He'd be turning over in his grave. Not out of embarrassment or disappointment, but because each .45 shakes the Earth to the core. Thanks for using the shorty too. I have a 3.5 inch Rock Island.
@@robmartin6808 that's because the rounds are super-fuckin-spicy!!!! in fact, Underwood Ammo is one of 3 different brands of ammo (the other 2 being Hornady and Federal Premium) that actually functions through my .44 Magnum Deagle with very little to no trouble.
WOW! I didn't think anything would make me switch from the HST 230 but these Defenders sure got my attention! 18" of penetration with nearly 16" of disruption through fabric! 😳 Unfortunately, I handed down my Colt Govt model and remaining HSTs to my eldest son a couple of years ago. So I'll send him a link to this video and recommend he pick up some of these Defenders.
Becoming more and more a believer in these extreme defender rounds you test. The 9mm 45 and even the 32acp you did months ago all did well respectively. Heavy winter clothes have nothing on these
Interesting for sure. John Browning would not worry about this ammo at all. I was always told stay with 230 round nose. Too many jams with HPs. But I sure like the look of this ammo!
@@ToolsandTargets I recently gave my/the only son I have left my Colt Commander Stainless with the gold ponies in the grips. Seem like I bought it in either 74 or 76. Anyway it is a good one and I really miss it! FWIW Tools...you stay well young man!
Thank you so much for doing an awesome test. This is my EDC ammo in a 3.25” Taurus. It is great that you showed how well they perform in a short barrel. Now, I'm 100% sure this is the best ammo for me.🏆🏆🏆
He is smiling now. The Defenders are better than the Penetrators unless your in Bear 🐻 Country. In a carbine I'm betting they go thru both blocks. Great stuff & recoil didn't seem bad at all. Appreciate you. 👍
Thank you sir. They would be some nasty ones out of a carbine. I really need to take a little time and get the Hi Point mags fixed up and feeding right so I can use it for testing.
@@ToolsandTargets Its a pain to have to fix a new weapon but it may surprise you after issues are fixed. A little info from local news. Guy charged with shooting into an apartment - party time- & killing one was linked by the Red Teflon coating on projectiles - in victims body- to coating in barrel of pistol. Hmmm
@@ToolsandTargets I don't know man, but the X-Treme Hunters are no slouch either, as I have a box of them in .44 Magnum that travels at 1800 feet-per-second using a "lead free" 160-grain bullet. Haven't tried them out yet, as I wanna at least get another box or two before trying them out.
They have tested these through tempered and laminated safety glass for windshields and that is brutal on bullets , the front gets pummeled and deforms but much of the flutes remain and they put on the brakes when they hit gel.At 1300 those are ferocious in 45.
@@ToolsandTargets i have a video on the 40 and 357 sig Extreme Defenders pushing through various hard barriers, steel stud sheet rock and plywood and more, suckers drill in deep in hard barrier.
Credit where it’s due. The projectiles/bullets, are made by Lehigh Defense (now owned by Wilson Combat) and loaded into Underwood offerings. Great reviews, thank you and keep them coming 👍🏻
Nice to see something preform as advertised 👍thanks for testing in the shorter barrel, I carry a M&p shield 45 so I like knowing how this would do out of that type of barrel length
Nice!! Underwood is definitely loading some nice ammo that stays pretty close to advertised velocity. I have some of these that I put in my G21 when I take it in the woods with me. I’ve yet to try them on a 🐗. Great video and results. 👍🇺🇸
These are GREAT performers. Run the Underwood Extreme Defenders (90gr) in my G43 and the Extreme Penetrator (90gr) in my G42. Of ALL the testing on this UTube they never fail regardless of barrier presented. My small-frame these are the only I run and the recoil, to me, is light with quick followups.
Been carrying the 67 grain xd in my g17 and the 90 grain xd in my g26 for a long time now and ya I was kinda wondering why these didn't catch on. I know the penetration with the extreme defender does go past the fbi standard and closer to 20" in a full size gun but I feel alot better putting this stuff in a sub compact as the flutes do slow it down pretty well just not as dramatically as expanding ammo. Honestly the only real reason iv kept this stuff in my carry guns is because bullet set back seems to be non existent with copper projectiles so I can chamber it 100 times and it will still be the exact same aol as the rest of the mag.
My choice for 357 magnum carry. I like this for a 45 ACP (~11.5 mm) nice big wound channel. I have been holding back on getting a 45, but these underwood and some other companies making high velocity ammo makes 45 very appealing.
Thanks! I’ve been waiting to see your test on these in 45acp! Choosing a short and standard length barrel was perfect and demonstrated that it just doesn’t matter with this ammo. Car windshields, car doors, walls, bone, heavy clothing that JHP fail and even several bullet resistant glass tests have shown that it just doesn’t fail. Yet also doesn’t have crazy unpredictable results that ball ammo can produce such as wild over penetration with small wound channels or changes in direction due to bone or tissue. Can’t wait to see some detailed 10mm testing!
Definitely do more testing with the Colt officer model. I have owned one since 1986. Back then no hollow point ammunition would expand out of the short barrel, so I have always shot 230 grain ball out of it.
It is fascinating to see how the Underwood Extreme bullets perform in gel. I'm hesitant to jump on using them as a self-defense round for a few reasons. There is yet to be sufficient street data relating to the performance of these bullets. Gel tests were developed to give an idea of how FMJ and hollow points perform primarily with expansion and penetration. So, it makes me uncertain if the damage seen in gel properly correlates with actual damage in flesh. I'll be sticking with what has been proven. Though I'm keeping my eye on these. They just might be proven in time.
