This is the state of our society...I showed my grandparents these sheds and they shudder in horror. My grandma still has the home catalogues for $1,500 for a house in the 1950s (4 bedroom 3 bath suburb home)
That would be great...if it was still 1950 and you could pay 1950 wages and costs 75 years later in 2023. The penalty for human trafficking is steep, and will land you in prison for quite a while, plus all those attorney fees, as human slavery has been illegal in the US since 1865...and it was always amoral, so pay the people who build your shed. So instead of trying to pay someone 1950 wages to build your shed and going to prison for not following the minimum wage laws...and instead of stealing the product that goes in it, instead of paying todays prices for all the stuff that goes in it (which includes paying today's wages)...just forgo the shed and enjoy looking at your grandmother's 75 year old catalog. This isn't 1950...75 years have passed. ...and your grandmother paid waaaaay more than the people did 75 years before her, even if she can't remember that. This is the way it works. If you want to pay 1950 prices, you need to move to a communist country. You can probably do that there, or get close to it. The average salary in Russia is around $14K per year right now (or about 2 months ago last time I checked). If you don't want to move to a community country that still pays 1950 wages, then accept THE FACT that it's 2023 and you live in a capitalist society, and people are paid a minimum wage, benefits, etc.
I think that's a great idea! Get a couple people as neighbors you can stand to be around and have your own little community! Just make sure one of the friends knows fixer-upper things Hehe Definitley something to look into! Congrats on your home🤗🤗
I built my 16x20 ground up for about 3k total. I didn't put in a bathroom for inspection because there was already a septic tank on the property. The previous owner switched to city sewer because she thought it would sell better. I got brand new energy-efficient doors and windows from farmers auctions. Bought my paint from the oops section. Bought appliances and sinks from Habitats for Humanity thrift stores. Repurposed alot of stuff and didn't pay retail for anything. Got my lumber from local sawmill and went with faux board and batten plywood for the siding. The tiny house movement was originally about self sufficiency now its seems to be more about bougie sheds and the original tiny housers have moved over to van life
That's what I said in my post because we're in the process of building a home right now and there are so many ways to save on building costs, especially if you're willing to do some of the things yourself. I love the Habitat for Humanity store!
I am not a builder but would like to see how people build from scratch. I am thinking of living in a uhaul van for a couple weeks to see if I can with stand the small space phobia. And to save money. I am afraid of getting a lown for building and later regreting the small space.
Dont forget the following: 1) Before foundation the compact soil test. 2) Perk test before septic tank intall. 3) Gray water requirements and permits 4) Septic tank 5) Occupants permits 6)Solar permits 7) Solar battery storage and disposal permits 8) Wind turbine permits 9) Converters and inverters only last about 5 yrs shorter life than the battery and cells. 10) Well drilling test and permits before starting. Just to name a few
Bless your heart. You're a sweet kid, but most folks won't be doing most of that and won't take kindly to anyone poking around in their business regardless of who or what or title.
Wow, 45k-150k for a tiny home🤦♂️😩 My parents purchased there full size home for 115,000 in 1999. My Aunt purchased her home( bigger than my parents home) for 47k in 1988….such a sad America
The key point is that they are sold as sheds and are not intended to be used for human habitation. Save your $9K and investigate what your local code requires to build a small home AKA accessory dwelling unit.
@@carlosvillalta9974lol😂. Nobody is doing that and likely will become savagely defensive if anyone tries forcing or penalizing, regardless of who or what or title.
@@NathanDayspring-re4ok I mean if you want your home value to increase then getting permits will help. I need permits because I plan on putting a separate meter in the back.
That was my thought and I permitted my 16x20 as a shed By building my own I found out that any building over 120 square feet, even a shed, had to follow the same code as a house.
I am 75 and live on social security. I bought a shed (12 x 20 $9,000) when the health crisis hit and put it on a 2 acre lot that I owned. I was completely off grid so I spent a few thousand on solar. It took me 3 years and I did not spend anywhere near what this video totaled. Guess I got lucky?? I also lived in it while I completed it.
Things to factor in. It took you 3 years. a slow and steady build often cost less than trying to cram everything at once. Also, price now vs 3-4 years ago is much different. Specially in material for building stuff. As someone who do a lot of side jobs. It cost me over double to remodel or build many things. And that's we putting the labor. So material cost alone. And the hikes vary by states and even areas of the same states. In the case of FL. Driving 4-5 hours could save you hundreds. Then there's the zone. Again, varies by area, even on same states. The permits cost. With family in 16 different states, we compare often. And does your place meet all the standards, regulations, codes, etc? Because some place are far more bureaucratic and fine happy. But all that said. Yeah, she went over many needed over expenses. Many of my family/friends have real houses and still they have a dirt road. Heck my sister driveway is all grass and the car parking area is just 2 parallel concrete lines. Just for where the tires go. Grass on the side and between them. And if you are buying a tiny budget home. Why would you spend 3K on a driveway, You can put that on the house. And a lot of fixtures and devices you can get them for way cheaper than Home Depot online. Walmart online will get you a rather fancy and multi function faucet for a fraction of a similar one on Home Depot. Or about the same as the cheapest you can find there. Same with electricity. Yeah the main stuff gets quality from an dedicated supplier or HD or Lowe's. Breakers (&box) wires, etc. But outlets covers, eBay in bulk are dirt cheap by comparison. And how did she went from a few couple hundreds things on the bathroom to 3K?
I couldn't help but notice that building was not sold by walmart but rather a third party seller with a 1 star rating. And I've said this before about your tiny house/ADU videos but if you're going to hire pros to do it the right way, you might as well order a plan online or even hire an architect and buy the lumber locally and have a pro build it because that might very well come in less expensive than a mail order shed.
@@Test-zn9rs You have to make all of the arrangements to finish it yourself, that's what Kristina is talking about in this video. You buy the shed as just a shell.
@@joycemyers8140 What's costing the real money is all the nonnegotiable permitting and utilities costs even if you go off grid. The costs of the materials that she quoted aren't that bad even if you buy new at HD.
if you put a tiny house on a trailer it skirts many of the local laws and is legal as long as it does not exceed the height and width for the state you are in
IMO, a lot of DIY and reclaimed products really will push the end number down a lot. as an investment property ROI could be years sooner even if you loose a little bit of time with the DIY. You can still DIY and still follow codes/ordinances. Ambition and resourceful ness will make all the difference.
