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1:13:15 Jane Manning ... if you go to the official church history story about her, you will find that she was not sealed to the Smiths as a slave posthumously but when she was still alive but by proxy because of the ban. So the church would not let her participate in the ceremony that was directly for her.
This is the quote from the official version - note the other, usual temple ordinances were done posthumously, but the "sealed as a slave" ceremony (slave not servant because theres no such thing as a paid servant in the afterlife) was done some years before she passed and decades after the end of slavery in the US. "Church leaders eventually allowed her to be sealed by proxy into the Joseph Smith family as a servant in 1894, a unique occurrence. Although she did not receive the temple endowment or family sealings during her lifetime, these ordinances were performed in her behalf in 1979. She died April 16, 1908, at the age of 85, always a faithful Latter-day Saint."
I’m in Utah and i literally watched Porn Hub this afternoon… did they just ban subscriptions? Cause I just watch for free… Spoke too soon… yep it isn’t working anymore. Oh well, it’s not like there aren’t other sites with the exact same content. Banning the Hub didn’t really do anything.
The STATE literally just started controlling what we are allowed to watch, in such a soviet style, that even tho I'm not interested in porn, it's a very dangerous precedent for them controlling EVERYTHING we see. Every website that doesn't jive with them controlling us, forcing us to register our ID with the government in order to watch something is terrifying. Especially when this same group of people would clutch their pearls if you suggested increasing regulation of buying or possessing a gun.
Tanner, your hair looks great! You guys are so brilliant. I left the church in January after 40 years. Your videos have been extremely helpful in my healing process so far
He says "there will always be reasons to doubt..." I just think the best way to end that sentence is like this: "There will always be reasons to doubt wrong things."
A few months ago I found one of your videos by chance (this was when I was questioning my faith)- since then I’ve binged-watched so many of your videos. I can’t leave the church right now as I’m still living with believing parents but thank you for helping me mentally get out of this harmful cult
About the haircut; years ago I had a friend who was a Reformed Rabbi. He once waggled a finger at me and advised me that, "To not give a f-ck conveys a terrible power upon a man," something I took to heart. It's true! Simply not caring gives you a weird kind of immunity to the madness of others that we all need now. I have my barber take a hedgetrimmer to my hair to show it who's boss. I am strangely happy!
Recently read a talk from 1995 where rusty nelson “advised against interracial marriages” I guess technically the church never got over that one. My mind was blown!
I am addicted to this channel holy shit. Tanner always provides great historical context and analysis and Samantha validates so many of my emotional reactions to what Tanner shares. Thank y’all so much. Once I secure my new job I’ll absolutely be supporting on patreon ❤
I'm not one to really push people to stand against someone unless they have done something heinous. But y'all plugging Jimmy has put a bad taste in my mouth. He has a history of treating his fans poorly and retaliating against even the fairest of criticism. If y'all want to be friends with him, that's on you. But actively telling people to go support him when he hasn't been good to his fans isn't great.
I completely agree with you. It's giving "reputation rehab through a smaller channel", and I'm not here for it 🙃 Jimmy's behaviour throughout the Rachel Oates saga was more than a little off-putting.
I really appreciate your videos, they have really opened my eyes to so many things that I couldn’t comprehend before. I was raised Baptist and my church was always a non toxic community so it made it harder to see the truth about the actual religion instead of facts vs feelings
I used to watch Jimmy a lot but his behaviour a couple of years back really put a bad taste in my mouth, personally. His response to even very gentle criticism wasn't encouraging that he'd change, so I haven't gone back. Unless I catch wind of him growing out of that, I'm not going to be comfortable over there.
As an relative of PPPratt, it was he who was shot and killed by his 12 th wife’s husband ( never divorced). Big drama! The murder occurred In Arkansas which later led to the revenge killings of mountain meadows massacre.
I think the Mountain Meadows rationale was only a cover story. The real or true reason for the massacre was that Brigham wanted & got the gold that the wagon train carried. :.
