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- Yanis Varoufakis is a top economist who was at the forefront of international media attention as Minister of Finance in the Syriza government in Greece. Today, he leads the left-wing pan-European political movement DIEM. The conversation with Varoufakis, led by Slavoj Žižek, will be far from a polite exchange of opinions by two like minded colleagues. It will address the issues faced by today’s Left.
Did the Syriza government stand any chance of surviving without capitulating under the pressure by the European Union? What are the real potentials of the radical left today? How has global capitalism changed due to the pandemic? Will capitalism manage to cope with the ecological crisis?
This event is part of the Indigo festival.
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My favourite philosopher and my favourite economist. This is so good
It's amazing to see someone talking more than Zizek
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They probably strapped a shock collar under one of his sleeves
And zizek listens and gives straight counter questions, amazing!
@@ajez597 Haha...indeed!
Yup, someone got him to shut up for more than 3 seconds. Yanis is based.
Zizek is an excelent moderator, I did not expect that.
Zizek is silent in awe of a guy just as crazy as him but handsome
Late Night with Slavoj Zizek!
@@jumboridesagain7336 you listen when you care what someone has to say, zizek talks over other people because he doesn't care about them i.e. gordon pepperson
@@hotto5150 gordon pepperson was insufficiently handsome and hence an evolutionary failure.
sf3d dk - No mate. How is he a moderator at all between the heavy accent and the speech impediment... plus he asks loaded questions.. Its not great
Wonderful to witness that Slavoj is an excellent listener.
Only when he is not debating idiots
The situation regarding shares is even worse than Varoufakis describes in that a share is not actually a form of ownership -- meaning that while shareholders enjoy profits and are able to exercise (high level) control over the corporation, they are not similarly personally responsible for any liabilities and losses the corporation incurs. It is the corporation as a legal person in itself that is responsible -- and hence shields the shareholders.
this video is a national treasure!
INTERNATIONAL treasure
Thanks for uploading this beautiful thing
Nothing but respect ✊ for Varoufakis.
Damn I wish Yanis was my accountant
We political economist hold accountancy in contempt. We have a sufficient supply of beans and we need ensure everyone has enough for their needs, counting them adds nothing to their value.
@@215Gallagher Summarizes it pretty nicely
Excellent discussion! Some much food for thought! We want more!!!
Amazing the both of them. Thanks for the upload!
Yanis did very well. Zizek was definitely not bored here!
my two favorite contemporary intellectuals on the same stage... now that's a treat! Thanks Indigo festival!!
thank you for sharing
Yanis has the perfect voice for a Bond villain.
And looks
Yes
Because he is the enemy of the MI6 and CIA western deep state🇬🇧🇺🇸👎🏼👎🏼. Grik strong 🇬🇷🇬🇷
Ž: They will after I finish.
Y: They'll be all dead!
😂
Brilliant piece
There are so many reasons I love this, what a joy to watch
I listened with blushed cheeks
This was fun af
Yugoslavia will be reborn!
Dream about it
excellent interview
This talk was amasing !
the only thing better than Varoufakis and Zizek would be Zizek and Chomsky having a conciliatory talk where they sublate their differences
I love you
It will never happen
Aha what a comment, honestly don’t doubt it will happen in this lifetime everything seems to become more inversed as the weeks drag.
First blowhard to go blue in the face and pass out- concedes...3-1 odds in Vegas for zizek - paperview would aire it in its entirety.
1:40:48 almost had a heart attack
21:07 is fabulous. This is the sort of thing that happens when a Cretan bargains with a German! LOL!
I met a Greek couple a few days ago in Rome. They were surprised that I know somewhat about Greek politics and its current difficult situation. Then I mentioned Yanis. They weren't flattered, started with “Ah, that Crete born guy" and processed saying how he basically is a liar back when he was in the office. Tried to reason with them in Yanis defense with the information I've got from his speeches and books. Did not work. They end up saying, he is persuasive. Well, in the end we stopped talking policits and started enjoying the beauty of the eternal city.
Talking politics with strangers from a different country is always 50-50.
I talked with a Vietnamese woman(german born though) over discord about Vietnam.
Told her "i'm glad that they didn't lose the war against america and got their independence"
It didn't end well... told me "they are communists! We had to flee from them!"