My costs in Western Washington (your costs were extremely low): 300ft well with pump and pressure tank: 30k 4 bed septic and drainfield: 6k 400 amp connection to electric: 15k
1972-We had our own property. We had a contractor build a nice 3bd two bath 1700 sq ft home for $108 K ! And we borrowed money to do it signing only 1.5 page contract! Things have gotten so expensive. In the 40's someone could pay off their home in one year's time if they had no other expenses according to an older friend.
you can buy already lived in tiny homes, zoning is harder to get for travel trailers and rv;s , plus an already lived in tiny home should be better built and use the same wiring as a house.
We live in a less restrictive area than other areas in the country and we were not allowed to live in an RV on our own land unless we had the septic and well done, permits in place for the "Forever" home in place and we were still limited to one year in RV. 😒
Most people who buy these types of homes go off grid... solar and rain water. Anemities such as cabinetry, countertops, and storage can be purchased very cheaply on marketplace, habitat for humanity, flea markets, etc.. Concrete slab is not necessary for a foundation. You are missing the point of tiny home living... recycling with little to no carbon footprint. For those who don't want off grid living, tiny home communities are available with water and electric hookups in most states. I've done my research and found that zoning and regulations vary from county to county. Since tiny home living has become more popular it's common to find relaxed zoning laws, and states and counties are welcoming to off grid living.
Concrete slab isn’t necessary but if you live in a place with extreme weather you’re going to want it. I can’t even imagine being in that thing when a tornado or strong wind hits it. Or even a heavy rain.
Funny but True story. I have 33 acers in Texas. 45 minutes outside Austin in a very small City. My Land is around a large Lake. I know City officials. I had lunch with 1 and inquirined about permits to put tiny sheds as homes on My land. He asked, how many. I said 10. He said I will walk you through tge Permit process and inspections if you would consider renting 1 to My son. Done deal. I am on #7 now and people are waiting in line for Me to finish them. I am pursuing the 25 units. Doing all finish work with the help of current and future tenants. This is Huge!
Love your videos, some get me outright enraged and others make me laugh, but most importantly you can learn a lot from them. Thank you so much for sharing these with us.
Another informative video! Thank you for showing the real cost of trying to convert a shed to a tiny home. There are people who continue to believe this is the way to go but I don't think they have really calculated all of the costs, especially the permitting costs.
It's a shed framed in 2x4. Many municipalities do not allow a dwelling to be 2x4 framing due to insulation requirements. You might be able to use it as an ADU
Hey Kristine, I wanted to let you know that typically this shared would not work as a home and would not be approved for permit because in the specifications it says that the existing studs are on 24 inch “On center” studs and most if not all of the country in 2023 requires 16 inch on center studs. You might perhaps be able to get away with it if you go to the city or county planning department and get them to make an exception by adding this thirds at 12 inch centers which would make it much easier for the person installing the wall covering like drywall, Load bearing paneling, etc. Ask for the structural integrity of any wood frame building, it is really the lowest form of safety construction that you can utilize, and ideally should be limited to buildings that are not suitable for living like storage sheds and playhouses and the like. I have been in the construction and real estate development business for nearly 30 years, and i see a tremendous amount of safety issues as well as lack of common sense, when it comes to the type of layout as well as materials used in order to save money. People should not build a home unless they have thought it out very well and truly understand that you are literally placing your life and well-being and the well-being of your family into the decisions that you make with the material and the structure, as well as the myriad of necessities in building a home. Most of the regulations are too far stretching too far reaching and two communist in their authority due to the fact that people are always looking at ways to increase their importance and strengthen and reassure that they have a job, hence the city planners and nonsensical geniuses who come up with standards for all buildings that oftentimes only meet a specific building at a specific time in a specific instance. But what is absolutely sound are the materials and building requirements of the structures to assure safety of all concerned of those who live within the building and their surrounding neighbors. What I have found much to my chagrin is that many lobbyists from companies like Georgia Pacific, Werehouser, Martin Marietta and many other lumber companies as well as Large “insurance” companies absolutely do not want to have TOO superior of a building structure that can withstand earthquakes surnames and other concerns and all at a very affordable price. That is where I have had a serious problem and where the rubber meets the road. Structured Concrete Insulated Panels (SCIPS for short), are one of the strongest forms of building material on the planet when you add Shotcrete, and Portland cement. SCIPs can actually be purchased and delivered by a few manufacturers in the United States and at the VERY least I would recommend that people use Metal Studs with a Higher load bearing weight than the minimum standards. Yes you can build with more economical materials - but the gamble is, would you stake your life on what you buy and live in? You “Literally” are doing just that, and the insurance companies like the repeat business - even when they don’t renew your policy if there was an unusual circumstance - the overall Industry has HEDGED from the inside against that, and they are making Ten Times the amount of your yearly policy that VERY - VERY and I mean VERY few people know about. But that’s for another time.
Money can be saved by making your own cabinets with 2x*4s, and putting another piece of wood on the top, a cheap sink can often be found on craigs list. Walls can be painted later, not so intimidating. There are many things you can do gradually. (insulating, plumbing and electricity asap, and other things later). Sewer can be costly though, if you don't connect to city, then there is either a septic, or leach unless your county allows things like composting or electric toilet.
I remember in 2007 when I was working in real estate seeing people buy homes new from builders with the intention of selling before close of escrow to a new buyer for profit. The crash was so brutal and fast that I remember seeing a lot of these units foreclosed on with the builder plastic still on the carpet.
Since most people are accustomed to bull markets, they often find it difficult to handle downturns. However, with the right knowledge and strategy, you can profit handsomely. Yes, depending on your plans for entry and exit.
My portfolio has been in the gutter for the entire year, so I started researching new ways to profit in the market, but everything I tried just seemed to miss the mark. Please let us know the name of your financial advisor?
Thank you for this tip. It was easy to find your coach. Did my due diligence on her before scheduling a phone call with her. She seems proficient considering her resume.
Check the actual construction of the shed against approved home regulations. For example most locations require studs to be 16 inches on center, but many sheds are built 24 inches on center. Also, roof and floor supports are often not up to approved home standards. Have a builder go to see an actual shed and let you know if modifications need to be made, if they can be made and what they will cost.