Awesome. My favorite caliber. For 135gr. I suppose comparing to a 9mm would be fair. These both had great velocity and energy. I thought it was tremendous. I will order a box for the Commander. Thanks Tools 👍
Thanks for the video:) Rewatching this and a long time subscriber. Things to consider: I have a Glock 30S. 10 rounds. That’s about a 1000 grains less than the standard 230 grains. About two ounces less to carry. Also consider, other than the disruption in the gel it is already “expanded” compared to a 9 mm being .45. So no chance of failure like a normal HP. Very good speed (above +P for normal 9mm) a win win in my opinion.
@@ToolsandTargets Sounds good, if you are interested, I can give you the 411 on the IWBA protocol and the FBI protocol for heavy clothing tests with ballistic gel, I enjoyed it, let me know, thanks my friend. 👊 🇺🇲
I can see a big advantage in these Lehigh bullets in 45 and other calibers that are normally a lower velocity round since there is no issue with the bullet failing to function as with so many hollow point designs.
The more I see of this ammo the more I'm liking it. It appears to work well in every caliber you've tested. I'm curious to see what response Sig is going to have to your last expose` on their customer service/support. As a business owner myself, that kind of crap means someone is going to lose their job, or in the very least, a written apology with some compensation thrown in. It's not as though you just made stuff up, you have excellent and valid documentation.
Lehigh was just bought out by Wilson Combat and they are in a brand new facility making more of these bullets than ever. Been keeping my eyes peeled to pick up some in different calibers. Excellent test Tools!!!👊👍🙏🇺🇸💪😎
@Tools&Targets I appreciate YOU, brother. I've been watching your channel for a long time now. I've never met you but don't know you, but you almost seem like family. I'm just an old southern boy, so I guess I relate to you in that fashion. Keep up the great work, buddy.
Thanks for using the 3.5" Colt Tools. My 1911 45 has a 4" barrel, so if a certain round works good with the 3.5" ,it'll probably work a hair better with my 4" barrel. Mine's not +P rated but a mag full of the hot stuff ain't gonna hurt anything if it's just once in a while. My life is worth a lot more than a pistol any day. I hope to see more tests with the little Colt. Keep up the great videos. 👍
@@americanpatriot477 From what I've seen in the past with the difference between these rounds and fmj, the biggest difference is consistency. If the fmj tumbles, it actually creates a bigger wound channel than these, but if it doesn't it zips right on through.
Interesting. It appears the Extreme Defender is actually more effective from the shorter barrel, with ~1100 fps being perhaps the optimum velocity for this round. FWIW, I carry 124-gr Federal HSTs in my 9mm carry piece, but my backup magazine is loaded with hand loaded 118-gr Extreme Defender bullets on top of 4 grs of Titegroup. 👍👍👍
That did a lot better than I thought. Excellent as always sir. If you are into suggestions, I have watched your videos on the 500 S&W and since that is a cartridge I am playing with at the moment the caliber interests me. If you have other stuff lined up I understand, just figure I'd mention it.
I definitely come back to your tests more now than any of the other GunTubers. Still trying to decide on carry ammo for that G30S since I picked another one up. As you know short barrels and 45acp are a tricky combo. This test had the 3.5” Colt and the cloth so it is the closest result to what we might see in your G30 at 3.8”. But hoping you might run a test using this ammo and maybe two others in the G30 to try to see what works well in that short barrel. The G29 doesn’t seem to care and all the 10mm ammo just works fine in any barrel length.
👍 Run a few 45 long colt 325 grainers before I spend too much to find out I don't like them ! My local shop has the Grizzly,s for 65 for 25 shells ! Don't buy a box just for this but if you got few laying around that would be cool !
I began purchasing Underwood after seeing it used in the SR1911 10mm on Military Arms Channel. Not the defense types but flat-nosed FMJ. After shooting the other big name (range) ammo, the 1500 ft/sec rated Underwood was, for me, the discovery of REAL 10mm. After nearly a hundred rounds, my right wrist was ready to call it a day. As far as .45 goes, I have never considered it for defense, but in a pinch I might rely on---you guessed it----230 grain FMJ. What the hell, it worked in practice.
From what I've seen of other calibers in this ammo type it doesn't seem to matter what bRrel length you use or what barrier is in the way they all penetrate to roughly the same distance. Some pretty amazing wound channels too I might add. I carry the 90gr +p 9mm in my edc. Might try thr underwood 45 super for my HK and see how she likes it. Some crazy energy levels out of that stuff. Good test as always man!
Interesting! I have all three of Marshall and Sanow’s books on stopping power. I am eagerly awaiting some feedback on these bullets. I don’t know if any cops are using them.
T & T I have enjoyed this video as well as a few others since August of ‘22! This ammunition deserves a second chance from me. I’m also not a big fan of230 gr ball. I and at least my mentor have been using 185 gr and 200 gr ammo since the mid 1990’s. I have a thirty plus year old Colt Gold Cup, Colt Officer and a Norinco knock off that have never given me any trouble with the lighter faster bullets.
The disruption in the gel has a lot to do with the placement of the bullet. The lower shots don't get the 360-degree expansion [wound channel] that the uppers get. The lower shots were affected by being near the base. They might have turned around because of this.
