Rory: “I think City should be relegated” Next season when they investigate Chelsea’s £600 million spent, Rory: “I didn’t think City should have been relegated”
@@User594gs57 Firstly, this has nothing to do with FIFA and their FFP rules. This is the Premier League investigating falsified capital gains and financial irregularities within its own league, so making the claim that Chelsea must be in the clear due to its recent sale and purchase could be somewhat premature.
Thanks for the analysis guys, as an Italian, I remember Calciopoli really vividly along with the Serie A being revoked and given to Inter. It simply doesn't feel the same getting the title, my Inter supporting friends felt horrible and cheated from something that was genuinely theirs. That being said, considering the severity of it, City should get relegated and titles revoked.
Hate to say but you're wrong on one regard. The title was never given to Inter, it was actually vacated. And I think thats the likely thing to happen in this situation. The titles wont be revoked, but instead vacated which is maybe just as sad.
If for 10 years they lied then I agree but if we are going off the 2018 investigation which this contains . I don't know about the evidence they have . I do see us getting hit with some type of deduction maybe transfer based.
@@Keysersoze786why not they sell players for higher than united and they win a lot more, or are you saying that because United sell more shirts and tickets there revenue will be better? Because that wouldn’t make sense.
This needs to be used as a way to make an example out of City. Enforce the harshest punishments possible to make sure City doesn’t do it again, Newcastle doesn’t do it, or any club that gets bought in the future
The timing of this is very interesting, as Wednesday was supposed to have discussions and a potential announcement of a Premier League regulation and oversight from the government. Four hours after City's alleged breaches were revealed, the government pushed that back those dates two weeks. Almost as if the PL hierarchy are trying to prove they actually have control and don't need to be looked into and have outside oversight into their dealings.
They are all corrupted in my eyes, but this has taken the piss. Over 100 alleged breaches. They need need to be relegated and titles stripped if found guilty.
@@joannegreene4044 "If found guilty" is the key thing there. If they are, absolutely, but we are nowhere close to a resolution. All l I'm highlighting is, it's very convenient that this news arrives and is given to the public exactly when the Premier League needs it, to use as evidence, in their own case, to why they don't need regulation from any outside parties. Something that could hinder their own business.
@@J_Tevo but this has been an investigation for over 4 years before any talk of regulation and super league, and how can a club with a relatively small Fan base to the point that the manager constantly talks about begging for fans and atmosphere make more in revenue that every single prem team including man utd and Real Madrid, like how is that possible we are talking about revenue not trophies by the way,
@@joannegreene4044 100 breaches but in reality it's 5 , 30 of those breaches are to do with city not complying with the premier league , let's not try and self excite ourselves too much
If they found 100 breaches over a four year investigation I think it's fair to say they're absolutely guilty and should be stripped of their titles and relegated.
Come on men who told you that city's and Chelsea are big clubs ,Chelsea will have the same charges and both will go back to championship football like they used to do b4 the money
The thing is, it has been in plain sight this entire time. The suggestion that City legitimately generate more money then Real Madrid and Manchester United is laughable. It’s financial doping, like Chelsea has financially doped. City’s fraud has stolen the legacy of Klopps Liverpool like Chelsea stole the legacy of Arsenal in the early 2000s.
@@SpicyDragoonhe’s said plenty of times he grew up watching city, I don’t know him personally so I don’t know but people like to pretend City didn’t have fans before money which is very dumb.
I think you guys are right...there are people behind the scenes machinating ways to get the Super League made. Punishing big clubs will only further their cause and they know it. I think the governing body of Europe should lay down a CONTINENT wide rule of allowing only 10 non-academy/homegrown spots on the roster. Currently in the PL, it's 17. 10 is a drastic change, forcing the clubs to invest in the academy, but not so drastic that the big clubs can still bring in plenty of talent.
City getting relegated makes me so happy just thinking about it, imagine how I’d feel if it really happened. Disclaimer: I don’t see them getting relegated with all the cash they bring in.
Nah... They have to go league one at least regardless of revenue they generate. And start the league season with a hefty points handicap. Maybe Newcastle can replace them in terms of revenue generation- until they mess up themselves.
Really good section, especially listening to Buveys thoughts. As a Liverpool fan i'd love to see City relegated but way beyond that the end of petrostates using these teams and financially doping competitions.
On the subject of doping and off the top of my head... Real Madrid in the 50s were Franco's team receiving lots of ill-gotten funding that way (hell, doesn't the 'Real' mean Royal?). Re Liverpool - and I consider myself a fan here - in the glory years of the 60s / 70s / 80s, were they not owned by the guy who ran Littlewoods' pools? A very rich man. Did every club have a sugar daddy with the same kind of financial clout? Maybe it's more extreme these days, but I strongly doubt a single 'historically successful' club got where it is today without a benefactor putting extra money in. Hell, if you really want fairness across the board, every club should have the same sized stadium, charging the fans the same ticket prices with TV shares split more fairly, also.
@@NeilMalthus Real Madrid are still funded by the state (search "Real Madrid forced to pay back illegal state aid"), as well as being helped financially by Spanish banks and the Spanish FA. As for Liverpool. The Moore's family never pumped any of their own money into the club, which is the reason why David Moores sold the club, as he knew that the club simply couldn't compete financially with clubs such as Man Utd. It's only know-nothing muppets and trolls that keep trying to make out that Liverpool's success was down to some kind of sugar daddy. During Liverpool's heyday Man Utd and the likes of Nottingham Forrest were spending more money on players, sometimes breaking the British transfer record.
Some good takes from Rory. Lets not make this a Man City thing, Money in general is ruining football, what Chelsea has done this window is really disgusting.
@@luminescence_visuals look at the finances of the premier league compared to the other major European leagues. The premier league is basically a super league now
If City get stripped of their previous titles, then both the Aguerooo moment and the Gerrard slip would be both invalidated. Klopp would have won 3 PL's in 4 seasons and Mourinho and Ole would've won a PL with United. It's highly unlikely that City's punishment would be that severe given how their UEFA ban worked out but it would a wet dream for Liverpool and United fans
The UEFA ban didn’t work out because they didn’t have legal grounds to punish city past a certain year. It was too far back. The premier league doesn’t have that issue. They can punish a team for wrongdoings from 1994 if they wanted to. This has nothing to do with the UEFA ban. Also, the UEFA ban allowed city the opportunity to lawyer up. In this instance, City aren’t allowed to. It’s an investigation into factual evidence. If that factual evidence is found to have been in breach of pre-set rules, then that’s it. City are guilty and they can’t negotiate or argue for a reduced punishment. The premier league will punish them how they see fit. And I see this being the most severe punishment possible. 10 years of crimes and 100 charges. That’s not light. That’s not minor. That is seriously severe rule breaches
@@kinnexion It's easy to just write 100 charges and when you go through the charges you discover over 30 is for not cooperating with the premier league... It might probably turn out like the Benjamin Mendy scenario
It would not be a “wet dream” at all, because you can’t go back in time 6 years and celebrate a retrospective technicality of a title unless you’re a little bit weird and a child
If you look at the charges and the years it contains the year 2018 ; both the UCL and PL made an investigation the Same year . It's all about how they receive information. Uefa failed their case because their information was obtained through illegal means " hacking ". It's going to be hard to prove anything unless they have it in document
@@CollinY818 I heard a similar argument elsewhere that was rebutted with "if a car thief breaks into a car and finds a body and calls the police the murderer will still get arrested.
