pickpocket it onto Hadvar/Ralof before you leave the tomb and bring your faction leader a bag full of air (they can't recognise the difference). Afterwards look for Hadvar/Ralof in the Riverwood Inn and take back what's rightfully yours.
Just so you know when you place the crown onto Hadvar/Ralof it shows 0% even though it is not. It will work eventually.
Gee people Why do you always have such a high opinion of your characters
Why do you so desperately want the Dragonborn to be a king or a jarl or an emperor and he should own everything
Maybe the Dragonborn just wants to wonder the wide world, engage on a long journey, visit new continents like the Nerevarine seek wisdom instead of glory....
@@hoshueyeplopper4465 Using paralyzing spells also makes pickpocketing a lot easier, you don't even need to try multiple times to the RNG bless you
until the Dragonborn disappears as lore wise at the end of the final dlc ever Elder Scrolls protagonist disappears, the nerevarine went to akavir, the Hero of Kvatch becomes the shegorath we meet in skyrim etc
@@wolves600 going by that trend, the dragonborn becomes the new champion of Hermaeus Mora and probably got lost somewhere in Apocrypha.
"Poisoned perhaps?"
Ah yes the good ol poisoned edible crown trick!
10 years and i didnt know you could do that. I thought once the oath was taken youre in. Really cool that you can betray either side like that.
Ulfric Stormcloak: Is the crown poisoned?
Dragon born: Is eating crowns some kind of nordic tradition?
Honestly when it comes to him it is not the dumbest thing I would expect him to do...
@@Zomboy123456789 There are poisons that work by touch. Contact Poison. Ricin is a pretty nasty one, was involved in a pretty famous case in the 70's as the poisoned used to kill a Russian exile. You probably know about Poison Ivy, makes you itchy. Thallium poisoning can mess you up.
@@supapiece3439 now I just picture a moody Ulfric going on about how itchy his head is
What part of contact poison exists you don't understand? What poison you use in game tell me? You force the bandits you kill in the game to drink the poisons?
Analyze and think before saying those bullshits.
I remember when I gave the crown to Tullius, I exited the building and I saw Ralof running down the Solitude Streets saying he’ll have my head on his wall while being chased by 4 solitude guards
Bro I love how you sat down next to tullius like that on that tiny ass bench. That’s mad personal 😂
Huh... Nine years later and yet I am still discovering new things about this game. How much content did Bethesda add to Skyrim.
Just enough for it to be a 10 year anniversary
10 fucking years and i didnt even know this was an option i just assumed they wouldnt have had anything written for traitors with how linear the quest lines are
I like the awkward talk style with Tullius on a bench
*Love these videos.*
Ha nice touch that goblet at 1:56
"You have been seen conversing with the enemy, I have every reason to distrust you. Now go deliver this highly sensitive message and return with the answer (which will determine the movement of our main force)"
After all my years of playing skyrim I never knew you could do this
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but the thought of the jagged crown being poisoned is wild
Ulfric: You’re doing some sketchy shit. The fuck you doing? I don’t trust you, but I guess I feel inclined to give you a mission.
Meanwhile
Tullius: Oh damn, you was in Helgen? Cool. Here, have extremely classified documents. Go deliver them to whiterun. Bye
Ulfric practically disarms himself, the very heart of his rebellion in front of a possible enemy, a dragonborn no less. He's no better.
imagine siding with the empire when at the start of the game they were going to cut your head off.
That chalice is perfectly placed where Tullius is sitting!
It's like some random hobo showing up at the White House carrying the Football in a backpack.
Strategically placed cup
Poisonous crown? Did he think that the general wanted him lick it? Lmao
I mean, it's spiky, it could poison you if it broke your skin. Maybe it could be a poison that gets absorbed into the skin and into the bloodstream. I know rat poison can be absorbed like that There might be more poisons like that.