Thanks for the test. As I was trolling through the bazillion comments, I kept seeing repeated wants of people asking and wishing to see a 45 ball comparison in conjunction with this test. I saw that you mentioned each time that you almost had sent one into the block. Please do next you can to satiate this incessant need of some to see a 45 ball round overpenetrate in a straight line, leaving a narrow channel with no disruption for 32" so these people can get it out of their systems, seeing as the tons of other you tube examples of 45 ball in gel tests doing the same thing over and over again isn't enough for them. Maybe when you test 45 ball through gel it will actually do something hugely amazing and unseen that it hasn't to this point. You know, marinate the round in magic pixie dust all night before the test so that the magic 45 ball round does a trick like perform between an HST, an Extreme Defender, and tactical nuclear weapon.
Good quality control and consistency with the Underwood ammo. I like the way it just rips the cloth with no issues. I think I would use them if need be. Good test for the .45 ACP. Another good test in the books. Thanks for sharing and be safe. ⭐️⭐️🇺🇸⭐️⭐️
Scored some Axils off the link. Haven't had a chance to do the range with them yet, but, they are good for tunes, and I'll probably use them at work in a high noise environment. Keep up the good work.
Nice! I was really impressed how nice they sound using the BT for tunes. It's super nice when I'm at the range too so I can hear and use my phone through em.
Brian, I do believe John Browning would be thrilled with the Lehigh line, except he might be jealous he didn't think of it himself! These bullets are, in my not-so-humble opinion, the absolute best bullets money can buy! The consistent penetration, even with the varying velocities, the wound channel deformation and the ability to penetrant barriers and continue to work make these bullets as close to a wonder bullet as we are likely to ever see, short of something nuclear or a disruptor beam weapon (in the 40 watt range, of course!). I believe I have lived to see the pinnacle of bullet development! I am now carrying the Lehigh Xtreme Defender in all of my carry guns in all calibers! The ARX is another fine bullet but I do wonder about it's ability to penetrate the harder barriers? I have done no testing with them at all, since I am quite happy with the Lehigh's. Yeah, I know, I sound like a Lehigh shill but I am not. I'm just a fan of the bullets and I believe in them and I am more than willing to share what testing I have done and seen others do. Including a u tube vid of a freshly killed 125lb pig that had been shot in the the neck with a 300 BO, then shot in the shoulder shortly thereafter with a 9mm 90 gr Lehigh. The only way to describe what was between the entrance hole and bullets final resting spot under the hide of the off side, is mush! These bullets are not magic nor are they some kind of gimmick! They just work and work well! Cheers, jc
I've been carrying them in .45, 9mm, and .380 for the last several years. This round replaced the Remington Golden Saber. Barrier blind and consistent performance is the name of the game.
Not a 45 AARP Guy ( take my 10 any day) but love any Underwood Ammo tests. Those guys just seem to nail it. BTW. Your live stream the other night was fabulous. I even watched it twice. Very refreshing to see more honesty and less bullshit because, even when it comes to the Creator community ..I don’t know who to trust anymore and it sucks. You have a good thing going. Keep up the good work
Sure would be nice if you critiqued the 460 Rowland. With those 135 gr Lehighs you’re looking at close to 1900 fps out of a five inch barrel. That’s 300 blackout level velocity ( my hunting loads are 2000 fps with a 125 gr bullet) That would put a big smile on john browning’s face if he knew his 1911 could easily be beefed up with a heavier spring and barrel to be the equivalent of a 44 magnum😊
Winter carry for me. I always like the Lehigh Defense bullets. You need to do a gel test on the .45 long Colt extreme expansion rounds. Out of your Governor or Judge.
Well it appears this stuff isn’t a “ gimmick “ as a few others have said… I keep it in my .380’s … It’s the one bullet that puts .380 on par with some 9mm’s performance … I don’t have a 45 but I have a couple 40’s I may consider this ammo with. Good video as always
Most factory test are performed with a six6 inch fixed barrel stand with electronic trigger and calculated to sea level. This will give you much higher velocity!
I’m very confused at the difference in performance between the 3.5” and the 5” while there was more than a 10% difference in velocity. I have been leery of the X-treme Defenders, as I belong to the “1911 Club” Tools cited. But, these lighter rounds may have made me a believer- at least for a winter carry option!! Thanks Tools, for the valuable content!!! BTW Tools: A little 230 never hurt anybody (that probably didn’t deserve it)! 😅😅
Wilson combat bought out Lehigh defense and now are producing ammo again. They offer this exact round just not Plus P. But out of a 5 inch barrel they are claiming 1250fps. I’d be shocked if there is much difference from these results.
Looks good to me have some in 45/70 I haven't tried yet .l see Norma is making that style bullet now. Glad to see your blood pressure back in line! Good on ya 😉
I think John Browning actually would approve. Every cartridge he ever introduced was loaded with light low b.c. Bullets it just didn't really make sense to shoot such high b.c. Long heavy bullets in a handgun. Iraqveteran8888 did a video on this a few years back but apparently John Browning was a critic who didn't approve of 230 grain loading in 45 ACP and wished for a 200 or 185 grain loading. Keep in mind John Browning designed the 1911 but not the 45acp cartridge. It makes sense everything else he designed was mostly with light bullets but monolithic projectiles didn't exist at the time he was alive. Personally I lean towards the 185gr Barnes dpx and the 185 gr Hornady American Gunner!
