More Than Most, Less Than Some | 2021 Lexus RC F
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 เม.ย. 2021
- If you look at the RC F as a direct competitor to an M4 or an AMG C 63, you may be disappointed. If however you look at the RC F as an upgrade from an M440i or C 43, you'll be pleasantly surprised. As always, perspective is important and it's made easier by the (comparatively) low price tag on the RC-F and lower expected long term ownership costs. If you're looking at a high trim German coupe, you should be looking at the RC F as well...
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In 5-10 years from now, we will really appreciate this car for that V8.
If they're not overpriced maybe
The most overpriced car with a v8. That’s one of the reasons why people don’t buy
@@yungactivist GS F was same cost and people lament all over it why it was discontinued. Well the reason GS was removed because Americans bought ES, the cheap lame FWD luxury boat vs performance sedan GS. RC F is expensive because of the chassis engineering and the technology. I agree it's too costly, but I think Lexus does not even make money on the RC F. LC 500 are more sold than the RC F, and thus Lexus NA bean counters removed a lot from RC F like now it's not having TVD, no Engine bracing, no Lexus Memory. Yaguchi san will not be happy, but he retired a few years back. No wonder they are going to kill the F in 2026. Once GT3 LFR comes with TTV8, NA 2UR GSE will be gone. Then people will lament again why RC F was killed.
Long live the 2UR-GSE!
Yota gang!!
What’s up Kirk😆
I want to know if possible to add turbo or super charger for that V8, how much different compare to the M4?
F gang reporting in
Can't wait to see the IS 500 with this motor.
BMW’s are empty money pits, after 5 years and 50k miles you better have deep pockets, it’ll bankrupt you very fast.
Can’t compare to a Lexus in terms of reliability and build quality. This LC F is amazing
Most people lease bmws
But yes bmws or any European car are money pits
Reliability is the only thing Lexus does better than the Germans.
@@naveenthemachine exactly. Lease German BUY Japanese. Always my motto. I got burned once with a 2013 X5. Never again. 8 long months and I sunk nearly 2,500 into it for repairs.
2 years ago this month I Traded that piece of shit in for my 2013 ES350 at the time only had 30k miles
I have a bmw too right now owning just bought it a F30 really good car no issues
What do BMWs and Strippers have in common:
1. Slim and curvy bodies
2. They leak oil every 29 days (well the strippers you know..)
3. The more money you drop the more reliable they get.
4. After a few years if you don't spend the money, they stop performing.
Your videos are always top notch. But I noticed some repetitiveness in the beginning. Not sure if that's an editing issue or not.
it looks like he did a few takes and forgot
@@roywhiteo5 HA HA, cookies on dowels.
You're right, looks like they didn't cut them out.
I don't know if anyone has had this experience, but I got 32 mpg on the freeway at 75-80mph in my 2015 RCF. I drove all the way to AZ from San Francisco and I was shocked at how great the fuel economy was.
Truth…7 months of ownership. Still lifetime average of 20+ in my IS500. Dropped a bit to 19.6 after a month of harder around town driving but highways & normal day to day? Effortless. Best way to describe this powertrain.
Having owned 3 BMW's, I purchased a CPO RC-350 F sport for 30K. I love it. For those comparing BMW, Merc's, or Audi's, I say lease those, but buy this. My BMW's cost a fortune to maintain while my RC has only had basic maintenance with no issues whatsover. Plus, I love that you do not see many of these on the road.
The only downside is brakes and tyres. I am on my third set of tyres and front brakes and it has only done 65k
Good review. As an 2016 RCF carbon/TVD owner, agree with everything except a couple of things. The rev limiter almot hits just under 7500 rpm so it is a high-revving screamer. The carbon roof adds rigidity and is 16 lbs lighter than the steel roof or about 50 lbs lighter than the moonroof so it lowers the center of gravity a lot lower. Also. the IS500 is not an ISF not because RCF is the equivalent of the IS500, but simply because there are lots of things in the RCF for performance that have not been included in the IS500 F-Sport. It only shares the engine/transmission, but none of the other F-specific hardware. Lots of track related hardware, that is. Cooling systems, brakes, tires, wheels, chassis bracings, seats etc. are not in the IS500 F-Sport. IS500 gets rear split folding seats while RCF has a big brace running all across the rear behind the seats. IS500 F-Sport will be positioned lower than the RCF in the product catalog. If one wants a balance between practicality and regular track days then RCF is the better choice, but 90% of the people want the engine so the IS500 would do just as well on the streets, if not better. Anyway. great review to watch.