I just thought, jeez sorry that i'm for liberating a people from a colonial power.
We then proceeded to enjoy video games to distract ourselves from getting into a debate
@@desotaku5202 & @riva2003 your experiences go to show the nature of ideological interpelation we're all subject to thanks to the media - we have no access to the reality of other cultures and nations... listen to Žižek for more on this topic.
@@desotaku5202 True. I am just happy the talk involves around politics didn't ruin our mood of appreciating other wonderful things in our lives. At the end of the day, that's what matters
@@sanjinv i just thought being colonized by the french and then being napalm bombed by the americans is a universally hated thing.
@@riva2003 yeah, me too. We can still talk, just not about communists😅
Didn't need to use much imagination, the streets of Ljubljana have for a long time already been Janković's fiefdom.
Dudes rock.
"of course you're scared, this is war."
Mr Varoufakis,always interesting 🤔
nice touch including Monty Python's Roman sequence ; ))
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The point is that you can easily be without Facebook its a psychological masterpiece.
Without likes and comments it would collapsed and disappear
Does anyone knows who is the person he is talking about in 1:21:38 ? The one who said "the only way to increase the wages of chinese workers is to reduce the growth rate of china".
Žižek 👍👏
Always nice to see a fellow Belgian spreading the good word of leftism :D
belgian?
Cameraad might also be Dutch?
The Scrabble points in this title....
Anyone have more info about the transport futures being bought up for cheap?
Is there any chance of a political economy that the many can understand, not just the few? (Green Fire, UK) 🌈🦉
PS: This conversation is immensely illuminating. Particularly interesting on China...
PPS: Xi Dzjin Ping IS a Confucian, Yanis. Balanced, dialectical, one step at a time...
Is this happened in last days?
Yes, this past Thursday.
@@matic.m fresh Zizek content, right out of the owen, still hot and crispy, shining in the working-class-consciousness-shade of red. mmmm tasty :'D
@@matic.m Thanks, man. Regards from México.
Oh, how presumptuos (sic) of me, a thousand apologies ......
Could someone explain to me why we aren't in a state of oligarchy versus "technofeudalism?" I get that Yanis wants to coin a new term but apart from technology as a currency, what is the difference?
I wouldn't argue that we've actually arrived at this technofeudalist model. But his argument seems to be that injections of cash from a central bank has or will supersede the profit motive; that social media platforms monetizing data have or will supersede traditional workplaces; that these monopolized online spaces have or will replace markets; and that these dynamics resemble fiefdoms through which stagnant peasants had their crops extracted as a matter of course.
@@eduardosp2024 since so many countries rely on natural resources for their economies, online fiefdoms are probably still modest to count as the economic tour de force Yanis is suggesting.
Technofeudalism Is a very specific concept. Oligarchy Is a system of government, while he Is talking about how now everything happens via online platforms that control most of the transactions and the informations that happen in the world, and these platforms are owned by a few members of society. He has incapsulated both the oligarchy aspect and the technological nature of It.
When Yanis mentions that there's a 600 page book about his plan right at the beginning, which book is he referring to?
I think "adults in the room" but I am not sure
Adults in the room.
I recommend it to read it. 🌎 .
Plis, somebody can traslate this video to spanish.?
1:27:45 correction, Austria too
Based
yanis is just describing the exchange between departments that Marx describes in vol. 2 and he's calling it NOT-Capitalism!?!?!?
Wat he's saying is that the supposed contradictions that were meant to destroy capitalism are now so prevalent that we might as well refer to it as a new system. Techno-feudalism has superseded the contradictions between profit and workers, especially on a platform like facebook or youtube where we don't even recognise ourselves as working for these companies... Which we are.
Its not. Abandon bible. Move on. Seize the means of pragmatic thought.
subtitles pls :(
20:25 balls of steel
best ending ever XD
So... when are we going after the patriarchy?
When verofakis says he has an ideological opposition to giving a shit about why the PM didn't go ahead with his plan I think he means that because this happened his plans were always untenable. The PM and syriza were never going to be able to buck all the pressure put on them, which is why he's looking for another avenue and not just thinking "well of our PM had more of a backbone it would have worked out"
the sound is bad
"Indian tea was rubbish" "The Chinese have never been imperialist" Conflation/mixture of the histories of the Dutch and British East Indian companies. Hard to take Yanis seriously when he makes so many factual errors, although I like the guy and I agree with many of his ideas.
