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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- CS games always didn't have the best launch, so let's explore them and see what they were like
MY TWITTER:
/ dez0lance
Music:
Aero the Acro-bat - Opening Theme (No Intro)
Excitebike 64 - Mountain Quarry, The Gravel Pit, Blizzard Blitz, and Credits
Perfect Dark- Alien Conflict
Half Life 2- intro
Deus Ex - Lebedev's Airfield - Combat
CS Conditon Zero - Drug Lab
Downloads and versions I used:
CS 1.0
www.moddb.com/mods/counter-st...
CSS 2005
gamebanana.com/mods/34742
CSGO
demo_viewer -for pre 2013/1/9 beta branch on steam
Intro- 0:00
Counter Strike - 0:51
Counter Strike Source - 3:48
CS:GO - 6:46
Counter Strike 2 - 10:19
Outro - 11:08
#counterstrike #counterstrike2 #counterstrikeglobaloffensive #counterstrike1.6 #counterstrikevideo
Counter Strike was Never Good on Release
Counter-Strike Release Issues
Counter Strike 2 Release version
Counter Strike Broken Release
Counter Strike Games were always bad at release
#videoessay #explained #counterstrikebugs #videogame - เกม
I am aware the CS 1.0 menu UI isn't the WON version but I forgot to mention I couldn't get that to work, (it would still look the same as won hl so I'm not wrong on that)
And yes CS2 release is bad I am not trying to diminish or excuse it
You have a very bad take on this. But you're allowed to I guess. You remind me of the people saying Quake Champions is garbage, and march around saying Quake 3 is better, and yet you never play it.
i agree since 50% of cs:go people cant play cs:2 because of potato cs:s pc (including me)
@@RogueSergeant I hate the "old good, new bad" sentiment if that's what you mean. Each game is unique in it's own right.
@@dezolance unique = good? Bad take continues
@@tehjamerz it goes both ways, man. To quote WarOwl, "Just because something is different than you're used to does not make it bad, and just because something is new does not make it good."
Can we just admire that nade throw; 5:55
thats a trick people used to do in cobble to get better rng
Hahaha i see it dude thats funny😂😂😂
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
hey thats my nade throw.
The scoreboard/UI issue is probably because you're using the Steam version of Half-Life as a base, CS 1.0 was intended for the WON version.
There is a scoreboard issue? Or ui one? The am playing with no sound because my headphones died. Please explain.
1.5 was the best version, 1.6 sucks
@@Mentelgen-1337 on 2:00, this guy used the modified version of CS 1.6 or something combined with CS 1.0 - 1.5 (WON) version UI code. CS 1.6 scoreboard UI looks different and since 2013, they have Steam avatar/profile pic on it.
i love how source bugs are alot of the ones people were speaking on CS2. going off the map,bad hitbox,no new content,less maps.
I have a question. Why should we care that previous games were released in a half-baked state? Valve could learn from past experiences and release the game with full content and fewer bugs. Low standards of gamers and stockholm syndrome toward game companies will never stop baffling me.
The video's purpose is entertainment not to excuse Valve. It sucks when they do this but due to their unique position they will do what they want, so best I can do is hope it gets better.
Some issues are almost impossible to find until the game is released. The previous releases were not really "half-baked" they were as good as they could have been until more people got their hands on the game. CS2 released in a weird state though, the competitive mode is "feature complete" but the rest of the casual modes are missing. My guess is that they wanted to quickly bring over all the esports to the new game and focus on improving that instead of waiting for the game to be 100% finished. The casual modes will probably make a reappearance when a new operation releases, as that's usually when more people play them
true but the game is very playable and fun and whilst it lacks content compared to the end of csgo's lifespan there is no way people would wait 1 to 2 more years for cs2. i much rather get updates along the way and see it grow. just wish cobblestone and train were playable, and dust2 was in premier.
keep in mind csgo was out 5 years already when those hitboxes got scuffed. should we have waited 5 years longer for csgo?
when in your opinion is the right time because the thing with multiplayer games is they break with patches.
Valve is known for their timeless, amazing games.
just give them some time, there's definitely a reason why they did it, we're just not at the same level as them to understand.
@@khairii4154 The meatriding goes hard
CSCZ 1.0 retail is interesting, no HD models for the hands and guns yet but it's available for deleted scenes. And gun balance was everywhere.
We don't talk about Condition Zero ever m8, that game should have been left as an Enigma but it has a good base for a stable Counter Strike game on the GoldSrc engine.
