I've had a few questions on how to start playing competitive TF2, so I'm going to link 2 places to get started. The Newbie Mixes and TFCC run PUGs for new players and have mentors to teach you how to play competitive tf2! Newbie Mixes run on Fridays and TFCC runs the rest of the week. The newbie mixes also have a team drive that you can do where you sign up and get assigned to a team and mentor for a season! I think TFCC also does this but I'm not as familiar. You *MAY* need to play a standard class to start out. If you want to play flank-engie like I did, I HIGHLY recommend playing Flank Scout just so you can get an idea of what roles you're replacing (cleaning up kills, capping, flank support etc etc). You can hop around as well to pick out things that might also benefit from your personal main. I played Pocket Soldier up to Main before doing this, so I was able to pick out things that my role could have benefitted from and implemented them when I played Engineer. But if you're allowed to just hop in and play Engie/Pyro etc etc go for it and have fun! Newbie mixes have a website at: newbie.tf They have a steam group and discord! Both are linked on their website but as a quick link here's the discord: discord.gg/T5qPsQnAnW And TFCC has a discord as well! discord.com/servers/tf2-coaching-central-tf2cc-727627956058325052 This is the league I play in!: rgl.gg If you want to WATCH competitive TF2 I highly recommend checking out the RGL TH-cam channel and stream. I edit for them too! Also DolphiN runs the Twitch stream so say hi for me if you stop by. RGL TH-cam: www.youtube.com/@RGLgg RGL Twitch: twitch.tv/rglgg
I would ***highly*** recommend newbie mixes over tf2cc unless you're in for the tournaments they host every now and then, as pug running is very inconsistent, but newbie mixes is usually always a friendly environment as well as the fact that you get a coach for the duration.
Scout maps are better for engie by far over soldier maps. Just think of the matchup. If scouts are the impactful class, and you rocking +1 sentry. You gain consistency. Path of exile players call it a LAYER of defense. If enemies make it through some of your team, they now also need a way to focus down a sentry BEFORE your team starts getting picks
first of great video! But every "guide" on how to start playing comp tf2 mentions assets for north america seems impossible to start playing comp in Europe with a welcoming enviornment. no newbie mixes etc
I do wish you went over the strengths and weakness of having an engineer on your team, as you spent most of the video reciting how different sixes matches went. Still though, this was a really fantastic idea, and I enjoyed watching it :)
My next video will likely be called "How to play Engineer in 6s" that'll cover it. This was just more of a story video for the season. I originally wrote them together but got 13 failed scripts deep before I decided to split them up into 2 parts and make this first. I'm hoping to get the 2nd done around the summer if I can.
Speaking on 5cp in casual. My brother and I once had a game on snake water last well over two or three hours in valve casual. I do not know how long it went on for because we left after three hours
Haha yeah some people thrive in that environment and I am NOT one of them LOL. It's the same kind of person that enjoyed Powerhouse back when there wasn't a time limit. I usually like to close out the game as fast as possible based on advantages and disadvantages. But not everyone is on that same page, which is fine.
I appreciate it! I had 300 before this video, I just don't upload enough. There's nothing wrong with the algorithm or community etc. I just need to upload more often, that's all.
Pomson isn't banned in any league or format that I know of. It's not worth using at all. The uber% drain is based on range, and if your strat of removing uber% with the pomson is by standing in spawn and spamming it, you a) likely won't hit b) if you do hit you'll drain an insignificant amount of uber and c) the medic is likely already using or has used their uber pushing last so there's no point. And yeah I don't really think the Rescue Ranger being banned is entirely warranted as I mentioned in the video. It actually was legal for a long time until 2016 iirc.
No restriction 6s (with the exception of specific guns) is the way to go. You'd have way more variety in teams. Ranging from a team composed of 2 scouts, 1 pyro, 1 demo, 1 engineer and a medic, to 2 pyros, a demo, a sniper, a soldier and a medic.
I think the variety would change a lot, especially if other gamemodes are played like was done previously in the cups I've run for NR6s or the seasons (we had 5cp, koth, and payload). But I do absolutely agree that some items are far too strong in my experience of testing and running NR6s, those being: Mad Milk, Natascha, Fists of Steel, Wrangler, and the Vaccinator. It would be really cool to see them get toned down a bit as those are items that are also extremely strong in casual as well.
@@QueeQuey Yeah that's what i meant with the exception of some guns. But other than that it'd be great to see how everyone reacts to this. The current meta for 6s is way too monotone for me, always the same maps, classes and loadouts.
@@damsen978 Yeah I agree, but the map part has been changing a bit at least. Bagel and Clearrut are relatively new maps by Competitive TF2 standards, but Sultry was just added in this season for everyone, and the new version of VIlla is in Invite which is sick. But I'd really like to see a new KOTH map enter the pool and force a rotation there. I think starting a general rotation of maps in and out each season (or year which are ~3 seasons) would keep things fresh and encourage meta shifts as well. My golden hope is that Valve could reach out to us for data on NR6s events and implement balance changes based on the events, that way the stronger items could be toned down and be usable in 6s while still being good in casual. Then being able to offclass more + have a variety of gamemodes rather than 2 at the moment would be good for outreach to the casual audience. That being said, especially after the past few seasons I think players are ready to try non-5cp and koth maps in 6s, the issue just is that there aren't being any maps developed in A/D or Payload for 6s at the moment. Scourge was a map that was and it looks great, but it's a highlander focused map now. Maybe we'll see it get tested and played though, but we'll see.
@@QueeQuey Yeah agreed. As for the weapons, i would rather have weapons have two different stats based on what mode they are being used on. Their playstyle would be the same but with different attributes. Like having the Sandman stun as it did before, but only for Casual, and with the slow down as it is now for Competitive (even though it's considered trash in that mode). But that wouldn't make us have to learn the same weapon twice. I don't think it would make it convoluted or anything for players who want to start playing competitive.
@@damsen978 That's actually something I fully disagree with, I talk about it in another video, but it's something that would be another barrier to entry for competitive TF2. Honestly I don't know if the Sandman was nerfed specifically for competitive TF2, a lot of items have that blamed on them but it probably isn't the case (Bison is a great example). The sandman was absolutely busted in Casual and was heavy's worst nightmare from the years I played against it (the average pub sniper and spy were much worse back then than they are now). However, I do think it's OK for items to be bad in Competitive and good in casual. Like the bazaar bargain is really bad in 6s (and highlander for that matter), but is one of, if not the best sniper rifle casually. The Phlog is pretty bad in 6s generally speaking, and is decent in casual, but becomes amazing with a pocket medic and the scorch shot. Then there are items that are really really good in competitive, but are decent in casual like the Solemn Vow, Reserve Shooter, or Frontier Justice. Having the weapons be more or less effective based on gamemode is fine and is good! Unlockable weapons are supposed to be situational, so it's ok if they're used in one place or another. Like I'm fine that nobody uses the Pain Train on defense you know?
Haha thanks! I know you're in Australia but I'm looking forward to running the cup with the Chucklenuts! And I'm sure you could do a much better telling of a season than I could lol.