My testimony of you 2 is sooo strong! ;D (If Laban was really so bad a nation would perish in unbelief under him, good point God could've smote him Himself.) I wonder what "increased" Parley's faith.
"You need to doubt your doubts...." As someone constantly over-thinking EVERYTHING... this is oddly good advice for me for some reason.... lol Like, it's probably likely I over-think everything due to the mormon upbringing... but if I could just trust myself more, I'd achieve so much more. Can we like reframe that "doubt your doubts" and put it on a t-shirt or something? LOL.
I’m an over thinker too. Solidarity. We gotta learn when to just be at peace and trust the process…while still thinking critically…it’s a hard rope to walk lol
Weeks/months/years trying to find truth and able to understand and leave the church, all the tears, sleepless nights, only to be accused of ‘being stylish. Such a lack of empathy, but that is what is taught
So.... check me on this: he's a historian, right? Because there were so many weird inaccuracies in the stories he told. For example, John Taylor was English, not Canadian. Yes, he met Parley P. Pratt in Canada and joined the church there, but he was still English. Aunt Jane was still very much alive in 1894 when she was sealed by proxy to be Joseph's eternal slave. It wasn't posthumous. She passed from this world in 1908. She wasn't allowed in the temple even for this odd sealing, so a nice white woman stood in proxy for her while she awaited news of it being completed outside the house of the Lord. Which begs the question: if proxy work can be done for living souls, why not baptize the whole population of the world systematically in our temples? We could claim a membership of 7 billion in no time! *** that awkward moment when you realize you are using the inclusive "we" for a group you no longer really consider yourself a part of. 🤔
Oops! Looks like silly ol Nelson forgot about separation of church and state again! 🤷♂️ Let’s all send thoughts and prayers so he can remember next time he tries to directly enact a fascist theocracy ❤️❤️
Hey Tanner, I'm old enough to remember my Dad making me get a "flat top" when he took me to the Barber Shop... at least they had Fruit Gum and Mad magazine... Probably why I have long hair now!
Were y'all joking when you mentioned Jimmy Snow provided all your equipment and asked us to support him? Are y'all aware of the allegations against him and how he's mistreated his followers? Just curious and a heads up
I pointed it out to them and got a thoughtful response a few months back, but I dunno. I know Jimmy did provide a lot of help and education earlier on in their channel
@@tonichan89 I contacted them privately and I could possibly dig up the precise response, and it's entirely possible they've forgotten, but it was basically that sounds gross, and he'd always been a bit prone to explicit jokes and sexualising stuff so it's disappointing but didn't seem at all unrealistic to them.
Needed some Zelph energy to get a few boring/unpleasant tasks done. Landed on this episode to repeat, and I want to let past Tanner know... your hair is about to go from just fine, to iconic! Hang in there friendo. 😉
It's bizarre to me that someone with the title "church historian" would give a speech like this. You'd expect them to talk about church history. Not about how you shouldn't look at the history. Telling, I'd say.
Quick correction, newtonian mechanics have been replaced by Einstein’s theory of relativity. It doesn’t matter but I thought you might want to know for the future
I loved this episode. It is so refreshing to hear you guys answer back to the nonsense thinking that always bothered me growing up in the Church!! Constructive feedback: please stop calling cult thinking "the Muslim paradigm." Worldwide, something like 1.7 billion people identify as Muslim. There are lots of cults of various sizes within that, just like there are lots of cults of various scales under the Christian header. But as you know, that's not all that's there. There are also whole Muslim communities and organizations working from a liberal, leftist, queer-affirming, exploration-welcoming place. (It helps that Islam doesn't have a central governing body that can excommunicate people lol.) You talked about the scientific method - the process of coming up with a hypothesis and testing it with experiments to derive new truth - and guess what? The philosopher-scientist credited with the modern scientific method was Muslim. His name was Abu Ali al-Hassan ibn al-Hassan ibn al-Haytham, or Ibn Haytham. His "Muslim perspective" looked like praying for forgiveness for any inaccuracy in his reporting of his scientific results.