We live in Seattle and just went onto sewer. To have the yard dug, plus the permits and sewer hook up costs we were over $45,000. This was even AFTER a discount because we were an established house and a new builder had built a row of houses which resulted in them putting in sewer. Anyone new, will pay MORE than what we did. (At least $50,000+)
I love the idea of a tiny home BUT I think buying a shed to convert isn’t that great of an idea. You do get to skip a lot of hard physical work but time wise you will spend way more inside. Also they are often built cheap. You are probably better building it yourself and making it higher quality
So, $9,000 for the ‘house’, and the other $100,000 to get it completed and set up… May as well find a cheap, turnkey house and be done with it. In my area, West Mobile, I see homes on Zillow, all the time…two and three bedroom, one bath, two bath, half acre to 1 acre, for $65,000 to $70,000
Thank You Ms.Kristina, Wow! After that I will probably choose to buy a prefab modular 🏡 home at least the down-payment with the permits, insurance and all that other stuff 😂
composting toilet and grey water usage eliminates the sewer hook up. If you are in an area with lots of sun, solar can run everything. It does here in Mexico. Thanks for the detailed info!
The whole point of a tiny house is the small footprint on the planet. Your picking out faucets fixtures and other interior needs on the higher price scale. Wall texture? Try paint instead. Concrete pad? Try block foundation walls on corners mid frame and center beam under load bearing walls. Add foam panels and skirting. Gravel drive vs concrete drives. You can find all the materials you need for way less than the prices your quoting.
You dont need a foundation...a trailer base resolves a lot of these permits and you don't have to worry about placement because it cane be moved..2000 bucks Insulation is a 500 dollar job on this small shed. The bathroom can be as little as 500 bucks...glooring about 500. A $400 minisplit is all you need for this shed....they come with dehumidifying modes. Extending a cleanout to the area where the shed is is about 1500 bucks. Setup 30amp for electrical and put up a ped 1500 bucks for a pro to do it.
As a professional i see just how crazy this is even though the median home price is above 400k. 150k on the highend isnt too bad other than the space of the home and with it being less than 400sqft man 2nd stories are a must.
You may be able to go to a habitat for humanity store and get doors, cabinets, flooring and pretty much anything you would need to finish the home. They may have paneling, don't know about lumber, but something to look into. I've never personally shopped at one but I have heard of plenty of people who have. And I would also look for different options for finishing. All those couple hundred dollars add up quick. Wonder if anyone has bought this tiny home. Going to go check out ratings.
Anyone who has the sense to know which end of the hammer to hit a nail with can do a lot of the work. TH-cam is full of videos that will teach you whatever you need to know. It won't be a fast build out but you can live in it while you are turning it into a house and you won't spend anywhere near $91,000 doing it.
This "shed to home" process is totally ridiculous!!! As you mentioned, you better check your local building codes and minimum residential sq ft requirements in your city/county/state. You'll wind up spending $ 30K-50K with a lot of aggravation, sweat equity, contractor fees/labor and CASH out of pocket for a 250 sq ft home. Get a used 2 br mobile home. I saw a Brand New 748 sq ft 2 br 1 ba mobile home in my area on sale for $ 44K. Gravel driveway is about $1000.
You still have to pay for somewhere to put it, and utilities. With the manufactured homes (RVs), it can be hard or very expensive to get a loan. Same with insurance. Might be better off with a small fixer or new prefab home.
Don't forget a Habitat for humanity restore or a reuse business like that. You can get quality items for your home for great prices. Tile, toilet, cabinets, windows, you name it.
Yep, these cute little tiny homes that we see on YT are really overpriced. You'd be better off renovating an older home in a reasonably priced area or building a small prefab home in an area that has less regulation.
Structure only concerns: So, no house wrap, no ice shield on roof. Quality of shingles? 2x4 doesnt give a lot of room for insulation and you have to meet code (R value). Window size- is that up to code for egress? 2x4 floor joists and roof joists-really? Ya know you can build from scratch, with better materials and spend less for the shell. Door screens, window screens, quality of the doors & windows. Add a few walls for bathroom and a door. Trades (plumbing/gas, electrical, sewer/septic) are not cheap. Last time you called a plumber- what was his charge just to show up? Permits are BIG issues. Zoning. Find rural areas with proper zoning. I.E. only 3 counties in AZ allow for "tiny homes". Often times you need to meet a certain ratio of house to lot size. Going off grid?- Add solar, rainwater capture, gutters. Land cost? They really should NOT advertise these as tiny homes- they are sheds which have different construction regulations/codes. Many states dont permit an ADU with cooking facilities. If doing this for aging in place or for aging parent- they aint climbing stairs to go to bed. There is nothing ADA compliant in that space.
2x4s could be legal in southern states. And poor states like KY, WV, TN have low requirements for insulation, etc. No one in a northern climate that get hot & humid in summer wants a concrete slab foundation as you have to run an ac or dehumidifiers nonstop or you get mold. Plumbing and stringing electrical wire can be done diy and get a licensed electrician to check it and do the box. If you’re going off grid solar then research that and get help if needed. In the country you don’t have to have electrical, saw plenty of Amish houses with no wiring for sale. They’ve got out houses also so composting toilets would be ok. Depends where you put the house and how much comfort. Oh, and linoleum is way cheaper for flooring and easier to clean, that’s why many Amish have it. A butcher block bench top would be cheaper too or tile bench top on plywood.
If you get to where living in a shed is your life,,, why waste all that money on ad ons. Buy a table,coleman stove, a bed, tv and food. Youll be rich. I love your show..
2x4 is just fine for that small of space. Many full size homes are still built with 2x4 depending on location. It does not take that much to heat and cool that size of a space.
@@zanesutherland406 I understand that, but the cost differential between a similar if not slightly larger space built with advanced framing, optimal value engineering using 2x6‘s is not that much material wise and not at all labor wise. The difference is a structure that depending upon location has the potential to last twice as long if not longer and be far more solid and an overall much better value.
I would double the bathroom budget because as someone with mobility problems I need both a larger shower and taller oval toilet. But then again I couldn’t use a ladder and have to have stairs if I do a loft.
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You still have to have permission to put this kind of structure on your land, get permits and have inspections. And it will cost to bring utilities to the property.
