Losing a little mpg is much better than having a crash or worse in bad weather. Summer tyres in mid to bad winters are totally dangerous taking you nowhere except the kerb or the cliff edge.
Just came home from work in a Cleveland Ohio blizzard with the cross climate 2’s. I probably shouldn’t admit it, but I had way too much fun driving in that 🤣 I recommend these guys to everyone I know. The noise isn’t bad at all. They cut through all weather like a knife. The only issue I ever had was attempting to drive though snow that was higher than my suspension. That’s the only time I ever got stuck. 5/5 for *true* all season tires
HEY MAN!!!!! YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THE DISCLAIMER!!! LOL I have dropped the comment a few times about my 2-week disclaimer!!! For me, the first two weeks were the most dangerous driving of my life because of the UnDue Confidence these tires inspire in the driver. I had WAYYYY too much fun driving through a tropical storm when I got them . I was basically waiting or it to rain so I could go out and hunt mud puddles. The danger that I put myself in (also probably shouldn't admit) was not that smart at all. I also did the same with that blizzard that came though North Carolina two weekends ago. lol. Drove down a few closed roads.
@@jakeofreshly YUP! lol I actually found this video after about 7 months of having these tires already. My favorite condition to drive in would be on absolute monsoon downpour rain. I remember driving on the freeway just to get somewhere one evening and it dumped rain on us so bad, that people were stopped on the side of the road with hazards on. My AWD with the CC2's were so good in it, I was able to continue at 60mph with perfect grip, no hydro planing and no problem whatsoever. Ive never cared about tires I my life before these, but since getting them its almost turned me into a nerd. My wife's car now has them, and two people at my work already have em because of my recommendation. So good. My only beef is like what you said, the MPG goes down, but only slightly. I too had a consistent 28-29MPG on my Honda CRV, but its now down to 25.5-26.5mpg. But a small price to pay for tires that absolutely bite the living snot out of the road.
@@3rundisciple dude this is so weird. I don’t even know if I should respond because it sounds like you’re my twin except you got the tires first. I literally do the exact same thing you do on everything you just talked about lol literally everything I have been in downpours and tropical storms and And I have been going over the speed limit in the bass lane while people ar either driving 30 with their hazard lights on or stopped on the side of the road with her hazard lights on lol and I’ve been going So fast I could not barely see through my windshield lol So I know exactly what you’re talking about lol Also, I never here for tires before in my whole life! I got tired retirement. The thought of there being actual technology or actual engineering behind a black rubber circle never occurred to me. Much less the thought of looking up and promoting the design lol I actually bought these on accident. I walked in and I wanted to get a set of Michelin’s because both of my parents are in love with them. But these were the only ones they had that would fit my 19 inch rims on my CX five lol so he was action accent I got these. Never was a tire guy
@@3rundisciple I haven’t talked anybody into him that I know personally. But it seems like a couple people have watched my videos and been convinced. But I’m not making any money off of it. Just an honest review lol And I had the EXACT Same Fuel efficiency losses. However, I’m a huge stickler for fuel efficientcy Short of keeping an excel spreadsheet, I track it all different ways. MPG is my baby. So that one hurt a little bit. But I got over it pretty quickly
I have 42000 miles on mine, I live in Kansas so the weather is very unpredictable. They have performed very well in the snow, the rain and pretty good on the ice. A little more than I like to pay for tires but I will definitely be getting a second round, I say two big thumbs up !
I just had them installed on my wife’s RX350 2019 LexusI find them grippier in rolling resistance which CR identified as such. This is a High Performance All Weather Tire, more grip, more resistance in rolling,I’ll sacrifice miles for traction, I love them and My wife and I feel that they are less noisy than the OEM Bridgestones, the Lexus used to make me feel that the car was riding off the asphalt like in the air with the Michelins Cross Climate 2, it feels like it has claws and makes us feel the car is glued to the road So far we love them ❤
2020 Ford Escape AWD owner here. I bought these tires for rain and snow reasons. This past storm we got here in Northern Virginia showed I made a great decision. These things gripped in the slick compacted snow. If it wasn't for height clearance issues, I could have driven out my neighborhood before the plows came. And in rainy days, I have great traction. My girlfriend drove my car in a rainstorm and could immediately tell. I have one extra negative to give about these tires one top of your five: they eat rocks!!! lol I can not begin to tell you all the times I've driven home from work to see little rocks wedged in the tread. The amount of rocks I saw these past few months worried me that these won't cross the 60,000 mark. I've only had them for 10,000 miles since I about them in the fall. We shall see how they progress. With that said, I will be buying another set of these tires (or whatever iteration exists at the time) when it's time to replace them. I really paid for what I got.
Yeah that definitely seems to be the general consensus; they are definitely wife approved. I was talking to someone and he was telling me how his wife drove through a rainstorm and called him once she got to work to tell him how phenomenal the towers were... This tire sold themselves 10 times over with that one phone call lol. You know that's funny, because I can totally agree with you. I just never thought about it as being a detrimental aspect or anything like that. So basically, you don't like how rocks get stuck in the treads of the tires. What do you think the negative aspect of that would be? Are you worried about them slinging rocks on your paint and chipping your paint?
In the long run tho with these having more traction in less than ideal situations such as rain and snow I would take the couple miles per gallon over wrecking the car off a guardrail rear ending someone cuz I couldn't stop or worse. That's your contact to the road and they seem to be pretty rad tires as far as control and grip especially in low traction situations. And they keep that the life of the tire which is quite rare usually you lose the 3 peak rating and such relatively quickly as the tread wears.
So this is actually funny, but I just did a video on the durability of these tires. And I've been driving them for 16,000 mi. And I really got close to them and zoomed up on the tire so you can see how they look the exact same and even the micro tread inside of the treadlines is still there. You should check it out if you get a chance. And everything you say makes sense. It just sometimes it really stings, you know, when you're driving a 300 mile trip and you get 22.5 miles per gallon rather than 24. I know it's not a big deal and it's literally pennies. For me, it ends up being about $2.25 per tank difference. Which is absolutely nothing to pay. It just stings a lot you know... And bro. If I could fully describe how great these tires are and low traction conditions, you would run out and get a pair right now. They're freaking amazing in the rain
@@jakeofreshly I got mine in February 2019 and I made 22'686 Miles with those tires. They still look like brand-new tires. I live in Vancouver west coast of Canada and we have lots of rain. Those are the best tires for extremely wet roads and occasional snow. I was actually looking for legendary Michelin Hydro Edge tires but they don't make them anymore. The Cross Climate is the best substitute for HydroEdge.
I agree. I’m in Minnesota and it can go from perfectly normal driving conditions to a skating rink within minutes so I don’t mind spending premium money on tires. My vehicle has terrible gas mileage anyway but the security I feel in winter driving conditions is worth every penny.
I love this review. I just put Crossclimate2's on my CX5. My first road trip was from Ontario, Canada to Connecticut and back. We hit a heavy rainstorm on the NY Thruway, and I was impressed. There was zero hydroplaning. None. It felt like the road was dry. They just cut through the water. I haven't tried them on snow yet, but I can't wait. I had Nokian WRG3's on before, and they were great, but the Crossclimate2's just seem to roll a little quieter and smoother. Gas mileage seems to be about the same.
Hahah glad to hear! They are fun the first little while when you get them. But I had to be careful not to “test them”. But thank you. I tried to do this review like a friend giving you an honest opinion. Hope that came through in the video! Thanks for commenting! Yo rock!
@@andreilesiuk9538 I will let you know in a few weeks. It is just starting to get cold here, so I haven't tried the Crossclimate2's in the snow yet. I was really happy with my Nokians for the first 3 winters. I do notice a slight difference in gas mileage so far Nokian 7.5/100km vs Michelin about 8.4/100km
Funnily enough putting cross climate 2 on my Ford Edge increased the mpg in comparison to the previous tire. Bought the car with 5 miles on the odometer with Hankook Ventus Noble stock. Averaged 25ish mpg but treadlife was abysmal. Replaced that with Scorpion STR. Tread life was about 10000 miles more but mpg tanked sometime barely breaking 23 mpg. Hoping I get good wear out of the cross climate as I’m digging the extra mpg. Even got a free 4 wheel alignment at the dealership to help make these last as long as possible. I’m loving these tires.
Good video. I've got about 15k on mine. I'd agree they're not perfect, but I'm happy with them. I've had the same experience with fuel mileage. I'd characterize the road noise as not so much louder but it is different. They are a little more expensive, but up here in MN, it's worth it IMO.
Yeah, I found a few problems with them. And I definitely would say they're not perfect. But for the concerns that I have on vehicles, they fit me perfectly. It's a little strange, because I'm in Alabama and it does not snow here. So it's a little strange having three peak snow rated tires. But they're surprisingly fantastic in the rain, which I have tested a lot more than the snow. So they are fantastic. The little things like road noise and firmness and softness at high speeds and fuel efficiency really don't matter to me. Because when I'm driving 400 miles from my mom's house back home, the only thing I'm worried about is getting there safely. I think I got stiffed on the price though. I paid 1300 bucks or more to get them purchased and put on the vehicle. It seems like a lot of other people had them for a lot cheaper. Also, I have tested them in Mount Rainier and lake Tahoe and North Carolina during the blizzard this year. And they worked fantastic. Better than chains
V shaped a L season and winter tyres are noisier on smooth asphalt but much quieter on rough road surfaces like concrete or old asphalt or mountains regions asphalt. Keep them at correct pressure is also important for longevity and low noise levels. 👍
I've been using CrossClimate tyres for 5 years now and have just put them on my new car, replacing some EcoContact 6 tyres. Yes the CrossClimate tyres are a slightly harder and noisier ride than the EcoContacts which were very comfortable, and I've probably lost a very minimum of mpg ... but all worth it for the safety these tyres bring. I can actually get off my sloping driveway in snow and ice, and have made it through when cars on summer tyres are all over the place. I got 40,000 miles out of my last set of Michelins on my previous car. I love them. Worth the money.
Best tires hands down in my 50 years of driving , they grip like a snow tire but ride like summer tires , I have a 2018 Lincoln MKZh hybrid and have not noticed any mpg loss . You will feel super safe with these tires .
You know so far so good. I've actually put about another 2,000 mi on since this video so I'm running them through. And it's actually kind of stark the difference as compared to a regular pair of michelins. My dad has a typical set of michelins on his F-150 truck. And they don't have any more than 15,000 mi. But the entire grid pattern is more flat and all you can see is the main trenches in the cut. I sure wish she had the full depth tread pattern that are on these tires lol They are unchanged all the way down to 3/32 of an inch if I'm not mistaken.
I too own a CX-5 (2018 Grand Touring) and installed these tires on my car. I've noticed the decrease in MPGs, but I also live in Belgium and the additional road noise. We don't get so much snow, but we do travel places with snow. The wet and dry traction is noticeably better than the original Toyos. They feel quite a bit more firm on edge. They're have a bit smoother ride quality. They mute out smaller road imperfections considerably better. What you're paying for with this tire is an all-season that performs better than practically every other all-season on the market in snow and better than many winter tire options out there....which give considerably worse MPGs. It's about tradeoffs! I really feel this is one of the safest all-seasons on the market in all weather conditions.
As for rotating the tires, The CrossClimate 2's are directional tires. So to properly rotate the tires as you wanted (Crossing front/rear) you would need to fully dismount the tire and move to the wheel you want so the tread is facing the correct way. Most tires are not like this. That Mazda dealership telling you that they just do that for all tires/vehicles just show that they are lazy. How you rotate the tires depends on the type of car (RWD, AWD, 4WD, FWD, and suspension type) as well as taking the condition of the tires into consideration (Wear patterns and tread depth). If their technicians can't determine how to properly rotate the tires (which is a pretty basic task in the automotive industry) based on those factors I wouldn't let them touch your car...
I wouldnt rotate tyres as such. Front tyres take more wear than rears, so swap front right to rear right and front left to rear left for 'rotating' These tyres are great. Been using them since the original crossclimates came out. I was out in the heavy snow just yesterday with my mazda 6 and drove past many cars that were just abandoned at the side of the road when they got stuck. When these wear out or I change my car, I'll be using crossclimates again!
@@yufoh7753, Some rear wheel drive Mazda Miata owner is probably going to disagree with your assessment. The rears on a well balanced and maintained Miata probably don't have more tire wear on the fronts than it does on the rears.
I love my Michelins. In the summer they ran incredibly well, and in wet weather they're heavenly. I couldn't believe the traction I had. I am still waiting for snow but gosh... I love these. The small fuel hit is worth it for the immense traction I'm getting. Great video man! I drive the freeway everyday so it was a no brainer getting these
I know it's funny how when I posted these problems, I didn't know if anybody would relate to them. I just wanted to give everybody a heads up. But it seems like the fuel efficiency has been a consistent negative aspect of these tires across multiple people. But I haven't found one person who doesn't brag about the traction. I personally think it should be a legal mandate that all tires should be like this. I wonder how many lives you can save
@@jakeofreshly the issue comes down to pricing. I'm sure whatever their rubber compound is they're using is more premium than the cheaper tires on the market. I think cars need sensors on them to say when tires need to be changed though. I see too many people driving with basically no tread. And of course they end up in a ditch somewhere unfortunately. It may also help to teach clueless people about basic car necessities
@@SpencersStuffTV yeah, but like you said the traction is just so unreal and so different from anything I've driven. It's really wild. Now also, I'm from Alabama. And it feels like everybody in Alabama is an idiot when they drive. They're pretty safe, among the safest, when they were driving a normal conditions. But if one drop of rain falls or if the temperature gets cold or if there's frost on the grass or if there is road work, these guys wreck up and crash. So I'm coming from a pretty bad pool in the first place lol.
@@SpencersStuffTV but yeah, I do tend to think of these like an iPhone and everything else is just an Android. I mean it's definitely top dollar premium technology. And when I first got tires like this, I didn't even know tires had technology lol
@@jakeofreshly I follow racing so I knew tires had alot of depth to them in terms of quality haha. I understand what you're saying, but comparing a phone to a tire is very different. I don't think alot of people could afford these tires
I got really lucky with mine too. I'm sure you've heard about it, but it's been pretty much blizzard conditions in the southeast. And we're not used to it. I'm the only one who knows how to drive on it, and these have been fantastic
Thanks for your review. The key points being that increased/decreased mileage is relative to the previously installed tires all other things being equal along with the ensuring a consistent blend of gasoline (summer vs. winter) which was mentioned in another post. I just installed CC2's on my Hyundai Elantra and love them so far. I don't have your "real world" measurements on mileage, but I perceive a small 1 to 2 MPG drop-off relative to the Michelin Premier A/S 2's they replaced -- partly attributable to their being new and a bit heavier perhaps. I'm on the fence as to whether to replace the Continental PureContact LS's on my wife's Subaru with CC2's. We've had good luck with the Conti's. In TireRack's objective measurements, they go toe-to-toe with the CC2's even though they lack the 3-Peak Mountain snowflake rating but they score lower in "Real World" rating categories. From what I've read the CC2's would have to be better in the snow. But we live along the shoreline where snow has been less of concern and we try to avoid driving in it too. So wet weather braking and handling are more important almost on par with the CC2's and the MPG hit over the 4 to 5 years will likely add up to half the cost of new tires. The Conti's are ECO friendly and about $25 each less right now before rebates. There are rebates available on both tires right now ($150 on the CC2's at Costco and $70 Visa rebate on the Purecontacts) which doesn't make the decision any easier really.
3:35 I would remind you, these tires have a directional tread pattern. I haven't used the cross climate tires, but I drove HydroEdge Michelins on my '98 Frontier, and each set had more than legal tread left at 100K to 110K miles, two sets and 8/32 with 60K on the third when I donated the truck to a charity. Regular rotations every 7500 miles with the oil changes front to back, back to front. Those tires also had directional tread, with better traction in all conditions than any tires I have used regardless of brand. I currently have the LTX on my 2013 Frontier, non-directional, and rotate cross back-to-front, fronts go straight back, and no problems with tire life or traction. As for the price, Michelin is considered an upmarket brand, but when I consider the ride, grip, and how long they last, they are a bargain.
Surprisingly, nobody switches them across regardless of directionality anymore. The shops around my house haven’t done it for 20 years, no matter what tire for liability sake
Glad to see a review once tires are run a bit. Please repeat at 25 and 40k. Criticisms are normal tradeoffs for performance, no? Clearly, they are worth the premium price - especially if they wear well. Now, Michelin needs to include the sizes for the BMW i4 EV series and other EVs. At least they're XL rated.
Hey brother. I'm actually really happy to hear you say that. Thank you for watching my videos and commenting. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. And you know it man. I've got about 18,000 mi on them now. But I'm definitely going to do another review. Thanks for giving me the mileage, I'll go ahead and remember to do one at 25 and 40 then lol To answer your question, criticisms are worth it 100%. I've been trying to find a reason to hate these tires for the past 3 months, and this is the best I have. Little tiny minuscule complaints
th-cam.com/video/etVLIQudZMc/w-d-xo.html I actually just did a video in the link above for the tires at 16,000. I have some pretty good visual references and camera angles of what the tires look like right now. So maybe that will be a little bit of help
I have owned Michelin tires now since my car was new. (Its a 1996 Mercury Grand Marquis.) I had a set of Defenders on it I got 92,000 miles out of. I paid $759.00 and I didn't think that was too bad at all. (Yeah, I know; the tires are worth more than the car!) The main reason I would consider these tires is a person wouldn't need to change these out in winter. I know several people that have these tires and they all say the same thing; they are the best they've ever had. I would think with that "aggressive" tread pattern they would be quite noisy. I don't know much about a Mazda CX-5's sound deadening properties, however I couldn't hear anything but your voice as you drove during this video. Great video!
Geez man you are lying lol Your tires do cost a little more than the car by now. But that just goes to show how good you take care of things. And I also know what you mean because I've had a set of tires last me 70 or 80,000 mi and they were not even that expensive. So I know it's possible. I've talked to a lot of people in the comments. A lot more people than I ever thought I would reach when I first made these videos. And there are so many people who love the properties of these tires in the snow. I had a guy from Norway talking about it was negative 20 and he was driving around through the mountains. And I had somebody talking to me today about being in lake Tahoe driving through the slush. And everybody loves these in the snow for sure. The monster CX-5... I don't think it's anything special. Like I don't think they have any Rolls-Royce quality sound dampening or anything special about it. I was just basically saying it's a new car. I bought it in 2019. Before this car, the newest car I ever purchased was a 2003. And you know when you have an old car, the seals are old and wore out and you can hear road noise a lot worse. Basically I was just making the point that the car is new and it has new seals around the door so it keeps it pretty quiet on the inside. Compared to my old junkie cars I used to drive, we're at basically sounded like a Jeep with the doors off even though the doors were closed
That is one of the my new details about it though. Technically, technically, technically, it might be a little bit louder when you're speeding 90 mph and trying to avoid getting a ticket. But for everyday driving, they are quiet as a frog on a log
I own these tires, psi at 38 lbs, mpg didn’t reduce on my Cruze, 28-30 mpg city, 34 mpg highway. Love these tires, great through Michigan winter, grip snow wonderfully; No issues with hydroplane either. Will buy them again. Great tires.
Those tires are directional but many summer tires are not, you are correct about rotation,it’s best to swap sides if you can,that’s the one negative thing about directional tires.
Regarding the tire rotation, crossing the tires from side to side only helps if you have bad suspension components on one side of the vehicle that you're trying to even out the uneven wear. For example one side has more camber than the other, or maybe only one of your tie rod ends is worn out on one side. Swapping the tires from side to side just hides any suspension issues you have unless of course you make more left turns than right turns or vice versa on a daily basis. The other reason tire places will only rotate from front to back is that they usually don't have detailed records of your rotations and if the tires are left on too long in one direction, say for example they've been rotated front to back for 40,000 miles and they go ahead and switch directions, internal belts may shift causing damage to the tire and they don't want to be responsible for that.