When it comes to testing these types of projectiles it looks extremely impressive. Everyone is missing something kind of obvious. Ballistic gelatin is supposed to represent a density comparable to tissue- muscle tissue. I don’t think there’s a human being with that much muscle. Once your past the skin, fat,and muscle you hit,obviously the organs which are mostly hollow. Your intestines,stomach,lungs,even the heart is made up of hollow chambers filled with blood. They might make a slightly larger hole in walls of the organs but not much more than an FMJ. In areas where the temperature can go very low,in the winter, these rounds might be a good choice as people are going to be bundled up with layers of clothing. I’ll stick with my 230 gr. HSTs in .45 ACP as they have the ability to expand to .75 of an inch.
He'd be turning over in his grave. Not out of embarrassment or disappointment, but because each .45 shakes the Earth to the core.
Thanks for using the shorty too. I have a 3.5 inch Rock Island.
😂😂😂 Love It!
Well said, lol!
i'd shake his hand personally if time travel were invented
Just wondering if that 3.5 inch Rock Island is reliable. I’m thinking about getting one.
That Underwood just keeps proving to be a top performer in all calibers! 💪💥🎯
It really does. I keep fighting the urge to switch everything I use for defense to this stuff.😆
@@ToolsandTargets if i were a monied man, i would have already!
@@ToolsandTargets Do it! In my 9’s and 10’s it is just super accurate
@@robmartin6808 that's because the rounds are super-fuckin-spicy!!!! in fact, Underwood Ammo is one of 3 different brands of ammo (the other 2 being Hornady and Federal Premium) that actually functions through my .44 Magnum Deagle with very little to no trouble.
They don't do gold dots for rifles though sadly
WOW! I didn't think anything would make me switch from the HST 230 but these Defenders sure got my attention! 18" of penetration with nearly 16" of disruption through fabric! 😳
Unfortunately, I handed down my Colt Govt model and remaining HSTs to my eldest son a couple of years ago. So I'll send him a link to this video and recommend he pick up some of these Defenders.
Yeah, the way they ignore the cloth is very impressive.
Becoming more and more a believer in these extreme defender rounds you test. The 9mm 45 and even the 32acp you did months ago all did well respectively. Heavy winter clothes have nothing on these
Same here. There's no ignoring the way they totally disregard this cloth.
Interesting for sure. John Browning would not worry about this ammo at all. I was always told stay with 230 round nose. Too many jams with HPs.
But I sure like the look of this ammo!
This stuff is definitely impressive.
@@ToolsandTargets I recently gave my/the only son I have left my Colt Commander Stainless with the gold ponies in the grips. Seem like I bought it in either 74 or 76. Anyway it is a good one and I really miss it! FWIW Tools...you stay well young man!
Great test thanks. I use Underwood exclusively now. Never been disappointed. Their customer service and tech support are second to none.
Thank you sir. The consistency from them is fantastic.
Thank you so much for doing an awesome test. This is my EDC ammo in a 3.25” Taurus. It is great that you showed how well they perform in a short barrel. Now, I'm 100% sure this is the best ammo for me.🏆🏆🏆
Appreciate you sending it bigtime, brother! There is no denying the consistency, and the way this stuff totally disregards the cloth.😎👍
Nice performance especially the round out of the shorter barrel. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!
Yessir😎👊
Pretty nice. I have been putting off getting the extreme defenders for a long time. But the more tests I see the more I want to get them for carry.
It's hard to deny how good they are at ignoring this cloth.🤷♂️
Man, I'm super jealous of that weather! They're calling for 4-8" of snow for us for here. Great video! Love those grips on the RI!
Supposed to be freezing again here the rest of the week but no snow at least.😆 Thank you sir.😎👊
He is smiling now. The Defenders are better than the Penetrators unless your in Bear 🐻 Country. In a carbine I'm betting they go thru both blocks. Great stuff & recoil didn't seem bad at all. Appreciate you. 👍
Thank you sir. They would be some nasty ones out of a carbine. I really need to take a little time and get the Hi Point mags fixed up and feeding right so I can use it for testing.
@@ToolsandTargets Its a pain to have to fix a new weapon but it may surprise you after issues are fixed. A little info from local news. Guy charged with shooting into an apartment - party time- & killing one was linked by the Red Teflon coating on projectiles - in victims body- to coating in barrel of pistol. Hmmm
@@ToolsandTargets I don't know man, but the X-Treme Hunters are no slouch either, as I have a box of them in .44 Magnum that travels at 1800 feet-per-second using a "lead free" 160-grain bullet. Haven't tried them out yet, as I wanna at least get another box or two before trying them out.
I love Underwoods stuff. I carry their Extreme Defenders and Controlled Chaos staggered in my EDC.
Good stuff for sure.
It would be interesting to see how these do through a windshield or door. They certainly look good on paper.
They have tested these through tempered and laminated safety glass for windshields and that is brutal on bullets , the front gets pummeled and deforms but much of the flutes remain and they put on the brakes when they hit gel.At 1300 those are ferocious in 45.
Yea def. I think they would perform well as they aren't going to lose a ton of energy trying expand. Either way these did pretty well.
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There is a test on here from another guy through the windsheild. Did pretty good. I think it was the veteran 888 guy.
@@ToolsandTargets i have a video on the 40 and 357 sig Extreme Defenders pushing through various hard barriers, steel stud sheet rock and plywood and more, suckers drill in deep in hard barrier.
Credit where it’s due. The projectiles/bullets, are made by Lehigh Defense (now owned by Wilson Combat) and loaded into Underwood offerings.