@@BookOfEnchantments "We don't talk about Condition Zero ever" Except we do.
its fun tho, maybe wasnt released in a way thats fair but the singleplayer experience is a good novelty and noone forced you to play it unlike cs2 deleting csgo @@BookOfEnchantments
@@TheSabaton1 as i said, its an enigma cause the bases of Condition Zero gave out one of my most played Counter Strike game back in my school days "Counter Strike Online" by Nexon.
To this day i still used its HD Models for reference to make gun skins in CS Source
I mean if we compare csgo and cs2, csgo was really really bad when it came out but now it's perfect (rip csgo), and if we follow the same logic I believe that cs2 is gonna be better than csgo, we just need to have faith on Valve, and let em cook, like just look how much updates they've been doing to fix this and that (and sometimes breaking others things at the same time), let's just trust them, I mean there is nothing we can do except waiting for them to finish and polish this masterpiece.
Valve really loves you right? You can copy paste your comment for Fallout 76, Battlefield 2042, Cyberpunk 2077, Modern Warfare 2 and so on. Yeah maybe we should feel "sorry" for being the costumer of a billion dollar company and not the company itself LOL.
@@_Vanquisher_then some snowflake will come and comment " oh no but it runs perfect on my michine, stop being toxic"
Lol csgo perfect what a cope
@@PeachwiseSyndromeway better than what we have now.
The issue is that valve has the tendency to ALWAYS ship a buggy, incomplete CS. This is a stupid tendency and it’d be infinitely better if they took their time to ship a complete game rather than replacing a fine game with a buggy, messy, incomplete “modern” remake of itself.
2:50 DOOR STUCK
DOOR STUCK! PLEASE! I BEG YOU! WE'RE DEAD!
I didn't got access to the beta, so I practically play this game for a month and I like it. I feel like I am the only one enjoying cs2. It has issues obviously, but it runs smooth, feels good, the headshots are quite satisfying. I knew that there will be patches and improvements for months to come, I don't get what people were expecting.
Me too, it definietly wasn't perfect because bullets just wont hit enemies sometimes for no reason but that was all.
I can understand all the problems with CS2 and I encounter a lot of them when I play but honestly, I am having a lot of fun with the game even if that's the case. :)
agreed, ive been finding it way more enjoyable than GO honestly, still slightly annoyed that like 60% of the game is missing, no gamemodes besides comp and wingman, ranks are busted, most of the maps are missing, no unranked etc. but id imagine theyll get added *eventually*, just a matter of waiting, which is the same with every single new game ever
@@KH-lh2lp ranks had nothing to do with it, i was global on GO, as were a lot of my friends, every time i checked the beta invites there were 2 or 3 people on my friends list who had access, the invites were completely random as far as im aware
I'm pretty sure Half Life 2 Collectors Edition includes the (kinda) day 1 version of CS source, as well as the day 1 release of hl2 and hl source
I was really waiting for your another vid
That zm server we played in 1.6 when you were live is always empty now :'( rip
cs is a very hard game to nail at release. everything has to be perfect since its so competetive.
i agree, but in the case of cs2 all they had to do was clone csgo and add dynamic nade physics + quality of life improvements
there is NO excuse for the collision, audio and spraying issues. the peeker's advantage also should have been reworked before release, but i understand this is a byproduct of new engine
@@brentisverycool also considering they had to reprogram the hole game ground up with the new enginge, they did an amazing job. i just feel like they rushed the release since many of these bugs should be pretty easy fixes
10:59 Well i understand your point, but i also understand why valve would want to release cs2 as soon as possible. For example, when cs2 was still in beta, many players gave it a shot, didint like it and switched back to csgo, not giving full feedback on what needs to be change, what is good etc. From developers perspective without feedback it would be hard to perfect the game, but when players were forced to play cs2 instead of csgo, first they will be very unhappy. Thats a good thing, because if people are unhappy and frustrated they will go on rants about why it sucks etc, something like feedback. With all of these new information it is easier for the developers to fix bugs and develop the game further. Another thing popping into my mind is that if they would keep csgo and simultaneously have cs2, they would have twice as mach work to put in, because if they would focus fully on cs2 and updating it, leaving csgo a bit in the back the players that play csgo would be frustrated about not getting new content / not fixing bugs quick enough. So to summarize everything i said, it just simpler for the developers to replace csgo with cs2 and commit fully into fixing and making cs2 better.