Yeah that's where I learned. And the Mazda dealership that I bought the vehicle from. They actually said they have not crossed the tires on ANY vehicle in decades. They gave a sort of half-baked excuse, but it was basically a liability issue. Some tires have differences that are so small, the technicians will not notice them and once they swap them they screw up the tires and the vehicle. And other reasons like you said. But more or less, it was just a big liability issue for them and they haven't done it for decades. The only reason I did it in the beginning was because of my father. And I'm sure there was reasons for him doing it when he was younger. And sometimes it's hard for me to let go of the way I was taught. But that is fine with me. I definitely don't feel like paying for the remounting if I did want to flip it. And if I did pay for it, I don't know if it give me any benefit. Also, like you said, I have a pretty much brand new vehicle. So I'm not trying to maintain any tolerance forgivenesses and suspension through the tires. So I should be good to go
Yeah that's where I learned. And the Mazda dealership that I bought the vehicle from. They actually said they have not crossed the tires on ANY vehicle in decades. They gave a sort of half-baked excuse, but it was basically a liability issue. Some tires have differences that are so small, the technicians will not notice them and once they swap them they screw up the tires and the vehicle. And other reasons like you said. But more or less, it was just a big liability issue for them and they haven't done it for decades. The only reason I did it in the beginning was because of my father. And I'm sure there was reasons for him doing it when he was younger. And sometimes it's hard for me to let go of the way I was taught. But that is fine with me. I definitely don't feel like paying for the remounting if I did want to flip it. And if I did pay for it, I don't know if it give me any benefit. Also, like you said, I have a pretty much brand new vehicle. So I'm not trying to maintain any tolerance forgivenesses and suspension through the tires. So I should be good to go
@@jakeofreshly uneven tire wear was no joke decades ago. Replacing suspension parts under 100,000 miles was common because they were plain worn out. Now if you have to replace a tie rod end before 200,000 miles, the car is considered a piece of junk.
@@scottkolaya2110 yeah that's actually one thing that's funny. Another thing he would talk about a lot was all the dirt roads and whatnot. Apparently, he remembers the interstates being built. And he talks about how everything was a dirt road back where he lived. So I'm sure that had a major effect on it as well. And you definitely have a point about the overall quality increasing. It used to be Ford guys would make fun of Chevys and Chevy guys would make fun of dodges. But it seems like, recently, a lot of that is taking a backseat and it's more cyclical. But yeah, the old man has a lot of good information and most of its up to the time. But every now and again, he has to talk about the glory days lol
@@jakeofreshly I had a 72 VW bug in 1982. It was completely rotted out and only 10 years old. Holes in the fenders, rusted-out rocker panels, and floorboards. As part of regular maintenance, you needed to adjust the valves every 6,000 miles, they wore that quickly. Loved the car, but between adjusting the valves, replacing the points and condenser as well as the spark plugs every 10k, it was a lot of maintenance. It had no oil filter, you just replaced the oil often. The tires were cheap though. lol.
Good review and great points on the pros and cons of tires. Good grip means more cabin noise, it also means less MPG due to rolling resistance. But you get safety and durability. But depending on your driving conditions? You may not need that much grip, depending on driving habits, wheel size, weight distribution, and your engine power delivery based on the dynamometer. I love this hobby of cars. Hope youre still enjoying your tires.
You're right in your initial assessment of tire rotation patterns. In most cases the passive axel's tires should be crossed and moved to the opposing axel while the tires on the drive axel should be moved straight forward or backwards. With directional tires, however that cannot be done without dismounting and remounting the tires to be oriented in the correct direction (which is obviously much more labor intensive). Most places will opt to do a simpler "front-to-back" pattern unless specifically requested to do otherwise. Of course they will probably also charge an install or mounting fee for each tire if that is what is requested.
You know one thing that the monster dealership told me was that they had not done it in a decade or two, and every single vehicle goes front to back. He told me that back in the 2000s, The tire technology got to the point where they could micro cut the tires or something like that. And they had vehicles that looked like standard tires but they were actually directional. And several times the Mazda people crossed it, not knowing they were directional and caused some blowouts and it was a big liability. So after that, in the 2000s, they stopped crossing the tires on a rotation. We also said there was several issues during that time with tires being a very very small amount different on the front to back, maybe a half inch width or half inch diameter. And they were having some problems crossing them and causing blowouts. So to him, it seemed like the tire industry was having tiny changes that were getting hard to notice by the technicians. And then they just decided to cut out the cross tire style and just go the lazy way, back to front. So in a way I guess the way my father taught me is pointless. But at the same time I guess it must make sense because it was only cut out of the process for liability sake it seems like
This concerns me. We had a tire rotation on our Hinda Accord and drove away with a noise they later described as a result of uneven tire wear that would eventually go away. I could see that possibly we went too long between roations and tended to corner harder/more often one direction than another which could unevenly wear the tires. However, its almost time for another rotation and the sound is still there. Plus, if they only rotate this new way, I don't see how their explanation holds water.
Yeah that's about right lol I'm actually in Alabama so I use them for the snow rarely unless I'm traveling. But they're fantastic down south when the water dumps out of the sky
My Mazda CX 5 and Cross Climate 2 killed it in Lake Tahoe during a week of epic snow storms! These tires never lost traction at anytime during non stop heavy snow and slush. I only had to use snow socks when the snow become over 7 inches deep. My Mazda CX 5 AWD Turbo also was fail proof! I saw several BMW SUVs stuck Lol
Dude thanks for letting me know. That's sick. I was up at Mount Rainier the other day and we had to put snow chains on the tires. But everybody was getting stuck and everybody was getting pulled out. So I know what you mean by driving through the slush. I'm in Alabama, so I haven't got to test them this much. Although I'm putting ridiculous amounts of mileage on them. I'll put about 40,000 mi on my vehicle a year traveling, and I'm really testing the durability factor. But I have not been able to test the triple snow rating That's sick to hear that they were doing good. I mean if you look at them they're like miniature tractor tires, so I'd imagine they dig down to a solid surface and try to claw their way to the top. I'm sure all wheel drive had to something to do with it as well. But that's sick to hear bro
I’m seriously considering buying these tires because I think they would be great in the upper Midwest climate. However, I’m concerned about additional road noise. Sounds the increase in road noise is not that bad in your opinion?
Yeah my Kia Niro was getting around 52mpg before I changed out the stock Michelin low rolling resistance tires and now I’m getting maybe 47mpg on average. Ooof. But I bet the winter weather will be better. Not that the old tires were that bad, but one tire stopped holding air. We will see soon enough.
Yeah you're 100% right. I just thought it was strange. And like I said, I manage my efficiency per tank and I also do it per oil change which is about 5,000 mi. On the most recent oil change it was about 5,000 mi and I only got 25.4 mi per gallon over the whole oil tank. I've never gotten that low before I don't believe. I've even had three or four hundred mile trips where I'm stomping it going 90, and that doesn't affect my mile per gallon per oil change that bad. So it's interesting to hear other people are having the same problems. It's not bad. But it's definitely enough to notice. By the way, where are you driving at?
@@jakeofreshly Massachusetts. Been going about 75 mi each way from rural central MA to Boston where my office is and around to clients and stuff. So it’s country roads, Mass Pike (Interstate 90) and inner city stop and go - the whole gamut. We had some hurricane remnants and heavy downpours amongst like 10 days straight of rain a couple months ago and it did great in that. They were brand new but I’m sure that didn’t matter much. The old ones weren’t bad at all though all winter etc and got much better mileage.
@@kenmarcou So I noticed these things do really really great as far as efficiency on the interstate. But I think where I noticed the most loss of mileage is what I'm going extreme speeds. 80 plus. Or when I'm going around town stop and start. Honestly, I just figured the tires were heavier or something like that. But they do perform fantastic on the interstate when you can just set it on cruise control at 75.
@@kenmarcou and maybe you can tell me a little bit about this. But I hear because the tire pattern is deep tread, it maintains this tread for the entire duration of tire life down to 3/32 of an inch. Basically, they cut the tread full depth. So I'm assuming these things are going to keep grip until I wear them out essentially. I've only got about 13,000 mi on them now, and they look brand new. Just got a rotation, and I'm loving it. But I'm assuming they're going to wear out a little bit quicker
I just paid $893 for a set of four. Didn’t seem super pricey honestly. I paid $750 for some General Altimax RT43’s four years ago and they’re almost slick from my 52 mile daily commute. I use TireRack to get tire ratings and characteristics info. The reason I decided on these over another set of the General tires: Higher scores on wet and winter performance. Scares the heck outta me driving 50 miles in slick winter conditions and having those three mountain peaks signifying these are extreme winter certified will bring a lot of peace of mind. Discount tire was running a Christmas special $110 a set of four today through December 12… so I pulled the trigger on the purchase today. I recently got new rotors and brakes as well so I’m feeling good about my normally daunting winter work commute!
You know one of the reasons mine costed so much... When I bought my Mazda CX-5, I got the Grand touring limited version. And it comes with 19-in rims. And for that rim size and the tire size, there's only very few options. And they are really expensive. So mine costed I think $1,240 USD to get them mounted on the rims. And this is just my experience, but I always drove trucks. And I have bought all terrain truck tires for less than $1,200 a set. You know, the pretty grippy tires you can go mud riding with. So to me these were very expensive. I used to have an F350 that took 10 ply heavy truck tires and they weren't much more expensive than these are lol But my brother, I'd pay it any day again. I'm in love with these tires
And honestly I can't wait until you get to test them. You're telling me that you decided to get these because they have really high scores on wet and winter performance. I have not driven in snow yet, so I cannot tell you about that. But I'm telling you these are the best freaking tires on the planet driving in the wet conditions. The first two weeks you get them, you're going to be driving extremely dangerous because the control is so good. I was driving 80 miles an hour through a tropical storm while everybody else was in the far right lane with their blinkers on (typical Alabama) But I'm telling you. They are so freaking amazing and wet conditions. You're going to love them. And I'm not getting paid to tell you this at all
@@GS-kj6ur What are you driving? And this might be a dumb question, but what was your rim size? Like I said above, the whole reason why was expensive was because the rim size and the tire size
To do a proper tire rotate with this type of tire, you have to pop the tires off of the rim and reverse them. That's why they don't do it. It costs $60 Canadian. Not everybody knows how to do it.
I bought a set of CrossClimate SUVs for my X5 about 3 weeks ago based on all of the glowing reviews and had instant buyer's remorse. The road noise was significantly higher and the ride was harsher than the Michelin Latitude's they replaced. We're expecting a snowstorm tonight so maybe I'll get to see if they're really worth it.
dude thanks for letting me know and throwing it out here on the comments. I feel bad making reviews sometimes, because I don't want everybody to think I'm right and I have the only opinion that matters. but I had absolutely no buyer's remorse at all when I bought them. As a matter of fact, I was snapping pictures of my tires and putting them on my Instagram stories and then getting people responding to my stories. That's actually why I made a video because I was instagramming my tires and getting more comments than I do my regular picture lol. but yeah bro, when I got them I had absolutely no buyers remorse.. it's good that you had it and you're posting down here so maybe other people cannot have the same experience you did. I've had some people tell me they were scared of them because they are new technology, so I assume they'll get better in the future you know. funny story. when I showed up to the tire shop, I just asked for a set of michelins and these were the only michelins they had. So if they had any other michelins, I'd be riding that super soft latitude cloud pillow feel
I work as a courier in MN. The winter is different from fresh snow. We have ice that sticks for weeks. These tires are great with my 2020 transit RWD. We are lucky we have this mode called slippery mode , makes it feels like its 4WD. Still use sand in the back tho. Only down fall of these tires for me and my personal experience, is that the tread life dont last long. I can drive up to 500 miles a day. My first set only lasted me 5 months.
Thank you! Getting ready to replace my worn out OEM TOYOs on my 2021 CX5 AWD with 32K miles…these are what I’m looking at. I find it very odd too about the rotation method…I’ve always assumed they did criss cross rotation. I’m wondering if that’s why my Toyos are so worn on the edges..? I go to Mazda for service as well. Thank you for helping me with my decision! Great info.
@@jakeofreshly hey there Jake. So I ordered them and had them put on August 6th. So far I am loving them! What a treat it is to actually feel the road beneath my tires rather than gliding across the water like a jet ski 😂😂 I’ve driven at just under highway speeds during heavy rain with control and not white knuckle fear. I’m looking forward to trying them out in snow when I drive up to Tennessee this winter. I literally avoided driving in stormy weather with my OEM Toyos because they were so unpredictable in wet conditions.
I’m so happy that you like them. That’s the same experience I had with them. And it’s gonna last a long time too. Mine have 80+ thousand miles, and they definitely slip a lot more than they used to. But I’m remember when I got them brand new, for at least the first 30 or 40,000 miles, it felt like I had rat trap glue on my tires. I literally could not make them slide. And I remember that sizzling sound they make when you cut through water standing on the road.
@@jakeofreshly Yes! They grip like crazy…and when I have to brake a bit more quickly than typical on wet pavement I’m not bracing for impact from sliding into the car in front of me! Glad to see you’ve gotten so much wear from them. Like you, I rotate my tires every 5K miles when I get my oil changed. Nice chatting with you!
I bought the CC2’s the first 3 weeks was dry weather, today is the first time I got to drive in rain, and slushy snow today in Utah. They rocked on dry, and they rock in water and snow. It’s serious peace of mind having these bad boyz mounted. I have a VW TDI and it’s true I don’t see the 50+ mpg as much as I used too.
Isn't it such a comfort knowing you have these on here when it rains or when it snows? It's such a comfort isn't it brother. I mean once you actually have to drive through some bad weather and get to feel what these are capable of, it's so comforting in the back of your mind to know You won't get snuck up on by a surprise hydroplane. And really? You think you've seen a little loss in fuel efficiency?, How much
@@jakeofreshly I just got these babies put on my 2012 CT200h. Everything was better than my old set of mxv4 except mpg like you've said. I usually average around 48-50 during warm to mild weather. It's still 80 F in Texas in December, but I'm now averaging just around 44-47 mpg.
@@noblekitty that is kind of crazy though how it knocks down a couple of miles per gallon. You're still getting crazy ridiculous fuel efficiency. I'm in the '20s. So I don't get anything like hybrids or electric vehicles. But still that's crazy how it seems to be pretty consistent across everybody on the platform
I can't tell you how much I appreciate that. You can tell from my subscriber base, I'm a new TH-camr. And to be honest with you I've been wanting to do TH-cam forever, but I just never really had anything that I could call an area of expertise. I have a weird history. I was born on a farm. I was a pipe welding apprentice for 5 years. Eventually got a full scholarship to college and have an accounting degree and a master's in business administration. I worked as a firearm salesman for 3 years and a CPA for 3 years. Currently I'm an engineer and I manage teams of engineers. I ran a long business for 7 years. So I have a really weird and diverse set of skills. But for some reason, it seems like they all kind of tie together when I'm talking about the engineering of hardworking equipment. Did I really appreciate you saying that I never thought I would make it this far with this. But I'm happy where I'm at if I never move an inch forward because it seems like I've added just a small, tiny amount of value to a couple of people through my videos. Thank you for watching
I just do this video up here because there's certain things you notice after about 3 months. But you can tell from my last point that I absolutely love what I'm doing with them. These are the best tires I ever bought
@@jakeofreshly I just got the tires friday. Im here in New York. Im waiting the snow. We just had a bad wind storm and rain and jesus you are right. These Tires shred and grip in the rain like no ones business. I was getting off ramps at like 60 mph around bends with my honda civic like it wasnt even raining.
@@Solo-gx2xc So this is funny. I was just up in New York for about 5 days to tour the city and see Hamilton. But I did not dare to drive, because I've been there before and I know you guys drive crazy!. So I know what your weather's looking like lol I just have no clue how to drive there lol because I would get destroyed by all of the honking horns and I would probably get terrified driving up there lol. Moral of that stupid story. You need every little bit of help you can get lol. And yeah I know I had to make some stupid sound effects and use some ridiculous, wordy details. But it's hard to describe these things in the rain. If you drive a dirt bike, it's almost like getting brand new knobby tires on your dirt bike. Or if You have a four wheeler come it's like getting some gorilla silver backs on your four wheeler.. These things are ridiculous in the rain
@@Solo-gx2xc In the rain is just amazing. My brother, be safe for the next two weeks though lol because you have this two week high once you buy these and you become Steve-O / Evel Knievel. And you're really dangerous because you're overly confident. Try to make it through the first two weeks without killing yourself my brother
I bought Michelin Cross Climate first-generation tires almost four years ago. Yes from day one I thought they are noisy and not as good for fuel economy as my previous Michelin all-season tires, but the best fuel mileage I ever got on my manual 2006 Toyota Corolla was when I did a round trip from Vancouver Canada to San Francisco and back, in the October of 2019. The fuel mileage average for the whole trip was 5.5 litres per 100 kilometres or 42 Miles per gallon. With those tires, I don't need a set of winter tires. The best tires I ever had.
Dude I agree. Man they do drop mileage a little bit. But brother if you are looking for a quality tire with good grip and poor weather condition control, these are the only options.
@@jakeofreshly Yes, on the west coast of Canada we get a good share of rain storms and occasionally cold and short winter weather. Maybe I have a feeling that the gas mileage on my car dropped slightly only because that's what the other people claim. As I said, my best-ever recorded gas mileage happened on my last long trip three years ago. Sadly it looks like Michelin doesn't offer any more Cross Climate tires for smaller rims than 16-inch.
@@jakeofreshly They have been the best tires I have ever owned by far for the climate where I live, on the West Coast of Canada or anywhere else in the Pacific Northwest, Washington State, or Oregon State. Unfortunately, I got rear-ended last November and my super reliable 2006 Corolla was completely destroyed. I was going to buy a set of new Cross Climate tires for my wife Yaris but Michelin doesn't offer those tires in smaller sizes than 205/55R 16.
@@MrCROBosanceros oh dude that's horrible to hear. That sucks. Oh well, at least you're okay. Nobody really cares about tires anyway. As long as you're safe
Between the stock bridgestone tires on my CX-30 turbo and these I think there is roughly a 1 mpg mileage difference. Road noise I think is about the same, wet performance is certainly better, and dry traction and sidewall flex seems quite a bit better.
Yeah it's pretty consistent with the mileage loss it seems like. And that was a huge huge huge hit for me because I'm a mileage junkie. So I basically do everything I possibly can to get better mileage on my vehicle like it's a video game. So that hit me hard. But it's well worth it. When I'm driving through the rain or when there's a lot of water on the streets... There's no other suggestion and no other comparison
@@jakeofreshly Yeah my drive everyday is just under 2 hours of primarily highway driving so I feel you on the mileage part. Typically get an average of 29 mpg with about 21 city and 32-34 highway. Think with the stock bridgestone tires I was able to get 30 average more regularly.
@@ZWortek yeah that's kind of what happened with me. I know I said this before, but I have a 2019 Mazda CX-5 with two-wheel drive. And I have driven 70 plus thousand miles in the past two years. The first year I drove 48,000 mi. So I drive a lot I have about a 70 mile round trip to and from work. But the main reason I had up so much mileage is because I live about 300 miles from my parents and I go and see them a couple times a month. If I'm lucky. So I can put 700 miles on in a weekend like nothing Moral of the story is I used to see 29.4 mi per gallon all the time. I really have to push it and be easy on it and go a little bit slower if I want to see 28 now
Best tires I have ever owned, best grip in snow and ice I’ve ever experienced in non studded tires. I have a Yukon Denali and get 20-21 miles per gallon in this big truck. Will absolutely replace these tires with the same thing unless something better comes along, but I doubt it, Michelle knocked it out of the park with these..
Brother you have to check out my most recent video. I have driven these damn things 85,000 Mi and I measured the tread. Just to save you some time, I have over half the tread life on them. But that's totally unrelated
What I wanted to know is how are they in the rain? I have used these, and I literally questioned why the government doesn't regulate all tires be built like this because there's such a night and day difference. Also, thanks for watching my video. You rock
My Mercedes GLC has Cross Climate 1 SUV that I had fitted in 2017. They have 32,000 miles on them and are due for replacement soon. I've been pleased with them - no complaints. I was going to replace them like-for-like, but noticed the new version. I'd be interested in hearing comments from anybody who has changed from the '1' version to the '2'.