Great reviews, thank you and keep them coming 👍🏻
Thank you sir.😎👍
Nice to see something preform as advertised 👍thanks for testing in the shorter barrel, I carry a M&p shield 45 so I like knowing how this would do out of that type of barrel length
Definitely some good stuff.😎👍
I just bought a Shield 45. Wow...what a great little pistol.
The ammo companies are really stepping up to the plate putting out some pretty impressive stuff. Thanks for your tests.
Appreciate ya!😎👊
Nice!! Underwood is definitely loading some nice ammo that stays pretty close to advertised velocity. I have some of these that I put in my G21 when I take it in the woods with me. I’ve yet to try them on a 🐗. Great video and results. 👍🇺🇸
Thank you sir. The way these things ignore this cloth is very nice.
400 ft/lbs out of anything 3" is pretty dang good. My little XD-S Mod2 45 would probably like these. Nice test
Yessir😎👍
These are GREAT performers. Run the Underwood Extreme Defenders (90gr) in my G43 and the Extreme Penetrator (90gr) in my G42. Of ALL the testing on this UTube they never fail regardless of barrier presented. My small-frame these are the only I run and the recoil, to me, is light with quick followups.
It's hard to deny how good these things work.😎👍
Been carrying the 67 grain xd in my g17 and the 90 grain xd in my g26 for a long time now and ya I was kinda wondering why these didn't catch on.
I know the penetration with the extreme defender does go past the fbi standard and closer to 20" in a full size gun but I feel alot better putting this stuff in a sub compact as the flutes do slow it down pretty well just not as dramatically as expanding ammo.
Honestly the only real reason iv kept this stuff in my carry guns is because bullet set back seems to be non existent with copper projectiles so I can chamber it 100 times and it will still be the exact same aol as the rest of the mag.
Pretty nice having a little less weight to carry around too.😎👍
My choice for 357 magnum carry. I like this for a 45 ACP (~11.5 mm) nice big wound channel. I have been holding back on getting a 45, but these underwood and some other companies making high velocity ammo makes 45 very appealing.
It definitely makes even the short barrel a pretty potent package.
I carry these in my Colt Defender. They perform well.
Impressive stuff, no doubt.😎👍
Thanks! I’ve been waiting to see your test on these in 45acp! Choosing a short and standard length barrel was perfect and demonstrated that it just doesn’t matter with this ammo. Car windshields, car doors, walls, bone, heavy clothing that JHP fail and even several bullet resistant glass tests have shown that it just doesn’t fail. Yet also doesn’t have crazy unpredictable results that ball ammo can produce such as wild over penetration with small wound channels or changes in direction due to bone or tissue.
Can’t wait to see some detailed 10mm testing!
The consistency from these is very impressive.😎👍
Definitely do more testing with the Colt officer model. I have owned one since 1986. Back then no hollow point ammunition would expand out of the short barrel, so I have always shot 230 grain ball out of it.
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It is fascinating to see how the Underwood Extreme bullets perform in gel. I'm hesitant to jump on using them as a self-defense round for a few reasons. There is yet to be sufficient street data relating to the performance of these bullets. Gel tests were developed to give an idea of how FMJ and hollow points perform primarily with expansion and penetration. So, it makes me uncertain if the damage seen in gel properly correlates with actual damage in flesh. I'll be sticking with what has been proven. Though I'm keeping my eye on these. They just might be proven in time.
The consistency and the way they ignore the cloth is very appealing for sure.
I’m definitely thinking about using ARX / Underwood in my CC rotation during the winter months.
Awesome. My favorite caliber. For 135gr. I suppose comparing to a 9mm would be fair. These both had great velocity and energy. I thought it was tremendous. I will order a box for the Commander.
Thanks Tools 👍
Appreciate ya, brother!😎👍
I like that they are very close one each other. Now if you catcht'em all you can just reload them
I should have put something to catch the chrono ones.😆
John would be proud of that precision shooting. Nice test.
Thank you sir.😎👍
Thanks for the video:) Rewatching this and a long time subscriber.
Things to consider: I have a Glock 30S. 10 rounds. That’s about a 1000 grains less than the standard 230 grains. About two ounces less to carry. Also consider, other than the disruption in the gel it is already “expanded” compared to a 9 mm being .45. So no chance of failure like a normal HP. Very good speed (above +P for normal 9mm) a win win in my opinion.
Great job as usual. That ammo looks like a good choice for an M&P Shield or Springfield XDs. I will definitely pick some up.
Thank you sir. Great performance from a short barrel.😎👍
Good test. I am amazed that the rounds don’t deform or anything. They are some fine rounds for sure. Thanks for the video.
Thank you sir. These things really are impressive.
Always like Underwood extreme penatrators/defenders. They work really well on 4 legged critters
Always good stuff.😎👍
Impressive, I figured 17+" penatration, if I was rocking 45-ACP, I would consider those and the 230gr +P HST, Thank you Sir. 👊🇺🇲
I need to do some more cloth testing of .45acp stuff. Was realizing the other day that most of em I've done are bare gel.
@@ToolsandTargets Sounds good, if you are interested, I can give you the 411 on the IWBA protocol and the FBI protocol for heavy clothing tests with ballistic gel, I enjoyed it, let me know, thanks my friend. 👊 🇺🇲
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135gr +p XD for short barrel compact pistol and 230gr +p HST for full size pistol.
Those Rounds did great for a lighter Bullet, I like the Hornady FTX 185 but Mine is 5inch barrel, Good Job Tools👍
Thank you sir.😎👊
I think they did better out of the shorter barrel ..great comparison tools
Thank you sir.😎👊
No problem buddy 👍
I HAVE A BOX OF THAT AMMO BUT NEVER FIRED IT , I AM IMPRESSED BY YOUR TEST THOUGH. THANKS FOR THE GREAT TEST.