When were the Chinese imperialist?
@@randomname931 Most recently? The ten great campaigns launched during the reign of the Qianlong Emperor in the 1700s.
@@chrisjohn1284 That is pre-modern history though
@@superiguana1 Well, China underwent the century of humiliation not long afterwards and it took them nearly a century to recover from that so they haven't really been in a position to be imperialists since then until very recently. And btw late 1700s is considered the beginning of the "late modern" period of history.
@@chrisjohn1284 Ok, that was under manchu rule. what about han chinese?
These guys are my fucking bois
feat. Luka Mesec
They are losing me a bit with the discussion on China... it's Van who exactly?
Michael Suslov 1:06:55 🤣
"do your own research" means research who owns what, where does the money come from and who gains the most, who owns certain media and what might be their preferred agenda. It means never stop thinking critically and question everything and anyone, cause people are just people- mostly flawed at edges, they're inclined to abusing power and position, where there is a lot of money in question conflict of interest is inevitable.
Yes and it also means follow the paths of information that have been laid out or left intact by those in power because porque no los dos?
What/who are you reading?
That's what the dialog was.
1:00:16 La tercera internacional
Well; inflation has taken a bit of a jump of late.....
varoufakis is amazing but i would not compare israel with london in the 80s
I thought he was comparing it with South Africa
With billions and billions and trillions and trillions everything will happen faster and faster
Bye comrade
Aww u can hear zizeks shloppy mouth through the mic
If I had a daughter, I would find a way to introduce her to Yanis....Who Knows , yes ?
Giving a non-placebo in return for being paid for giving placebo is still deceit, no matter the intention.
and probably just a juicy myth.
I like to call them "digital rapists" over "a digital thief"
I think he meant digital fief not thief. A fief is like the private domain of a feudal lord.
1:41:35 Zizek is so annoyed by Varoufakis's sudden bout of political correctness lol
We both have the thinkers boobs ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
The one time zizek seemed completely out of his water. I like yanis varoufakis, he stands for an important cause.
@Arnth van Tuinen Can you elaborate? I really hope varoufakis gains more influence in the future
@@NoName-qi7vx For now he's rising a bit in the polls, as New Democracy equally steadily declines
Inflation 44:00
Z dressed as if on safari; Y dressed like from the matrix
Mo gbádùn bí Yanis ṣe n̄ṣe àlàyé
1:12:46 feminine intuition
With regards to China
And how Yannis said they never colonised anyone. What about Tibet? Manchuria? And probably a host of ethnic Muslim countries in the west including the elimination of the Uyghurs (weegors) his whole credibility is brought into question by not mentioning this
But he did mention those problems. Did you listen to the talk?
@@adamoleoni2272 yes he briefly brushes over it at around 1hr 12 min and then he said at around 1 hr 15 min that China has never colonised any country in the world at the 1 hr 14 min to 15 min mark. Slavoj had to constantly dumb down his discussion with yannis. I listen to yannis as he has given a greater insight into how the world works Eg when in another talk he mentioned how Paul volker when he was in a meeting with Kissinger said not to be worry about the balance of trade deficits as they just have to get the Europeans, Japanese,(China now etc) to recycle the deficits into “investments” into the USA which are worthless Eg subprime mortgages and that is why they gave Wall Street so much cash to inflate the USA “investments / stocks etc)
In answer to your question if I listened to it? Yes at least twice and again a third time in some parts to find the time points , but In the spirit of Slovaj who says manners are of the upmost importance, I thank you for your integrity to draw out more information then I provided in my criticism of yannis which has hopefully allowed us both to fully appreciate verifiable information
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within the first 15 min ...
"we invented mythology" juxtaposed to the bourgeoisie moral duty.
i guess he didn't understand Zeus' lessons.
curious to see what happens to a gossiper.
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It's so weird to hear a public finance official speak in Marxist terminology.