Absolutely love the 2UR and Lexus's decision to keep it and to put bit into the IS500
Honestly, this is the real New Supra.
Agreed. What the Supra should be. I know that the Supra is synonymous with an inline 6 engine
But maybe perhaps it’s time for something different
Finally someone gets the RC-F
Sometimes it takes time to figure out the SoyBoys.
Slow, overpriced turd "but it's a lexus" said the Toyota fanboy
The exterior on this car is the best in class imo but man that interior is not what I was expecting. Center console straight up hasn't changed since 2016.
Why is that a bad thing...? It's functional and elegant. When it first came out everyone was praising it
Interiors have been a Lexus problem for years. Frankly, I'm not all that fond of the exterior, either. It's not terrible, but nor is it memorable, like the truly beautiful LC is.
@@yay842 The panels and buttons and feel of the center console looks so dated and bland to me
@Jean Toronto Raptors Opinion's subjective but I think a 2013 335i's interior looks better than this
I have the 2019 RCF and cross shopped with the M4. Ended up with the RCF mainly to style, comfort, and reliability. Its really hard to go wrong with all the electronics (and its gremlins) that the German competitors have...
Bit of an editing issue towards the beginning... But otherwise, great content as always!!
Noticed that too, though I was going crazy... 😵
I hope this car gets the same redesign the IS series got. I always liked what these cars gave in terms of performance vs long term reliability vs the German cars, but really hated the styling until the recent IS, which in my eyes is just gorgeous! Hope the same team that worked on that refresh is also working one for the RC series.
Awesome video as always and I am glad that you compared it with the m440i because it surely gives it a different perspective.
Loving that color. Thanks for the always high level review Alex.
Naturally Aspirated all the way! I have a ‘16 IS350 FSport and plan to trade it in for a IS500 this Fall. Not normally a brand new car kinda guy, but I want that V8 (with the options I want) before it’s no more. Great review! 👏🏽👍🏽😎
I too love naturally aspirated engines. I’m more of a NA v6 fan than the NA v8 fan. Although the v8 no doubt sounds way better
I can't wait for the IS500 either. That V8 sounds amazing!!! That may be the last of the era with everything going V6TT or hybrid combos
@@timw2083 it’ll be the last time that Lexus will still be reliable long term. Because with them going turbo v6 and a hybrid turbo v6 it’s over for their reliability.
Very nice review. When you think about it. What’s the difference when you go 0 -60 in 3.6 or 4.0 ? Everywhere I drive there a red light in front of me. Love Lexus products
Alex, I would take one of these over a BMW/Magna Steyr Supra or any other Germanic option.
The rc f is what the Supra should have been
@@naveenthemachine Agreed, it is just a manual transmission away from perfection.
@@rightlanehog3151 It still just way too heavy
@@kamikaziblack heavy? A challenger v8 is very heavy lol
@@naveenthemachine you do know that the rcf is a 4,000 lbs+ porker
Your reviews are second to none 🙌🏼
Great review, I have the 2015 RCF w perf package and TVD - love it. Looks like you're driving down 84 WB to hiway 1, and I drive that road often.
I am looking to get a 2015-16 in a few months as my current lease runs out. For 35k or so I can get more than enough street performance and 1000% of the reliability of any German product. Also atmospheric V8.
For about the same price, the 8500 red line limit sound of the GT350R V8(flat plane crank) is so much more exotic than this RC-F, imo. In 20 yrs or so, the GT350R(manual) will hold it’s value more than the RC-F, regardless of reliability, because the GT350R is the only flat plane crank, manual pony muscle car, that revs to 8500.
I would stay away from the under 40k used ..beaten up and no options
@@vivalasvegas702 where are 350s under 40k?
I have a 2018 RC 350 F Sport. It’s a good reliable car with no grenades under the hood. My biggest complaint is it doesn’t handle all that well, lots of body roll. Best thing about it is how well made the interior is.
