"i will not sacrifice the Enterprise, we've already made to many compromises, too many retreats. they assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back, they destroy entire cultures and we fall back. the line must be drawn HERE! THIS FAR NO FARTHER! AND I...WILL MAKE THEM PAY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!!!"
In short, reality itself. If you wanted to understand the fall of the Wh40k universe, it is best to understand that the vert fabric of reality itself has turned hostile against the common man. Acts of brutality aren't condemning because they are a necessity. You can't blame entitrely what the Inquistion, Ecclesiarchy or even the average man does, when your living in a world that is out to kill you from the moment your born. Mercy? Prepare to get defiled as atonement. Reasoning? Better hope the other side simply headshots you soon. Kindness is the only thing still applicable and universal, but it is a strange commodity that doesn'f translate well even between individuals. That doesn't there isn't a chance. Hope is dead, but the spirit still lives. Its what the Imperium stands for deep down.
I loved that Thrawn basically ended this with "I have no fucking clue what to do if we have to fight these monstrosities. I just know how bad this is."
The imperium of Man is fighting four different end-game crises, an upstart new species, and the bipolar remnants of the people who started that mess all at the same time.
At worst the eldar are responsible for slaanesh (and even then the craftworld eldar were the ones who specifically avoided the hedonism that caused the fall), the other three afaik were born out of the war between the Old Ones and the Ctan
"Understand a species' art and you understand that species. But don't try to apply this to Dark Eldar or Slaanesh cultists. You DON'T want to understand their 'art.'"
Thrawn: "To defeat your enemy, you must know your enemy. Not just their military tactics, but their history, philosophy, art." (sees painting by Dark Eldar) Thrawn: "Well I certainly know them now and I wish I didn't."
@Drakenfoul The Inquisition would probably give them a pass once they realize they're just an abhuman strain that evolved blue skin and the same eye colour as Salamanders. A bunch of them would get dissected before the Inquisition came to this conclusion, but it's better than being subjected to a full-on Xenocide. Honestly, the blazing red eyes probably WOULD help the Chiss. They just need to really play up their resemblance to one of the Imperium's favourite chapters.
Thrawn once again demonstrates his superior tactical and strategic mind by being one of the few figures from the Star Wars universe who has thought to stop, take a step back, and ask why the Imperium is the way it is. What could drive a society to become so massively militarised and extremely xenophobic? He then came to the logical conclusion - there must be forces back in the Imperium's home galaxy that have shaped the Imperium as a society, most likely incredibly dangerous foes that have necessitated the creation of such a monstrous war machine as the Imperial military. Thrawn does not yet know the true nature of those threats, but he has correctly deduced their existence. He is the canary in the coal mine. The question now is whether anyone will pay heed to his warnings before it is too late.
Unfortunately thanks to Dr. Sheena, everybody believes these Imperial forces to be nothing more than disgruntled descendants of the Pius Dea. The vast majority of the Republic will write them off as just a cult of xenophobic nutters, and not realize they are an extra-Galactic civilization fighting even worse monsters.
Fortunately most of those trillions of troops are busy being fed to the Nids, orcs, demons etc or suppression of rebellion and heresy. So ironically the Future Galactic Empire is in the perfect position to learn from this invasion and have a TRULY real reason to form an effective military. I foresee Darktrooper/Astartes analogues. Phase III from Darktroopers game is already an Astartes AT LEAST level unit.
Thrawn explaining the 40k universe is surprisingly interesting. There is no bias or propaganda in any of it. He's like a Vulcan, speaking only the factual truth.
Note that while he'd managed to scrape together minimal information on the Custodes, Thrawn has no idea that the Grey Knights are a thing. That's a nice detail.
@@Baitin_Amphibian In this war story, assume what has come to the SW universe is nothing but a scouting party, which is hinted at when talking about how big the army actually is, and they only have seen little. They talk about space marines, impressed and unimpressed which means there is probably a handful of chapters traveling with the Imperium, and it's most likely not the Black Templars. Any mechs the imperium has is better off set going to more front line worlds than worrying about a lesser Tau universe at the moment, I speculate that we will start seeing these war machines when the Imperiums more "Natural Predators" are more frequent. Them Assuming that the SW universe as a whole is corrupted. We will see how the force reacts to the warp invading.
@@greatjagras6381 3, I think, the Skywatch(Ultramarine descent), the Crimson Razors(Imperial Fist descent), the Tempered Hands(Imperial Fist descent I think), plus a few Space Wolves and Salamanders apparently. Edit: Overall, 2500-3500 Space Marines in total. Edit: Sorry the Tempered Hands are an Iron Hands successor.
I think it could make it into a nice crossover. The force is basically the effect of the warp on the real world. They believe, that it comes from life, but instead life, and the souls of the living are merely windows to the warp. In the SW galaxy the warp is somewhat different, and instead of the 40k. chaos gods there are only two. Light, and Dark side. And these two are constantly fighting, and sometimes decide to use their pawns in the living world as well for the fun of it.
It's how he knows them, and in truth, given the way either psykers and Force Users work, they effectively become two sides of the same coin, as the Warp and the Force are the primal forces of the universe itself in both respective settings, with a lot of overlap. Thrawn is not off in his assessment.
I imagine when the video's maker ran his script through the audio bot, he got this result and kept it for that reason. It does fit, but I bet it's just the default pronunciation for these things. Sort of like when people do the Dagoth Ur videos using the same software, people have to manually adjust the way they write the script to make the bot speak the words properly. ex. OP probably wrote "custodes", but if he wrote something like "custodees" he'd probably get the correct pronunciation.
Thrawn realizing the Imperium isn't the worst thing coming their way and going "FUCK" was my favorite part of writing this. If anyone could see the writing on the wall, Thrawn would.
@@LordOfWisdom59 He's had skirmishes with the "Far Outsiders", so if anyone could imagine a long-approaching extragalactic threat - without Force-foresight, even - it would be him.
Yep, one reason the Astartes are so few in number is battlefield casualties. He's seen what they're capable of. For them to be thinned out requires a threat so galaxy shattering that the Empire would not survive.
Thrawn's speculation that the Imperium is a prey society is actually very interesting. The Imperium is vigorous thanks to its sheer size, yes, but it's a shadow of its former self.
That would also make the Tau Empire a Predator Society by this standard. Also, I wonder if the Imperium citizens or administratum Thrawn was interrogating confused him for a Tau? The Chiss and Tau appear very similar. Or would not all of the Imperium know about the Tau? His report didn't mention the Tau, so his sources possibly didn't have that knowledge.
@@ckl9390 Not just that, but a predator that has yet reached its prime, for the Tau Empire still has not experienced their own fall from grace. And it's only due to their naivety, limited knowledge of their galaxy, and the overwhelming threat that besets them which slowed their progress.
@@ckl9390 No, the Tau are a prey society ironically being protected from most of their predators by one of their other predators. The Tau, during their first contact with the Imperium, assumed they were facing an opponent of roughly equal size - an empire of a couple dozen planets. When they found out that the Imperium was much larger (a couple billion planets), the etherials promptly classified all information to avoid a mass panic, since they knew how fucked they were. It's quite literally the fact that there are other sharks in the ocean that keeps the Tau from getting devoured. They aren't the Q'orl, as much as GW likes to forget the *single biggest threat to the Imperium* exists. They're an upstart empire that only lives because their many threats are too busy killing each other off to kill them.
To be honest, Thrawn is probably the only one in the Star Wars Galaxy who would fully understand the threat on Chaos and The Tyranids and why both need to be annihilated.
He would also understand that (regarding Chaos and the Warp, at least), a military solution is impossible. He would understand that the Warp is a reflection of the material plane, and the sins of the living translate into the Warp. Thrawn would understand that the Imperium has doomed itself by choosing cruelty and barbarity.
@@DreamersOfRealityHe is smart enough to know that the horrors of the warp aren't merely a creation of the Imperium. The warp is borne out of the hearts of every single living being in the universe. His forces are as susceptible, if not more so thanks to their ignorance, as those Imperial forces. This message isn't so much a warning to immediately prepare a defensive action against the myriad of extragalactic forces, but to prepare themselves against a disease that'll begin to infect the soul of the galaxy itself.
It takes jedi masters, maybe generations of them, to figure out real solution of chaos problem. The way of the jedi maybe the exact thing wh40k universe needs
@@DreamersOfRealityhaha, LOL Nope. IOM is indestructible while God Emperor of Mankind lives. His withered body still holds 4 Chaos "Gods" at bay, he keeps interstellar travel open and people has being in which they believe, never losing hope.
@@jakkuhl6223Pretty much the situation in 40k of most xenos being hostile to humanity and other xenos with many being that way as how thrawn describes the theory on the video to get rid of competition of other species for resources, ideology, territory, etc
@@xninewxw7559 Of course, you can have any number of friendly civilizations, but as soon as there's even one, singular civilization who is paranoid and xenophobic enough to try to nip the others in the bud, every civilization which survives must necessarily be paranoid - since any who weren't would be dead.
@@conatus1306This literally happened in the real world. Before the Yamnaya(Proto-Indo-Europeans) the neolithic was sparsely populated and battle was rare. Many peaceful cultures existed. The Cucuteni culture had almost no weapons and were probably matriarchal egalitarian farmers. They were the Yamnaya's first victims, and the Yamnaya took the Cucuteni's potter wheels, and adapted them to their horses to make chariots Now? We literally can never go back to the old ways. Population numbers are too high, and every culture now understands warriors as a pillar of their society.
This final group has been called many names by those our forces have interrogated. The Golden Warriors The Guardians of the Emperor The Imperial Guardians And finally their most common name The Coostodes
I cringe whenever I hear that but my head cannon work-around is that Thrawn doesn't speak low (or high) Gothic so his pronunciation may be a bit... off.
"Like two male Lothaian deer fighting over who the forest belongs to, we do not notice the wolves in the bushes all around us. And if we continue to waste our energy on this fight, we will stand no chance against the hungry predators on our doorstep." CHILLS
And I think what makes it so dark is that it's clear he's afraid, not of the Imperium itself, but of what kind of unspeakable horrors the Imperium must be threatened by to not only make such a civilization necessary, but even possible in the first place. He knows that whatever the Imperium is fighting will soon follow and that the Galaxy is not even close to being ready to face it.
He seems to respect the threat the Imperium itself poses as well though, as he acknowledges that the Republic may not have assets capable of defeating even a single Custode.
@Ima Pseudonym victory lies in using hyperspace to go full scorched earth on imperial Agri worlds, tying the imperium down in mass famine while avoiding the big fights
I'd imagine that's what the magos biologis has had in mind when the great devourer has 1st appeared on Tyran. Some of his last thoughts/words most likely. Remember in this crossover thrawn has only met the imperium because they have been running away from something. I can imagine only 2 powers capable of standing up and overpowering the imperium. The devourer, or the ancient empire.
Thrawn answers his own question as to why there are so few Space Marines when he suggests that it has to do with a rebellion. Damn you Horus. Thrawn's realization that there are things worse than the Imperium in it's home galaxy is sobering.
I love how Thrawn's closing thoughts amount to a take on the long-running "Starwars vs 40K" debate that often crops up in geekdom, concluding, essentially: "Mutually assured destruction. If the Imperium and Empire were foolish enough to engage one another in full-scale war, it would leave both critically weakened against Orks, Chaos, Genestealers etc etc."
The Imperium would utterly crush the Galactic Empire simply by virtue of scale. The number of ships, tanks, and bodies that the Imperium can throw at any given problem is beyond comprehension by Star Wars standards. You could reasonably make the argument that the Imperium can’t actually bring its full night against the Empire because their forces are way too tied up on other fronts, and that’s legitimate… but then it’s not truly a pure analysis of the Imperium versus the Empire anymore.
@@Tinandel I mean if we simply use the scale we have shown, even the most heavily fortified planets in Star Wars have like 3-4 space stations and a few planetside defences. a single Space Marine Battle Barge could probably invade and conquer an entire star wars system simply by destroying all defences and randsoming the capital cities. Unironically Space Marines would be an utter nightmare for the Star Wars universe for this very reason.
@@grimnir8872 I mean Star Wars have a few things imperium can’t really handle but if the imperium and the empire fought each other with no other enemies imperium is gonna trash on them
The problem is it wouldn't be MAD, at least not in the sense you would envision it especially if we assume that the Imperium is still fighting it's usual mess. The Imperium would send it's generally much more developed special forces sector to take out Palatine and his cronies inevitably and then leave what's left of the decapitated snake that is the Star Wars Galaxy to be slowly eaten away by the Imperium as their special forces routinely have to be sent out to ensure that no one that can unify the Star Wars Galaxy like Palps can and while the Imperium colonial authority continues to slowly gobble up more territory and integrate it. Because the alternative to the Imperium abusing their space magic and various super soldiers and specialists to keep the will of the Star Wars Galaxy permanently divided is them trying to fight a conventional war against the entirety of the Star Wars Galaxy which they are guaranteed to lose even if they were fully free of their various home galaxy threats and with those threats still in play they are literally asking for Terra itself to be inevitably destroyed. Because the thing about the Imperium is that compared to even the fecklessness of the Republic, they're big, clumsy, slow, and stupid and consistently remain as such. In the course of 50 or so odd years, they Star Wars Galaxy went from having planet destroying firepower on the drawing board to building two death stars, one star killer base, hyperspace tracking, and the stupid but stupidly powerful Exegol fleet which is literally a fleet of ten thousand star destroyer sized combatant that manage to squeeze in Death Star levels firepower in a size not even the size of typical Imperium escort ships. Inevitably, given this and the fact that an intergalactic war like this would take centuries at the bare minimum to resolve, canonically, at the bare minimum of we start the war from this point in the Clone Wars, the Imperium would be mere decades away from having to contend with super weapons that would ruin their day and that aren't just one off or super special awesome and difficult to replicate to the point where they could just make another or more eventually and en masse. So, yeah, the Imperium inevitably loses a slugfest which is what most people envision when they discuss this topic and most people want to see, but has a hilariously easy instant win button by clandestine means if they actually approach this even with a moderate level of strategic acumen and desire to play to their strengths and their enemy's weaknesses.
