Personally; I would have just changed the Entire story, different villains, different way in which Will is involved... this movie just Really ruined the series for me personally; It is my least favorite because of how forced the fast paced storyline is and how much lore they redo There could have been Such an awesome redemption for the series if it had better writers and people who actually understood what made the originals so amazing, it could have been awesome. This movie is just one I don't really consider canon
Honestly ALOT. Jack has given away the compass like 6 times already in the series and nothing ever happend. Salazar is cool but he wasn't that great of a bad guy cause he had no real story. I truly tought as well that when salazar was hunting the pearl before the island that will and the flying Dutch men would come in to save/help them. Barbossa was a little bit wasted but liked how he died but could ofc been better. Carina and Henry has no real chemistry or development and like you said yourself a good love intrest needs to do at least one of these things well for it to work, remember how absolutely SMITTEN Will was by Elizabeth in the first movie when we first saw them? Goddamn now that's chemistry! 😂
I dont know why but i like 4 and 5 more than 1 to 3, maybe because i just love the new cgi so much more then the older ones or because i like the funny parts more then a good story. so No i dont agree with your thought but i like your reactions non the less :D
To be fair, Johnny Depp was going through a rough time during filming, which explains why Jack feels off in this, but the script and how it fails to balance Jack is really what's to blame.
if i got a nickel everytime a bitch was at fault for the destruction of a franchise, i would have 2 nickels, one for amber heard and another for kateleen kenedy, which isnt much, but is a shame that it happened twice...
Jack to Will in the first movie "Not all treasure is silver and gold mate" Carina to barbossa "who am i to you?" Barbossa "Treasure" The one redeeming part of the film❤
def not the best one but the moment of "who am i to you?" not anger, not sadness, not disappointment just hope. and for a pirate to soften their gaze and describe someone a "treasure" is highly poetic. maybe the rest of the writting was lacking a lot of things. but that moment right there was precious and always makes me tear up.
The movie was not made by the original team. Different writer, different director, different production designer, different composer... And it shows. It's a case where they think they know why the original movies were so popular but they don't.
Another weird thing about this movie is that the flashback where we see Jack's origin story his former captain inherits him the compass, when in the second movie we learned Jack bought it from Tia Dalma (Calypso). So... Which is it???
I have heard a fan theory that Jack bought the compass from Tia Dalama on the captain's behalf and then was given it as we saw in this movie. Not sure how I feel about that idea, but I haven't heard any better. (When Disney was still doing their "Disney Adventures" digest magazine and occasionally had short "Pirates of the Caribbean" comics in it, there was one expanding on the "Tia Dalama gave it to Jack" version. Extremely lucky in hindsight, the writer framed the story as Jack telling a tale to his friends years after the fact.)
I actually really liked the CGI young Jack. Looked good to me. A bigger issue was the broke the lore of how Jack got the compass, in the second movie you find out Calypso gave Jack the compass...
This is Johnny Depp's last appearance in the POTC franchise, as Disney told him to get lost after his nasty divorce feom his wife Amber Heard. A sixth film is in development as well as a reboot of the franchise. A female led spinoff was announced in 2020 with Margot Robbie in the lead, but it was cancelled.
I deeply hate this movie. It's like the people who made it didn't even watch the originals. They get such basic things wrong, like how they forgot that Tia Dalma/Calypso gave Jack his compass. Jack is out of character for nearly the whole film. He only does one or two deliberately clever things in the entire movie and is a buffoon the rest of the time. The writers also don't understand that being the captain of the Dutchman isn't a curse, it's a responsibility. Davy Jones turned it into a curse for himself when he became overcome with bitterness and apathy and refused to do his duty. Will readily took on the responsibility of ferrying the souls of the dead, so it wouldn't have been a curse for him and he wouldn't have become disfigured. The movie also ruins the perfect bittersweet ending of the original trilogy by replacing it with this facile rectification of Will's fate. I also hate how Jack's entire outfit was given to him by the crew of his first ship. The original costume designers (with input from Johnny himself) crafted Jack's outfit to look like it had been amassed over a lifetime of pirate adventures. And I don't even know where to begin with that nonsensical post credit scene that implies that somehow Davy Jones returned. The only thing I like about this movie is Javier Bardem's performance. In a horrible, ugly, illogical and contrived movie he stands out as a memorable and captivating villain.
I agree wholeheartedly with all of this. There's a little potential here and there but nothing more. (To add one point: Poseidon's trident? Isn't Calypso the goddess of the sea?)
What? A young Jack gave the compass to the captain, there is nothing that doesn't add up there. Jack ends up getting it back. Jack is very badly out of character, but also a complete mess in real life. Alcohol abuse, depression, and a severely bad relationship etc. You see him slowly get better throughout the film, probably as he is forced to stay in character and spend at least less time self destructing. Just because the job is something that needs doing, doesn't mean that being trapped forever, unable to set foot on land more than once every 10 years, and if you ever stop turning into a monster isn't a curse. He chose to do it, but it was still a curse just one he took on.
@@wyterabitt2149 if Jack “gave it to the captain and got it back,” why would the captain have to give him instructions on how to use it? One of the tributes Jack is given is a bead dangle that was canonically made by Jack years later (and uses one of Jack’s own gold teeth). At what point in the timeline would both Jack and Barbossa have known Carina’s mother? They’re either bitter enemies, or one is dead, and then Jack doesn’t see Barbossa between the events of the 3rd and 4th movies, which (if she’s roughly the same age as Henry) is the only time Carina could be conceived. There’s plenty that doesn’t add up, and just points to the laziness of the new writers, and a bad foreshadowing of Disney execs signing off on cheap cash grabs. No need to cope and defend the multibillion dollar industry when they pump out bad product.