I have a 2016 and it's still going great. I don't get much body roll though unless they softened the suspension for 2018 over 2016? I also use Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres which has made it much better as far as handling.
@@DEVILTAZ35 Im pretty sure they did soften it up considerably. Sucks because I custom ordered mine based on driving a 2017 RC, and the suspension tuning was completely night and day different. Still drives well its just much more floaty.
Definitely picking up one of these in 2 or 3 years used as a summer car
I think Lexus cleaned up the looks nicely with the mid cycle refresh. Definitely more attractive to my eye than the BMW 4, though the Q60 is still the supermodel of this segment imo. Honestly, if I was looking for a model in this segment to be just a road car and not a track weapon, I’d have this over an M4 or a C63 for sure. All the capability and performance I’d need and enjoy and I prefer the NA power delivery. Likely reliability and a more livable demeanor certainly don’t hurt either.
I agree that the cleanup helped, by getting rid of some ugly details, but it still doesn't make much impression. Then again, it isn't half as ugly as the new M4, either.
In reference to the IS500 F Sport you mention in video, it is actually a new trim level known as the F Sport Performance which is sounding like what the original F models were as it appears the F models will be even higher performance in the future.
F Sport =More aggressive look
F Sport Performance=Engine upgrade
F=High performance division
Alex, you are the poet of cars
The spindle grill has always been handsome.
The bmw lung grills are so ugly.
Love the looks of the RCF and the RC350. Just wish the RC350's performance lived up to its looks.
I love it , it has the looks without easily losing your licence :) . I would suggest Lexus put the Pilot Sport 4S tyres on them from the factory though as it transforms the car compared to stock tyres. It is also quite a bit quieter than the New IS as far as noise intrusion from the side. I had a new IS for the day while my car was being serviced and the first thing i noticed is the amount of road and wind noise from the side compared to the RC which is pretty much non existant.
Just test drove it yesterday
Pros: seats are so soft and plush, honestly I think those seats themselves are more comfortable then Mercedes s class. (all the european cars have hard seats and hard leather panels seems like)
Gas consumption is not bad, 15liters/100 with average speed of 27km/h.
Cons:
Not very fast(faster than my 350 tho), doesn't feel fast immediately when you floor it, maybe even a audi s5 feels faster than this.
Touch pad is hard to use as you have to look at your fingers and screen at the same time in order to click onto exactly where you want to click, the mouse on gs is much easier to use
I hope Lexus always keeps the RC F.
I’m looking forward to Alex comparing v8 IS Fsport to Bmw M340ix. Rear biased AWD might be too much to overcome for the IS Fsport.
Reliability however - not even close
That sound is glorious! I can almost forgive it’s infotainment.
Agreed. That v8 is amazing. It’s even better w their 10 speed crackling sounds
oh firstly i LOVE the spindle grill.
and second. i'll take LEXUS any time any day. simply for it's gorgeous look and RELIABILITY. thank you . great episode.
My IS 300 2.0 has the same steering wheel and dash layout. A solid, quiet, reasonably quick car by the way!
i love my RCF, the V8 exhaust sounds amazing with an aftermarket setup
I love Lexus for offering an n/a v8. It has its eco hybrid suvs for the masses and a hardcore v8 for the enthusiasts. I really don’t care that it’s a .2 or 3 secs slower than an M4/ RS5. It has a fantastic sounding V8 and its reliable too
Another Great Review... Turbos are wonderful but the naturally aspirated engine is very special now; I hope Lexus keep making these types of engines.
you keep posting every car that catches my eye for the past year now lmfao
Great video, Alex! How does the torque vectoring differential feel different from something like Acura's SH-AWD, which can predictively put 70% torque to either rear wheel? TVDs seem much more uncommon than AWD systems like Acuras, so I wanted to know if there's a significant difference.
SH-AWD is a torque-vectoring all-wheel drive system.
I love the RC in general. That one looks great. Great review as always.
The yellow is so middle-aged white guy with a bald spot and a Visor. Other than that....this car would not turn any heads. I owned a white Ford Mustang GT with black rims. I never had so many people give me the thumbs up...they used to come up to me in gas stations.