Thank you sir. Definitely some good stuff.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets Your Welcome.
I can see a big advantage in these Lehigh bullets in 45 and other calibers that are normally a lower velocity round since there is no issue with the bullet failing to function as with so many hollow point designs.
Definitely. They don't care anything about this cloth.
I'd like to see some testing of defensive ammo through harder barriers. This was definitely a great test brother tools.
Thank you sir. Gotta work on that.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets you're doing a fantastic job on testing.
The more I see of this ammo the more I'm liking it. It appears to work well in every caliber you've tested. I'm curious to see what response Sig is going to have to your last expose` on their customer service/support. As a business owner myself, that kind of crap means someone is going to lose their job, or in the very least, a written apology with some compensation thrown in. It's not as though you just made stuff up, you have excellent and valid documentation.
A buddy sent me a link today of a thread on the Sig forums. People complaining of this issue with pics attached as recent as a couple weeks ago
Lehigh was just bought out by Wilson Combat and they are in a brand new facility making more of these bullets than ever. Been keeping my eyes peeled to pick up some in different calibers. Excellent test Tools!!!👊👍🙏🇺🇸💪😎
Thank you sir.😎👍
Another great test for the books. Great job, brother. I appreciate the really enjoy these videos.
Thank you sir. Appreciate you!
@Tools&Targets I appreciate YOU, brother. I've been watching your channel for a long time now. I've never met you but don't know you, but you almost seem like family. I'm just an old southern boy, so I guess I relate to you in that fashion. Keep up the great work, buddy.
Good test! I would like to see how the 230 ball ammo would compare to this.
Thank you sir. Got so busy I didn't even think to sling one in beside these as a reference.
They wouldn't unless you think a narrow, 32" + channel with no discernable disruption in the gel is a comparison.
Excellent video, great ammo, I love that stuff! I switch all my carry ammo to this.
Thank you sir. I'm actually considering it.
Thanks for using the 3.5" Colt Tools. My 1911 45 has a 4" barrel, so if a certain round works good with the 3.5" ,it'll probably work a hair better with my 4" barrel. Mine's not +P rated but a mag full of the hot stuff ain't gonna hurt anything if it's just once in a while. My life is worth a lot more than a pistol any day. I hope to see more tests with the little Colt. Keep up the great videos. 👍
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Maybe in addition with the standard competition, the 230 fmj as a standard or known example?
Yeah, I should have slung one into the gel with these as a control.
I would love to see those compared to a fMJ 230 ball. To see the difference in wound track
I almost slung one in there just as a reference.
@@ToolsandTargets I wish you would have. It would be very interesting to see the difference between the two , if there is any at all.
@@americanpatriot477 From what I've seen in the past with the difference between these rounds and fmj, the biggest difference is consistency. If the fmj tumbles, it actually creates a bigger wound channel than these, but if it doesn't it zips right on through.
Interesting. It appears the Extreme Defender is actually more effective from the shorter barrel, with ~1100 fps being perhaps the optimum velocity for this round. FWIW, I carry 124-gr Federal HSTs in my 9mm carry piece, but my backup magazine is loaded with hand loaded 118-gr Extreme Defender bullets on top of 4 grs of Titegroup. 👍👍👍
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That did a lot better than I thought. Excellent as always sir. If you are into suggestions, I have watched your videos on the 500 S&W and since that is a cartridge I am playing with at the moment the caliber interests me. If you have other stuff lined up I understand, just figure I'd mention it.
I'm guessing you saw the gel test I did between it and the .460? I actually thought about putting some type of optic on it to do some more stuff with.
Out of a HK USP 45 Elite I get 1580 fps for the 45 Supers. It would be interesting to see what they would do to gel.
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I definitely come back to your tests more now than any of the other GunTubers. Still trying to decide on carry ammo for that G30S since I picked another one up. As you know short barrels and 45acp are a tricky combo. This test had the 3.5” Colt and the cloth so it is the closest result to what we might see in your G30 at 3.8”. But hoping you might run a test using this ammo and maybe two others in the G30 to try to see what works well in that short barrel. The G29 doesn’t seem to care and all the 10mm ammo just works fine in any barrel length.
👍 Run a few 45 long colt 325 grainers before I spend too much to find out I don't like them ! My local shop has the Grizzly,s for 65 for 25 shells ! Don't buy a box just for this but if you got few laying around that would be cool !
Hmmm, I don't think I have any, but I'll see what I can dig up.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets I've got a whole bunch of 250 grain and smaller . Just wanted to see if the 325,s or 350,s had a huge power dump difference !
I began purchasing Underwood after seeing it used in the SR1911 10mm on Military Arms Channel. Not the defense types but flat-nosed FMJ. After shooting the other big name (range) ammo, the 1500 ft/sec rated Underwood was, for me, the discovery of REAL 10mm. After nearly a hundred rounds, my right wrist was ready to call it a day. As far as .45 goes, I have never considered it for defense, but in a pinch I might rely on---you guessed it----230 grain FMJ. What the hell, it worked in practice.
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From what I've seen of other calibers in this ammo type it doesn't seem to matter what bRrel length you use or what barrier is in the way they all penetrate to roughly the same distance. Some pretty amazing wound channels too I might add. I carry the 90gr +p 9mm in my edc. Might try thr underwood 45 super for my HK and see how she likes it. Some crazy energy levels out of that stuff. Good test as always man!
