But It Could’ve Been Great… Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales *Commentary/Reactoon*
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Do you agree with my thoughts? What did YOU think needed to be changed? Let me know!
Personally; I would have just changed the Entire story, different villains, different way in which Will is involved... this movie just Really ruined the series for me personally; It is my least favorite because of how forced the fast paced storyline is and how much lore they redo
There could have been Such an awesome redemption for the series if it had better writers and people who actually understood what made the originals so amazing, it could have been awesome. This movie is just one I don't really consider canon
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Honestly ALOT. Jack has given away the compass like 6 times already in the series and nothing ever happend. Salazar is cool but he wasn't that great of a bad guy cause he had no real story. I truly tought as well that when salazar was hunting the pearl before the island that will and the flying Dutch men would come in to save/help them. Barbossa was a little bit wasted but liked how he died but could ofc been better. Carina and Henry has no real chemistry or development and like you said yourself a good love intrest needs to do at least one of these things well for it to work, remember how absolutely SMITTEN Will was by Elizabeth in the first movie when we first saw them? Goddamn now that's chemistry! 😂
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I dont know why but i like 4 and 5 more than 1 to 3, maybe because i just love the new cgi so much more then the older ones or because i like the funny parts more then a good story. so No i dont agree with your thought but i like your reactions non the less :D
To be fair, Johnny Depp was going through a rough time during filming, which explains why Jack feels off in this, but the script and how it fails to balance Jack is really what's to blame.
Fair? Johnny Depp still abused his wife.
Exactly
Jack feels off in this movie because it's been 20 years since he was rescued from Davy Jones Locker. He's like 60 years old in the movie.
And also, having to deal with Amber Heard
if i got a nickel everytime a bitch was at fault for the destruction of a franchise, i would have 2 nickels, one for amber heard and another for kateleen kenedy, which isnt much, but is a shame that it happened twice...
Jack to Will in the first movie "Not all treasure is silver and gold mate"
Carina to barbossa "who am i to you?"
Barbossa "Treasure"
The one redeeming part of the film❤
I *_WANTED_* to post a comment like this!!!
The good news is: *_BARBOSA LEARNED THE LESSON!!!_*
Actually the witch earlier in the film asked him if his treasure was worth dying for.
@averagenoah "I'm a pirate. Always has been always will"
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I deeply hate this movie. It's like the people who made it didn't even watch the originals. They get such basic things wrong, like how they forgot that Tia Dalma/Calypso gave Jack his compass. Jack is out of character for nearly the whole film. He only does one or two deliberately clever things in the entire movie and is a buffoon the rest of the time. The writers also don't understand that being the captain of the Dutchman isn't a curse, it's a responsibility. Davy Jones turned it into a curse for himself when he became overcome with bitterness and apathy and refused to do his duty. Will readily took on the responsibility of ferrying the souls of the dead, so it wouldn't have been a curse for him and he wouldn't have become disfigured. The movie also ruins the perfect bittersweet ending of the original trilogy by replacing it with this facile rectification of Will's fate. I also hate how Jack's entire outfit was given to him by the crew of his first ship. The original costume designers (with input from Johnny himself) crafted Jack's outfit to look like it had been amassed over a lifetime of pirate adventures. And I don't even know where to begin with that nonsensical post credit scene that implies that somehow Davy Jones returned. The only thing I like about this movie is Javier Bardem's performance. In a horrible, ugly, illogical and contrived movie he stands out as a memorable and captivating villain.
I agree wholeheartedly with all of this. There's a little potential here and there but nothing more. (To add one point: Poseidon's trident? Isn't Calypso the goddess of the sea?)
What? A young Jack gave the compass to the captain, there is nothing that doesn't add up there. Jack ends up getting it back.
Jack is very badly out of character, but also a complete mess in real life. Alcohol abuse, depression, and a severely bad relationship etc. You see him slowly get better throughout the film, probably as he is forced to stay in character and spend at least less time self destructing.
Just because the job is something that needs doing, doesn't mean that being trapped forever, unable to set foot on land more than once every 10 years, and if you ever stop turning into a monster isn't a curse. He chose to do it, but it was still a curse just one he took on.
