Sounds perfect. I asked a Facebook group a question last week about an app based sonar. I am guessing at about $599 as a price point. Which goes for about £456.
Technology is moving faster while we have to fish slower to catch quality fish. Apple is the way to go when dealing with business applications. The overheating issue happens alot with tech items in the outdoors. The Cannon EOS R5 camera kept overheating. Photographers had to put fans to cool it down. The camera body listed at $2500. Newer version with the issues fixed listed at $4200 really! ( lens not included) With the new 2025 FFS rules of most of the leagues, I think alot of the anglers will go with an improved side scan or 360 and a motor. I would be thrilled with a set of pedals and a Garmin side scan.
@wendellfishing Working on a set of pedals first. Looks like in April 2025. I think your kayak and trailer setup is the standard. Chad, Gramps ,and Flukemaster are a little overboard. Keep the video content coming
Let me guess. It’s an underwater drone with a camera that you can attach a lure to and go down and literally attach the lure to the fish’s mouth. Am I close? Because that’s pretty much the next step beyond livescope.
Couple of things... The lvs 32 will in fact do perspective mode and it cost 999 (including black box) you can use it with a echomap uhd 73 sv for cheap for 400 or so bucks or 600 bucks if you opt for the 93sv (find the units that include the gt54 ducer). A diy pole is cheap, 50 bucks or so. 17 bucks for a finder mount. So livescope isnt that expensive and its designed for around water use and doessnt overheat. Their choice to use apple was very stupid!
We have four iPhone 13 phones and wish I would of stayed with Samsung Andriod. My wife's phone is a piece of crap. Dealer said it likely needs to be taken to have it cleaned. I told them it was like that when she got it so how is it to do with being dirty?
I can tell you first hand two issue right away, 1. Sun and heat, in Florida my iPhone overheats in the sun pretty fast and the screen dims as well. 2. Battery life, if you use a phone or a tablet the screen will have to be really bright and that eats battery life pretty quick. and another note, I feel a screen needs to be a minimum 12", 9 and 10" screen are just too small. There's no free lunch guys, there's a reason Garmins are expensive.
i agree on the free lunch quote. I own a 13 inch m4 i pad pro... and its battery life is absolutely astounding. And the screen is so bright u can read it outside in the sun. The resolution blows away any garmin chart plotter so if its being utilized the definition should be astounding. It has a double layered oled screen which is how it gets so bright... and technically you can keep it charged easily off the battery bank. To be fair this is a $1200 device. Garmins entry level 12 inch unit is $1500 (down/side scan transducer included) with no increase in pixel pitch so its a bigger picture but necessarily a more detailed picture. There is also the 11 inch version Ipad which is identical besides the smaller size that prices out at $899 which is just about what i paid for my garmin 93 sv uhd chart plotter. I can literally stream movies off my ipad for at least 10 hours. So yes you have some valid points to be sure but i would definitely like to test this out for sure. Garmins livescope starter kit at 12 inches is $3,199.96. Depending on Accuphys cost it could be a legitimate contender. Now the quality of the software is going to matter so this is all pure speculation. But like you said money is money is money.... and usually you get what you pay for so we will see.
@@sixtogarcia1314all good points. I’m not sure what LiveScope resolution is being pushed to the graph. My 8612 is 1920x1080 yet when zoomed into about 70-90 feet of range it’s pixelated. Many have seen my videos and admire the clarity what they are not considering is that my range is set at 120-135 feet. So it looks really clear. Zoom in and you lose some the clarity.
@@marksanko6138 you’re obviously not from the south. I’ve got sunshades on my Garmin’s and they work great early and late when the sun is low. From 10:30 to 4 they don’t do anything to shield the Florida sun. Like the previous reply to my comment you’ll spend a bit to get a descent tablet that you can see with decent battery life. Not sure you’ll save much in the long run. However if competition gets Garmin and others to up their game on features and/or price. I’m for it.
Yeah, the overheating is a problem except for they have some pretty cool shrouds meant to be used for your remote control with a drone that could be just used as a sun cover. That would work really well to keep it from overheating just a thought. Either way, I’m excited about it coming out.