"But it could've been great..." is a fair assessment of the movie, IMHO. I enjoyed it for what it was and agree that the ending for the series as a whole is good, but it's the weakest of the series. My understanding is that Disney is looking at a franchise reboot, so any further movies will probably be their own thing. Regarding a couple of the plot holes you discussed: • (20:53) My understanding was that Barbossa used the compass to track Jack. We did see him getting it from the witch before, after all. • (26:36) I think the idea was that Barbossa never thought about finding the Trident for himself until Salazar returned. So, when he'd found the journal 20-some years ago, he just thought it was a used notebook that he could leave his then-infant daughter for the ruby. A couple of plot holes and discrepancies that bothered me with the movie: • The "Flying Dutchman" is back in its cursed, fishy form and sailing our seas, when "At World's End" showed that that only happened when the captain abandoned his duty of ferry souls to the afterlife. I'm not sure what the writers had in mind, but it really makes it look like Will abandoned his duty, too within a couple years of the "At World's End" stinger for no explained reason. • The whole deal of Jack "betraying" the compass by bartering it away was ill-explained, considering that we'd seen the compass change hands a lot before, albeit in some cases of Jack just loaning it. I wish the rules had been better explained. • The backstory with the compass seen here contradicts Tia Dalma commenting that she sold the compass to Jack directly in "Dead Man's Chest." • In one of those "can't unsee it" moments, Davy Jones's claw is depicted as being on his right arm, when, in the other movies, it was his left.
Aside from the retcon of the compass, which Jack originally got from Tia, there’s a giant retcon that largely goes missed because the story of how Jack became a pirate is subtly placed in the story and has some unanswered questions. A story that is undone by showing Jack as a young pirate. While it’s hinted at in the film, the novelisation confirms what I’m about to say and it’s a far better story than the retcon. Jack joined the Navy and his first job was on a ship called the Wicked Wench which was transporting slaves. Jack disagreed with it and ended up freeing the slaves as the Navy turned against him which resulted in the ship being sunk. Jack then made the deal with Davy Jones to bring the ship back as The Black Pearl. Some people theorise that Jones made the debt 100 souls because it was 100 slaves Jack freed. Others think the slaves died and Jack’s trade with Jones was the Black Pearl as in those who went down with the ship and who Jack put his own life on the line to save them. Either way it’s actually a brilliant backstory that they kinda ruined.
Angelina, I want to say thanks for picking up the franchise and sticking with it. I watch a lot of commentators, and they start something and never give it a chance. Thanks for sharing your experience watching these movies with me.
Yeah, not the best way to end a franchise. So many plotholes and they did not write Jack correctly at all. But at least Barbossa died how he lived... like a total badass! RIP.
At 20:53 they found Jack using the compass. Since the compass points towards what the user wants most, Salazar wants to find Jack more than anything and Barbosa wants to find his daughter (whether he knows it or not). Both of them are on the same ship.
No, it SHOULD have been great. The ingredients were all there, to be amazing. Unlike On Stranger Tides, that I originally didn't like all that much when I saw it in the theater, but grew to appreciate it, even love it after rewatching it a few times, I did not enjoy this movie after rewatching it again after that first watch. Everyone just feels off in this, especially Jack, where in On Stranger Tides he was competent and capable despite the flash and occasional buffoonery, this guy is just a buffoon, which is a great premise to start with. Sparrow losing his mojo is a good idea with what happened in the beginning, and gets it back at the end, but he never gets it back this entire movie. Having said that, I will be watching this reaction, I want to see if you notice it too, Lmao
THIS GUY GETS IT The very first movie shown us exactly the type of person Jack Sparrow is, with his superpower of essentially being able to talk his way out of any conflict, with at least decent swordsman skills if he really needed it. Dead Man’s Chest Jack he was terrified of Davey Jones and was trying to escape his fate from the Kraken and then At Worlds End Jack had gone a little mad after spending what I’d assume felt like an eternity alone in the Locker. On Stranger Tides I felt took him back to the first film, only this time it actually shows the audience exactly how he thinks and assesses his surroundings and actually understood what his character was capable of! Then this one seems like it was written by people who had maybe only seen the first movie once and only too away that “he’s the funny man and he’s always drunk. Just look at how he walks and how much he loves rum”
Cool action and occasional great moments. The writing seemed half-hearted, compared to the rest of the movies. Mostly I was bothered by the re-writing of the story of the compass. We were already told that Jack got the compass from Tia Dalma. That just gave me the feeling that they were out of ideas and/or didn't care at all about the previous movies.
as you said yourself, this movie had potential, but a lot of flaws, but what i love about it, which makes me forgive it, is that it give a good cloasure to al my favorite characters, jack has the pearl, will and elizabeth live haply ever after, barbosa had a daugther, and barbosa daugther and will son get together, this makes me happy.
I've always liked Kaya Scodelario since her days on "Skins", so always glad to see her get opportunities to be in high profile projects like this, I hope she gets more in the future
Although this film can't compete with the original trilogy, it is still a fun pirate move with great mythology. I also really like the design of the cursed pirates.
The compass thing is a bit of an inconsistency too. In one of the the previous movies Tia Dalma said Jack got the compass from her, but here he got it from his captain. I agree Karina being Barbosa's daughter should have been introduced earlier in the movie and built up more. Still like this movie more than the 4th one though, just because we're actually spending time on ships this time. And the Will and Elizabeth cameos. xD Also 16:38 I was thinking the same thing. lmao
I still liked this one over 4th. The writing is weaker but has more and much better action. More entertaining overall. About the entire franchise, the 1st one allways have been the best for me.
The main issue, is the severe undermining of the first three movies, as well as retconning a bunch of stuff. Plus it was a rather lazy sequel all things considered.
Geoffrey Rush's performance here is the MVP, he carries this movie on his back to be at least watchable; even Johnny Depp isn't as good as he was in the previous entries. Shame about that script.
In case you were curious, Jack Sparrow’s Uncle Jack was played by Sir Paul McCartney; and the song that he sings, “Maggie May”, was a song he recorded with The Beatles on the Let It Be album.
The biggest failure of the franchise is never showing how jack became a pirate in the first place, he refused to move slave for beckett, freed them in return, 100 souls saved, him and his ship was sunk in the process, he made a deal woth davy jones for a little more time woth his ship which jones brought back blackened by the fire and jack reanamed it the pearl, thats how jack became "evil" he was never a bad person he just got betrayed alot.