I mean they did buy those titles and the funny part is that they tried to offend our intelligence by acting like they are a gigantic club and they make more revenue than United lol. They got away with this for far too long.
The insulting our intelligence was honestly the most egregious aspect of it. They had financial statements saying they made revenue on par with Real Madrid 😂
Won a few leagues and they’re pulling in more money than a Real Madrid that just three peated the fucking champions league! 😂 DEFINITELY TOTALLY LEGIT 😂
Really good convo. Agree with Rory a lot here. Love to hate on Buvy but honestly sucks for longtime City fans. And then Elliott popping in late to name all the titles made me lol
Rory plays both sides. He was celebrating Boehly spending all that money just a week ago. But now he doesn’t want clubs to spend big money? What’s happening to City has him shook 😂
Rory said multiple times he doesn't like the money Chelsea has been spending and wasting... but Chelsea has global appeal and has had global appeal for decades, and they generate far more revenue, ACTUAL... REAL... REVENUE, than City. Nobody outside England gives a shit about City except Muslims in New York and the UAE. City hasn't even won the CL in all this time and still can't even sell out their stadium, yet their revenue is somehow SOOOOOOO high. Compared to teams like Madrid, Liverpool and Bayern who have actually won titles fairly in the last few years.
As a City fan I will take the punishment even if it is severe and I actually agree that there may have to be some seminal moment for the financial correction of football but all I ask is have the same energy for the other clubs. I find it very hard to believe that all these other billionaire owners are clean in their dealings.
@@11Pyze I never said the other clubs are clean. Read my comment again. I was referencing the fact City have got away with it for 10 years or more and you want to talk about "same energy" for the other clubs.
City wouldn't turn up at millwall..and if they did they certainly wouldn't get out at Surrey quays which they'd have to do for a tear up at the foresters and blue anchor pubs!🤨✊👹
Wish this was an option in a Master League for PES*, you play a normal season and then just get an email were you get a court date and you watch the whole thing conspire and have to choose your answers and research all the paperwork to try to get away from being relegated or points deducted...common Konami!
As a Manchester United fan its actually fantastic to sit back and watch a Chelsea and a Manchester city fan sit down and discuss the FFP in the premier league. Two clubs who simply wouldn't be relevant without Oil money.
I think its important to let things play out but at the same time some of the reports City have previously put out in terms of revenue have been concerning. Specifically this past year when they claimed to be the most profitable club in the world ahead of Barcelona & Real Madrid.
As a city fan its definitely money laundering and a lack of discreetneess. But I don’t think he club, fans or players should be punished, would say a hefty fine and compensation would be pretty fair and a criminal investigation into soriano who does city’s business dealings.
@@JSmirkingRevenge you want a fucking slap on the wrist for allegations going back as far as 2009? Get fucked, kid. You city fans are just as bad as Liverpool fans in your delusions. Accept that your team did wrong and that punishment should be severe. Juventus were punished. They took it and pushed forward
People should be careful of banning Man City, you don't want premier league to look like Italian Serie A with their bans, it took that league back as a whole, I suggest they should get some penalties like hefty fines , points deduction but not too much .Not total ban or relegation, Premier league as a package is even watched more than champions league around the world.
Back in 1999 when Man Utd won the UCL one of the greats of football, forgive me I can’t exactly remember who. Cruyff, Puskas, Eusebio, someone in that league said “it’s the first time a business has won the European Cup, sadly I see others trying to copy the model”. It stuck with me, I get it. The days of “football clubs” were numbered.
@@YeTism they als have the pedophillia fc trophy what with the 15 years of abusing young boys also the racist fc trophy for starting neo nazi faction combat18 on the terraces nice club 🫡 relegated like palace
Cut the crap! We all know they’re guilty! How can a club that has a much much smaller fan base than Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Liverpool and so on. Be earning more than all those clubs! Having only ever been to 1 champions league final as well. Makes no sense whatsoever
Should be a large fine (100m+) and points deduction and the money should be pumped into the lower leagues to re build the English footballing pyramid as a whole
Buvey sits on this high horse as a Man City fan and what they’ve achieved in only the last 10 years, looking down at every other club. Glad this is happening. Manchester will NEVER be blue
Haaland to Real? De Bruyne to Bayern? Foden to the Championship. Grealish to Newcastle? Stones to Chelsea? Walker to Nottingham Forest. Dias to PSG? Rodri to Barca?
Just weeks ago after the Manchester derby Buvey was calling United the biggest cheat in the world.. After a 50/50 goal was awarded by VAR ... Now his club is hit with more than 100 charges of financial doping, cheating 😂😂😂😂😂 i love this game... Don't look back in anger
I'd imagine if they were not disclosing and being dodgy then the teams they were buying and selling to and from would have to be involved 🤔 or they'd have been caught ages ago
I 100% agree, taking their titles away does not take away the memories they had. You can still do it so people don't forget they cheated to win them. But I think you have to hurt their future more than their past. I'm not sure I like the idea of relegation; you can't look past all the good they have done with that area and with the club itself. I guess we need to sort out what exactly these 100 crimes are.
It ranges from players and managers getting paid extra on their contracts to not following the grass trimming rules 😂 they've breached 15 rules every season for 10 years
@@m.browne2548 it doesnt matter its like the cartel (its an analogy) they get rich off of crime then turn around and say we better the area we live in cause we build new hotels an assign jobs.....cheating is cheating so the benefits of their cheating doesn't hold as much merit.simple.if u cant get that then forget it
When the premier league was formed , a wise old man who drank in my local said " that's the end of our game lads , they are now selling the soul of football to the highest bidder " . He was right & every move has been a corporate one , money money money . The soul of football died a long time ago .
@@ermencg1630 chelsea's commercial revenue is way more than city's because they actually have big global fanbase.. man utd and liverpool can easily do what chelsea are doing with amortization but their owners choose not to spend money..
The most simple solution is to have a cost cap per division. That way it doesn't matter who your owners are or how much money you have, the limit on spending is the same for everyone.
@@tombardsley3081 learn about the meaning of monopoly u pleb. the clubs that were running football earned their way up. not bought out by rich people to make their human right violations less vile
@@MrVish6666 money spending is money spending regardless of the source. An owner wrote a cheque and they spent to get to and stay at the top. Pre Chelsea and man city, this was man united doing exactly this when the premier league began all the way up into the 2000s. Blackburn as well for their league title and then also what Leeds and Newcastle were doing to lesser extents to try and compete with the monopoly that was man united who were breaking all the transfer records
@@tombardsley3081 Rubbish. United went back and fort for many years with Arsenal and did it sustainably. You probably started watching football in 2008.
I agree 1000% with Rory, anything other than a huge transfer ban and OR relegation will have no impact. United and Liverpool fans really have been robbed of titles, particularly Liverpool who would have had 3 of the most insane years recorded including a treble last season, and the European double as well a couple years prior. Cheats need to be punished in the most extreme possible way
If found guilty, strip them of the titles, but don’t give it to 2nd place, it would be pointless as it didn’t actually happen. Makes a mockery out of city for cheating, but keeps the clubs that finished 2nd’s dignity in tact. Being awarded a title with an asterix isn’t the same, and get rid of city from the league.