Nope. Even with no other enemies, the Star Wars Galaxy would inevitably maul them by UP TECHING so hard if the war was fought in the way you and most people think of: conventionally. The Imperium either wins by decapitation strikes followed up by more decapitation strikes with their much better special forces sector or they get inevitably ground down to star dust.
@@travzac619No at least in EU Palpatine was aware of Yuzanwong invasion incoming even before EP1. That's how he met Thrawn btw. And all of that taking power and militarising the Empire in addition to well gain power was also to prepare for outside threat. There is no evidence that he would ignore the warning.
@@travzac619 Palpatine want to mess the warp.. And in instant.. Age of Strife Electree Bogaloo happened in SW Galaxy, FTL became collapsed when SW Hyper dimension filled with Warp and Chaos shit and Daemonic entity that much of them.. Capable consumed planet and star system existed and Chaos Cult exploded every where
He'd probably say it was an example of Force technology. Light Sabers being the most common example of Force technology. The hilt ejects a plasma stream, then somehow pulls it back in. The blade should generate enough heat to burn a Jedi's face off just by mere proximity, yet it doesn't. It all makes about as much sense as Ork technology.
@@Raziel312 That is illogical, just because we don't understand it in reality doesn't make it magic in star wars universe. I guess blasters would burn them selves up and and ships would implode when attempting to hyperspace. In star wars we were shown that lightsabers are just technology that most likely came to be in arms race between protection and weapon. Another example, are space marines using ork technology when shooting plasma gun ?
@@MarkoLomovic At least the plasma from the plasma gun doesn't pick and choose when it's going to be hot. Plus, Light Sabers stop being "just technology" when you make a crystallized shard of The Force as the core of the hilt.
Damn, Thrawn got the scenario down to the T! Finnaly, someone points out the fact there is something on with the Imperium and that it ain't the only thing fighting loudly in the night back home.
This was fantastic, I would love to see Admiral Thrawn’s reaction to learning that all these “myths” are far more fact then you would likely originally assume.
You did. His section on the Imperium being a Prey civilization ends with briefly mentioning the other terrors in the 40k universe, from the perspective of someone on the outside briefly looking in.
@Ima Pseudonym Its not really that complex. They have stood against the Yuuzhan Vong. A lot of warhammer fans tend to downplay the empire and massively overestimate the Imperium as if it would be a comically one sided conflict. It wouldn't be. And i have had this discussion several times with GW people at the main office, often passionate about both series. The Imperium even in 40k barely functions. Sure it's one of the most powerful fictional empires, but the galactic empire is nothing to scoff at either.
I’m still hoping Legemds General Grevious gets to fight a Swarmlord. Endless Droid Legion commander vs Endless Swarm Commander. Both have four swords. It’s PERFECT
@@senatuspopulusqueromanus2082Unless its Legends Grevious, in AFWTMT's series LG was put into hibernation, replaced, and set to be killed after the clone wars ended because of how insanely strong LG was and how he tipped the scales in the CIS's favor too hard. Dude in the fic singlehandedly killed a full squad of Astartes veterans, a Librarian, and probably a captain (tho we haven't gotten there yet.) If a named space marine can gank the swarmlord, I feel like cyborg doomslayer could.
@@LoW22341He killed a multiple squads. Even if Davik kills him the Razors would probably have lost 50% of the chapter. However I think Grievous will fight Davik to a standstill and he’ll run to Orion for saving.
@@gavinschwartz308 Multiple squads is like 20-30 marines? A lot to be sure, but I won't call that half of the Crimson Razors, can you please elaborate.
Martyrdom and Hatred are one of the core tenets of the Imperium as they will do everything and anything to fight and survive in the Grim Darkness of the far future, and that means that the art in the Imperium should inspired its citizens into zealous devotion.
Okay but lets also be a bit serious that the Imperium can thrive and beat their threats if they arent this zealot. The Interex and other big civilizations during the Great Crusade are an example
@@HomelessOldMan9000 There is legally sanctioned art in the Imperium (much like how most ancient Egyptian art was government sanctioned), and on top of that due to the feudal nature of the Imperium and its outright inefficiency I am sure plenty of worlds (that aren't rotting hive cities) have their own native planetary art forms anyways.
@@donkface8509 Also the Dark Age of Technology humanity, who'd wipe the floor with just about everyone else short of the Necrons. Really, the Imperium being a bunch of superstitious hyper-reactionary religious fanatics is not to their advantage. They are hanging on _despite_ that, not because of it.
There is a channel that has a animated Storm Trooper recruiting and Chaos Space Marines keep coming in. Just type in Stormtrooper-World Eater to find it.
My God this is amazing. Of course Thrawn would be the first to realise the dark forest the imperium of man came from is spreading to their own galaxy and it may already be too late for all of them.
@@luxj.9451 The force and the warp are two different things. The reason why the 40k galaxy sucks is because it's tainted by chaos. The Star Wars galaxy is not. Would the imperium's presence bring about the attention of chaos? Yes, to an extent. Chaos cults and and daemon incursions are NOT going to be occuring any time soon. The imperium can't waste the amount of ships it would take to conquer star war legends, but canon is indeed a stomp. Afan mixes these two and has admitted that he's nerfing star wars for the sake of the story. Palpatine in legends shouldn't be underestimated. He possesses the power to wipe out the entire imperium fleet in one go. Rather he does or not.is completely up to Afan.
I don’t know about the lore of this fan fiction but I feel that if they exist in the same reality the force and the warp are probably the same. The reason it’s benevolent in the Star Wars galaxy is that it doesn’t have a fraction of the evil that’s in the Milky Way
The Predator/Prey/Parasite is interesting, because the Imperium absolutely is prey. It also goes to show that just like wolves ganging up on a bison, the predator is not necessarily stronger than prey, just in a better position to be aggressive. The Tau are a predators. The Eldar, Necrons, and other minor species are parasites. Dark Eldar are a bit more tricky, they have traits of all three, but I think they're a parasite. They don't curry favor, but they don't expand and mostly subsist on piracy. The only one difficult to place is the Orks but I lean to a wolf. Of course, if the Orks and Tau are wolves... then the Tyranids and Chaos are damn grizzly bears.
The nécron would definitily be predator in that clacification. They are an extremly agressive xeno race which ultimate goal is to reconquer a galaxy that they once owned and beleive is rightfully their's.
@@chagui5253 but right now they are too busy taking a nap The Eldar have been predator, prey, and parasite. At the moment Necrons are not really predatory with the ones awake mostly doing things like collecting artifacts and trying to wake up more tomb worlds. Also they aren't really targeted for expansion by others, so they aren't prey. Hence I decided on parasite.
I still think the Tau are the most dangerous known enemy of the Imperium. They are actively progressing science and might at any point go through a technology explosion and develop weaponry that no other faction can deal with even though they have outrageous numerical advantage. All other factions are stagnant and not really likely to develop something that could straight up delete the Imperium. The most dangerous enemy would be a minor unknown faction whose first contact would be dark forest striking Terra.
I like the detail that Horus and his heresy isn’t mentioned throughout this. It is alluded to with the timeline of the emperor and the questions around the Astartes, but never directly mentioned
It is a shame that Thrawn, in both the Canon and the Legends timelines, is still within Chiss Ascendancy and as such is unlikely to enter the Fans story for some time yet. Great work nonetheless.
I'm genuinely not sure if Thawn would've been an enlisted officer or had even graduated from naval academy (let alone reached the rank of Admiral) by this point in the Star Wars timeline. Still, you absolutely nailed him here.
there's a book about a Jedi who took some younglings to exit the galaxy and Palp's had Thrown shoot them down. Thats how they met and Thrown was immediately considered by Palpatine to be very capable and so built a slow relationship/alliance to gain is service in exchange for protection to his people agains "the outsiders" which were the galactic invaders who came after palpating died. the vong
Tbf palps would probably give him the rank almost immediately in this canon after the first "battle" (more of a stomp than anything) of the series. Palps would know he'd need as many skilled tacticians as possible, hence why he put Omega in the command bridge before she was anywhere close to being mature enough to do so.
Plot twist, the Death Star and the thousands of Star Destroyers wasn't for controlling the galaxy it was for fighting off the eventual tyranid invasion. Death star probably the only gun big enough to destroy a massive leviathan in one shot reliably.
This needs to be a series, with Thrawn giving periodic reports on the continueing encounters with verious factions Personally, I look foreward most to his UTTER BAFFLEMENT upon encountering Orks. That would be hilarious!
Considering that Thrawn's most iconic ability is him studying the works of art from other cultures in order to gain insight into developing tactics that can be used against them.... Wait until he sees the 'art' produced by say.... The Drukhari and their Haemonculus, or the dance performances of the Harlequins.
@@chankljpa human being stretched into a spider-web mass of blood vessels, skin latching to the walls, and eyes, still intact so they can see what they’ve become.
I like this, and while I can totally see Thrawn look at the Imperium and concluding that they are a society molded by extreme external threats, and thus be worried by the potential that those greater threats might fallow... I don't like it being done through the lense of the hints of them we've seen at Axum, if he's getting information from captured Imperials and material, then he'd at least have good intel on at least the Nids that BattleFleet Xek-Tek was fleeing from, as well as any other Xenos captured personel might be veterans of conflict with. Then again, I'd also expect that the fact the Imperium's arrival was an unintended accident to also have come up at some point, so perhaps not...
Honestly the imps probably wouldn't give away much. After all, the guardsman who got captured and the mechanicus adept was the exception, not the rule. Thrawn also doesn't have force abilities so he can't tell what they are thinking.
@@LordOfWisdom59 while true it depends on if the force and the warp are the same thing ones just way calmer than the other and I can only imagine if the empire met the imperium of man’s enemy’s the emperor of man kind may not even need to sit on the throne after they crack hyperspace assuming it’s usable in the 40k area that would then make the emperor able to then maybe seal off the warp this after all imperium vessels or a majority at least have the tech which means the emperor not the Star Wars one the 40k one would get off his throne assuming the warp is what powers the bomb if it is no more threat to terra and well chaos is fucked and then massive reforms would happen then even worse the corps of the kreig would in all likelihood become even more fanatical than they already are as the emperor would forgive them and this even getting into how Star Wars would react to it if they saw the emperor of man literally show up instead of them thinking it was some god worship or some cult that wasn’t actually true that would utterly throw the Jedi Sith hell everyone off balance
@@Followerofchrist221 it's highly implied in AFans series that the force is basically the warp, and the dark side exists as a gestation of daemonic entities within the force. Reason why most force abilities are weaker and much less destructive compared to warp magic is because of the nature of the force within star wars, especially at the time of the clone wars. Jedi are generally weaker combatants because the light side is far less combat focused, because that really isn't the point.
@@LordOfWisdom59It could also be what they use to access the warp that causes the difference between the two. Psykers in 40k use their powers with their mind, giving them more power, but a direct line to demons and more specialized powerset. Jedi and the like access it through mediclorians spread all throughout their body, instead of only with their mind. This gives more diverse power in a single person and filters the worst of the warp, while providing much less power.
@@Followerofchrist221 think back before the War in Heaven. The warp was very calm back then. What the Star Wars Galaxy has is a pre-catastrophe version of the Warp that wasn't yet tainted by a colossal calamity. Not to the same extent, at least. That's my best attempt at fusing the universes together
For the first time in a long time, I’ve felt dread and fear associated with Warhammer. And this time over a faction that I even play on the tabletop. Sometimes all it takes is a change of perspective for the reality of that setting to really sink in. Fantastic work, I’d love more in this series.
This is exceptionally well-written, fitting Thrawn's signature thought process and analytical mind to a tee. Hearing it in his voice (or a damn close approximation) was just the icing on the cake. Well done!
I think the only problem with this is the lack of mention of Guilliman who would be known to the people of the Imperium at this point and is incredibly important.
@@lukebell2865 the other primarchs are unnecessary to mention but they all got a reference in the angels who saved the Emperor from the demons. However the return of Guilliman and his active involvement are incredibly important both to the actual functioning of the Imperium and to a massive degree religiously. It’d also probably be information known better than the Custodes.
Fair criticism, but in all likelihood the records recovered probably didn't mention Bobby G much. Remember, the Imperial force in Xek Tek ended up in the SW galaxy shortly after the great rift opened (short in 40k terms.) Which probably means G man wasn't up and around for that long. It's also my opinion that they went into the warp during the outfitting of primaris to the chapters (hence why only the Tempered Hands appear to have primaris marines.) which probably also explains why a few custodes got caught up in the warp jump.