I love that somebody actually went in trying to break the 6s meta and keep it fresh. I’ve been wanting to do something like this for forever and this video might actually push me over the edge in committing to spy in 6s lmao
@@ghost_ship_supreme Spy's the only truly unuseable class in 6s. With comms and low player counts and the knowledge that there's always a Spy on the enemy team you won't get any stabs. Spy's already very tough to get a kill with in 6s and that's with the enemy team not even trying or comming for a Spy at all. The only way it's viable is if you're top 1 global aim and just go Amby DM with the occasional backcap maybe.
I had a great time playing against you for this season! I was one of the solders in the Snakewater footage. I imagine the phrase "full-time engineer" intimidates a lot of 6s players, but honestly I felt our scrims against your team were very constructive and helped us think a bit more outside the box.
I don't recognize your name at the moment but I appreciate it! There were a lot of teams that I enjoyed scrimming and I even credited some in my frag movie that I made haha.
Having a sleepless night and found this video- haven't played community comp in well over 5 years, but you make me want to play it again. I miss it (and more importantly, my old teammates) greatly. Maybe I'd even like to experiment like you have. Great video, great production quality!
I took a break for a bit before this season so I understand missing your teammates. Since you've been gone pretty much everything in NA is on RGL now rather than ESEA or UGC if you're looking to hop back in and play a cup or a season etc. And thanks man I really appreciate it!
As someone who mains engineer who has never touched competitive due to only wanting to have some casual fun and not bothering to look into comp, this is interesting to say the least. This is the first video I have seen that has (IMO) properly showed off basic competitive TF2 and brushing on its meta. I didn’t even know the meta up until now! I really like the teamwork aspect and somewhat more aggressive play that competitive seems too have, and the strategy/preplanning that goes on before you even start the match. now I am heavily considering trying out competitive, and will most definitely look into it further. Thanks for the amazing video! I’ll be waiting for the competitive engineer video. (patiently, but eagerly)
That's the best feedback I could have gotten! I really appreciate it. And it'll probably be a while with school and work, but I'm HOPING that I can get it out by the summer.
I have no want to play TF2 competitively, but it is always nice to hear people are playing it differently than what the formula is. This was a fun watch and can only hope there are balance changes brought on from Valve to make all weapons viable in these types of formats. Great video
Competitive 6s is a really fascinating topic I enjoy listening to and learning about, and if I had the energy and focus, I would definitely want to get into it, but I've got health problems that would definitely prevent that.
@@simplysmiley4670 i blame valve honestly, they only took account of the comp scene, they shouldve made it rechargeable so it could be used in a casual setting
I would love to play Competitive tf2 but i dont want to use third party stuff to do it, if tf2 offical comp queue is alive, i would probably be playing it a lot
I've never played competitive in my 1500+ hours of TF2, but this might be what motivates me to give it a shot. Great video, love your insight, explanations, and editing.
It was a few seconds I thought "Didn't we fight this guys team?" and it appears we did, it was fun to see what we had to do against something we had never seen before
It's a small thing but it's really cool hearing someone be like "yeah this was my fault as team leader, this is what I did wrong and this is what I learned from that"
Your point about people not understanding how to play 5cp spills over into most casual games. A huge portion of players don't care about actually winning a round and just play TF2 to deathmatch and farm killstreaks.
Never played comp but I love to watch it. I much love the more "wacky" games and play styles, it keeps me and probably other viewers more engaged and wanting to watch. I totally agree with less bans to help make things more fresh. The point you brought up about the vestibules was a really cool one and I'd never thought about.
I loved the polish and organisation of this video, almost everything here oozes love for tf2 comp that few youtubers have successfully articulated, you practiced and worked as hard on this video as you did in scrims and demo reviews
Thanks man! I'm glad you enjoyed it. And I try! I really wanted to make it work and I'm really happy I did. I'm just hoping other can be at least a *little* less intimidated by 6s and the meta.
Man you explain this really good. Perhaps you can make a video how to get into tf2 competitive? Because a lot of players just see this high level strats and hard terminology and miss tf2's wonderful pro scene)
I work for RGL as well (the North American League) and I'm working on a few things over there for guides (ex. I'm dropping a new Callout video for Metalworks on Tuesday). The only thing is that we generally don't want to tell people how to play and accidentally enforce a meta. I'll be doing a guide on this channel on how to play Pocket Soldier some day, but for RGL I'm working on some new player / new team leader guides. As a quick answer, right now the best way to get into competitive TF2 is through the Newbie Mixes at newbie.tf. They run PUGs every Friday and have mentors to teach you how to play. They also run a team drive every season for players to sign up and be assigned to teams with a mentor. The Tf2 coaching central is also good but I don't have their link.
To add on to this- if you want the quick and dirty method of dipping your toes into competitive formats, open up TF2Center, link your steam and join some games. It doesn't take too long if you play on popular hours, and you can find a game while playing a casual match. Note that you can only offclass from the standard 6s lineup extensively in an Offclassing= Allowed tagged game. Good luck entering the fun man.
Pyro's almost playable. I know some teams have played around with it a bit. The main issue is just getting melted by Scouts. If you had like god Flare aim you could maybe make it work. Powerjack + reflect jumps gives you great mobility and Pyro can't be airshot when bombing Medics (because the rocket will get reflected into the Med) so any spam at a choke can become a guaranteed Med pick for a Pyro. It's interesting for sure, but the Scouts thing is ROUGH.
Fulltime pyro honestly has a lot going for it. The double gunboat meta means airblast gives you a good matchup vs everyone but the scouts, you have tools to keep up with your team better than other off-meta classes and none of pyro's unlocks are banned in modern rgl 6s. 2 loadouts stand out to me as being maybe kinda viable: Dragons Fury - Detonator - Powerjack Degreaser - Stock/Panic Attack - Powerjack Would be really interesting to see if someone could make it work.
@@neutraldalek4222 I'd just like to throw out there that if the Soldier knows the matchup in a 1v1 Gunboats is favoured vs Pyro. 0% of 6s players know the matchup and nobody will ever try to learn it (because "ew, Pyro" in MGE) but theoretically they're favoured. The strategy is that you bomb the Pyro and fire one rocket at them, then you try to MG them. If they reflect the rocket, they can't airblast you away and instadie to gardener. If they airblast your garden away, they get hit with a 100 damage guaranteed rocket for free. The only possible out is for the Pyro to reflect airshot you with the rocket, which is borderline impossible if you airstrafe your garden to come from a super different angle. This is less relevant when it comes to actual 6s play because usually your Pyro would likely be a hardcore combo piece stuck to your Med/Demo but if he's ever caught in 1v1s he is unfavoured even vs gunboats.
@@mooncalf_4534 That kind of bomb feels like it wouldn't be something you could pull off even semi-consistently in a real game. But I don't really have the soldier experience to say for sure.
I’ve played engineer in highlander since 2017 and I’ve always had the idea of playing engie full time in 6s. This video was great. Do you have any plans of demo reviewing your engineer matches or creating a video running through strategies for engie in 6s?