I wholeheartedly agree with this, all the inconsistencies with the previous movies is what ruins this one for me
The movie was not made by the original team. Different writer, different director, different production designer, different composer... And it shows. It's a case where they think they know why the original movies were so popular but they don't.
def not the best one but the moment of "who am i to you?" not anger, not sadness, not disappointment just hope. and for a pirate to soften their gaze and describe someone a "treasure" is highly poetic. maybe the rest of the writting was lacking a lot of things. but that moment right there was precious and always makes me tear up.
barbosa found jack cause that other witch gave him the compass.
This is Johnny Depp's last appearance in the POTC franchise, as Disney told him to get lost after his nasty divorce feom his wife Amber Heard. A sixth film is in development as well as a reboot of the franchise.
A female led spinoff was announced in 2020 with Margot Robbie in the lead, but it was cancelled.
Where/when did you hear it was cancelled?
No one will really watch nor enjoy any reboots or a sixth film.
@@Aloysius_OHare I would because to me any more of Pirates of the Caribbean is good news to me.
Another weird thing about this movie is that the flashback where we see Jack's origin story his former captain inherits him the compass, when in the second movie we learned Jack bought it from Tia Dalma (Calypso). So... Which is it???
I have heard a fan theory that Jack bought the compass from Tia Dalama on the captain's behalf and then was given it as we saw in this movie. Not sure how I feel about that idea, but I haven't heard any better. (When Disney was still doing their "Disney Adventures" digest magazine and occasionally had short "Pirates of the Caribbean" comics in it, there was one expanding on the "Tia Dalama gave it to Jack" version. Extremely lucky in hindsight, the writer framed the story as Jack telling a tale to his friends years after the fact.)
Barbossa found jack with the Compass! There are some plot holes but this isn't one :)
By the way, Paul McCartney plays Jack Sparrow's Uncle in this movie.
"But it could've been great..." is a fair assessment of the movie, IMHO. I enjoyed it for what it was and agree that the ending for the series as a whole is good, but it's the weakest of the series. My understanding is that Disney is looking at a franchise reboot, so any further movies will probably be their own thing. Regarding a couple of the plot holes you discussed:
• (20:53) My understanding was that Barbossa used the compass to track Jack. We did see him getting it from the witch before, after all.
• (26:36) I think the idea was that Barbossa never thought about finding the Trident for himself until Salazar returned. So, when he'd found the journal 20-some years ago, he just thought it was a used notebook that he could leave his then-infant daughter for the ruby.
A couple of plot holes and discrepancies that bothered me with the movie:
• The "Flying Dutchman" is back in its cursed, fishy form and sailing our seas, when "At World's End" showed that that only happened when the captain abandoned his duty of ferry souls to the afterlife. I'm not sure what the writers had in mind, but it really makes it look like Will abandoned his duty, too within a couple years of the "At World's End" stinger for no explained reason.
• The whole deal of Jack "betraying" the compass by bartering it away was ill-explained, considering that we'd seen the compass change hands a lot before, albeit in some cases of Jack just loaning it. I wish the rules had been better explained.
• The backstory with the compass seen here contradicts Tia Dalma commenting that she sold the compass to Jack directly in "Dead Man's Chest."
• In one of those "can't unsee it" moments, Davy Jones's claw is depicted as being on his right arm, when, in the other movies, it was his left.
No, it SHOULD have been great. The ingredients were all there, to be amazing. Unlike On Stranger Tides, that I originally didn't like all that much when I saw it in the theater, but grew to appreciate it, even love it after rewatching it a few times, I did not enjoy this movie after rewatching it again after that first watch. Everyone just feels off in this, especially Jack, where in On Stranger Tides he was competent and capable despite the flash and occasional buffoonery, this guy is just a buffoon, which is a great premise to start with. Sparrow losing his mojo is a good idea with what happened in the beginning, and gets it back at the end, but he never gets it back this entire movie. Having said that, I will be watching this reaction, I want to see if you notice it too, Lmao
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The very first movie shown us exactly the type of person Jack Sparrow is, with his superpower of essentially being able to talk his way out of any conflict, with at least decent swordsman skills if he really needed it. Dead Man’s Chest Jack he was terrified of Davey Jones and was trying to escape his fate from the Kraken and then At Worlds End Jack had gone a little mad after spending what I’d assume felt like an eternity alone in the Locker. On Stranger Tides I felt took him back to the first film, only this time it actually shows the audience exactly how he thinks and assesses his surroundings and actually understood what his character was capable of!