For a toilet. Consider height and width Narrow can work but you need to fit and as you age low toilets are difficult if you developed mobility issues. Think to the future. I have issues with cheap low toilets in public settings like gas stations
I would just live out of a minivan and you can but a bed, tiny bathroom, and kitchen and live in that and get a P.O. Box. And you can work from home or cover your windows when at work and then when your off drive around and find another place to park.
The $30,000 well and $10,000 scare tactic in Utah would also apply to manufactured homes or any other structure needing water in Utah. She has no idea of realistic pricing. Her tiny home is a million dollars. Someone is a hater on tiny homes.
The thing of it is , you got to do most of everything yourself to be able to build and afford your home. Me and my husband built our home on 5000. And did everything ourselves. It’s now worth 500k
A lot of this is bad advice, in my opinion. Using a tiny fridge is a bad idea. So is buying the cheapest cabinets. A kitchenette with a full size fridge would be a better use of space. And don't forget, the cabinets can go to the ceiling, so don't miss the opportunity to utilize storage. This is against the law in my area anyway. It has to do with fire codes apparently.
In 2024, For your driveway figure $5-$6 sq foot and for the foundation figure $10-$12 sqft. Average driveway of 20’x100’ would be $10,000 just for the concrete work, not even including any kind of drainage, site work, or select fill. Many places especially here in Texas a new water meter tap will cost $5,000-$15,000. That shed package is just materials, which could be purchased for much less anyway. Imagine it like this… someone posted a photo of a beautifully decorated ready to cut wedding cake, and then advertised it for sale as a wedding cake kit, you don’t get the cake in the photo you get bags and boxes of ingredients in the package that is delivered. Go ahead and make that cake just like the photo, 80% of the cost is in the labor, tools, facilities and talent it took to put the cake together, same thing with these sheds/tiny house kits.
Craig's List, FB Marketplace, Habitate For Humanity Resale Store, Thrift Stores, Yard Sales for building supplies. Many people over buy for home projects or sell old cupboards. Sweat equity really does pay off.
I would buy Benjamin Moore Paint. It's just better quality and way easier to work with. They will tint the primer for free, and then you can usually get away with one coat, which saves time and money. With such a small space, you barely notice the extra cost.
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This is the state of our society...I showed my grandparents these sheds and they shudder in horror. My grandma still has the home catalogues for $1,500 for a house in the 1950s (4 bedroom 3 bath suburb home)
According to inflation calculator, $1500 would be approximately $19,000 today. Just adding this here for other people like me who cant math 😂
That would be great...if it was still 1950 and you could pay 1950 wages and costs 75 years later in 2023.
The penalty for human trafficking is steep, and will land you in prison for quite a while, plus all those attorney fees, as human slavery has been illegal in the US since 1865...and it was always amoral, so pay the people who build your shed.
So instead of trying to pay someone 1950 wages to build your shed and going to prison for not following the minimum wage laws...and instead of stealing the product that goes in it, instead of paying todays prices for all the stuff that goes in it (which includes paying today's wages)...just forgo the shed and enjoy looking at your grandmother's 75 year old catalog.
This isn't 1950...75 years have passed.
...and your grandmother paid waaaaay more than the people did 75 years before her, even if she can't remember that.
This is the way it works.
If you want to pay 1950 prices, you need to move to a communist country. You can probably do that there, or get close to it. The average salary in Russia is around $14K per year right now (or about 2 months ago last time I checked).
If you don't want to move to a community country that still pays 1950 wages, then accept THE FACT that it's 2023 and you live in a capitalist society, and people are paid a minimum wage, benefits, etc.
Get a rollover construction loan.
LP siding
Why don't they like it, specifically?
We live in a Tiny home 550 square ft and we love it .We are on 21 acres .and there are only the two of us.Its divine 😍
I think that's a great idea! Get a couple people as neighbors you can stand to be around and have your own little community! Just make sure one of the friends knows fixer-upper things Hehe Definitley something to look into! Congrats on your home🤗🤗
Tiny shed cost = $9000, additional cost = $91,000...overall Total = $100,000.00. Congratulation owning a new tiny home.
Texturizing walls are terrible because they are cleaning problem.
Goals!! I can’t wait to build my tiny home on property!
I know right… I just need a roof to sleep under… I’d rather live outside during the day and have an outdoor kitchen and some shade ramadas and such.
I built my 16x20 ground up for about 3k total.
I didn't put in a bathroom for inspection because there was already a septic tank on the property. The previous owner switched to city sewer because she thought it would sell better.
I got brand new energy-efficient doors and windows from farmers auctions.
Bought my paint from the oops section.
Bought appliances and sinks from Habitats for Humanity thrift stores.
Repurposed alot of stuff and didn't pay retail for anything.
Got my lumber from local sawmill and went with faux board and batten plywood for the siding.
The tiny house movement was originally about self sufficiency now its seems to be more about bougie sheds and the original tiny housers have moved over to van life
You nailed it,Commercialism , what a Disgusting society we live in to think this is OK
That's what I said in my post because we're in the process of building a home right now and there are so many ways to save on building costs, especially if you're willing to do some of the things yourself. I love the Habitat for Humanity store!
I am not a builder but would like to see how people build from scratch. I am thinking of living in a uhaul van for a couple weeks to see if I can with stand the small space phobia. And to save money. I am afraid of getting a lown for building and later regreting the small space.
@@CharleneOrtizTraining don't forget the Lowes and Home Depot returns.
Ace Hardware has a great tiny shower for about $200
@@tiaSilvaCtrly Volunteer at Habitat for Humanity for building houses. You'll see exactly how it's done and get hands on experience.
Dont forget the following:
1) Before foundation the compact soil test.
2) Perk test before septic tank intall.
3) Gray water requirements and permits
4) Septic tank
5) Occupants permits
6)Solar permits
7) Solar battery storage and disposal permits
8) Wind turbine permits
9) Converters and inverters only last about 5 yrs shorter life than the battery and cells.
10) Well drilling test and permits before starting.
Just to name a few
I've never seen what you just said under 65k
Bless your heart. You're a sweet kid, but most folks won't be doing most of that and won't take kindly to anyone poking around in their business regardless of who or what or title.
Yes indeed. I wouldn't even THINK about building... or installing.... a small house in a state or county with strict building codes.