@@LordOfWisdom59 Guilliman was involved with the recalling of the fleet (pretty sure he was the one to order it) from the planet and everything so the highest ranking members of the fleet would have known about his existence at this point. Guillimans return was widely publicised to the Imperium specifically because of the fact that he is such a symbol to the Imperial cult which was needed after the fall of Cadia and the widening of the eye, so is one of the few figures who groups like the sisters of battle and even the lower ranking peasants will know by name that is important within the inner workings of the Imperium.
I like how he described the Horus Heresy. That version of the Heresy is what the imperial higher-ups tell the others because the Emperor does not make mistakes, according to the Echlisiarchy, at least.
Only thing thrawn got wrong (arguably) is that the Admech dont innovate... they do believe all technology has been created and cannot invent... but they DO sometimes find xenos tech thats close enough to human theyll go "WE FOUND SOMETHING NEW!"
They're right, the Golden Age of technology created a human lead galaxy so powerful the Orcs signed a peace treaty. And then, then the Men of Iron rebelled.
I thought it was more like the Ancient Greeks, in that all technology has an “ideal” form which cannot be improved upon, but that new technologies can be made or found
@@absolutelyyousless7605 It's not new tech, it's old tech in STC files like the Lehman Russ Tank. There were Men of Iron in the 1st Legion, obviously tortured by the Emperor and stripped of free will. Excidio I believe. It took 7 excindio to hold off Conrad Kurze. That's how powerful the Men of Iron were. 7. Against a Primarch with foresight.
of which he does explain that along with the imperium to some extent but even he was on a tight schedule and musings so he has to make it quick and clear for palpatine to understand.
Imagine him encountering golden age humanity, watching one ship obliterate 6 star destroyers by firing mini black holes or suns at them, he wouldn't be able to minimize the "we are so screwed" energy
A Ship of Gold would be as dangerous to the Star Wars Galaxy™ as an extremely bored child playing with the Celestial Orrey. That is to say: *EXTREMELY* dangerous.
Utterly Amazing and insightful on the Imperium from a Star Wars viewpoint. I hope there will be more Thrawn videos on other 40k factions.I especially love the Preadator, Prey, and Parasites criteria model Thrawn uses. Is that model actually real in sociology?
No, I came up with it lmao, but it's inspired by the "theory of cosmic sociology" created by Liu Cixin for the dark forest books. It doesn't map onto 40k one to one, but it comes close and it was a good source of inspiration.
@@hotfuzzy153 ay, thanks! Honestly really proud of it, you can basically map it onto any scifi civilization or society and I didn't realize how versatile it is until recently.
Listening to this I finally understood what kind of advancement AI generation, both visual and audio, is. How much it will impact our lives. As one sith lord once said: "This is only the beginning."
It'd be cool to see Trazyn the Infinite give a personal tour of his collection to Thrawn, he's done it before, since one of the reason he built to was to preserve history and knowledge. The amount of information Thrawn would get would be wide and varied, plus I'd like to see his reaction to how Trazyn stole each one. Maybe it's out of kindness, arrogance, or just to fuck around. Who knows maybe he's planning to make Thrawn an future exhibit in his grand museum. Trazyn would definitely have some reasons.
I could totally see Thrawn hear about Trazyn. then do everything in his power to FIND this museum. goes to war to get there. and Trazyn lets him in. and the rest of the story is Thrawn enjoying the tour whilst also making escape plans because he knows Trazyn will be unlikely to let him go. after all. he made himself historically relevant. he has had a great impact on galactic affairs. surely a specimen such as him ought to be PRESERVED. that cat and mouse I would like to see play out. Thrawn risking it all to ender the lion's den. bask in the dragon's hoard. and escape from the monster's clutches.
I'm re-watching this since last year and in the intervening time I've started listening to A Fan With Too Much Time's Warhammer 40K vs. Starwars Crossover series. I realised that Thrawn is talking about the occupation of Axum and began to wonder if this was made in response to or with the knowledge of the aforementioned story series. The image chosen at 10:13 confirms this.
I now want to see a part 2 where the information comes from imperial spies, a good touch would be that they could only send human like spies because of the Imperium's xenophobia.
The notion that the imperium overtook and consolidated the Milky Way to finally break the web ways and spill into the star wars universe.. That would be a total bloodbath.
Yeah, for the Imperium. Get ready for a small loan of a bajillion Death stars, Star Killer bases, and Exegol fleets to inevitably roll back whatever gains the Imperium does make in a cosmic slaughter that probably would birth another Chaos God.
@@calebbarnhouse496 Not just the Imperium. Everything that's also ASSOCIATED with the Imperium. Tyranids. Orks. Nekrons. Eldar. **Chaos itself**. It's a bloodbath, not because the Imperium are doing the killing. It's because they're also inadvertently bringing their terrors into the Galaxy they wandered in.
To put it simply, it's like having a foreign predator wander into a stable biosphere, before the environments gets utterly wrecked by the predators OF that predator. The Galaxy isn't a participant in the conflict. *They're the playground the conflict will be happening in.*
Thrawn listing off trillions of soldiers under the banner of the imperium would be a lot more impressive if the droid army wasn't measured in quintillions
Sadly, that's EU, not cannon. But even still, the Droid army can literally be mass produced and replaced in a way that human soldiers cannot and could very easily balloon into the quadrillions with the right industrial setup.
@@VunderGuy the thing is that legends is still a (technically) living universe, though very very rare, pretty much just the clone wars, there has been additions to it since disney bought the franchise, and it is in every way better about the devoploment of the Universe in the in universe logic, and out of universe choices made
@@VunderGuy B1s also just suck, they're far better-suited for low-level internal policing than the battlefield. The volume of troops the Imperium can mobilize is also rarely the issue due to the sheer size of their population - equipping and transporting them is.
@@crowe6961 the average individual guardsmen can kill about 50 B1s, that's about 2 hours work of a geonosian factory, traded for 18 years of that guardsmen life B1s are far from useless, their numbers make up for their flaws
I beg you to continue with this. I am hooked and want to hear more of thrown reporting on his research into the imperium. I would pay for a whole books worth of audio reports.
Earth is worse than the empire in many respect for the last 4000 yeard their wasnt one year where one corner of our planet hasnt seen some kind of arment conflict
The 40k universe makes the Death Star look like a child's toy. The 40k universe has PTSD and it's inhabitants are the trauma. They're lucky they haven't met the Necrons yet.
Given, Star Wars has some pretty wacky weapons if you dive into Legends. Galaxy Gun, for example... Or the disgusting, atrocious Sun Crusher(Whoever wrote needed to be fired) and such. Nothing like a Celestial Orrery, but better than most of the stuff current day imperium has at its disposal.
Dude, not even. Disney cannon alone has technological Marvel's by 40k standards and that the Imperium specifically would find very difficult to overcome.
@@VunderGuy I doubt it. Star Wars's super weapons are just standard issue kit for the Imperium. Look up their weapons. They'd knock the snot out of the Galactic Empire and still have enough energy to genocide a xenos race or two.
"letter from Company Leuitenet Pyrus Branar of the Ultramarines, sent to grand admiral thrawn" Dear Thrawn, For an Abhuman, you and your chiss ascendency show incredible insight and wisdom for reaching such a conclusion, however there are some misunderstandings that I would like to correct, in the spirit of academia In line with darwinistic competition, the sheer amount of hypercompetitiveness found in the Milky Way galaxy has made our Imperium a powerhouse, both culturally and militarily like a rock unmoveable to the raging ocean. You've no doubt seen the bloodshed on the latest battle between our empires. The battle of Axum. And can attest to our inherent superiority over your galaxy. You are right to see this However we are not as you call, a "prey society" In our home galaxy, we are surrounded on all sides by multiple hostile factions, both xenos, heretic, and worse. Each of these factions would take an extensive book to fully explain, but know that were it not for the others, our imperium would have destroyed them centries ago. We are not as a deer or rabbit to be feasted upon wolves, we are like a great leviethan bloodied by a swarm of sharks. A vast majority of the factions, are far greater than your Republic or Seperatist alliance, and know that we have held them back for 10,000 years, and know that with the return of Guilliman the emperors favored primarch, we will hold them back another 10,000 years We will see you and your chiss ascendency soon Thrawn. I hope you will have the wisdom to submit Ave Imperator!
sadly, even guilliman would understand this better than anyone else, it was he who made the order to decrease the number of space marines to prevent another heresy along with the fact that the imperium supresses any information regarding the real truth of the heresy for the sake of keeping astartes and primarchs to the same light as the emperor, kinda like what the dark angels did when half of them went into civil war right after the heresy and still kept a secret to this day.
This is a good introduction to 40K to most people who are already familiar with Star Wars. I like that it keeps out complex plot points like the Heresy as to not overwhelm us with information
I can only imagine years later some New Republic official reading this and believing it, yet no one else does, only to eventually have the galaxy be swamped by the horrors of 40k
Well, in the context of the fanfic story that this was based on, the Imperium have so far taken over two Republic worlds, razed a good chunk of the the CIS territories, and have set up a colonization mission on Tatooine. In other words, it is not the type of incursion that can be ignored or will be forgotten anytime soon. For that matter, there might not even be a Galactic Empire in this universe, since the appearance of the Imperium have already thrown the entire TL on its head, with Padme surviving the birth of Luke and Leia, not to mention all the other changes to the universe.
I would love to see something like this for the Federation from Star Trek, it sounds like it would be fun to see it from that perspective and see what Thrawn would think about the Federation.
I need more Thrawn analyses (insert faction here) in general. What about his take on the Covenant from Halo? I'm up for Thrawn's takes on more 40k factions too.
A perfect representation of how Thrawn would react. Perhaps a little light on discussions of art and architecture. I'm also a little surprised he didn't put Knights and Titans into the same mythic category as the Custodes, but all in all spot on. Now if only Disney would put the same level of effort into it.
Well the Grey Knights are hidden from any possible records on purpose, very few even within the Imperium itself know of their existence and when someone out of these selected few happen to somehow learn about them they are quickly executed As for the Titan, yeah that is kind of an oversight
@@omnisans1649 I meant Knight houses not the Grey Knights. I'd totally understand Thrawn not finding out about them. At the Same time, I'd also imagine him figuring out they exist by looking at random paintings or reading hymnals on some random shrine world. But considering many worlds in the Imperium are feudal worlds, run by knight houses it's a stretch to say he wouldn't know about them.
Well, in the story that this video was based on, the Imperials did develop a Knight unit on the battlefield against the Republic. So Thrawn would know that it is real. And considering that the Imperial Knight until actually got taken down in battle, I am sure that Thrawn would have the best minds of the Republic military reverse engineering and studying that thing ASAP. Titans, however, is indeed something that he would put into the same mythic category as the Custodes.
This was amazing! I absolutely geek out over Thrawn and my wife (who loves star wars but isn't familiar with 40k) really appreciated the comparison. Are you planning to do more Thrawn-explores-40k stuff? A more in-depth look at imperial organizations or foes?
Maybe, there's a lot of SW v 40k stuff I wanna do, hell some more 40k stuff in general. I love the settings, both SW and 40k, and I'd like to explore them more even outside of thrawn
As usual, Star Wars fans putting infinitely more genuine effort into the setting than its current owners. I don't like Warhammer all that much, but hearing Thrawn dissect their culture and ideology is chilling.
As someone who likes Star Wars and doesn’t like Warhammer ether I feel that when we get our hands back on the franchise that we need to make sure that our own galaxy can fend off this totalitarian mess of a state
Your sci-fi universe has good guys with blue lasers and bad guys with red lasers. The entire setting revolves around skywalker junior. It’s a dream land for Che Guevara wannabes and Fidel Castro lovers. Max estrogen. *Please leave my sci-fi universe alone.*
@@Gorypaladin346 I mean Lucas, it’s obviously not us actually owning anything but at least with him he actually knows what we want or at least a majority
What? As a former Star Wars fan, warhammer 40k lore is a thousand times more complex than Star Wars. Especially after Disney. Star Wars is dead. Maybe Lucas can resurrect it, but I think it’s done.
Awesome stuff, however if you plan on doing something more with this, then I think Palpatine would be interested enough for Thrawn to elaborate further on some subjects. The religion and how it's enforced would be especially interesting to Palpatine as he could learn a bit from it. After all, he could try to build similar religion due to his position within Republic/Empire (especially Empire since he was not injured by enemy of the state during the Republic) being similar to that of the Emperor within Imperium.
That wouldn't really make any sense. Thrawn is still a member of the Chiss Ascendency in both Legends and Canon by this point in the timeline, and the Republic hasn't had any real chance to study Imperium documents or interrogate Imperium POW's in any meaningful way.