Then this one seems like it was written by people who had maybe only seen the first movie once and only too away that “he’s the funny man and he’s always drunk. Just look at how he walks and how much he loves rum”
Yeah, not the best way to end a franchise. So many plotholes and they did not write Jack correctly at all. But at least Barbossa died how he lived... like a total badass! RIP.
Cool action and occasional great moments. The writing seemed half-hearted, compared to the rest of the movies. Mostly I was bothered by the re-writing of the story of the compass. We were already told that Jack got the compass from Tia Dalma. That just gave me the feeling that they were out of ideas and/or didn't care at all about the previous movies.
Turns out this movie had a different director, writers, crew... so yea, they didnt care that much
I actually really liked the CGI young Jack. Looked good to me. A bigger issue was the broke the lore of how Jack got the compass, in the second movie you find out Calypso gave Jack the compass...
I like to imagine Salazar shouting "Your name is Jack Sparrow now!" At the pirate ship right before his own ship gets cursed.
Please give the Star Trek franchise a chance.
I'm a Trekkie and would love to see reactions on the movies, or TV shows, or both, or whatever.
YEES she'd love them
The movie where Keira Knightly probably got paid loads for a 15-second cameo where she didn't have any lines and honestly good for her.
Aside from the retcon of the compass, which Jack originally got from Tia, there’s a giant retcon that largely goes missed because the story of how Jack became a pirate is subtly placed in the story and has some unanswered questions. A story that is undone by showing Jack as a young pirate. While it’s hinted at in the film, the novelisation confirms what I’m about to say and it’s a far better story than the retcon. Jack joined the Navy and his first job was on a ship called the Wicked Wench which was transporting slaves. Jack disagreed with it and ended up freeing the slaves as the Navy turned against him which resulted in the ship being sunk. Jack then made the deal with Davy Jones to bring the ship back as The Black Pearl. Some people theorise that Jones made the debt 100 souls because it was 100 slaves Jack freed. Others think the slaves died and Jack’s trade with Jones was the Black Pearl as in those who went down with the ship and who Jack put his own life on the line to save them. Either way it’s actually a brilliant backstory that they kinda ruined.
I think another plot hole is the fact that Barbosa gave away the book and ruby when he was cursed for years. Even though collecting all of the Aztec gold broke the curse he could have very well used the trident as an alternative. Especially if it is implied that he spent a lot of time researching it
I don't think so. Carina and Henry are ostensibly about the same age, suggesting that she was born shortly after "At World's End," meaning that Barbossa didn't get the journal when he was cursed. For that matter, since the curse came from Aztec gods, would it could as a sea curse that the Trident could break in the first place?
I've always liked Kaya Scodelario since her days on "Skins", so always glad to see her get opportunities to be in high profile projects like this, I hope she gets more in the future
Also, Hans Zimmer was too busy working on Dunkirk to score this movie.
Another legend of the music acting here, Paul mccartney is that pirate in jail telling skeleton bar jocke
barbosa had the compass... that's how he found jack..
A funny little thing, the guy who plays Salazar is Poseidon in live action the little mermaid. Which is a bit ironic because he kind of dies in the hunt for the trident in pirates but becomes king of the sea in the little mermaid who owns the trident. I don't know if it's funny but to me it's a little ironic.
The guy's wife is Penelope Cruz, who, of course, played Jack's ex in "On Stranger Tides," which is it's own bit of irony (the pirate hater played by a guy married to a woman who also played a pirate).
put in POTC Salazar want the Trident for rip all the pirates of the ocean and become unstoppable
if Salazar have the trident
NO ONE WILL ABLE TO STOP HIM
The main issue, is the severe undermining of the first three movies, as well as retconning a bunch of stuff. Plus it was a rather lazy sequel all things considered.