Love them both but Varoufakis' point about the supposed lack of Imperialism and Colonialism of China falls moot when he mentioned just sentences prior their atrocities in Tibet and Turkestan which certainly amounts to Imperialism, ethnic cleansing and an extremely thorough colonial project unseen since the American manifest destiny.
wow... i was really disappointed and even sad to see Varoufakis at the end of the video getting pissed off and angry at a regular person with a regular question ... in those moments you can really estimate how much a man is grown
how can you aknowledge what china has done to tibet and xinjang and then say they are not imperialist?
The implication of “not imperialist” is that China is not imperialist in comparison with traditional European imperialist powers or the US. Ofc you could make an argument that every state in history is imperialist to some degree. But China’s brand of imperialism is far more regional than Western nations.
@@jackfuller1478 oh so it's ok to be imperialist if you so it to your neighbours?
Also it's not just thier neighbours to the west it's all boarders.
And if we're going to play games with the definition of imperialist to include the us, your gonna have a bad time realising China has been attempting to make everyone else vassals since they discovered money
@@matthewantonello5029 did I ever defend China’s foreign policy? No. I was pointing out that there is a clear distinction between their foreign policy and certain Western nations. The purpose of using “imperialism” was to highlight that China is traditionally a regional hegemon as opposed to a global hegemon like the US. What is there to argue about this point?
@@jackfuller1478 @The Moyessiah because I disagree with the term imperialist being used for modern western nations.
Every since 1920 we have actively tried to foster peace and independence. Not perfectly it must be said but tried.
The us is dominant but in it's dominance it has been benevolent and I don't consider that hegemony.
The same cannot be said of China. What they hold power over is subject to terrible abuse of human rights. Much much much worse than the worst that the west does
@@matthewantonello5029 You don't agree with the term imperialism being used for USA?! "Ever since 1920 we have actively tried to foster peace and independence. Not perfectly it must be said but tried.
The us is dominant but in it's dominance it has been benevolent and I don't consider that hegemony." You should be a speechwriter for Bush and Cheney! However, if you were to put that rhetoric to one side and actually interrogate the US's "benevolent dominance" (what an enormous oxymoron) over the last century, you'd soon realise that it perfectly fits the definition of an imperialist power. How else would you appraise US intervention in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Grenada, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc? If the US was always trying to foster peace and independence then what do you make of the CIA's constant subversion and terrorism in Central and South America (and everywhere else for that matter)? The fact is that the US is the greatest historical example of a global hegemon and has used its vast economic and technological resources to project its power. So called peace and independence were fostered when they aligned with US financial and foreign policy interests and crushed when they didn't. I'm not naïve about China's power or their objectives but if your focus, paranoia and anger is directed mainly at them when the turmoil that we are increasingly experiencing has evolved out of the capitalist system that was created and aggressively enforced by the west then you are deeply indoctrinated. Now that there is a new rising power and US pre-eminence is waning nationalists want to bang the drum and start a new Cold War with another "evil empire". If the last hundred years of US hegemony is an accurate guide then we should be sceptical of foreign policy that attempts the large scale containment of another great power while veiling aggressive interventions under the banner of "liberation" or "freedom".
Dafuq is a buddhist bank?
Good to know that the techno-future is American, China 2nd.
Zizek's getting old, y'all.
skratka...use gre u k***** tko kukr se že zavedam zadnjih 10 let
Novo obstane iz uničenega, saj silikonci ustvarijo disruption ...
@@dushanmlakar7099 Nastane, upam?
Kuca-posao zadnjih deset let morda vec....
Tudi ce ne rabis denarja ga je dobro imet :-)
Sodobna religija
Duckduckgo, Yanis. Break with China was not Trump's "idea". One other thing; Tibet?
"Do your own research" means, in principle, that you shouldn't take the official narrative as the only possible narrative. You know this very well, Mr Žižek.
The problem is that there is no such a thing as an alternative narrative all narratives are official narratives. We live in an Orwellian society there is no difference between reality and narrative. saying "do your own research" is the same as telling an inhabitant of AirstripOne to open a NewSpeak dicitonary in search for answers. All alternatives are impossible there are no Narratives only the absolute reality.