Funny thing is that young Jack *was* played by another actor, a young actor and singer/songwriter called Anthony De La Torre, who is engaged to Lana Condor from the To All The Boys I've Loved Before series. I do agree they could have done a better job on that scene though in making him look more like Jack
For everyone who doesn’t understand why Gibbs and the others have returned it’s because Henry said a powerful message with excellent words to them. So I think it’s just me in the world who found this easy to understand this part
I dont like the idea of people telling you beforehand that the movie was written poorly because now it taints the reaction, and all it did was set you up for with a preconceived judgement and fish out every moment that would seem even slightly off.
this movie had alot of writing issues, including not paying attention to details, the compass was sold to Jack by Tia Dalma, that was established in the second movie by Dalma herself, so it couldn't be Jack making stuff up and this being actually the true story. they could have connected the bad guy and the compass in another way, and saved a pretty penny on the de-aging scenes aswell.
Def isn't perfect but honestly the bar was set so high by the original trilogy. As someone who went to see the og movies in theaters with my sisters, we literally dreamt about this exact sequel where Will & Elizabeth could be together again, so going to see this in the theaters together with my sisters all those years later was really a great moment in my life.
The first movie that I had ever seen from POTC was actually DMTNT and it didn't attract me at all - I only watched it later simply for Orlando Bloom when I got older. I have a few bones to pick with this movie: - I hate how they turned Jack into this drunkie, who only ever succeds by luck or others doing the work for him. It made him completely lose his charm and maybe there was a little redemption in the last scene, but still it was very unappealing, - they could have done so much more with Henry's character. When the movie begins it feels like he will be standing right next to Jack in plot relevancy and we would get to know him like we did with Will in the first movie, but the only thing they truly develop in this movie is his want to free his father, what could have been written much better. For example - if he was in the navy, why did they make him so dumb to things including sailing and also so clumsy? - maybe the reason for this is how excellet Will and Elizabeth's romance was set up over the inital trilogy, but the relationship between Karina and Henry is so forced - I feel like they wanted to do too much way too quickly, that's why I didn't really find myself involved. - the plot holes and inconsistensies are so hard for me to bear, because so many things seem pointless and other's not expanded enough The only things that made me enjoy this movie partly is Barbossa and his relationship with Karina. Despite them not having a lot of time in the movie together, I felt every emotion Barbossa was potraying and I wanna praise Geofrey Rush for his performance, because he is a saving grace in this movie. I also found Salazar's past interesting and his reasons were clear, what I really liked. The endings that the characters got I think fit them somehow - it makes sense Elizabeth and Will stopped being pirates and settled to live on an island, since they never really wanted to become pirates in the first place, it was all pretty much forced upon them in some way. Jack continuing to sail is also pretty logical and it made me happy they didn't force him into settling down. Overall the movie wasn't as bad as some people say, but it definetly wasn't living up to what was set before it. The only thing I am happy about from this movie is seeing how everyone ended up and their stories having an end, instead of technically being left unfinished.
As someone who read the Rob Kidd’s “Jack Sparrow books” as a kid, how they used the Trident of Poseidon on this film rubbed me the wrong way. Sure, they can say it holds all the curses of the Seas, but to NOT use that kind of Chekhov’s gun during the movie (like the mystical powers we have seen in other movies). The Trident is the weapon of a god and it looks like a common coral reef. Maybe that is the look that they were going for and I just didn’t like it. The characters were okay on paper, Will’s kid looking for how to free his father and Barbosa’s ‘unsuspecting’ daughter who is looking for a treasure dear to him AND her. Barbosa coming back was great, but I agree his last moments were undermined by how much he didn’t bond with her.
Unfortunately Depp refuses to come back to do more pirates movies because disney handled his case poorly and terminated him before all the evidence came through. So I don’t fancy the chances these next movies hit
weird retcon considering calipso says she gave the compass to jack, also how is barbosas kid only in her 20s when hes been active as a pirate for at least 30 years (probably way more)
It feels like Jack is actually just lucky in this movie. In the others, it's a combination of luck and thinking ten steps ahead. Jack is wayyy smarter than he is shown to be in DMTNT. It's as if he's constantly drinking while dealing with a traumatic brain injury I like the idea behind the opening sequence where they rob the entire bank, and it's fun, but Jack doesn't have much agency in it and he's just trying to keep up with the bank. As a matter of fact, that pretty much sums up how he is for the whole thing, he's there for the ride and to crack jokes. They should have just left Jack and his crew be at the end of OST, and let this story be about Barbossa
Johnny Depp said he'll return to the role if Disney made a public apology to him and admit they messed up. Unfortunately companies aren't fans of admitting fault
You can tell that they wanted to make a good movie, but they were very inexperienced, and Disney was at the beginning of choosing diversity instead of good writers, and Johnny Depp was emotionally unstable, but they could have used that to say Jack was at the end of his rope, ready to die and pushing everyone away until he had this experience revitalizing his desire to be a pirate. But very bad writers
Yes bad writing... but my theory is that Jack knew once he gave up the compass he knew Salizar would be released and him and Barbosa made some sort of plan to be able to reunite him with his daughter because Barbosa wanted to die but wanted to see his daughter. Yes far fetched but better than the writing lol also they couldve made Salizar so much more scarier than anyone like even the flying dutchman steered clear because his ship can be broken but it can be brought back together again.
i didnt realise it either when first watching but the main problem is that will should've dropped dead the moment the curse lifted, he literally doesnt have a heart in his chest
I think Bardem's performance surpasses any other in all the films in the series. But most people think that the best thing about "The Deer Hunter" is a Russian roulette scene and the best thing about "Ben Hur" is a chariot race. I can't fight against those people. I don't even want to.
I think what prevents him from going on land is considered to be enough of a curse for the breaking of the trident to do that. But yes it is ultimately a job and so when Will didn't take up the helm, Davy Jones had to come out of retirement so to speak. And remember Salazar and his crew were blown up, many missing pieces because of it yet come out like they were when alive
I do like this movie, but it's definitely not great. I feel like the central story could have been portrayed in a much more compelling way. I do love the story on its own, and the comedic moments are great, as well as a few dramatic moments, but I think this movie could have had a bit more going on with the performances. I like the new characters for what they are, but they're a bit underwritten, and the movie does rely a bit too much on Johnny Depp, which kind of sucks since in hindsight, a lot was happening with him behind the scenes, so his performance definitely felt more off than usual. (tbf, Jack Sparrow is meant to be kind of "off," but it's a bit more noticeable here). Dead Men Tell No Tales is definitely the weakest Pirates movie, and it could have been great, but as it stands, the movie's just alright. I do think it's far from terrible though. Part of me kind of wishes for a fifth movie just because this one ended off on a pretty interesting note with Will being freed and Jones being back, and I wouldn't mind seeing where that could potentially go, but obviously, I'd hope for that sequel to be better.