Wow, 45k-150k for a tiny home🤦♂️😩
My parents purchased there full size home for 115,000 in 1999. My Aunt purchased her home( bigger than my parents home) for 47k in 1988….such a sad America
Amen. 😔
The key point is that they are sold as sheds and are not intended to be used for human habitation. Save your $9K and investigate what your local code requires to build a small home AKA accessory dwelling unit.
So true. Zoning is so important. Some counties have a size limit for residential.
In California if you want a stick build adu expect to pay $80,000 or more
@@carlosvillalta9974lol😂. Nobody is doing that and likely will become savagely defensive if anyone tries forcing or penalizing, regardless of who or what or title.
@@NathanDayspring-re4ok I mean if you want your home value to increase then getting permits will help. I need permits because I plan on putting a separate meter in the back.
That was my thought and I permitted my 16x20 as a shed
By building my own I found out that any building over 120 square feet, even a shed, had to follow the same code as a house.
Yay, love the overalls! Thanks for the reminder that $8000 doesn't get you a tiny "home."
I am 75 and live on social security. I bought a shed (12 x 20 $9,000) when the health crisis hit and put it on a 2 acre lot that I owned. I was completely off grid so I spent a few thousand on solar. It took me 3 years and I did not spend anywhere near what this video totaled. Guess I got lucky??
I also lived in it while I completed it.
Not lucky
You just did it the way it was done in the beginning.
Slow and steady
@@oopsieeee if you do most of the work yourself that saves a lot of money as well.
Things to factor in. It took you 3 years. a slow and steady build often cost less than trying to cram everything at once. Also, price now vs 3-4 years ago is much different. Specially in material for building stuff. As someone who do a lot of side jobs. It cost me over double to remodel or build many things. And that's we putting the labor. So material cost alone. And the hikes vary by states and even areas of the same states. In the case of FL. Driving 4-5 hours could save you hundreds.
Then there's the zone. Again, varies by area, even on same states. The permits cost. With family in 16 different states, we compare often.
And does your place meet all the standards, regulations, codes, etc? Because some place are far more bureaucratic and fine happy.
But all that said. Yeah, she went over many needed over expenses. Many of my family/friends have real houses and still they have a dirt road. Heck my sister driveway is all grass and the car parking area is just 2 parallel concrete lines. Just for where the tires go. Grass on the side and between them. And if you are buying a tiny budget home. Why would you spend 3K on a driveway, You can put that on the house.
And a lot of fixtures and devices you can get them for way cheaper than Home Depot online. Walmart online will get you a rather fancy and multi function faucet for a fraction of a similar one on Home Depot. Or about the same as the cheapest you can find there. Same with electricity. Yeah the main stuff gets quality from an dedicated supplier or HD or Lowe's. Breakers (&box) wires, etc. But outlets covers, eBay in bulk are dirt cheap by comparison. And how did she went from a few couple hundreds things on the bathroom to 3K?
You are my hero!!!
It must be the case that you live in a county where the politicians & bureaucrats aren't "control freaks".
I couldn't help but notice that building was not sold by walmart but rather a third party seller with a 1 star rating. And I've said this before about your tiny house/ADU videos but if you're going to hire pros to do it the right way, you might as well order a plan online or even hire an architect and buy the lumber locally and have a pro build it because that might very well come in less expensive than a mail order shed.
There is a whole market for larger sheds around 700 to 900 sq ft and you can choose just how much you want finished out. They are actually pretty nice
I love them for affordable living. Just check all the details on land and permits!
I own a shed dealership and they’re a lot cheaper then this. A lot of my customers turn them into tiny homez
Where would I buy a shed that is finished out like that?
@@garythompson1345How do I find a dealership that offers cheaper options like that?
@@Test-zn9rs You have to make all of the arrangements to finish it yourself, that's what Kristina is talking about in this video. You buy the shed as just a shell.
Being a builder i know for 9k in materials if your doing your own framing would get you about 2000 sq ft rough in
Exactly. She's picking out materials on the upscale pricing and going way overboard on the costs.
Depending on the wood market
@@joycemyers8140 What's costing the real money is all the nonnegotiable permitting and utilities costs even if you go off grid. The costs of the materials that she quoted aren't that bad even if you buy new at HD.
tell us more lol
if you put a tiny house on a trailer it skirts many of the local laws and is legal as long as it does not exceed the height and width for the state you are in
So many inspections needed...foundation, electrical, plumbing, insulation, sheetrock, etc. My permit cost $9k alone.
Not in Tennessee. You don't have to do any of that
i wondered why americans put texture on the walls. not a fan personally, nice and smooth with a fresh coat of white paint!.
In Wisconsin high winds move the houses so a textured walls help hide some cracks.
That's really up to the individual if they want it.
I don't know anyone that has textured walls in their home.
None of your business
@@annjames1837 none of my business?
@@annjames1837 you need to get off social media weird chick
That $259 for a shower is just the base. Not the walls for any fixtures glue trim. It is just the base.
IMO, a lot of DIY and reclaimed products really will push the end number down a lot. as an investment property ROI could be years sooner even if you loose a little bit of time with the DIY. You can still DIY and still follow codes/ordinances. Ambition and resourceful ness will make all the difference.
Correct!
My costs in Western Washington (your costs were extremely low):
300ft well with pump and pressure tank: 30k
4 bed septic and drainfield: 6k
400 amp connection to electric: 15k
Here in Michigan/ Ohio / Indiana I would say our prices are about 30% of what yours are. Crazy right?
Ditto. I just paid 11k for a well. SC here
@@LisaCunninghamLieveEnterprisesshhh before long, SC will be unaffordable
@@annjames1837 absolutely right about this assessment! It's relevant no matter where you live.
Wow that's expensive for a well! Here in Wisconsin, same drilled well & system, through solid granite, less than 20k
1972-We had our own property. We had a contractor build a nice 3bd two bath 1700 sq ft home for $108 K ! And we borrowed money to do it signing only 1.5 page contract! Things have gotten so expensive. In the 40's someone could pay off their home in one year's time if they had no other expenses according to an older friend.
That is a lot of money. My parents bought our home in NJ, 1/2 acre of land, 4 bedrooms, 1 1/2 bath, for 30K in 1974.