I’ve been keeping up on these units still going to be pretty pricey. They’re gonna be in the $500 to $700 range but as you stated you still have to get an iPad/ phone if you don’t have one and some sort of mounting and protection so you’re still back up in, the normal range for a FFS unit, but it is nice as you stated you could have it on your phone and walk around with it.
Latest Response from Accuphy: 1. What is the price? The pricing information will be announced in October, 2024. 2. When will the product be available? The products will be launched in November, 2024. We are in discussions with distributors in various regions regarding timing for launch in their respective territories. Details will be updated on our website. 3. What IOS devices are supported? iPad 8th gen, iPad mini 5th gen, iPad pro 3rd gen, iPhone 11 and later models are supported. User may need to update the devices to the latest OS version (17.6 or newer version), in order to work with our sonar unit. 4. Will the product support Android? Currently only IOS is supported. Android support will be released in mid-2025. Our sonar products are future proofing, i.e. existing hardware will be supported by future app releases, both IOS and Android. 5. What is the power input specification? Our live sonar requires 12V DC nominal power input, with input range from 11 ~ 18V. Typical power consumption is 15W, and max power consumption is 30W.
I saw a demo of one of these, and the concept is fantastic, but its reliance of an Apple devices just plain dumb...why would they eliminate 75% off their potential market. Also, ipads are not exactly known for their rugged durability. However, whether accuphy succeeds or not, this is clearly a concept that other companies will exploit, and we will definitely be seeing some inexpensive FFS in 2025.
Very interesting. I’m still trying to learn how to use my ff. I use side scan far more right now but then I like shallow bank fishing not playing Video games.
Accuphy will release an android version mid 2025. You can make a sun’s protection for both a better screen view & shading the ipad. Power consumption is 15 to 30W peak power. 11 to 18Vdc range. iPad 8th gen, iPad mini 5th gen, iPad pro 3rd gen, iPhone 11 and later models are supported. Got these infos directly from them.
Imagine this with Apple Vision Pro or VR! That's the future....good or bad fisherman will be casting looking through a set of VR goggles attached to live scope!
If they are serious about making a dent in the market, they NEED to make an Android version and to push updates regularly. As this is an app-based product, they also need to publish tons of, or get a hold of, maps from around the world (USA, Canada, China, etc), otherwise, it is pretty pointless and you'd be better off going with the cheapest live sonar there is and buy the transducer for it and the maps.
I thought about Livescope Plus. A display only and Livescope Plus over $3,000 plus would still need system to mount it on side or back of boat. We have a fairly new Humminbird Helix 12 Si G4N so I bought the Mega Live. With all the updates it works fine and I invested around $1800. Humminbird had Helix units on sale discounted $500. Cabela's I got military discount and because of a mess up another 10% off and Helix 10 Di G4N just over $700. I also bought the Ethernet and two cables and found a ram mount on eBay for $52. I use the main unit for sonar with GPS Map and back unit to display Mega Live. We troll for salmon and also spring anchor fish for Summer Steelhead and Spring Chinook Salmon. The unit in the back will be great while anchored to see fish passing through and our gear. Seeing your gear and fish isn't real easy and requires ajusting sensitivity and contrast and settings based on water conditions.
These brands hummingbird, lowrance, garmin knew accuphy was coming out. So they are rushing to release a new cheaper live scope.... But we all know how their cheap shayt is junk so don't buy it you'll be sorry and waste your money.
I'm not about to go with an app based sonar even with the ffs capability. It could be $99 and I would still not want it. The reliability I have in my Garmin 93sv is bar now all I need. If I want ffs it will be on a Garmin, but right now I do not have a need for it.
Give it time.. This is just the beginning with this capability. Look this is practical for most people trying hard to save money. I am one of those people. Part of me doesn’t wanna go to live scope at all for many reasons but I also wanna find new honey holes on the river I fish every weekend.