@@pingpingsson8401 No one is searching for "the absolute reality" unless you are a quantum physician or a lunatic. Maybe a more suitable reality for the most vulnerable people, instead of this daily injection of fear-mongering from the mass media outlets, could be a start.
@Dar I know what you mean and that's why I expected a less biassed interpretation from people like Zizek for example.
@Dar the same bias as Chomsky, who says that "people who refuses to vaccinate should be isolated from the rest of society" LOL. Thank you mr Chomsky, the "solution" was so easy we couldn't see it!
@Dar those are clearly on the same team. Honestly I find it hard to swallow this kind of compliance from people like Chomsky or Zizek.
I disagree with one point Varoufakis made about China: About how China has never been imperialist. I assume he meant "China under the CCP" and not "China historical (which I'll address quickly). China (historical empire) is actually the world's most successful imperialist power. So successful that it is the only empire that "survived". Remember that the Chinese empire (during the Qin and Han empire) basically consisted of the land between the Yangtze and Yellow river, a comparatively small area to what they control now. The rest was conquered, assimilated and inducted into the Chinese empire fully.
Its true that the Communist in China have not been imperialist but that is myopic. That is mostly because China during the 20th century was weak. That isn't really the case now. Many of China's actions now suggest they wish (foreign policy wise) to return that sort of "Middle Kingdom" hegemony of having the various satellite states (Vietnam, Korea, Japan) under their control. But we'll see.
I share your disagreement with Yanis's point about China's imperial past, the only issue I find in your analysis is that seeing China's CCP history as lacking imperial conquest and continued subjugation would be incomplete. In its early years, the Western provinces, Tibet, Xinjiang, were annexed and the local cultures are still being repressed. For example, recently they made Mandarin the mandatory language. China's approach gives me strong echoes of how Russian imperialism simply rebranded itself with the hammer and sickle to spread Moscow's hegemony. Han supremacy is a real problem that extends beyond China, if youve ever been to the region you know the extent of racism and expectations towards homogeneity that are applied. There are direct parallels that can be made between CCP China and Russification policies
China 1) has a history of imperial conquest and 2) is expressing the deisre to do it again with Taiwan.
I frankly cant foresee if the international community allows the subjugation of a democratic people.
A hegemony is not an empire, it's a hegemony. Neither China, nor the US, are Empires, excepting some, admitingly dreadful, cases.
@@trollamos Im pretty sure they are both empires, your whole reasoning behind why they are not seems to be something along the lines of "because I said so" ?
@@Nameeejz taiwan, tibet, Xinjiang are all part of China. You're argument would be like saying hawaii, california, arizona, etc were all illegitimately annexed. But you would never make that claim because your goal isn't to analyze legitimacy, but to tear a rival down
@@scrtwpnx I would and do make that claim because if you look at Manifest Destiny history that is exactly what happened with the US' expansion West. Both the Chinese and American Empires are still subjugating people.
The key difference is there are still people alive with memories of the Red Army atrocities in Tibet and Xinjiang during the annexations, I only pray the peaceful and democratic people of Taiwan are not next, even if China has repeatedly made its ambitions clear
This idea about nationalizing Google is super interesting, although I think the change needs to be even more radical and go beyond the paradigm of public-private, so that what has become a "human right" could be a common good, but not the Commies way, but the new way - open source it, decentralize and incentivize similarly as it is currently done in crypto space. This transnational movement has already begun and is called Blockchain yo
Before there was blockchain and opensource there was Fidonet.
Right, so the Web needs to get back to its decentralized roots
Someone has come up with this idea too -> th-cam.com/video/QVmlKuHLbNY/w-d-xo.html
"The choice needs to be even more radical" - proceeds to propose a new edition of an already tried minor phenomenon as a systemic solution lol
When has it been already tried and failed this "minor phenomenon" huh ? Never with an incentive structure and decentralization that was made possible by blockchain.
why is the audience constantly laughing, morons
I cannot think of anything serious, I ran out of ideas, im a liar, or I cannot guard my thoughts, choose what you think is true. I will be posting miscellaneous stuff from now on. It will be nice to see you later on. Bye bye 👋 😘
Talking about lamb's taken to the slaughterhouse and yet waiting for the booster shot seems a bit hypocritical...btw, who did the research for your own books Mr. Zizek?