@@ZelphOntheShelf Mormons really do love to punish those who don't live like them. Wtf should I be charged and fined thousands of dollars for what I watch alone in my bedroom??
You kind of have to laugh, because at a time when it was pretty morally acceptable to do a lot of shitty things. Joseph and his buddies were considered to be extra shitty for those times not progressive nope they were extra shitty.
What he describes as the method to seek truth sounds so convoluted and mind spinning, it reminds me of a labyrinth. There's so much confusion and mind spinning that even a little child could throw their hands up and say OK FINE I BELIEVE! Because that's the only acceptable 'right answer.' If you don't get that right answer, YOU are the problem, NOT the church or it's leaders. All roads lead to 1.believing it's true, or 2. you are bad and wrong. Those are your choices. It's the equation for mind fuckery, there's nothing simple about it, contrary to what they claim! You must put your brain in a blender, set it to clusterfuck, and when you arrive, you're there. But how is any of this so simple that a child could understand?? And since when, did EVIDENCE not matter, and in fact be contraindicated, in any search for truth where truth is the actual quest? If a con man came to town, and wanted people to believe his lies, i think this is the exact mental trickery he would employ to sell his box of snake oil or card tricks, or magic show, or robbery. This whole plot is played out in the musical 'The Music Man.' You didn't know you needed what they are selling before they came to town, and they walk away the rich ones, even tho their own temple ceremony condemns anyone who gives the gospel in exchange for money. But ain't nobody getting in to the LDS church without first putting up their 10% interest on every penny they get, and making payments for EVER. Even longer than Scientology's billion year contract. The 100 billion dollar power differential is enough to get people to believe you've got something that works! All the BEST con artists do!
Hair grows Tanner. Don’t you worry! This cat is of the opinion that you look best with shoulder length hair, but you don’t have to listen to this cat! You both have beautiful faces that can pull anything off.
39:43 all of the current apostles are white? Who’s going to tell Gerritt Gong and Ulisses Soares that? Also still wondering what the age is when someone stops being a child.
Sorry, don't think I can support Jimmy Snow. He got really ableist with the gabbie hanna situation, and how he handled it I felt kinda sucked and lacked accountability. Plus he just kind of makes fun of people while saying he just cares about what's true. Which to me is short sighted and an obvious lie. Science is more wobbly than he seems to think. Don't get me wrong it's stellar, but we can always improve.
Tanner! My girlfriend and I got jumped by two bicycle-borne aspiring Saints this morning as we were walking in my neighborhood (girls, a first for me), and I'm afraid I mentioned your name. I was nice, but I stuck to the open truth of the history of the LDS Church (Smith was a swindler, he was sued over his treasure racket and the court papers still exist) and landed some body blows ("There is a LOT of misinformation out there about the Church", the alpha Saint responded) but was unable to deprogram either of the emissionaries, and think that a little much to ask. I got a laugh when I said the Prophet was just talking out of his hat, then followed up with the story of the divination stone, an artifact the LDS Church possesses and acknowledges. I also pressed the issue of polygamy ("That was back then") and the Divine Mandate for the sexual abuse of children the Prophet possessed, saying that at the heart of every cult was some dude tryin' to get him some... when at last I wore out my welcome by declaring that Jesus is bu-----t, so we might as well believe anything, the proselytizers made to leave us, but I blurted out, "TH-cam! Zelph on the Shelf! Say hi to Tanner Gilliland for me! We're old friends." I hope I didn't get you in trouble with the Danites... it was all too da---d funny! Extend my best to Miss Shelley! Moo-hoo-hah-hah-hah!!!
Have you guys looked in to the esoteric and biblical research that shows the Yahweh was an ancient wind deity. May I suggest the TH-cam channel Esoterica.