@@turtsable I love my side scan on the river, sets me up for some great holes...I'm sure ffs will show these holes but if I can see them on side scan and down scan then why do I need ffs...I guess I am use to reading those two scans and just don't think about the easier one to read. For me it is not worth the money.....I would rather get new Newport 300 than ffs but that is just me. What is next underwater cameras showing us the actual picture of the fish....but then again I am more into fishing for the fun not the tournament wins.
Overhearing, what about getting too cold? I'm sure it has a limit, I fish anywhere from 5 degrees to 95 degrees and my Garmins haven't had a hiccup. You lost me at apple compatible only anyways, I'll stick with my lvs32 and 126sv ultra.
God I’ve been waiting for some company to come out with a legit sonar/FFS setup that just uses your IPhone!!! Looked into it my self and yeah don’t have near the funds to even get this thing started lol.
This is going to be cheap fishermen burning money only to have regrets and realize they should have just bought the garmin livescope instead of bad quality sonar.
@wendellfishing I think it comes from a superiorist perspective. iPhone users and Apple have. High-quality apps tend to exist in greater quantity on apple devices, for seemingly no reason.
I have never had my Samsung overheat. Is that a stupid apple thing? My Samsung is attached to a mount on my kayak for the whole day in the summer sun for photos and if I use my Deeper. When I'm fishing from the dock it's sitting on my tackle box in the sun the whole day. I'm not sure why they have limited their product to such a shitty phone.
Ça ne va pas tuer les lvs32/34/62 … La portée de ce truc chinois sera faible et vu les image déjà diffusée ce sera très très loin de la définition d’une lvs32… Bref moins chère et pour un public débutant oui ! Mais cela ne tuera rien chez garmin .
Garmin will just lobby to have them banned in the us. Just like they did to ban DJI. Can't have those Chinese making money from fairly priced quality electronics.
So how is this gonna kill Garmin. IPad.....$899 + $60 case + mount? Echomap 93.....$700 LVS 32 w/box $1200, 34....$1699. New tech price ???? And then overheating, being out in weather, still a 7-9" display. Sorry I will take my Garmin system for $2k over any of this. It is 2k, people complain it is too expensive as they watch this video on their $1000 phone.
Or: Ipad 100, case and mount 120 + Ping sonar 500(?) = 700. Your example: 700+1200 = 1900 btw. Kinda huge difference for a tight budget. With no budget just buy whatever you want and go fishing 🙂
loll mostly stollen tech built on crappier tech.. Garmin has much up their sleeves ready to release and stay ahead when "real" competitors make new releases
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Sounds perfect. I asked a Facebook group a question last week about an app based sonar. I am guessing at about $599 as a price point. Which goes for about £456.
Right on.. I look forward to seeing what people say.
I just got a 10 inch garmin about a month ago on sale for $1000, now i am waiting til spring for the livescope box and transducer to go on sale.
Love it!
Don’t wait.
I hope they put the lvs34 on black Friday special, it's lightyears above the lvs32.
Technology is moving faster while we have to fish slower to catch quality fish.
Apple is the way to go when dealing with business applications.
The overheating issue happens alot with tech items in the outdoors.
The Cannon EOS R5 camera kept overheating. Photographers had to put fans to cool it down. The camera body listed at $2500.
Newer version with the issues fixed listed at $4200 really! ( lens not included)
With the new 2025 FFS rules of most of the leagues, I think alot of the anglers will go with an improved side scan or 360 and a motor.
I would be thrilled with a set of pedals and a Garmin side scan.
Side scan is in your future brother!
@wendellfishing Working on a set of pedals first. Looks like in April 2025. I think your kayak and trailer setup is the standard.
Chad, Gramps ,and Flukemaster are a little overboard. Keep the video content coming
@@lowlifeangler Will do
I read somewhere else that an Android version will be available mid 2025.
There we go… still have concerns on overheating. Feel like it will be the Achilles heel.
Let me guess. It’s an underwater drone with a camera that you can attach a lure to and go down and literally attach the lure to the fish’s mouth. Am I close? Because that’s pretty much the next step beyond livescope.
Couple of things...
The lvs 32 will in fact do perspective mode and it cost 999 (including black box)
you can use it with a echomap uhd 73 sv for cheap for 400 or so bucks or 600 bucks if you opt for the 93sv (find the units that include the gt54 ducer).