I would highly recommend it if you can get on a team that is interested in running one! It was a lot of fun in my experience. I'm currently scripting out a "How to play engineer in 6s" video. Not sure how long it would take given how long this did (I'm hoping to be done by summer?) but I wouldn't be opposed to demo reviewing etc with people. Currently the script goes into team stuff, engineer specific stiff, general strategies, then map specific stuff like rollouts and building placement.
@@QueeQuey sounds great. Take all the time you need. I’ll look into joining a 6s team that’ll let me run engie. Thanks again for making the video and looking at this comment.
this video was way more interesting, hype and entertaining than any video titled "I played engineer in 6s" has any right to be. super fun vid, great storytelling editing etc. but also the way you led your team and you guys played was great too. gg all round lads
This is a great example why people sticking too a meta too much gets them destroyed by classes like Engineer which punish them for what normally would be an acceptable play. People stop being good at the game but rather good at the meta. This is why a lot of games get a toxic relation between casual and comp with Smash Bros being the best example. Everyone is trying to defend their wounded pride in an imperfect system acting like there is a correct way to play forgetting to just play the game. That just because you do well in casual or competitive doesn't mean you'll show the same promise outside of your niche.
beautiful storytelling. if I hadn't already played comp TF2, this is probably the most convincing video I've watched as for why you should give it shot.
this was so cool and inspirational! i havent played tf2 in like a year but it makes me want to play competitively, at least just to try it! very cool video and props to what youre doing for the community :D
Go for it! Like I said in the pinned comment I recommend the newbie mixes! I don't have too much experience with TFCC but I've heard they're really good as well. And thank you!
I'm actually doing full time Engineer in Main this season. Granted we aren't a normal team at all (not scrimming and running full time Pyro as well) it's had some interesting results. While the season isn't over yet, I just wanted to comment that I disagree with your Clearcut analysis, and I think part of the issue you had is not taking into account that Clearcut has plenty of places to build level 3's and it's relatively easy to do since there's so much cover. You can build it in the bunker, to the left of point, behind your bunker to deal with bombers, on the little pillar on the left, and even behind the crate so they don't see it right away (doesn't directly fight point but does watch left and right), or even on top of the crate during a fight if it goes down. I also had success sneaking level 2/3's into their main building after a wipe and got some kills there. Won both matches on it and only dropped 1 round (second match was played unofficially which is why it shows up as forfeit). Metalworks is also a decent map for level 3's. Bagel is great, too, and that dispenser spot is the same one I used, as well as that sneaky forward sentry spot, though with a leveled gun instead of a mini. 5CP is a concern imo, but generally speaking the KotH maps in current rotation are pretty good for Engineer.
The issue I had with level 3s on Clearcut was edging the point as you said, which most teams did if I ever put my gun in Shed. It's a good place to bunker fully, but it was really rare to get a team to commit that far. Also I don't have a pyro, so I'm not sure how much that changed the dynamic. In my experience on clearcut it was more of if the enemy team learned what we were doing at all they could change the dynamic of the game very easily, but if they were like the majority of the teams we would face, we would roll. Yeah Metal was great for leveled guns! And Bagel was my favorite map by far, you can build on everything! I loved mixing the gun spot in Bagel from the center of the room, to closer to point, back toward the staris, and finally onto the computers once they got used to a gun somewhere else and would caught in, it was great! I generally didn't have issues with 5CP in general, the only problem map was Process, and it still wasn't that bad. Personally I'd rather play something like Snakewater over Product or Clearcut, but my team has always been more of a 5CP team rather than a KOTH team so it's probably team dependent. But I'm glad to hear someone else is doing it! The only other person that I know that was thinking about doing it with us was Austin from Yeye, so it's cool to have a few more people out there trying off-meta stuff!
You make me want to play tf2 comp so much.. unluckily i am in asia and i think the scene is kinda dead to nonexistent here? Honestly i'm kinda shocked as to how vibrant it seems to be in NA from this video the last time I looked at the forums here the newest post was like from 2 years ago or something ridiculous like that so I thought tf2 comp in general was just withering.
There is always OZfortress where some top players are Asians and Australians like witness gaming cause it’s a Australian league that let Asians play as well
If I didn't have enough commenters talking about wanting to start competitive TF2 I would pin this lol. But I love bagel! I'd really like to see it officially added to TF2, hopefully in the summer update! The same does go for the other community maps that I've played in rotations, I think I've liked pretty much all of them. Anyway, thanks for making bagel! I've always enjoyed it.
Incredible video man. Excellent content, I really agree with the vestibule idea, I had never even thought of that, I truly think it would fix a lot of stalemate and weapon ban related issues Also love that you’ve trying to advance the meta, TF2 could definitely use that being an older game. Good stuff
Yeah it's something that I'd really like to try and experiment with to see if it nerfs last holds in general as right now it can be really hard to push last. And thanks man, appreciate it!
i enjoy listening to u talk its very informative and attention grabbing c: but i was having a shitty day and the scout saying "whats up pussies" and being supportive of engineer made me feel better
36:27 The funny thing about the wrangler, is that the literal only reason it is overpowered is the shield. If it didn't have the "triple sentry health for free" shield, it would be well balanced.
Yeah pretty much. Still very strong for a defensive engineer but it wouldn't be a must-pick for offensive engineers in higher level environments. I would love to see it get a nerf some day.
yo, im a flank scout player who's been playing 6s since around 2016-ish, and i've been theorycrafting this exact strategy for a long time but never actually put it into practice. it's really cool to see someone pull this off what league/division was this played in anyway?
Thanks for the video! I have never played comp before, but I've always been interested about offclassing in competitive play, and your video provides a lot of information about how to play engineer. Nice job making it to playoffs!
I'll be making a video more in depth specifically about playing engineer in 6s! It'll probably be a while before it comes out though, I'm shooting for around summertime if I can. And thank you!
I have next to 0 experience with TF2 competitive. I usually wing it like FranzJ when he plays CS:GO 5v5 Comp. But it sounds like this is one of the better attempts to shift the meta for comp TF2,
I love this video. In competitive games the meta is almost always not the best way to play the game. Its not being contrarian its just applying better game sense approaches. I also think global bans are stupid in any competitive game
Thanks I appreciate it! And yeah I see that commonly, I think the issue is that many players just want to emulate what the 1st place team does in different games and that just slowly becomes the meta, regardless if it fits their team style or not. I'm hoping TF2 can become more inclusive as time goes on and it looks like that it's possible through RGL and players in North America thankfully.
I wonder how Uncle Dane's loadout theory for Engie applies to comp. Is more or less "you need the extra health and ability to place two sentries with full metal" or can you actually get some nuance running the Jag or Eureka, and any of the variety of shotguns?
It's mostly a standardized rollout with wrench swaps after the fact. You'll always use the gunslinger on rollout so you can reach mid with the extra 25 max HP. And yeah! Every shotgun is good except for the Pomson but the Rescue Ranger is currently banned (if it was unbanned it'd get some use). I typically just used the Stock Shotgun and Frontier Justice, but I'd use the Panic Attack occasionally when forward-holding. Widowmaker is only really useful when you're rolling the other team and want to have some fun. That or when pushing last on specific maps but I'd generally pick the Stock or Panic Attack instead.