You can add Apple car play/Android auto with an after market kit on the older ones too. It even uses the factory track pad to control the mouse pointer. It works really well as long as it's installed properly as far as wiring goes.
Why don't you put a polarizer on your lens? there's a lot of distracting reflections
man your a good spokesman!!! Great content.
are the mercedes amg c43 & c63 different lengths that significantly ??
Outward visibility is restricted in all directions. View out the front is poor due to the upward bulge of the hood after fitting in that V8.
I don’t know why Lexus hasn’t added a electronic valve in the exhaust like every other brand in their performance model ! The RCF is seriously muted by the muffler . It really sounds nasty with an after market exhaust and many have the option to get electronic valves but if it was factory it would but 100 times better. To me other than a touch screen some color change ambient lighting a electronic valve exhaust would be almost a perfect vehicle for me .
Alex you have some repetitiveness going on in the beginning introduction before the size of the car.
As you said, the RC-F is probably the best iteration of the RC since the 300 & 350 are honestly too heavy for the I4 turbo & V6. The chassis tuning is spot on & the engine just is a gem. While I would never consider owning a M3 or C63 outside of warranty, the RC-F is a far safer bet. Sure it isn't as fast as the Germans, but you get 8/10 of the speed and a lot more in terms of peace of mind.
I think we had a glitch in the matrix in the first two minutes of this video.
Yet another superb review. In regard to the front grill comparison, I find the Lexus's appearance merely profane, the BMW 4 series is truly offensive.
Great car. I know a lot of people that love theirs
Beautiful vehicle. Very striking.
Interior beautiful. Beautiful engine sound. Cool exterior. Lexus comfortable and Lexus. Will roast the tires easily.
I love the RCF but i couldn't afford it. Instead i got the RC350 and added an Nvidia Quad pipe Exhaust. I get a lot of compliments as long as i don't floor it in a quiet neighbourhood :)
Full LED tail light modules? Rear turn signal indicators don't look like LED.
The Lexus RCF
When buying a performance car is more than who has the fastest 0-60 times
gorgeous vehicle
Is that an artifact of the digital camera, or do some oncoming cars flash their high beams? I wanted to see if a speed trap was there, but video had editing breaks.
It's an artifact of trying to film leds because typically leds aren't actually "on" all the time, but are basically switched on and off at around 60hz.
I love Alex's reviews. But I do have to say, when Alex reviews a Mercedes or BMW, he never compares them against the Lexus. But when he reviews a Lexus, he always compares them against the BMW or Mercedes.
Why?
Really hoping the IS500 is a good one, one of the last V8 NA DOHC sedans.
RC500 is on the cards as long as the RC is not discontinued next year apparently. Sales are low so it might not make it sadly.
I would wait for new IS-F (hopefully) or even the IS-500
I’m gonna take a shot of vodka every time you say “Bucktooth”.......😂
Someone dropped the ball in the editing room. Literally the same thing being said for the first 2 minutes.
It's nice, it's cool and all that they kept the V8 and V6 N/A but this also mean that it will be trashed against its competitors with turbocharged engines.
Great car this is the Lexus I would’ve got
Gorgeous Lexus RCF. Period!
I love the way Lexus ref looks but there are three things that I will love Lexus to do A lot more torque, I’ll functioning ram air hood and a six speed manual with the option of overdrive I think if Lexus made These changes they will change the game for their lineup specially the RCS
I am sorry, that new bmw grill is nasty to me , I prefer the old m4 m3 grills, idk why lexus rcf is so unsold , it's a reliable for luxurious sport car.
Simple. IS/RC are no longer competitive to C class and 3 series anymore to most people. 10 years ago they were.
Because people who have the money to buy them new don't care about reliability.
Mostly because Lexus is associated with plush luxury, not performance. They've been trying to change that for years, but performance car buyers are very brand-conscious.
Alex, pls tell Lexus to make a convertible version. Hard top preferred.
Great analysis. IMO this highlights one simple fact that I made before, the M440i is simply overpriced. If I wanted more sport then the LCF is a far better package. If I wanted GT, then the MB E-Class is a much better car for similar money. The BMW is a good car, but it's not great at anything and isn't worth the asking price.