The solution is having a salary cap like the NBA and NFL. Clubs should only be able to pay a certain amount in a tiered system to players. Problem solved. No need for a Super League
Although the amounts of money being thrown around is ridiculous I think the buying and selling of players for ridiculous amounts is the best way to spread the money going into the biggest league clubs around the world to smaller league clubs. Personally I think this kind of trickle down of money from the top clubs is really important for the development of the clubs around the world.
These absolute jokers, both have been giving it large and crowing about their teams successes, ignoring the damage their clubs have done. Suddenly, “money has ruined football”.
This has been coming for a long time, I was not surprised when they almost got banned from European competitions a couple of years ago. I personally think there should be a massive fine and relegation for sure. Retrospectively they have cheated potential title winners and affected clubs getting into Europe. That being said I think they’ll get away with this like they did with UEFA probably a 3 to 15 point deduction with a £50 mill fine which will not affect them at all.
They only escaped the UEFA ban because it was past the jurisdiction of CAS to be able to do anything in terms of the date. They only have a set number of years they can go back and punish a team for. The premier league is different. They can punish a team all the way back to the start of the league
Like Rory said, there's no point stripping City of their titles - competitors and fans don't want to be handed trophies, they want to earn them and enjoy the moment.
In sports such as Athletics, if a medalist is found to have cheated, the medals are reassigned as if that person never competed, even if their cheating is discovered many years after the event.
They need to stripped off the prem titles . The second placed teams in those seasons are ( 18/19 , 21/22 , 13/14 ) Liverpool and ( 20/21 , 17/18 , 11/12 ) Man utd . Also fine them and relegate them and ban them from Europe . I am tired about hearing the world class players that they constantly buy and how great of a manager is Pep . Let's see them be successful in the championship .
As a football fan from Australia, I think that the title stripped would work differently. In rugby league, when Melbourne where found to have cheated, the titles from the time period where stripped, but the other team weren't declared the winner, just that they didn't have a winner that season.
@@tf1943 its not about corupt blood money. every country has killed and pillaged places. uk included. its about following the rules set by the premier league. thats where it all falls down for city. i could care less about what their or newcastle owners did.
crazy how Barcelona despite facing bankruptcy still has more pull than these clubs in the premier league and PSG ran by billionaire owners and countries with unlimited funds and spending, biggest club in the world
I think the Prem needs to implement a wage cap. Would limit the amount of superstars each club could have and make youth products who bleed their clubs colors more valuable
As much as I’d be delighted for them to be relegated, I don’t see city getting relegated given the amount of money they bring into the prem. along with the competitiveness they bring as a great team.
It’s a weird one, on the one hand they could be cleared of all accusations and stay as they are, but if found guilty it has to be relegation and maybe titles stripped but then how would that affect the teams who were relegated or missed out on top four etc. the only thing everyone can agree on is that city’s revenue is definitely nowhere near the uniteds and madrids of the world nevermind earning more than said clubs
Lets be honest its not just City that are doing those 100+ breaches is crazy, that just proves that FA cant keep up anymore. Lets make the rules more strict and more easy to be proven and enforced (but not made on size of the club), like for example salary cap (1mil pounds a week) and transfers cap (100 mil per windows).
Absolutely. FFP is too wishy washy and selectively applied. Clubs outside of the premier league get hit harder than what premier league clubs have been when they've breached the rules, including teams that got promoted to the premier league in the first place.
If you think about most other sports if a player was found to be cheating,doping etc they would be stripped of titles,i think if City were found to have purchased players or just generally strenghtened the club outside of the rules any titles or cups won in that time must be stripped and given to the club that came second,its harsh but just look at the clubs that have been chasing City in the last 10 years,its harsh for them having to deal with wealth like Cities especially if they are getting extra unfair advantages.
Man City if found guilty need to have the book thrown at them; the punishment needs to be fitting and one that can be applied to any club that commits these apparent financial crimes. Chelsea are the club they are today thanks to Russian money laundering and many of their fans proud of it. English football has been tainted for a long time, its rotten.
i think stripping the titles / achievements would be the wrong outcome, i cant imagine any teams genuinely accepting the awards after the fact as if they actually won whatever competition it was, agree with Rory i think if allegations proven true it probably has to be relegation, fine and point deduct aren't even a slap on the wrist.
i also think it would be horrible if it were to mean moments like the aguero goal were insignificant and rendered void. such an iconic moment for it to be overwritten in history because they were lying about their balance. they need to be punished off the pitch before memories of on the pitch are tarnished.
@@nath8961 I've always said this. Can't change the past. The players and coaches win these trophies. You can definitely punish clubs for the future though. They can keep their titles. They've never won the champions league though and now they can be set back years.
@@kinnexion i disagree tho the players won the league on the pitch, its not like weve found out the refs were paid or anything. Thats a punishment for the fans and not for the crooks at the top
If all of these charges stick and they were paying staff/players via third party companies to avoid FFP, I don’t see how those titles can remain in their possession. Also this has the potential to really impact the Premier Leagues standing and reputation in the world, so will be fascinating to see how it’s handled.
As a Liverpool fan. I am glad this is happening to city. It is heartbreaking to see your team finish a point behind a team that everyone knew was spending mass amounts of money when you are doing everything by the book. Those 3 years we finished a point behind, there was that feeling that you had been robbed by a team that can just out spend you.
Unfortunately the moment has gone...I'm a reds fan getting titles this way will feel flat isnt how I want to gain the trophy... It's sad this was so obvious one that hurts me was last season citys bench was strong very strong villa had no chance...but what's gone is gone football moving forward is what matters for me just feel bad for klopp tbh he deserved at least one more...but that's life let's just hope this doesnt drag on for football and city fans I feel bad for them I dont have the hatred their fans will feel so let down.....
@@LTC366 more I think about it mate more irritated I get..lol Maybe we should hope they are innocent otherwise going to be a cloud over klopps time eternal what ifs....
You have to take the rough with the smooth. Deceit and cheating got City years of titles. you can afford - if guilty - relegation. And what a message it would send. The PL is a huge international product, and part of that is betting in Asia. If they do not trust the sport/product, the PL could fall from its perch. We should take nothing for granted
@@jamesomara3361 £, fella, £. Why do you think the PL sells globally ahead of Spain/Italy? 100s millions of Asian bet on the football they trust. And that is the PL, not Serie/Liga. And THAT is what gives PL the £ clout to become the best league. Kill that egg, and you're goosed
@Mango 4ttwo lmao. Asian betting is such an insignificant piece of the premier league puzzle. They have figured out how to sell story, a compelling narrative, all through the lens of the most competitive and accessible league in the world. The prem makes all that money because it's the most watched. Asian sports betting, how would the league even generate a significant amount of money from that? You are out of your mind lmao
As a liverpool fan i feel cheated. I know weve been cheated out of our titles, we did the impossible and got nothing for it. Even if they go back and give us our titles it wont matter theyve taken far more than that
Rory, you can’t be found “innocent.” It’s “guilty” or “not guilty” Court of law doesn’t try to prove innocence. If they’re found not guilty it doesn’t mean they didn’t do it.
As a Brighton fan Rory argumentation around the PSV wholesale in the winter window resonates quite strongly with me. I have been waiting for this bubble to burst a long long time.