You would be better off buying a small trailer or a class C RV and parking it on a lot.
you can buy already lived in tiny homes, zoning is harder to get for travel trailers and rv;s , plus an already lived in tiny home should be better built and use the same wiring as a house.
We live in a less restrictive area than other areas in the country and we were not allowed to live in an RV on our own land unless we had the septic and well done, permits in place for the "Forever" home in place and we were still limited to one year in RV. 😒
Most people who buy these types of homes go off grid... solar and rain water. Anemities such as cabinetry, countertops, and storage can be purchased very cheaply on marketplace, habitat for humanity, flea markets, etc.. Concrete slab is not necessary for a foundation. You are missing the point of tiny home living... recycling with little to no carbon footprint.
For those who don't want off grid living, tiny home communities are available with water and electric hookups in most states.
I've done my research and found that zoning and regulations vary from county to county. Since tiny home living has become more popular it's common to find relaxed zoning laws, and states and counties are welcoming to off grid living.
Concrete slab isn’t necessary but if you live in a place with extreme weather you’re going to want it. I can’t even imagine being in that thing when a tornado or strong wind hits it. Or even a heavy rain.
Funny but True story. I have 33 acers in Texas. 45 minutes outside Austin in a very small City. My Land is around a large Lake. I know City officials. I had lunch with 1 and inquirined about permits to put tiny sheds as homes on My land. He asked, how many. I said 10. He said I will walk you through tge Permit process and inspections if you would consider renting 1 to My son. Done deal. I am on #7 now and people are waiting in line for Me to finish them. I am pursuing the 25 units. Doing all finish work with the help of current and future tenants. This is Huge!
All that great information you gave us and my favorite part is when you said not to come into your bathroom again. That tickled me. 🤣🤣🤣
She's hilarious!
You can find some very nice fixtures in the surplus and builder stores and in some of these thrift and other discount stores.
Love your videos, some get me outright enraged and others make me laugh, but most importantly you can learn a lot from them. Thank you so much for sharing these with us.
Another informative video! Thank you for showing the real cost of trying to convert a shed to a tiny home. There are people who continue to believe this is the way to go but I don't think they have really calculated all of the costs, especially the permitting costs.
Have a claw foot tub for summer soaking on the back porch. Nothing like bathing outside in the sunshine. Even has a shower in it.
It's a shed framed in 2x4. Many municipalities do not allow a dwelling to be 2x4 framing due to insulation requirements. You might be able to use it as an ADU
You can def put in your own insulation and drywall
@@trish0817 it's a shed!
2"x6" is better.
Hey Kristine, I wanted to let you know that typically this shared would not work as a home and would not be approved for permit because in the specifications it says that the existing studs are on 24 inch “On center” studs and most if not all of the country in 2023 requires 16 inch on center studs.
You might perhaps be able to get away with it if you go to the city or county planning department and get them to make an exception by adding this thirds at 12 inch centers which would make it much easier for the person installing the wall covering like drywall, Load bearing paneling, etc.
Ask for the structural integrity of any wood frame building, it is really the lowest form of safety construction that you can utilize, and ideally should be limited to buildings that are not suitable for living like storage sheds and playhouses and the like.
I have been in the construction and real estate development business for nearly 30 years, and i see a tremendous amount of safety issues as well as lack of common sense, when it comes to the type of layout as well as materials used in order to save money.
People should not build a home unless they have thought it out very well and truly understand that you are literally placing your life and well-being and the well-being of your family into the decisions that you make with the material and the structure, as well as the myriad of necessities in building a home.
Most of the regulations are too far stretching too far reaching and two communist in their authority due to the fact that people are always looking at ways to increase their importance and strengthen and reassure that they have a job, hence the city planners and nonsensical geniuses who come up with standards for all buildings that oftentimes only meet a specific building at a specific time in a specific instance.
But what is absolutely sound are the materials and building requirements of the structures to assure safety of all concerned of those who live within the building and their surrounding neighbors. What I have found much to my chagrin is that many lobbyists from companies like Georgia Pacific, Werehouser, Martin Marietta and many other lumber companies as well as Large “insurance” companies absolutely do not want to have TOO superior of a building structure that can withstand earthquakes surnames and other concerns and all at a very affordable price.
That is where I have had a serious problem and where the rubber meets the road. Structured Concrete Insulated Panels (SCIPS for short), are one of the strongest forms of building material on the planet when you add Shotcrete, and Portland cement.
SCIPs can actually be purchased and delivered by a few manufacturers in the United States and at the VERY least I would recommend that people use Metal Studs with a Higher load bearing weight than the minimum standards. Yes you can build with more economical materials - but the gamble is, would you stake your life on what you buy and live in? You “Literally” are doing just that, and the insurance companies like the repeat business - even when they don’t renew your policy if there was an unusual circumstance - the overall Industry has HEDGED from the inside against that, and they are making Ten Times the amount of your yearly policy that VERY - VERY and I mean VERY few people know about. But that’s for another time.
Money can be saved by making your own cabinets with 2x*4s, and putting another piece of wood on the top, a cheap sink can often be found on craigs list. Walls can be painted later, not so intimidating. There are many things you can do gradually. (insulating, plumbing and electricity asap, and other things later). Sewer can be costly though, if you don't connect to city, then there is either a septic, or leach unless your county allows things like composting or electric toilet.
You can often find doors, windows, cabinets, paint and more at Habitat ReStores.
I remember in 2007 when I was working in real estate seeing people buy homes new from builders with the intention of selling before close of escrow to a new buyer for profit. The crash was so brutal and fast that I remember seeing a lot of these units foreclosed on with the builder plastic still on the carpet.
Since most people are accustomed to bull markets, they often find it difficult to handle downturns. However, with the right knowledge and strategy, you can profit handsomely. Yes, depending on your plans for entry and exit.
My portfolio has been in the gutter for the entire year, so I started researching new ways to profit in the market, but everything I tried just seemed to miss the mark. Please let us know the name of your financial advisor?
Thank you for this tip. It was easy to find your coach. Did my due diligence on her before scheduling a phone call with her. She seems proficient considering her resume.
Well are we up to 60,000 yet ?
This is something I’ve looked into. You’d be better buying a fixer upper. Thank you, ❣️
Exactly.