Would it be completely out of left field to compare this to the Supra? Naturally aspirated engines are preferable, but top end performance versions should have a forced induction option.
It more than likely would. Mk5 has a weight advantage plus the engine + trans combo it has has a big advantage for how well they work together especially the 2021 mk5.
Supra is a true hardcore lightweight sports car, RC F is a luxury grand tourer, not really a fair comparison
The most unique car. I would take this over all other competition
I own this car now ❤
I really thought for 2021 they would add the 10 speed from the LC coupe though.
Too expensive for a dying platform
Alfa and Genesis should make a coupe now those would be the best looking in the class.
Alfas would be terribly unreliable but beautiful . The genesis though. Im down!
One of them would be reliable at least.
i like the purple m240i bmw coupe that just came out
This looks way better then the 4series
Alex, sweet sounding 5.0L naturally aspirated V8... Ford Mustang Bullitt anyone?
not in nearly the same class as this lol
Right.....another car I have to take a second Mortgage on my single wide trailer
To have it fixed. At least I don’t have to worry about the hubcaps falling off.
The RCF is an intriguing option, but it falls apart, once you start putting it together
You can''t get any color other than black or white unless you buy and expensive option package
Same goes for upgrading past the base wheels and tires
This will be $75k, properly equipped, which hurts its value buy play
I suspect most people do buy those packages, and with them the bottom line is still quite reasonable compared to the German competitors, which need ludicrous options at high prices to be comparably equipped.
There was a glitch in the matrix on front end review.
IS-F Sport Performance is their new sub-brand
best intro I've heard in a long time. It sounds like a computer boot chime!
I love the RC-F 😍, even if weighs too much
Get the gsf rcf weights the same as gsf( rcf is heavy in its segment while gsf is light in its segment)
@@wagrj5738 It's too bad the GS has been discontinued.
Can't believe that cruise stalk is still in use....bring back unfond memories of my 2000 Camry...Granted it work but ?????
lol... how about 1993 camry...love the stalk. Its like a hidden jostick, why fix when not broken. The stalk cruide is also a safety feature because you dont have to fiddle the multitude of buttons on the front steering wheel
My 14 tc has the same stalk lol, I wouldn’t mind it. Very intuitive, steering wheel controls to me now seem weird as it requires memory of placement. The stalk you just find and press then flick
LEXUS 👌🏻🙂 TOP LUXURY CAR’S
Long live naturally aspirated engines!!
Alex, its ISF Sport Performance (not F Sport)
Actually, it's Is500 F-Sport Performance. *pushes up glasses*
Always yay for naturally aspirated 👍🏻
I love the look of this car, but if Lexus decided to put their new infotainment in this car, I will purchase one. I am a tech guy and loves technology. You cannot beat the reliability of a Lexus.
Yass for the Mariah Carey on the Dashboard 😉
There’s no replacement for displacement
As compared to Lexus' new offerings, the front end is really starting to show its age. The headlamps should be updated.
these headlights are beautiful idk what you're seeing.
Why you don't use American brand's when comparisons all those German and Japanese brand name's are confusing
Check that editing...some repetitive clips one after the other in the beginning.
Do we really need to forgive a 4.0 sec 0-60 time? 😂 We are so spoiled nowadays!!
i prefer a 4sec 0-60 during the whole life of the car than a car that do 3 sec 0-60 during only 100k miles and become trash after warranty expires 😅
Your completely repeating at the beginning talking about looks, check your editing. (00:43)
The biggest disservice to Lexus design is everyone fixating on the spindle grille, since many of the lines and proportions contribute to a larger theme, whereas the kidney grilles don't connect to anything.
I adore my rc f got a 2015 in December it’s incredible I get chills just looking at it ik it’s not the fastest or best but it’s my car
I like more the Lexus grille than the one from bmw
Although I’d prefer the M4
@@yes8032 For more than 30k extra
@@robertoavalosjr.2529 yes
@@yes8032 i get this Lexus and a trd rav4 for that money
@@yes8032 and I’m not losing as much money like with a bmw
A shame that too many buyers in this class focus on 0-60(100km) times. In my opinion, that’s the least important metric. Every base Porsche is a better driving car that almost anything else. Same for this Lexus. That V8 and chassis is better than the German options.