PSV is maybe not the best example. Because the reason their best players were for sale was financial mismanagement. They needed to sell. They even fired their director because he refused to sell Gakpo this summer. But the point still stands that Premier League money is crazy. Players are moving from Champions League clubs to clubs fighting against relegation.
Both Rory and Buvey wouldn’t have a platform had it not been for corrupt foreign investment. City and Chelsea were no more than mid table clubs prior to investment.
It's so nice to see a Championship fan finally being represented on this show
Cheeky
You don't take prisoners, do you??😂🤣🤣🤣
Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣
Come on mate 😂 Chelsea still have enough games to avoid the drop
I see what you did there 🤣
Rory: “I think City should be relegated”
Next season when they investigate Chelsea’s £600 million spent, Rory: “I didn’t think City should have been relegated”
You must be living under a rock if you don’t see how Chelsea have bypassed ffp.
It’s concerning that you actually believe Chelsea spent anywhere near that amount
man city actually spent 600m so there fucked lol
@@User594gs57 Firstly, this has nothing to do with FIFA and their FFP rules. This is the Premier League investigating falsified capital gains and financial irregularities within its own league, so making the claim that Chelsea must be in the clear due to its recent sale and purchase could be somewhat premature.
@@datboidiego9164 They did tho? That’s not even a question… Installments don’t suddenly mean you’re absolved of paying it.
Pep managing against Luton Town and Stole City next season will be hilarious
Pep will be long gone before then. City will swap him for Potter.
Pep is leaving mate
If their guilt is proven, they should be relegated to the lowest division non-leagues probably.
Pep won't see the Championship, he'll leave
Pep’s gonna be Arteta’s assistant.
rory, buvey and mckola, the club has officially landed 💯
Holy shit
Landed and already prepared for take off 🫡
👀
Basically threw Geordie under the bus and ran off with his show which made these nuggets big time in the first place, A grade snakes.
@@jackgreenway4646 How so?
If Man City get relegated, does this mean you'll need a replacement for Buvey on this show?
Nah he'll probably just switch to Chelsea
@@Rizwaan122 newcastle probs
If you look closely, he already has a Man Utd shirt ready underneath that black top
@@BHKG8818 thought you woulda said arsenal right now
@@laughalittle2345 well, beggars can’t be choosers can they?
Thanks for the analysis guys, as an Italian, I remember Calciopoli really vividly along with the Serie A being revoked and given to Inter. It simply doesn't feel the same getting the title, my Inter supporting friends felt horrible and cheated from something that was genuinely theirs.
That being said, considering the severity of it, City should get relegated and titles revoked.
Fergie time when he gets his umpteenth title
@@andypandy4607 Lol yeah, ultra delayed Fergie time
To be fair 20 years ago inter had a period of spending looney money for years . I’m sure it wasn’t above board .
@@carletouk there wasnt FFP at the time so they couldn't break any rules
Hate to say but you're wrong on one regard. The title was never given to Inter, it was actually vacated. And I think thats the likely thing to happen in this situation. The titles wont be revoked, but instead vacated which is maybe just as sad.
They should get relegated if they did what they are being charged with. There is no excuse for them and what they did
If for 10 years they lied then I agree but if we are going off the 2018 investigation which this contains . I don't know about the evidence they have . I do see us getting hit with some type of deduction maybe transfer based.
I bet they get maximum a fine and transfer ban. Thats it.
@@benjaminsehr2566 that’s exactly what’ll happen. Owners will pay the right people to make it go away!
@@Efnol your delusional there's no way for eg they make more revenue then utd for eg there is foul play going on
@@Keysersoze786why not they sell players for higher than united and they win a lot more, or are you saying that because United sell more shirts and tickets there revenue will be better? Because that wouldn’t make sense.
This needs to be used as a way to make an example out of City. Enforce the harshest punishments possible to make sure City doesn’t do it again, Newcastle doesn’t do it, or any club that gets bought in the future
Simple way for none of this to ever happen again is have every premier league club have audited financial statements
They already do this. Man City were cooking the books and hiding from investigation.
@@joeyfinlay2475 Allegedly
@@whatwentwrong4599 100x, allegedly
@@joeyfinlay2475 that do not already do this for all clubs. What are you talking about?
@@whatwentwrong4599 not allegedly. they were found guilty of this by the court of arbitration of sport and fined 10 million euros
“Neither one of us barely qualifies to watch football let alone the legality of it” was class 😂😂😂
Bro like lawyers don’t watch football wtf you licking this guys balls for
The only qualification to watch anything is at least 1 working eye.
Nothing more.
@@TSF15152 damn who hurt you my boy ? 😭🙈
@@yt.personal.identification bro it’s a joke. Chill.
@@UnbiasedGooner Relax bud.
My comment wasn't that much of a serious issue either.
The timing of this is very interesting, as Wednesday was supposed to have discussions and a potential announcement of a Premier League regulation and oversight from the government.
Four hours after City's alleged breaches were revealed, the government pushed that back those dates two weeks. Almost as if the PL hierarchy are trying to prove they actually have control and don't need to be looked into and have outside oversight into their dealings.
They are all corrupted in my eyes, but this has taken the piss. Over 100 alleged breaches. They need need to be relegated and titles stripped if found guilty.
*goes back to watching paint dry*
@@joannegreene4044 "If found guilty" is the key thing there. If they are, absolutely, but we are nowhere close to a resolution.
All l I'm highlighting is, it's very convenient that this news arrives and is given to the public exactly when the Premier League needs it, to use as evidence, in their own case, to why they don't need regulation from any outside parties. Something that could hinder their own business.
@@J_Tevo but this has been an investigation for over 4 years before any talk of regulation and super league, and how can a club with a relatively small Fan base to the point that the manager constantly talks about begging for fans and atmosphere make more in revenue that every single prem team including man utd and Real Madrid, like how is that possible we are talking about revenue not trophies by the way,
@@joannegreene4044 100 breaches but in reality it's 5 , 30 of those breaches are to do with city not complying with the premier league , let's not try and self excite ourselves too much
The amount of humbling Buvey has got this season. First trailing behind Arsenal and now this
Adam came out with a good one on another video "Never mind three in a row United might get three in a day!"
If they found 100 breaches over a four year investigation I think it's fair to say they're absolutely guilty and should be stripped of their titles and relegated.
Wow. As a ‘small’ club fan, my respect for both of you has just grown massively. Thank you both for speaking up for football.
Guess you support spurs😉
@@jakeforestryandfarmingblog6188 Saints😭
@@DL-lv2rq A proper club mate👍, at the rate things are going in the world atm, Bezos might end up buying you guys in a min 🤣
@@DL-lv2rq Suffering with you mate. Come on you Saints!
Come on men who told you that city's and Chelsea are big clubs ,Chelsea will have the same charges and both will go back to championship football like they used to do b4 the money
The fact Buvey isn’t raging with denial shows he’s a bit worried as he knows it’s pretty likely they’ve been indulging in ‘creative accounting’
The thing is, it has been in plain sight this entire time. The suggestion that City legitimately generate more money then Real Madrid and Manchester United is laughable.