The compass thing is a bit of an inconsistency too. In one of the the previous movies Tia Dalma said Jack got the compass from her, but here he got it from his captain. I agree Karina being Barbosa's daughter should have been introduced earlier in the movie and built up more.
Still like this movie more than the 4th one though, just because we're actually spending time on ships this time. And the Will and Elizabeth cameos. xD
Also 16:38 I was thinking the same thing. lmao
31:21-31:28 I get sad 😞 when, Barbossa is dead. 33:11-33:20 anyway, I am just happy 😃 to see Elizabeth reunite with Will Turner.
You missed that Barbossa used the compass to find Sparrow?
21:10 reminder: barbosa had the compass which points you to the thing you want most.
as you said yourself, this movie had potential, but a lot of flaws, but what i love about it, which makes me forgive it, is that it give a good cloasure to al my favorite characters, jack has the pearl, will and elizabeth live haply ever after, barbosa had a daugther, and barbosa daugther and will son get together, this makes me happy.
This movie was filmed in Australia, with the majority of Salazar's crew being Aussies.
Geoffrey Rush's performance here is the MVP, he carries this movie on his back to be at least watchable; even Johnny Depp isn't as good as he was in the previous entries. Shame about that script.
In case you were curious, Jack Sparrow’s Uncle Jack was played by Sir Paul McCartney; and the song that he sings, “Maggie May”, was a song he recorded with The Beatles on the Let It Be album.
this movie had alot of writing issues, including not paying attention to details, the compass was sold to Jack by Tia Dalma, that was established in the second movie by Dalma herself, so it couldn't be Jack making stuff up and this being actually the true story. they could have connected the bad guy and the compass in another way, and saved a pretty penny on the de-aging scenes aswell.
Johnny Depp said he'll return to the role if Disney made a public apology to him and admit they messed up. Unfortunately companies aren't fans of admitting fault
for some reason I liked this one more than the 4th movie.
I’m a big fan of this Franchise, although this movie also made me a fan of Kaya Scodelario she was absolutely Stunning
It feels like Jack is actually just lucky in this movie. In the others, it's a combination of luck and thinking ten steps ahead. Jack is wayyy smarter than he is shown to be in DMTNT. It's as if he's constantly drinking while dealing with a traumatic brain injury
I like the idea behind the opening sequence where they rob the entire bank, and it's fun, but Jack doesn't have much agency in it and he's just trying to keep up with the bank. As a matter of fact, that pretty much sums up how he is for the whole thing, he's there for the ride and to crack jokes. They should have just left Jack and his crew be at the end of OST, and let this story be about Barbossa
Yes bad writing... but my theory is that Jack knew once he gave up the compass he knew Salizar would be released and him and Barbosa made some sort of plan to be able to reunite him with his daughter because Barbosa wanted to die but wanted to see his daughter. Yes far fetched but better than the writing lol also they couldve made Salizar so much more scarier than anyone like even the flying dutchman steered clear because his ship can be broken but it can be brought back together again.
Still like this more than on stranger tides
I think I fell asleep 3 times watching this, and have almost no memory of what was actually going on. I only remember a couple of moments.
My favorite part is the end 😍 The first time I watched it I fell asleep at the cinema during the middle part 😅
I think Bardem's performance surpasses any other in all the films in the series. But most people think that the best thing about "The Deer Hunter" is a Russian roulette scene and the best thing about "Ben Hur" is a chariot race. I can't fight against those people. I don't even want to.
8:30 the whole town speaks of you that's how Carina knew about and found Henry
Maze Runner chick is mainly famous from the hugely popular show Skins.
Was surprised to not see an editor's note for the Beatles cameo.
If you rewatch the part Jack gives up the compass, there's a shot that shows the compass and a rat. During the witch scene, there are rats around.
I had an issue with the premise: Will was not cursed. He "signed" an employment contract, and if that ended, he should go back to being dead.