“I do not know what to do now.” If Palpatine had any sense, these words would cause a ceasefire of the Clone Wars, followed by the entire CIS forces, GAR and Jedi order mobilizing toward where the Imperium is encroaching into the galaxy. To hell with the Yuuzhan Vong, *this* is why the Empire of the Hand was founded.
the best part of this isn't the worlds colliding or anything to do with the crossover. The best part of this is portraying Thrawn as a nuanced and thorough thinker, committed to understanding his enemies holistically in order to beat them. Too many portrayals of him miss this
This is really interesting to me because I had an idea for a fan theory that one of Lost Primarchs was a sort of Thrawn-esque High Admiral that was unpersoned by the Emperor for his interest in alien cultures. Any chance for similar videos of Thrawn's reports on other 40K factions? I'd like to hear your interpretation of what he'd think of the Necrons and the Tau.
the Jedi she looked throughout the vale of reality to see were these humans no these monsters came from. she had always respected humanity for there determination and abilities in Negotiation but what horrors could make humans like this. She peaked beyond the vail saw a galaxy as it burned and screamed. she saw a million battlefields against a million foes, she saw great army’s of silver implacable machines made of living metal that take inter magazines to fell but one for it to simply rise again, she saw skinny things with sharp eyes and a cruel smiles that rode on barbed things that sped through the air as they laughed in cruelty at victims, she saw brutish green monsters with tools made of scrap that should not work but did anyway, laughing as they bombed city’s and slaughtered countless humans for fun, she saw hordes upon hordes of Chitnis things that swarmed and blotted out everything from the ground to the very stars and the great hunger that came with them. She saw things of the beyond and unknowable abominations a 8 pointed star of corruption, she saw countless men and women thrown into the meet grinder to hold the line so great strategies could be used that saw soldiers die in the millions but saved billions more, she saw great battles of grinding metal of the massive battle tanks that could crush a saber tank like nothing as cannons boomed and painted the sky red, she saw the sky scraper sized Titans do battle with one another with inter contents as there battle ground, All this and a million other wars she saw raids, orbital drops , Sieges, hundreds of planet shattering weapons and countless last stands were men ,women died screaming prayers, begging for a Saviour that would never come that and worse she saw great mountains of metal and steal jutting out of the ground and into the sky like black tumours each housing trillions, she heard countless voices raised in song and prayer as they worked day and night to produce weapons to hold against a hundred different apocalypses, she saw it all no she understood she had respected humans but here in this universe in this galaxy humanity had been twisted, turned Feral and driven insane from the pain of a war that never ends in galaxy were everything was a enemy she saw how it was impossible to survive there with out become monsters out of sheer Necessity. Returning from her vision back to her reality she did for these humans what no one would she wept the the Oder is strong on it rules on emotion but this these humans were beyond saving all one can do is Morn for them and the countless lives ended and forgotten even now with the vision faded she can still hear there screams and so she wept.
The theories on "Predator, Pray and Parasite" Societies fascinates me the most. Makes me wonder if there is a 4th state of living among existence? Something that is even more alien than imagined.
One could argue that the Tyrannid and similar sci fi "space locust horde" (Flood, Necromorphs etc) could occupy a fourth niche. But then again, they sort of fill the Predator role as well.
@@KalashVodka175 My idea for a Fourth Niche would be... Morph. Something that does not eat life like a predator. Something that does not coexist with life like a prey. Something that does not take anything small from life like a parasite. A something that changes both itself and the life it eats. Never stop changing to continue surviving.
Considering the Imperium would very likely view all the Xenos in the SW galaxy as "scheduled for termination", I think a pragmatic view would be "lessser of two evils"...
@@Rendell001 It requires either extreme emotional exploitation or a pragmatic argument in order for the audience to empathize and root for an evil enemy that in all of the movie lore, they've never been socialized to empathize with. Which is my point. Its one of the few best pragmatic arguments that could do this. The Empire, emotionally, to western viewers, are Nazis. It takes the Imperium of Man as an enemy in a WWII style planetary invasion movie to get you to root for the Storm Troopers. It would be glorious. Even Darth Vader......under the right calibration could give his troops a heart warming speech about freedom and the future of mankind. Amazing.
@@Dadecorban It's a very interesting take on the material certainly but I think a certain real life example is more appropriate... Soviet Union in WWII. A totalitarian state responsible for the deaths of millions (in gulags and in the Holodomor), invaded by Nazi Germany in June 1941. Britain - despite being ideological enemies of said state - immedietly embraced cooperation with Stalin's regime because the alternative was worse. This is called pragmatism. This also led to decades of torment for the peoples of Eastern Europe, the Cold War etc... but it did ensure the defeat of Nazi Germany. But hey, we love simple black and white issues instead of annoying shades of grey...
@@Rendell001 The whole point of my example was that the extremes involved make it more interesting. Both the Empire and the Imperium are orders of magnitude worse than the USSR.
Awesome stuff. Looking forward to more if you decide to make this a longer series (maybe not just Thrawn and Palp but also imperial officers, SW Inquisitors and vice-versa with Imperium characters sharing their analysis of the Galactic Empire). You've found a bit of a content gem and it will be very interesting to see how it develops :)
Absolutely amazing. I can only imagine the time it took for just the script. I hope Afanwithtoomuchtime sees this video and gives you a shoutout or something. You earned a sub.
After this discussion with Thrawn, and comprehending the level of threat the galaxy is under, Lord Sidious has a change of heart. He realizes that his dreams of immortality are threatened, and that without support of the entire galaxy, he will lose everything he had worked for. Inspired by the legend of the God Emperor, the Sith Lord decides to try his own hand at uniting the galaxy, rather than trying to subjugate it. He simply does not have the forces necessary to both hold onto power through fear, and fight against whatever it is the Imperium of Man deals with on the daily. He will have to bite his lip and make peace with his enemies, or lose everything. On the upside, the trials ahead will ensure he will not have to endure this humiliation for long. The great evil the Empire will have to face will be more than enough to finally end support for the Rebellion, and have them brought back into the fold. Rather than lowering himself to the level of the disgustingly altruistic peons he holds himself superior to, he will have an opportunity to raise them up to be more like himself, to have them embrace the dark side; because if they don't, they will die...and it won't even have to be at his, his apprentice's, or his military's hand. Their moral assertions will simply not allow them to survive what is coming. Perhaps that alone will make the experience of returning to the benevolent politician he was once pretended to be, tolerable. *Que evil Emperor laugh.
"They are this strong and yet they are a prey society. What the fuck are they fighting?" - Admiral Thrawne
GODS
and Hell itself
"i will not sacrifice the Enterprise, we've already made to many compromises, too many retreats. they assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back, they destroy entire cultures and we fall back. the line must be drawn HERE! THIS FAR NO FARTHER! AND I...WILL MAKE THEM PAY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!!!"
In short, reality itself.
If you wanted to understand the fall of the Wh40k universe, it is best to understand that the vert fabric of reality itself has turned hostile against the common man.
Acts of brutality aren't condemning because they are a necessity. You can't blame entitrely what the Inquistion, Ecclesiarchy or even the average man does, when your living in a world that is out to kill you from the moment your born.
Mercy? Prepare to get defiled as atonement.
Reasoning? Better hope the other side simply headshots you soon.
Kindness is the only thing still applicable and universal, but it is a strange commodity that doesn'f translate well even between individuals.
That doesn't there isn't a chance. Hope is dead, but the spirit still lives. Its what the Imperium stands for deep down.
I loved that Thrawn basically ended this with "I have no fucking clue what to do if we have to fight these monstrosities. I just know how bad this is."
Indeed. The only thing worse than IoM's invasion would be the rest of 40k's reality spilling over into the galaxy far far away.
*Thrawn reading about the IoM:* "Holy shit."
*Thrawn reading about the Warp.* "Oh fuck."
*thrawn reading about the nids* "Oh god oh fuck oh god oh fuck oh god oh fuck"
Thrawn learning about the dark eldar: "no, just no, fuck this” unalive himself.
Thrawn learning about the Orks:".........what the fuck?"
*Thrawn reading about the Tau* How? How are they alive?!
@@simonmariolle351 I feel like this is a reasonable reaction
The imperium of Man is fighting four different end-game crises, an upstart new species, and the bipolar remnants of the people who started that mess all at the same time.
And somehow scraping by, which says a lot about Imperial tenacity.
They don't fight upstart new species, they fight tech-rusher, at least there are no blokkats around...
Don’t forget the fallout both from the mess, and the fallout of their reaction to the mess in the first place.
along with the Eldrich Abominations of Hell, their corrupted minions and the Dark Gods that rule them...
At worst the eldar are responsible for slaanesh (and even then the craftworld eldar were the ones who specifically avoided the hedonism that caused the fall), the other three afaik were born out of the war between the Old Ones and the Ctan
"Understand a species' art and you understand that species. But don't try to apply this to Dark Eldar or Slaanesh cultists. You DON'T want to understand their 'art.'"
To a lesser extent, that's Chaos in general. Too much understanding of their art can be dangerous to the prideful and weak.
That is what worries me. If the Drukarhi arrive then it's a Universe I don't want to live in.
Thrawn: "To defeat your enemy, you must know your enemy. Not just their military tactics, but their history, philosophy, art."
(sees painting by Dark Eldar)
Thrawn: "Well I certainly know them now and I wish I didn't."
Thrawn would be fine with their "art". "But it was so artistically done..." Literally his last words, about his own murder.
@@KopperNeoman I don't think Thrawn would exactly fall under either.
When Grand Admiral Thrawn says, “I do not know what to do now”
You are boned.
*I think the Inquisition would love to have Thrawn work for them, even if he is a filthy Xeno*
Hes not xeno. Hes abhuman. Much more tolerable.
@@Drakenfoul the chaos gods probably just surrender out of fear or make it their number 1 priority to corrupt him or kill him
@@nfrandom007 Tzeich would be very keen.
Chiss loose force sensitivity as adults, so they would be immune if they could reach adulthood.
@Drakenfoul The Inquisition would probably give them a pass once they realize they're just an abhuman strain that evolved blue skin and the same eye colour as Salamanders. A bunch of them would get dissected before the Inquisition came to this conclusion, but it's better than being subjected to a full-on Xenocide.
Honestly, the blazing red eyes probably WOULD help the Chiss. They just need to really play up their resemblance to one of the Imperium's favourite chapters.
Thrawn once again demonstrates his superior tactical and strategic mind by being one of the few figures from the Star Wars universe who has thought to stop, take a step back, and ask why the Imperium is the way it is. What could drive a society to become so massively militarised and extremely xenophobic? He then came to the logical conclusion - there must be forces back in the Imperium's home galaxy that have shaped the Imperium as a society, most likely incredibly dangerous foes that have necessitated the creation of such a monstrous war machine as the Imperial military. Thrawn does not yet know the true nature of those threats, but he has correctly deduced their existence. He is the canary in the coal mine. The question now is whether anyone will pay heed to his warnings before it is too late.
*watches second Death Star blow up* Well, I guess not.
Unfortunately thanks to Dr. Sheena, everybody believes these Imperial forces to be nothing more than disgruntled descendants of the Pius Dea.
The vast majority of the Republic will write them off as just a cult of xenophobic nutters, and not realize they are an extra-Galactic civilization fighting even worse monsters.
Fortunately most of those trillions of troops are busy being fed to the Nids, orcs, demons etc or suppression of rebellion and heresy. So ironically the Future Galactic Empire is in the perfect position to learn from this invasion and have a TRULY real reason to form an effective military. I foresee Darktrooper/Astartes analogues. Phase III from Darktroopers game is already an Astartes AT LEAST level unit.
Can we really call it an imperium of man invasion? The "invading" force is so small.
Well He Wasn't The Only One That Caught On To How The Imperium Is Made Though
Thrawn explaining the 40k universe is surprisingly interesting. There is no bias or propaganda in any of it. He's like a Vulcan, speaking only the factual truth.
It makes sense, for he's reporting to Palpetine, about a faction the republic is actively at war with and has not much information about
I think you mean Rogal Dorn
Vulvmcan speaks no truth, too hurtful, he speaks love.
@@combineeliteunit8769Dorn also speaks no truth.
You meam conrad curze.
A Vulkan? He doesn't hand out spine shattering hugs though
Note that while he'd managed to scrape together minimal information on the Custodes, Thrawn has no idea that the Grey Knights are a thing. That's a nice detail.
Grey knights? I met one once-why's the inquisition here?
No mention of Titans either
@@Baitin_Amphibian hehehehehehehehheeheh
ah yes "titans"
get shit on Tau XD
@@Baitin_Amphibian In this war story, assume what has come to the SW universe is nothing but a scouting party, which is hinted at when talking about how big the army actually is, and they only have seen little. They talk about space marines, impressed and unimpressed which means there is probably a handful of chapters traveling with the Imperium, and it's most likely not the Black Templars.
Any mechs the imperium has is better off set going to more front line worlds than worrying about a lesser Tau universe at the moment, I speculate that we will start seeing these war machines when the Imperiums more "Natural Predators" are more frequent. Them Assuming that the SW universe as a whole is corrupted.
We will see how the force reacts to the warp invading.
@@greatjagras6381 3, I think, the Skywatch(Ultramarine descent), the Crimson Razors(Imperial Fist descent), the Tempered Hands(Imperial Fist descent I think), plus a few Space Wolves and Salamanders apparently.
Edit: Overall, 2500-3500 Space Marines in total.
Edit: Sorry the Tempered Hands are an Iron Hands successor.
I love how Thrawn refers to Psykers as "force users". Very nice touch
Noticed that too, this really is excellently made
I think it could make it into a nice crossover. The force is basically the effect of the warp on the real world. They believe, that it comes from life, but instead life, and the souls of the living are merely windows to the warp. In the SW galaxy the warp is somewhat different, and instead of the 40k. chaos gods there are only two. Light, and Dark side. And these two are constantly fighting, and sometimes decide to use their pawns in the living world as well for the fun of it.