It’s financial doping, like Chelsea has financially doped. City’s fraud has stolen the legacy of Klopps Liverpool like Chelsea stole the legacy of Arsenal in the early 2000s.
or maybe (just like everyone else) he’s not got a clue about how city have structured their finances instead of claiming blind innocence or guilt
Oh no, Buvey is gonna have to find another club to support then....
Salford City
He will just go back to Man Utd like he supported before city became a rich club
@@Fortefortay Is that true???
@@SpicyDragoonhe’s said plenty of times he grew up watching city, I don’t know him personally so I don’t know but people like to pretend City didn’t have fans before money which is very dumb.
I seen him the other day he had an arsenal shirt on with the name casemiro on the back hahaha
I think you guys are right...there are people behind the scenes machinating ways to get the Super League made. Punishing big clubs will only further their cause and they know it. I think the governing body of Europe should lay down a CONTINENT wide rule of allowing only 10 non-academy/homegrown spots on the roster. Currently in the PL, it's 17. 10 is a drastic change, forcing the clubs to invest in the academy, but not so drastic that the big clubs can still bring in plenty of talent.
💯 this^^
Super League definitely looking to capitalise on this (and Juve) situation
City getting relegated makes me so happy just thinking about it, imagine how I’d feel if it really happened. Disclaimer: I don’t see them getting relegated with all the cash they bring in.
What cash do they bring in
Man City bring in less cash than a real football club. Kick them out.
we wont get relegated sorry to tell you😂
@@jamieplatt4283 Didn’t realise you were a lawyer Jamie
Nah... They have to go league one at least regardless of revenue they generate. And start the league season with a hefty points handicap. Maybe Newcastle can replace them in terms of revenue generation- until they mess up themselves.
Really good section, especially listening to Buveys thoughts. As a Liverpool fan i'd love to see City relegated but way beyond that the end of petrostates using these teams and financially doping competitions.
On the subject of doping and off the top of my head... Real Madrid in the 50s were Franco's team receiving lots of ill-gotten funding that way (hell, doesn't the 'Real' mean Royal?). Re Liverpool - and I consider myself a fan here - in the glory years of the 60s / 70s / 80s, were they not owned by the guy who ran Littlewoods' pools? A very rich man. Did every club have a sugar daddy with the same kind of financial clout? Maybe it's more extreme these days, but I strongly doubt a single 'historically successful' club got where it is today without a benefactor putting extra money in. Hell, if you really want fairness across the board, every club should have the same sized stadium, charging the fans the same ticket prices with TV shares split more fairly, also.
@@NeilMalthus Real Madrid are still funded by the state (search "Real Madrid forced to pay back illegal state aid"), as well as being helped financially by Spanish banks and the Spanish FA.
As for Liverpool. The Moore's family never pumped any of their own money into the club, which is the reason why David Moores sold the club, as he knew that the club simply couldn't compete financially with clubs such as Man Utd.
It's only know-nothing muppets and trolls that keep trying to make out that Liverpool's success was down to some kind of sugar daddy. During Liverpool's heyday Man Utd and the likes of Nottingham Forrest were spending more money on players, sometimes breaking the British transfer record.
Some good takes from Rory. Lets not make this a Man City thing, Money in general is ruining football, what Chelsea has done this window is really disgusting.
I agree but what Chelsea did is technically within the rules
@@noahpeterson4144 I know its within the rules but it does not sit right.
@@luminescence_visuals look at the finances of the premier league compared to the other major European leagues. The premier league is basically a super league now
@@andypandy4607 And that isn't how football was supposed to be. They have paralyzed the other leagues in the process as Rory mentioned (PSV).
I would hope that once Man City have been dealt with, Chelsea will be investigated for the whole Roman era.
If City get stripped of their previous titles, then both the Aguerooo moment and the Gerrard slip would be both invalidated. Klopp would have won 3 PL's in 4 seasons and Mourinho and Ole would've won a PL with United. It's highly unlikely that City's punishment would be that severe given how their UEFA ban worked out but it would a wet dream for Liverpool and United fans
The UEFA ban didn’t work out because they didn’t have legal grounds to punish city past a certain year. It was too far back. The premier league doesn’t have that issue. They can punish a team for wrongdoings from 1994 if they wanted to. This has nothing to do with the UEFA ban. Also, the UEFA ban allowed city the opportunity to lawyer up. In this instance, City aren’t allowed to. It’s an investigation into factual evidence. If that factual evidence is found to have been in breach of pre-set rules, then that’s it. City are guilty and they can’t negotiate or argue for a reduced punishment. The premier league will punish them how they see fit. And I see this being the most severe punishment possible. 10 years of crimes and 100 charges. That’s not light. That’s not minor. That is seriously severe rule breaches
@@kinnexion It's easy to just write 100 charges and when you go through the charges you discover over 30 is for not cooperating with the premier league... It might probably turn out like the Benjamin Mendy scenario
@@abrahamjames7004 not co-operating with an investigation by your regulatory body isnt exactly a minor offense.
@@nickchivers9029 It's a minor offense lmao, that's the actual reason they got fined by CAS
It would not be a “wet dream” at all, because you can’t go back in time 6 years and celebrate a retrospective technicality of a title unless you’re a little bit weird and a child
If you listen carefully you can almost hear the money being passed behind closed doors just so City escape justice again
If you look at the charges and the years it contains the year 2018 ; both the UCL and PL made an investigation the Same year . It's all about how they receive information. Uefa failed their case because their information was obtained through illegal means " hacking ". It's going to be hard to prove anything unless they have it in document
Lmao
Those envelopes getting heavier
facts
@@CollinY818 I heard a similar argument elsewhere that was rebutted with "if a car thief breaks into a car and finds a body and calls the police the murderer will still get arrested.
The reaction and face of Buvey when Man City get relegated, I will be there no matter what
Yea he needs knocking down a peg .
His face would be pure dread if that happened.
The FA are to weak to do that
I mean they did buy those titles and the funny part is that they tried to offend our intelligence by acting like they are a gigantic club and they make more revenue than United lol. They got away with this for far too long.
They've manipulated their finances through injecting money through their own companies like Etihad. Awful stuff
The insulting our intelligence was honestly the most egregious aspect of it. They had financial statements saying they made revenue on par with Real Madrid 😂
Liverpool arsenal and united are the real big clubs in england
Won a few leagues and they’re pulling in more money than a Real Madrid that just three peated the fucking champions league! 😂 DEFINITELY TOTALLY LEGIT 😂
Good debate here.
10 years of corruption needs to have a harsh punishment
@@BennyH11 found a city fan 🤣
Shuuuush
Really good convo. Agree with Rory a lot here. Love to hate on Buvy but honestly sucks for longtime City fans. And then Elliott popping in late to name all the titles made me lol
Imagine Haaland in the Championship.
Under Pep, the players still won’t pass to him when he’s open lol
He’ll score 10 against Wycombe and people will say he’s better than Mbappe
@@YeTism 🤣🤣🤣
He'll be gone, he won't kick a ball in it
* League 2
Rory plays both sides. He was celebrating Boehly spending all that money just a week ago. But now he doesn’t want clubs to spend big money? What’s happening to City has him shook 😂
he changes his opinions everyday always flip flopping
Rory said multiple times he doesn't like the money Chelsea has been spending and wasting... but Chelsea has global appeal and has had global appeal for decades, and they generate far more revenue, ACTUAL... REAL... REVENUE, than City. Nobody outside England gives a shit about City except Muslims in New York and the UAE. City hasn't even won the CL in all this time and still can't even sell out their stadium, yet their revenue is somehow SOOOOOOO high. Compared to teams like Madrid, Liverpool and Bayern who have actually won titles fairly in the last few years.