I think what prevents him from going on land is considered to be enough of a curse for the breaking of the trident to do that. But yes it is ultimately a job and so when Will didn't take up the helm, Davy Jones had to come out of retirement so to speak.
And remember Salazar and his crew were blown up, many missing pieces because of it yet come out like they were when alive
Love the lotr quotes Ang drops now that she's seen them 😂
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Although this film can't compete with the original trilogy, it is still a fun pirate move with great mythology. I also really like the design of the cursed pirates.
This was a nice wrap up. Not perfect, but it resolved a few issues.
The video game Sea of Thieves actually ran with the post-credits scene and continued the story in what I personally consider to be the equivalent of a 6th movie. To be honest, I enjoyed this 5th one more than most did. I still don't like the forced "romance", but I thought it was better here than in the 4th movie. Poor Johnny Depp did his best but he was not at his A-game at this time thanks to the situation he was in. Barbossa was the hero here for sure, and I really liked Salazar as a villain "pirate hunter" turned ghost. I have my issues, but I have plenty with the older movies as well.
David Wenham (who plays faramir in LOTR) is the navy captain in this movie
"Died to a skeleton" Can confirm. Saw the death message in chat. >.
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even though i do agree its not the best iteration of the franchise. to this day the best line ive ever heard was the horizontally recline joke.
Barbosa MVP of the movie
I really hated this movie. For one, they made Jack worse than Jar Jar Binks (and that’s a character I don’t actually mind). Secondly, the directing sucks (Gore Verbinski actually declined to return for this movie because he said that there was no reason other than financial). Thirdly, the writing sucks (Jeff Nathanson would go on to ruin the Lion King remake). And fourthly, Johnny Depp was at his personal lowest here as he was struggling with alcoholism and drugs and the Amber Heard stuff.
So yeah, this movie was a giant mess.
I just realized Paul being Jack's uncle lol
Barbosa found Jack because he had the compass...
Barbossa found Jack cause he had the compass from the witch.
I love her reactions
the Ruby was embedded into the journal.
You are completely wrong on this one point. You said that Barbosa didn't care about his daughter which was why he gave her away.
Barbosa did in fact care about his daughter. That's why he left her with another family along with the journal and the ruby in the hopes that it would help pay for a better life for her. Barbosa is a pirate so in his and anyone else's eyes who's not a pirate would view him as a bad person. He didn't want his daughter to grow up around a bad person like him that's why he had to give her away. He didn't want the same wretched life for her.
I agree with angie that henry and carina has like no chemistry and no good development. Remember when we first saw adult william and Elizabeth? You can see immediately that she liked him and will was just absolutely smitten by her! How he was nervous, hard time speaking, afraid to even call her by her first name cause if his position, but fuck me you could just FEEL the chemistry between them!
3:58 the Titanic sank April 1912 so no this is looooong before that XD
you have to understand that this was around the time Disney was diving into the wokeness waters and this was the time the whole start of the Amer Heard and Johnny Depp crap (No pun intended) was happening during the filming of this movie.
i didnt realise it either when first watching but the main problem is that will should've dropped dead the moment the curse lifted, he literally doesnt have a heart in his chest
Salazar and his crew were blown up with most missing pieces of themselves, thats not a problem
@@Vivianthuy-mn9jd yh it applies to them too the curse was the only thing keeping them alive
Random Faramir always welcome
i like how ghost dud say jack sparrow and death of we know who
Depp obviously wasn’t at his best (or at least that’s what I HEARD), and I think he was actually drunk during a lot of filming which really didn’t help…. It’s hard to ignore the issues with this movie, especially the plot holes. It does have good moments.
This was the only pirates I caught at the cinemas. I didn't hate it, but I did feel it wasn't quite on par with the rest. IDK I didn't mind it, but it's certainly a step down.
the compas show you what you desire the most ,BUT if you betray it , the compas free your greatest fear
and the pirates's greatest fear is captain Salazar , because he is an pirates hunter
he is the greatest pirates hunter ever
like the preys who afraid of the hunters
all the pirates afraid of captaine Salazar
It's a fun movie... but not a great movie lol. The moment I realized was in the bank vault scene. Great action and cinematography, but there's no way that vault would've busted through that stone wall/gate area. The chains would've snapped first, or wherever they were attached on the vault or horse cart, or it would've yanked the horses to a stop. But not break through the wall. That was the "jumping the shark" moment of the movie, right at the beginning.