I still have some of our matches saved. Only gully is up right now but I will link a playlist in a few hours... th-cam.com/video/vJ8XOG6J3jg/w-d-xo.html Playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLjHohFi-Y44mV3_3T2F4j0iX6RTjLGTnQ.html
Will you ever do a video ranking the soldiers whitelisted weapons? I feel like many of the other TH-camrs talk about them with a pub stomping perspective where the effectiveness doesn’t really matter because it’s casual and every weapon can be effective
Great video. I wish you were more in depth on how playing engineer went through. Like what your thought process was, or how teleporters factored in . I really hope the 6s meta becomes more open to all the classes.
Next video! It'll probably be called "HOW to play Engineer in 6s", it'll likely be a while before it comes out, I'm shooting for around the summer given I'm pretty busy.
i have a feeling this only proves that tf2 having a meta is pretty redundant. you can literally play any class and it'll work so long as you play the class in a way that benefits the outcome
Yeah pretty much! Working around the current meta is necessary given it's what you're going to be dealing with most of the time, but there's nothing stopping a team from playing completely differently and carving our a niche other than scrims being harder to get.
Yeah I've heard that a bit. I was lucky to have great teammates/friends, and nowadays I would say that the scene is more progressive than it has been (but it still needs some big pushes, RGL has been moving in the right direction thankfully). I'm hoping when RGL PUGs come out players will slowly become welcoming to new players that main Engie, Pyro, Heavy etc.
I don't know of any Spy mains outside of Highlander yet (spy is always played in Highlander) . But since this video I've received a few messages from Spy players interested in making it work in 6s. Quite a few comments from Pyros, but nothing yet from Heavy or Sniper players interestingly enough.
Honestly, this is the kind of shit i live for, coming up with off meta strats to force other teams to adapt. It really tests the flexibility of teams and players in sixes and its fun as hell to see
Great video, I love seeing people giving permanent off-classing a shot. Not surprised you play in RGL, ETF2L is way more conservative and I think quite a few teams here would have refused to even play against your team. I once tried running gunslinger engie on Product and the enemy team ended the scrim.
A couple notes from moments in this. "Enemy team ragequits when losing" - I personally think if this happens during a match, not a scrim, the enemy team should be struck with a penalty for the behavior. Going totally stale is what kills comp in games, and that's basically them saying "well we didn't lose to the meta, so we didn't lose" by leaving. "Enemy team denies a time slot then scrims during it" - Another thing I truly think should be struck with some kind of penalty, this kind of thing, as it seems like a team HOPING they can cause issues, and force a lose, which they did... But since you still won 2 matches during that I'd say they still didn't do 100% well against this. "We did have multiple teams in play-offs reach out to scrim us" - Now THIS is a good thing to hear, the fact that they wanted to have an unusual team to play against, because it meant more fun matches then the stock standard meta team comps. "Crushing the other team on both of the maps in play-offs, them refusing to adapt" - Can see why they'd be considered toxic, they likely considered your team not even worth the effort, but HAD to fight you now, and would likely have quit if it was just scrims. Crushing them proves their failures and is absolutely fantastic. Overall it seems like good players wanna play with different classes. Bad players, or rather players who are more toxic want the meta to remain because they can't adapt as well. I've seen multiple videos on this kind of idea and it always has multiple issues with players not wanting to scrim teams with different designs.
Haha no, but Dane did help me finalize the script! I was having issues getting it done before I decided to split this into 2 videos (this is the story, 2nd is a how to play engie in 6s). You can check the description of everyone who helped me!
I've had a few questions on how to start playing competitive TF2, so I'm going to link 2 places to get started. The Newbie Mixes and TFCC run PUGs for new players and have mentors to teach you how to play competitive tf2! Newbie Mixes run on Fridays and TFCC runs the rest of the week. The newbie mixes also have a team drive that you can do where you sign up and get assigned to a team and mentor for a season! I think TFCC also does this but I'm not as familiar. You *MAY* need to play a standard class to start out. If you want to play flank-engie like I did, I HIGHLY recommend playing Flank Scout just so you can get an idea of what roles you're replacing (cleaning up kills, capping, flank support etc etc). You can hop around as well to pick out things that might also benefit from your personal main. I played Pocket Soldier up to Main before doing this, so I was able to pick out things that my role could have benefitted from and implemented them when I played Engineer. But if you're allowed to just hop in and play Engie/Pyro etc etc go for it and have fun!
Newbie mixes have a website at: newbie.tf
They have a steam group and discord! Both are linked on their website but as a quick link here's the discord:
discord.gg/T5qPsQnAnW
And TFCC has a discord as well!
discord.com/servers/tf2-coaching-central-tf2cc-727627956058325052
This is the league I play in!: rgl.gg
If you want to WATCH competitive TF2 I highly recommend checking out the RGL TH-cam channel and stream. I edit for them too! Also DolphiN runs the Twitch stream so say hi for me if you stop by.
RGL TH-cam:
www.youtube.com/@RGLgg
RGL Twitch:
twitch.tv/rglgg
I would ***highly*** recommend newbie mixes over tf2cc unless you're in for the tournaments they host every now and then, as pug running is very inconsistent, but newbie mixes is usually always a friendly environment as well as the fact that you get a coach for the duration.
Scout maps are better for engie by far over soldier maps. Just think of the matchup. If scouts are the impactful class, and you rocking +1 sentry. You gain consistency. Path of exile players call it a LAYER of defense. If enemies make it through some of your team, they now also need a way to focus down a sentry BEFORE your team starts getting picks
first of great video!
But every "guide" on how to start playing comp tf2 mentions assets for north america seems impossible to start playing comp in Europe with a welcoming enviornment. no newbie mixes etc
“Get off engie or we bait” that was one of the highlights of scrims
What's baiting
What's scrims
What's engie
What is love
@@Kapech_the_first baby don’t hurt me.
Huge video, large in nature and impact, very optimized and lubricated, 10/10
I don't play TF2 anymore but this kind in in-depth video is not just for TF2 enjoyers. Good well made content is enjoyable for it's own means.
how does this guy only have 400 subs?
this was such an exciting and interesting vid.
all i gotta say is that you have a new sub! :)
Thanks for the sub!
36:44 the background music, it's that one crazy frog song
I do wish you went over the strengths and weakness of having an engineer on your team, as you spent most of the video reciting how different sixes matches went. Still though, this was a really fantastic idea, and I enjoyed watching it :)
My next video will likely be called "How to play Engineer in 6s" that'll cover it. This was just more of a story video for the season. I originally wrote them together but got 13 failed scripts deep before I decided to split them up into 2 parts and make this first. I'm hoping to get the 2nd done around the summer if I can.
@@QueeQuey Oh, thank you for responding! I'm excited to see it :)
@@QueeQuey yoooo im super excited
34:44 WHY IS LIFE WILL CHANGE PLAYING
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Great video
Thanks I appreciate it!
LAN isn't exclusive to competitive, it is an local area network. A lot of consoles in general allow LAN connections for free.