@@Alex-mc5yn that's still a bit of a stretch dawg
Yes
Skyrim is a game where reverse pickpocketing a bottle of poison into someone's pocket successfully poisons them; Ulfric was right to consider that as a possibility.
Ulfric be like: you gave us the crown? No...you must be a spy...ah whatever go give this axe to the jarl
Tullius be like: Wat? you gave us the crown?...ah i see, you want to be both sides, fine now send this secret message to the jarl
Perfect cup placement XD.
I like how’s he’s just sitting next to tulius.
What’s amazing is that technically you side with doc Mitchell when siding with the imperials
This is like the only time they reference seeing you in Helgen
Like many, I never knew about this. Awesome.
01:31
'What makes you think I'm interested in someone like you for the legion?'
Says one of the empire's generals, despite the Empire's army highly prizing orcish soldiers and smiths.
Sometimes it's best to play hard to get.
He was talking about him being a prisoner.
@@catsareyes6446 That makes more sense
I always pickpocket the crown nowadays, no one but my character shall have it!
“Remember, joining the legion is for life”
After the war: “well gtfo we don’t need you anymore”
I did this with my mage. She was too fragile to clear an entire bandit lair, so I joined the Stormcloaks then betrayed them to for the legion.
shows up naked only wearing the crown...
tullius: "oh so you're trying to play both sides, is that it? what do you really want?"
That cup on the table infront of Tulius makes it look like he's not wearing any underwear under that "battle-dress". :)
Oh I just realized general tullius has the same voice actor as commander baily in mass effect
Old Doc Mitchell disguised as the Legion’s General; irony in that.
That's one convenient cup at the General's table
Daddy tullius for the win
"NoOnE kNoWs how you got mixed up in that affair at Helgen."
Bro, you were there. You and your men didn't even try to say that thief and I weren't implicit with you.
Thank you for this, I could never betray the Stormcloaks.
I love that the goblet is positioned in a way that it censors Tulius' crotch.
Sounds like he's saying to "take this ass the the Jarl of Whiterun."
Yeah, make the guy who wants to change sides deliver critical diplomatic objects from point A to point B. Definitely a valid test of strength and commitment, and definitely a safe thing to do with your political affairs , and a good idea in general.
Why does tullius trust you so much “here’s the pentagon papers. Deliver them”
When it comes to Tullius, are there separate audio's of him saying his line "We have it on good authority" Because the one in this video seems quicker and more to the point (not sure how to describe it, in tone, not words) then when i play as siding with the legion straight out.
Thank god for that chalice blocking the view of Tullius’s upskirt...don’t need that visual XD
Did you intentionally place that cup to cover Tullius' "ding dong" as he sits?
I didn't even know you could do this.
Well I guess we saw both generals sitting on a throne while talking to Dovahkiin...
See I wish this was a third option of playing both sides or creating your own faction, and claiming the city for yourself and deem yourself king of skyrim or he'll do away with the king ship and make a council.
Exactly, why can't we just declare ourselves the High King through our right as Dragonborn and the slayer of Alduin the WORLD-EATER? While we're at it, duel both Tullius and Ulfric in on the condition of calling a moot so we can see what the Jarls think about having us as their king.
what if you take those documents to ulfric? 🤣🤣
Now I'm curious whether you could betray Tulius again by delivering those documents to Ulfric
Ulfric got ambushed by a foreign general in his homeland within months. Battles are won by men but Wars are won through logistics and tactics. I choose the empire to lead men for the next great war.
I've done 5 full playthroughs with both side campaigns complete. I still love the stormcloaks best.
Dragonborn orc doesn't like eye contact
I've played both sides of the war and betrayed the stormcloaks with the crown on a few but never have I seen this side. an orc legionary switching sides because he doesn't respect the imperial legion anymore is kinda a cool playthrough idea as well.
Now that I think about it, that horse thief who died running away from an execution got the easiest and fastest death compared to everything else in Skyrim. Not even the Stormcloak soldier and Roggvir gets a much lower death timer.
