I find it hard to believe there could be a material that unique that only existed in one place. Recently I've started to think that, despite how populated that the Galaxy seems at a glance, I think in reality most of it was still largely empty and unexplored. It's really really hard to wrap your mind around the scale of just how BIG a galaxy is. Building on this idea and looking at the official maps in source books, I get the impression there were probably tens of millions of solar systems that were just too far from major hyperspace routes, and as such were not reasonably accessible. Even by the time of the movies, with over 25,000 years of "galactic history" there was still talk about lots of unexplored territory. And that makes a lot of sense to me actually when I look at some real world estimates of how long it would take for a civilization on the technological level to build a dyson sphere to colonize a galaxy usually being in terms of *MILLIONS* of years. So that special material needed for the cloaking devices probably wasn't limited to that one nebula. That was probably just the only known source. That's how I choose to think of it anyway.
TBF, prospecting for such a specific resource across the entire galaxy would require an obscene amount of probe droids, probably ones modified as well. We DO know that it wasn't just in that nebula, because Mirramere is mentioned. That said, said crystal island is stated to be literally invisible. If that's true, it is possible that all the other deposits were invisible as well. There's also the fact that Stygium crystals were a class of khyber crystal (using one in your lightsaber made an invisible blade) and may have had exceptionally specific criteria for their formation.
Quite possible that galactic civilisation was limited to mostly naturally habitable worlds. Whilst terraforming is technically possible it's still a vast and costly undertaking, almost never worth it, so much easier just to set up shop where nature had already provided a breathable atmosphere. It certainly seems like the vast majority of the galaxy is uninhabited.
@@RJALEXANDER777 Yeah. And that makes sense given the context too. Though FTL travel in SW is possible, it's highly limited and described as very dangerous when you don't travel on known paths. So both that limitation combined with the cost associated with terraforming, it fits that much of the galaxy would remain unexplored even after 25k+ years of history.
That's likely because when the Thrawn books were written other ideas about cloaking devices hadn't been yet. I distinctly remember in the books them talking about "finally" making a "viable" cloaking device. While this could be that they mean "finally made one viable with something other than the special material" I don't think that was the original intent based on how it was talked about in the book. Personally though, that kind of minor detail difference doesn't bother me.
Well, just less successful- they DID destroy the rest of the TIE Phantoms and the production facility. Essentially, the mission went from a solid A to a B-
Because the crew were deeply loyal to Admiral Sarn, who was in turn a protege of Harrsk before Endor so the crew were just joining their former commander's friend and mentor.
Just the Trench Run level of the first game was declared non-canon (for SOME reason); the rest falls into game level canon. (And a lot of the non-gameplay elements, such as locations and vehicles (like the TIE Phantom) have been elevated to higher canonicity.)
I do think Batch being killed off in the way he did was rather boring, his forces could've made a fun imperial remnant in that sort of region of space.
That joke with Palpatine at the end was in extremely poor taste. I understand not wanting to get involved in the Lucasfilm and Legends vs Canon debate, but when you say you want no part in it and then make jokes that mock one side or the other for any reason, it looks disingenuous and makes you look like an asshole. Either pick a side or stop bringing it up.
When did I ever say I want no part in it? I've always been very clear that I have no respect for the ragebaiters, I don't tend to make videos specifically *on* them because I don't want to waste the time on them and that only feeds into their ecosystem. That's also not some "Legends vs Canon debate" which I do think is a false dichotomy and have no interest in trying to pick a side in (because I can and do enjoy both). That's *part* of why I think the ragebaiting channels who try to frame it that way are ridiculous at best and grifters at worst. There are plenty of people who only like one or the other without making up nonsense about civil wars at Lucasfilm and try to get their fanbase as pissed off as possible over their weird "Lucasfilm hates fans" or anti-SJW stuff or whatever. If that somehow gets conflated as being about Legends vs Canon then no, that's no the same thing actually. Aside from all that, this was actually a pretty generic joke about clockbait in general. I don't know how much clearer I can be in this, but The Fandom Menace sucks.