Speaking on 5cp in casual. My brother and I once had a game on snake water last well over two or three hours in valve casual. I do not know how long it went on for because we left after three hours
Haha yeah some people thrive in that environment and I am NOT one of them LOL. It's the same kind of person that enjoyed Powerhouse back when there wasn't a time limit. I usually like to close out the game as fast as possible based on advantages and disadvantages. But not everyone is on that same page, which is fine.
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Only 900 subscribers? This video quality is way too good for that amount.
I appreciate it! I had 300 before this video, I just don't upload enough. There's nothing wrong with the algorithm or community etc. I just need to upload more often, that's all.
This is so cool
Wait the pomson even tough it sucks it still remove Uber but isn't banned in 6s although the rescue ranger is?
Pomson isn't banned in any league or format that I know of. It's not worth using at all. The uber% drain is based on range, and if your strat of removing uber% with the pomson is by standing in spawn and spamming it, you a) likely won't hit b) if you do hit you'll drain an insignificant amount of uber and c) the medic is likely already using or has used their uber pushing last so there's no point.
And yeah I don't really think the Rescue Ranger being banned is entirely warranted as I mentioned in the video. It actually was legal for a long time until 2016 iirc.
“Only an 8 hour drive” yall competition gamers are crazy
Welcome to the United States when you don't live on the East Coast lol.
No restriction 6s (with the exception of specific guns) is the way to go. You'd have way more variety in teams. Ranging from a team composed of 2 scouts, 1 pyro, 1 demo, 1 engineer and a medic, to 2 pyros, a demo, a sniper, a soldier and a medic.
I think the variety would change a lot, especially if other gamemodes are played like was done previously in the cups I've run for NR6s or the seasons (we had 5cp, koth, and payload). But I do absolutely agree that some items are far too strong in my experience of testing and running NR6s, those being: Mad Milk, Natascha, Fists of Steel, Wrangler, and the Vaccinator. It would be really cool to see them get toned down a bit as those are items that are also extremely strong in casual as well.
@@QueeQuey Yeah that's what i meant with the exception of some guns. But other than that it'd be great to see how everyone reacts to this. The current meta for 6s is way too monotone for me, always the same maps, classes and loadouts.
@@damsen978 Yeah I agree, but the map part has been changing a bit at least. Bagel and Clearrut are relatively new maps by Competitive TF2 standards, but Sultry was just added in this season for everyone, and the new version of VIlla is in Invite which is sick. But I'd really like to see a new KOTH map enter the pool and force a rotation there. I think starting a general rotation of maps in and out each season (or year which are ~3 seasons) would keep things fresh and encourage meta shifts as well.
My golden hope is that Valve could reach out to us for data on NR6s events and implement balance changes based on the events, that way the stronger items could be toned down and be usable in 6s while still being good in casual. Then being able to offclass more + have a variety of gamemodes rather than 2 at the moment would be good for outreach to the casual audience. That being said, especially after the past few seasons I think players are ready to try non-5cp and koth maps in 6s, the issue just is that there aren't being any maps developed in A/D or Payload for 6s at the moment. Scourge was a map that was and it looks great, but it's a highlander focused map now. Maybe we'll see it get tested and played though, but we'll see.
@@QueeQuey Yeah agreed. As for the weapons, i would rather have weapons have two different stats based on what mode they are being used on.
Their playstyle would be the same but with different attributes. Like having the Sandman stun as it did before, but only for Casual, and with the slow down as it is now for Competitive (even though it's considered trash in that mode). But that wouldn't make us have to learn the same weapon twice. I don't think it would make it convoluted or anything for players who want to start playing competitive.
@@damsen978 That's actually something I fully disagree with, I talk about it in another video, but it's something that would be another barrier to entry for competitive TF2. Honestly I don't know if the Sandman was nerfed specifically for competitive TF2, a lot of items have that blamed on them but it probably isn't the case (Bison is a great example). The sandman was absolutely busted in Casual and was heavy's worst nightmare from the years I played against it (the average pub sniper and spy were much worse back then than they are now).
However, I do think it's OK for items to be bad in Competitive and good in casual. Like the bazaar bargain is really bad in 6s (and highlander for that matter), but is one of, if not the best sniper rifle casually. The Phlog is pretty bad in 6s generally speaking, and is decent in casual, but becomes amazing with a pocket medic and the scorch shot. Then there are items that are really really good in competitive, but are decent in casual like the Solemn Vow, Reserve Shooter, or Frontier Justice.
Having the weapons be more or less effective based on gamemode is fine and is good! Unlockable weapons are supposed to be situational, so it's ok if they're used in one place or another. Like I'm fine that nobody uses the Pain Train on defense you know?
This was a super interesting watch! You've given me that itch to play competitive again...
Haha thanks! I know you're in Australia but I'm looking forward to running the cup with the Chucklenuts! And I'm sure you could do a much better telling of a season than I could lol.
Come mge
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A short but awesome career elmaxo. Hate to see you go but it was great while it lasted
The enemy team finding a ringer for you is a great show of sportsmanship
Absolutely! It was nice of them to do so.
I love that somebody actually went in trying to break the 6s meta and keep it fresh. I’ve been wanting to do something like this for forever and this video might actually push me over the edge in committing to spy in 6s lmao
Check out @CoolstuffTF2 he is a dope spy 6s player
you should do it would love to see that
Do it! I’d love to see this if you’re a god at spy and can pull it off! I’d root for you… :)
@@ghost_ship_supreme Spy's the only truly unuseable class in 6s. With comms and low player counts and the knowledge that there's always a Spy on the enemy team you won't get any stabs. Spy's already very tough to get a kill with in 6s and that's with the enemy team not even trying or comming for a Spy at all. The only way it's viable is if you're top 1 global aim and just go Amby DM with the occasional backcap maybe.
@@ghost_ship_supreme lmao you could be the best spy player in the world but once the opponent knows you're running spy, it becomes literally useless
I had a great time playing against you for this season! I was one of the solders in the Snakewater footage. I imagine the phrase "full-time engineer" intimidates a lot of 6s players, but honestly I felt our scrims against your team were very constructive and helped us think a bit more outside the box.
I don't recognize your name at the moment but I appreciate it! There were a lot of teams that I enjoyed scrimming and I even credited some in my frag movie that I made haha.
heh... constructive
oh hi grey
@@damsen978god damn
@@QueeQueydo you plan to make a guide to engi in 6s
Having a sleepless night and found this video- haven't played community comp in well over 5 years, but you make me want to play it again. I miss it (and more importantly, my old teammates) greatly. Maybe I'd even like to experiment like you have. Great video, great production quality!
I took a break for a bit before this season so I understand missing your teammates. Since you've been gone pretty much everything in NA is on RGL now rather than ESEA or UGC if you're looking to hop back in and play a cup or a season etc. And thanks man I really appreciate it!
As someone who mains engineer who has never touched competitive due to only wanting to have some casual fun and not bothering to look into comp, this is interesting to say the least. This is the first video I have seen that has (IMO) properly showed off basic competitive TF2 and brushing on its meta. I didn’t even know the meta up until now! I really like the teamwork aspect and somewhat more aggressive play that competitive seems too have, and the strategy/preplanning that goes on before you even start the match. now I am heavily considering trying out competitive, and will most definitely look into it further.