You are completely wrong on this one point. You said that Barbosa didn't care about his daughter which was why he gave her away. Barbosa did in fact care about his daughter. That's why he left her with another family along with the journal and the ruby in the hopes that it would help pay for a better life for her. Barbosa is a pirate so in his and anyone else's eyes who's not a pirate would view him as a bad person. He didn't want his daughter to grow up around a bad person like him that's why he had to give her away. He didn't want the same wretched life for her.
I really dislike this movie, from the blatant retcons to the writers not understanding Jack Sparrow as a character at all. The only part I did like, was my boi Barbossa. But even then, it was nowhere near as good as the rest of the series. If you told me that the writers or the director had never seen the Pirates films, maybe only some of the first one, I’d believe you. All they seemingly had to go off of was “Jack is the comic relief because he’s drunk all the time, see how he walks and how much he likes rum!” Ignoring the fact that the dude was witty, clever, pretty decent with a sword who’s talent was to talk himself out of almost every conflict he found himself in. Such an awful film
They don’t even understand Wills Curse as the Captain of the Dutchman! It’s only when he neglects his duty to ferry lost souls, does he start to look all Davey Jones-y 😤
AND The baiting in the trailers and marketing as if it was a “getting the band back together” sort of thing, only for Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightly having only 2 scenes…
it was possibly a tease then disney fired johnny for that amber turd thing , also there was suppose to be other stories or else the map jack stole would be kinda useless puzzle
you have to understand that this was around the time Disney was diving into the wokeness waters and this was the time the whole start of the Amer Heard and Johnny Depp crap (No pun intended) was happening during the filming of this movie.
Its really not nearly as bad as you made it out to be... when you come into a movie with preconceptions and biases before even having watched it, it will never be good. This is my favorite villain in Jack Sparrow, Davie Jones was a better villain but this one was cooler. The romance was pretty good but not the best, its even worse when everyone will immediately compare their romance to Will and Elizabeth and that's unfair to the actors and writers. The CGI and action was top notch for me, same for the comedy. Young Jack did not look that bad, on my first watch I thought it was a younger actor or Johnny Depp's son playing him. People really ought to start forming their own opinions on art and not just imitate others to avoid friction. Enjoying things is awesome, hating is cringe.
The video game Sea of Thieves actually ran with the post-credits scene and continued the story in what I personally consider to be the equivalent of a 6th movie. To be honest, I enjoyed this 5th one more than most did. I still don't like the forced "romance", but I thought it was better here than in the 4th movie. Poor Johnny Depp did his best but he was not at his A-game at this time thanks to the situation he was in. Barbossa was the hero here for sure, and I really liked Salazar as a villain "pirate hunter" turned ghost. I have my issues, but I have plenty with the older movies as well.
Do you agree with my thoughts? What did YOU think needed to be changed? Let me know!
Personally; I would have just changed the Entire story, different villains, different way in which Will is involved... this movie just Really ruined the series for me personally; It is my least favorite because of how forced the fast paced storyline is and how much lore they redo
There could have been Such an awesome redemption for the series if it had better writers and people who actually understood what made the originals so amazing, it could have been awesome. This movie is just one I don't really consider canon
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Honestly ALOT. Jack has given away the compass like 6 times already in the series and nothing ever happend. Salazar is cool but he wasn't that great of a bad guy cause he had no real story. I truly tought as well that when salazar was hunting the pearl before the island that will and the flying Dutch men would come in to save/help them. Barbossa was a little bit wasted but liked how he died but could ofc been better. Carina and Henry has no real chemistry or development and like you said yourself a good love intrest needs to do at least one of these things well for it to work, remember how absolutely SMITTEN Will was by Elizabeth in the first movie when we first saw them? Goddamn now that's chemistry! 😂
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I dont know why but i like 4 and 5 more than 1 to 3, maybe because i just love the new cgi so much more then the older ones or because i like the funny parts more then a good story. so No i dont agree with your thought but i like your reactions non the less :D
To be fair, Johnny Depp was going through a rough time during filming, which explains why Jack feels off in this, but the script and how it fails to balance Jack is really what's to blame.
Fair? Johnny Depp still abused his wife.
Exactly
Jack feels off in this movie because it's been 20 years since he was rescued from Davy Jones Locker. He's like 60 years old in the movie.
And also, having to deal with Amber Heard
if i got a nickel everytime a bitch was at fault for the destruction of a franchise, i would have 2 nickels, one for amber heard and another for kateleen kenedy, which isnt much, but is a shame that it happened twice...
Jack to Will in the first movie "Not all treasure is silver and gold mate"
Carina to barbossa "who am i to you?"
Barbossa "Treasure"
The one redeeming part of the film❤
I *_WANTED_* to post a comment like this!!!
The good news is: *_BARBOSA LEARNED THE LESSON!!!_*
Actually the witch earlier in the film asked him if his treasure was worth dying for.
@averagenoah "I'm a pirate. Always has been always will"
A pirates life Hector 🍻
@@Alysa-Aiday moahahahahhaa bet you to it! A pirates life for me!🍻😜
def not the best one but the moment of "who am i to you?" not anger, not sadness, not disappointment just hope. and for a pirate to soften their gaze and describe someone a "treasure" is highly poetic. maybe the rest of the writting was lacking a lot of things. but that moment right there was precious and always makes me tear up.
barbosa found jack cause that other witch gave him the compass.
Yup. Sometimes when reactors are told the movie is bad, They find holes in the movie that aren't even there.
The movie was not made by the original team. Different writer, different director, different production designer, different composer... And it shows. It's a case where they think they know why the original movies were so popular but they don't.
kinda like the Star Wars production team:(
I mean the music in this movie does go crazy
Another weird thing about this movie is that the flashback where we see Jack's origin story his former captain inherits him the compass, when in the second movie we learned Jack bought it from Tia Dalma (Calypso). So... Which is it???