A diy pole is cheap, 50 bucks or so.
17 bucks for a finder mount.
So livescope isnt that expensive and its designed for around water use and doessnt overheat.
Their choice to use apple was very stupid!
We have four iPhone 13 phones and wish I would of stayed with Samsung Andriod. My wife's phone is a piece of crap. Dealer said it likely needs to be taken to have it cleaned. I told them it was like that when she got it so how is it to do with being dirty?
I can tell you first hand two issue right away, 1. Sun and heat, in Florida my iPhone overheats in the sun pretty fast and the screen dims as well. 2. Battery life, if you use a phone or a tablet the screen will have to be really bright and that eats battery life pretty quick. and another note, I feel a screen needs to be a minimum 12", 9 and 10" screen are just too small. There's no free lunch guys, there's a reason Garmins are expensive.
i agree on the free lunch quote. I own a 13 inch m4 i pad pro... and its battery life is absolutely astounding. And the screen is so bright u can read it outside in the sun. The resolution blows away any garmin chart plotter so if its being utilized the definition should be astounding. It has a double layered oled screen which is how it gets so bright... and technically you can keep it charged easily off the battery bank. To be fair this is a $1200 device. Garmins entry level 12 inch unit is $1500 (down/side scan transducer included) with no increase in pixel pitch so its a bigger picture but necessarily a more detailed picture. There is also the 11 inch version Ipad which is identical besides the smaller size that prices out at $899 which is just about what i paid for my garmin 93 sv uhd chart plotter. I can literally stream movies off my ipad for at least 10 hours. So yes you have some valid points to be sure but i would definitely like to test this out for sure. Garmins livescope starter kit at 12 inches is $3,199.96. Depending on Accuphys cost it could be a legitimate contender. Now the quality of the software is going to matter so this is all pure speculation. But like you said money is money is money.... and usually you get what you pay for so we will see.
@@sixtogarcia1314all good points. I’m not sure what LiveScope resolution is being pushed to the graph. My 8612 is 1920x1080 yet when zoomed into about 70-90 feet of range it’s pixelated. Many have seen my videos and admire the clarity what they are not considering is that my range is set at 120-135 feet. So it looks really clear. Zoom in and you lose some the clarity.
Build a screen shield with starboard
@@marksanko6138 you’re obviously not from the south. I’ve got sunshades on my Garmin’s and they work great early and late when the sun is low. From 10:30 to 4 they don’t do anything to shield the Florida sun. Like the previous reply to my comment you’ll spend a bit to get a descent tablet that you can see with decent battery life. Not sure you’ll save much in the long run. However if competition gets Garmin and others to up their game on features and/or price. I’m for it.
Yeah, the overheating is a problem except for they have some pretty cool shrouds meant to be used for your remote control with a drone that could be just used as a sun cover. That would work really well to keep it from overheating just a thought. Either way, I’m excited about it coming out.
I’ve been keeping up on these units still going to be pretty pricey. They’re gonna be in the $500 to $700 range but as you stated you still have to get an iPad/ phone if you don’t have one and some sort of mounting and protection so you’re still back up in, the normal range for a FFS unit, but it is nice as you stated you could have it on your phone and walk around with it.
Right on
Thank you for the information
You bet!
If nothing else, electronics developments like this, it will help bring down the cost of the other live sonars
I'll take it
Latest Response from Accuphy:
1. What is the price?
The pricing information will be announced in October, 2024.
2. When will the product be available?
The products will be launched in November, 2024. We are in discussions with distributors in various regions regarding timing for launch in their respective territories. Details will be updated on our website.
3. What IOS devices are supported?
iPad 8th gen, iPad mini 5th gen, iPad pro 3rd gen, iPhone 11 and later models are supported. User may need to update the devices to the latest OS version (17.6 or newer version), in order to work with our sonar unit.
4. Will the product support Android?
Currently only IOS is supported. Android support will be released in mid-2025. Our sonar products are future proofing, i.e. existing hardware will be supported by future app releases, both IOS and Android.