It's how he knows them, and in truth, given the way either psykers and Force Users work, they effectively become two sides of the same coin, as the Warp and the Force are the primal forces of the universe itself in both respective settings, with a lot of overlap. Thrawn is not off in his assessment.
@@tereninsecundus6084 Yeah, that was the point of my comment
But how wrong he is.
I kind of adore how he gets a lot of pronounciations wrong. - Being a true outsider to the Imperium.
I imagine when the video's maker ran his script through the audio bot, he got this result and kept it for that reason. It does fit, but I bet it's just the default pronunciation for these things. Sort of like when people do the Dagoth Ur videos using the same software, people have to manually adjust the way they write the script to make the bot speak the words properly.
ex. OP probably wrote "custodes", but if he wrote something like "custodees" he'd probably get the correct pronunciation.
@@conatus1306 If he was listening to Imperials talking though, wouldn't he know how it's pronounced.
@@conatus1306 You're probably right, but i agree with the OPs conclusion, that these "mistakes" actually add to the feel of the video
@@KaiHung-wv3ulHe also has an accent, Lars Mikkelsen being Danish.
Lets be real even us get things wrong because most of the made up funny words have no pronounciation guise
I could listen to Thrawn listing off ways the Imperium is horrible for hours, but the small amount of fear in his last line was the best part.
Thrawn realizing the Imperium isn't the worst thing coming their way and going "FUCK" was my favorite part of writing this. If anyone could see the writing on the wall, Thrawn would.
*These Heretical Xeno-Lovers needs to be taught a lesson, in the form of copius amount of Exterminatus!!*
@@LordOfWisdom59 He's had skirmishes with the "Far Outsiders", so if anyone could imagine a long-approaching extragalactic threat - without Force-foresight, even - it would be him.
it's absolute master class.
Yep, one reason the Astartes are so few in number is battlefield casualties. He's seen what they're capable of. For them to be thinned out requires a threat so galaxy shattering that the Empire would not survive.
Thrawn's speculation that the Imperium is a prey society is actually very interesting. The Imperium is vigorous thanks to its sheer size, yes, but it's a shadow of its former self.
Almost everyone in this setting is a shadow of their former selves.
That would also make the Tau Empire a Predator Society by this standard.
Also, I wonder if the Imperium citizens or administratum Thrawn was interrogating confused him for a Tau? The Chiss and Tau appear very similar. Or would not all of the Imperium know about the Tau? His report didn't mention the Tau, so his sources possibly didn't have that knowledge.
@@ckl9390
Not just that, but a predator that has yet reached its prime, for the Tau Empire still has not experienced their own fall from grace.
And it's only due to their naivety, limited knowledge of their galaxy, and the overwhelming threat that besets them which slowed their progress.
@@ckl9390 No, the Tau are a prey society ironically being protected from most of their predators by one of their other predators. The Tau, during their first contact with the Imperium, assumed they were facing an opponent of roughly equal size - an empire of a couple dozen planets. When they found out that the Imperium was much larger (a couple billion planets), the etherials promptly classified all information to avoid a mass panic, since they knew how fucked they were.
It's quite literally the fact that there are other sharks in the ocean that keeps the Tau from getting devoured. They aren't the Q'orl, as much as GW likes to forget the *single biggest threat to the Imperium* exists. They're an upstart empire that only lives because their many threats are too busy killing each other off to kill them.
The Imperium is the exact opposite of 'vigorous'.
To be honest, Thrawn is probably the only one in the Star Wars Galaxy who would fully understand the threat on Chaos and The Tyranids and why both need to be annihilated.
He would also understand that (regarding Chaos and the Warp, at least), a military solution is impossible. He would understand that the Warp is a reflection of the material plane, and the sins of the living translate into the Warp. Thrawn would understand that the Imperium has doomed itself by choosing cruelty and barbarity.
@@DreamersOfRealityHe is smart enough to know that the horrors of the warp aren't merely a creation of the Imperium. The warp is borne out of the hearts of every single living being in the universe. His forces are as susceptible, if not more so thanks to their ignorance, as those Imperial forces. This message isn't so much a warning to immediately prepare a defensive action against the myriad of extragalactic forces, but to prepare themselves against a disease that'll begin to infect the soul of the galaxy itself.
It takes jedi masters, maybe generations of them, to figure out real solution of chaos problem. The way of the jedi maybe the exact thing wh40k universe needs
@@DreamersOfRealityhaha, LOL Nope.
IOM is indestructible while God Emperor of Mankind lives. His withered body still holds 4 Chaos "Gods" at bay, he keeps interstellar travel open and people has being in which they believe, never losing hope.
Anyone with brains can figure out that Chaos and Tyranids must be exterminated.
Thrawn suggesting the Dark Forest theory? Thats very clever even in a galaxy where fast FTL communication exist.
Dark forest theory? The deer in the woods?
Tbh I feel like if a Dark Forest scenario was ever even started it would be impossible to stop even with technological improvements
@@jakkuhl6223Pretty much the situation in 40k of most xenos being hostile to humanity and other xenos with many being that way as how thrawn describes the theory on the video to get rid of competition of other species for resources, ideology, territory, etc
@@xninewxw7559 Of course, you can have any number of friendly civilizations, but as soon as there's even one, singular civilization who is paranoid and xenophobic enough to try to nip the others in the bud, every civilization which survives must necessarily be paranoid - since any who weren't would be dead.
@@conatus1306This literally happened in the real world.
Before the Yamnaya(Proto-Indo-Europeans) the neolithic was sparsely populated and battle was rare. Many peaceful cultures existed. The Cucuteni culture had almost no weapons and were probably matriarchal egalitarian farmers. They were the Yamnaya's first victims, and the Yamnaya took the Cucuteni's potter wheels, and adapted them to their horses to make chariots
Now? We literally can never go back to the old ways. Population numbers are too high, and every culture now understands warriors as a pillar of their society.
This final group has been called many names by those our forces have interrogated.
The Golden Warriors
The Guardians of the Emperor
The Imperial Guardians
And finally their most common name
The Coostodes
AI voice has got me like
It's all good until Thrawn hears, "Ayy Yai Yai Yai..." And starts finding oil all over the bridge.
I cringe whenever I hear that but my head cannon work-around is that Thrawn doesn't speak low (or high) Gothic so his pronunciation may be a bit... off.
@@lukkaredwolf3534kitten, a sloppy mess when he sees BLUE
@@lukkaredwolf3534 Noooo, the Tune of Doom is upon us!
"Like two male Lothaian deer fighting over who the forest belongs to, we do not notice the wolves in the bushes all around us. And if we continue to waste our energy on this fight, we will stand no chance against the hungry predators on our doorstep." CHILLS
I like how thrawn actually behaves like an actual explorer and scientist when discovering something new.
He's a smart and curious man, how he became such a great admiral.
I cannot wait to hear his take on the Tyranids and Orcs😎
Strategy is Scientific combination of psychology and engineering
@@SS-zg6of turns out he’s a TAU🤣
@@SS-zg6of_technically_ more like M.T.N...
Admiral Thrawn explaining the imperium of man feels so much more darker than anyone else that could explain it.
And I think what makes it so dark is that it's clear he's afraid, not of the Imperium itself, but of what kind of unspeakable horrors the Imperium must be threatened by to not only make such a civilization necessary, but even possible in the first place. He knows that whatever the Imperium is fighting will soon follow and that the Galaxy is not even close to being ready to face it.
He seems to respect the threat the Imperium itself poses as well though, as he acknowledges that the Republic may not have assets capable of defeating even a single Custode.
“More darker”
@Ima Pseudonym victory lies in using hyperspace to go full scorched earth on imperial Agri worlds, tying the imperium down in mass famine while avoiding the big fights
@@chucklefuck I would argue a Jedi Master or a very strong Jedi Knight (i.e. Anakin Skywalker) might be able to fight ONE Custode.
Thrawn: I do not know what to do now....
That might be the single most terrifying line ever spoken, just by who said it.
I'd imagine that's what the magos biologis has had in mind when the great devourer has 1st appeared on Tyran. Some of his last thoughts/words most likely. Remember in this crossover thrawn has only met the imperium because they have been running away from something. I can imagine only 2 powers capable of standing up and overpowering the imperium. The devourer, or the ancient empire.
@@HalIOfFamer I thought the Imperial fleet in the series was fleeing from the fall of Cadia.
Interestingly the emperor of mankind says it during the horus heresy l.
@@HalIOfFamer @Spess Sigiswulf They were running from nids and drukhari. Fan talk about it in one of his after talks.
@@kacperkonieczny7333 weird it's the dark eldar, they are one of the weakest factions in cannon 40k alongside the Tau
Thrawn answers his own question as to why there are so few Space Marines when he suggests that it has to do with a rebellion. Damn you Horus.
Thrawn's realization that there are things worse than the Imperium in it's home galaxy is sobering.
I love how Thrawn's closing thoughts amount to a take on the long-running "Starwars vs 40K" debate that often crops up in geekdom, concluding, essentially: "Mutually assured destruction. If the Imperium and Empire were foolish enough to engage one another in full-scale war, it would leave both critically weakened against Orks, Chaos, Genestealers etc etc."
The Imperium would utterly crush the Galactic Empire simply by virtue of scale. The number of ships, tanks, and bodies that the Imperium can throw at any given problem is beyond comprehension by Star Wars standards. You could reasonably make the argument that the Imperium can’t actually bring its full night against the Empire because their forces are way too tied up on other fronts, and that’s legitimate… but then it’s not truly a pure analysis of the Imperium versus the Empire anymore.
@@Tinandel I mean if we simply use the scale we have shown, even the most heavily fortified planets in Star Wars have like 3-4 space stations and a few planetside defences. a single Space Marine Battle Barge could probably invade and conquer an entire star wars system simply by destroying all defences and randsoming the capital cities. Unironically Space Marines would be an utter nightmare for the Star Wars universe for this very reason.
@@grimnir8872 I mean Star Wars have a few things imperium can’t really handle but if the imperium and the empire fought each other with no other enemies imperium is gonna trash on them
The problem is it wouldn't be MAD, at least not in the sense you would envision it especially if we assume that the Imperium is still fighting it's usual mess. The Imperium would send it's generally much more developed special forces sector to take out Palatine and his cronies inevitably and then leave what's left of the decapitated snake that is the Star Wars Galaxy to be slowly eaten away by the Imperium as their special forces routinely have to be sent out to ensure that no one that can unify the Star Wars Galaxy like Palps can and while the Imperium colonial authority continues to slowly gobble up more territory and integrate it. Because the alternative to the Imperium abusing their space magic and various super soldiers and specialists to keep the will of the Star Wars Galaxy permanently divided is them trying to fight a conventional war against the entirety of the Star Wars Galaxy which they are guaranteed to lose even if they were fully free of their various home galaxy threats and with those threats still in play they are literally asking for Terra itself to be inevitably destroyed. Because the thing about the Imperium is that compared to even the fecklessness of the Republic, they're big, clumsy, slow, and stupid and consistently remain as such. In the course of 50 or so odd years, they Star Wars Galaxy went from having planet destroying firepower on the drawing board to building two death stars, one star killer base, hyperspace tracking, and the stupid but stupidly powerful Exegol fleet which is literally a fleet of ten thousand star destroyer sized combatant that manage to squeeze in Death Star levels firepower in a size not even the size of typical Imperium escort ships. Inevitably, given this and the fact that an intergalactic war like this would take centuries at the bare minimum to resolve, canonically, at the bare minimum of we start the war from this point in the Clone Wars, the Imperium would be mere decades away from having to contend with super weapons that would ruin their day and that aren't just one off or super special awesome and difficult to replicate to the point where they could just make another or more eventually and en masse. So, yeah, the Imperium inevitably loses a slugfest which is what most people envision when they discuss this topic and most people want to see, but has a hilariously easy instant win button by clandestine means if they actually approach this even with a moderate level of strategic acumen and desire to play to their strengths and their enemy's weaknesses.
Nope. Even with no other enemies, the Star Wars Galaxy would inevitably maul them by UP TECHING so hard if the war was fought in the way you and most people think of: conventionally. The Imperium either wins by decapitation strikes followed up by more decapitation strikes with their much better special forces sector or they get inevitably ground down to star dust.
Quite possibly the only timeline Thrawn would willingly betray he Palpatine in order to protect the galaxy
Palpatine would also ignore all warnings and try to capture some chaos servents and Deamons for experiments.
@@travzac619No at least in EU Palpatine was aware of Yuzanwong invasion incoming even before EP1. That's how he met Thrawn btw. And all of that taking power and militarising the Empire in addition to well gain power was also to prepare for outside threat. There is no evidence that he would ignore the warning.
@@travzac619
Palpatine want to mess the warp.. And in instant.. Age of Strife Electree Bogaloo happened in SW Galaxy, FTL became collapsed when SW Hyper dimension filled with Warp and Chaos shit and Daemonic entity that much of them.. Capable consumed planet and star system existed and Chaos Cult exploded every where
@@rahadityap2375 Darkside vs warp fukery would be fun to watch. And well only the dark side has cookies.
