Recoil Management and You - A Deep Dive into the Thumbs Forward Grip
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ต.ค. 2018
- A deep dive in how to best grip a pistol so the sights show up aligned, you can find the dot, and you can control recoil with a straight up and down sight climb.
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2:52 Yong Lee
6:05 Eric Grauffel - pt 1
8:09 Eric Grauffel - pt 2
10:15 Hwansik Kim - pt 1
11:16 Hwansik Kim - pt 2
15:50 Ron Avery - Pt 1
17:26 Ron Avery - Pt 2
19:46 Putting it together in Dry Fire
I reference a bunch of material - you can listen to the whole interviews here:
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firearmsnation.com/eric-grauff...
firearmsnation.com/hwansik-kim...
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Like many others, I'm revisiting this years after first seeing it. Virtually all my improvements in the interim have been from unlearning my super high aggro crush grip and incorporating the concepts that I gleaned from here. Thank you for compiling this and putting it up for free. I don't know where I would be if I didn't come across this channel
Thanks I’ll try it
Man I love how you tried to aggregate all these perspectives from real experts to logically connect the dots and allow people to figure out how they should work to improve their grip and overall shooting competence. Well Done boss!
It's crazy how much i learned rewatching this a year later. I've gotten more experience behind a gun and even attended several matches. This resonates a lot more now.
criminally underrated channel , the other guys are just reviewers he's the best when it comes to teaching technique
Went shooting last night for the second time with my G45 and was consistently low & right (lefty), the RO saw that I'm squeezing more than pulling so he let me know that. I'm looking forward to seeing what I can learn from this video. I'm 6min in
I know this video has been around for a bit, but I just found it. So incredibly right on everything. I never could do the really strong grip and have any accuracy. I have been drifting towards this method as I always wondered how kids that were under 10 years old could rock a competition and I know they didn't have anywhere near my grip strength. So thank you for filling all the finer points!
Every time I watch this I wish I could 'like' it again
That's high praise - thank you sir.
I'll help you out. *click
Such a good video couldn’t have put it better myself
@DeanStaufer liking your comment is my way of liking this again.
This video was my first exposure to this channel. I come back to this periodically as a refresher, I've watched it at least 8 times by now. I've recommended it to many people looking to improve their pistol grip & recoil management. If there was a 'Criterion Collection' for firearms related content like there is for movies/cinema, this video would need to be included.
High praise - thank you
@@TheHumbleMarksman what mag pouch are those? Facing out, looks interesting.
I feel like you've just saved me hours of work with this video. Thanks!
Outstanding lesson ! Interviewing experts is a great way to learn. Thank you!
I love this. I keep remembering my LE career and I never had the feeling that I was pressing really hard, but I was very accurate and pretty fast. Years and years ago I read Brian Enos’ book on shooting I really liked his approach. This has been really good for me four years after you made it. I’d love to see more and more and learn what you’re doing now that may be different.❤ Great content. Thanks for being interested and doing something to improve others.
I'm a firearms trainer and this is a great video, I love the step by step instructions!
Thanks for putting in the editing time/work to make this video happen. Lots of great info and clearly I have a long way to go. At least I know what I can be practicing now.
This is one of the best grip technique videos I've seen, very good very informative. Hard to argue against top tier professionals.
This was by far some of the most useful information I’ve ever seen on the internet. Thank you.
Very helpful video, especially now that I have Talon grips on my P-10F (great video on that as well, btw). Tried the front-to-rear concept at the range today, you can feel the clean, vertical pivot as you shoot, clear improvement, very cool, thanks for taking the time to provide such detail.
I was ready to click off this video thinking I knew it all, heard everybody. This really opened my eyes and got me reevaluating my grip. Thanks.
Absolutely AWESOME video and information! Thank you very much!! I look forward to putting these techniques to work my next range day.
OutSTANDING... thank you for this advanced lesson. Really appreciate your intelligent approach and your humor.
I took a clinic with Ron Avery and asked for more info on why he thinks the "pliable grip" works.... He told me that when the hand muscles are overly tense, they don't "conform" to the grips as well and you lose surface area contact points. He explains stuff really well but that's basically what pliable grip comes down to. Also using the chest muscles to help hold.
It makes all the sense in the world and I am jealous I haven’t had a class with Ron yet
Ron is a master with his knowledge on pistol shooting. There is so much about grip: not just what your hands are doing but what your wrist and forearms are doing, how you squeeze into the gun and how your chest engages. Pliable “sticky” hands, Ron also advocates grip strength and worked with very heavy captain of crush grip strengtheners as well as heavy rubber bands that cause you to extend your fingers out. Stance is also a part of Ron’s style that works with grip.