Spends the first hour trashing the EU. Then says Google shud be owned by the state...
Soooo?
@@adamoleoni2272 the eu is the state...he does not see the dicotomy
Corruption is the problem with politics, buisseness, markets, education, medicine, Defense, the whole system is a scam.
47:00 China is imperialist though, Tibet would like to have a word with you
Taiwan as well
Varufakis’s criticism of platformers reminds me of leftist criticisms of jazz in that it misses the point of those are things people engage with because they feel it’s beneficial and pleasurable. Leftists have had a hard time with pleasure.
What do you mean?
@@adamoleoni2272 Regarding jazz, leftists looked at jazz in the 30s-40s as something low and only engaged in for entertainment value. They didn’t look at it in any other way than through a political lens. Check out Thaddeus Russell’s book A Renegade History of the United States. Or some members of the Frankfurt School.
China: captures Tibet.
Yanis: they never colonised anyone.
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Most of China consists of lands the Han people stole from other tribes, from the Mon and Hmong to the Manchu and Tibetans.
@Miloš Bulajić yo, get real.
Yep, european coloneal powers did a lot of shit. It doesn't mean we should blindly just tell BS.
@Miloš Bulajić wtf?
So. what are you saying, that russia, china, Indonesia all get pillage all you want for free card?
@UChDc9JCE6hVztx9KVAETD-A I'm not sure if you consider yourself a leftist but a big problem of leftists today is insisting on individualizing colonialism. It was and remains a systemic - not individual - thing, driven by both forces of capital and the governments shackled to it. Vaguely saying "Westerners" are guilty of it trivializes the problem and focuses on moral blame of people living in the West, instead of the parasitic class that has developed on top of it, interests of which are vastly different than the interests of majority of Westerners. A random person on the internet saying that China has imperialist tendencies and engages in debt slavery with African countries, - not even mentioning Uyghurs, Tibet, sweatshop capitalism etc. - is not a person responsible for colonialism in any shape or form. Decrying the supposed hypocrisy of such person to gain some sort of a moral high ground is not only impotent but intellectually dishonest.
In other words, you're a fucking prick.
@@-sunrise-parabellum- well said
"Inventors of mythology". His foolish nationalism makes me question his credibility even though he raises excellent points and makes great arguments. Myths are as old as humans, and there are cultures and civilizations far older than the Greeks. No need to get cocky.
Myth and Mythology is different... to myth, the inventor goes back to the earliest vernacular orators who tried to explain metaphysical phenomena. Mythology is the understanding that, ladden within the metaphor, lies some literal value.
@7Dnein according to Merriam Webster: "Definition of mythology
1: an allegorical narrative
2: a body of myths: such as
a: the myths dealing with the gods, demigods, and legendary heroes of a particular people
b: MYTHOS sense 2cold war mythology
3: a branch of knowledge that deals with myth
4: a popular belief or assumption that has grown up around someone or something"
In any of the above definitions, there is no single one group of people/country/civilization that "invented" mythology, even in your interpretation of the word, and especially not the greeks who were the first. While ancient Greek cities have their set of contributions to humanity that deserve credit and recognition, this over-glorification of the greek civilization exclusively and single-handedly is rooted in European supremacy, nationalism, and it purposefully overshadows other civilizations, not simply those in Europe, but also older civilizations like Hitites, Summerians, Egyptians, Indian and Chinese ones etc.
There is no space for nationalism in leftism. As a famous person, it is especially crucial that he does not propagate this kind of propaganda. The average American thinks all human civilizations started with the Greeks. Poor education system, sure, but we keep promoting this fetishism in the mainstream media/culture etc.
@@Iamallwaysright1 Ideologies are byproducts of the person that brings them forward. Why must you constrict the liberty of the speaker to discuss some things and not focus on increasing your own discernment, taking only what is valid and applicable to your own situation?
You're right about the origins of mythology, but it was obviously meant as a joke.. I think the last thing you can accuse Varoufakis of is nationalism. And you're also right that nationalism has absolutely no space in leftism
Eh, he has some pride in the great history and culture of his ancestor. If he was a black man talking about something african you would not have the same attitude. You are Just nitpicking some minor things.
just fast forward to the parts where that splattering mess isn’t talking.