I went ahead anyway. After speaking to Michelin they recommended the Mark 2 as they said has better snow grip with no significant negatives. They also said the Mark 2 will be the only choice going forwards anyway. I've only changed 2 tyres to the Mark 2 so far, but haven't noticed any difference in noise, grip, or MPG.
@@jakeofreshly Yes, I just very recently replaced the other 2 CC1's that I had moved to the front when I got the CC2's. They were down to about 3mm and had just under 40,000 miles on them. I've replaced them with two more CC2's. Haven't had much snow for the last few years, so haven't been able to test any of the CC's in snow. Being an all-weather tyre, the CC's did sort out the tyre skipping (crabbing) on my GLC though. Haven't really noticed any difference now that I have all CC2's - it's early days yet, so will report back if MPG changes.
I also noticed an mpg drop in my 2014 Honda Accord Sport 6 speed manual on the Michelin CC2. I was averaging 28 and it dropped to 27/26.5. However, they are comfortable, fairly quiet, and good grip on different surfaces and seasons.
If you don't live in a winter climate area, these are a waste of money. I'm in the Midwest and we get plenty of snow and they do well. If I lived in Texas I wouldn't waste my money in these
Do you have any reasons why you wouldn't waste your money on these? So my biggest reason would definitely be fuel efficiency if you were considered about 2 mi per gallon or so. But with the price of gas, that is a really big deal for some people. Also, the price is ridiculous for me. I can get a decent set of tires for half the price, but it seems like other people can find a cheap set. I just can't. But I can totally understand where you're coming from. I don't know if I would say a waste of money. Because these things have phenomenal performance and traction. Especially in Alabama where we have the highest rain percentage next to Seattle. So they definitely have good performance and safety factor. But for snow, they never get tested down here for sure.
Loved your review on the CrossClimate2! Thank you. I'm new to cars and expecially tires and I live in Vancouver and really like the concept of all season tires that you don't have to worry throughout the year once you put them on. I know these tires perform exceptionally well on the snow. But how about dry and conditions. Vancouver has a mild winter climate with mostly raining and rarely gets snow. Will this be still a better choice when compared to a proper summer & winter tire set ?
So I can actually give you a little opinion on this. I was driving Toyo tires that came standard on my Mazda CX-5 when I bought it brand new. One thing different about these tires is that they have a deep deep tread pattern. and I mean deep. You can basically stick your finger in between the little tracks and it's about one knuckle deep. The cool thing about this is they are cut to be the same exact tread pattern all the way until they are wore down until 3/32 of an inch. So imagine you wear these tires for 50,000 mi, to have the exact same tread pattern as I did the day you got them brand new. same grip now here's what was weird about all the other tires, including my Toyo tires. after the first 5,000 mi, the grip is totally wore off and you are reduced to the major structures of the tire design. to put it simply, there's a lot of little lines and little squigglies and little bumps on the tire surface when you buy it brand new. but after about a thousand miles, all of those little bitty things wear off and the little bumps wear off and a little tiny grooves wear off in your left with a basic tire. these are different. and just if you want to talk about the grip alone, I would say the grip wears off of a regular tire after a couple of thousand miles. I have always driven Firestone and Bridgestone and Goodyear if I have the money. and that's one thing I would compare when looking at these tires would be the depth of the tread pattern. and try to imagine what a set of Goodyear tires would look like after 2,000 mi and all of the little details of wore off. whereas my tires I've driven about 16,000 miles on them so far and they look brand new. I like to think of them like tractor tires. If you've ever seen tractor tires, you can imagine you can wear the tires down pretty bad and they will still have really aggressive grip. That's what they feel like to me
now that was a little wordy and I just wanted to scrape the simple physics and design of the tire. but let's talk about my opinion. To be short and sweet, these tires have the best grip I've ever had on a vehicle in my life. I'm not exactly sure how they do that with so much of the surface area missing on the tire face. but it's phenomenal. for example, if I was going uphill and had to stop for a stop sign. I would stop the vehicle and then when the light turns green I would accelerate. A lot of times when I accelerated, either the left or the right tire would slip because I was going up a hill and I did not have much grip. another thing that would happen is the same situation call makes up you have to turn left or right. So you are going up a hill, and then you have to press breaks at the stoplight. The light turns green, and then you turn left. I would always skid my tire when I did that. something about being a front-wheel drive and a SUV that is heavy in the rear end, but it would always slip and slide during dry conditions. One more thing, if I were ever in the situation where I had to floor the vehicle. for example I'm pulling out of a grocery store and I have to get onto a busy street, it would skid. You pull out onto the road and you punch the accelerator while you are turning the vehicle, and no matter what the tires would squeal. THAT NEVER HAPPENS ANYMORE. I mean real world daily driving, that does not happen anymore. and those have to be the highest intensity situations these tires experience. when I'm driving 50 and I have to go around and interstate on ramp or off ramp, I never worry about my tires. They have absolutely phenomenal grip.
So that was super wordy. but in short I want to say yes they have phenomenal grip. that is by far the best aspect of these tires and by far drowns all the negative parts of this tire for me. If you can't tell, I am madly in love with my tires and I feel like these should be mandated on the all vehicles
@@jakeofreshly Thanks Jake for taking the time to reply. You've cleared all my doubts I had with this tire. Getting them fitted next week. Thanks again!
@@PicoPianist for sure! and keep in mind, I'm not sponsored by these guys so I'm not getting paid. I wish I was getting paid for selling these lol. that would be nice!!! but in short, they have more grip in dry conditions than any tire I have driven. maybe there are some other tires out there that beat them. but I have never driven them before. and then when you talk about traction in the rain... it's like being on a different planet. let me know what you end up thinking about them when you end up getting them! It would be cool to hear if anything I said about these tires translate to your experience!!!!!!!
True I was disappointed in my mpg, I was hoping with brand new tires I'd see better mileage, but the pros outweigh that. I drive in snow/slush/rain no problem.
. You were going so slow that big rig was going to ram your ass. You need to be more situationally aware. If you're going slower than the big rigs, theatre is a problem.
I was going 60 and a 65. I don't drive fast. And I stay in the far right lane. Partially for safety, and partially because I used to drive Uber and I would lose a lot of tips if I sped. And partially for fuel efficiency.. Thanks for watching though lol You have a good attention to detail
Just because I know this is probably annoying to watch, this is a four-lane highway and I'm in the far right lane. Nobody passing me is getting into the passing lane. Just for emotional reassurance lol
@@LuckyNikitaBoba yeah 100%. I went back and looked at the video and I saw exactly what you're talking about. It looks like I'm hogging the right lane and making the semi trucks have to get into the passing lane to pass me. But like I said, it's just the camera angle. This was a four-lane highway and I was all the way in the far right. Like I said , you have very good attention to detail.
I got a set on my 23 Camry XSE with a 2.5 lit I got no complaints. My last set of tires had me white knuckling it in the rain.(I live on top of the blue ridge mountains so rain can be crazy here)
Oh brother, you are the best. Thank you so much for watching and commenting my videos. I actually just did a video recently where I crossed over 85,000 mi. And I have over half the tread depth left. So these things are still cooking, and really loading the scales towards these
In regards to tire rotation: A directional tire will have an arrow on the sidewall indicating proper orientation, there is no need to determine it by actually inspecting the tread. If you do mount a directional tire incorrectly, it's not going to destroy the tire. You will just get worse traction in the wet and possibly more road noise. Odd a tire installer gave you the wrong information on this basic tire knowledge. It would make me question their experience. If you really want to rotate a directional tire in the crossing style like you would a nondirectional tire, you have to dismount all 4 and remount in the opposite direction. This is really unnecessary though and a waste of time and money if you are paying someone to do it.
Yeah I asked to do a ship about that and they said they haven't cross-rotated a set of tires in over a decade. Even for non-directional tires. For liability issues and just for best practices. So after talking to them, I realized they've been rotating my tires the same way no matter what. It's just an old school method my dad taught me
Hey buddy. I'm sorry, but my Spanish is not that great. I will text some stuff, and see if Google translate can translate it for you I freaking recommend these everyday.. I have about seven or eight videos on these tires, and It is hard to find problems with these tires. I am not receiving any money and I am not sponsored by them. But I have never had a tire like this before. It totally changes everything you know about vehicles and traction. Hey amigo. Lo siento, pero mi español no es muy bueno. Enviaré un mensaje de texto con algunas cosas y veré si el traductor de Google puede traducirlo por usted. Los recomiendo todos los días. Tengo alrededor de siete u ocho videos sobre estos neumáticos, y es difícil encontrar problemas con estos neumáticos. No estoy recibiendo ningún dinero y no estoy patrocinado por ellos. Pero nunca antes había tenido un neumático como este. Cambia totalmente todo lo que sabes sobre vehículos y tracción.
I live in Alabama, USA. And I do not experience much snow at all. So you might ask why I would buy snow tires when I do not have snow? The advantages and grip and traction and safety are so great, it doesn't matter if it snows or not. I get so much value from these tires. They are amazing in the rain and amazing for driving every day. I recommend these to everybody. I do not care if they have snow or not. They ARE WORTH IT JUST FOR THE RAIN AND SAFETY ALONE!!! Vivo en Alabama, Estados Unidos. Y no experimento mucha nieve en absoluto. Entonces, podría preguntarse por qué compraría neumáticos para nieve cuando no tengo nieve. Las ventajas, el agarre, la tracción y la seguridad son tan grandes que no importa si nieva o no. Obtengo mucho valor de estos neumáticos. Son increíbles bajo la lluvia y sorprendentes para conducir todos los días. Recomiendo estos a todo el mundo. No me importa si tienen nieve o no. ¡¡¡VALEN LA PENA SOLO POR LA LLUVIA Y LA SEGURIDAD!!!
So not doubting you, but why do you say that? I can understand sometimes it could be wrong, especially in older vehicles. but would you not trust a Mazda 2019 computer? personally, I divide the miles per tank by the amount of gallons I pump in every time. So I do what you say. but it seems that it always comes out to be what my fuel efficiency odometer tells me. So maybe mine is accurate?
@@jeffreyknowles6265 You know one thing I noticed is if you hold down the pin on the left hand side of the odometer and check the mileage on the fuel tank, it will give you a different mileage if you used to meter versus the number. It's very inaccurate. For example, you can drive 10 mi down the street and the miles per tank will go up
@@jeffreyknowles6265 hey I'm sorry bro. I was thinking you had a Mazda like mine. Don't know what I was thinking. Lol. I can't even imagine a set of these on the F-150
I like that they handle rain and water well as I don't like to slow down on the hwy or let big trucks spray me with all the water coming off the truck as they pass me. I have hydroplaned a couple of times at 65-70mph when I had tires that don't handle water very well. Can't imagine driving around with worm out tires...lol
Oh man I know what you mean. I have so many stories, but it's hard to tell them to people without sounding ignorant and dangerous. For example, it will be raining so hard that people will be pulled off on the side of the road under a bridge, where they will be driving 40 mph or slower on the interstate with their blinkers on. And I will be in the fast lane going 70 at full speed, and what others would consider whiteout conditions. With a little rainX, some good windshield wipers, and the CC2'S, I HAVE NEVER FELT that I was in a bind or in a dangerous position. Like I said, it sounds a little dangerous when you're flying past people at double the speed. But I can guarantee you I'm safer than they are on there worn out, bald, standard summer tires. Also, all that micro tread and micro patterning on those traditional tires wear off in a month or a thousand miles or so. And then you're left with belts and strips. Whereas these tires are full depth tread pattern. And they are just as good the first day as they are the first year. I'm at the risk of sounding dangerous, I totally understand what you're saying. I don't like slowing down on the highway and getting whited out by trucks. But I don't have to anymore
Ummm. Not sure how to respond to that.. I do care about it, a lot. I promise you. Lol. But they don’t have one with 40+ MPG that has what I need in a vehicle. But then again, why 40MPG?
Even with shity tires I'm always jumping the puddles, lol it's fun. I ended up buying the Bridgestone Weatherpeak since the cross climates don't come in 15". I'm waiting on my Costco appointment to get installed.
I bought weather peaks instead of cross climates because of the cross climates gravel retention and directional tread. Weather peaks are almost as good at accelerating in the snow and stop better than the cross climates. The weather peaks are smooth and quiet and can have normal rotation. To each their own.
@@dentalnovember Ehhh I might give them a try the next go around. I’m not sure that will ever happen though. I just did a video after 85,000 miles driving these tires. I had a tread gauge and actually measured several of the tires. And I still have more than 50% of the tread left on the tire. So I would try a new set, but it looks like I am going to go well over 100k miles on these… Might wear the car out first. lol
Thanks Jake I am finally getting to test out these tires with my Mazda CX 5 AWD Turbo Carbon Edition in the snow. We are going to Lake Tahoe for a week on December 22. Tahoe has a good amount of fresh snow.
Oh my god I'm so jealous of you. So you have the all-wheel drive version, and I did not get that version because I was scared of the loss in fuel efficiency. But after having my vehicle, I can honestly tell you that the difference between 27 miles per gallon and 26 miles per gallon is absolutely nothing. I don't know if I bought this car right after I got my job... So I was feeling really poor. Or what happened. But I did not get the all-wheel drive version and I really regret it. You have to let me know how the test drive goes. Especially in lake Tahoe. I know I love these to death, but I can only imagine what it would feel like if all four of the tires were pulling. Also, you're going to need to really test them in some cool areas. So I'm jealous of you. Let me know how my Mazda CX-5 cousin does
@@jakeofreshly Thank you , Since I only put on a little under 1k a month in driving miles, fuel efficiency is not very important for me. With the AWD , Cross Climates and a Cross Bar rack on top of my car , mileage will drop and outside noise is a bit heavy which I totally do not mind since the CX5 has 12 Bose Speakers . As for the snow and icy conditions , these AWD Mazdas and Cross Climates will not take kindly to snow chains . I do not anticipate I will need them in Tahoe as the big blizzard is coming this week and it may snow lightly when we are there during Christmas week
@@kazmaitalia8796 see that's what I wish I thought when I bought my car. When I bought my vehicle, I just thought a mile or two per gallon was the whole world. I don't know if I was broke or it was because I just bought a house and I had a poor person's mindset. I really don't know why I was thinking that way. But I was flipping out substantially about fuel efficiency. I really really regret that I did that. Because at the end of the day, doesn't make that big of a deal. 25 miles per gallon plus is fantastic for an SUV. And I really lost a lot of luxury and creature comforts by not picking the all-wheel drive version. So I regret it so bad man. I don't know why I was flipping out about it back in the day. Totally not worth it now after having it for 2 years and 63,000 mi
@@kazmaitalia8796 and the same with me lol Bose speakers all over the place. It's nice to talk to a fella Mazda person. They have these things really nice for the price. And that's sick. Like I truthfully don't even trust the snow peak symbol. But I've never have to driven through snow and I've never had a pair of snow tires. I've never put on a pair of chains before either. Because I'm in Alabama. So I'm not sure how much of a difference it would be, because I'm skeptical. That's why it's really nice to hear from people like you how the vehicle doesn't snow. I really hope it lives up to what it says, but I don't think I'll ever get the opportunity to test it. I'll have to vicariously live through you guys
😳😳😳😅😅😅 I told you man lol you got to watch out. It's like getting a new dirt bike for the first couple weeks. You going to want to try and see how long you can ride a wheelie. But man, I've been doing that for 2 years. I'll be going 75 or 80 in what I would assume are whiteout conditions for everybody else. People will have their emergency flashers on and they'll be on the side of the road. And I'm just hauling ass. It's loud when you run through those mud puddles though. It's like the water splashes on the undercarriage of the car or something. I know the tires direct the water out. But it's really loud when you hit puddles compared to normal tires
I just put these tires on my car. I don't have any mileage to measure because it's a Nissan Leaf (full EV). However, right away I had better acceleration which I attribute to lower rolling resistance. I personally don't get any road noise. Someone else told me they started to get road noise on the highway after 40K miles or so. They HAVE to rotate front-to-back and back-to-front because otherwise the tread pattern (water channels) will be backwards. If the water channel are backward, the tread will push the water towards the center of the tire (instead of away from the tire), guaranteeing that you will hydroplane. My tires were expensive but I attribute that to the fact they are 17" rims. Smaller tires are cheaper.
They sure are. I have taken them through all types of snow. Just took the CX5 to Banff and Jasper… tons and tons of snow. Trucks slipping and sliding everywhere, but I just chugged along.
Did you notice a bumpier ride? I recently bought a set and the ride is vertically bumpy. I have a subaru crosstrek and it was a smooth ride before these tires. Had the tires rebalanced a couple times too. Alignment is fine, brakes are fine.
How do the CC-2s compare to the stock tires? I just replaced a set of stock Geolander G91Fs on my Crosstrek. They had less than 22,000 mile on them and little wear. These have been the worst tires I have ever driven in the rain. I discovered hydroplaning and why we need ABS braking.
Most people would be buying these for winter, which would go time wise with when gas stations switch to winter fuel which lowers fuel economy a few percent. So if you are in the September-May time period you can't compare the fuel economy results with summer grade fuel months. Also its recommended to not believe the car's readout of fuel economy and instead figure it out manually at each fuel up. My 21 Pilot reports 25-28mpg on average when actually it's 1.5-2.5mpg lower than that.
I've actually had them about a year and I've used them consistently. I'm really really methodical and detailed about things, and one thing I can say is I've definitely accounted for the changes in gas. Don't get me wrong, I love the tires. I feel bad talking about them, but I have to be honest. I wish I didn't use more fuel, but they do consistently. As far as all the signs and technology, I'm sure there's tons of logic and argument of why these would be better. But they're just plain and simply not
Have falken wildpeak at on my cx5 and put 65k miles on em. Really agressive looking tire with the same benefits youve mentioned with your crossclimates. The winter driving has been insane and wet/dry is great! They are rated for 65k and i drive like an idiot. I could probably get another 5-10k on the tread so very durable. Was thinking about the crossclimates but ill probably go back to the falkens. Thanks for the opinon
Hahah understood! I drive like a grandpa, so I am not sure how they would hold up if I was always speedy! I imagine it would be just fine, but still. Wouldn’t want to stick my neck out on something Idon’t know. I’ll check your tires out in a few minutes.
Have these on my 2019 Rav4 Adventure about 55k miles, 1: notice 1-2 mpg lower, 2: vehicles is already Noisy but notice slight noice at low speed and high speed so agree. 3: rotation is normal cuz their one directional, went through about 3 alignments. Exceptional when raining, dry, snow, off-road, sleet handling. love tires to death but thinking of trying continental crosscontact lx25.
@@jakeofreshly im near the end of the life of my tires and i have gotten like 6-7 flats, i think it easily picks up screws, nails, even post staples of the ground and into the tire, have you had any similar issues?
Oh man. I actually did that video on the 85k miles. And I have a few new tires. I hit a curb. I had one pick up what can only be called a “spike” and got another screw in one. I do a lot of real estate though, so I chalked it up to driving properties… it might have been the tires.
Man it's been so directly correlated with the tires. I just did an 80000 me video, and I could switch to other tires to prove the point beer but I think I'm going to buy these again, because it never really was an issue to start with
Have you tested to odometer accuracy with the tires? My gas mileage went up but the speedometer seems to be showing higher miles per hour. I'm wondering if the tire diameter is a little smaller from last tires. Still don't understand are you saying get these tires or not?
Oh I love them. I wouldn't trade them for the world. I've had them for 2 years and $75,000 mi, and we're still going. Totally love them. I've often thought that as well. If you change the ratio of the tire, it should change the odometer and the speedometer.