Thanks for the amazing video!
I’ll be waiting for the competitive engineer video. (patiently, but eagerly)
That's the best feedback I could have gotten! I really appreciate it. And it'll probably be a while with school and work, but I'm HOPING that I can get it out by the summer.
I have no want to play TF2 competitively, but it is always nice to hear people are playing it differently than what the formula is. This was a fun watch and can only hope there are balance changes brought on from Valve to make all weapons viable in these types of formats. Great video
Competitive 6s is a really fascinating topic I enjoy listening to and learning about, and if I had the energy and focus, I would definitely want to get into it, but I've got health problems that would definitely prevent that.
ehhhhh it ruined the caber when they tried, so dunno about that
@@simplysmiley4670 i blame valve honestly, they only took account of the comp scene, they shouldve made it rechargeable so it could be used in a casual setting
@@mdbgamer556 there are pug server that you can play in so you dont need to commit to learning
I would love to play Competitive tf2 but i dont want to use third party stuff to do it, if tf2 offical comp queue is alive, i would probably be playing it a lot
I've never played competitive in my 1500+ hours of TF2, but this might be what motivates me to give it a shot. Great video, love your insight, explanations, and editing.
Thanks I really appreciate it! Feedback like that is great to hear! If you give it a shot just remember to relax and have fun!
It was a few seconds I thought "Didn't we fight this guys team?" and it appears we did, it was fun to see what we had to do against something we had never seen before
Nice
the dispenser climbing is fire
I love your willingness to take responsibility for the bad things that happen to your team. It’s a good leadership quality.
It's a small thing but it's really cool hearing someone be like "yeah this was my fault as team leader, this is what I did wrong and this is what I learned from that"
This is some of the coolest Comp stuff I've seen. Great vid and plays mate!
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
man i thought he was playing engineer for 6 seconds not play actual sixes, im stupid.
Your point about people not understanding how to play 5cp spills over into most casual games. A huge portion of players don't care about actually winning a round and just play TF2 to deathmatch and farm killstreaks.
I absolutely despise playing Engineer and don’t really play comp at all, but this video is absolutely fantastic. Not even exaggerating. Great job!
Thanks mate!
Never played comp but I love to watch it. I much love the more "wacky" games and play styles, it keeps me and probably other viewers more engaged and wanting to watch. I totally agree with less bans to help make things more fresh. The point you brought up about the vestibules was a really cool one and I'd never thought about.
Haha I understand that. And yeah the vestibule thing hasn't really been talked about in recent years but I think it's a discussion worth having!
I loved the polish and organisation of this video, almost everything here oozes love for tf2 comp that few youtubers have successfully articulated, you practiced and worked as hard on this video as you did in scrims and demo reviews
Thanks man! I'm glad you enjoyed it. And I try! I really wanted to make it work and I'm really happy I did. I'm just hoping other can be at least a *little* less intimidated by 6s and the meta.
Man you explain this really good. Perhaps you can make a video how to get into tf2 competitive? Because a lot of players just see this high level strats and hard terminology and miss tf2's wonderful pro scene)
I work for RGL as well (the North American League) and I'm working on a few things over there for guides (ex. I'm dropping a new Callout video for Metalworks on Tuesday). The only thing is that we generally don't want to tell people how to play and accidentally enforce a meta. I'll be doing a guide on this channel on how to play Pocket Soldier some day, but for RGL I'm working on some new player / new team leader guides.
As a quick answer, right now the best way to get into competitive TF2 is through the Newbie Mixes at newbie.tf. They run PUGs every Friday and have mentors to teach you how to play. They also run a team drive every season for players to sign up and be assigned to teams with a mentor. The Tf2 coaching central is also good but I don't have their link.
To add on to this- if you want the quick and dirty method of dipping your toes into competitive formats, open up TF2Center, link your steam and join some games. It doesn't take too long if you play on popular hours, and you can find a game while playing a casual match. Note that you can only offclass from the standard 6s lineup extensively in an Offclassing= Allowed tagged game. Good luck entering the fun man.
@@QueeQuey can u tell sites where u can play comp
@@zxvc849 Check the pinned comment! As for the league I played in, I played in: rgl.gg
Interesting shakeup. I would be down to try a season on pyro 😁
Pyro's almost playable. I know some teams have played around with it a bit. The main issue is just getting melted by Scouts. If you had like god Flare aim you could maybe make it work. Powerjack + reflect jumps gives you great mobility and Pyro can't be airshot when bombing Medics (because the rocket will get reflected into the Med) so any spam at a choke can become a guaranteed Med pick for a Pyro. It's interesting for sure, but the Scouts thing is ROUGH.
Fulltime pyro honestly has a lot going for it. The double gunboat meta means airblast gives you a good matchup vs everyone but the scouts, you have tools to keep up with your team better than other off-meta classes and none of pyro's unlocks are banned in modern rgl 6s.
2 loadouts stand out to me as being maybe kinda viable:
Dragons Fury - Detonator - Powerjack
Degreaser - Stock/Panic Attack - Powerjack
Would be really interesting to see if someone could make it work.
@@neutraldalek4222 I'd just like to throw out there that if the Soldier knows the matchup in a 1v1 Gunboats is favoured vs Pyro. 0% of 6s players know the matchup and nobody will ever try to learn it (because "ew, Pyro" in MGE) but theoretically they're favoured.
The strategy is that you bomb the Pyro and fire one rocket at them, then you try to MG them. If they reflect the rocket, they can't airblast you away and instadie to gardener. If they airblast your garden away, they get hit with a 100 damage guaranteed rocket for free. The only possible out is for the Pyro to reflect airshot you with the rocket, which is borderline impossible if you airstrafe your garden to come from a super different angle.
This is less relevant when it comes to actual 6s play because usually your Pyro would likely be a hardcore combo piece stuck to your Med/Demo but if he's ever caught in 1v1s he is unfavoured even vs gunboats.
@@mooncalf_4534 That kind of bomb feels like it wouldn't be something you could pull off even semi-consistently in a real game. But I don't really have the soldier experience to say for sure.
I’ve played engineer in highlander since 2017 and I’ve always had the idea of playing engie full time in 6s. This video was great. Do you have any plans of demo reviewing your engineer matches or creating a video running through strategies for engie in 6s?
I would highly recommend it if you can get on a team that is interested in running one! It was a lot of fun in my experience. I'm currently scripting out a "How to play engineer in 6s" video. Not sure how long it would take given how long this did (I'm hoping to be done by summer?) but I wouldn't be opposed to demo reviewing etc with people. Currently the script goes into team stuff, engineer specific stiff, general strategies, then map specific stuff like rollouts and building placement.
@@QueeQuey sounds great. Take all the time you need. I’ll look into joining a 6s team that’ll let me run engie. Thanks again for making the video and looking at this comment.
16:43 “only an eight hour drive” smh americans
Well when you have no other options besides a $1k plane ticket, it's not too bad.
You seem like the type of guy who never dissapoints.
I try not to :P
Are you IM yet?