As a City fan I will take the punishment even if it is severe and I actually agree that there may have to be some seminal moment for the financial correction of football but all I ask is have the same energy for the other clubs. I find it very hard to believe that all these other billionaire owners are clean in their dealings.
Tbh when United gets brought that new ownership will be put through sooo many checks
Same energy for other clubs? City have been getting it on easy mode, mate. It's only the non-billionaire clubs who get the full extent of punishments.
@@MrHowardMoon you’re dense if you think the other big clubs are clean. Get a grip mate.
definitely, nobody becomes that rich without screwing someone over along the way.
@@11Pyze I never said the other clubs are clean. Read my comment again. I was referencing the fact City have got away with it for 10 years or more and you want to talk about "same energy" for the other clubs.
As a city fan .. I cant wait for a big tear up down millwall with tommy Hatcher 💪🏽
City wouldn't turn up at millwall..and if they did they certainly wouldn't get out at Surrey quays which they'd have to do for a tear up at the foresters and blue anchor pubs!🤨✊👹
@@mickfoskett6629
Mate it was a joke .. yano green street reference chill out 🤣🤣🤦🏽♂️
Wish this was an option in a Master League for PES*, you play a normal season and then just get an email were you get a court date and you watch the whole thing conspire and have to choose your answers and research all the paperwork to try to get away from being relegated or points deducted...common Konami!
That'd be mint
Konami itself is probably doing some dodgy shit. So they dont want their games to be too realistic😂
🤣😂🤣
And getting an email from the league saying you have to start the season with -20 points
I just wish there was still a master league in pes😔
As a Manchester United fan its actually fantastic to sit back and watch a Chelsea and a Manchester city fan sit down and discuss the FFP in the premier league. Two clubs who simply wouldn't be relevant without Oil money.
how many Prem Clubs are owned by billionaire and multi millionaires? whole Prem is sketchy
So just Liverpool and United who make own money then
Manchester United have had oil money with saudi telecom for years
interesting....hope u keep that same energy once the qatari's purchase ur good selves next month
I think its important to let things play out but at the same time some of the reports City have previously put out in terms of revenue have been concerning. Specifically this past year when they claimed to be the most profitable club in the world ahead of Barcelona & Real Madrid.
As a city fan its definitely money laundering and a lack of discreetneess. But I don’t think he club, fans or players should be punished, would say a hefty fine and compensation would be pretty fair and a criminal investigation into soriano who does city’s business dealings.
@@JSmirkingRevenge agree
@@JSmirkingRevenge No no. Relegation and a fine. Allegations going back as far as 2009 and you just want a slap on the wrist?
@@JSmirkingRevenge you want a fucking slap on the wrist for allegations going back as far as 2009? Get fucked, kid. You city fans are just as bad as Liverpool fans in your delusions. Accept that your team did wrong and that punishment should be severe. Juventus were punished. They took it and pushed forward
@@JSmirkingRevenge Can’t have it that way, the club, fans and players took the benefits now you have to face the consequences.
Looking forward to seeing Buvey supporting Newcastle next season.
Finally Buvey gets what's coming to him
The plastic cIown will just go support newcastle
@@sickick72 was he not always a city fan and if so how do you know
@@sickick72 it seems like your entire life has been dedicated to hating city fans.....what a sad pathetic life
@@m.fuzailbandarkar7023 cry more c*nt
@@sickick72 sounds like you are the one that's crying you fool
People should be careful of banning Man City, you don't want premier league to look like Italian Serie A with their bans, it took that league back as a whole, I suggest they should get some penalties like hefty fines , points deduction but not too much .Not total ban or relegation, Premier league as a package is even watched more than champions league around the world.
when rory mentions thaksin shinawatra, i just got flashbacks of elano, jo et al man what an era!!🤩
Benjani
Don't you forget Petrov kid, what a player.
Stephen Ireland 🤣
Jo was a new owner signing though
Back in 1999 when Man Utd won the UCL one of the greats of football, forgive me I can’t exactly remember who. Cruyff, Puskas, Eusebio, someone in that league said “it’s the first time a business has won the European Cup, sadly I see others trying to copy the model”. It stuck with me, I get it. The days of “football clubs” were numbered.
Two fans of two Tinpot clubs. Oil Money Heritage ❤️
Who hurt you? - a concerned Chelsea fan
Todd boehly is american
Chelsea have won European titles before the Roman era at least.
@@MaxPower162 your clubs racist pal x
@@YeTism they als have the pedophillia fc trophy what with the 15 years of abusing young boys also the racist fc trophy for starting neo nazi faction combat18 on the terraces nice club 🫡 relegated like palace
As a Birmingham fan who had his team get a points deduction for no where near this, they need a huge point deduction/relegation
I mean the same thing happened to juventus in 2006, no club no matter how big or small should be able to get away with cheating
@@zunfix1194 definitely
Exactly. The punishment must be severe. Relegation at least.
Massive fine of a 100-500m and for a few seasons 20-40 points deducted.
Relegation to the conference and a fine of £1bn
Any sort of fine is pointless, strip them of there titles and relegation to the conference, now that would be punishment.
100-150m is spare change for them....needs to be way more than that
£10bn fine. lol
Cut the crap! We all know they’re guilty! How can a club that has a much much smaller fan base than Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Liverpool and so on. Be earning more than all those clubs! Having only ever been to 1 champions league final as well. Makes no sense whatsoever
A Chelsea and City fan talking about FFP…the irony.
Enjoyed this chat, shame theres so much money in the game regardless of club allegiances
If they don’t get relegated then I give up
Buvey was remarkably mature and normal in this video. None of the brashness or trolling or purposeful ignorance. This Buvey is good to listen to.
Should be a large fine (100m+) and points deduction and the money should be pumped into the lower leagues to re build the English footballing pyramid as a whole
need to be 10bn+ and even 10bn is like £10 to this owner
Buvey sits on this high horse as a Man City fan and what they’ve achieved in only the last 10 years, looking down at every other club. Glad this is happening. Manchester will NEVER be blue
Haaland to Real? De Bruyne to Bayern? Foden to the Championship. Grealish to Newcastle? Stones to Chelsea? Walker to Nottingham Forest. Dias to PSG? Rodri to Barca?
Fair play to Buvey, love how he handled this
This is the most well nuanced, unbiased view of the current situation, and the the game as a whole, I’ve seen at this time! Well done boys 👌🏽
Just weeks ago after the Manchester derby Buvey was calling United the biggest cheat in the world.. After a 50/50 goal was awarded by VAR ...
Now his club is hit with more than 100 charges of financial doping, cheating 😂😂😂😂😂 i love this game...
Don't look back in anger
Arsenal respect for respecting the transfer winder 📈
Imagine if they are deducted points for how they obtained Jesus and zinchenco
@@nostalgicpromotions7209
How and why?
I'd imagine if they were not disclosing and being dodgy then the teams they were buying and selling to and from would have to be involved 🤔 or they'd have been caught ages ago
Just what we need. A debate between a Chelsea fan and a Man City fan on the financial doping in football.