To be fair, I would absolutely listen to reports and lore done by Thrawn again and again. 😂
I'd like to see how he reacts to the Humanity present in Old Man's war Or Dune
@@travisbrewer1641😂1¹⁰
He's strangely soothing for a fascist sociopath.
I would love to see Thrawn’s analysis on the Orks, specifically their logic defying technology
He'd probably say it was an example of Force technology. Light Sabers being the most common example of Force technology. The hilt ejects a plasma stream, then somehow pulls it back in. The blade should generate enough heat to burn a Jedi's face off just by mere proximity, yet it doesn't.
It all makes about as much sense as Ork technology.
@@Raziel312 That is illogical, just because we don't understand it in reality doesn't make it magic in star wars universe. I guess blasters would burn them selves up and and ships would implode when attempting to hyperspace. In star wars we were shown that lightsabers are just technology that most likely came to be in arms race between protection and weapon.
Another example, are space marines using ork technology when shooting plasma gun ?
@@MarkoLomovic At least the plasma from the plasma gun doesn't pick and choose when it's going to be hot.
Plus, Light Sabers stop being "just technology" when you make a crystallized shard of The Force as the core of the hilt.
How to Beat Orks
By Grand Admiral Thrawn
You don’t.
_fin_
@@NERV_Mars Thrawn the type of mf who would try and bore the Orks to death...
... And he might even pull it off
The idea that Ezra and Thrawn light-speed jumped so far away from the galaxy that they ended up on the milky way is wild.
This is based off of a fanfiction on TH-cam made by Afanwithtoomuchtime where an Imperium sector fleet has entered the Star Wars Galaxy by accident.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 Which is faqin amazing
@@anthonyrodriguez8788Given that Imperial ships travel through the warp, who knows?
Damn, Thrawn got the scenario down to the T! Finnaly, someone points out the fact there is something on with the Imperium and that it ain't the only thing fighting loudly in the night back home.
This was fantastic, I would love to see Admiral Thrawn’s reaction to learning that all these “myths” are far more fact then you would likely originally assume.
You did. His section on the Imperium being a Prey civilization ends with briefly mentioning the other terrors in the 40k universe, from the perspective of someone on the outside briefly looking in.
@@Nemo12417 right?? he was getting there..
"tItAnS aRE jUsT PrOPaGNDa"
-t'au
Well, not really, most of these are indeed myths.
@Ima Pseudonym Its not really that complex. They have stood against the Yuuzhan Vong. A lot of warhammer fans tend to downplay the empire and massively overestimate the Imperium as if it would be a comically one sided conflict. It wouldn't be. And i have had this discussion several times with GW people at the main office, often passionate about both series. The Imperium even in 40k barely functions. Sure it's one of the most powerful fictional empires, but the galactic empire is nothing to scoff at either.
"But back in it's home, back in it's natural environment, it is but prey fighting off predators of unimaginable cruelty."
Chills.
I’m still hoping Legemds General Grevious gets to fight a Swarmlord. Endless Droid Legion commander vs Endless Swarm Commander. Both have four swords. It’s PERFECT
@@IronWarhorsesFun Grievous is fucked in this case, no alternative outcome.
@@senatuspopulusqueromanus2082Unless its Legends Grevious, in AFWTMT's series LG was put into hibernation, replaced, and set to be killed after the clone wars ended because of how insanely strong LG was and how he tipped the scales in the CIS's favor too hard.
Dude in the fic singlehandedly killed a full squad of Astartes veterans, a Librarian, and probably a captain (tho we haven't gotten there yet.) If a named space marine can gank the swarmlord, I feel like cyborg doomslayer could.
@@LoW22341He killed a multiple squads. Even if Davik kills him the Razors would probably have lost 50% of the chapter. However I think Grievous will fight Davik to a standstill and he’ll run to Orion for saving.
@@gavinschwartz308 Multiple squads is like 20-30 marines? A lot to be sure, but I won't call that half of the Crimson Razors, can you please elaborate.
Martyrdom and Hatred are one of the core tenets of the Imperium as they will do everything and anything to fight and survive in the Grim Darkness of the far future, and that means that the art in the Imperium should inspired its citizens into zealous devotion.
Oh please, art is illegal in The Imperium of Man
@@HomelessOldMan9000 It is legal if it serve the Imperial Creed. Or are you telling those mosaic windows on their chapels ain't art?
Okay but lets also be a bit serious that the Imperium can thrive and beat their threats if they arent this zealot. The Interex and other big civilizations during the Great Crusade are an example
@@HomelessOldMan9000 There is legally sanctioned art in the Imperium (much like how most ancient Egyptian art was government sanctioned), and on top of that due to the feudal nature of the Imperium and its outright inefficiency I am sure plenty of worlds (that aren't rotting hive cities) have their own native planetary art forms anyways.
@@donkface8509 Also the Dark Age of Technology humanity, who'd wipe the floor with just about everyone else short of the Necrons.
Really, the Imperium being a bunch of superstitious hyper-reactionary religious fanatics is not to their advantage. They are hanging on _despite_ that, not because of it.
Excellent. This fits perfectly with the series, just before palpatine revealed his home fleet for deployment.
Dear Emperor Palpatine , a group Midnight Clad warriors flayed the skin off all my Storm Troopers please send help.
There is a channel that has a animated Storm Trooper recruiting and Chaos Space Marines keep coming in. Just type in Stormtrooper-World Eater to find it.
My God this is amazing. Of course Thrawn would be the first to realise the dark forest the imperium of man came from is spreading to their own galaxy and it may already be too late for all of them.
Why ?
@@luxj.9451 The force and the warp are two different things. The reason why the 40k galaxy sucks is because it's tainted by chaos. The Star Wars galaxy is not. Would the imperium's presence bring about the attention of chaos? Yes, to an extent. Chaos cults and and daemon incursions are NOT going to be occuring any time soon.
The imperium can't waste the amount of ships it would take to conquer star war legends, but canon is indeed a stomp. Afan mixes these two and has admitted that he's nerfing star wars for the sake of the story.
Palpatine in legends shouldn't be underestimated. He possesses the power to wipe out the entire imperium fleet in one go. Rather he does or not.is completely up to Afan.
If they manage to produce a “force” user powerful enough to attract the attention of the chaos gods or tyranids they are well fucked.
@@thelandlord111yeah right... W40k can go phuck itself...
@@luxj.9451 So the Yuzzang Vong war?
6:10 I love how Thrawn describes Psykers as Force Users because he has almost no idea what the Warp is, great attention to detail!
I don’t know about the lore of this fan fiction but I feel that if they exist in the same reality the force and the warp are probably the same. The reason it’s benevolent in the Star Wars galaxy is that it doesn’t have a fraction of the evil that’s in the Milky Way
I actually shivered when he mentioned the Emperor. I have never seen the Emperor in that way.
The Predator/Prey/Parasite is interesting, because the Imperium absolutely is prey. It also goes to show that just like wolves ganging up on a bison, the predator is not necessarily stronger than prey, just in a better position to be aggressive.
The Tau are a predators. The Eldar, Necrons, and other minor species are parasites. Dark Eldar are a bit more tricky, they have traits of all three, but I think they're a parasite. They don't curry favor, but they don't expand and mostly subsist on piracy. The only one difficult to place is the Orks but I lean to a wolf.
Of course, if the Orks and Tau are wolves... then the Tyranids and Chaos are damn grizzly bears.
The nécron would definitily be predator in that clacification. They are an extremly agressive xeno race which ultimate goal is to reconquer a galaxy that they once owned and beleive is rightfully their's.
@@chagui5253 but right now they are too busy taking a nap
The Eldar have been predator, prey, and parasite. At the moment Necrons are not really predatory with the ones awake mostly doing things like collecting artifacts and trying to wake up more tomb worlds.
Also they aren't really targeted for expansion by others, so they aren't prey. Hence I decided on parasite.
Calling NECRON a minor fraction?
@@piotrd.4850 I don't care about anything that happened after the fall of Cadia.
They're all still asleep as far as I am concerned.
I still think the Tau are the most dangerous known enemy of the Imperium. They are actively progressing science and might at any point go through a technology explosion and develop weaponry that no other faction can deal with even though they have outrageous numerical advantage. All other factions are stagnant and not really likely to develop something that could straight up delete the Imperium.
The most dangerous enemy would be a minor unknown faction whose first contact would be dark forest striking Terra.
I like the detail that Horus and his heresy isn’t mentioned throughout this. It is alluded to with the timeline of the emperor and the questions around the Astartes, but never directly mentioned
Awesome stuff! Thank you for making this, I'll share it around with my audience!
are you thinking of including thrawn in the series?
@@Overlord3445 I'm pretty sure he is
@@Overlord3445
Oh yeah!
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375 thak you for this news 😁
@@afanwithtoomuchtime4375 you didn’t answer with a Maybe…WHO ARE YOU!!!! WHERES THE REAL FAN WITH TOO MUCH TIME??? ALPHA LEGION SPY!!!!
Man, this Thrawn AI voice works really well. Reminds me of the audiobook so much! Thanks for your addition to the SW vs 40k expanded universe!
It is a shame that Thrawn, in both the Canon and the Legends timelines, is still within Chiss Ascendancy and as such is unlikely to enter the Fans story for some time yet.
Great work nonetheless.
The events of Outward Bound will have already happened, so he and Palpatine have already been in contact...
@@RipOffProductionsLLC Outbound Flight*
Still I wouldn’t be surprised that Thrawn appears later on in some role.
Thrawn met Anakin Skywalker during the Clone Wars
theres been word about thrawn showing up soon, like as soon as the ashoka seris
Considering the insanity that is going on it’s a perfect excuse to have Thrawn step in much sooner.
I'm genuinely not sure if Thawn would've been an enlisted officer or had even graduated from naval academy (let alone reached the rank of Admiral) by this point in the Star Wars timeline. Still, you absolutely nailed him here.
Wasn't he an admiral(or something equivalent to that) in the Chiss Acendency?
@@RipOffProductionsLLC Either admiral or their commodore equivalent.
there's a book about a Jedi who took some younglings to exit the galaxy and Palp's had Thrown shoot them down. Thats how they met and Thrown was immediately considered by Palpatine to be very capable and so built a slow relationship/alliance to gain is service in exchange for protection to his people agains "the outsiders" which were the galactic invaders who came after palpating died. the vong
I forgot to say that this was around this time when that happened lol
Tbf palps would probably give him the rank almost immediately in this canon after the first "battle" (more of a stomp than anything) of the series. Palps would know he'd need as many skilled tacticians as possible, hence why he put Omega in the command bridge before she was anywhere close to being mature enough to do so.
Plot twist, the Death Star and the thousands of Star Destroyers wasn't for controlling the galaxy it was for fighting off the eventual tyranid invasion. Death star probably the only gun big enough to destroy a massive leviathan in one shot reliably.
Not really though. Death Stars Main Cannon is something an Imperial Lance-battery can do.
@@truckwarrior5944Why do you feel this incessant, vacuous need to projectile vomit everywhere?
And the rebels destroyed all of that
@@firebottle8402 They really didn't. The Empire, in both canon's, more or less killed itself.
@@truckwarrior5944no?
This needs to be a series, with Thrawn giving periodic reports on the continueing encounters with verious factions
Personally, I look foreward most to his UTTER BAFFLEMENT upon encountering Orks.
That would be hilarious!
I want to hear him saying "How does one battle a enemy that defies all logic?"
Considering that Thrawn's most iconic ability is him studying the works of art from other cultures in order to gain insight into developing tactics that can be used against them.... Wait until he sees the 'art' produced by say.... The Drukhari and their Haemonculus, or the dance performances of the Harlequins.
@@chankljpa human being stretched into a spider-web mass of blood vessels, skin latching to the walls, and eyes, still intact so they can see what they’ve become.
If he can convince the Orks he is the greatest tactician in the universe, he could save the galaxy from the imperium.
He is blue therefore he is a TAU therefore the Orks will consider him worthless@@KlaxontheImpailr
I like this, and while I can totally see Thrawn look at the Imperium and concluding that they are a society molded by extreme external threats, and thus be worried by the potential that those greater threats might fallow... I don't like it being done through the lense of the hints of them we've seen at Axum, if he's getting information from captured Imperials and material, then he'd at least have good intel on at least the Nids that BattleFleet Xek-Tek was fleeing from, as well as any other Xenos captured personel might be veterans of conflict with.
Then again, I'd also expect that the fact the Imperium's arrival was an unintended accident to also have come up at some point, so perhaps not...
Honestly the imps probably wouldn't give away much. After all, the guardsman who got captured and the mechanicus adept was the exception, not the rule. Thrawn also doesn't have force abilities so he can't tell what they are thinking.
@@LordOfWisdom59 while true it depends on if the force and the warp are the same thing ones just way calmer than the other and I can only imagine if the empire met the imperium of man’s enemy’s the emperor of man kind may not even need to sit on the throne after they crack hyperspace assuming it’s usable in the 40k area that would then make the emperor able to then maybe seal off the warp this after all imperium vessels or a majority at least have the tech which means the emperor not the Star Wars one the 40k one would get off his throne assuming the warp is what powers the bomb if it is no more threat to terra and well chaos is fucked and then massive reforms would happen then even worse the corps of the kreig would in all likelihood become even more fanatical than they already are as the emperor would forgive them and this even getting into how Star Wars would react to it if they saw the emperor of man literally show up instead of them thinking it was some god worship or some cult that wasn’t actually true that would utterly throw the Jedi Sith hell everyone off balance
@@Followerofchrist221 it's highly implied in AFans series that the force is basically the warp, and the dark side exists as a gestation of daemonic entities within the force. Reason why most force abilities are weaker and much less destructive compared to warp magic is because of the nature of the force within star wars, especially at the time of the clone wars.