5. What is the power input specification?
Our live sonar requires 12V DC nominal power input, with input range from 11 ~ 18V. Typical power consumption is 15W, and max power consumption is 30W.
I saw a demo of one of these, and the concept is fantastic, but its reliance of an Apple devices just plain dumb...why would they eliminate 75% off their potential market. Also, ipads are not exactly known for their rugged durability. However, whether accuphy succeeds or not, this is clearly a concept that other companies will exploit, and we will definitely be seeing some inexpensive FFS in 2025.
Right on 👍
Because this will "force" android to buy the tech from them.
Very interesting. I’m still trying to learn how to use my ff. I use side scan far more right now but then I like shallow bank fishing not playing Video games.
Right on
So I've an invented homemade ice pak to keep my cellphone cool on hot days.. Maybe worth a shot for a tablet for the unit! Just a thought!📝👀👍🏾
Accuphy will release an android version mid 2025.
You can make a sun’s protection for both a better screen view & shading the ipad.
Power consumption is 15 to 30W peak power. 11 to 18Vdc range.
iPad 8th gen, iPad mini 5th gen, iPad pro 3rd gen, iPhone 11 and later models are supported.
Got these infos directly from them.
Imagine this with Apple Vision Pro or VR! That's the future....good or bad fisherman will be casting looking through a set of VR goggles attached to live scope!
Right!?!
If they are serious about making a dent in the market, they NEED to make an Android version and to push updates regularly. As this is an app-based product, they also need to publish tons of, or get a hold of, maps from around the world (USA, Canada, China, etc), otherwise, it is pretty pointless and you'd be better off going with the cheapest live sonar there is and buy the transducer for it and the maps.
Right on!
im sure the apple vision glasses will fit right in
There we go
Using your phone is absolute garbage, we already had phone based sonar units and they absolutely shred your battery levels.
Plug it in😂
I thought about Livescope Plus. A display only and Livescope Plus over $3,000 plus would still need system to mount it on side or back of boat. We have a fairly new Humminbird Helix 12 Si G4N so I bought the Mega Live. With all the updates it works fine and I invested around $1800. Humminbird had Helix units on sale discounted $500. Cabela's I got military discount and because of a mess up another 10% off and Helix 10 Di G4N just over $700. I also bought the Ethernet and two cables and found a ram mount on eBay for $52. I use the main unit for sonar with GPS Map and back unit to display Mega Live. We troll for salmon and also spring anchor fish for Summer Steelhead and Spring Chinook Salmon. The unit in the back will be great while anchored to see fish passing through and our gear. Seeing your gear and fish isn't real easy and requires ajusting sensitivity and contrast and settings based on water conditions.
Right on brother! Sounds like you are on em!
Of course only on an apple wha6 about Android??
I am sure it will follow soon
Mid 2025 android version is coming
These brands hummingbird, lowrance, garmin knew accuphy was coming out. So they are rushing to release a new cheaper live scope.... But we all know how their cheap shayt is junk so don't buy it you'll be sorry and waste your money.
Yeah the eagle lowrance has 2 beams vs 5 in all others, accuphy comprised
I don’t fish in the heat….i’ll be picking this up as soon as it is available
Right on!
Yea because phone screens are amazing to look at out on the water.
No battery purchase necessary for garmin livescope. Those who do are just “drinking the cool-aid”.
Your phone will over heat in the sunshine. Best of luck !
I have two Garmin 93SV UHD's and LVS32 and black box that I got for right at $2,500 all new.
Good deal!
I'm not about to go with an app based sonar even with the ffs capability. It could be $99 and I would still not want it. The reliability I have in my Garmin 93sv is bar now all I need. If I want ffs it will be on a Garmin, but right now I do not have a need for it.
Right on
Give it time.. This is just the beginning with this capability.
Look this is practical for most people trying hard to save money. I am one of those people.
Part of me doesn’t wanna go to live scope at all for many reasons but I also wanna find new honey holes on the river I fish every weekend.