This especially makes sense when you're using granular or otherwise "grippy" tape on your pistol.
I love this video. You clearly have thought these things through, and it's awesome that you sifted through the podcasts and presented these gems. Their advice reveals that master-level skill, experience, and insight, and I love being able to absorb that. Thanks for this vid!
Great video. I was having a bit of trouble following it at first, but you really put it all together at the end. I could feel the difference immediately. Wasn't hunting for my front sight anymore. Really appreciate this one!
HOpe it helps!
Now that's instruction backed up be a talented team of experts. Listen, watch, do. Very nicely done sir with quality video and editing skills. Thank you for putting this together. Cheers.
Thanks for compiling all the tips from the various pros! Will definitely try this version at the range.
This video is awesome! I'm a very new pistol shooter. Just started a couple months ago. Tons of good info here. I have a great instructor, but obviously need loads of practice on my own. I'm working hard at trying to improve and feel like this Will definitely help. Thanks so much for compiling this video! Can't wait to try out what I've learned here when I go to the range today! 🙂 Now I'm going to watch this like five more times.😅
Congratulations!!! These videos help me a lot to improve my performance!
Best regards from Brazil.
This is a master’s collection with advanced editorial. Spot on.
Very good. Love it. I’ve watched it multiple times already. Just need to watch a couple of dozen more times to get it just right!
first of this type of collaboration I've seen, good stuff.
thanks and going to look for more
Ok this has cleaned up my sight alignment instantly. I am a newbie and have watched 10000 videos and this is the only one i need to watch. Thank you so much for posting this😊
I have an update to this - see my most recent video called shoot like a boss
This is awesome. You explain things so well. I’d guess you’re an engineer or a professor. You have a gift. Thank you for your time and sharing your gift with us. 👍🏻🇺🇸
hope it helps. Cheers.
Awesome video 10 years of shooting still learning new techniques. Thanks
glad you liked it!
Thank you, I actually managed to understand some explanations from other videos I watched thanks to this one, and now I feel like I can grip the Beretta 92 the best out of all the handguns I tried.
Small update about myself: I realised I was making a mistake in the way I was gripping: instead of gripping with the hand itself, I was actually using the fingertips to apply pressure... which means the hand itself was really loose, making the handgun very jumpy between each shots.
I doubt anyone else would make that same stupid mistake, but I thought I would share all the same.
This helped me I was brought up to have a death grip and just trying this at home makes enough difference to make it feel better in my hand and I see my sights faster and they are more stable
awesome man - get it on the range and let me know how it works out!
Supremely helpful video ! Smart, actionable, logical guidance. Thank you !
Excellent vid. The walk through on the grip was a nice bonus. Thanks!
This was really interesting. Appreciate you taking the time to put this together
Awesome video and I dig the more in-depth discussion of a topic. This approach is something I'll try out.
good luck with it.
Wonderful compilation of grip wisdom. Thank you!
This was an excellent video. Thank you for sharing this video. Very good! I will have to watch it several times.
Again, thanks!☺
Hope it helps man - let me know.
I tried it and I did notice acquisition of the sights and also the red dot on target was quicker and more consistent. Thanks for sharing.
That analogy of the ice breaking away from the side of a building did it for me. I get it now.
This really helped me out a lot. Thanks.
Great summary from analyzing top shooters.
Best video on grip I’ve seen. Thank you
Great video and amazing format, thank you for dedicating your time into putting content like this out.
Glad you enjoy it!
Headed to the range this weekend. I will definitely try this method. Thanks!
So for the past couple of yrs. I have sort of been experimenting with this very thing. Not by choice really. Had horrible carpal tunnel in my right hand, and lower grade carpal tunnel in my left. So as the condition worsens blood flow to the hands is restricted. Therefor I had atrophy of the muscles in both of my hands. The large muscle under my right thumb is visibly much smaller. So as the grip got weaker I had to try and compensate by really working the elbows and wrists. Oddly enough I advanced up the ranks of my chosen drug/game (IDPA) quite a bit. I think this is why I like my Steyr soo much. It helped me with control due to the grip angle/deep beavertail when I was struggling with grip. I still hold very firmly but not a crushing grip anymore. And It really believe it helps with trigger speed. My .02.
The best informative video there is - thanks for the effort putting it together
Thanks for sharing these tips/lessons. Just started shooting in the local IDPA matches(next month will be #3). I've been trying to find my grip to get more accurate and faster. I'll be working on these dry fire and to try next match.