Don't texture a wall, especially in a tiny house, they attract DIRT and are hard to clean.
It's like Sears selling homes from the 50s. This information you are providing is spot on . Then you break down the cost .
Thank you, Lady, for keeping it 💯 !!
When making the concrete pad for the tiny house, I'd place in tie downs, to keep house solid and in place.
Check the actual construction of the shed against approved home regulations. For example most locations require studs to be 16 inches on center, but many sheds are built 24 inches on center. Also, roof and floor supports are often not up to approved home standards. Have a builder go to see an actual shed and let you know if modifications need to be made, if they can be made and what they will cost.
What a sweet little shed.
Looks like a little house so cute.
We live in Seattle and just went onto sewer. To have the yard dug, plus the permits and sewer hook up costs we were over $45,000. This was even AFTER a discount because we were an established house and a new builder had built a row of houses which resulted in them putting in sewer. Anyone new, will pay MORE than what we did. (At least $50,000+)
I love the idea of a tiny home BUT I think buying a shed to convert isn’t that great of an idea. You do get to skip a lot of hard physical work but time wise you will spend way more inside. Also they are often built cheap. You are probably better building it yourself and making it higher quality
So, $9,000 for the ‘house’, and the other $100,000 to get it completed and set up… May as well find a cheap, turnkey house and be done with it. In my area, West Mobile, I see homes on Zillow, all the time…two and three bedroom, one bath, two bath, half acre to 1 acre, for $65,000 to $70,000
Thank You Ms.Kristina, Wow! After that I will probably choose to buy a prefab modular 🏡 home at least the down-payment with the permits, insurance and all that other stuff 😂
I agree with most of your suggestions but, Texturized walls are cheap and tacky looking. Smooth walls are classy.
composting toilet and grey water usage eliminates the sewer hook up. If you are in an area with lots of sun, solar can run everything. It does here in Mexico. Thanks for the detailed info!
Like how you present the truth. Really don't go to cheap. Remember that is will last you...🎉❤❤❤🎉
The whole point of a tiny house is the small footprint on the planet. Your picking out faucets fixtures and other interior needs on the higher price scale. Wall texture? Try paint instead. Concrete pad? Try block foundation walls on corners mid frame and center beam under load bearing walls. Add foam panels and skirting. Gravel drive vs concrete drives. You can find all the materials you need for way less than the prices your quoting.
Sounds like she works for the government.
Great breakdown ! Covered all the bases. Sorry to hear you ADU supplier is no longer around.
You dont need a foundation...a trailer base resolves a lot of these permits and you don't have to worry about placement because it cane be moved..2000 bucks Insulation is a 500 dollar job on this small shed. The bathroom can be as little as 500 bucks...glooring about 500. A $400 minisplit is all you need for this shed....they come with dehumidifying modes. Extending a cleanout to the area where the shed is is about 1500 bucks. Setup 30amp for electrical and put up a ped 1500 bucks for a pro to do it.
As a professional i see just how crazy this is even though the median home price is above 400k.
150k on the highend isnt too bad other than the space of the home and with it being less than 400sqft man 2nd stories are a must.
I think an older well maintained RV short time is a better choice!
You may be able to go to a habitat for humanity store and get doors, cabinets, flooring and pretty much anything you would need to finish the home. They may have paneling, don't know about lumber, but something to look into. I've never personally shopped at one but I have heard of plenty of people who have. And I would also look for different options for finishing. All those couple hundred dollars add up quick.
Wonder if anyone has bought this tiny home. Going to go check out ratings.
It's a shed and sheds are not meant to be homes. They are not as structurally sound and often the material doesn't hold up to the elements.
Anyone who has the sense to know which end of the hammer to hit a nail with can do a lot of the work. TH-cam is full of videos that will teach you whatever you need to know. It won't be a fast build out but you can live in it while you are turning it into a house and you won't spend anywhere near $91,000 doing it.
Thanks Uncle Joe only 8 months later and this is now $10,143. 20% increase in just 2/3 of a year!!
Timber Prices need to come down, people shouldn't have to live in a shed. But that aside, this shed home isn't so bad. :D
This "shed to home" process is totally ridiculous!!! As you mentioned, you better check your local building codes and minimum residential sq ft requirements in your city/county/state. You'll wind up spending $ 30K-50K with a lot of aggravation, sweat equity, contractor fees/labor and CASH out of pocket for a 250 sq ft home. Get a used 2 br mobile home. I saw a Brand New 748 sq ft 2 br 1 ba mobile home in my area on sale for $ 44K. Gravel driveway is about $1000.
You still have to pay for somewhere to put it, and utilities. With the manufactured homes (RVs), it can be hard or very expensive to get a loan. Same with insurance. Might be better off with a small fixer or new prefab home.
Thank you sooo much for providing this information. This was very helpful.👍🏽
need simple homes that aren't finished.
I'd gladly install my own plumbing, electrical, and interior walls. I just want a shell and land.
Where I live Hvac must be 3x larger than what is needed for the space.
Don't forget a Habitat for humanity restore or a reuse business like that. You can get quality items for your home for great prices. Tile, toilet, cabinets, windows, you name it.
I get why people invest in building our vans, because the tiny home alternative is so expensive.
Yep, these cute little tiny homes that we see on YT are really overpriced. You'd be better off renovating an older home in a reasonably priced area or building a small prefab home in an area that has less regulation.
Structure only concerns: So, no house wrap, no ice shield on roof. Quality of shingles? 2x4 doesnt give a lot of room for insulation and you have to meet code (R value). Window size- is that up to code for egress? 2x4 floor joists and roof joists-really? Ya know you can build from scratch, with better materials and spend less for the shell. Door screens, window screens, quality of the doors & windows. Add a few walls for bathroom and a door. Trades (plumbing/gas, electrical, sewer/septic) are not cheap. Last time you called a plumber- what was his charge just to show up? Permits are BIG issues. Zoning. Find rural areas with proper zoning. I.E. only 3 counties in AZ allow for "tiny homes". Often times you need to meet a certain ratio of house to lot size. Going off grid?- Add solar, rainwater capture, gutters. Land cost? They really should NOT advertise these as tiny homes- they are sheds which have different construction regulations/codes. Many states dont permit an ADU with cooking facilities. If doing this for aging in place or for aging parent- they aint climbing stairs to go to bed. There is nothing ADA compliant in that space.