Can we not use a name that was intentionally allowed to be forgotten by the people who used it because it's too holy to say? It's different than just being irreverent.
the super obvious things about all religions that when ever looked at slightly Should make anyone who cares about truth know everything about religions is rotten... THE MONEY if there's a God then why does he want money and why does he want it from the poorest slice of people the ones who don't have it to give and already pay more then the rich in everyday? what is it the God wants that money is needed to do? money has no value to a good.. how would some payment of a percentage of income be of any use to a God? doesn't the whole concept just remind u of paying taxes to a ruler? except all rulers are human? there's only one way for a human to pretend he's a God and its with money...so where does all the money go? is there a magic atm that turns it into something a God wants but can create? and the final and biggest question... if your God wants and demands money how I'd he anything different then a mob boss? a theft or at best case a grifter...
At 31:52, you hit upon the one unspeakable truth, that God and Satan are the same guy. In the Sufi schools of the Orient they teach you this, but only at the higher levels. I think I just saved you a bunch of money...
Not your best hair cut, Tanner. You could pass for a high schooler with it. If you weren't so damned smart. But then, who am I to cast aspersions? I wish I had hair to cut!
Hi friends! If you like this video pretty pleeeeeease consider donating to support the channel using one of the options in the description box! Venmo, Patreon, PayPal, we do it all! And we have merch! 🤗
When your hair grows out, let me know and I'll hook you up. I'm local and have cut hair for over 15 years. Right now I can't donate, but this is something I can do.
@@SkyeBjS omg bless you! 🙏🙏🙏
@@ZelphOntheShelf Skyler Stratton Studio, hit me up when you're ready.
1:13:15 Jane Manning ... if you go to the official church history story about her, you will find that she was not sealed to the Smiths as a slave posthumously but when she was still alive but by proxy because of the ban. So the church would not let her participate in the ceremony that was directly for her.
This is the quote from the official version - note the other, usual temple ordinances were done posthumously, but the "sealed as a slave" ceremony (slave not servant because theres no such thing as a paid servant in the afterlife) was done some years before she passed and decades after the end of slavery in the US.
"Church leaders eventually allowed her to be sealed by proxy into the Joseph Smith family as a servant in 1894, a unique occurrence. Although she did not receive the temple endowment or family sealings during her lifetime, these ordinances were performed in her behalf in 1979.
She died April 16, 1908, at the age of 85, always a faithful Latter-day Saint."
I felt the spirit when you said “turducken.”
I felt the spirit during 5 seconds of silence for Pornhub.
Turducken was brilliant.
😂
Same
the funniest thing about the hub being banned in utah is that now utah is at number 1 ( according to google trends) for vpn searches
I’m in Utah and i literally watched Porn Hub this afternoon… did they just ban subscriptions? Cause I just watch for free…
Spoke too soon… yep it isn’t working anymore. Oh well, it’s not like there aren’t other sites with the exact same content. Banning the Hub didn’t really do anything.
The STATE literally just started controlling what we are allowed to watch, in such a soviet style, that even tho I'm not interested in porn, it's a very dangerous precedent for them controlling EVERYTHING we see.
Every website that doesn't jive with them controlling us, forcing us to register our ID with the government in order to watch something is terrifying. Especially when this same group of people would clutch their pearls if you suggested increasing regulation of buying or possessing a gun.
@@AaronNickolas7 ew
Twice in one day? Tsktsktsk 😂@@AaronNickolas7
@@KikithewildlingWhy buy the cow? ;)
Kyle telling Jane's story is giving big "i have black friends" energy.
'the church can't be racist! We have black members!' 🙄
Tanner, your hair looks great!
You guys are so brilliant. I left the church in January after 40 years. Your videos have been extremely helpful in my healing process so far
He says "there will always be reasons to doubt..."
I just think the best way to end that sentence is like this: "There will always be reasons to doubt wrong things."
So if he believed the church wasn't wrong then he should've said "there is never a reason to doubt the Church".