Last Sunday in a hilly, northern Ontario, Canada at 26 F we got 2" of freezing rain and 30 MPH gusting wind. The road was pack with 2" of sold dense wet ice in few hours and than in the evening hour mixed of heavy rain and freezing rain came down together with gusting wind when I needed to go out. Not the kind of weather I would ever go out in the OE Micheline Energy Saver A/S before but With CrossClimate 2 that has 10,000 miles since this March I was able to drive through this horrible and unsafe weather safely up and down deep hills. Few area where the tires slide a bit are the same places my Micheline X-Ice Xi3 had slide before. Huge benefit on safety, stability, comfort as well as I always set my tire pressure at 43psi for years (34psi by factory), The OE Micheline Energy Saver A/s delivers 57.5 MPG in the warm seasons and 50 MPG "UNSAFELY" in the winter. Micheline X-Ice Xi3 with KIA Optima hybrid rims delivers 56.5 MPG in winter seasons. Cross Climate 2 delivers 61 MPG in the warm seasons and 56.5 in winter with no additional cost of time and money to swap the tires. The decreasing MPG for HEV/PHEV in the winter seasons is because the ICE engine needs to be fired up time to time to keep the engine oil warm for immediate acceleration at anytime. The real MPG KILLER is the usage of heater that requires about 1300W to power the heating element (same as the household plug-in electric heater) which is produced through drawing more current from the alternator on conventional car or the battery pack through the ICE on HEV/PHEV since most of them are not equipped with timing belt, alternator belt or an alternator. If the vehicle is equip with heated seats and heated steering wheel which uses only about 30W as well as keeping the cabin temperature a little bit lower will increase the MPG easily.
Okay so this is perfect. I remember speaking to you earlier, and I really really really wanted to get your comments about how these tires would perform in the snow. As you remember, I'm in Birmingham Alabama and we only see snow every 2 or 3 years. We have blizzards every 10 years or so that shut the city down, but it's probably only an inch of snow. We're just not used to it. And I remember asking you to give me an update once you went through the snow. This is absolutely perfect. Obviously because I may not get the chance, but this is so cool to hear this.
And honestly what you're saying makes a lot of sense. I'm actually kind of surprised, from what it seems like you say these tires have performed the best in the summer and winter for miles per gallon and fuel efficiency? That's really interesting to hear. Also, 1300 watts is ridiculous amount of power. Absolutely ridiculous about a power. I can understand why it would drain the battery. I couldn't even imagine having a space heater on sucking life out of the battery in the first place.
The space heater or hair dryer are usually about 1100W ~ 1800W; however, no one would pay attention to that because they are plugged into the wall without the need of refueling so most people would not think twice turning them on
100%. Several weeks ago I did a $27,000 review. And if you watch those, it looks absolutely brand new. I actually even measure the depth of the tire and then compare them to my 4,000 mi review depth. And my tires are basically brand new I had some really weird stuff with somebody in the comments you said they were a pair of these out in 23,000 mi... I just can't believe that, and I don't believe that. Because I literally have a review at 27,000 mi and a tires look brand new. I think they're guaranteed for 50 or 60,000 mi. So if you wear those suckers out they'll send you a new pair. So even less to worry about
I love them BUT after 2 years on the rear axle, and having rotated, 2 years on the front axle, the tread blocks started peeling off, even with 3-4mm of tread depth left. I did not expect such sudden degradation although admittedly my summers are very hot.
I bought a new Subaru Crosstrek six months ago, came with Geolandar G91 tires. They sound like a Huebsch front-load clothes washer with a bad spin bearing. I'm going to Michelins when the time comes. Sooner rather than later.
I think I still need a set of these boots for my girl, though. I suspected the road noise with that slight tractor look to em'. Thanks, Jake, great video
That's one thing I've kind of consistently said throughout my videos. I even said it in my most recent video about the five things that I like about these tires. Number one is safety. And I think if money's not an issue, and you're buying these for somebody that you love (spouse, parents, children, etc) then to me it is a no-brainer. If you look at my problems, a lot of them are not issues. Minor sound issues. Losing one or two miles per gallon. A little bit expensive. But if you looking at safety and you have them for somebody that you love, it's a no-brainer. These are the safest, truest tires on the market to me. Without even looking at durability or traction or anything, these are by far the safest. And my most recent video I talked about the clout and community for these tires. I have Instagram, and I posted a picture of my tires and it got more likes than any picture I posted of my face... So that should tell you all you need to know about the tractor tires lol they look dope
@@coolahalic You know what's funny. I did a video on the five things that I love about these tires. And these little extra bonus item I threw in at the end was the clout in the community of these tires. I absolutely love the community. I took a picture of these tires and stuck them on my Instagram, and they got the most likes of any picture I took last year. So people like looking at these cool tractor tires more than they like looking at my face lol That means I'm really ugly or the tires are really pretty lol so I'm going to pad my ego and just say these tires are beautiful. So I couldn't agree more!
Something to consider when choosing replacement tires. OEM tires are chosen by vehicle manufacturers for one reason over all others, for their ability to have a quiet smooth ride, and increased fuel economy. It sells more new cars, gets their new cars to pass CAFE standards easier, and makes the average new car owner overall happy with their new vehicle purchase. Rarely are OEM tires chosen for their ability to handle wet, snow, dry handling, performance, or traction in any conditions. This is why you will see the majority of OEM tires on most vehicles, being specific smooth quiet touring tires, or in the case of trucks and offroad SUVs, very average AT/HT type tires. I just got my first set of Cross Climate 2's to replace some OEM type touring tires (Bridgestone Dueler HP) that went from almost 3/4 tread to almost on the wear bars in one year on my 2019 Honda pilot, with regular tire rotations, religious up keep on the tire pressures, and I dont abuse my vehicle or tires one bit.
Thanks for your video. Im trying to decide if settling on these since x-ice isnt currently available. Unfortunately, have 2 new X-Ice for a car i no longer own. Goodyear had an eagle aqua tread in the 90s. Very similar tread pattern. Excellent for water and Rocky Mountains snow, although they were not touted for snow. Like you, i noticed a good 2 mpg loss (ford probe GT) that previously got around 27 hwy (if i drove speed limit). In the VW tDI, which normally could get 48mpg cruising at 95 dropped to 44/mpg when i put the aqua treads on it. I always said that they were my tank treads; let me go almost anywhere in bad weather. Sliced through deep water like speed boat, easily climb up hill in snow.
No I haven't, but to be honest with you I'm not even sure if anything can compete with these tires. I'm not getting paid and I'm not a page spokesman. But these tires are just the best as far as safety and grip goes.
Just purchased these tires. Not on car yet. I read they should not be stored in an area if temperature drops into 30s. I was planning to store in an outside shed and don't have the convenience of a house basement. Is there any truth to that. I really enjoyed your video. Thanks John
Thanks for the good honest comment 😁 I tried not to be biased when I talk about these. And one of the biggest problems I think was fuel efficiency. I did another video on that. But honestly these are fantastic tires. And everything I'm talking about here is really nitpicky and doesn't change the decision that I think they're the best. I definitely wanted to let people know what I thought about them.
100%. Man, it sounds so cool too when you hit the puddles. I was dangerous the first few weeks that I used them. Lol. Like getting new tires on a motorcycle.
Just priced a set 215 50 r17 950.00 a set this is February 2023 I think I'll pull the trigger on them they have a 60,000 mile guarantee so if they make it to 50 I'll be happy 😊
Well far as I know a cheap Michelin Tire doesn’t exist. Waiting for mine, ordered mine a couple days ago. I anticipated most of the things you discussed. Thanks for confirming! Usually go with Blizacks winter All season or touring in the summer. Hopefully this tire covers both.
Hey brother I hope so too. If you go look in the comments of this video There is a guy from Sweden who has been driving these tires through the Swedish mountains at -20°C. And he said he no longer put studded tires or winter tires on his vehicle. He just drives these all year around I’m from Alabama, and it doesn’t snow here much. So I’m basically testing these through tropical storms and hurricanes and flooded roads and interstate. But I’m not really going to experience much winter weather. But if you look at it, It seems like people are loving these for winter tires lol three peak approved
And you were right, these are not cheap. But I bought a vehicle with a signature package. And it has a 19 inch rims. And really when I go to Michelin, the only tires I had that would fit it is this. So because of my large rooms I’m pretty much stuck with a small selections of tires in the first place. Which makes him really expensive
@@jakeofreshlywell got a say I love mine. Finished my third season with them approximately 35,000 miles. Still performed very well in winter conditions (mountains of Colorado) plenty of tread left. Hopefully get one more winter out of them
@@raynman67 brother it is great to hear from you really. So funny news, I just did a video at 85,000 me where I pull out the tire tread measurement tool. I have over half the tread left. So I'm going to get at least a hundred thousand miles on these suckers
They are a bit noisier, but after 20,000 miles and having excellent dry and wet grip, I don't care about a little more noise. Snow traction was also great. Maybe not as grippy as a full dedicated snow tire.
A lot of talk about price on them. I used to cringe at the price too, but what’s the cost of not having them? For me, in Michigan, these are god sent. There really is no need to have snow tires. I only have about 15k miles on mine, but I can clearly see they’re holding up better than any other tire I ever owned. How does Michelin manage to get longevity and all season traction from one tire? It has to be magic. And for performance minded people, these things grip dry roads like a summer tire. I make turns as though I’m on rails.
Man, I tell you one thing. We have had a miniature blizzard in texas, and probably had 500 to 1000 cars spun out all across the freeways and all across the bridges. These things were worth triple what I paid for them in the past 2 days alone
I put the Cross Climate 2 on my 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE in order to replace a set of Michelin Premier A/S Tyres worn to 3/32. Overall with a 50% mixed ratio of highway driving at 65 MPH and stop and go traffic lights, I have not had any measurable wear after 7,000 miles. With the earlier Primacy A/S tyres I averaged around 38.5 MPG. With the CC2, I average 36.5 to 37.2 MPG. While a little worse than the Premier A/S, well within the margin of change from a 3/32 tread depth to a full tread depth tyre. The cabin noise isn't bad in the Camry, the worst noise being from heavily worn asphalt. Noise from normal concrete highways and cross grooved concrete was very reasonable. Mind you, when the Premier A/S were worn below 5/32 their noise level increased dramatically. Traction from CC2 completely surpasses that of the Premier A/S. Even wet traction is much better let alone snow. Personally, the minor loss in fuel consumption and along with possible increase in noise is still an acceptable trade off over the dramatically;ly increased traction. Also, my CC2 are full tread tyres, 10/32 when new as compared the 8.5/32 tread depth you get from the Premier A/S, Primacy and other Michelin Tyres available in my size.
One thing I want to add. Concerning cross rotations, vehicles with suspension in good condition and proper wheel alignment will only require cross rotating of tyres if they are used frequently in heavy city driving involving lots of turns. Think of a NYC taxicab as a good example. In North America and Continental Europe, these vehicles will do a disproportionate amount of R/H turns, which causes increased tyre wear on the R/H side of the steering axle. In the British Countries, it will be the L/H side of the steering axle. Cross rotating helps to distribute this increased wear throughout all of the vehicle tyres. Most of us, in America at least, will spend 90% of our driving in straight line operations whether it be in the city or highway, thus negating the need for cross rotations.
th-cam.com/video/ygPDMO28qAo/w-d-xo.html So here is actually a video I just did for my 40,000 mi review. I promise, no spam both viruses or anything like that. Just a video on TH-cam. I have done reviews all the way from initial reviews all the way up to 25,000, and I could not see any distinguishable wear at all. The durability of these tires is insane. And it took all the way to 40,000 mi before I saw even the slightest wear. However, that shouldn't matter. And it sounds like you know why, because you sound very knowledgeable on the subject. These are for tread patterns, and the tooling to make these is pretty expensive and unique. But they would maintain the exact same tread pattern basically until they are wore out. So durability really doesn't matter to that much. Nonetheless, it is interesting to see because you don't want to spend a bunch of money and have your tires burn out. But these tires definitely are doable. I'm actually expecting to get probably 100,000 mi off of these. And then it is just an added bonus that they will maintain the same tread pattern all the way until they are wore out essentially.
And I also could not agree with you more. Although the mileage is a little worse (I have almost the exact same fuel efficiency loss as you. Just a mile to a mile and a half), any noise is slightly more, I don't see any reason not to get these. Those two factors when taken individually are very minor. And when coupled with the amazing, fantastic, superfluous, ridiculous, unbelievable traction of these tires it is really not an issue I have tested them much more in the rain, as I live in the sunbelt and it rains everyday here. And I have tested them for some horrendous conditions such as tropical storms and whiteout rain. And these things have never let me down Honestly I don't know if my traction control even works anymore because my tires are incapable of slipping. They're absolutely fantastic So to come back around to the beginning, the problems with these tires are minor. And once you drive these for even just a little bit call me you'll realize that the benefits fastly outweigh the problems
How about the going from 0 to 60 mph performance. I have Avalon XLE 2018 model. I feel it is taking more time now. Has anyone measured that yet ? I see higher RPM with CC2 to achieve the same performance. Note: it is just two weeks now. Hardly 500 miles on it yet. In snow and wet weather I will give 5/5. But for high performance cars Is it good ?
@@bhupendra_s Anytime you install a new full tread depth tyre, you will see worse 0-60 times. Also, assuming you were replacing the OEM tyres, the CC2 will feel more sluggish due to their increased weight since many OEM tyres are generally much lighter in weight and have less tread depth in order to give better EPA Fuel Economy ratings.
Man I wish I had time like I used to when I was doing these videos. I haven't done a video in a year, and it sucks. But that's what happens when you work 6 hours a day. I only did these videos to help people make a decision, but I haven't had time for that in a year
There is a trade off between tire grip and mpg, the less rolling resistance the less grip on the road. Directional tires get better mileage and tend to have better grip but must be rotated front to back. These tires are expensive but seem to be better built and engineered. Tires @re the only thing that stop the car and the stopping distance, on these tires are one of the best.
So I took them up through banff, all the way up to Jasper before I got scared and turned around to avoid an 8hr traffic jam. I saw all these big f150s that were spun out, and we were still good. What year Mazda?
Yeah, I bought my brand new. And honestly, sound is nothing to worry about. I’ve had about eight vehicles in between a 2003 and a 1993. And all of those are significantly louder than when I bought my new Mazda. A lot of people complain about it. And it might go up a decibel or two. But nothing really. You should be more than good.
You know that is one thing I am coming to find out too. Honestly, there's so much pride involved in these tires. And my ego gets to work it wants to brag about them. I want to think that honestly, I've been trying to find a reason to hate these tires for 3 months and have not found it out yet. But these tires are truthfully fantastic. The real test is going to be whether or not I would buy another set again... And to be honest with you I don't know. I'm a little bit on the fence about it. I'm kind of like you. I don't drive a semi truck so I'm not on the road all year. I do not drive for a living. So I only drive when I need to. Now for sure, I want to be the safest I can be when I'm driving. But at the same time, there are some things you have to give up with these tires. Specifically a lot of money in fuel efficiency. And I'm not so sure I would buy another set. I honestly have been looking for a reason to hate these tires for months, and I cannot find good reasons. I can get really picky and find one or two things that are not optimal. But I really cannot find a reason to hate them. That being said, I have several reasons to really like them. I'm just not sure it would be worth it on the next time. On the next time, I may just go ahead and get a set of good years and enjoy 30 miles per gallon for 75,000 miles and call it a day.
Basically I'm saying I love these tires and I really cannot find a reason to hate them. But at the end of the day, I would probably just do like you and get a set of good years for about 60% of the price and enjoy higher fuel economy and hire tread life. They make a difference. But sometimes they don't make that big of a difference to really matter or suffer through the small negative aspects. Thanks for watching tho!!!
Just bought a set of these and they all required a massive amount of weight to balance. The previous set of tires required very little. Very harsh ride as well. I’m taking them back to discount tire.
Losing a little mpg is much better than having a crash or worse in bad weather. Summer tyres in mid to bad winters are totally dangerous taking you nowhere except the kerb or the cliff edge.
Man I agree. When I was broke, I didn’t have the money for it to matter. But man, if you have the money just DO IT
Just got me Defender Michelin tires they have slightly better MPG less noise than these
Man, do you still like them so far?
Just came home from work in a Cleveland Ohio blizzard with the cross climate 2’s. I probably shouldn’t admit it, but I had way too much fun driving in that 🤣 I recommend these guys to everyone I know. The noise isn’t bad at all. They cut through all weather like a knife. The only issue I ever had was attempting to drive though snow that was higher than my suspension. That’s the only time I ever got stuck. 5/5 for *true* all season tires
HEY MAN!!!!! YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THE DISCLAIMER!!! LOL
I have dropped the comment a few times about my 2-week disclaimer!!! For me, the first two weeks were the most dangerous driving of my life because of the UnDue Confidence these tires inspire in the driver. I had WAYYYY too much fun driving through a tropical storm when I got them .
I was basically waiting or it to rain so I could go out and hunt mud puddles. The danger that I put myself in (also probably shouldn't admit) was not that smart at all.
I also did the same with that blizzard that came though North Carolina two weekends ago. lol. Drove down a few closed roads.
@@jakeofreshly YUP! lol I actually found this video after about 7 months of having these tires already. My favorite condition to drive in would be on absolute monsoon downpour rain. I remember driving on the freeway just to get somewhere one evening and it dumped rain on us so bad, that people were stopped on the side of the road with hazards on. My AWD with the CC2's were so good in it, I was able to continue at 60mph with perfect grip, no hydro planing and no problem whatsoever. Ive never cared about tires I my life before these, but since getting them its almost turned me into a nerd. My wife's car now has them, and two people at my work already have em because of my recommendation. So good. My only beef is like what you said, the MPG goes down, but only slightly. I too had a consistent 28-29MPG on my Honda CRV, but its now down to 25.5-26.5mpg. But a small price to pay for tires that absolutely bite the living snot out of the road.
@@3rundisciple dude this is so weird. I don’t even know if I should respond because it sounds like you’re my twin except you got the tires first. I literally do the exact same thing you do on everything you just talked about lol literally everything
I have been in downpours and tropical storms and And I have been going over the speed limit in the bass lane while people ar either driving 30 with their hazard lights on or stopped on the side of the road with her hazard lights on lol and I’ve been going So fast I could not barely see through my windshield lol So I know exactly what you’re talking about lol
Also, I never here for tires before in my whole life! I got tired retirement. The thought of there being actual technology or actual engineering behind a black rubber circle never occurred to me. Much less the thought of looking up and promoting the design lol
I actually bought these on accident. I walked in and I wanted to get a set of Michelin’s because both of my parents are in love with them. But these were the only ones they had that would fit my 19 inch rims on my CX five lol so he was action accent I got these. Never was a tire guy
@@3rundisciple I haven’t talked anybody into him that I know personally. But it seems like a couple people have watched my videos and been convinced. But I’m not making any money off of it. Just an honest review lol
And I had the EXACT Same Fuel efficiency losses. However, I’m a huge stickler for fuel efficientcy Short of keeping an excel spreadsheet, I track it all different ways. MPG is my baby. So that one hurt a little bit. But I got over it pretty quickly
I heard continental made a better version of these. Forgot the name of it though lol
I have 42000 miles on mine, I live in Kansas so the weather is very unpredictable. They have performed very well in the snow, the rain and pretty good on the ice. A little more than I like to pay for tires but I will definitely be getting a second round, I say two big thumbs up !
I am about to do a 75K mile review in a week or so
Quiet, smooth, and great winter traction. Great tire.
I’ve been fantastic for me! Thank you for commenting
I just had them installed on my wife’s RX350 2019 LexusI find them grippier in rolling resistance which CR identified as such. This is a High Performance All Weather Tire, more grip, more resistance in rolling,I’ll sacrifice miles for traction, I love them and My wife and I feel that they are less noisy than the OEM Bridgestones, the Lexus used to make me feel that the car was riding off the asphalt like in the air with the Michelins Cross Climate 2, it feels like it has claws and makes us feel the car is glued to the road So far we love them ❤
I am glad to hear it! Did you watch these videos first, or just get them and find my page?
2020 Ford Escape AWD owner here. I bought these tires for rain and snow reasons. This past storm we got here in Northern Virginia showed I made a great decision. These things gripped in the slick compacted snow. If it wasn't for height clearance issues, I could have driven out my neighborhood before the plows came. And in rainy days, I have great traction. My girlfriend drove my car in a rainstorm and could immediately tell.