Thank you sir. The consistency really is impressive.
Interesting! I have all three of Marshall and Sanow’s books on stopping power. I am eagerly awaiting some feedback on these bullets. I don’t know if any cops are using them.
The consistency and clothing barrier blindness is really impressive.
Yay, he’s got his hat back on!!
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Another great test, those would poke a nasty hole in the bad guy. Thanks for sharing
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Very nice performance. Thanks for another great jelly test and have a great evening.
Thank you sir. Appreciate you!
Just picked some of these up at my local shop. They seem pretty good!
Yessir. Both barrel lengths did well.😎👍
T & T I have enjoyed this video as well as a few others since August of ‘22! This ammunition deserves a second chance from me. I’m also not a big fan of230 gr ball. I and at least my mentor have been using 185 gr and 200 gr ammo since the mid 1990’s. I have a thirty plus year old Colt Gold Cup, Colt Officer and a Norinco knock off that have never given me any trouble with the lighter faster bullets.
Really appreciate that, my friend! The consistency and ability to pretty much ignore the cloth from these, is very impressive.😎👍
The disruption in the gel has a lot to do with the placement of the bullet. The lower shots don't get the 360-degree expansion [wound channel] that the uppers get. The lower shots were affected by being near the base. They might have turned around because of this.
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Excelled test!.45ACP in a 1911 is one of the smoothest shooting rounds.
Need an Underwood Exterme Penetrator vs Defender vs Hunter test in 9 or 10 mm.
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I switch to Underwood Xtreme Defenders in 380 and 45 acp cause of them both having issues with clogging with hollow points.
Definitely a smart move from what I've seen.
Thanks for the test. As I was trolling through the bazillion comments, I kept seeing repeated wants of people asking and wishing to see a 45 ball comparison in conjunction with this test. I saw that you mentioned each time that you almost had sent one into the block. Please do next you can to satiate this incessant need of some to see a 45 ball round overpenetrate in a straight line, leaving a narrow channel with no disruption for 32" so these people can get it out of their systems, seeing as the tons of other you tube examples of 45 ball in gel tests doing the same thing over and over again isn't enough for them. Maybe when you test 45 ball through gel it will actually do something hugely amazing and unseen that it hasn't to this point. You know, marinate the round in magic pixie dust all night before the test so that the magic 45 ball round does a trick like perform between an HST, an Extreme Defender, and tactical nuclear weapon.
As soon as a .45 fmj hits this gel, it will immediately throw itself off the cliff from sheer terror...And You Know It!😆😆😆
Good quality control and consistency with the Underwood ammo. I like the way it just rips the cloth with no issues. I think I would use them if need be. Good test for the .45 ACP. Another good test in the books. Thanks for sharing and be safe. ⭐️⭐️🇺🇸⭐️⭐️
Thank you sir. They definitely don't care about the cloth.😎👍
Scored some Axils off the link. Haven't had a chance to do the range with them yet, but, they are good for tunes, and I'll probably use them at work in a high noise environment. Keep up the good work.
Nice! I was really impressed how nice they sound using the BT for tunes. It's super nice when I'm at the range too so I can hear and use my phone through em.
Brian, I do believe John Browning would be thrilled with the Lehigh line, except he might be jealous he didn't think of it himself! These bullets are, in my not-so-humble opinion, the absolute best bullets money can buy! The consistent penetration, even with the varying velocities, the wound channel deformation and the ability to penetrant barriers and continue to work make these bullets as close to a wonder bullet as we are likely to ever see, short of something nuclear or a disruptor beam weapon (in the 40 watt range, of course!). I believe I have lived to see the pinnacle of bullet development! I am now carrying the Lehigh Xtreme Defender in all of my carry guns in all calibers! The ARX is another fine bullet but I do wonder about it's ability to penetrate the harder barriers? I have done no testing with them at all, since I am quite happy with the Lehigh's.
Yeah, I know, I sound like a Lehigh shill but I am not. I'm just a fan of the bullets and I believe in them and I am more than willing to share what testing I have done and seen others do. Including a u tube vid of a freshly killed 125lb pig that had been shot in the the neck with a 300 BO, then shot in the shoulder shortly thereafter with a 9mm 90 gr Lehigh. The only way to describe what was between the entrance hole and bullets final resting spot under the hide of the off side, is mush! These bullets are not magic nor are they some kind of gimmick! They just work and work well!
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It's hard to deny what these things do. I'd still rather have Marvin the Martian's Ray Gun! 👽
Very good performance. More damage and less penetration than an FMJ and a little better penetration than a typical HP
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I've been carrying them in .45, 9mm, and .380 for the last several years. This round replaced the Remington Golden Saber. Barrier blind and consistent performance is the name of the game.
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Not a 45 AARP Guy ( take my 10 any day) but love any Underwood Ammo tests. Those guys just seem to nail it. BTW. Your live stream the other night was fabulous. I even watched it twice. Very refreshing to see more honesty and less bullshit because, even when it comes to the Creator community ..I don’t know who to trust anymore and it sucks. You have a good thing going. Keep up the good work
Thank you sir. Really appreciate that!😎👊
Sure would be nice if you critiqued the 460 Rowland. With those 135 gr Lehighs you’re looking at close to 1900 fps out of a five inch barrel. That’s 300 blackout level velocity ( my hunting loads are 2000 fps with a 125 gr bullet) That would put a big smile on john browning’s face if he knew his 1911 could easily be beefed up with a heavier spring and barrel to be the equivalent of a 44 magnum😊
I need to study up on it.😎👍
Winter carry for me. I always like the Lehigh Defense bullets. You need to do a gel test on the .45 long Colt extreme expansion rounds. Out of your Governor or Judge.