PS: Its just what i think valves motives were, i dont work nor i dont know anyone working at valve in the development of cs2, so take it with a pinch of salt.
csgo also has the baggage of tech debt and spaghetti code combo
maintaining csgo and cs2 is at least 2.5x - 3x work, being on 2 different engine and csgo's spaghetti code is known to break easily with every little changes
Just because previous titles had a rough launch that does not mean we have to repeat the same mistake years later. Honestly CS2 would have benefited if they delay it.
nah player testing is much more important because it finds bugs much faster
@@bokonoo77 That's true but there is a thing called "beta" which Valve ran for CS2 but only with limited player numbers. If they released CS2 for everyone and placed a "public beta" next to it then all of this would not mattered as obviously the game is not ready for a full release. Instead the game was released as is, in an unfinished state.
Honestly all the bugs in cs2 right now aren’t nearly as bad as things that happened in Global offensive through its lifespan we had: Ts on train being able to ride a pigeon into the skybox, Olofboost during a major, a driver issue wher you could TURN OFF SMOKES, the bomb falling off of both vertigo and that one payback/bravo era map seaside or whatever it was called and the cts just hiding for the rest of the round, cache having a ton of unintentional boosts , nuke having sound issues, the ump having a multi year reign of terror, whatever the hell the making the Krieg and Aug cheap was, yeah that game had its issues too
Stop spreading misinfo - CS:GO was pERFeCt & the "CSGO'ed" meme never actually existed 😏
I remember how comically bad the hitboxes were. Look up CSGO'd. It's history now, but back then it was a big deal. Also shit like the R8 and "AUG week" were crazy.
hasn't there been the olofboost 2 already
Anyone else remember when the head hitbox would essentially meld into the rest of the body after getting a dink with the m4?
And still the thumb on galil scout and sg552 is pointing out an 9:34 there there is a gap while holding the scout
10:50 I think they would if they could, but everything was horribly planned out as they needed to release the game early enough for the pro players to get started because of the Major...
In the CS:S section you can get the 2004 version if you look up the Half Life 2 collections cd iirc it includes CS:S
As an old guy playing CS since Beta 6.1 which has the era of the cool M4A1 with an ACOG scope and undetachable supressor, People in the newer version didnt realize that I also seen bad stuffs in the old CS v1.0. Characters are walking but you see them floating while they do splits. 🤣
To be fair, this kind of thing was still happening on 1.5 and even 1.6. GoldSrc was a very buggy engine for today's standards.
This gives me hope. Thank you
Another goated video from the goat
You can get the CSS day 1 version from the half life 2 day one package it comes with half life source hl2 and CSS all first release
Cs2 is a prime example of valve not taking valve time when they really should have
Hey, how was the cereal though? Did freezing the milk work?
there was a beta before even the first beta, it was for quake 3 called URBAN ASSAULT. The project switched to the Half Life engine (a modified quake 2 engine) due to how it had breakable glass. I'm not even sure if a full map was made, I think it was more just a concept at that point.
Where could you download the pod bot for cs 1.0?
I still remember my childhood, playing old ver CSS that I bought from pirated CD games shop. Good old time
i would argue that it doesnt feel great, it feels alright, but it does look great. there is some strange hitbox issues and dying behind walls/ weird subtick moments that are in fact the opposite of "what you see, is what you get" i do have faith that it will eventually get better
dude, sjdhs idk how but some time ago i bought a cs source disk and i got one of the first releases with some deleted maps and things like that, was somewhat curious, i remember there's was a blackhawk map for bomb gamemode and was kinda fun but it looked like a really early map or fanmade map, i gotta try to find it someday
Old CS 1.6 maps in CS:Source: "eh copypasting of maps game bad"
Not even 50% of maps from CS:GO, while only 3 of which are fully overhauled for CS2: "New maps on the new engine looK so gooD!!!!! It looks so promising!!!!"
Dude you are inhaling so much copium it's crazy, go touch grass, CS2 is bad.
fr my guy facts i think cs source is a great game cs people just like to shit on it because its not hyper competitive sweat game
true cs2 and csgo is litterally the same game
very good video !!
you can get the older versions of CSS off of the disk versions
I played loads of Counter Strike Source. Not sure what's happening in your video with the headshots - I've never encountered any issues with them.
In fact, CS S is known for being headshot-centric, due to the head hitbox being bigger than in other CS entries, which makes going for the head even more crucial than in other entries.