I have one extra negative to give about these tires one top of your five: they eat rocks!!! lol I can not begin to tell you all the times I've driven home from work to see little rocks wedged in the tread. The amount of rocks I saw these past few months worried me that these won't cross the 60,000 mark. I've only had them for 10,000 miles since I about them in the fall. We shall see how they progress.
With that said, I will be buying another set of these tires (or whatever iteration exists at the time) when it's time to replace them. I really paid for what I got.
Yeah that definitely seems to be the general consensus; they are definitely wife approved. I was talking to someone and he was telling me how his wife drove through a rainstorm and called him once she got to work to tell him how phenomenal the towers were... This tire sold themselves 10 times over with that one phone call lol.
You know that's funny, because I can totally agree with you. I just never thought about it as being a detrimental aspect or anything like that. So basically, you don't like how rocks get stuck in the treads of the tires. What do you think the negative aspect of that would be? Are you worried about them slinging rocks on your paint and chipping your paint?
Virginians do not really know what a Snow Storm is like, please come to Buffalo, NY or to Vermont.
hahah I spent a lot of time in Canada this winter... they worked well. That is real snow
In the long run tho with these having more traction in less than ideal situations such as rain and snow I would take the couple miles per gallon over wrecking the car off a guardrail rear ending someone cuz I couldn't stop or worse. That's your contact to the road and they seem to be pretty rad tires as far as control and grip especially in low traction situations. And they keep that the life of the tire which is quite rare usually you lose the 3 peak rating and such relatively quickly as the tread wears.
So this is actually funny, but I just did a video on the durability of these tires. And I've been driving them for 16,000 mi. And I really got close to them and zoomed up on the tire so you can see how they look the exact same and even the micro tread inside of the treadlines is still there. You should check it out if you get a chance.
And everything you say makes sense. It just sometimes it really stings, you know, when you're driving a 300 mile trip and you get 22.5 miles per gallon rather than 24. I know it's not a big deal and it's literally pennies. For me, it ends up being about $2.25 per tank difference. Which is absolutely nothing to pay. It just stings a lot you know...
And bro. If I could fully describe how great these tires are and low traction conditions, you would run out and get a pair right now. They're freaking amazing in the rain
Nothing beats a great performing tire,I have no problem for spending the extra money for piece of mind....
@@jakeofreshly I got mine in February 2019 and I made 22'686 Miles with those tires. They still look like brand-new tires. I live in Vancouver west coast of Canada and we have lots of rain. Those are the best tires for extremely wet roads and occasional snow. I was actually looking for legendary Michelin Hydro Edge tires but they don't make them anymore. The Cross Climate is the best substitute for HydroEdge.
I agree. I’m in Minnesota and it can go from perfectly normal driving conditions to a skating rink within minutes so I don’t mind spending premium money on tires. My vehicle has terrible gas mileage anyway but the security I feel in winter driving conditions is worth every penny.
They made it another year. 85K miles in total so far
Been using the crossclimate2 for almost 3 years now. Perfect for the Swedish weather all year around 👍
Hey man, greetings from Alabama!!!! Glad you love them! How many miles you got in them?
@@jakeofreshly How can he possibly answer that question?....he said he is from Sweden!
I love this review. I just put Crossclimate2's on my CX5. My first road trip was from Ontario, Canada to Connecticut and back. We hit a heavy rainstorm on the NY Thruway, and I was impressed. There was zero hydroplaning. None. It felt like the road was dry. They just cut through the water. I haven't tried them on snow yet, but I can't wait. I had Nokian WRG3's on before, and they were great, but the Crossclimate2's just seem to roll a little quieter and smoother. Gas mileage seems to be about the same.
Hahah glad to hear! They are fun the first little while when you get them. But I had to be careful not to “test them”.
But thank you. I tried to do this review like a friend giving you an honest opinion. Hope that came through in the video!
Thanks for commenting! Yo rock!
Hi there, you mentioned you had Nokian before… I’m trying to decide between Michelin CC and Nokian WRG4 . Which one would you recommend more?
Thanks
@@andreilesiuk9538 I will let you know in a few weeks. It is just starting to get cold here, so I haven't tried the Crossclimate2's in the snow yet. I was really happy with my Nokians for the first 3 winters. I do notice a slight difference in gas mileage so far Nokian 7.5/100km vs Michelin about 8.4/100km
How did they end up holding up?
Funnily enough putting cross climate 2 on my Ford Edge increased the mpg in comparison to the previous tire. Bought the car with 5 miles on the odometer with Hankook Ventus Noble stock. Averaged 25ish mpg but treadlife was abysmal. Replaced that with Scorpion STR. Tread life was about 10000 miles more but mpg tanked sometime barely breaking 23 mpg. Hoping I get good wear out of the cross climate as I’m digging the extra mpg. Even got a free 4 wheel alignment at the dealership to help make these last as long as possible. I’m loving these tires.
I know it’s been a little while, but how have they been for you?
Good video. I've got about 15k on mine. I'd agree they're not perfect, but I'm happy with them. I've had the same experience with fuel mileage. I'd characterize the road noise as not so much louder but it is different. They are a little more expensive, but up here in MN, it's worth it IMO.
Yeah, I found a few problems with them. And I definitely would say they're not perfect. But for the concerns that I have on vehicles, they fit me perfectly. It's a little strange, because I'm in Alabama and it does not snow here. So it's a little strange having three peak snow rated tires. But they're surprisingly fantastic in the rain, which I have tested a lot more than the snow. So they are fantastic. The little things like road noise and firmness and softness at high speeds and fuel efficiency really don't matter to me. Because when I'm driving 400 miles from my mom's house back home, the only thing I'm worried about is getting there safely.
I think I got stiffed on the price though. I paid 1300 bucks or more to get them purchased and put on the vehicle. It seems like a lot of other people had them for a lot cheaper.
Also, I have tested them in Mount Rainier and lake Tahoe and North Carolina during the blizzard this year. And they worked fantastic. Better than chains
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L season and winter tyres are noisier on smooth asphalt but much quieter on rough road surfaces like concrete or old asphalt or mountains regions asphalt. Keep them at correct pressure is also important for longevity and low noise levels. 👍
@@jakeofreshly 1300 for what tire size? prices vary widely based on size.
@@gschaaf713 so what got me was the freaking 19 in rims. Those are expensive.
@mplsdan I am thinking of buying these how are yours now that another year has passed? ( I am in MN as well )
I've been using CrossClimate tyres for 5 years now and have just put them on my new car, replacing some EcoContact 6 tyres. Yes the CrossClimate tyres are a slightly harder and noisier ride than the EcoContacts which were very comfortable, and I've probably lost a very minimum of mpg ... but all worth it for the safety these tyres bring. I can actually get off my sloping driveway in snow and ice, and have made it through when cars on summer tyres are all over the place. I got 40,000 miles out of my last set of Michelins on my previous car. I love them. Worth the money.
Where do you live at? Open the northern climate?
The best tire I have ever owned. I Can feel the improvement in all weather conditions and feel safer with a great ride.
How long have u had them?
Best tires hands down in my 50 years of driving , they grip like a snow tire but ride like summer tires , I have a 2018 Lincoln MKZh hybrid and have not noticed any mpg loss . You will feel super safe with these tires .
They're absolutely amazing. It's like putting nabi tires on a dirt bike compared to slicks. Nothing like them
WhT are your thoughts for highway driving? I live in an area where snow is possible, but not common. I like the tread wear warranty.
Sorry for chiming in so late man. Have you been enjoying them?
I have had these tires for three weeks I have never had a set of tires this good I'am very impressed . I will see how they hold up .
You know so far so good. I've actually put about another 2,000 mi on since this video so I'm running them through. And it's actually kind of stark the difference as compared to a regular pair of michelins.
My dad has a typical set of michelins on his F-150 truck. And they don't have any more than 15,000 mi. But the entire grid pattern is more flat and all you can see is the main trenches in the cut.
I sure wish she had the full depth tread pattern that are on these tires lol They are unchanged all the way down to 3/32 of an inch if I'm not mistaken.
I too own a CX-5 (2018 Grand Touring) and installed these tires on my car.
I've noticed the decrease in MPGs, but I also live in Belgium and the additional road noise. We don't get so much snow, but we do travel places with snow.
The wet and dry traction is noticeably better than the original Toyos. They feel quite a bit more firm on edge.
They're have a bit smoother ride quality. They mute out smaller road imperfections considerably better.
What you're paying for with this tire is an all-season that performs better than practically every other all-season on the market in snow and better than many winter tire options out there....which give considerably worse MPGs.
It's about tradeoffs! I really feel this is one of the safest all-seasons on the market in all weather conditions.
Man I couldn’t agree more. How are they holding up?
As for rotating the tires, The CrossClimate 2's are directional tires. So to properly rotate the tires as you wanted (Crossing front/rear) you would need to fully dismount the tire and move to the wheel you want so the tread is facing the correct way. Most tires are not like this. That Mazda dealership telling you that they just do that for all tires/vehicles just show that they are lazy. How you rotate the tires depends on the type of car (RWD, AWD, 4WD, FWD, and suspension type) as well as taking the condition of the tires into consideration (Wear patterns and tread depth). If their technicians can't determine how to properly rotate the tires (which is a pretty basic task in the automotive industry) based on those factors I wouldn't let them touch your car...
I wouldnt rotate tyres as such. Front tyres take more wear than rears, so swap front right to rear right and front left to rear left for 'rotating'
These tyres are great. Been using them since the original crossclimates came out. I was out in the heavy snow just yesterday with my mazda 6 and drove past many cars that were just abandoned at the side of the road when they got stuck. When these wear out or I change my car, I'll be using crossclimates again!
@@yufoh7753,
Some rear wheel drive Mazda Miata owner is probably going to disagree with your assessment. The rears on a well balanced and maintained Miata probably don't have more tire wear on the fronts than it does on the rears.
I actually did a video about that a while ago
I love my Michelins. In the summer they ran incredibly well, and in wet weather they're heavenly. I couldn't believe the traction I had. I am still waiting for snow but gosh... I love these. The small fuel hit is worth it for the immense traction I'm getting. Great video man! I drive the freeway everyday so it was a no brainer getting these
I know it's funny how when I posted these problems, I didn't know if anybody would relate to them. I just wanted to give everybody a heads up. But it seems like the fuel efficiency has been a consistent negative aspect of these tires across multiple people. But I haven't found one person who doesn't brag about the traction. I personally think it should be a legal mandate that all tires should be like this. I wonder how many lives you can save
@@jakeofreshly the issue comes down to pricing. I'm sure whatever their rubber compound is they're using is more premium than the cheaper tires on the market. I think cars need sensors on them to say when tires need to be changed though. I see too many people driving with basically no tread. And of course they end up in a ditch somewhere unfortunately. It may also help to teach clueless people about basic car necessities
@@SpencersStuffTV yeah, but like you said the traction is just so unreal and so different from anything I've driven. It's really wild. Now also, I'm from Alabama. And it feels like everybody in Alabama is an idiot when they drive. They're pretty safe, among the safest, when they were driving a normal conditions. But if one drop of rain falls or if the temperature gets cold or if there's frost on the grass or if there is road work, these guys wreck up and crash. So I'm coming from a pretty bad pool in the first place lol.
@@SpencersStuffTV but yeah, I do tend to think of these like an iPhone and everything else is just an Android. I mean it's definitely top dollar premium technology. And when I first got tires like this, I didn't even know tires had technology lol
@@jakeofreshly I follow racing so I knew tires had alot of depth to them in terms of quality haha. I understand what you're saying, but comparing a phone to a tire is very different. I don't think alot of people could afford these tires
2nd set on my Tesla model 3 and I love them. We just had a week of ice and snow in eastern pa and they handled great.
I got really lucky with mine too. I'm sure you've heard about it, but it's been pretty much blizzard conditions in the southeast. And we're not used to it. I'm the only one who knows how to drive on it, and these have been fantastic
How's the road noise?
@@spike378slightly louder than stock but hardly noticeable. Only if you are sitting in silence!!
I just bought a set for my Lexus. I’m glad i did based on many positive reviews on them. Thanks for your review ❤
Hahah so happy I could help. Keep us updated, and let everyone know if I was lying!
Thanks for your review. The key points being that increased/decreased mileage is relative to the previously installed tires all other things being equal along with the ensuring a consistent blend of gasoline (summer vs. winter) which was mentioned in another post. I just installed CC2's on my Hyundai Elantra and love them so far. I don't have your "real world" measurements on mileage, but I perceive a small 1 to 2 MPG drop-off relative to the Michelin Premier A/S 2's they replaced -- partly attributable to their being new and a bit heavier perhaps. I'm on the fence as to whether to replace the Continental PureContact LS's on my wife's Subaru with CC2's. We've had good luck with the Conti's. In TireRack's objective measurements, they go toe-to-toe with the CC2's even though they lack the 3-Peak Mountain snowflake rating but they score lower in "Real World" rating categories. From what I've read the CC2's would have to be better in the snow. But we live along the shoreline where snow has been less of concern and we try to avoid driving in it too. So wet weather braking and handling are more important almost on par with the CC2's and the MPG hit over the 4 to 5 years will likely add up to half the cost of new tires. The Conti's are ECO friendly and about $25 each less right now before rebates. There are rebates available on both tires right now ($150 on the CC2's at Costco and $70 Visa rebate on the Purecontacts) which doesn't make the decision any easier really.
3:35 I would remind you, these tires have a directional tread pattern. I haven't used the cross climate tires, but I drove HydroEdge Michelins on my '98 Frontier, and each set had more than legal tread left at 100K to 110K miles, two sets and 8/32 with 60K on the third when I donated the truck to a charity.
Regular rotations every 7500 miles with the oil changes front to back, back to front. Those tires also had directional tread, with better traction in all conditions than any tires I have used regardless of brand.
I currently have the LTX on my 2013 Frontier, non-directional, and rotate cross back-to-front, fronts go straight back, and no problems with tire life or traction.
As for the price, Michelin is considered an upmarket brand, but when I consider the ride, grip, and how long they last, they are a bargain.
Surprisingly, nobody switches them across regardless of directionality anymore. The shops around my house haven’t done it for 20 years, no matter what tire for liability sake
Glad to see a review once tires are run a bit. Please repeat at 25 and 40k. Criticisms are normal tradeoffs for performance, no? Clearly, they are worth the premium price - especially if they wear well. Now, Michelin needs to include the sizes for the BMW i4 EV series and other EVs. At least they're XL rated.
Hey brother. I'm actually really happy to hear you say that. Thank you for watching my videos and commenting. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
And you know it man. I've got about 18,000 mi on them now. But I'm definitely going to do another review. Thanks for giving me the mileage, I'll go ahead and remember to do one at 25 and 40 then lol
To answer your question, criticisms are worth it 100%. I've been trying to find a reason to hate these tires for the past 3 months, and this is the best I have. Little tiny minuscule complaints
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I actually just did a video in the link above for the tires at 16,000. I have some pretty good visual references and camera angles of what the tires look like right now. So maybe that will be a little bit of help
I have owned Michelin tires now since my car was new. (Its a 1996 Mercury Grand Marquis.) I had a set of Defenders on it I got 92,000 miles out of. I paid $759.00 and I didn't think that was too bad at all. (Yeah, I know; the tires are worth more than the car!) The main reason I would consider these tires is a person wouldn't need to change these out in winter. I know several people that have these tires and they all say the same thing; they are the best they've ever had. I would think with that "aggressive" tread pattern they would be quite noisy. I don't know much about a Mazda CX-5's sound deadening properties, however I couldn't hear anything but your voice as you drove during this video. Great video!
Geez man you are lying lol Your tires do cost a little more than the car by now. But that just goes to show how good you take care of things. And I also know what you mean because I've had a set of tires last me 70 or 80,000 mi and they were not even that expensive. So I know it's possible.
I've talked to a lot of people in the comments. A lot more people than I ever thought I would reach when I first made these videos. And there are so many people who love the properties of these tires in the snow. I had a guy from Norway talking about it was negative 20 and he was driving around through the mountains. And I had somebody talking to me today about being in lake Tahoe driving through the slush. And everybody loves these in the snow for sure.
The monster CX-5... I don't think it's anything special. Like I don't think they have any Rolls-Royce quality sound dampening or anything special about it. I was just basically saying it's a new car. I bought it in 2019. Before this car, the newest car I ever purchased was a 2003. And you know when you have an old car, the seals are old and wore out and you can hear road noise a lot worse.
Basically I was just making the point that the car is new and it has new seals around the door so it keeps it pretty quiet on the inside. Compared to my old junkie cars I used to drive, we're at basically sounded like a Jeep with the doors off even though the doors were closed
That is one of the my new details about it though. Technically, technically, technically, it might be a little bit louder when you're speeding 90 mph and trying to avoid getting a ticket. But for everyday driving, they are quiet as a frog on a log
I own these tires, psi at 38 lbs, mpg didn’t reduce on my Cruze, 28-30 mpg city, 34 mpg highway. Love these tires, great through Michigan winter, grip snow wonderfully; No issues with hydroplane either. Will buy them again. Great tires.
First or second gen Cruze? I have a '17 and I'm considering these tires.
@@joelmadison7952 2012 Cruze
Also bought them for 2009GMCEnvoy.
I’m loving them too. About to do a 75K mile review.
Those tires are directional but many summer tires are not, you are correct about rotation,it’s best to swap sides if you can,that’s the one negative thing about directional tires.
I AM HAPPY SOMEONE ELSE IS CALLING IT NEGATIVE TOO! I mean come on, is it so much to ask to just want to cross them? Lol
Regarding the tire rotation, crossing the tires from side to side only helps if you have bad suspension components on one side of the vehicle that you're trying to even out the uneven wear. For example one side has more camber than the other, or maybe only one of your tie rod ends is worn out on one side. Swapping the tires from side to side just hides any suspension issues you have unless of course you make more left turns than right turns or vice versa on a daily basis. The other reason tire places will only rotate from front to back is that they usually don't have detailed records of your rotations and if the tires are left on too long in one direction, say for example they've been rotated front to back for 40,000 miles and they go ahead and switch directions, internal belts may shift causing damage to the tire and they don't want to be responsible for that.
Yeah that's where I learned. And the Mazda dealership that I bought the vehicle from. They actually said they have not crossed the tires on ANY vehicle in decades.
They gave a sort of half-baked excuse, but it was basically a liability issue. Some tires have differences that are so small, the technicians will not notice them and once they swap them they screw up the tires and the vehicle. And other reasons like you said. But more or less, it was just a big liability issue for them and they haven't done it for decades.
The only reason I did it in the beginning was because of my father. And I'm sure there was reasons for him doing it when he was younger. And sometimes it's hard for me to let go of the way I was taught. But that is fine with me.
I definitely don't feel like paying for the remounting if I did want to flip it. And if I did pay for it, I don't know if it give me any benefit.
Also, like you said, I have a pretty much brand new vehicle. So I'm not trying to maintain any tolerance forgivenesses and suspension through the tires. So I should be good to go
Yeah that's where I learned. And the Mazda dealership that I bought the vehicle from. They actually said they have not crossed the tires on ANY vehicle in decades.
They gave a sort of half-baked excuse, but it was basically a liability issue. Some tires have differences that are so small, the technicians will not notice them and once they swap them they screw up the tires and the vehicle. And other reasons like you said. But more or less, it was just a big liability issue for them and they haven't done it for decades.
The only reason I did it in the beginning was because of my father. And I'm sure there was reasons for him doing it when he was younger. And sometimes it's hard for me to let go of the way I was taught. But that is fine with me.
I definitely don't feel like paying for the remounting if I did want to flip it. And if I did pay for it, I don't know if it give me any benefit.
Also, like you said, I have a pretty much brand new vehicle. So I'm not trying to maintain any tolerance forgivenesses and suspension through the tires. So I should be good to go
@@jakeofreshly uneven tire wear was no joke decades ago. Replacing suspension parts under 100,000 miles was common because they were plain worn out. Now if you have to replace a tie rod end before 200,000 miles, the car is considered a piece of junk.