🎵 the church was built entirely on sand and the RAINS CAME TUMBLING DOWN!! 🎶
A few months ago I found one of your videos by chance (this was when I was questioning my faith)- since then I’ve binged-watched so many of your videos. I can’t leave the church right now as I’m still living with believing parents but thank you for helping me mentally get out of this harmful cult
💜💜💜💜💜
Sophie, wishing you well on your journey.
36:39 "We want to create God in our own image"... That is EXACTLY what the LDS church does!!! 😂
About the haircut; years ago I had a friend who was a Reformed Rabbi. He once waggled a finger at me and advised me that, "To not give a f-ck conveys a terrible power upon a man," something I took to heart. It's true! Simply not caring gives you a weird kind of immunity to the madness of others that we all need now. I have my barber take a hedgetrimmer to my hair to show it who's boss. I am strangely happy!
Recently read a talk from 1995 where rusty nelson “advised against interracial marriages” I guess technically the church never got over that one. My mind was blown!
I am addicted to this channel holy shit. Tanner always provides great historical context and analysis and Samantha validates so many of my emotional reactions to what Tanner shares. Thank y’all so much. Once I secure my new job I’ll absolutely be supporting on patreon ❤
Ahhh thank you!!!! 💜💜💜💜
“I just came twice” I about spit out my coffee 😂
Thanks for not disappearing .....🎉.....
I'm not one to really push people to stand against someone unless they have done something heinous. But y'all plugging Jimmy has put a bad taste in my mouth. He has a history of treating his fans poorly and retaliating against even the fairest of criticism. If y'all want to be friends with him, that's on you. But actively telling people to go support him when he hasn't been good to his fans isn't great.
Agreed, also the whole pickup artist stuff and the way he treated rachel oats regarding gabbie hannah...
I completely agree with you. It's giving "reputation rehab through a smaller channel", and I'm not here for it 🙃 Jimmy's behaviour throughout the Rachel Oates saga was more than a little off-putting.
I really appreciate your videos, they have really opened my eyes to so many things that I couldn’t comprehend before. I was raised Baptist and my church was always a non toxic community so it made it harder to see the truth about the actual religion instead of facts vs feelings
I used to watch Jimmy a lot but his behaviour a couple of years back really put a bad taste in my mouth, personally. His response to even very gentle criticism wasn't encouraging that he'd change, so I haven't gone back. Unless I catch wind of him growing out of that, I'm not going to be comfortable over there.
I share your sentiment. It was quite surprising to hear them mention Jimmy...
As an relative of PPPratt, it was he who was shot and killed by his 12 th wife’s husband ( never divorced). Big drama! The murder occurred In Arkansas which later led to the revenge killings of mountain meadows massacre.
I think the Mountain Meadows rationale was only a cover story. The real or true reason for the massacre was that Brigham wanted & got the gold that the wagon train carried. :.
Holy hell. What they believe is like turducken. Absolutely brilliant.
My testimony of you 2 is sooo strong! ;D
(If Laban was really so bad a nation would perish in unbelief under him, good point God could've smote him Himself.)
I wonder what "increased" Parley's faith.
"You need to doubt your doubts...."
As someone constantly over-thinking EVERYTHING... this is oddly good advice for me for some reason.... lol
Like, it's probably likely I over-think everything due to the mormon upbringing... but if I could just trust myself more, I'd achieve so much more.
Can we like reframe that "doubt your doubts" and put it on a t-shirt or something? LOL.
I’m an over thinker too. Solidarity. We gotta learn when to just be at peace and trust the process…while still thinking critically…it’s a hard rope to walk lol
Weeks/months/years trying to find truth and able to understand and leave the church, all the tears, sleepless nights, only to be accused of ‘being stylish. Such a lack of empathy, but that is what is taught
I too have gotten my haircut at that barber shop and I had similar feelings about it
"Our triggers are our teachers".... I'm fucking dead! 💀💀💀💀💀
Tanner I'm watching on my cell phone and your hair looks great! It'll grow so no worries!
So.... check me on this: he's a historian, right? Because there were so many weird inaccuracies in the stories he told.