I guess they'd know better than others.
I 100% agree, taking their titles away does not take away the memories they had. You can still do it so people don't forget they cheated to win them. But I think you have to hurt their future more than their past. I'm not sure I like the idea of relegation; you can't look past all the good they have done with that area and with the club itself. I guess we need to sort out what exactly these 100 crimes are.
what they done to the area?....by cheating your missing the whole point
@@thatguy1599 he's talking about the area in east Manchester
It ranges from players and managers getting paid extra on their contracts to not following the grass trimming rules 😂 they've breached 15 rules every season for 10 years
@@m.browne2548 it doesnt matter its like the cartel (its an analogy) they get rich off of crime then turn around and say we better the area we live in cause we build new hotels an assign jobs.....cheating is cheating so the benefits of their cheating doesn't hold as much merit.simple.if u cant get that then forget it
When the premier league was formed , a wise old man who drank in my local said " that's the end of our game lads , they are now selling the soul of football to the highest bidder " . He was right & every move has been a corporate one , money money money . The soul of football died a long time ago .
Summary of the discussion, Rory is very happy inside and Buvey is screaming why us and not Chelsea in his mind!!
Spot on. Also rory prays they dont look into chelseas dealings for the last year 😁
@@ermencg1630 chelsea's commercial revenue is way more than city's because they actually have big global fanbase.. man utd and liverpool can easily do what chelsea are doing with amortization but their owners choose not to spend money..
The most simple solution is to have a cost cap per division. That way it doesn't matter who your owners are or how much money you have, the limit on spending is the same for everyone.
Those who remember football prior to City and Chelsea remember how passionate the game was. Players actually cared
Ah yes back when football was still about money and had a monopoly and no real competition at the top
United V Arsenal was an absolute belter of a rivalry too
@@tombardsley3081 learn about the meaning of monopoly u pleb. the clubs that were running football earned their way up. not bought out by rich people to make their human right violations less vile
@@MrVish6666 money spending is money spending regardless of the source. An owner wrote a cheque and they spent to get to and stay at the top. Pre Chelsea and man city, this was man united doing exactly this when the premier league began all the way up into the 2000s. Blackburn as well for their league title and then also what Leeds and Newcastle were doing to lesser extents to try and compete with the monopoly that was man united who were breaking all the transfer records
@@tombardsley3081 Rubbish. United went back and fort for many years with Arsenal and did it sustainably. You probably started watching football in 2008.
I agree 1000% with Rory, anything other than a huge transfer ban and OR relegation will have no impact. United and Liverpool fans really have been robbed of titles, particularly Liverpool who would have had 3 of the most insane years recorded including a treble last season, and the European double as well a couple years prior. Cheats need to be punished in the most extreme possible way
What do you think about a total salary cap for a team? Like they do in the NBA
If found guilty, strip them of the titles, but don’t give it to 2nd place, it would be pointless as it didn’t actually happen. Makes a mockery out of city for cheating, but keeps the clubs that finished 2nd’s dignity in tact. Being awarded a title with an asterix isn’t the same, and get rid of city from the league.
It would be great seeing Haaland scoring goals in the championship.
Same level as bundesliga tbh lol
The solution is having a salary cap like the NBA and NFL. Clubs should only be able to pay a certain amount in a tiered system to players. Problem solved. No need for a Super League
Gerrard would have a Premier league medal
Yeah. It’s not worth it. Leave Man City alone
@@fromthestretfordend7110 😂😂
@@fromthestretfordend7110 It is worth it. Then Gerrard wouldn't get so disrespected. Most disrespected legend in history
Although the amounts of money being thrown around is ridiculous I think the buying and selling of players for ridiculous amounts is the best way to spread the money going into the biggest league clubs around the world to smaller league clubs. Personally I think this kind of trickle down of money from the top clubs is really important for the development of the clubs around the world.
This will be a catalyst for a European super league. Watch.
Fans won’t let it happen
How so?
@@wallywild5088 the european leagues are becoming unstable. la liga, serie a, now the premier league.
These absolute jokers, both have been giving it large and crowing about their teams successes, ignoring the damage their clubs have done.
Suddenly, “money has ruined football”.
This has been coming for a long time, I was not surprised when they almost got banned from European competitions a couple of years ago.
I personally think there should be a massive fine and relegation for sure. Retrospectively they have cheated potential title winners and affected clubs getting into Europe.
That being said I think they’ll get away with this like they did with UEFA probably a 3 to 15 point deduction with a £50 mill fine which will not affect them at all.
Just out of interest what team do you support?
@@josefwhitlam3560 man utd I think
They only escaped the UEFA ban because it was past the jurisdiction of CAS to be able to do anything in terms of the date. They only have a set number of years they can go back and punish a team for. The premier league is different. They can punish a team all the way back to the start of the league
@@kinnexion money finds a way
@@josefwhitlam3560 don’t know how it’s relevant but United
Like Rory said, there's no point stripping City of their titles - competitors and fans don't want to be handed trophies, they want to earn them and enjoy the moment.
In sports such as Athletics, if a medalist is found to have cheated, the medals are reassigned as if that person never competed, even if their cheating is discovered many years after the event.
They need to stripped off the prem titles . The second placed teams in those seasons are ( 18/19 , 21/22 , 13/14 ) Liverpool and ( 20/21 , 17/18 , 11/12 ) Man utd . Also fine them and relegate them and ban them from Europe . I am tired about hearing the world class players that they constantly buy and how great of a manager is Pep . Let's see them be successful in the championship .
As a football fan from Australia, I think that the title stripped would work differently. In rugby league, when Melbourne where found to have cheated, the titles from the time period where stripped, but the other team weren't declared the winner, just that they didn't have a winner that season.
@mattgee1118 you mean Parramatta?
@mattgee1118on what basis? What if the team Melbourne beat in the prelim would’ve beaten Parra and Bulldogs?
Rory will be having the same conversation in a year or 2 I feel🤣🤣🤡
Facts. Love that Buvey's first thought was to try throw Chelsea under the bus too 😂😂
'why punish the Chelsea fans'
The PL claim the deal with Wolves for Steve Daley in 79 needs looking at as it was fucking well bent.
This made me laugh 😂
Chelsea and City. Foundations built on quick sand. Reaping what they’ve sowed
Chelsea haven't broken any FFP rules, get your facts right.
Started this circus years ago had an entire empire built on corrupt blood money. Haven’t broken any rules? Give your head a wobble
@@tf1943 was it Chelsea who got banned from signing players several years ago
@@andypandy4607 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@tf1943 its not about corupt blood money. every country has killed and pillaged places. uk included. its about following the rules set by the premier league. thats where it all falls down for city. i could care less about what their or newcastle owners did.