I just like low end torque, I don't care about 0-60 as much. I like my engine to be relevant before 3000rpm
@@james2042 I previously owned a 2016 IS 300 AWD which has the naturally-aspirated 3.5-liter V6, and since then, I have owned a 2016 GTI and a 2020 GLI, both with turbo four-cylinders that have the most torque at low to mid RPM. I do sometimes miss the smoothness of the V6 and the fact that it felt great to go to redline, but overall, the drivetrains in the VWs are great for daily driving and never feel like they are flatfooted. Having said that, I also have test-driven an RC F, and once you get to that amount of displacement it doesn't matter as much anymore. It doesn't feel as strong at low RPM as, for example, a Camaro SS with its 6.2-liter, but at about 5000 RPM it wakes up nicely. I think the RC F was honestly an entertaining car that handled confidently. It's not just about the 0-60... For example, the seating position in the RC F (and even in my former IS) is just perfect, and the seat itself is supportive but still more comfortable than many cars I've been in. I frankly love what Lexus is doing with the car and hope to see a new generation of F cars in a few years.
@@ARentz07 I drive a grand cherokee with a 5.7 hemi and it gets a healthy amount of torque down low but it hits 3500rpm and you just fly. Turbos get that same kind of oomph from 2000rpm
True, it's not that important for ordinary driving. I'd prefer to see 0-60 and 0-30 times, as 0-100 excessively rewards forced-induction engines that emphasize hp over torque.
RC F vs the Challenger RT Scat Pack 392?
Id get RCF
@@yes8032I would too. Although the 6.4L 392 w ZF 8 speed combo is Also very tasty 🤤
@@naveenthemachine true
@@westibbs true but it’s pretty heavy and it won’t handle as well as the rc F. But that charger scat pack is tasty haha
Challenger
I got an IS 500, thinking the engine is everything and also some of the nimble factor. But no I was wrong. For many reasons and primary is 3IS bumper sag. It kills the car for me, the car has a severe debilitating issue of bumper coming off. The fix by Lexus TSB in North America is a glue ziptie and epoxy fix, I don't know why but that's cheapest garbage ever on a 70K car. Next is the big thing, IS 500 does not have any of the Chassis Engineering that went for RC F not even anything except the exhaust they stole from RC F and the 2UR engine. The chassis has a lot of bodyroll, esp in Sport S and S+ modes, the interior does not have Leather option in USA and Canada only exists in Japan. There are no F enhancements like cooling for brakes, engine oil, transmission fluid. The brakes in the rear are weak floating calipers. The tires are also less wider and they wear out faster due to more smoother suspension. Lexus chassis engineering is really flawed in the IS, they cut a lot of corners. The car's engine rails are not high tensile steel for eg, and there's no Chassis bracing in the engine bay for a big hulking performance focused 2UR GSE engine. GS F and GS in general is a far more robust chassis than 3IS.
RC F even though is from 2015 the chassis is just excellent, I drove a 2018 RC F used to check out, and the difference is night and day, RC F is way more planted than IS 500. LC 500 I never test drove, its more rigid than RC F but it's not a Track car and never can or will be as the car is very heavy, steering is more lux than motorsport and it's not an F car. RC F races in GT3 class at IMSA Weathertech won with Vasser Sullivan team, GT3 LM 2024 races also won by Akkodis ASP team. That alone speaks a lot about this Track born car.
I wish I did not miss out on the 2021 RC F or 2022 RC F Carbon Package, it has bonded CF roof which is superb, that cannot be done aftermarket. Maybe we can get a CF Hood, CF spoiler, Splitter, rocker panels but not the hood. Sad. Also Lexus downgraded RC F in 2023+ removed the ubiquitous bespoke TVD, engine bracing, Dash is now 3IS instead of RC F's own lamest downgrade), no memory setting for driver since 2022. Lexus as a brand is dying, their new GX is a joke, LX is also same, LS has been a failure since 10 years. Only LC sells due to that build and engine. Once ES and IS are changed and lose their NA engines, its not worth owning anything.