@@CoreysDatapad My investment in the Disney era died years ago, but yeah, my life is considerably happier if I don't let myself get sucked into the echo chamber of negativity. And hey, I thought it was funny.
@@CoreysDatapad Doesn't mean you need to stick this crap into all your lore videos. I just roll my eyes whenever you try to stick some "joke" about it into every video. It's annoying and takes me out of the video. You've made your views on it clear on both Twitter and on the podcast so stop bringing it up in lore videos.
Then stop watching them. If you're both going to get upset about a joke about clickbait, then it's probably not for you and me saying things that annoy you is not likely to change.
Captain Needa: "No ship that small has a cloaking device!"
Grand Admiral Batch: **Laughs in Tie Phantom**
No ship that "cheap" has a cloacking device. Personally that's how I read it. Typical Imperial arrogance.
Needa probably has no clearance in knowing that, he's just a lowly captain afterall.
I find it hard to believe there could be a material that unique that only existed in one place. Recently I've started to think that, despite how populated that the Galaxy seems at a glance, I think in reality most of it was still largely empty and unexplored. It's really really hard to wrap your mind around the scale of just how BIG a galaxy is.
Building on this idea and looking at the official maps in source books, I get the impression there were probably tens of millions of solar systems that were just too far from major hyperspace routes, and as such were not reasonably accessible.
Even by the time of the movies, with over 25,000 years of "galactic history" there was still talk about lots of unexplored territory. And that makes a lot of sense to me actually when I look at some real world estimates of how long it would take for a civilization on the technological level to build a dyson sphere to colonize a galaxy usually being in terms of *MILLIONS* of years.
So that special material needed for the cloaking devices probably wasn't limited to that one nebula. That was probably just the only known source. That's how I choose to think of it anyway.
TBF, prospecting for such a specific resource across the entire galaxy would require an obscene amount of probe droids, probably ones modified as well. We DO know that it wasn't just in that nebula, because Mirramere is mentioned. That said, said crystal island is stated to be literally invisible. If that's true, it is possible that all the other deposits were invisible as well.
There's also the fact that Stygium crystals were a class of khyber crystal (using one in your lightsaber made an invisible blade) and may have had exceptionally specific criteria for their formation.
@@papapalps2415 lmao. There is no truth. The entire series is fiction dude.
Quite possible that galactic civilisation was limited to mostly naturally habitable worlds. Whilst terraforming is technically possible it's still a vast and costly undertaking, almost never worth it, so much easier just to set up shop where nature had already provided a breathable atmosphere. It certainly seems like the vast majority of the galaxy is uninhabited.
@@RJALEXANDER777 Yeah. And that makes sense given the context too. Though FTL travel in SW is possible, it's highly limited and described as very dangerous when you don't travel on known paths. So both that limitation combined with the cost associated with terraforming, it fits that much of the galaxy would remain unexplored even after 25k+ years of history.
@@papapalps2415 Huh? I was implying the opposite. Habitable worlds are going to be few and far between.
Great to see this series back, I was afraid it was gone for good.
I was definitely looking forward to covering this Grand Admiral.
Aren't there some source conflicts as to whether Thrawn's devices needed Hibridium or were just purely artificial?
That's likely because when the Thrawn books were written other ideas about cloaking devices hadn't been yet. I distinctly remember in the books them talking about "finally" making a "viable" cloaking device. While this could be that they mean "finally made one viable with something other than the special material" I don't think that was the original intent based on how it was talked about in the book.
Personally though, that kind of minor detail difference doesn't bother me.
When are the Grand Admirals sorted in a tierlist?
This could actually be a fun idea
Yeah, the Jedi and Sith have already beaten him to the clothing style.
*Oh, you mean stealth technology. My bad.*
Closer.
Still need to do the best Grand Admiral.
Zaarin obviously, in my purely unbiased opinion
The Senate approves this statement
Hahaha yeah I wish they didnt cut him out of the lore...really enjoyed blowing up his ships.