@@tokey2423 keep yourself safe :D
Here before this video blows up B)
this video was way more interesting, hype and entertaining than any video titled "I played engineer in 6s" has any right to be. super fun vid, great storytelling editing etc. but also the way you led your team and you guys played was great too. gg all round lads
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it and I appreciate the comment!
Clickbait
The video is not actually 6 seconds
Watching you play engi and destroying people not only with your sentry, but your shotgun as well feel so good
This is a great example why people sticking too a meta too much gets them destroyed by classes like Engineer which punish them for what normally would be an acceptable play. People stop being good at the game but rather good at the meta.
This is why a lot of games get a toxic relation between casual and comp with Smash Bros being the best example.
Everyone is trying to defend their wounded pride in an imperfect system acting like there is a correct way to play forgetting to just play the game. That just because you do well in casual or competitive doesn't mean you'll show the same promise outside of your niche.
I'm the one here who read a title as "I played Engineer in 6 seconds"?
beautiful storytelling. if I hadn't already played comp TF2, this is probably the most convincing video I've watched as for why you should give it shot.
this is peak engineer gaming
dude we spoke yesterday a bit about tf2 comp and you recommended me some stuff! what i considence to get recommended your video
God, even half a year later, this is still one of my favorite videos of the year, maybe my favorite competitive-based TF2 video ever
this was so cool and inspirational! i havent played tf2 in like a year but it makes me want to play competitively, at least just to try it! very cool video and props to what youre doing for the community :D
Go for it! Like I said in the pinned comment I recommend the newbie mixes! I don't have too much experience with TFCC but I've heard they're really good as well. And thank you!
I'm actually doing full time Engineer in Main this season. Granted we aren't a normal team at all (not scrimming and running full time Pyro as well) it's had some interesting results. While the season isn't over yet, I just wanted to comment that I disagree with your Clearcut analysis, and I think part of the issue you had is not taking into account that Clearcut has plenty of places to build level 3's and it's relatively easy to do since there's so much cover. You can build it in the bunker, to the left of point, behind your bunker to deal with bombers, on the little pillar on the left, and even behind the crate so they don't see it right away (doesn't directly fight point but does watch left and right), or even on top of the crate during a fight if it goes down. I also had success sneaking level 2/3's into their main building after a wipe and got some kills there. Won both matches on it and only dropped 1 round (second match was played unofficially which is why it shows up as forfeit). Metalworks is also a decent map for level 3's. Bagel is great, too, and that dispenser spot is the same one I used, as well as that sneaky forward sentry spot, though with a leveled gun instead of a mini. 5CP is a concern imo, but generally speaking the KotH maps in current rotation are pretty good for Engineer.
The issue I had with level 3s on Clearcut was edging the point as you said, which most teams did if I ever put my gun in Shed. It's a good place to bunker fully, but it was really rare to get a team to commit that far. Also I don't have a pyro, so I'm not sure how much that changed the dynamic. In my experience on clearcut it was more of if the enemy team learned what we were doing at all they could change the dynamic of the game very easily, but if they were like the majority of the teams we would face, we would roll. Yeah Metal was great for leveled guns! And Bagel was my favorite map by far, you can build on everything! I loved mixing the gun spot in Bagel from the center of the room, to closer to point, back toward the staris, and finally onto the computers once they got used to a gun somewhere else and would caught in, it was great! I generally didn't have issues with 5CP in general, the only problem map was Process, and it still wasn't that bad. Personally I'd rather play something like Snakewater over Product or Clearcut, but my team has always been more of a 5CP team rather than a KOTH team so it's probably team dependent. But I'm glad to hear someone else is doing it! The only other person that I know that was thinking about doing it with us was Austin from Yeye, so it's cool to have a few more people out there trying off-meta stuff!
You make me want to play tf2 comp so much.. unluckily i am in asia and i think the scene is kinda dead to nonexistent here? Honestly i'm kinda shocked as to how vibrant it seems to be in NA from this video the last time I looked at the forums here the newest post was like from 2 years ago or something ridiculous like that so I thought tf2 comp in general was just withering.
There is always OZfortress where some top players are Asians and Australians like witness gaming cause it’s a Australian league that let Asians play as well
@@bethnicz oh huh i didnt know OZfortress let asians in, is the ping typically bearable though? I usually get like 100+ when connecting to australia
@@Houndouur I’m from the NA region so idrk for curtain but I know if they can you can as well :)
Only cowards use nobuild as a map balance tool.
(I made Bagel and it's super validating to see this video confirm it's fun for off-meta classes!)
If I didn't have enough commenters talking about wanting to start competitive TF2 I would pin this lol. But I love bagel! I'd really like to see it officially added to TF2, hopefully in the summer update! The same does go for the other community maps that I've played in rotations, I think I've liked pretty much all of them. Anyway, thanks for making bagel! I've always enjoyed it.
we had to play against a perma engie last night on product for one of our scrims i blame u
I'll take it! And I think product is a decent map for engie, not amazing like Bagel, but decent.
I love this trend of using SiIvaGunner long-form rips as background music for TF2 videos.
whats the point of getting into tf2 comp if even b4nny struggles to make a living off it?
For the fun it, that's really it. Givin, it's subjective if you find it fun
Fun
what's the point of playing video games at all? most people don't make money playing the majority of games.
Incredible video man. Excellent content, I really agree with the vestibule idea, I had never even thought of that, I truly think it would fix a lot of stalemate and weapon ban related issues
Also love that you’ve trying to advance the meta, TF2 could definitely use that being an older game.
Good stuff
Yeah it's something that I'd really like to try and experiment with to see if it nerfs last holds in general as right now it can be really hard to push last. And thanks man, appreciate it!
i enjoy listening to u talk its very informative and attention grabbing c:
but i was having a shitty day and the scout saying "whats up pussies" and being supportive of engineer made me feel better
36:27 The funny thing about the wrangler, is that the literal only reason it is overpowered is the shield. If it didn't have the "triple sentry health for free" shield, it would be well balanced.
Yeah pretty much. Still very strong for a defensive engineer but it wouldn't be a must-pick for offensive engineers in higher level environments. I would love to see it get a nerf some day.
yo, im a flank scout player who's been playing 6s since around 2016-ish, and i've been theorycrafting this exact strategy for a long time but never actually put it into practice. it's really cool to see someone pull this off
what league/division was this played in anyway?
Thanks for the video! I have never played comp before, but I've always been interested about offclassing in competitive play, and your video provides a lot of information about how to play engineer. Nice job making it to playoffs!
I'll be making a video more in depth specifically about playing engineer in 6s! It'll probably be a while before it comes out though, I'm shooting for around summertime if I can. And thank you!
TF2 is the best competitive game, but nobody plays it competitive
I have next to 0 experience with TF2 competitive. I usually wing it like FranzJ when he plays CS:GO 5v5 Comp. But it sounds like this is one of the better attempts to shift the meta for comp TF2,
Bro only put his good clips in
I love this video. In competitive games the meta is almost always not the best way to play the game. Its not being contrarian its just applying better game sense approaches. I also think global bans are stupid in any competitive game
Thanks I appreciate it! And yeah I see that commonly, I think the issue is that many players just want to emulate what the 1st place team does in different games and that just slowly becomes the meta, regardless if it fits their team style or not. I'm hoping TF2 can become more inclusive as time goes on and it looks like that it's possible through RGL and players in North America thankfully.
the only thing i learned from this is that apparently there are TF2 LAN parties in Philadelphia.