I have heard a fan theory that Jack bought the compass from Tia Dalama on the captain's behalf and then was given it as we saw in this movie. Not sure how I feel about that idea, but I haven't heard any better. (When Disney was still doing their "Disney Adventures" digest magazine and occasionally had short "Pirates of the Caribbean" comics in it, there was one expanding on the "Tia Dalama gave it to Jack" version. Extremely lucky in hindsight, the writer framed the story as Jack telling a tale to his friends years after the fact.)
Barbossa found jack with the Compass! There are some plot holes but this isn't one :)
I actually really liked the CGI young Jack. Looked good to me. A bigger issue was the broke the lore of how Jack got the compass, in the second movie you find out Calypso gave Jack the compass...
The movie where Keira Knightly probably got paid loads for a 15-second cameo where she didn't have any lines and honestly good for her.
This is Johnny Depp's last appearance in the POTC franchise, as Disney told him to get lost after his nasty divorce feom his wife Amber Heard. A sixth film is in development as well as a reboot of the franchise.
A female led spinoff was announced in 2020 with Margot Robbie in the lead, but it was cancelled.
Where/when did you hear it was cancelled?
No one will really watch nor enjoy any reboots or a sixth film.
@@Aloysius_OHare I would because to me any more of Pirates of the Caribbean is good news to me.
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Even if the quality of every new Pirates movie dwindles more and more?
@@ulfberht4431 Pirates is Pirates. I love the franchise so yes
By the way, Paul McCartney plays Jack Sparrow's Uncle in this movie.
Really? I knew I've seen that face before somewhere
I deeply hate this movie. It's like the people who made it didn't even watch the originals. They get such basic things wrong, like how they forgot that Tia Dalma/Calypso gave Jack his compass. Jack is out of character for nearly the whole film. He only does one or two deliberately clever things in the entire movie and is a buffoon the rest of the time. The writers also don't understand that being the captain of the Dutchman isn't a curse, it's a responsibility. Davy Jones turned it into a curse for himself when he became overcome with bitterness and apathy and refused to do his duty. Will readily took on the responsibility of ferrying the souls of the dead, so it wouldn't have been a curse for him and he wouldn't have become disfigured. The movie also ruins the perfect bittersweet ending of the original trilogy by replacing it with this facile rectification of Will's fate. I also hate how Jack's entire outfit was given to him by the crew of his first ship. The original costume designers (with input from Johnny himself) crafted Jack's outfit to look like it had been amassed over a lifetime of pirate adventures. And I don't even know where to begin with that nonsensical post credit scene that implies that somehow Davy Jones returned. The only thing I like about this movie is Javier Bardem's performance. In a horrible, ugly, illogical and contrived movie he stands out as a memorable and captivating villain.
I agree wholeheartedly with all of this. There's a little potential here and there but nothing more. (To add one point: Poseidon's trident? Isn't Calypso the goddess of the sea?)
What? A young Jack gave the compass to the captain, there is nothing that doesn't add up there. Jack ends up getting it back.
Jack is very badly out of character, but also a complete mess in real life. Alcohol abuse, depression, and a severely bad relationship etc. You see him slowly get better throughout the film, probably as he is forced to stay in character and spend at least less time self destructing.
Just because the job is something that needs doing, doesn't mean that being trapped forever, unable to set foot on land more than once every 10 years, and if you ever stop turning into a monster isn't a curse. He chose to do it, but it was still a curse just one he took on.
I wholeheartedly agree with this, all the inconsistencies with the previous movies is what ruins this one for me
@@wyterabitt2149 if Jack “gave it to the captain and got it back,” why would the captain have to give him instructions on how to use it?
One of the tributes Jack is given is a bead dangle that was canonically made by Jack years later (and uses one of Jack’s own gold teeth).
At what point in the timeline would both Jack and Barbossa have known Carina’s mother? They’re either bitter enemies, or one is dead, and then Jack doesn’t see Barbossa between the events of the 3rd and 4th movies, which (if she’s roughly the same age as Henry) is the only time Carina could be conceived.
There’s plenty that doesn’t add up, and just points to the laziness of the new writers, and a bad foreshadowing of Disney execs signing off on cheap cash grabs. No need to cope and defend the multibillion dollar industry when they pump out bad product.
@@wyterabitt2149 johny chose to marry that mesmerizing yet difficult woman, he knew what he was getting into.
21:10 reminder: barbosa had the compass which points you to the thing you want most.
"But it could've been great..." is a fair assessment of the movie, IMHO. I enjoyed it for what it was and agree that the ending for the series as a whole is good, but it's the weakest of the series. My understanding is that Disney is looking at a franchise reboot, so any further movies will probably be their own thing. Regarding a couple of the plot holes you discussed:
• (20:53) My understanding was that Barbossa used the compass to track Jack. We did see him getting it from the witch before, after all.
• (26:36) I think the idea was that Barbossa never thought about finding the Trident for himself until Salazar returned. So, when he'd found the journal 20-some years ago, he just thought it was a used notebook that he could leave his then-infant daughter for the ruby.
A couple of plot holes and discrepancies that bothered me with the movie:
• The "Flying Dutchman" is back in its cursed, fishy form and sailing our seas, when "At World's End" showed that that only happened when the captain abandoned his duty of ferry souls to the afterlife. I'm not sure what the writers had in mind, but it really makes it look like Will abandoned his duty, too within a couple years of the "At World's End" stinger for no explained reason.
• The whole deal of Jack "betraying" the compass by bartering it away was ill-explained, considering that we'd seen the compass change hands a lot before, albeit in some cases of Jack just loaning it. I wish the rules had been better explained.
• The backstory with the compass seen here contradicts Tia Dalma commenting that she sold the compass to Jack directly in "Dead Man's Chest."
• In one of those "can't unsee it" moments, Davy Jones's claw is depicted as being on his right arm, when, in the other movies, it was his left.
'what it was' A uninspired, abomination??