Jedi are generally weaker combatants because the light side is far less combat focused, because that really isn't the point.
@@LordOfWisdom59It could also be what they use to access the warp that causes the difference between the two. Psykers in 40k use their powers with their mind, giving them more power, but a direct line to demons and more specialized powerset. Jedi and the like access it through mediclorians spread all throughout their body, instead of only with their mind. This gives more diverse power in a single person and filters the worst of the warp, while providing much less power.
@@Followerofchrist221 think back before the War in Heaven. The warp was very calm back then. What the Star Wars Galaxy has is a pre-catastrophe version of the Warp that wasn't yet tainted by a colossal calamity. Not to the same extent, at least. That's my best attempt at fusing the universes together
For the first time in a long time, I’ve felt dread and fear associated with Warhammer. And this time over a faction that I even play on the tabletop. Sometimes all it takes is a change of perspective for the reality of that setting to really sink in. Fantastic work, I’d love more in this series.
this is from the AFanWithTooMutchTime audio series where an imperial fleet finds itself in the star wars galaxy
@@Overlord3445 Thank you, gotta look into that ASAP
@@weekendjail1417 Well, here's the first episode th-cam.com/video/y5pm-cddO3c/w-d-xo.html
@@Overlord3445 Sick, thanks for the recommendation
Palpatine's Empire could market themselves as the humane alternative to the Imperium
Since this is set during the Clone Wars era before the rise of the Empire.... I wonder how the CIS is reacting to all of this.
@@chankljp They reacted all over the place... cause most of their worlds got Exterminatus'd.
@@McSkummone of them got a "manual" exterminatus by space marines
This is exceptionally well-written, fitting Thrawn's signature thought process and analytical mind to a tee. Hearing it in his voice (or a damn close approximation) was just the icing on the cake. Well done!
I think the only problem with this is the lack of mention of Guilliman who would be known to the people of the Imperium at this point and is incredibly important.
he didn't talked about the other primarchs either.
@@lukebell2865 the other primarchs are unnecessary to mention but they all got a reference in the angels who saved the Emperor from the demons. However the return of Guilliman and his active involvement are incredibly important both to the actual functioning of the Imperium and to a massive degree religiously. It’d also probably be information known better than the Custodes.
@@tiggerbane4325 true
Fair criticism, but in all likelihood the records recovered probably didn't mention Bobby G much. Remember, the Imperial force in Xek Tek ended up in the SW galaxy shortly after the great rift opened (short in 40k terms.) Which probably means G man wasn't up and around for that long.
It's also my opinion that they went into the warp during the outfitting of primaris to the chapters (hence why only the Tempered Hands appear to have primaris marines.) which probably also explains why a few custodes got caught up in the warp jump.
@@LordOfWisdom59 Guilliman was involved with the recalling of the fleet (pretty sure he was the one to order it) from the planet and everything so the highest ranking members of the fleet would have known about his existence at this point.
Guillimans return was widely publicised to the Imperium specifically because of the fact that he is such a symbol to the Imperial cult which was needed after the fall of Cadia and the widening of the eye, so is one of the few figures who groups like the sisters of battle and even the lower ranking peasants will know by name that is important within the inner workings of the Imperium.
I like how he described the Horus Heresy. That version of the Heresy is what the imperial higher-ups tell the others because the Emperor does not make mistakes, according to the Echlisiarchy, at least.
Admiral Thrawn has so much respect for the Imperial Guard that he calls it the Imperial Guard, not "tHe AsTRa MILitArUm!"
God-Emperor, bless this man!
A man of Thrawn brilliance would make for an unstoppable ig regiment
If i was in the military, id want thrawn at the helm calling the shots. Im likely to win in any engagement
He would make a great admiral of the Imperium battlefleet
@@CBRN-115 he is a blue xenos alien however, so the Imperium would not want him
@@colliehaughton7595The T’au would welcome him.
Only thing thrawn got wrong (arguably) is that the Admech dont innovate... they do believe all technology has been created and cannot invent... but they DO sometimes find xenos tech thats close enough to human theyll go "WE FOUND SOMETHING NEW!"
Basically they dont innovate new tech but instead re-engineer old tech. They venetrate the human mind and her technology.
They're right, the Golden Age of technology created a human lead galaxy so powerful the Orcs signed a peace treaty. And then, then the Men of Iron rebelled.
I thought it was more like the Ancient Greeks, in that all technology has an “ideal” form which cannot be improved upon, but that new technologies can be made or found
@@absolutelyyousless7605 It's not new tech, it's old tech in STC files like the Lehman Russ Tank. There were Men of Iron in the 1st Legion, obviously tortured by the Emperor and stripped of free will. Excidio I believe. It took 7 excindio to hold off Conrad Kurze. That's how powerful the Men of Iron were. 7. Against a Primarch with foresight.
of which he does explain that along with the imperium to some extent but even he was on a tight schedule and musings so he has to make it quick and clear for palpatine to understand.
Imagine him encountering golden age humanity, watching one ship obliterate 6 star destroyers by firing mini black holes or suns at them, he wouldn't be able to minimize the "we are so screwed" energy
"Uh-oh"
-Thrawn, probably
A Ship of Gold would be as dangerous to the Star Wars Galaxy™ as an extremely bored child playing with the Celestial Orrey. That is to say: *EXTREMELY* dangerous.
This was incredibly well done especially the ending just gave me chills
Pretty good Thrawn impression. Would love more logs from him in the imperium. Possibly addressed to other people.
i think the voice was IA's
It's elevenlabs, not an impression.
I hope this becomes a series.
Utterly Amazing and insightful on the Imperium from a Star Wars viewpoint. I hope there will be more Thrawn videos on other 40k factions.I especially love the Preadator, Prey, and Parasites criteria model Thrawn uses. Is that model actually real in sociology?
No, I came up with it lmao, but it's inspired by the "theory of cosmic sociology" created by Liu Cixin for the dark forest books. It doesn't map onto 40k one to one, but it comes close and it was a good source of inspiration.
@@LordOfWisdom59 that was a cool concept you came up with on the Prey, Hunter, and Parasite for space civilization.
@@hotfuzzy153 ay, thanks! Honestly really proud of it, you can basically map it onto any scifi civilization or society and I didn't realize how versatile it is until recently.
@@LordOfWisdom59 Liu Cixin is one of the greats of the modern era. Glad to see him getting some recognition around here.
@@LordOfWisdom59 damn its pretty good.
Listening to this I finally understood what kind of advancement AI generation, both visual and audio, is. How much it will impact our lives. As one sith lord once said: "This is only the beginning."
It took me a while to even tell, I can usually see (or hear) right through. Impressive, most Impressive.
Jeez I never knew hearing Thrawn explain the horrors of the Imperium would be so chilling, well done.
I can just imagine Palpatine looking over this report and just being like "These guys are evil... oh wait"
It'd be cool to see Trazyn the Infinite give a personal tour of his collection to Thrawn, he's done it before, since one of the reason he built to was to preserve history and knowledge. The amount of information Thrawn would get would be wide and varied, plus I'd like to see his reaction to how Trazyn stole each one.
Maybe it's out of kindness, arrogance, or just to fuck around. Who knows maybe he's planning to make Thrawn an future exhibit in his grand museum. Trazyn would definitely have some reasons.
I could totally see Thrawn hear about Trazyn. then do everything in his power to FIND this museum. goes to war to get there. and Trazyn lets him in. and the rest of the story is Thrawn enjoying the tour whilst also making escape plans because he knows Trazyn will be unlikely to let him go. after all. he made himself historically relevant. he has had a great impact on galactic affairs. surely a specimen such as him ought to be PRESERVED.
that cat and mouse I would like to see play out. Thrawn risking it all to ender the lion's den. bask in the dragon's hoard. and escape from the monster's clutches.
Trazyn showing Thrawn his art collection?
When admiral Thrawn says “idfk what to do” you are beyond fucked
I'm re-watching this since last year and in the intervening time I've started listening to A Fan With Too Much Time's Warhammer 40K vs. Starwars Crossover series. I realised that Thrawn is talking about the occupation of Axum and began to wonder if this was made in response to or with the knowledge of the aforementioned story series. The image chosen at 10:13 confirms this.
I now want to see a part 2 where the information comes from imperial spies, a good touch would be that they could only send human like spies because of the Imperium's xenophobia.
The notion that the imperium overtook and consolidated the Milky Way to finally break the web ways and spill into the star wars universe..
That would be a total bloodbath.
Yeah, for the Imperium. Get ready for a small loan of a bajillion Death stars, Star Killer bases, and Exegol fleets to inevitably roll back whatever gains the Imperium does make in a cosmic slaughter that probably would birth another Chaos God.
I mean yea, if you artificially boosted the imperium's power level dozens of times over then yea they'd be a scary threat
@@calebbarnhouse496 Imperium on the Death Star: "cute"
@@calebbarnhouse496 Not just the Imperium. Everything that's also ASSOCIATED with the Imperium.
Tyranids. Orks. Nekrons. Eldar. **Chaos itself**.
It's a bloodbath, not because the Imperium are doing the killing. It's because they're also inadvertently bringing their terrors into the Galaxy they wandered in.
To put it simply, it's like having a foreign predator wander into a stable biosphere, before the environments gets utterly wrecked by the predators OF that predator.
The Galaxy isn't a participant in the conflict.
*They're the playground the conflict will be happening in.*
This is cool. I hope we can see more of this.
Thrawn listing off trillions of soldiers under the banner of the imperium would be a lot more impressive if the droid army wasn't measured in quintillions
Sadly, that's EU, not cannon. But even still, the Droid army can literally be mass produced and replaced in a way that human soldiers cannot and could very easily balloon into the quadrillions with the right industrial setup.
@@VunderGuy the thing is that legends is still a (technically) living universe, though very very rare, pretty much just the clone wars, there has been additions to it since disney bought the franchise, and it is in every way better about the devoploment of the Universe in the in universe logic, and out of universe choices made
@@VunderGuy B1s also just suck, they're far better-suited for low-level internal policing than the battlefield. The volume of troops the Imperium can mobilize is also rarely the issue due to the sheer size of their population - equipping and transporting them is.
@@crowe6961 the average individual guardsmen can kill about 50 B1s, that's about 2 hours work of a geonosian factory, traded for 18 years of that guardsmen life
B1s are far from useless, their numbers make up for their flaws
@@phil3751 The Imperium loves their artillery and heavy anti-infantry weapons, and is used to fighting hordes.
I beg you to continue with this. I am hooked and want to hear more of thrown reporting on his research into the imperium. I would pay for a whole books worth of audio reports.
Thrawne : I don't know what to do
Everyone familiar with Thrawne : Well....shit.
I'm fairly certain Thrawn could make some sort of plan.
And the Rebels thought the empire was "bad".
Earth is worse than the empire in many respect for the last 4000 yeard their wasnt one year where one corner of our planet hasnt seen some kind of arment conflict
The 40k universe makes the Death Star look like a child's toy. The 40k universe has PTSD and it's inhabitants are the trauma. They're lucky they haven't met the Necrons yet.
Or found out what the necrons did to the C'tan. XD
Not really, even my 40k standards, the death star is a technological marvel
Given, Star Wars has some pretty wacky weapons if you dive into Legends. Galaxy Gun, for example... Or the disgusting, atrocious Sun Crusher(Whoever wrote needed to be fired) and such. Nothing like a Celestial Orrery, but better than most of the stuff current day imperium has at its disposal.
Dude, not even. Disney cannon alone has technological Marvel's by 40k standards and that the Imperium specifically would find very difficult to overcome.
@@VunderGuy I doubt it. Star Wars's super weapons are just standard issue kit for the Imperium. Look up their weapons. They'd knock the snot out of the Galactic Empire and still have enough energy to genocide a xenos race or two.
"letter from Company Leuitenet Pyrus Branar of the Ultramarines, sent to grand admiral thrawn"
Dear Thrawn,
For an Abhuman, you and your chiss ascendency show incredible insight and wisdom for reaching such a conclusion, however there are some misunderstandings that I would like to correct, in the spirit of academia
In line with darwinistic competition, the sheer amount of hypercompetitiveness found in the Milky Way galaxy has made our Imperium a powerhouse, both culturally and militarily like a rock unmoveable to the raging ocean. You've no doubt seen the bloodshed on the latest battle between our empires. The battle of Axum. And can attest to our inherent superiority over your galaxy. You are right to see this
However we are not as you call, a "prey society" In our home galaxy, we are surrounded on all sides by multiple hostile factions, both xenos, heretic, and worse. Each of these factions would take an extensive book to fully explain, but know that were it not for the others, our imperium would have destroyed them centries ago. We are not as a deer or rabbit to be feasted upon wolves, we are like a great leviethan bloodied by a swarm of sharks. A vast majority of the factions, are far greater than your Republic or Seperatist alliance, and know that we have held them back for 10,000 years, and know that with the return of Guilliman the emperors favored primarch, we will hold them back another 10,000 years
We will see you and your chiss ascendency soon Thrawn. I hope you will have the wisdom to submit
Ave Imperator!
too friendly.