For example, John Taylor was English, not Canadian. Yes, he met Parley P. Pratt in Canada and joined the church there, but he was still English.
Aunt Jane was still very much alive in 1894 when she was sealed by proxy to be Joseph's eternal slave. It wasn't posthumous. She passed from this world in 1908. She wasn't allowed in the temple even for this odd sealing, so a nice white woman stood in proxy for her while she awaited news of it being completed outside the house of the Lord. Which begs the question: if proxy work can be done for living souls, why not baptize the whole population of the world systematically in our temples? We could claim a membership of 7 billion in no time!
*** that awkward moment when you realize you are using the inclusive "we" for a group you no longer really consider yourself a part of. 🤔
Oops! Looks like silly ol Nelson forgot about separation of church and state again! 🤷♂️ Let’s all send thoughts and prayers so he can remember next time he tries to directly enact a fascist theocracy ❤️❤️
Nelson has no power to enact anything.
@@fnjsaunders bullshit back up your claim
@@fnjsaunders But his followers do.
@@timhazeltine3256 Not so crazy about democracy?
this is so unrelated but did anyone see that Deseret news article about taylor swift and cohabitation cause i *cannot* handle it.
omg whatttt
i just read it. i need eye bleach. *so* much wrong with it
I tried to read it and I can't finish that shit 😭
Hey Tanner, I'm old enough to remember my Dad making me get a "flat top" when he took me to the Barber Shop... at least they had Fruit Gum and Mad magazine...
Probably why I have long hair now!
So, we're expected to excuse marrying teenage girls because "it was normal at the time" (it wasnt) but god's morals never change?
Were y'all joking when you mentioned Jimmy Snow provided all your equipment and asked us to support him? Are y'all aware of the allegations against him and how he's mistreated his followers? Just curious and a heads up
I pointed it out to them and got a thoughtful response a few months back, but I dunno. I know Jimmy did provide a lot of help and education earlier on in their channel
@@songs-of-seers5139 What was the response? I've wondered about this but not seen them talk about it
@@tonichan89 I contacted them privately and I could possibly dig up the precise response, and it's entirely possible they've forgotten, but it was basically that sounds gross, and he'd always been a bit prone to explicit jokes and sexualising stuff so it's disappointing but didn't seem at all unrealistic to them.
Needed some Zelph energy to get a few boring/unpleasant tasks done. Landed on this episode to repeat, and I want to let past Tanner know... your hair is about to go from just fine, to iconic! Hang in there friendo. 😉
😛💜💜💜
Best cheap hair cut bear SLC? Paul Mitchell the School. Wish they still had one in Portland. They did awesome vivid multi dimensional color.
It's bizarre to me that someone with the title "church historian" would give a speech like this. You'd expect them to talk about church history. Not about how you shouldn't look at the history. Telling, I'd say.
Tanner's hair looks good,like always
Quick correction, newtonian mechanics have been replaced by Einstein’s theory of relativity. It doesn’t matter but I thought you might want to know for the future
You know you’ve lived in Salt Lake too long when you wonder if Tanner went to the $10 haircuts on 7th E or the one on 4th south by the U 😂
take a shot every time tanner says paradigm 😂❤️
our poor livers
I'm practically certain I've gotten my haircut that same place and I was just as happy with mine 😂
Love this
Growing out bangs.
Step 1 Hermione
Step 3 The Ring.
I like the haircut ❤
Growing out your bangs is gonna be a wild long ride. Ow and Tanner's hair looks good but i bet he could pull off anything
I loved this episode. It is so refreshing to hear you guys answer back to the nonsense thinking that always bothered me growing up in the Church!! Constructive feedback: please stop calling cult thinking "the Muslim paradigm." Worldwide, something like 1.7 billion people identify as Muslim. There are lots of cults of various sizes within that, just like there are lots of cults of various scales under the Christian header. But as you know, that's not all that's there. There are also whole Muslim communities and organizations working from a liberal, leftist, queer-affirming, exploration-welcoming place. (It helps that Islam doesn't have a central governing body that can excommunicate people lol.) You talked about the scientific method - the process of coming up with a hypothesis and testing it with experiments to derive new truth - and guess what? The philosopher-scientist credited with the modern scientific method was Muslim. His name was Abu Ali al-Hassan ibn al-Hassan ibn al-Haytham, or Ibn Haytham. His "Muslim perspective" looked like praying for forgiveness for any inaccuracy in his reporting of his scientific results.