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Funny, all I load in is 230g hard cast lead for .45acp. Nasty weather down along the golf coast tonight. Pretty impressive though.
Big chunks of lead!😎👍
Well it appears this stuff isn’t a “ gimmick “ as a few others have said… I keep it in my .380’s … It’s the one bullet that puts .380 on par with some 9mm’s performance … I don’t have a 45 but I have a couple 40’s I may consider this ammo with. Good video as always
Thank you sir. This is definitely top dog in .380.
Underwood makes great stuff, even when they use projectiles from other manufacturers. Can't go wrong with their quality and consistancy.
Yeah, they definitely load em right.
Most factory test are performed with a six6 inch fixed barrel stand with electronic trigger and calculated to sea level. This will give you much higher velocity!
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Yup, it is really hard to beat 230 gr hard ball. But if you had to use these for self defense, it would work.
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This is my go to channel for 45 acp!!
Appreciate that!😎👊
If these feed reliably in my Kimber Pro Carry this may be my new favorite !
Awesome performance! Might have to get some of those for my 1911
Definitely some good stuff.
I’m very confused at the difference in performance between the 3.5” and the 5” while there was more than a 10% difference in velocity. I have been leery of the X-treme Defenders, as I belong to the “1911 Club” Tools cited. But, these lighter rounds may have made me a believer- at least for a winter carry option!! Thanks Tools, for the valuable content!!!
BTW Tools: A little 230 never hurt anybody (that probably didn’t deserve it)! 😅😅
The consistency is fantastic with these things for sure, but I do enjoy some heavy metal!😎👊
The 185 hollow points they make seem to be monsters as well
In my double stack it cuts a lot of weight too.
Awesome
Stuff man!! Crazy weather!!!!
Yes it is! Back down to freezing for the next few days.🥶
Good Video, but i'll stick with Lead. PDX 1, Golden Sabre, Etc. And yes, i love 230 Grain FMJ's too.
Wilson combat bought out Lehigh defense and now are producing ammo again. They offer this exact round just not Plus P. But out of a 5 inch barrel they are claiming 1250fps. I’d be shocked if there is much difference from these results.
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Thanks for the short barrel, pretty close to my Shield.
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Another good video! 😀 All the rounds did an outstanding job... I love .45acp Thanks for the test Tools! Stay 2A💪 Brother 👊🇺🇲
Thank you sir. These Solid Lehigh bullets are some good stuff.
230 grain ball, Hornady critical duty.
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Which one?
Either one.
Looks good to me have some in 45/70 I haven't tried yet .l see Norma is making that style bullet now. Glad to see your blood pressure back in line! Good on ya 😉
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Wonder how this would be in .45 super? Would also like to see 230 grain 45 super as well maybe even some 450 smc videos
those bullets should have a single wedge like a slot screwdriver. I think they would penetrate more and cut through Kevlar better.
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I like 200gr on down to 170gr. Used to load 185 gr to around 1300 fps. Never saw any pressure signs but they would virtually explode water jugs.
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Awesome round!
But man If I have a choice I’m sticking with 230!
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I really appreciate your videos💯👊🏾. Very informative ! ! !( I do pack these in 9). 👍🏾
Thank you sir. I'm just about convinced to switch all my carry rounds to these.
Underwood performance is top notch. 👍🇺🇸👊
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I think you just helped me find a new round! And the best part is, it didn't cost me a cent lol. Great video T!
Thank you sir. I fight the urge to switch everything I have to these Extreme Defenders every time I test some.😆
I think John Browning actually would approve. Every cartridge he ever introduced was loaded with light low b.c. Bullets it just didn't really make sense to shoot such high b.c. Long heavy bullets in a handgun. Iraqveteran8888 did a video on this a few years back but apparently John Browning was a critic who didn't approve of 230 grain loading in 45 ACP and wished for a 200 or 185 grain loading. Keep in mind John Browning designed the 1911 but not the 45acp cartridge. It makes sense everything else he designed was mostly with light bullets but monolithic projectiles didn't exist at the time he was alive. Personally I lean towards the 185gr Barnes dpx and the 185 gr Hornady American Gunner!
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When it comes to testing these types of projectiles it looks extremely impressive. Everyone is missing something kind of obvious. Ballistic gelatin is supposed to represent a density comparable to tissue- muscle tissue. I don’t think there’s a human being with that much muscle. Once your past the skin, fat,and muscle you hit,obviously the organs which are mostly hollow. Your intestines,stomach,lungs,even the heart is made up of hollow chambers filled with blood. They might make a slightly larger hole in walls of the organs but not much more than an FMJ. In areas where the temperature can go very low,in the winter, these rounds might be a good choice as people are going to be bundled up with layers of clothing. I’ll stick with my 230 gr. HSTs in .45 ACP as they have the ability to expand to .75 of an inch.
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Hey Tools, At the beginning, need to add in some those new style boom booms you got and see if you can set em off with the ammo your showing. 😀💥💥💥😁😆
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underwood makes these in 357sig in a 90grain and 65grain, the 65 is advertised at 2100 feet per second but I've seen over 2200
I have a couple boxes of the bullets, but can't remember what weight.
@@ToolsandTargets kitbadger just had his channel deleted