@@scottkolaya2110 yeah that's actually one thing that's funny. Another thing he would talk about a lot was all the dirt roads and whatnot. Apparently, he remembers the interstates being built. And he talks about how everything was a dirt road back where he lived. So I'm sure that had a major effect on it as well.
And you definitely have a point about the overall quality increasing. It used to be Ford guys would make fun of Chevys and Chevy guys would make fun of dodges. But it seems like, recently, a lot of that is taking a backseat and it's more cyclical.
But yeah, the old man has a lot of good information and most of its up to the time. But every now and again, he has to talk about the glory days lol
@@jakeofreshly I had a 72 VW bug in 1982. It was completely rotted out and only 10 years old. Holes in the fenders, rusted-out rocker panels, and floorboards. As part of regular maintenance, you needed to adjust the valves every 6,000 miles, they wore that quickly. Loved the car, but between adjusting the valves, replacing the points and condenser as well as the spark plugs every 10k, it was a lot of maintenance. It had no oil filter, you just replaced the oil often. The tires were cheap though. lol.
Good review and great points on the pros and cons of tires. Good grip means more cabin noise, it also means less MPG due to rolling resistance. But you get safety and durability. But depending on your driving conditions? You may not need that much grip, depending on driving habits, wheel size, weight distribution, and your engine power delivery based on the dynamometer.
I love this hobby of cars. Hope youre still enjoying your tires.
Hahaha you basically summarized everything up! You rock man. I should have you doing these reviews for me!
You're right in your initial assessment of tire rotation patterns. In most cases the passive axel's tires should be crossed and moved to the opposing axel while the tires on the drive axel should be moved straight forward or backwards.
With directional tires, however that cannot be done without dismounting and remounting the tires to be oriented in the correct direction (which is obviously much more labor intensive). Most places will opt to do a simpler "front-to-back" pattern unless specifically requested to do otherwise. Of course they will probably also charge an install or mounting fee for each tire if that is what is requested.
You know one thing that the monster dealership told me was that they had not done it in a decade or two, and every single vehicle goes front to back. He told me that back in the 2000s, The tire technology got to the point where they could micro cut the tires or something like that. And they had vehicles that looked like standard tires but they were actually directional. And several times the Mazda people crossed it, not knowing they were directional and caused some blowouts and it was a big liability. So after that, in the 2000s, they stopped crossing the tires on a rotation. We also said there was several issues during that time with tires being a very very small amount different on the front to back, maybe a half inch width or half inch diameter. And they were having some problems crossing them and causing blowouts.
So to him, it seemed like the tire industry was having tiny changes that were getting hard to notice by the technicians. And then they just decided to cut out the cross tire style and just go the lazy way, back to front.
So in a way I guess the way my father taught me is pointless. But at the same time I guess it must make sense because it was only cut out of the process for liability sake it seems like
This concerns me. We had a tire rotation on our Hinda Accord and drove away with a noise they later described as a result of uneven tire wear that would eventually go away. I could see that possibly we went too long between roations and tended to corner harder/more often one direction than another which could unevenly wear the tires. However, its almost time for another rotation and the sound is still there. Plus, if they only rotate this new way, I don't see how their explanation holds water.
everything worked out so far?
My Bridgestone Alenza’s are great for these BRUTAL Florida winters.
Yeah that's about right lol I'm actually in Alabama so I use them for the snow rarely unless I'm traveling. But they're fantastic down south when the water dumps out of the sky
My Mazda CX 5 and Cross Climate 2 killed it in Lake Tahoe during a week of epic snow storms! These tires never lost traction at anytime during non stop heavy snow and slush. I only had to use snow socks when the snow become over 7 inches deep. My Mazda CX 5 AWD Turbo also was fail proof! I saw several BMW SUVs stuck Lol
Dude thanks for letting me know. That's sick. I was up at Mount Rainier the other day and we had to put snow chains on the tires. But everybody was getting stuck and everybody was getting pulled out. So I know what you mean by driving through the slush.
I'm in Alabama, so I haven't got to test them this much. Although I'm putting ridiculous amounts of mileage on them. I'll put about 40,000 mi on my vehicle a year traveling, and I'm really testing the durability factor. But I have not been able to test the triple snow rating
That's sick to hear that they were doing good. I mean if you look at them they're like miniature tractor tires, so I'd imagine they dig down to a solid surface and try to claw their way to the top. I'm sure all wheel drive had to something to do with it as well. But that's sick to hear bro
I've been wondering that. And it's just really cool to hear
Good to know! I have a CX5 as well and was considering these tires!
How did they end up turning out?
I’m seriously considering buying these tires because I think they would be great in the upper Midwest climate.
However, I’m concerned about additional road noise. Sounds the increase in road noise is not that bad in your opinion?
Yeah my Kia Niro was getting around 52mpg before I changed out the stock Michelin low rolling resistance tires and now I’m getting maybe 47mpg on average. Ooof. But I bet the winter weather will be better. Not that the old tires were that bad, but one tire stopped holding air. We will see soon enough.
Yeah you're 100% right. I just thought it was strange. And like I said, I manage my efficiency per tank and I also do it per oil change which is about 5,000 mi. On the most recent oil change it was about 5,000 mi and I only got 25.4 mi per gallon over the whole oil tank. I've never gotten that low before I don't believe.
I've even had three or four hundred mile trips where I'm stomping it going 90, and that doesn't affect my mile per gallon per oil change that bad. So it's interesting to hear other people are having the same problems.
It's not bad. But it's definitely enough to notice. By the way, where are you driving at?
@@jakeofreshly Massachusetts. Been going about 75 mi each way from rural central MA to Boston where my office is and around to clients and stuff. So it’s country roads, Mass Pike (Interstate 90) and inner city stop and go - the whole gamut.
We had some hurricane remnants and heavy downpours amongst like 10 days straight of rain a couple months ago and it did great in that. They were brand new but I’m sure that didn’t matter much. The old ones weren’t bad at all though all winter etc and got much better mileage.
@@kenmarcou So I noticed these things do really really great as far as efficiency on the interstate. But I think where I noticed the most loss of mileage is what I'm going extreme speeds. 80 plus. Or when I'm going around town stop and start.
Honestly, I just figured the tires were heavier or something like that. But they do perform fantastic on the interstate when you can just set it on cruise control at 75.
@@kenmarcou and maybe you can tell me a little bit about this. But I hear because the tire pattern is deep tread, it maintains this tread for the entire duration of tire life down to 3/32 of an inch. Basically, they cut the tread full depth. So I'm assuming these things are going to keep grip until I wear them out essentially.
I've only got about 13,000 mi on them now, and they look brand new. Just got a rotation, and I'm loving it. But I'm assuming they're going to wear out a little bit quicker
@@kenmarcou old ones got better milage????
I've seen this before as I work as a tire installer make sure they put the tires on in the correct direction
How did it work? I forgot a pair.
I just paid $893 for a set of four. Didn’t seem super pricey honestly. I paid $750 for some General Altimax RT43’s four years ago and they’re almost slick from my 52 mile daily commute. I use TireRack to get tire ratings and characteristics info. The reason I decided on these over another set of the General tires:
Higher scores on wet and winter performance. Scares the heck outta me driving 50 miles in slick winter conditions and having those three mountain peaks signifying these are extreme winter certified will bring a lot of peace of mind. Discount tire was running a Christmas special $110 a set of four today through December 12… so I pulled the trigger on the purchase today. I recently got new rotors and brakes as well so I’m feeling good about my normally daunting winter work commute!
You know one of the reasons mine costed so much... When I bought my Mazda CX-5, I got the Grand touring limited version. And it comes with 19-in rims. And for that rim size and the tire size, there's only very few options. And they are really expensive. So mine costed I think $1,240 USD to get them mounted on the rims.
And this is just my experience, but I always drove trucks. And I have bought all terrain truck tires for less than $1,200 a set. You know, the pretty grippy tires you can go mud riding with. So to me these were very expensive.
I used to have an F350 that took 10 ply heavy truck tires and they weren't much more expensive than these are lol
But my brother, I'd pay it any day again. I'm in love with these tires
And honestly I can't wait until you get to test them. You're telling me that you decided to get these because they have really high scores on wet and winter performance.
I have not driven in snow yet, so I cannot tell you about that. But I'm telling you these are the best freaking tires on the planet driving in the wet conditions.
The first two weeks you get them, you're going to be driving extremely dangerous because the control is so good. I was driving 80 miles an hour through a tropical storm while everybody else was in the far right lane with their blinkers on (typical Alabama)
But I'm telling you. They are so freaking amazing and wet conditions. You're going to love them. And I'm not getting paid to tell you this at all
Mine were 750 all together
@@GS-kj6ur What are you driving?
And this might be a dumb question, but what was your rim size? Like I said above, the whole reason why was expensive was because the rim size and the tire size
@@jakeofreshly 17 civic I think 215/55/16
To do a proper tire rotate with this type of tire, you have to pop the tires off of the rim and reverse them.
That's why they don't do it.
It costs $60 Canadian.
Not everybody knows how to do it.
Hahaha that's what I thought...
I do two front to backs, and then a proper rotate. Another one or two front to backs, and they're done.
@@tryhiguy that's what imma call it from now. A proper rotate
I bought a set of CrossClimate SUVs for my X5 about 3 weeks ago based on all of the glowing reviews and had instant buyer's remorse. The road noise was significantly higher and the ride was harsher than the Michelin Latitude's they replaced. We're expecting a snowstorm tonight so maybe I'll get to see if they're really worth it.
dude thanks for letting me know and throwing it out here on the comments. I feel bad making reviews sometimes, because I don't want everybody to think I'm right and I have the only opinion that matters. but I had absolutely no buyer's remorse at all when I bought them. As a matter of fact, I was snapping pictures of my tires and putting them on my Instagram stories and then getting people responding to my stories. That's actually why I made a video because I was instagramming my tires and getting more comments than I do my regular picture lol.
but yeah bro, when I got them I had absolutely no buyers remorse..
it's good that you had it and you're posting down here so maybe other people cannot have the same experience you did. I've had some people tell me they were scared of them because they are new technology, so I assume they'll get better in the future you know.
funny story. when I showed up to the tire shop, I just asked for a set of michelins and these were the only michelins they had. So if they had any other michelins, I'd be riding that super soft latitude cloud pillow feel
I work as a courier in MN. The winter is different from fresh snow. We have ice that sticks for weeks. These tires are great with my 2020 transit RWD. We are lucky we have this mode called slippery mode , makes it feels like its 4WD. Still use sand in the back tho. Only down fall of these tires for me and my personal experience, is that the tread life dont last long. I can drive up to 500 miles a day. My first set only lasted me 5 months.
I already have these tires and love them. Just curious how you feel about them now having been in the snow and a year now.
Hahaha I was going to ask you the same thing! You should check out my recent review at 85k miles. I got detailed
Thank you! Getting ready to replace my worn out OEM TOYOs on my 2021 CX5 AWD with 32K miles…these are what I’m looking at. I find it very odd too about the rotation method…I’ve always assumed they did criss cross rotation. I’m wondering if that’s why my Toyos are so worn on the edges..? I go to Mazda for service as well. Thank you for helping me with my decision! Great info.
And my primary reason for these is rainy season in Florida….im tired of hydroplaning during our daily summer downpours!
Let me now how it goes! I’ll love to hear what happens when you get them
@@jakeofreshly hey there Jake. So I ordered them and had them put on August 6th. So far I am loving them! What a treat it is to actually feel the road beneath my tires rather than gliding across the water like a jet ski 😂😂 I’ve driven at just under highway speeds during heavy rain with control and not white knuckle fear. I’m looking forward to trying them out in snow when I drive up to Tennessee this winter. I literally avoided driving in stormy weather with my OEM Toyos because they were so unpredictable in wet conditions.
I’m so happy that you like them. That’s the same experience I had with them. And it’s gonna last a long time too. Mine have 80+ thousand miles, and they definitely slip a lot more than they used to. But I’m remember when I got them brand new, for at least the first 30 or 40,000 miles, it felt like I had rat trap glue on my tires. I literally could not make them slide.
And I remember that sizzling sound they make when you cut through water standing on the road.
@@jakeofreshly Yes! They grip like crazy…and when I have to brake a bit more quickly than typical on wet pavement I’m not bracing for impact from sliding into the car in front of me! Glad to see you’ve gotten so much wear from them. Like you, I rotate my tires every 5K miles when I get my oil changed. Nice chatting with you!
I bought the CC2’s the first 3 weeks was dry weather, today is the first time I got to drive in rain, and slushy snow today in Utah. They rocked on dry, and they rock in water and snow. It’s serious peace of mind having these bad boyz mounted. I have a VW TDI and it’s true I don’t see the 50+ mpg as much as I used too.
Isn't it such a comfort knowing you have these on here when it rains or when it snows? It's such a comfort isn't it brother.
I mean once you actually have to drive through some bad weather and get to feel what these are capable of, it's so comforting in the back of your mind to know You won't get snuck up on by a surprise hydroplane.
And really? You think you've seen a little loss in fuel efficiency?, How much
@@jakeofreshly 100% brother.
@@wallybrown9509 Your experiencing any fuel efficiency problems yet? Or is it kicking ass still
@@jakeofreshly I just got these babies put on my 2012 CT200h. Everything was better than my old set of mxv4 except mpg like you've said. I usually average around 48-50 during warm to mild weather. It's still 80 F in Texas in December, but I'm now averaging just around 44-47 mpg.
@@noblekitty that is kind of crazy though how it knocks down a couple of miles per gallon. You're still getting crazy ridiculous fuel efficiency. I'm in the '20s. So I don't get anything like hybrids or electric vehicles. But still that's crazy how it seems to be pretty consistent across everybody on the platform
Really like these criticims. Honest and objective and not click baity.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate that. You can tell from my subscriber base, I'm a new TH-camr. And to be honest with you I've been wanting to do TH-cam forever, but I just never really had anything that I could call an area of expertise.
I have a weird history. I was born on a farm. I was a pipe welding apprentice for 5 years. Eventually got a full scholarship to college and have an accounting degree and a master's in business administration. I worked as a firearm salesman for 3 years and a CPA for 3 years. Currently I'm an engineer and I manage teams of engineers. I ran a long business for 7 years. So I have a really weird and diverse set of skills.
But for some reason, it seems like they all kind of tie together when I'm talking about the engineering of hardworking equipment. Did I really appreciate you saying that
I never thought I would make it this far with this. But I'm happy where I'm at if I never move an inch forward because it seems like I've added just a small, tiny amount of value to a couple of people through my videos. Thank you for watching
I just bought these today! They are amazing. I’ve waiting for the negatives
I just do this video up here because there's certain things you notice after about 3 months. But you can tell from my last point that I absolutely love what I'm doing with them. These are the best tires I ever bought
Where are you from by the way?
@@jakeofreshly I just got the tires friday. Im here in New York. Im waiting the snow. We just had a bad wind storm and rain and jesus you are right. These Tires shred and grip in the rain like no ones business. I was getting off ramps at like 60 mph around bends with my honda civic like it wasnt even raining.
@@Solo-gx2xc So this is funny. I was just up in New York for about 5 days to tour the city and see Hamilton. But I did not dare to drive, because I've been there before and I know you guys drive crazy!. So I know what your weather's looking like lol I just have no clue how to drive there lol because I would get destroyed by all of the honking horns and I would probably get terrified driving up there lol.
Moral of that stupid story. You need every little bit of help you can get lol.
And yeah I know I had to make some stupid sound effects and use some ridiculous, wordy details. But it's hard to describe these things in the rain. If you drive a dirt bike, it's almost like getting brand new knobby tires on your dirt bike. Or if You have a four wheeler come it's like getting some gorilla silver backs on your four wheeler..
These things are ridiculous in the rain
@@Solo-gx2xc In the rain is just amazing.
My brother, be safe for the next two weeks though lol because you have this two week high once you buy these and you become Steve-O / Evel Knievel. And you're really dangerous because you're overly confident. Try to make it through the first two weeks without killing yourself my brother
I bought Michelin Cross Climate first-generation tires almost four years ago.
Yes from day one I thought they are noisy and not as good for fuel economy as my previous Michelin all-season tires, but the best fuel mileage I ever got on my manual 2006 Toyota Corolla was when I did a round trip from Vancouver Canada to San Francisco and back, in the October of 2019. The fuel mileage average for the whole trip was 5.5 litres per 100 kilometres or 42 Miles per gallon. With those tires, I don't need a set of winter tires. The best tires I ever had.
Dude I agree. Man they do drop mileage a little bit. But brother if you are looking for a quality tire with good grip and poor weather condition control, these are the only options.
@@jakeofreshly Yes, on the west coast of Canada we get a good share of rain storms and occasionally cold and short winter weather. Maybe I have a feeling that the gas mileage on my car dropped slightly only because that's what the other people claim. As I said, my best-ever recorded gas mileage happened on my last long trip three years ago.
Sadly it looks like Michelin doesn't offer any more Cross Climate tires for smaller rims than 16-inch.
How are they treating you so far?
@@jakeofreshly They have been the best tires I have ever owned by far for the climate where I live, on the West Coast of Canada or anywhere else in the Pacific Northwest, Washington State, or Oregon State.
Unfortunately, I got rear-ended last November and my super reliable 2006 Corolla was completely destroyed.
I was going to buy a set of new Cross Climate tires for my wife Yaris but Michelin doesn't offer those tires in smaller sizes than 205/55R 16.
@@MrCROBosanceros oh dude that's horrible to hear. That sucks. Oh well, at least you're okay. Nobody really cares about tires anyway. As long as you're safe
Between the stock bridgestone tires on my CX-30 turbo and these I think there is roughly a 1 mpg mileage difference. Road noise I think is about the same, wet performance is certainly better, and dry traction and sidewall flex seems quite a bit better.
Yeah it's pretty consistent with the mileage loss it seems like. And that was a huge huge huge hit for me because I'm a mileage junkie. So I basically do everything I possibly can to get better mileage on my vehicle like it's a video game. So that hit me hard. But it's well worth it. When I'm driving through the rain or when there's a lot of water on the streets... There's no other suggestion and no other comparison
@@jakeofreshly Yeah my drive everyday is just under 2 hours of primarily highway driving so I feel you on the mileage part. Typically get an average of 29 mpg with about 21 city and 32-34 highway. Think with the stock bridgestone tires I was able to get 30 average more regularly.
@@ZWortek yeah that's kind of what happened with me. I know I said this before, but I have a 2019 Mazda CX-5 with two-wheel drive. And I have driven 70 plus thousand miles in the past two years. The first year I drove 48,000 mi. So I drive a lot
I have about a 70 mile round trip to and from work. But the main reason I had up so much mileage is because I live about 300 miles from my parents and I go and see them a couple times a month. If I'm lucky. So I can put 700 miles on in a weekend like nothing
Moral of the story is I used to see 29.4 mi per gallon all the time. I really have to push it and be easy on it and go a little bit slower if I want to see 28 now
@@ZWortek it's not horrible or anything. It's just about a mile or two less and for somebody like me, I played mileage I could game. So it hurts lol
@@jakeofreshly Yeah agreed
Best tires I have ever owned, best grip in snow and ice I’ve ever experienced in non studded tires. I have a Yukon Denali and get 20-21 miles per gallon in this big truck. Will absolutely replace these tires with the same thing unless something better comes along, but I doubt it, Michelle knocked it out of the park with these..
Brother you have to check out my most recent video. I have driven these damn things 85,000 Mi and I measured the tread. Just to save you some time, I have over half the tread life on them. But that's totally unrelated
What I wanted to know is how are they in the rain? I have used these, and I literally questioned why the government doesn't regulate all tires be built like this because there's such a night and day difference.
Also, thanks for watching my video. You rock
My Mercedes GLC has Cross Climate 1 SUV that I had fitted in 2017. They have 32,000 miles on them and are due for replacement soon. I've been pleased with them - no complaints. I was going to replace them like-for-like, but noticed the new version.
I'd be interested in hearing comments from anybody who has changed from the '1' version to the '2'.