19:22 i thought Tia Dalma aka Calypso gave Jack the compass as mentioned in the first or second movie
it was possibly a tease then disney fired johnny for that amber turd thing , also there was suppose to be other stories or else the map jack stole would be kinda useless puzzle
You can tell that they wanted to make a good movie, but they were very inexperienced, and Disney was at the beginning of choosing diversity instead of good writers, and Johnny Depp was emotionally unstable, but they could have used that to say Jack was at the end of his rope, ready to die and pushing everyone away until he had this experience revitalizing his desire to be a pirate.
But very bad writers
21:15 the compass leads Barbossa to Jack
but???? wholdt William Die because the curse is as sure to do the job for 10 years but he put his heart in the chest doesnt that aswell get broken or does will still be invinible untill someone stab his heart????? :S
Let's see, can I say at least one good thing about this movie? Hmm ... the guy who plays Henry really does look like he could be the mix of Will & Elizabeth's genes.
Tia Dalma "The compass the bartered from me, it can not lead you to dis?"...😒
Because you were talking..... you missed that barbosa had the compass which allowed him to find jack
21:00 there is lazy writing for sure, but pretty sure Barbosa used the compass that leads you to the thing you want the most.
Can you react to the Bronx tale it’s a really good old classic with life lessons in it
To be fair I don’t think a movie not explaining every minute detail is an example of sloppy writing. Plus the original movies did stuff like this a lot.
The original Jeff Nathanson script was a bit better (Jack didn't trade his compass!) and the early Terry Rossio script, while being far from perfect, made way more sense (the power of the Trident for example).
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barbosa found jack cuz he had compass
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I do like this movie, but it's definitely not great. I feel like the central story could have been portrayed in a much more compelling way. I do love the story on its own, and the comedic moments are great, as well as a few dramatic moments, but I think this movie could have had a bit more going on with the performances. I like the new characters for what they are, but they're a bit underwritten, and the movie does rely a bit too much on Johnny Depp, which kind of sucks since in hindsight, a lot was happening with him behind the scenes, so his performance definitely felt more off than usual. (tbf, Jack Sparrow is meant to be kind of "off," but it's a bit more noticeable here). Dead Men Tell No Tales is definitely the weakest Pirates movie, and it could have been great, but as it stands, the movie's just alright. I do think it's far from terrible though. Part of me kind of wishes for a fifth movie just because this one ended off on a pretty interesting note with Will being freed and Jones being back, and I wouldn't mind seeing where that could potentially go, but obviously, I'd hope for that sequel to be better.
A lil suggestion is the Beverly Hills cop trilogy and the Conjuring trilogy which are both great
Having Davy jones actually talk and bring back the kraken
damn i never noticed the missing storytelling i just love the new pirates of the carabean films, so i dont mind :D
i ahted the 4th one so it made this one better. also depp half assed this movie. he had an earwig the whole movie and just had someone feed him his lines.
there is a few scenes was good, agreed it would have been crafted a bit for the movie splicing to make more sense for the scenes, if they could have given the Pirates of the Caribbean Dead men tell no tales more time of the movie magic. It's such fun films and Johnny Depp seems he's irreplaceable for Jack Sparrow we all know and love.
You should definitely check out society of the snow. It's a great movie and I would love to hear what you have to say about that one. If you do watch it I recommend the original language with subtitles, the acting was amazing.
It was enjoyable enough.
Paul McCartney was in this one. I'm a happy boy.
Movies, have a lot of competition now a days......cell phones, food delivery, video games, trips to the kitchen, trips to other rooms......all while the it's paused. The new direction of Hollywood is tons of CSI with loads of dialog in order to repeat everything in the movie thrice because it was missed earlier.....This is your generation Ange, thank God you're above it all, mainly because of your years of paying attention in class....Just sayin'...-J