I don’t think we mentioned Muslims??
Great haircut!
jimmy snow? thats a name I haven't head in a good while
Yes, it was good i hadn't heard it in a while 😅
Sam i love your hair in this episode🥰
Tanner, your hair looks good! Long hair looks good on you, too, but this cut suits you.
This video should have been sponsored by a VPN
Lucifer inside of us… hehe… such a temptation 😈
Love your hair, it's cute
If I'd known yall would be talking about this I actually would've gone
Me too
Proton VPN is free for those still wanting access to the hub 🤭😂
Isn’t it punishable by jail time and tons of money?
@@ZelphOntheShelfso that is the restrict act specifically, which hasn't passed! You're good to use vpns for now
@@ZelphOntheShelf Mormons really do love to punish those who don't live like them. Wtf should I be charged and fined thousands of dollars for what I watch alone in my bedroom??
@@Olivia-dg4fb you won't! That is the restrict act, you can use a VPN and be fine, I've read up on it
You kind of have to laugh, because at a time when it was pretty morally acceptable to do a lot of shitty things. Joseph and his buddies were considered to be extra shitty for those times not progressive nope they were extra shitty.
What he describes as the method to seek truth sounds so convoluted and mind spinning, it reminds me of a labyrinth. There's so much confusion and mind spinning that even a little child could throw their hands up and say OK FINE I BELIEVE! Because that's the only acceptable 'right answer.' If you don't get that right answer, YOU are the problem, NOT the church or it's leaders.
All roads lead to
1.believing it's true, or
2. you are bad and wrong.
Those are your choices.
It's the equation for mind fuckery, there's nothing simple about it, contrary to what they claim!
You must put your brain in a blender, set it to clusterfuck, and when you arrive, you're there.
But how is any of this so simple that a child could understand??
And since when, did EVIDENCE not matter, and in fact be contraindicated, in any search for truth where truth is the actual quest?
If a con man came to town, and wanted people to believe his lies, i think this is the exact mental trickery he would employ to sell his box of snake oil or card tricks, or magic show, or robbery.
This whole plot is played out in the musical 'The Music Man.'
You didn't know you needed what they are selling before they came to town, and they walk away the rich ones, even tho their own temple ceremony condemns anyone who gives the gospel in exchange for money. But ain't nobody getting in to the LDS church without first putting up their 10% interest on every penny they get, and making payments for EVER.
Even
longer than Scientology's billion year contract.
The 100 billion dollar power differential is enough to get people to believe you've got something that works!
All the BEST con artists do!
Stop recharging your brain every night Skeptics! 😂
I have the third comforter around my body right now.
Hair grows Tanner. Don’t you worry! This cat is of the opinion that you look best with shoulder length hair, but you don’t have to listen to this cat! You both have beautiful faces that can pull anything off.
39:43 all of the current apostles are white? Who’s going to tell Gerritt Gong and Ulisses Soares that?
Also still wondering what the age is when someone stops being a child.
18
@@ZelphOntheShelf has that always been? Also not throughout the US right? And it’s despite the brain not developing till you’re 25 like you’ve said?
Tanner's hair looks great!
I WISH they had made Hermione's hair this way in films 3 and up. (In the last 2 it's pretty much straight, wtf)
Was the NHM in “reformed Egyptian “ ? Lol
Jimmy snow??? 🤢😭
yeah...