@@JoshuaKevinPerry It's Ultrasmurf. Of course, they're going to be professsional.
@@JoshuaKevinPerry Blue guys like Blue Humans.
They want Chiss Smurfs.
Blue inside blue armor.
@@JoshuaKevinPerry figured passive aggressiveness is the more Ultramarine way to be.
sadly, even guilliman would understand this better than anyone else, it was he who made the order to decrease the number of space marines to prevent another heresy along with the fact that the imperium supresses any information regarding the real truth of the heresy for the sake of keeping astartes and primarchs to the same light as the emperor, kinda like what the dark angels did when half of them went into civil war right after the heresy and still kept a secret to this day.
18:47 Loved the depiction of Chaos Clone troopers. Wish there was more art of them out there
Thrawn describing Psychers as force users was a very nice touch!
This is a good introduction to 40K to most people who are already familiar with Star Wars. I like that it keeps out complex plot points like the Heresy as to not overwhelm us with information
I can only imagine years later some New Republic official reading this and believing it, yet no one else does, only to eventually have the galaxy be swamped by the horrors of 40k
Well, in the context of the fanfic story that this was based on, the Imperium have so far taken over two Republic worlds, razed a good chunk of the the CIS territories, and have set up a colonization mission on Tatooine. In other words, it is not the type of incursion that can be ignored or will be forgotten anytime soon. For that matter, there might not even be a Galactic Empire in this universe, since the appearance of the Imperium have already thrown the entire TL on its head, with Padme surviving the birth of Luke and Leia, not to mention all the other changes to the universe.
I would love to see something like this for the Federation from Star Trek, it sounds like it would be fun to see it from that perspective and see what Thrawn would think about the Federation.
Yeah that does sound interesting
I need more Thrawn analyses (insert faction here) in general. What about his take on the Covenant from Halo? I'm up for Thrawn's takes on more 40k factions too.
I'd love to hear him describe the Kushan from Homeworld.
A perfect representation of how Thrawn would react. Perhaps a little light on discussions of art and architecture. I'm also a little surprised he didn't put Knights and Titans into the same mythic category as the Custodes, but all in all spot on.
Now if only Disney would put the same level of effort into it.
Well the Grey Knights are hidden from any possible records on purpose, very few even within the Imperium itself know of their existence and when someone out of these selected few happen to somehow learn about them they are quickly executed
As for the Titan, yeah that is kind of an oversight
@@omnisans1649 I meant Knight houses not the Grey Knights. I'd totally understand Thrawn not finding out about them. At the Same time, I'd also imagine him figuring out they exist by looking at random paintings or reading hymnals on some random shrine world.
But considering many worlds in the Imperium are feudal worlds, run by knight houses it's a stretch to say he wouldn't know about them.
Well, in the story that this video was based on, the Imperials did develop a Knight unit on the battlefield against the Republic. So Thrawn would know that it is real. And considering that the Imperial Knight until actually got taken down in battle, I am sure that Thrawn would have the best minds of the Republic military reverse engineering and studying that thing ASAP.
Titans, however, is indeed something that he would put into the same mythic category as the Custodes.
This was amazing! I absolutely geek out over Thrawn and my wife (who loves star wars but isn't familiar with 40k) really appreciated the comparison. Are you planning to do more Thrawn-explores-40k stuff? A more in-depth look at imperial organizations or foes?
Maybe, there's a lot of SW v 40k stuff I wanna do, hell some more 40k stuff in general. I love the settings, both SW and 40k, and I'd like to explore them more even outside of thrawn
Tactician, warrior, scholar -- Thrawn's value cannot possibly be over-estimated.
"A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...
There is only war."
As usual, Star Wars fans putting infinitely more genuine effort into the setting than its current owners.
I don't like Warhammer all that much, but hearing Thrawn dissect their culture and ideology is chilling.
As someone who likes Star Wars and doesn’t like Warhammer ether I feel that when we get our hands back on the franchise that we need to make sure that our own galaxy can fend off this totalitarian mess of a state
Your sci-fi universe has good guys with blue lasers and bad guys with red lasers. The entire setting revolves around skywalker junior. It’s a dream land for Che Guevara wannabes and Fidel Castro lovers. Max estrogen.
*Please leave my sci-fi universe alone.*
@@Berserker3624 the hell do you mean the idea of fans owning star wars is absolutely absurd
@@Gorypaladin346 I mean Lucas, it’s obviously not us actually owning anything but at least with him he actually knows what we want or at least a majority
What? As a former Star Wars fan, warhammer 40k lore is a thousand times more complex than Star Wars. Especially after Disney. Star Wars is dead. Maybe Lucas can resurrect it, but I think it’s done.
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING WORK!!!
Awesome stuff, however if you plan on doing something more with this, then I think Palpatine would be interested enough for Thrawn to elaborate further on some subjects. The religion and how it's enforced would be especially interesting to Palpatine as he could learn a bit from it. After all, he could try to build similar religion due to his position within Republic/Empire (especially Empire since he was not injured by enemy of the state during the Republic) being similar to that of the Emperor within Imperium.
AFWTMT should REALLY make this a canon thing because it has some epic foreshadowing.
That wouldn't really make any sense.
Thrawn is still a member of the Chiss Ascendency in both Legends and Canon by this point in the timeline, and the Republic hasn't had any real chance to study Imperium documents or interrogate Imperium POW's in any meaningful way.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 ...Good point on that one I guess but it is still pretty good content.
Very well done. Would like to see more of these as the story progresses and he learns more and more.
Just fantastic, on so many fronts. Also capturing how Thrawn is such an effective Grand Admiral.
Very cool! This is exactly how Thrawn would sum up the 40k Imperium!
Yes, with all of those informations, Thrawn would reach exactly this conclusion, great work!
Feels like a Egyptian General trying to explain the coming of the "Sea People" to a Pharaoh a few thousand years ago... 😮
“I do not know what to do now.”
If Palpatine had any sense, these words would cause a ceasefire of the Clone Wars, followed by the entire CIS forces, GAR and Jedi order mobilizing toward where the Imperium is encroaching into the galaxy.
To hell with the Yuuzhan Vong, *this* is why the Empire of the Hand was founded.
would the Vong survive in the 40k?
This is actually one of the best things I’ve heard all summer so far. Good work.
the best part of this isn't the worlds colliding or anything to do with the crossover. The best part of this is portraying Thrawn as a nuanced and thorough thinker, committed to understanding his enemies holistically in order to beat them. Too many portrayals of him miss this
And he just said that it would be wise to give up and focus on the real enemy
This is really interesting to me because I had an idea for a fan theory that one of Lost Primarchs was a sort of Thrawn-esque High Admiral that was unpersoned by the Emperor for his interest in alien cultures.
Any chance for similar videos of Thrawn's reports on other 40K factions? I'd like to hear your interpretation of what he'd think of the Necrons and the Tau.
the Jedi she looked throughout the vale of reality to see were these humans no these monsters came from. she had always respected humanity for there determination and abilities in Negotiation but what horrors could make humans like this.
She peaked beyond the vail saw a galaxy as it burned and screamed. she saw a million battlefields against a million foes, she saw great army’s of silver implacable machines made of living metal that take inter magazines to fell but one for it to simply rise again, she saw skinny things with sharp eyes and a cruel smiles that rode on barbed things that sped through the air as they laughed in cruelty at victims, she saw brutish green monsters with tools made of scrap that should not work but did anyway, laughing as they bombed city’s and slaughtered countless humans for fun, she saw hordes upon hordes of Chitnis things that swarmed and blotted out everything from the ground to the very stars and the great hunger that came with them.
She saw things of the beyond and unknowable abominations a 8 pointed star of corruption, she saw countless men and women thrown into the meet grinder to hold the line so great strategies could be used that saw soldiers die in the millions but saved billions more, she saw great battles of grinding metal of the massive battle tanks that could crush a saber tank like nothing as cannons boomed and painted the sky red, she saw the sky scraper sized Titans do battle with one another with inter contents as there battle ground, All this and a million other wars she saw raids, orbital drops , Sieges, hundreds of planet shattering weapons and countless last stands were men ,women died screaming prayers, begging for a Saviour that would never come that and worse she saw great mountains of metal and steal jutting out of the ground and into the sky like black tumours each housing trillions, she heard countless voices raised in song and prayer as they worked day and night to produce weapons to hold against a hundred different apocalypses, she saw it all no she understood she had respected humans but here in this universe in this galaxy humanity had been twisted, turned Feral and driven insane from the pain of a war that never ends in galaxy were everything was a enemy she saw how it was impossible to survive there with out become monsters out of sheer Necessity. Returning from her vision back to her reality she did for these humans what no one would she wept the the Oder is strong on it rules on emotion but this these humans were beyond saving all one can do is Morn for them and the countless lives ended and forgotten even now with the vision faded she can still hear there screams and so she wept.
The theories on "Predator, Pray and Parasite" Societies fascinates me the most.
Makes me wonder if there is a 4th state of living among existence? Something that is even more alien than imagined.
One could argue that the Tyrannid and similar sci fi "space locust horde" (Flood, Necromorphs etc) could occupy a fourth niche.
But then again, they sort of fill the Predator role as well.
@@KalashVodka175 My idea for a Fourth Niche would be... Morph.
Something that does not eat life like a predator.
Something that does not coexist with life like a prey.
Something that does not take anything small from life like a parasite.
A something that changes both itself and the life it eats. Never stop changing to continue surviving.
Like The Flood?
Please do more, this is very engaging
well, the video was inspired by the AFanWithTooMutchTime series, which sees an imperial fleet arrive at the end of the Clone Wars.
Man, you gotta do more of these videos. Have Thrawn go into even greater depths on the Imperium and talk about the other factions.
The Imperium showing up in the Star Wars galaxy would be a perfect opportunity to con the audience in to rooting for the Empire. lol
the video was inspired by the AFanWithTooMutchTime series, which sees an imperial fleet arrive at the end of the Clone Wars.
Considering the Imperium would very likely view all the Xenos in the SW galaxy as "scheduled for termination", I think a pragmatic view would be "lessser of two evils"...
@@Rendell001 It requires either extreme emotional exploitation or a pragmatic argument in order for the audience to empathize and root for an evil enemy that in all of the movie lore, they've never been socialized to empathize with. Which is my point. Its one of the few best pragmatic arguments that could do this. The Empire, emotionally, to western viewers, are Nazis. It takes the Imperium of Man as an enemy in a WWII style planetary invasion movie to get you to root for the Storm Troopers. It would be glorious. Even Darth Vader......under the right calibration could give his troops a heart warming speech about freedom and the future of mankind. Amazing.
@@Dadecorban It's a very interesting take on the material certainly but I think a certain real life example is more appropriate... Soviet Union in WWII. A totalitarian state responsible for the deaths of millions (in gulags and in the Holodomor), invaded by Nazi Germany in June 1941. Britain - despite being ideological enemies of said state - immedietly embraced cooperation with Stalin's regime because the alternative was worse. This is called pragmatism. This also led to decades of torment for the peoples of Eastern Europe, the Cold War etc... but it did ensure the defeat of Nazi Germany.
But hey, we love simple black and white issues instead of annoying shades of grey...
@@Rendell001 The whole point of my example was that the extremes involved make it more interesting. Both the Empire and the Imperium are orders of magnitude worse than the USSR.
The most terrifying thing about the 40k universe is it’s uncertainty
Awesome stuff. Looking forward to more if you decide to make this a longer series (maybe not just Thrawn and Palp but also imperial officers, SW Inquisitors and vice-versa with Imperium characters sharing their analysis of the Galactic Empire). You've found a bit of a content gem and it will be very interesting to see how it develops :)
Absolutely amazing. I can only imagine the time it took for just the script. I hope Afanwithtoomuchtime sees this video and gives you a shoutout or something. You earned a sub.
Hes seen it. He even mentions that thrawn will be in the series at some point. Im looking forward to it
After this discussion with Thrawn, and comprehending the level of threat the galaxy is under, Lord Sidious has a change of heart. He realizes that his dreams of immortality are threatened, and that without support of the entire galaxy, he will lose everything he had worked for. Inspired by the legend of the God Emperor, the Sith Lord decides to try his own hand at uniting the galaxy, rather than trying to subjugate it. He simply does not have the forces necessary to both hold onto power through fear, and fight against whatever it is the Imperium of Man deals with on the daily. He will have to bite his lip and make peace with his enemies, or lose everything.
On the upside, the trials ahead will ensure he will not have to endure this humiliation for long. The great evil the Empire will have to face will be more than enough to finally end support for the Rebellion, and have them brought back into the fold. Rather than lowering himself to the level of the disgustingly altruistic peons he holds himself superior to, he will have an opportunity to raise them up to be more like himself, to have them embrace the dark side; because if they don't, they will die...and it won't even have to be at his, his apprentice's, or his military's hand. Their moral assertions will simply not allow them to survive what is coming. Perhaps that alone will make the experience of returning to the benevolent politician he was once pretended to be, tolerable.
*Que evil Emperor laugh.