@@turtsable I love my side scan on the river, sets me up for some great holes...I'm sure ffs will show these holes but if I can see them on side scan and down scan then why do I need ffs...I guess I am use to reading those two scans and just don't think about the easier one to read. For me it is not worth the money.....I would rather get new Newport 300 than ffs but that is just me. What is next underwater cameras showing us the actual picture of the fish....but then again I am more into fishing for the fun not the tournament wins.
$600 cannot wait to order
Right on!
They said Android will be released mid 2025!
There we go
I think if you want to live scope, I guess just go with Garmin traditional stuff. I'm not interested in ffs really
I'm hoping products like this will force Lowrance/Garmin and others to make a more stand alone product (Like the Eagle 9)
@@Bovus13 they already have did you miss that at icast?
Its a single beam unit and lowrance also revealed a new budget unit.
Trash
Overhearing, what about getting too cold? I'm sure it has a limit, I fish anywhere from 5 degrees to 95 degrees and my Garmins haven't had a hiccup. You lost me at apple compatible only anyways, I'll stick with my lvs32 and 126sv ultra.
Yeah.. they are rolling out an android in 2025.. but yeah.. I hear ya
I used to get by with a paper burner and a Loran-C, so...
I’m waiting to see the reviews on the new Lowrance Eagle 9 live $1000(No black box)
Right on
No it’s trash : only 2 beam vs 5 on all other, accuphy comprised
im waiting buying as soon as launch
Right on
Its good to have more competition in the market.
I agree with that
I had to upgrade to HDS Live 12 to get AT2. About the same price as my boat!
God I’ve been waiting for some company to come out with a legit sonar/FFS setup that just uses your IPhone!!! Looked into it my self and yeah don’t have near the funds to even get this thing started lol.
Good luck using an iPad in direct sunlight
This is going to be cheap fishermen burning money only to have regrets and realize they should have just bought the garmin livescope instead of bad quality sonar.
Exactly
Not making an android app seems like burning money
Right?!? Maybe it's in the works, but I would have started with the operating system that owns the marketshare out of the gate.
@wendellfishing I think it comes from a superiorist perspective. iPhone users and Apple have. High-quality apps tend to exist in greater quantity on apple devices, for seemingly no reason.
I have never had my Samsung overheat. Is that a stupid apple thing? My Samsung is attached to a mount on my kayak for the whole day in the summer sun for photos and if I use my Deeper. When I'm fishing from the dock it's sitting on my tackle box in the sun the whole day. I'm not sure why they have limited their product to such a shitty phone.
Ça ne va pas tuer les lvs32/34/62 …
La portée de ce truc chinois sera faible et vu les image déjà diffusée ce sera très très loin de la définition d’une lvs32…
Bref moins chère et pour un public débutant oui ! Mais cela ne tuera rien chez garmin .
Yeah that looks like hot garbage I’ll keep my garmin
Garmin will just lobby to have them banned in the us. Just like they did to ban DJI. Can't have those Chinese making money from fairly priced quality electronics.
No accuphy is already working with dealers
Sounds like you need a better job
its vaporware...
Ha! Maybe you’re right!
Won't ever make it here.
Lol!!!!!
mask and fins will always get you the data fast...but you look silly, and you are wet all day, so this is probably better😉
Junk
No Android? I'm out
Coming in 2025
@@wendellfishing Okay, I'm in, LOL
Sounds like Garbage
So how is this gonna kill Garmin. IPad.....$899 + $60 case + mount? Echomap 93.....$700 LVS 32 w/box $1200, 34....$1699. New tech price ???? And then overheating, being out in weather, still a 7-9" display. Sorry I will take my Garmin system for $2k over any of this. It is 2k, people complain it is too expensive as they watch this video on their $1000 phone.
Or: Ipad 100, case and mount 120 + Ping sonar 500(?) = 700. Your example: 700+1200 = 1900 btw. Kinda huge difference for a tight budget. With no budget just buy whatever you want and go fishing 🙂
loll mostly stollen tech built on crappier tech.. Garmin has much up their sleeves ready to release and stay ahead when "real" competitors make new releases
Well, I'm not going to disagree with ya there
Such tech existed already in professional net fishing
Cheating