I don't know anything about Polly P. Pratt, but I am reasonably sure that the big black bug bled black bug blood. So there!
awesome
Look, I'm supporting you both on your Patreon and Jimmy's Patreon! :D
trickle ‘round economics! 😂
me half expecting you to plug a vpn when talking about utah laws.
Y'all should mention the church's homophobia more when bringing up the churches crimes. That's actively killing kids
I think we usually do?!
Kai BYU Idaho is expelling gay students and yanking their student visa's as well.
Just so you know, relativity and quantum mechanics aren't the same (and don't really work together)
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Sam is so beautiful js
Sam drop the lip color
It’s Tarte maracuja in primrose 🥰
Sorry, don't think I can support Jimmy Snow. He got really ableist with the gabbie hanna situation, and how he handled it I felt kinda sucked and lacked accountability.
Plus he just kind of makes fun of people while saying he just cares about what's true. Which to me is short sighted and an obvious lie. Science is more wobbly than he seems to think. Don't get me wrong it's stellar, but we can always improve.
12:04 what’s that certain sure evidence that shows it’s not truth? Specifically which fact?
Tanner! My girlfriend and I got jumped by two bicycle-borne aspiring Saints this morning as we were walking in my neighborhood (girls, a first for me), and I'm afraid I mentioned your name. I was nice, but I stuck to the open truth of the history of the LDS Church (Smith was a swindler, he was sued over his treasure racket and the court papers still exist) and landed some body blows ("There is a LOT of misinformation out there about the Church", the alpha Saint responded) but was unable to deprogram either of the emissionaries, and think that a little much to ask. I got a laugh when I said the Prophet was just talking out of his hat, then followed up with the story of the divination stone, an artifact the LDS Church possesses and acknowledges. I also pressed the issue of polygamy ("That was back then") and the Divine Mandate for the sexual abuse of children the Prophet possessed, saying that at the heart of every cult was some dude tryin' to get him some... when at last I wore out my welcome by declaring that Jesus is bu-----t, so we might as well believe anything, the proselytizers made to leave us, but I blurted out, "TH-cam! Zelph on the Shelf! Say hi to Tanner Gilliland for me! We're old friends." I hope I didn't get you in trouble with the Danites... it was all too da---d funny! Extend my best to Miss Shelley! Moo-hoo-hah-hah-hah!!!
Have you guys looked in to the esoteric and biblical research that shows the Yahweh was an ancient wind deity. May I suggest the TH-cam channel Esoterica.
Can we not use a name that was intentionally allowed to be forgotten by the people who used it because it's too holy to say? It's different than just being irreverent.
So awesome you guys work with Jimmy. You work with all of my favorite creators, and then you are also my favorite creators.
the super obvious things about all religions that when ever looked at slightly Should make anyone who cares about truth know everything about religions is rotten... THE MONEY if there's a God then why does he want money and why does he want it from the poorest slice of people the ones who don't have it to give and already pay more then the rich in everyday? what is it the God wants that money is needed to do? money has no value to a good.. how would some payment of a percentage of income be of any use to a God? doesn't the whole concept just remind u of paying taxes to a ruler? except all rulers are human? there's only one way for a human to pretend he's a God and its with money...so where does all the money go? is there a magic atm that turns it into something a God wants but can create? and the final and biggest question... if your God wants and demands money how I'd he anything different then a mob boss? a theft or at best case a grifter...
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So being an over the top Flamer is going to convince LDS???
lol your only video is a gay ass musical from the navy haha. projecting much? 😂😂😂
At 31:52, you hit upon the one unspeakable truth, that God and Satan are the same guy. In the Sufi schools of the Orient they teach you this, but only at the higher levels. I think I just saved you a bunch of money...
Not your best hair cut, Tanner. You could pass for a high schooler with it. If you weren't so damned smart. But then, who am I to cast aspersions? I wish I had hair to cut!
“How would you ascertain that?”…. Um a handshake Duh.
You’ve lost all credibility with me.
👏😄 I'm Like #666! Random coincidence but I'm very proud of myself. Sprouting peacock feathers right now. 🦚😈