Aside from the retcon of the compass, which Jack originally got from Tia, there’s a giant retcon that largely goes missed because the story of how Jack became a pirate is subtly placed in the story and has some unanswered questions. A story that is undone by showing Jack as a young pirate. While it’s hinted at in the film, the novelisation confirms what I’m about to say and it’s a far better story than the retcon. Jack joined the Navy and his first job was on a ship called the Wicked Wench which was transporting slaves. Jack disagreed with it and ended up freeing the slaves as the Navy turned against him which resulted in the ship being sunk. Jack then made the deal with Davy Jones to bring the ship back as The Black Pearl. Some people theorise that Jones made the debt 100 souls because it was 100 slaves Jack freed. Others think the slaves died and Jack’s trade with Jones was the Black Pearl as in those who went down with the ship and who Jack put his own life on the line to save them. Either way it’s actually a brilliant backstory that they kinda ruined.
Angelina, I want to say thanks for picking up the franchise and sticking with it. I watch a lot of commentators, and they start something and never give it a chance. Thanks for sharing your experience watching these movies with me.
20:50 . witch gave Barbarossa compass , which point to thing he want most. Remember .
Yeah, not the best way to end a franchise. So many plotholes and they did not write Jack correctly at all. But at least Barbossa died how he lived... like a total badass! RIP.
At 20:53 they found Jack using the compass. Since the compass points towards what the user wants most, Salazar wants to find Jack more than anything and Barbosa wants to find his daughter (whether he knows it or not). Both of them are on the same ship.
No, it SHOULD have been great. The ingredients were all there, to be amazing. Unlike On Stranger Tides, that I originally didn't like all that much when I saw it in the theater, but grew to appreciate it, even love it after rewatching it a few times, I did not enjoy this movie after rewatching it again after that first watch. Everyone just feels off in this, especially Jack, where in On Stranger Tides he was competent and capable despite the flash and occasional buffoonery, this guy is just a buffoon, which is a great premise to start with. Sparrow losing his mojo is a good idea with what happened in the beginning, and gets it back at the end, but he never gets it back this entire movie. Having said that, I will be watching this reaction, I want to see if you notice it too, Lmao
THIS GUY GETS IT
The very first movie shown us exactly the type of person Jack Sparrow is, with his superpower of essentially being able to talk his way out of any conflict, with at least decent swordsman skills if he really needed it. Dead Man’s Chest Jack he was terrified of Davey Jones and was trying to escape his fate from the Kraken and then At Worlds End Jack had gone a little mad after spending what I’d assume felt like an eternity alone in the Locker. On Stranger Tides I felt took him back to the first film, only this time it actually shows the audience exactly how he thinks and assesses his surroundings and actually understood what his character was capable of!
Then this one seems like it was written by people who had maybe only seen the first movie once and only too away that “he’s the funny man and he’s always drunk. Just look at how he walks and how much he loves rum”
Cool action and occasional great moments. The writing seemed half-hearted, compared to the rest of the movies. Mostly I was bothered by the re-writing of the story of the compass. We were already told that Jack got the compass from Tia Dalma. That just gave me the feeling that they were out of ideas and/or didn't care at all about the previous movies.
Turns out this movie had a different director, writers, crew... so yea, they didnt care that much
I like to imagine Salazar shouting "Your name is Jack Sparrow now!" At the pirate ship right before his own ship gets cursed.
as you said yourself, this movie had potential, but a lot of flaws, but what i love about it, which makes me forgive it, is that it give a good cloasure to al my favorite characters, jack has the pearl, will and elizabeth live haply ever after, barbosa had a daugther, and barbosa daugther and will son get together, this makes me happy.
I've always liked Kaya Scodelario since her days on "Skins", so always glad to see her get opportunities to be in high profile projects like this, I hope she gets more in the future
Please give the Star Trek franchise a chance.
I'm a Trekkie and would love to see reactions on the movies, or TV shows, or both, or whatever.
YEES she'd love them
This is still one of my favourites in the series. :)
Another legend of the music acting here, Paul mccartney is that pirate in jail telling skeleton bar jocke
Although this film can't compete with the original trilogy, it is still a fun pirate move with great mythology. I also really like the design of the cursed pirates.
The villain of this movie is the best part of this movie and the subplot of Carina and Barbosaa family connection
The compass thing is a bit of an inconsistency too. In one of the the previous movies Tia Dalma said Jack got the compass from her, but here he got it from his captain. I agree Karina being Barbosa's daughter should have been introduced earlier in the movie and built up more.
Still like this movie more than the 4th one though, just because we're actually spending time on ships this time. And the Will and Elizabeth cameos. xD
Also 16:38 I was thinking the same thing. lmao
The Crazy Hatter can be heard in every voice line. Or is it just me? :D
20:48 he has the compass. so he will find what he wants the most in that moment which is jack because he needs to find him to stay alive.
You missed that Barbossa used the compass to find Sparrow?
I still liked this one over 4th. The writing is weaker but has more and much better action. More entertaining overall.
About the entire franchise, the 1st one allways have been the best for me.
31:21-31:28 I get sad 😞 when, Barbossa is dead. 33:11-33:20 anyway, I am just happy 😃 to see Elizabeth reunite with Will Turner.
8:30 the whole town speaks of you that's how Carina knew about and found Henry
The main issue, is the severe undermining of the first three movies, as well as retconning a bunch of stuff. Plus it was a rather lazy sequel all things considered.
Geoffrey Rush's performance here is the MVP, he carries this movie on his back to be at least watchable; even Johnny Depp isn't as good as he was in the previous entries. Shame about that script.
21:03 the compass 👍
The second is my favorite, I saw it in theaters four times! I'd rank them 2, 3, 1, 4, 5.
In case you were curious, Jack Sparrow’s Uncle Jack was played by Sir Paul McCartney; and the song that he sings, “Maggie May”, was a song he recorded with The Beatles on the Let It Be album.
The biggest failure of the franchise is never showing how jack became a pirate in the first place, he refused to move slave for beckett, freed them in return, 100 souls saved, him and his ship was sunk in the process, he made a deal woth davy jones for a little more time woth his ship which jones brought back blackened by the fire and jack reanamed it the pearl, thats how jack became "evil" he was never a bad person he just got betrayed alot.
Love the lotr quotes Ang drops now that she's seen them 😂
😂😂 Im obsessed
@@ANGELINAA who isn't after watching them 😁
for some reason I liked this one more than the 4th movie.