Very good video with great explaination of grip and grip pressure. Well done. I would like to see more videos like this one.
10-4. I will keep an eye out for topics that make sense to approach like this.
This video has helped me immensely! Thank you so much!
Glad it helped. Cheers
Super interesting; I'll try some of these techniques at the range this week. As an older guy, I have always used the modified Weaver stance, but I'm going to try this since I've now acquired a 'dot' gun ( needing bifocals sucks), so we'll see how that goes. I like the format. Thanks for the video.
Excellent instructional video. Very much like approach of using the Shooters Summit videos along with your analysis and commentary. Would like to see more like this.....
gonna be tough - that one took a year to make!
Nice video. I especially liked the last minute or so from the targets perspective.
bringing so many pieces of the puzzle together. So much info! thanks. (even though I'm still struggling to doubletap to my liking!)
Good video man. I'm going to have to keep practicing this before next range session to make the most of it.
really well explained, i had several ah ha moments ! i knew about rolling the elbows but keeping the hands soft but the tention in the fingers over the front strap... oh boy...Im back to square one... awesome video !
let me know how it goes for you - I'm genuinely curious how the technique helps folks. I'm an "objective truth" guy so more data is better.
Great video and very good teaching as well
Thank You Humble Marksman for this!
Just what the doctor ordered!
The video format is excellent.
I had watched Ron Avery's videos before and they make a lot of sense. If you watch his recoil control and accuracy it clearly shows that this method works.
When I started shooting I used to use the push pull method - I stopped using it and noticed my accuracy suffered a little. Definitely going back to it after watching this video. JJ Racaza also advocates for the push pull method.
With my support hand carpal tunnel issues it is good to see the top shooters state that one doesn't have to grip the pistol with all they've got.
Thanks for sharing. I'll incorporate these lessons along with the other tips that you had given to me.
Best of luck with it. Cheers
Absolutely on Point. Can't wait to go to the range to apply these methods
- thank you very much
Hope they help. Cheers.
Hey great video! I have always done a side to side grip w my support hand doing the majority of the work.
I tried this technique last weekend when I was out shooting and it went great. Recoil management was easy and I was averaging .15-.17 on all my splits for the 200-300 rounds I shot. My old constant time was .18-.2 with the same hits.
Thank you!
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Nah man u need to keep donating to the NRA, how the fk is he suppose to afford his yatch or private jets. They don't buy themselves.
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@@zigbeegooblesnort125 I just don't give money to the NRA, I polish their boots and suck their 🐓. When they want more I'll be yes, master. Seconds please. Thank you master. 😂 This is how you all should be u ungrateful people.
@@sv2697 you got a little NRA left on your chin
I’m a befinner and after my first IPSC competitions felt I need to grip harder, but when testing I felt I lost control. This method makes much more sense and now I’m eager to get down to the range and test it. Thank’s! //Marcus from Sweden
Really great video. This made the newer style of grip really click for me.
Exceptional and great lessons in this video! Will put this to use while dry firing and range training. I also battle with being cross eyed dominant as a right hand shooter.
As of know my method to combat this is to present my pistol under my left eye while keeping both eyes open and not tilting or rotating my head.
Not as consistent as I want to be but seems to be getting better.
@TheHumbleMarksman I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thank you.
At first it did fly in the face of everything I saw&read (and sometimes did) before. But after viewing it several times, I do see the point (from purely dynamics perspective) so I started to practice it (in my garage)
Just saw this and put it to use. Wonderful tip. Thanks so much!
Great video. I never knew of the individuals that you showed on this video. I'm just getting started in shooting.
I'm fairly consistent on targets but I'll have a day where it just doesn't happen. I need tips like these, subtle as they are
yet useful to practice with. Thanks so much. I always learn something from your videos. Ken
those are the masters for sure. I'm just a hack with a youtube channel.
Most excellent content and delivery! Thanks you sir
Thanks for watching - Hope it helps!
This was a lot of help. Good instruction. Thank you.
Thank you for making this. Very useful information.
Thanks for watching
I'm prepping for my first match and that front to back pressure makes perfect sense as explained by these professionals. I've been subscribing to that crushing the grip from the sides and it's working okay but I know there's got to be a better way. There's too much wobble when I do that, and I feel my speed is limited. Can't wait to get to the range and try this alternative method of gripping. Thanks Dave, for providing this kind of content.