The 2 has better snow grip, better then most winter tyres. Slightly less summer-ish feeling tyre
Help his out guys! @drdomestos needs some help.
I went ahead anyway. After speaking to Michelin they recommended the Mark 2 as they said has better snow grip with no significant negatives. They also said the Mark 2 will be the only choice going forwards anyway.
I've only changed 2 tyres to the Mark 2 so far, but haven't noticed any difference in noise, grip, or MPG.
Man, still loving your choice?
@@jakeofreshly Yes, I just very recently replaced the other 2 CC1's that I had moved to the front when I got the CC2's. They were down to about 3mm and had just under 40,000 miles on them. I've replaced them with two more CC2's. Haven't had much snow for the last few years, so haven't been able to test any of the CC's in snow. Being an all-weather tyre, the CC's did sort out the tyre skipping (crabbing) on my GLC though. Haven't really noticed any difference now that I have all CC2's - it's early days yet, so will report back if MPG changes.
I also noticed an mpg drop in my 2014 Honda Accord Sport 6 speed manual on the Michelin CC2. I was averaging 28 and it dropped to 27/26.5. However, they are comfortable, fairly quiet, and good grip on different surfaces and seasons.
100% yours is better than =mine. But it is worth it, isn’t it
If you don't live in a winter climate area, these are a waste of money. I'm in the Midwest and we get plenty of snow and they do well. If I lived in Texas I wouldn't waste my money in these
Do you have any reasons why you wouldn't waste your money on these? So my biggest reason would definitely be fuel efficiency if you were considered about 2 mi per gallon or so. But with the price of gas, that is a really big deal for some people.
Also, the price is ridiculous for me. I can get a decent set of tires for half the price, but it seems like other people can find a cheap set. I just can't.
But I can totally understand where you're coming from. I don't know if I would say a waste of money. Because these things have phenomenal performance and traction. Especially in Alabama where we have the highest rain percentage next to Seattle. So they definitely have good performance and safety factor. But for snow, they never get tested down here for sure.
Great video, you sold me on these tires!
Hahaha I wish I had some sort of promo you could use to get some money. Lol totally unsponsored, so I hope it helped
Loved your review on the CrossClimate2! Thank you.
I'm new to cars and expecially tires and I live in Vancouver and really like the concept of all season tires that you don't have to worry throughout the year once you put them on. I know these tires perform exceptionally well on the snow. But how about dry and conditions. Vancouver has a mild winter climate with mostly raining and rarely gets snow.
Will this be still a better choice when compared to a proper summer & winter tire set ?
So I can actually give you a little opinion on this. I was driving Toyo tires that came standard on my Mazda CX-5 when I bought it brand new. One thing different about these tires is that they have a deep deep tread pattern. and I mean deep. You can basically stick your finger in between the little tracks and it's about one knuckle deep.
The cool thing about this is they are cut to be the same exact tread pattern all the way until they are wore down until 3/32 of an inch. So imagine you wear these tires for 50,000 mi, to have the exact same tread pattern as I did the day you got them brand new. same grip
now here's what was weird about all the other tires, including my Toyo tires. after the first 5,000 mi, the grip is totally wore off and you are reduced to the major structures of the tire design.
to put it simply, there's a lot of little lines and little squigglies and little bumps on the tire surface when you buy it brand new. but after about a thousand miles, all of those little bitty things wear off and the little bumps wear off and a little tiny grooves wear off in your left with a basic tire.
these are different. and just if you want to talk about the grip alone, I would say the grip wears off of a regular tire after a couple of thousand miles. I have always driven Firestone and Bridgestone and Goodyear if I have the money. and that's one thing I would compare when looking at these tires would be the depth of the tread pattern. and try to imagine what a set of Goodyear tires would look like after 2,000 mi and all of the little details of wore off.
whereas my tires I've driven about 16,000 miles on them so far and they look brand new.
I like to think of them like tractor tires. If you've ever seen tractor tires, you can imagine you can wear the tires down pretty bad and they will still have really aggressive grip. That's what they feel like to me
now that was a little wordy and I just wanted to scrape the simple physics and design of the tire. but let's talk about my opinion.
To be short and sweet, these tires have the best grip I've ever had on a vehicle in my life. I'm not exactly sure how they do that with so much of the surface area missing on the tire face. but it's phenomenal.
for example, if I was going uphill and had to stop for a stop sign. I would stop the vehicle and then when the light turns green I would accelerate. A lot of times when I accelerated, either the left or the right tire would slip because I was going up a hill and I did not have much grip.
another thing that would happen is the same situation call makes up you have to turn left or right. So you are going up a hill, and then you have to press breaks at the stoplight. The light turns green, and then you turn left. I would always skid my tire when I did that. something about being a front-wheel drive and a SUV that is heavy in the rear end, but it would always slip and slide during dry conditions.
One more thing, if I were ever in the situation where I had to floor the vehicle. for example I'm pulling out of a grocery store and I have to get onto a busy street, it would skid. You pull out onto the road and you punch the accelerator while you are turning the vehicle, and no matter what the tires would squeal.
THAT NEVER HAPPENS ANYMORE. I mean real world daily driving, that does not happen anymore.
and those have to be the highest intensity situations these tires experience. when I'm driving 50 and I have to go around and interstate on ramp or off ramp, I never worry about my tires. They have absolutely phenomenal grip.
So that was super wordy. but in short I want to say yes they have phenomenal grip. that is by far the best aspect of these tires and by far drowns all the negative parts of this tire for me. If you can't tell, I am madly in love with my tires and I feel like these should be mandated on the all vehicles
@@jakeofreshly Thanks Jake for taking the time to reply. You've cleared all my doubts I had with this tire. Getting them fitted next week. Thanks again!
@@PicoPianist for sure! and keep in mind, I'm not sponsored by these guys so I'm not getting paid. I wish I was getting paid for selling these lol. that would be nice!!!
but in short, they have more grip in dry conditions than any tire I have driven. maybe there are some other tires out there that beat them. but I have never driven them before.
and then when you talk about traction in the rain... it's like being on a different planet.
let me know what you end up thinking about them when you end up getting them! It would be cool to hear if anything I said about these tires translate to your experience!!!!!!!
True I was disappointed in my mpg, I was hoping with brand new tires I'd see better mileage, but the pros outweigh that. I drive in snow/slush/rain no problem.
How many MPG did you lose?
. You were going so slow that big rig was going to ram your ass. You need to be more situationally aware. If you're going slower than the big rigs, theatre is a problem.
I was going 60 and a 65. I don't drive fast. And I stay in the far right lane.
Partially for safety, and partially because I used to drive Uber and I would lose a lot of tips if I sped. And partially for fuel efficiency..
Thanks for watching though lol You have a good attention to detail
Just because I know this is probably annoying to watch, this is a four-lane highway and I'm in the far right lane. Nobody passing me is getting into the passing lane. Just for emotional reassurance lol
@@jakeofreshly I was just worried about your safety. Those rigs are over 100k lbs.
@@LuckyNikitaBoba yeah 100%. I went back and looked at the video and I saw exactly what you're talking about. It looks like I'm hogging the right lane and making the semi trucks have to get into the passing lane to pass me. But like I said, it's just the camera angle. This was a four-lane highway and I was all the way in the far right.
Like I said , you have very good attention to detail.
I got a set on my 23 Camry XSE with a 2.5 lit I got no complaints. My last set of tires had me white knuckling it in the rain.(I live on top of the blue ridge mountains so rain can be crazy here)
Oh brother, you are the best. Thank you so much for watching and commenting my videos.
I actually just did a video recently where I crossed over 85,000 mi. And I have over half the tread depth left. So these things are still cooking, and really loading the scales towards these
In regards to tire rotation: A directional tire will have an arrow on the sidewall indicating proper orientation, there is no need to determine it by actually inspecting the tread. If you do mount a directional tire incorrectly, it's not going to destroy the tire. You will just get worse traction in the wet and possibly more road noise. Odd a tire installer gave you the wrong information on this basic tire knowledge. It would make me question their experience. If you really want to rotate a directional tire in the crossing style like you would a nondirectional tire, you have to dismount all 4 and remount in the opposite direction. This is really unnecessary though and a waste of time and money if you are paying someone to do it.
Yeah I asked to do a ship about that and they said they haven't cross-rotated a set of tires in over a decade. Even for non-directional tires. For liability issues and just for best practices. So after talking to them, I realized they've been rotating my tires the same way no matter what. It's just an old school method my dad taught me
Vivo en Georgia,USA …. Poca nieve y más lluvia… me recomiendan estas llantas ? Se miran innovadoras
Hey buddy. I'm sorry, but my Spanish is not that great. I will text some stuff, and see if Google translate can translate it for you
I freaking recommend these everyday.. I have about seven or eight videos on these tires, and It is hard to find problems with these tires. I am not receiving any money and I am not sponsored by them. But I have never had a tire like this before. It totally changes everything you know about vehicles and traction.
Hey amigo. Lo siento, pero mi español no es muy bueno. Enviaré un mensaje de texto con algunas cosas y veré si el traductor de Google puede traducirlo por usted.
Los recomiendo todos los días. Tengo alrededor de siete u ocho videos sobre estos neumáticos, y es difícil encontrar problemas con estos neumáticos. No estoy recibiendo ningún dinero y no estoy patrocinado por ellos. Pero nunca antes había tenido un neumático como este. Cambia totalmente todo lo que sabes sobre vehículos y tracción.
I live in Alabama, USA. And I do not experience much snow at all. So you might ask why I would buy snow tires when I do not have snow? The advantages and grip and traction and safety are so great, it doesn't matter if it snows or not. I get so much value from these tires. They are amazing in the rain and amazing for driving every day.
I recommend these to everybody. I do not care if they have snow or not. They ARE WORTH IT JUST FOR THE RAIN AND SAFETY ALONE!!!
Vivo en Alabama, Estados Unidos. Y no experimento mucha nieve en absoluto. Entonces, podría preguntarse por qué compraría neumáticos para nieve cuando no tengo nieve. Las ventajas, el agarre, la tracción y la seguridad son tan grandes que no importa si nieva o no. Obtengo mucho valor de estos neumáticos. Son increíbles bajo la lluvia y sorprendentes para conducir todos los días.
Recomiendo estos a todo el mundo. No me importa si tienen nieve o no. ¡¡¡VALEN LA PENA SOLO POR LA LLUVIA Y LA SEGURIDAD!!!
Do not trust the vehicle's fuel computer, you should manually calculate your fuel mileage every time you refuel.
So not doubting you, but why do you say that? I can understand sometimes it could be wrong, especially in older vehicles. but would you not trust a Mazda 2019 computer?
personally, I divide the miles per tank by the amount of gallons I pump in every time. So I do what you say. but it seems that it always comes out to be what my fuel efficiency odometer tells me. So maybe mine is accurate?
My fuel computer has never been right.
@@jeffreyknowles6265 You know one thing I noticed is if you hold down the pin on the left hand side of the odometer and check the mileage on the fuel tank, it will give you a different mileage if you used to meter versus the number. It's very inaccurate. For example, you can drive 10 mi down the street and the miles per tank will go up
@@jakeofreshly I have a 2015 Ford F150 Super Cab, on my fuel computer there's no pin to push, it's just a switch on the steering wheel.
@@jeffreyknowles6265 hey I'm sorry bro. I was thinking you had a Mazda like mine. Don't know what I was thinking. Lol.
I can't even imagine a set of these on the F-150
I like that they handle rain and water well as I don't like to slow down on the hwy or let big trucks spray me with all the water coming off the truck as they pass me. I have hydroplaned a couple of times at 65-70mph when I had tires that don't handle water very well. Can't imagine driving around with worm out tires...lol
Oh man I know what you mean. I have so many stories, but it's hard to tell them to people without sounding ignorant and dangerous. For example, it will be raining so hard that people will be pulled off on the side of the road under a bridge, where they will be driving 40 mph or slower on the interstate with their blinkers on. And I will be in the fast lane going 70 at full speed, and what others would consider whiteout conditions. With a little rainX, some good windshield wipers, and the CC2'S, I HAVE NEVER FELT that I was in a bind or in a dangerous position.
Like I said, it sounds a little dangerous when you're flying past people at double the speed. But I can guarantee you I'm safer than they are on there worn out, bald, standard summer tires.
Also, all that micro tread and micro patterning on those traditional tires wear off in a month or a thousand miles or so. And then you're left with belts and strips. Whereas these tires are full depth tread pattern. And they are just as good the first day as they are the first year.
I'm at the risk of sounding dangerous, I totally understand what you're saying. I don't like slowing down on the highway and getting whited out by trucks. But I don't have to anymore
TH-cam link to hydroplaning storm chasers.
th-cam.com/video/mtFLBj7YrGo/w-d-xo.html
hahah man just got around to seeing this. You the man
If you really cared about MPG, you would start getting a vehicle that does more than 40 MPG.
Ummm. Not sure how to respond to that.. I do care about it, a lot. I promise you. Lol. But they don’t have one with 40+ MPG that has what I need in a vehicle. But then again, why 40MPG?
Even with shity tires I'm always jumping the puddles, lol it's fun.
I ended up buying the Bridgestone Weatherpeak since the cross climates don't come in 15". I'm waiting on my Costco appointment to get installed.
Dude fore sure let me know when you get them on!
I bought weather peaks instead of cross climates because of the cross climates gravel retention and directional tread. Weather peaks are almost as good at accelerating in the snow and stop better than the cross climates. The weather peaks are smooth and quiet and can have normal rotation. To each their own.
@@dentalnovember Ehhh I might give them a try the next go around. I’m not sure that will ever happen though. I just did a video after 85,000 miles driving these tires. I had a tread gauge and actually measured several of the tires. And I still have more than 50% of the tread left on the tire.
So I would try a new set, but it looks like I am going to go well over 100k miles on these… Might wear the car out first. lol
Thanks Jake
I am finally getting to test out these tires with my Mazda CX 5 AWD Turbo Carbon Edition in the snow. We are going to Lake Tahoe for a week on December 22. Tahoe has a good amount of fresh snow.
Oh my god I'm so jealous of you. So you have the all-wheel drive version, and I did not get that version because I was scared of the loss in fuel efficiency. But after having my vehicle, I can honestly tell you that the difference between 27 miles per gallon and 26 miles per gallon is absolutely nothing. I don't know if I bought this car right after I got my job... So I was feeling really poor. Or what happened. But I did not get the all-wheel drive version and I really regret it.
You have to let me know how the test drive goes. Especially in lake Tahoe. I know I love these to death, but I can only imagine what it would feel like if all four of the tires were pulling. Also, you're going to need to really test them in some cool areas. So I'm jealous of you.
Let me know how my Mazda CX-5 cousin does
@@jakeofreshly
Thank you ,
Since I only put on a little under 1k a month in driving miles, fuel efficiency is not very important for me. With the AWD , Cross Climates and a Cross Bar rack on top of my car , mileage will drop and outside noise is a bit heavy which I totally do not mind since the CX5 has 12 Bose Speakers .
As for the snow and icy conditions , these AWD Mazdas and Cross Climates will not take kindly to snow chains .
I do not anticipate I will need them in Tahoe as the big blizzard is coming this week and it may snow lightly when we are there during Christmas week
@@kazmaitalia8796 see that's what I wish I thought when I bought my car. When I bought my vehicle, I just thought a mile or two per gallon was the whole world. I don't know if I was broke or it was because I just bought a house and I had a poor person's mindset. I really don't know why I was thinking that way. But I was flipping out substantially about fuel efficiency.
I really really regret that I did that. Because at the end of the day, doesn't make that big of a deal. 25 miles per gallon plus is fantastic for an SUV.
And I really lost a lot of luxury and creature comforts by not picking the all-wheel drive version. So I regret it so bad man. I don't know why I was flipping out about it back in the day. Totally not worth it now after having it for 2 years and 63,000 mi
@@kazmaitalia8796 and the same with me lol Bose speakers all over the place. It's nice to talk to a fella Mazda person. They have these things really nice for the price.
And that's sick. Like I truthfully don't even trust the snow peak symbol. But I've never have to driven through snow and I've never had a pair of snow tires. I've never put on a pair of chains before either. Because I'm in Alabama. So I'm not sure how much of a difference it would be, because I'm skeptical.
That's why it's really nice to hear from people like you how the vehicle doesn't snow. I really hope it lives up to what it says, but I don't think I'll ever get the opportunity to test it. I'll have to vicariously live through you guys
7:12 LOL just got these today and it rained on my way home from work, was going 75 passing everyone just for the sake of my owning these tires 😂
😳😳😳😅😅😅 I told you man lol you got to watch out. It's like getting a new dirt bike for the first couple weeks. You going to want to try and see how long you can ride a wheelie.
But man, I've been doing that for 2 years. I'll be going 75 or 80 in what I would assume are whiteout conditions for everybody else. People will have their emergency flashers on and they'll be on the side of the road. And I'm just hauling ass.
It's loud when you run through those mud puddles though. It's like the water splashes on the undercarriage of the car or something. I know the tires direct the water out. But it's really loud when you hit puddles compared to normal tires
I just put these tires on my car. I don't have any mileage to measure because it's a Nissan Leaf (full EV). However, right away I had better acceleration which I attribute to lower rolling resistance. I personally don't get any road noise. Someone else told me they started to get road noise on the highway after 40K miles or so. They HAVE to rotate front-to-back and back-to-front because otherwise the tread pattern (water channels) will be backwards. If the water channel are backward, the tread will push the water towards the center of the tire (instead of away from the tire), guaranteeing that you will hydroplane. My tires were expensive but I attribute that to the fact they are 17" rims. Smaller tires are cheaper.
That is good to hear! I have heard some negative things from people in the EV crowd!
I actually enjoyed this video BUT are they good in snow for FWD car??
They sure are. I have taken them through all types of snow. Just took the CX5 to Banff and Jasper… tons and tons of snow. Trucks slipping and sliding everywhere, but I just chugged along.
Did you notice a bumpier ride? I recently bought a set and the ride is vertically bumpy. I have a subaru crosstrek and it was a smooth ride before these tires. Had the tires rebalanced a couple times too. Alignment is fine, brakes are fine.
So honestly, nothing like that. How bad would you say it is, personally? It must be pretty bad because you went and got it checked a couple of times
How do the CC-2s compare to the stock tires? I just replaced a set of stock Geolander G91Fs on my Crosstrek. They had less than 22,000 mile on them and little wear. These have been the worst tires I have ever driven in the rain. I discovered hydroplaning and why we need ABS braking.
Forget the tyres we need a review of the hair care routine and products you use.
Hahahahah my girlfriend suggested that a few times.
Probably need to start a tick too
Most people would be buying these for winter, which would go time wise with when gas stations switch to winter fuel which lowers fuel economy a few percent. So if you are in the September-May time period you can't compare the fuel economy results with summer grade fuel months.
Also its recommended to not believe the car's readout of fuel economy and instead figure it out manually at each fuel up. My 21 Pilot reports 25-28mpg on average when actually it's 1.5-2.5mpg lower than that.
I've actually had them about a year and I've used them consistently. I'm really really methodical and detailed about things, and one thing I can say is I've definitely accounted for the changes in gas.
Don't get me wrong, I love the tires. I feel bad talking about them, but I have to be honest. I wish I didn't use more fuel, but they do consistently.
As far as all the signs and technology, I'm sure there's tons of logic and argument of why these would be better. But they're just plain and simply not
Directional tread is what it's called. Never swap sides, only swap back to front and front to back.
Amen to that. Turns out, all shops do that to all tires, regardless of directionality, for the past 2 decades
Have falken wildpeak at on my cx5 and put 65k miles on em. Really agressive looking tire with the same benefits youve mentioned with your crossclimates. The winter driving has been insane and wet/dry is great! They are rated for 65k and i drive like an idiot. I could probably get another 5-10k on the tread so very durable. Was thinking about the crossclimates but ill probably go back to the falkens. Thanks for the opinon
Hahah understood! I drive like a grandpa, so I am not sure how they would hold up if I was always speedy! I imagine it would be just fine, but still. Wouldn’t want to stick my neck out on something Idon’t know. I’ll check your tires out in a few minutes.