Hector Barbossa is a true Pirate and he would Die to Protect his most precious Treasure (His Daughter) i found that fitting and so beautiful
barbosa had the compass... that's how he found jack..
Can you watch "Hachi" pretty please with a cherry on top 🙏 🙏🙏
thank you so much for the super chat! definitely on the list!!
If you rewatch the part Jack gives up the compass, there's a shot that shows the compass and a rat. During the witch scene, there are rats around.
Maze Runner chick is mainly famous from the hugely popular show Skins.
Funny thing is that young Jack *was* played by another actor, a young actor and singer/songwriter called Anthony De La Torre, who is engaged to Lana Condor from the To All The Boys I've Loved Before series. I do agree they could have done a better job on that scene though in making him look more like Jack
This was a nice wrap up. Not perfect, but it resolved a few issues.
I have a feeling that if Elizabeth knew her son was going to go save Will she would've gone with to help her son save her husband.
19:22 i thought Tia Dalma aka Calypso gave Jack the compass as she mentioned in the second movie
For everyone who doesn’t understand why Gibbs and the others have returned it’s because Henry said a powerful message with excellent words to them. So I think it’s just me in the world who found this easy to understand this part
This movie was filmed in Australia, with the majority of Salazar's crew being Aussies.
I’m a big fan of this Franchise, although this movie also made me a fan of Kaya Scodelario she was absolutely Stunning
Thats Crazyy.. Faramir joined the English Navy to prove his worth and even Angelina didnt recognize him 😢😂😂😂
My favorite part is the end 😍 The first time I watched it I fell asleep at the cinema during the middle part 😅
Still like this more than on stranger tides
I dont like the idea of people telling you beforehand that the movie was written poorly because now it taints the reaction, and all it did was set you up for with a preconceived judgement and fish out every moment that would seem even slightly off.
this movie had alot of writing issues, including not paying attention to details, the compass was sold to Jack by Tia Dalma, that was established in the second movie by Dalma herself, so it couldn't be Jack making stuff up and this being actually the true story. they could have connected the bad guy and the compass in another way, and saved a pretty penny on the de-aging scenes aswell.
Def isn't perfect but honestly the bar was set so high by the original trilogy. As someone who went to see the og movies in theaters with my sisters, we literally dreamt about this exact sequel where Will & Elizabeth could be together again, so going to see this in the theaters together with my sisters all those years later was really a great moment in my life.
21:15 the compass leads Barbossa to Jack
he is an good movie better than the 4
The first movie that I had ever seen from POTC was actually DMTNT and it didn't attract me at all - I only watched it later simply for Orlando Bloom when I got older.
I have a few bones to pick with this movie:
- I hate how they turned Jack into this drunkie, who only ever succeds by luck or others doing the work for him. It made him completely lose his charm and maybe there was a little redemption in the last scene, but still it was very unappealing,
- they could have done so much more with Henry's character. When the movie begins it feels like he will be standing right next to Jack in plot relevancy and we would get to know him like we did with Will in the first movie, but the only thing they truly develop in this movie is his want to free his father, what could have been written much better. For example - if he was in the navy, why did they make him so dumb to things including sailing and also so clumsy?
- maybe the reason for this is how excellet Will and Elizabeth's romance was set up over the inital trilogy, but the relationship between Karina and Henry is so forced - I feel like they wanted to do too much way too quickly, that's why I didn't really find myself involved.
- the plot holes and inconsistensies are so hard for me to bear, because so many things seem pointless and other's not expanded enough
The only things that made me enjoy this movie partly is Barbossa and his relationship with Karina. Despite them not having a lot of time in the movie together, I felt every emotion Barbossa was potraying and I wanna praise Geofrey Rush for his performance, because he is a saving grace in this movie.
I also found Salazar's past interesting and his reasons were clear, what I really liked.
The endings that the characters got I think fit them somehow - it makes sense Elizabeth and Will stopped being pirates and settled to live on an island, since they never really wanted to become pirates in the first place, it was all pretty much forced upon them in some way. Jack continuing to sail is also pretty logical and it made me happy they didn't force him into settling down.
Overall the movie wasn't as bad as some people say, but it definetly wasn't living up to what was set before it. The only thing I am happy about from this movie is seeing how everyone ended up and their stories having an end, instead of technically being left unfinished.
As someone who read the Rob Kidd’s “Jack Sparrow books” as a kid, how they used the Trident of Poseidon on this film rubbed me the wrong way. Sure, they can say it holds all the curses of the Seas, but to NOT use that kind of Chekhov’s gun during the movie (like the mystical powers we have seen in other movies). The Trident is the weapon of a god and it looks like a common coral reef. Maybe that is the look that they were going for and I just didn’t like it. The characters were okay on paper, Will’s kid looking for how to free his father and Barbosa’s ‘unsuspecting’ daughter who is looking for a treasure dear to him AND her. Barbosa coming back was great, but I agree his last moments were undermined by how much he didn’t bond with her.
I think I fell asleep 3 times watching this, and have almost no memory of what was actually going on. I only remember a couple of moments.
Unfortunately Depp refuses to come back to do more pirates movies because disney handled his case poorly and terminated him before all the evidence came through. So I don’t fancy the chances these next movies hit
As he should
Was surprised to not see an editor's note for the Beatles cameo.
the Ruby was embedded into the journal.
how anyone can nitpick this movie from min one till the end and then say the 4th movie was alright, is beyond me
Crawl is a good movie that features Kaya Scodelario as the main lead.
weird retcon considering calipso says she gave the compass to jack, also how is barbosas kid only in her 20s when hes been active as a pirate for at least 30 years (probably way more)
David Wenham (who plays faramir in LOTR) is the navy captain in this movie
Barbosa found Jack because he had the compass...