That damn horse thief got dinked by an iron arrow and went straight to Sovngarde before we even had the opportunity to interact with him..lucky..
Sovngarde? Much likely to some Oblivion realm rather than sovngarde.
So weak. Skyrim was promised to be so much more. I bet most people watching this don't even realize that the dragon war lore was introduced in Skyrim. Previous games mentioned nothing about it but previous games did mention in heavy detail that the nords followed their own Gods and not the gods of the empire. "None of Hail, sleet, or gale shall halt Kyn sky children."
I tend to betray the Empire and join the Stormcloaks although I always keep the crown for myself
Good. Stormcloaks are better anyway.
Ah yes 100% trust.
Speech 100
Can you still keep the crown when switching sides?
Just betrayed the legion in my current playthrough. I would never join them because I'm a strong believer in the 1st amendment. Are you able to read the secret document?
I like how he's just sitting beside Tullius, like a friend, discussing about the last World Cup.😂
Tullius is a great pincushion
I wander what they both would say after you betray them
I appreciate Tullis' "modesty goblet" so we can't see up his skirt.
Too bad there isn't a solution where we can just fight a war against the thalmor instead
I had no idea this was a thing.
Lol this is peak Skyrim. Not only are you able to walk around Ulfric's hall when they know you're their enemy, you can convince him that you're on his side because "Trust me bro", and on top of that they just let you walk out of there with the crown if you change your mins.
Bethesda sure played it way too safe with Skyrim. None of the choises you make don't _really_ have an impact on the world. You're an imperial enforcer? Come on in to Jarl Ulfric's house, we don't mind! You resurrect dead corpses in the College of Winterhold? Sure, necromancy's been forbidden for hudereds of years, but we'll just shurg it off.
You never really have to sacrifice anything in that game.
Personally Id would have liked it if I could've given the crown to balgruuf and convinced him to pursue becoming high king, he has the right after all, whiterun is the original seat of the kingdom of skyrim and balgruuf has an ancestor olaf one-eye who was king at one point. But ol' balgruuf don't wanna.
Do they have any unique dialogue if you go back to them after betraying them?
Are there any other points you can switch sides I wonder
nice censorship cup on tullius
AS A STORMCOLAK
Hold up, can you join the empire and wait until the jagged crown quest then join the storm cloaks to see if they go there and yatta yatta
Dude I didn't know you could do that
I always choose to be high king with mods I'm like I'm tired of me having to bow and sacrifice for y'all
I didn't know this was a thing oh my God I missed out
i never really explored the main plot lines of Skyrim (just spent most of my time fencing stolen goods to the thieves guild and getting sent into orbit by giants). Was there are way to betray both the stormcloaks and the imperials so they both suffered losses or did you definitively have to pick a side? I never liked either of them so never really got anywhere with those questlines.
does Ulfric say anything special if you bring him the axe after betraying the stormcloaks ?
So if you steal the crown from ulfrics friend can you also give it to tullius and what would be the repercussions of that
So satisfying to start out joining the Legion only to immediately betray the crown to Ulfric Stormcloak and defect to the Rebel Army. Of course, this one did spare Rikke from being executed alongside Tullius and instead convinced the former Legate to swear fealty to Ulfric's noble cause. This one also married Rikke shortly after attending Jarl Ulfric's victory speech. 🍺
And the Thalmor?
They won't leave you in peace
I'll have some assassins take care of them
@@RestlessRebel No need, this one has already made plans to solo the entire Dominion in their own homeland. This one is Dovahkiin after all.
@@Wand079 Tread carefully friend... This one does not take kindly to racism.
@@DovahkiinKhajiit "Does not take kindly to racism"
*Joins the Stormcloaks*
D O E S N O T C O M P U T E
@@Zomboy123456789 Imperials are no better. This one joined the army who didn't attempt to remove this one's head with an axe.