2x4s could be legal in southern states. And poor states like KY, WV, TN have low requirements for insulation, etc. No one in a northern climate that get hot & humid in summer wants a concrete slab foundation as you have to run an ac or dehumidifiers nonstop or you get mold. Plumbing and stringing electrical wire can be done diy and get a licensed electrician to check it and do the box. If you’re going off grid solar then research that and get help if needed. In the country you don’t have to have electrical, saw plenty of Amish houses with no wiring for sale. They’ve got out houses also so composting toilets would be ok. Depends where you put the house and how much comfort. Oh, and linoleum is way cheaper for flooring and easier to clean, that’s why many Amish have it. A butcher block bench top would be cheaper too or tile bench top on plywood.
Facebook marketplace definitely would be a great option because if I am spending money possibly I can upgrade inside decor less expensive.
If you get to where living in a shed is your life,,, why waste all that money on ad ons.
Buy a table,coleman stove, a bed, tv and food. Youll be rich.
I love your show..
My sewing she SHED was $5k … insulation, electrical, window unit, floor , French doors , Total expense was $8K
Yeah, that would not meet zoning in my area. You need to have a certain sq ft for it to be a dwelling.
2x4 framing just doesn't cut it. This is a storage shed, not a home.
2x4 is just fine for that small of space. Many full size homes are still built with 2x4 depending on location. It does not take that much to heat and cool that size of a space.
@@zanesutherland406 I understand that, but the cost differential between a similar if not slightly larger space built with advanced framing, optimal value engineering using 2x6‘s is not that much material wise and not at all labor wise. The difference is a structure that depending upon location has the potential to last twice as long if not longer and be far more solid and an overall much better value.
Wouldn't mind the 2X4s if they made it 16"OC instead of 24".
@@demar1496 even @ 16” OC it’s a dog house. 2x6 24” OC advanced framing is the way.
@@zanesutherland406 what you spend on utilities will be pricier beause it is inadequately insulated.
My parents bought their first home in 1956. They paid $10,000 and their monthly house payment was $106.
1956 that's expected. It's 2023
Loved the bathrobe scene XD
I would double the bathroom budget because as someone with mobility problems I need both a larger shower and taller oval toilet. But then again I couldn’t use a ladder and have to have stairs if I do a loft.
I will make my own sewer, an have a spring. Electric hookup is free if I build a house. I can also do off grid.
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What company makes your tiny home? I like that simple style and roof.
So basically you can possibly get this home for what you would be paying for a $1500/mo apartment for 3 years. Not too shabby. Great video
Well it is one way to go I guess. The key is to have land. For the long haul it is monthly costs within reach and protected from landlords.
You still have to have permission to put this kind of structure on your land, get permits and have inspections. And it will cost to bring utilities to the property.
@@RMMomma4Eva Yes.
Thank you for your research and willingness to help us find essential tools in the tiny home process. You mentioned Utah, are you located in Utah?
She's in Louisiana. ❤
For a toilet. Consider height and width Narrow can work but you need to fit and as you age low toilets are difficult if you developed mobility issues. Think to the future. I have issues with cheap low toilets in public settings like gas stations
Sorry we were in your "loo" lol. Great video.I live in a tiny cottage (750 sf) and love it. These however are way too small for me.
I would just live out of a minivan and you can but a bed, tiny bathroom, and kitchen and live in that and get a P.O. Box. And you can work from home or cover your windows when at work and then when your off drive around and find another place to park.
HVAC and not a window unit?
Check your county codes first, most won't allow you to live in it.
Most states require 2X6 exterior studs, double paned windows 6/12 pitch roof
window unit ($500) will do fine for Air Conditioning.
The $30,000 well and $10,000 scare tactic in Utah would also apply to manufactured homes or any other structure needing water in Utah. She has no idea of realistic pricing. Her tiny home is a million dollars. Someone is a hater on tiny homes.
Kitchen or kitchenette? One needs a permit ($$$) the other does not. Difference is one has an oven and the other does not.
Great video!!! Super informative, detailed, and FUN! Thank you!
The thing of it is , you got to do most of everything yourself to be able to build and afford your home. Me and my husband built our home on 5000. And did everything ourselves. It’s now worth 500k
Nice. 👍🏻
Thank you for breaking this down!
Thank you! Youre so knowledgeable with great energy
Wait, did you include SEPTIC/ SEWER?
A lot of this is bad advice, in my opinion. Using a tiny fridge is a bad idea. So is buying the cheapest cabinets. A kitchenette with a full size fridge would be a better use of space. And don't forget, the cabinets can go to the ceiling, so don't miss the opportunity to utilize storage. This is against the law in my area anyway. It has to do with fire codes apparently.
Be carefull of permitting most places won t let you live in them
In 2024, For your driveway figure $5-$6 sq foot and for the foundation figure $10-$12 sqft. Average driveway of 20’x100’ would be $10,000 just for the concrete work, not even including any kind of drainage, site work, or select fill. Many places especially here in Texas a new water meter tap will cost $5,000-$15,000. That shed package is just materials, which could be purchased for much less anyway. Imagine it like this… someone posted a photo of a beautifully decorated ready to cut wedding cake, and then advertised it for sale as a wedding cake kit, you don’t get the cake in the photo you get bags and boxes of ingredients in the package that is delivered. Go ahead and make that cake just like the photo, 80% of the cost is in the labor, tools, facilities and talent it took to put the cake together, same thing with these sheds/tiny house kits.
Craig's List, FB Marketplace, Habitate For Humanity Resale Store, Thrift Stores, Yard Sales for building supplies. Many people over buy for home projects or sell old cupboards. Sweat equity really does pay off.
I would buy Benjamin Moore Paint. It's just better quality and way easier to work with. They will tint the primer for free, and then you can usually get away with one coat, which saves time and money. With such a small space, you barely notice the extra cost.
Awesome, video. Thank you for this information.
My neighbor did this as a pool house and rents it out on airbnb sometimes said it cost her about 40k to build
That's because she already had utilities there. Bringing them in is the main cost.
These are illegal to use as a house in Tennessee.
At this rate, it feels like you're better off buying a fixer-upper.
You can buy a shed already assembled with doors and windows for less money.
Looks like a fancy tool shed to me.