Great video. I took the Handgun Mastery course at TPC and it improved my shooting by an order of magnitude. I think the pliable grip is right on the money. This is the first video I've seen of yours. Thanks!
about a week before he died I lamented I was worried I wouldn't make it to TPC in time to catch Avery. He was a legend.
Thanks for this . It’s a very informative video. It gave good instruction on how to build the proper grip and gives me something to work on !
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video. Much of what was presented in the videos is the same as what I have learned works for me over the last 5 years and a WHOLE lot of ammo. I don’t compete but am a high volume hobby shooter. For me in summary what works is no dependence on thumb pressure as they are up and not touching the frame at all (I have large hands if that matters) This also puts the pistol lower pushing more recoil straight back. Then grip pressure is firm but not choking the grip, but good pressure high in the back, and on the front of the grip (kind of a push pull style). Then what I have found is important for me is that the side grip has as much surface contact as possible with firm but not a stranglehold grip. Then I work to get the right pressure left and right so that the pistol tracks up and down, and not side to side. One item of note for me is that the pressure and grip left to right varies a bit depending on the grip size, texture of the grip, and grip angle of the pistol I happen to be shooting to make it track straight up and down. I figured this all out mostly with a H&K P30 that I couldn’t do well with at all because of the trigger breaking so far back. This also tightened my groups a lot also.
Thanks for another good video.
yqtszhj that’s a pretty good summary. The “how can they use a loose grip” then Ron Avery kind of nailed it. I am nearly stacking rounds at 3 yards with .25 splits about a third of the time. I can feel it when I am doing it right- I just have to figure out how to do it all the time
I watched Bob Vogel's vid on this same thing, but this was much more informative. Thanks for posting.
Dig the instructional format. Will have to practice this and apply it to this weekend's PPC match.
good luck!
Brilliant video, thanks.
This answered my questions on grip and draw! Thanks.
Time for a few thousand tries to get it locked in!
THis video is awesome, thanks for putting it together
Glad you enjoyed it!
Just wanted to thank you for this video
Thanks for the tips and video!
Thank you I'm going to try this on my practice session.
Good luck. For giggles, try and do the full weaver stance only to feel what your elbow/wrist feel - it's easy to lock them out. You want to lock the elbow and wrist while keeping your fingers loose.
What a great video. Thank you for producing great content.
hope it helps. Cheers
great video… in shooting always have to open to new ideas.. I’m practicing this
excellent video.. will try this next time on the range
great video today.. would like to see more of these
Great video...the techniques described make a lot of sense.
Hope it helps - cheers.
Thank you for calling it a 'Slide stop' 👍🍻
Very well done video and I do like the format I know a lot goes into this kind of video, I will work on this next live fire session and in dry fire and let you know what I find
Keep me updated. For giggles do the weaver stance and feel how your wrist/elbow feel - it's easy to lock out that way - then try to recreate that feeling using the isosceles stance
I’m very double jointed, so should be easy right Pops? Ummm, yeah right, lol. Very interesting the way it helped the kid hold on. Also, the looser grip with the joints locked is very interesting.
Did. do some live fire today with death grip, to more relaxed and somewhere in between, there was a sweet spot the red fiber just danced up and down vertices a little
Pops & THM,
VERTICALLY.
I’m TH-cam challenged, but thanks for both of what you guys do. :)
@@TheHumbleMarksman As a result of being cross eyed dominant, I have to move the sites to my left eye with my right hand which puts me in a Weaver stance but using the rest of the technique you've described Is something that I discovered through trial-and-error. Mostly error. Bringing it all together on the range and in a training regimen is something I'm going to pursue.
Excellent video as always 👍
this is interesting. I "learned" to handle handguns with revolvers, when I was 12 yold... my dad though to always have a relaxed hand but to lock my wrist.
Well... 20 years later and after having bought my 1st gun and returning to practice with firearms... My grip on my pistol is instinticve a "loose" hand and a locked wrist
great vid, very informative!
Great video and format. Thank you.
Thanks for watching - hope it helps!
very clear instruction, nice job
I just had my gun recently, and a small guy, and been looking for a lot of videos and seems pretty much not convincing on helping me because most of this people are beefy so they can have the luxury of strength to manage the recoil efficiently, but when I heard of Hwansik Kim his idea of managing recoil it seems pretty much convincing and helpful to me. So I will try to follow his suggestion and hope it bears fruit. once again Thank you for sharing this video it helps a lot.
Excellent review. Thank you.
Really fantastic. Only sad that I didn't see this two years ago....
Great to see these segments, the ones from Ron Avery are oldie goldie’s.
thank you sir this was really interesting .