#1 quality I look for in a tire is hydroplane resistance. Snow, you're going slow, rain, you're going fast.
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That's literally the only part of these tires that matter.
Yeah I just got a set of defenders and love them but wish I had got the cross climates
Have you gotten them yet?
Have these on my 2019 Rav4 Adventure about 55k miles, 1: notice 1-2 mpg lower, 2: vehicles is already Noisy but notice slight noice at low speed and high speed so agree. 3: rotation is normal cuz their one directional, went through about 3 alignments. Exceptional when raining, dry, snow, off-road, sleet handling. love tires to death but thinking of trying continental crosscontact lx25.
It sounds like we think the exact same about these tires, but I might be a little more sold on them lol
@@jakeofreshly im near the end of the life of my tires and i have gotten like 6-7 flats, i think it easily picks up screws, nails, even post staples of the ground and into the tire, have you had any similar issues?
Oh man. I actually did that video on the 85k miles. And I have a few new tires. I hit a curb. I had one pick up what can only be called a “spike” and got another screw in one.
I do a lot of real estate though, so I chalked it up to driving properties… it might have been the tires.
Spark plug wear can noteably affect fuel economy as well. A good MAF sensor cleaning might help as well.
Man it's been so directly correlated with the tires. I just did an 80000 me video, and I could switch to other tires to prove the point beer but I think I'm going to buy these again, because it never really was an issue to start with
Have you tested to odometer accuracy with the tires? My gas mileage went up but the speedometer seems to be showing higher miles per hour. I'm wondering if the tire diameter is a little smaller from last tires.
Still don't understand are you saying get these tires or not?
Oh I love them. I wouldn't trade them for the world. I've had them for 2 years and $75,000 mi, and we're still going. Totally love them.
I've often thought that as well. If you change the ratio of the tire, it should change the odometer and the speedometer.
Last Sunday in a hilly, northern Ontario, Canada at 26 F we got 2" of freezing rain and 30 MPH gusting wind. The road was pack with 2" of sold dense wet ice in few hours and than in the evening hour mixed of heavy rain and freezing rain came down together with gusting wind when I needed to go out. Not the kind of weather I would ever go out in the OE Micheline Energy Saver A/S before but With CrossClimate 2 that has 10,000 miles since this March I was able to drive through this horrible and unsafe weather safely up and down deep hills. Few area where the tires slide a bit are the same places my Micheline X-Ice Xi3 had slide before.
Huge benefit on safety, stability, comfort as well as I always set my tire pressure at 43psi for years (34psi by factory), The OE Micheline Energy Saver A/s delivers 57.5 MPG in the warm seasons and 50 MPG "UNSAFELY" in the winter. Micheline X-Ice Xi3 with KIA Optima hybrid rims delivers 56.5 MPG in winter seasons. Cross Climate 2 delivers 61 MPG in the warm seasons and 56.5 in winter with no additional cost of time and money to swap the tires.
The decreasing MPG for HEV/PHEV in the winter seasons is because the ICE engine needs to be fired up time to time to keep the engine oil warm for immediate acceleration at anytime. The real MPG KILLER is the usage of heater that requires about 1300W to power the heating element (same as the household plug-in electric heater) which is produced through drawing more current from the alternator on conventional car or the battery pack through the ICE on HEV/PHEV since most of them are not equipped with timing belt, alternator belt or an alternator. If the vehicle is equip with heated seats and heated steering wheel which uses only about 30W as well as keeping the cabin temperature a little bit lower will increase the MPG easily.
Okay so this is perfect. I remember speaking to you earlier, and I really really really wanted to get your comments about how these tires would perform in the snow. As you remember, I'm in Birmingham Alabama and we only see snow every 2 or 3 years. We have blizzards every 10 years or so that shut the city down, but it's probably only an inch of snow. We're just not used to it.
And I remember asking you to give me an update once you went through the snow. This is absolutely perfect. Obviously because I may not get the chance, but this is so cool to hear this.
And honestly what you're saying makes a lot of sense. I'm actually kind of surprised, from what it seems like you say these tires have performed the best in the summer and winter for miles per gallon and fuel efficiency? That's really interesting to hear.
Also, 1300 watts is ridiculous amount of power. Absolutely ridiculous about a power. I can understand why it would drain the battery. I couldn't even imagine having a space heater on sucking life out of the battery in the first place.
The space heater or hair dryer are usually about 1100W ~ 1800W; however, no one would pay attention to that because they are plugged into the wall without the need of refueling so most people would not think twice turning them on
agreed there
Mellow and informative, thank you my friend.
Man, super happy to hear that! Lol. I like the mellow part. I didn’t go for that, but I will take it!
So you would recommend these over budget tires even considering the cost?
Sorry for the late response. 100%. And I am not even sponsored! Lol
Sorry for the late response. 100%. And I am not even sponsored! Lol
Sorry for the late response. 100%. And I am not even sponsored! Lol
I also hear that the life of the tires are better than most other tires.
100%. Several weeks ago I did a $27,000 review. And if you watch those, it looks absolutely brand new. I actually even measure the depth of the tire and then compare them to my 4,000 mi review depth. And my tires are basically brand new
I had some really weird stuff with somebody in the comments you said they were a pair of these out in 23,000 mi... I just can't believe that, and I don't believe that. Because I literally have a review at 27,000 mi and a tires look brand new.
I think they're guaranteed for 50 or 60,000 mi. So if you wear those suckers out they'll send you a new pair. So even less to worry about
I love them BUT after 2 years on the rear axle, and having rotated, 2 years on the front axle, the tread blocks started peeling off, even with 3-4mm of tread depth left. I did not expect such sudden degradation although admittedly my summers are very hot.
I’m about to do a 75,000 mile review. So their last in great for me, and I travel a lot.
I bought a new Subaru Crosstrek six months ago, came with Geolandar G91 tires.
They sound like a Huebsch front-load clothes washer with a bad spin bearing.
I'm going to Michelins when the time comes. Sooner rather than later.
Make sure to let me know what you think when you get them. I'll be interested to see if you like them
Noise and harshness will depend on the speed rating of H vs V where V rated is a harder compound. The H rated are much quieter. Good up to 120mph.
Yea, even so it is not really that noticeable anyway. I have had them 75k miles, and there hasn’t been a problem
I think I still need a set of these boots for my girl, though. I suspected the road noise with that slight tractor look to em'.
Thanks, Jake, great video
That's one thing I've kind of consistently said throughout my videos. I even said it in my most recent video about the five things that I like about these tires. Number one is safety. And I think if money's not an issue, and you're buying these for somebody that you love (spouse, parents, children, etc) then to me it is a no-brainer. If you look at my problems, a lot of them are not issues. Minor sound issues. Losing one or two miles per gallon. A little bit expensive. But if you looking at safety and you have them for somebody that you love, it's a no-brainer. These are the safest, truest tires on the market to me. Without even looking at durability or traction or anything, these are by far the safest.
And my most recent video I talked about the clout and community for these tires. I have Instagram, and I posted a picture of my tires and it got more likes than any picture I posted of my face... So that should tell you all you need to know about the tractor tires lol they look dope
@@jakeofreshly they are beautiful tires! Thanks for the reply!
@@coolahalic You know what's funny. I did a video on the five things that I love about these tires. And these little extra bonus item I threw in at the end was the clout in the community of these tires. I absolutely love the community.
I took a picture of these tires and stuck them on my Instagram, and they got the most likes of any picture I took last year. So people like looking at these cool tractor tires more than they like looking at my face lol
That means I'm really ugly or the tires are really pretty lol so I'm going to pad my ego and just say these tires are beautiful.
So I couldn't agree more!
Great video, thanks! Answered a lot of questions I had.
Are there any questions I didn't answer? And thank you so much. This means so much to me. This is why I do videos like this is for people like you
Something to consider when choosing replacement tires. OEM tires are chosen by vehicle manufacturers for one reason over all others, for their ability to have a quiet smooth ride, and increased fuel economy. It sells more new cars, gets their new cars to pass CAFE standards easier, and makes the average new car owner overall happy with their new vehicle purchase. Rarely are OEM tires chosen for their ability to handle wet, snow, dry handling, performance, or traction in any conditions. This is why you will see the majority of OEM tires on most vehicles, being specific smooth quiet touring tires, or in the case of trucks and offroad SUVs, very average AT/HT type tires. I just got my first set of Cross Climate 2's to replace some OEM type touring tires (Bridgestone Dueler HP) that went from almost 3/4 tread to almost on the wear bars in one year on my 2019 Honda pilot, with regular tire rotations, religious up keep on the tire pressures, and I dont abuse my vehicle or tires one bit.
Thanks for your video. Im trying to decide if settling on these since x-ice isnt currently available. Unfortunately, have 2 new X-Ice for a car i no longer own.
Goodyear had an eagle aqua tread in the 90s. Very similar tread pattern. Excellent for water and Rocky Mountains snow, although they were not touted for snow.
Like you, i noticed a good 2 mpg loss (ford probe GT) that previously got around 27 hwy (if i drove speed limit). In the VW tDI, which normally could get 48mpg cruising at 95 dropped to 44/mpg when i put the aqua treads on it.
I always said that they were my tank treads; let me go almost anywhere in bad weather. Sliced through deep water like speed boat, easily climb up hill in snow.
Have you tried the Bridgestone WeatherPeaks? Debating between those and the CrossClimate 2s.
No I haven't, but to be honest with you I'm not even sure if anything can compete with these tires. I'm not getting paid and I'm not a page spokesman. But these tires are just the best as far as safety and grip goes.
Just purchased these tires. Not on car yet. I read they should not be stored in an area if temperature drops into 30s. I was planning to store in an outside shed and don't have the convenience of a house basement. Is there any truth to that. I really enjoyed your video. Thanks John
Hahah thanks for watching! Man I am so happy that I have been able to help.
How are you liking them for the past few weeks?
Good honest review. I went with falken ziex ze960 as on my BMW Convertible.
Thanks for the good honest comment 😁
I tried not to be biased when I talk about these. And one of the biggest problems I think was fuel efficiency. I did another video on that. But honestly these are fantastic tires. And everything I'm talking about here is really nitpicky and doesn't change the decision that I think they're the best.
I definitely wanted to let people know what I thought about them.
You rock. Thank you for watching my video
i think they are so good with puddles because they have an oval not square contact patch - also of course the water channels and winter compound
100%. Man, it sounds so cool too when you hit the puddles. I was dangerous the first few weeks that I used them. Lol. Like getting new tires on a motorcycle.
Just priced a set 215 50 r17 950.00 a set this is February 2023 I think I'll pull the trigger on them they have a 60,000 mile guarantee so if they make it to 50 I'll be happy 😊
Mine just hit 75K. Video coming soon
Will these have bad wear in summer desert states like Utah, Texas, and Arizona?
I’ve got them in Alabama, and I have over 60k miles. Barely any wear
Well far as I know a cheap Michelin Tire doesn’t exist. Waiting for mine, ordered mine a couple days ago. I anticipated most of the things you discussed. Thanks for confirming! Usually go with Blizacks winter All season or touring in the summer. Hopefully this tire covers both.
Hey brother I hope so too. If you go look in the comments of this video
There is a guy from Sweden who has been driving these tires through the Swedish mountains at -20°C. And he said he no longer put studded tires or winter tires on his vehicle. He just drives these all year around
I’m from Alabama, and it doesn’t snow here much. So I’m basically testing these through tropical storms and hurricanes and flooded roads and interstate. But I’m not really going to experience much winter weather. But if you look at it, It seems like people are loving these for winter tires lol three peak approved
And you were right, these are not cheap. But I bought a vehicle with a signature package. And it has a 19 inch rims. And really when I go to Michelin, the only tires I had that would fit it is this. So because of my large rooms I’m pretty much stuck with a small selections of tires in the first place. Which makes him really expensive
@@jakeofreshlywell got a say I love mine. Finished my third season with them approximately 35,000 miles. Still performed very well in winter conditions (mountains of Colorado) plenty of tread left. Hopefully get one more winter out of them
@@raynman67 brother it is great to hear from you really. So funny news, I just did a video at 85,000 me where I pull out the tire tread measurement tool. I have over half the tread left. So I'm going to get at least a hundred thousand miles on these suckers
They are a bit noisier, but after 20,000 miles and having excellent dry and wet grip, I don't care about a little more noise. Snow traction was also great. Maybe not as grippy as a full dedicated snow tire.
Man, glad to hear from you about it. Keep us updated!
A lot of talk about price on them. I used to cringe at the price too, but what’s the cost of not having them? For me, in Michigan, these are god sent. There really is no need to have snow tires. I only have about 15k miles on mine, but I can clearly see they’re holding up better than any other tire I ever owned. How does Michelin manage to get longevity and all season traction from one tire? It has to be magic. And for performance minded people, these things grip dry roads like a summer tire. I make turns as though I’m on rails.
Man, I tell you one thing. We have had a miniature blizzard in texas, and probably had 500 to 1000 cars spun out all across the freeways and all across the bridges. These things were worth triple what I paid for them in the past 2 days alone
I put the Cross Climate 2 on my 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE in order to replace a set of Michelin Premier A/S Tyres worn to 3/32. Overall with a 50% mixed ratio of highway driving at 65 MPH and stop and go traffic lights, I have not had any measurable wear after 7,000 miles. With the earlier Primacy A/S tyres I averaged around 38.5 MPG. With the CC2, I average 36.5 to 37.2 MPG. While a little worse than the Premier A/S, well within the margin of change from a 3/32 tread depth to a full tread depth tyre. The cabin noise isn't bad in the Camry, the worst noise being from heavily worn asphalt. Noise from normal concrete highways and cross grooved concrete was very reasonable. Mind you, when the Premier A/S were worn below 5/32 their noise level increased dramatically. Traction from CC2 completely surpasses that of the Premier A/S. Even wet traction is much better let alone snow. Personally, the minor loss in fuel consumption and along with possible increase in noise is still an acceptable trade off over the dramatically;ly increased traction. Also, my CC2 are full tread tyres, 10/32 when new as compared the 8.5/32 tread depth you get from the Premier A/S, Primacy and other Michelin Tyres available in my size.
One thing I want to add. Concerning cross rotations, vehicles with suspension in good condition and proper wheel alignment will only require cross rotating of tyres if they are used frequently in heavy city driving involving lots of turns. Think of a NYC taxicab as a good example. In North America and Continental Europe, these vehicles will do a disproportionate amount of R/H turns, which causes increased tyre wear on the R/H side of the steering axle. In the British Countries, it will be the L/H side of the steering axle. Cross rotating helps to distribute this increased wear throughout all of the vehicle tyres. Most of us, in America at least, will spend 90% of our driving in straight line operations whether it be in the city or highway, thus negating the need for cross rotations.
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So here is actually a video I just did for my 40,000 mi review. I promise, no spam both viruses or anything like that. Just a video on TH-cam.
I have done reviews all the way from initial reviews all the way up to 25,000, and I could not see any distinguishable wear at all. The durability of these tires is insane. And it took all the way to 40,000 mi before I saw even the slightest wear.
However, that shouldn't matter. And it sounds like you know why, because you sound very knowledgeable on the subject. These are for tread patterns, and the tooling to make these is pretty expensive and unique. But they would maintain the exact same tread pattern basically until they are wore out. So durability really doesn't matter to that much.
Nonetheless, it is interesting to see because you don't want to spend a bunch of money and have your tires burn out. But these tires definitely are doable. I'm actually expecting to get probably 100,000 mi off of these. And then it is just an added bonus that they will maintain the same tread pattern all the way until they are wore out essentially.
And I also could not agree with you more. Although the mileage is a little worse (I have almost the exact same fuel efficiency loss as you. Just a mile to a mile and a half), any noise is slightly more, I don't see any reason not to get these. Those two factors when taken individually are very minor. And when coupled with the amazing, fantastic, superfluous, ridiculous, unbelievable traction of these tires it is really not an issue
I have tested them much more in the rain, as I live in the sunbelt and it rains everyday here. And I have tested them for some horrendous conditions such as tropical storms and whiteout rain. And these things have never let me down
Honestly I don't know if my traction control even works anymore because my tires are incapable of slipping. They're absolutely fantastic
So to come back around to the beginning, the problems with these tires are minor. And once you drive these for even just a little bit call me you'll realize that the benefits fastly outweigh the problems
How about the going from 0 to 60 mph performance.
I have Avalon XLE 2018 model. I feel it is taking more time now. Has anyone measured that yet ? I see higher RPM with CC2 to achieve the same performance.
Note: it is just two weeks now. Hardly 500 miles on it yet. In snow and wet weather I will give 5/5. But for high performance cars Is it good ?
@@bhupendra_s Anytime you install a new full tread depth tyre, you will see worse 0-60 times. Also, assuming you were replacing the OEM tyres, the CC2 will feel more sluggish due to their increased weight since many OEM tyres are generally much lighter in weight and have less tread depth in order to give better EPA Fuel Economy ratings.
I wish I had time on my hands like you do.
Man I wish I had time like I used to when I was doing these videos. I haven't done a video in a year, and it sucks. But that's what happens when you work 6 hours a day. I only did these videos to help people make a decision, but I haven't had time for that in a year
There is a trade off between tire grip and mpg, the less rolling resistance the less grip on the road. Directional tires get better mileage and tend to have better grip but must be rotated front to back. These tires are expensive but seem to be better built and engineered. Tires @re the only thing that stop the car and the stopping distance, on these tires are one of the best.
I think the trade is well worth it. Whenever it rains, and you have a whiteout, I can tell I am the only comfortable person on the road.
I have many customers with them and they also said they loose more mpg than you said and also said they are very loud.
That was my two biggest complaint. Honestly, the noise thing is just a stickler. But the MPG is not a lie. I promise
What would you recommend for cx30 in terms of noise reduction tires? Both summer and ( southern canadian) winters ?
So I took them up through banff, all the way up to Jasper before I got scared and turned around to avoid an 8hr traffic jam.
I saw all these big f150s that were spun out, and we were still good.
What year Mazda?
@@jakeofreshly 2020 GT
Yeah, I bought my brand new. And honestly, sound is nothing to worry about. I’ve had about eight vehicles in between a 2003 and a 1993. And all of those are significantly louder than when I bought my new Mazda. A lot of people complain about it. And it might go up a decibel or two. But nothing really. You should be more than good.
have had them on my tesla s now for 1 yr and still great and quiet
I had micheling and i don't liked is ok, but when i tried Continental much better for me the best, good video.
You know that is one thing I am coming to find out too. Honestly, there's so much pride involved in these tires. And my ego gets to work it wants to brag about them. I want to think that honestly, I've been trying to find a reason to hate these tires for 3 months and have not found it out yet. But these tires are truthfully fantastic.
The real test is going to be whether or not I would buy another set again... And to be honest with you I don't know. I'm a little bit on the fence about it. I'm kind of like you. I don't drive a semi truck so I'm not on the road all year. I do not drive for a living. So I only drive when I need to.
Now for sure, I want to be the safest I can be when I'm driving. But at the same time, there are some things you have to give up with these tires. Specifically a lot of money in fuel efficiency. And I'm not so sure I would buy another set.
I honestly have been looking for a reason to hate these tires for months, and I cannot find good reasons. I can get really picky and find one or two things that are not optimal. But I really cannot find a reason to hate them.
That being said, I have several reasons to really like them. I'm just not sure it would be worth it on the next time. On the next time, I may just go ahead and get a set of good years and enjoy 30 miles per gallon for 75,000 miles and call it a day.
Basically I'm saying I love these tires and I really cannot find a reason to hate them. But at the end of the day, I would probably just do like you and get a set of good years for about 60% of the price and enjoy higher fuel economy and hire tread life.
They make a difference. But sometimes they don't make that big of a difference to really matter or suffer through the small negative aspects.
Thanks for watching tho!!!
Just bought a set of these and they all required a massive amount of weight to balance. The previous set of tires required very little.
Very harsh ride as well.
I’m taking them back to discount tire.
Did you actually end up taking them back?