Maybe it's because he was playing an earlier version. I don't know
He played with the current version with mods installed to resemble the original version from 2004. He has explained in the video that finding early versions of CS: Source is really difficult.
@@naufalt.a8796 I thought he played an earlier version, even if not launch
The title is a valid point, but you'd think if you're continuing something onwards, you'd learn from the mistakes of the past.
But why did they remove csgo servers suport without all teh gamemodes and maps i cs2
Bro your content is just too good. I like these lil silent breaks you place between topics. Classic mf right here
"you get what you see"
Honey, i dont get the cs2 drama. Game is pretty fun
Cs2 Is a great game it saved me from my addiction to csgo, after 4k hours i can finally do some real stuff like hanging out with my depression ty valve
call them jingling keys all you like, as a hammer user the physics are great for all kinda of things.
i love how cscz basically didnt happen lol
Did you know that you could load Half-life 1 map in CS1.0? Cause you are playing the mod version for Half-life. There is all the Half-life map and you could found the suit battery charger but it's icon was a scientist screaming maybe just a place holder.
Sick video dude, you're like RebelTaxi but for topics I actually care about.
what i missed about cs is keyboard shorcuts. made me prefer the older cs than cs2 or even csgo.
I kinda like cs2, gotta give them time to see if they get their sht together tho
God, the CS community is so frustrating when it comes to any change whatsoever
Lol, I remember the whining when they disabled a crosshair for sniper rifles in noscope mode in 1.1.
@@U99DrunkDinosaur or the AUG/SG complaints
5:54 the guy nading himself
Before nadeking was invented
Do i hear perfect dark ?
2:50 this is not an crash bug,just an door bug ok
Animations in CSGO beta 🥶🥶🥶
Finally someone said it, like cs:go had problems too
there is a thread on HLTV about cs:go when it released. Almost all complaints from cs2 are interchangeable with complaints from that
Developers, developers, developers, develop!!!
wow this is an awesome video
solid video
I don't mind it replacing CSGO honestly i think it was the right choise,the one and only problem i find with CS2's release was the fact that it was rushed to release. Seriously if this baby stood like a few more months in beta and the devs ironed out as many issues as possible when it got released it would've been rlly good,good enough that ppl would ignore the few issues it would inevitably had left and they'd be fixed soon after.
But as it was rushed in time for new competitions and such it released with ALOT of issues which shouldn't have happened. I also think ppl exagerate alot too cuz some things are not as bad and Valve does release updates for the game daily so issues are blown pout of proportions and also fixed almost instantly so ppl should just shut up and go outside for a couple of days,most likely by the time they're back the game is fixed and they also got some sunlight XD
let people complain so that all bugs and other problems are fixed early on
new video yay!
epic coldones greenscreen meme moment
6:58 BRO IS THAT HARD RAIN FROM LEFT 4 DEAD 2?!
My main issue with the cs2 discourse is people who really genuinely expected that it would have every single thing from csgo’s final version in it on launch.
It’s a new game on a new engine, you cannot reasonably expect it to have the 10+ years of content from the previous game which ran on a different engine straight away. It’s a logistical nightmare. people would find bugs in the old obscure content no one plays and the devs would have to spend so much time fixing for pairity more so than they already have had to and even then people who spent 10+ years playing the previous game are mad because it doesn’t “feel” exactly the same as if that isn’t a insane thing to want.
You see this with fighting games too, where they get multiple releases over the years and are continually updated with dlc etc, and a large vocal minority is mad because the game has less stuff in it than the one that had been around for years and was built on.
Cs2 is a new start to allow valve to realistically continue to support counter-strike without having to work on a shitty ass game engine from years ago. I’m sure it will end up having more in it than csgo ever had.
Also, deeply funny that everyone complained about the cs2 beta being limited and said “let everyone just play it ffs” so valve did in fact do that.
That said I miss retakes, I don’t get why the beautiful new Italy remake can’t be played in competitive if Office can, not like Competitive means shit with premiere existing anyway especially with the per map ranks (basically serving as a “learn the maps!” mode) so who cares.
Where is Condition Zero?
About csgo seriousness, i think the main menu theme and the trailer counts for it maybe? For the main menu theme i just like it more, and the trailer.. the music of it is INCREDIBLE, same for the gameplay one but.. VALVE PLEASE WHERE IS CS2 CINEMATIC TRAILER.