I can’t see Emily Atack being as eager to bonk Grealish when he’s playing for less money in League Two.
its gonna be a long time
also why is it all of a sudden nearly every club is dealing with finance issues or spending a ton
I mean a 4 year investigation isn’t really all of a sudden is it
@@allip2modsaresimpingdiscor284 well it wasmore along the lines of this whole court and proceedings will take a few months
@@FEDEXLuchs so 6 words was meant to mean more then your 2 lined sentence? Rightttt
@@allip2modsaresimpingdiscor284 cope i guess.. this isnt a research paper its fucking youtube lmao
@@FEDEXLuchs really? Daym I had to sit and question myself, didn’t really prove my point wrong though did you🤡🤡🤡🤡
crazy how Barcelona despite facing bankruptcy still has more pull than these clubs in the premier league and PSG ran by billionaire owners and countries with unlimited funds and spending, biggest club in the world
Elliot and Buvey to do Stoke and City watchalong next season? 🔥
I think the Prem needs to implement a wage cap. Would limit the amount of superstars each club could have and make youth products who bleed their clubs colors more valuable
Thoughts and prayers to those working in the Newcastle and Chelsea club shop. Must have been a busy day.
MUFC - 23 TIMES CHAMPIONS
As much as I’d be delighted for them to be relegated, I don’t see city getting relegated given the amount of money they bring into the prem. along with the competitiveness they bring as a great team.
Newcastle are the new Man City, and they are a bigger club. They won’t really be missed.
@@YeTism Newcastle are not a big club.
@@GHermano41 still bigger than City
Do you think an independent panel will care about a team in a league that they aren’t involved in
They won’t lose that much money from Man City, they have no fans. They bring in as much money as teams like West Ham tbh
It’s a weird one, on the one hand they could be cleared of all accusations and stay as they are, but if found guilty it has to be relegation and maybe titles stripped but then how would that affect the teams who were relegated or missed out on top four etc. the only thing everyone can agree on is that city’s revenue is definitely nowhere near the uniteds and madrids of the world nevermind earning more than said clubs
Lets be honest its not just City that are doing those 100+ breaches is crazy, that just proves that FA cant keep up anymore. Lets make the rules more strict and more easy to be proven and enforced (but not made on size of the club), like for example salary cap (1mil pounds a week) and transfers cap (100 mil per windows).
Absolutely. FFP is too wishy washy and selectively applied. Clubs outside of the premier league get hit harder than what premier league clubs have been when they've breached the rules, including teams that got promoted to the premier league in the first place.
If you think about most other sports if a player was found to be cheating,doping etc they would be stripped of titles,i think if City were found to have purchased players or just generally strenghtened the club outside of the rules any titles or cups won in that time must be stripped and given to the club that came second,its harsh but just look at the clubs that have been chasing City in the last 10 years,its harsh for them having to deal with wealth like Cities especially if they are getting extra unfair advantages.
The same reallocation of the prizes occurs in sports such as athletics if a medalist is found to have been cheating.
Careful Rory, it’s pretty obvious Chelsea are cooking the books right now
Man City if found guilty need to have the book thrown at them; the punishment needs to be fitting and one that can be applied to any club that commits these apparent financial crimes. Chelsea are the club they are today thanks to Russian money laundering and many of their fans proud of it. English football has been tainted for a long time, its rotten.
i think stripping the titles / achievements would be the wrong outcome, i cant imagine any teams genuinely accepting the awards after the fact as if they actually won whatever competition it was, agree with Rory i think if allegations proven true it probably has to be relegation, fine and point deduct aren't even a slap on the wrist.
i also think it would be horrible if it were to mean moments like the aguero goal were insignificant and rendered void. such an iconic moment for it to be overwritten in history because they were lying about their balance. they need to be punished off the pitch before memories of on the pitch are tarnished.
@@nath8961 I've always said this. Can't change the past. The players and coaches win these trophies. You can definitely punish clubs for the future though. They can keep their titles. They've never won the champions league though and now they can be set back years.
But if City hadn’t have cheated, then they wouldn’t have been there to win those trophies and titles. Simple
Yea no doubt they gonna dismiss the aguero moment
@@kinnexion i disagree tho the players won the league on the pitch, its not like weve found out the refs were paid or anything. Thats a punishment for the fans and not for the crooks at the top
If all of these charges stick and they were paying staff/players via third party companies to avoid FFP, I don’t see how those titles can remain in their possession.
Also this has the potential to really impact the Premier Leagues standing and reputation in the world, so will be fascinating to see how it’s handled.
As a Liverpool fan. I am glad this is happening to city. It is heartbreaking to see your team finish a point behind a team that everyone knew was spending mass amounts of money when you are doing everything by the book. Those 3 years we finished a point behind, there was that feeling that you had been robbed by a team that can just out spend you.
You’d get one title, 13/14
@@ReLoadXxXxX he's talking in general terms. Hey even spurs may get a trophy 😂
Unfortunately the moment has gone...I'm a reds fan getting titles this way will feel flat isnt how I want to gain the trophy...
It's sad this was so obvious one that hurts me was last season citys bench was strong very strong villa had no chance...but what's gone is gone football moving forward is what matters for me just feel bad for klopp tbh he deserved at least one more...but that's life let's just hope this doesnt drag on for football and city fans I feel bad for them I dont have the hatred their fans will feel so let down.....
It's not even the money spent. It's breaking random rules to keep a competitive edge.
@@LTC366 more I think about it mate more irritated I get..lol
Maybe we should hope they are innocent otherwise going to be a cloud over klopps time eternal what ifs....
Rory, you can't compare Liverpool getting gakpo for 40m to what city have done for last 14 years
You have to take the rough with the smooth. Deceit and cheating got City years of titles. you can afford - if guilty - relegation. And what a message it would send. The PL is a huge international product, and part of that is betting in Asia. If they do not trust the sport/product, the PL could fall from its perch. We should take nothing for granted
Asian Sports Betting has almost no bearing on the Premier League's standing as a league mate, what are you on about
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@@jamesomara3361 £, fella, £. Why do you think the PL sells globally ahead of Spain/Italy? 100s millions of Asian bet on the football they trust. And that is the PL, not Serie/Liga. And THAT is what gives PL the £ clout to become the best league.
Kill that egg, and you're goosed
@Mango 4ttwo lmao. Asian betting is such an insignificant piece of the premier league puzzle. They have figured out how to sell story, a compelling narrative, all through the lens of the most competitive and accessible league in the world. The prem makes all that money because it's the most watched.
Asian sports betting, how would the league even generate a significant amount of money from that? You are out of your mind lmao
@@jamesomara3361 Asian betting, insignificant??
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As a liverpool fan i feel cheated. I know weve been cheated out of our titles, we did the impossible and got nothing for it. Even if they go back and give us our titles it wont matter theyve taken far more than that
Facts. Imagine all the parades LFC deserved but didn’t get because of 1 corrupted point. It sucks
As a Utd fan I feel for you mate seriously all the work you did and was beaten by Cheaters
Yeah I feel you. Liverpool should have won every league title ever. But there is always a conspiracy against Liverpool so that other teams can win it.
Rory, you can’t be found “innocent.” It’s “guilty” or “not guilty”
Court of law doesn’t try to prove innocence. If they’re found not guilty it doesn’t mean they didn’t do it.
As a Brighton fan Rory argumentation around the PSV wholesale in the winter window resonates quite strongly with me. I have been waiting for this bubble to burst a long long time.
PSV is maybe not the best example. Because the reason their best players were for sale was financial mismanagement. They needed to sell. They even fired their director because he refused to sell Gakpo this summer. But the point still stands that Premier League money is crazy. Players are moving from Champions League clubs to clubs fighting against relegation.
Both Rory and Buvey wouldn’t have a platform had it not been for corrupt foreign investment. City and Chelsea were no more than mid table clubs prior to investment.