The Blue man is gonna take objection to this.
@@heavyarms55 let him try!
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I have a strange feeling that may happen.
Wasn't the captured TIE Phantom also self-destructed by Vader's orders, thus rendering some of the Rebel mission moot?
Well, just less successful- they DID destroy the rest of the TIE Phantoms and the production facility. Essentially, the mission went from a solid A to a B-
Another fun deep dive. Can't find this type of content anywhere else across TH-cam.
Right, so this guy runs to the Outer Rim, and his forces then mutiny and join a Deep Core Warlord? Why not Kaine or Teradoc?
Harrsk was one of the first to actually get established and the Deep Core probably seemed safest
Because the crew were deeply loyal to Admiral Sarn, who was in turn a protege of Harrsk before Endor so the crew were just joining their former commander's friend and mentor.
Huh. So there's actual lore behind it and it's not a case of Legends being slightly uncoordinated.
@@randomguy-tg7ok I mean it's a bit of both as is often the case later material clarified more of why certain characters went where they did.
As always, a well intelligent and well researched piece of Star Wars EU.
Thumbs up if you remember the Rebel Alliance's MVP: Rookie One
Han: Yeah, so the transit guy literally changed my name to Solo
Rookie One: You think that's rough- lemme tell you about my name...
I clicked on this video purely because I love Tie Phantoms
Rebel Assault II is a lot of fun.
Darth Malgus vibes
3:40 "The newSR." Are you okay?
I move they add this fellow to one of the new shows, and get Kelsey Grammer for the role
Zaarin
Wait… I thought the Rebel Assault games aren’t (Legends) Cannon, because Luke doesn’t exist in those games
Just the Trench Run level of the first game was declared non-canon (for SOME reason); the rest falls into game level canon. (And a lot of the non-gameplay elements, such as locations and vehicles (like the TIE Phantom) have been elevated to higher canonicity.)
I do think Batch being killed off in the way he did was rather boring, his forces could've made a fun imperial remnant in that sort of region of space.
Not a fan of the Rebel Assault games myself, fortunately or unfortunately.
That joke with Palpatine at the end was in extremely poor taste. I understand not wanting to get involved in the Lucasfilm and Legends vs Canon debate, but when you say you want no part in it and then make jokes that mock one side or the other for any reason, it looks disingenuous and makes you look like an asshole. Either pick a side or stop bringing it up.
When did I ever say I want no part in it? I've always been very clear that I have no respect for the ragebaiters, I don't tend to make videos specifically *on* them because I don't want to waste the time on them and that only feeds into their ecosystem. That's also not some "Legends vs Canon debate" which I do think is a false dichotomy and have no interest in trying to pick a side in (because I can and do enjoy both). That's *part* of why I think the ragebaiting channels who try to frame it that way are ridiculous at best and grifters at worst. There are plenty of people who only like one or the other without making up nonsense about civil wars at Lucasfilm and try to get their fanbase as pissed off as possible over their weird "Lucasfilm hates fans" or anti-SJW stuff or whatever. If that somehow gets conflated as being about Legends vs Canon then no, that's no the same thing actually. Aside from all that, this was actually a pretty generic joke about clockbait in general.
I don't know how much clearer I can be in this, but The Fandom Menace sucks.
@@CoreysDatapad My investment in the Disney era died years ago, but yeah, my life is considerably happier if I don't let myself get sucked into the echo chamber of negativity. And hey, I thought it was funny.
@@CoreysDatapad Doesn't mean you need to stick this crap into all your lore videos. I just roll my eyes whenever you try to stick some "joke" about it into every video. It's annoying and takes me out of the video. You've made your views on it clear on both Twitter and on the podcast so stop bringing it up in lore videos.
Then stop watching them. If you're both going to get upset about a joke about clickbait, then it's probably not for you and me saying things that annoy you is not likely to change.
@@CoreysDatapad CLOCKBAIT...? I am intrigued and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.