"valve if you're watching"
is basically asking santa or the tooth fairy if they're watching
Ah, otherwise skilled enemy gamers participating in the long-time TF2 tradition of not understanding and refusing to learn how mini-sentries play.
33:57 hense why Highlander SUCKS as gamemode AND as a way to balance the casual
I thought the title was “I played engineer in 6s (as in seconds)”
I wonder how Uncle Dane's loadout theory for Engie applies to comp. Is more or less "you need the extra health and ability to place two sentries with full metal" or can you actually get some nuance running the Jag or Eureka, and any of the variety of shotguns?
It's mostly a standardized rollout with wrench swaps after the fact. You'll always use the gunslinger on rollout so you can reach mid with the extra 25 max HP. And yeah! Every shotgun is good except for the Pomson but the Rescue Ranger is currently banned (if it was unbanned it'd get some use). I typically just used the Stock Shotgun and Frontier Justice, but I'd use the Panic Attack occasionally when forward-holding. Widowmaker is only really useful when you're rolling the other team and want to have some fun. That or when pushing last on specific maps but I'd generally pick the Stock or Panic Attack instead.
About time the comp players learned there’s more than 5 classes
I think it'd be kinda cool if you did demo reviews or full match (with coms) Vos.
I still have some of our matches saved. Only gully is up right now but I will link a playlist in a few hours... th-cam.com/video/vJ8XOG6J3jg/w-d-xo.html
Playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLjHohFi-Y44mV3_3T2F4j0iX6RTjLGTnQ.html
i thought the title was "i played engineer in 6 seconds"... oops
It's been awhile since I had felt genuine excitement. Watching this video was one of those things that had the honor of giving me that excitement.
Haha thanks!
Will you ever do a video ranking the soldiers whitelisted weapons? I feel like many of the other TH-camrs talk about them with a pub stomping perspective where the effectiveness doesn’t really matter because it’s casual and every weapon can be effective
Great video. I wish you were more in depth on how playing engineer went through. Like what your thought process was, or how teleporters factored in . I really hope the 6s meta becomes more open to all the classes.
Next video! It'll probably be called "HOW to play Engineer in 6s", it'll likely be a while before it comes out, I'm shooting for around the summer given I'm pretty busy.
Do you have the full B4nny demo review? I think that'd be pretty interesting to watch
If you subscribe to the b4nny Patreon he had all previous demo reviews up for viewing.
i have a feeling this only proves that tf2 having a meta is pretty redundant. you can literally play any class and it'll work so long as you play the class in a way that benefits the outcome
Yeah pretty much! Working around the current meta is necessary given it's what you're going to be dealing with most of the time, but there's nothing stopping a team from playing completely differently and carving our a niche other than scrims being harder to get.
They laughed at you bringing a child to battle, but they realized something too late...
They don't know how to fight a child
I remember getting harassed because i tried to play engineer on comp and the only round we won was the round i was allowed to play it.
Yeah I've heard that a bit. I was lucky to have great teammates/friends, and nowadays I would say that the scene is more progressive than it has been (but it still needs some big pushes, RGL has been moving in the right direction thankfully). I'm hoping when RGL PUGs come out players will slowly become welcoming to new players that main Engie, Pyro, Heavy etc.
16:09
Best part of the video, taking responsibility is cool as heck
i like how many comp tf2 videos use melee music
I thought you meant six seconds and this video was going to be engineer brain rot clips
This made me laugh pretty hard. I'm glad you commented lol
Incredible dude! as Tf2s lifespan goes on, Engineer seems to be getting more and more ingenious uses for his play style, brilliant to see this!
I know you said in the video that spy is frowned upon in the competitive scene but do you know anyone who actually mains it in comp games?
I don't know of any Spy mains outside of Highlander yet (spy is always played in Highlander) . But since this video I've received a few messages from Spy players interested in making it work in 6s. Quite a few comments from Pyros, but nothing yet from Heavy or Sniper players interestingly enough.
@@QueeQuey would kunai work to make him more viable because of the overheal that way you don't get killed easily when you're spotted
I think the main take away here is to nerf Sniper.
If only Highlander was taken similarly important as 6s
I thought it's
I played engi for 6 seconds
Honestly, this is the kind of shit i live for, coming up with off meta strats to force other teams to adapt. It really tests the flexibility of teams and players in sixes and its fun as hell to see
Also ppl meme on comp players for hating on meta shifts but then we got ppl like habib and sandblast encouraging it
Godspeed
nerf sticky launcher. As it should be nerfed
Why does this guy sound so much like nilered?
I'm horrified at the thought of playing 6s again and having to deal with Engis now too lmao
Great video, I love seeing people giving permanent off-classing a shot. Not surprised you play in RGL, ETF2L is way more conservative and I think quite a few teams here would have refused to even play against your team. I once tried running gunslinger engie on Product and the enemy team ended the scrim.
Anyone else read the title as “I played engineer in 6 seconds”?
I feel like engineer is like gen 1 porygon in rby ubers/ou sometimes.
This is the first reference anyone's made to competitive Pokemon but I'm here for it lol.
@@QueeQuey hell yeah bruddah
alternate title: I sandbagged AM 6s on engineer
"LAN" "Scrims" "Mid" "Rollout"
Words for the insane, when I play TF2 I just shoot big explosion at enemy
A couple notes from moments in this.
"Enemy team ragequits when losing" - I personally think if this happens during a match, not a scrim, the enemy team should be struck with a penalty for the behavior. Going totally stale is what kills comp in games, and that's basically them saying "well we didn't lose to the meta, so we didn't lose" by leaving.
"Enemy team denies a time slot then scrims during it" - Another thing I truly think should be struck with some kind of penalty, this kind of thing, as it seems like a team HOPING they can cause issues, and force a lose, which they did... But since you still won 2 matches during that I'd say they still didn't do 100% well against this.
"We did have multiple teams in play-offs reach out to scrim us" - Now THIS is a good thing to hear, the fact that they wanted to have an unusual team to play against, because it meant more fun matches then the stock standard meta team comps.
"Crushing the other team on both of the maps in play-offs, them refusing to adapt" - Can see why they'd be considered toxic, they likely considered your team not even worth the effort, but HAD to fight you now, and would likely have quit if it was just scrims. Crushing them proves their failures and is absolutely fantastic.
Overall it seems like good players wanna play with different classes. Bad players, or rather players who are more toxic want the meta to remain because they can't adapt as well. I've seen multiple videos on this kind of idea and it always has multiple issues with players not wanting to scrim teams with different designs.
almost thought you were uncle dane
till i looked at the channel and realized
Haha no, but Dane did help me finalize the script! I was having issues getting it done before I decided to split this into 2 videos (this is the story, 2nd is a how to play engie in 6s). You can check the description of everyone who helped me!