Bit of a sheeple reaction
It feels like Jack is actually just lucky in this movie. In the others, it's a combination of luck and thinking ten steps ahead. Jack is wayyy smarter than he is shown to be in DMTNT. It's as if he's constantly drinking while dealing with a traumatic brain injury
I like the idea behind the opening sequence where they rob the entire bank, and it's fun, but Jack doesn't have much agency in it and he's just trying to keep up with the bank. As a matter of fact, that pretty much sums up how he is for the whole thing, he's there for the ride and to crack jokes. They should have just left Jack and his crew be at the end of OST, and let this story be about Barbossa
Johnny Depp said he'll return to the role if Disney made a public apology to him and admit they messed up. Unfortunately companies aren't fans of admitting fault
Goated banter
When my brother asked if the pirates movies are good and if he should watch. I told him to stop with the fourth one
You can tell that they wanted to make a good movie, but they were very inexperienced, and Disney was at the beginning of choosing diversity instead of good writers, and Johnny Depp was emotionally unstable, but they could have used that to say Jack was at the end of his rope, ready to die and pushing everyone away until he had this experience revitalizing his desire to be a pirate.
But very bad writers
Yes bad writing... but my theory is that Jack knew once he gave up the compass he knew Salizar would be released and him and Barbosa made some sort of plan to be able to reunite him with his daughter because Barbosa wanted to die but wanted to see his daughter. Yes far fetched but better than the writing lol also they couldve made Salizar so much more scarier than anyone like even the flying dutchman steered clear because his ship can be broken but it can be brought back together again.
i didnt realise it either when first watching but the main problem is that will should've dropped dead the moment the curse lifted, he literally doesnt have a heart in his chest
Salazar and his crew were blown up with most missing pieces of themselves, thats not a problem
@@Vivianthuy-mn9jd yh it applies to them too the curse was the only thing keeping them alive
I think Bardem's performance surpasses any other in all the films in the series. But most people think that the best thing about "The Deer Hunter" is a Russian roulette scene and the best thing about "Ben Hur" is a chariot race. I can't fight against those people. I don't even want to.
I had an issue with the premise: Will was not cursed. He "signed" an employment contract, and if that ended, he should go back to being dead.
I think what prevents him from going on land is considered to be enough of a curse for the breaking of the trident to do that. But yes it is ultimately a job and so when Will didn't take up the helm, Davy Jones had to come out of retirement so to speak.
And remember Salazar and his crew were blown up, many missing pieces because of it yet come out like they were when alive
I do like this movie, but it's definitely not great. I feel like the central story could have been portrayed in a much more compelling way. I do love the story on its own, and the comedic moments are great, as well as a few dramatic moments, but I think this movie could have had a bit more going on with the performances. I like the new characters for what they are, but they're a bit underwritten, and the movie does rely a bit too much on Johnny Depp, which kind of sucks since in hindsight, a lot was happening with him behind the scenes, so his performance definitely felt more off than usual. (tbf, Jack Sparrow is meant to be kind of "off," but it's a bit more noticeable here). Dead Men Tell No Tales is definitely the weakest Pirates movie, and it could have been great, but as it stands, the movie's just alright. I do think it's far from terrible though. Part of me kind of wishes for a fifth movie just because this one ended off on a pretty interesting note with Will being freed and Jones being back, and I wouldn't mind seeing where that could potentially go, but obviously, I'd hope for that sequel to be better.
I don't over-analyze... I'm in it for the fun
You are completely wrong on this one point. You said that Barbosa didn't care about his daughter which was why he gave her away.
Barbosa did in fact care about his daughter. That's why he left her with another family along with the journal and the ruby in the hopes that it would help pay for a better life for her. Barbosa is a pirate so in his and anyone else's eyes who's not a pirate would view him as a bad person. He didn't want his daughter to grow up around a bad person like him that's why he had to give her away. He didn't want the same wretched life for her.
21:00 there is lazy writing for sure, but pretty sure Barbosa used the compass that leads you to the thing you want the most.
I really dislike this movie, from the blatant retcons to the writers not understanding Jack Sparrow as a character at all. The only part I did like, was my boi Barbossa. But even then, it was nowhere near as good as the rest of the series.
If you told me that the writers or the director had never seen the Pirates films, maybe only some of the first one, I’d believe you. All they seemingly had to go off of was “Jack is the comic relief because he’s drunk all the time, see how he walks and how much he likes rum!” Ignoring the fact that the dude was witty, clever, pretty decent with a sword who’s talent was to talk himself out of almost every conflict he found himself in. Such an awful film
They don’t even understand Wills Curse as the Captain of the Dutchman! It’s only when he neglects his duty to ferry lost souls, does he start to look all Davey Jones-y 😤
AND The baiting in the trailers and marketing as if it was a “getting the band back together” sort of thing, only for Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightly having only 2 scenes…
Can you react to the Bronx tale it’s a really good old classic with life lessons in it
it was possibly a tease then disney fired johnny for that amber turd thing , also there was suppose to be other stories or else the map jack stole would be kinda useless puzzle
you have to understand that this was around the time Disney was diving into the wokeness waters and this was the time the whole start of the Amer Heard and Johnny Depp crap (No pun intended) was happening during the filming of this movie.
i like how ghost dud say jack sparrow and death of we know who
Its really not nearly as bad as you made it out to be... when you come into a movie with preconceptions and biases before even having watched it, it will never be good. This is my favorite villain in Jack Sparrow, Davie Jones was a better villain but this one was cooler. The romance was pretty good but not the best, its even worse when everyone will immediately compare their romance to Will and Elizabeth and that's unfair to the actors and writers. The CGI and action was top notch for me, same for the comedy. Young Jack did not look that bad, on my first watch I thought it was a younger actor or Johnny Depp's son playing him. People really ought to start forming their own opinions on art and not just imitate others to avoid friction. Enjoying things is awesome, hating is cringe.
Having Davy jones actually talk and bring back the kraken
The video game Sea of Thieves actually ran with the post-credits scene and continued the story in what I personally consider to be the equivalent of a 6th movie. To be honest, I enjoyed this 5th one more than most did. I still don't like the forced "romance", but I thought it was better here than in the 4th movie. Poor Johnny Depp did his best but he was not at his A-game at this time thanks to the situation he was in. Barbossa was the hero here for sure, and I really liked Salazar as a villain "pirate hunter" turned ghost. I have my issues, but I have plenty with the older movies as well.
Barbossa found Jack cause he had the compass from the witch.
A lil suggestion is the Beverly Hills cop trilogy and the Conjuring trilogy which are both great