Also i like both cs2 and csgo graphics.
Good content
proper balance between two guns doesnt mean they have to be perfectly split 50-50 in usage from the playerbase.
9:37 you say there wasnt bugs but there was a fuckload? I mean for years the community had a saying where you would get "csgo'd" where the bullets just would not hit anyone
I recently started playing source again and i'm having the time of my life
- no skin/market/season crap
- no competitive ladder ingame
- no horrible unranked matchmaking experience
- custom maps
- dedicated servers
- rock solid gameplay and predictable gun mechanics
- really active community of mature players
- welcoming atmosphere and almost no toxicity on public servers
I'll play CS2 once community servers and cuistom maps are a thing, for now, it feels like a beta game.
WHERE ARE THE WORKSHOP MAPS? WERE ARE CUSTOM MAPS? WHERE ARE SERVERS? WHERE ARE CUSTOM GAMEMODES?????
Suppose it just goes to show how good the fundamental gameplay loop is if Counter-Strike can persevere even with consistently shoddy releases.
CS2 has multi billion dollar company behind it, no excuse this time
10:46 memes in 2023 be like:
Good video haha
Update your milk
The main problem with unfinished cs2 is that they force you to play, you can’t play csgo which was almost perfect
Except you can. Requires a few additional steps to downgrade (basically select it as a beta) and you're good to go. Support for it is getting axed in three months, but it's still playable after.
@@gimok2k5 Maybe it is but i don’t want to, I just want to press play and play Cato
@@zbyszggo4626 Guess what?
YOU CAN!
It just involves downloading a "beta branch", which then permanently replaces CS2 with CSGO.
And if even THAT is too complicated and difficult for you, you're blatantly just complaining for the sake of you wanting to complain about something.
Considering the fact you already utterly made up that it's "impossible to play" CSGO anymore when it's not, that's already pretty clear.
About that "almost perfect" bit of yours - may I ask you a lil' question? When was the last time you've played Valve's official MM servers with a default config? When was the last time ALL OF THE COMPLAINERS played on Valve's officials while tweaking the in-game settings only instead of playing on HACKED Faceit 128 servers with your configs being all messed up? Yea, thought so. The "perfect game" you were playing on third-party services all these years was actually NOT HOW CS:GO WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED. Let that sink in for a minute, maybe you'll get the point.
@@F1stzz Not how CSGO was meant to be played but that's what the pros played and what Valve adjusted the game around lol
The title is true.
Part of the disappointment with CS2’s launch is that Valve could’ve changed that for once. Retakes, Community servers/maps, or even just demos for premier would’ve been nice
ye
nice
New update today felt like shitttttt
release CS looks neat
Sure but old cs game did not banned people for having amd card and high dpi
But hey you can chezt freely lmao
Tbh i miss CSGO so much 😢
if cs2 were its own separate game it would be perfect, I can't play cs anymore because of my old laptop not running that shit
Play 1.6 or source then?
@@vcr_official that's exactly what I'm doing but guess what: It's not the same
the only difference this time is that we cant olay global offensive while we wait for cs2 to be playable
So you're saying thousands of people are currently playing the game that is unplayable? 😂 If it's so unplayable - why won't you, lads, just boycott it & stop torturing yourself?
@@F1stzz actually im doing it, i switched to valorant while valve fixes the game
@@lesos352 good for you, m8 👌🏻
I searched for five minutes and found it easily 6:16
We need ray tracing :D
Proud p2000 user till the day i die 🔥
clicking the video just to mention you could have stopped the title at "counter strike was never good"
So you dog on CS:S by being a remake of 1.6 but with less content, but CS2 is what, exactly, if not a straight remake of CS:GO with less content? This is so vexing to me, I still don't get why people were/are excited about CS2 at all, it's the exact same game except with a different HUD and with the "jiggling keys" being a new lighting engine and smokes effects.
It's the exact same game that is on an engine that is way easier to work with, run by a company where people work on what they like and not what they are assigned to. I'm excited, because I've seen how much stuff Dota started getting when it was ported to Source 2. And because the hitreg is actually decent now, so I can finally play the game in MM.
@@ForOne814 What do you mean how much stuff Dota started getting? I've been playing Dota since 2012 and I guarantee you the Source 2 port changed absolutely nothing, in fact I'd even say the lighting got a lot worse, with less contrast and looking a lot blander overall. It took Valve until this most recent patch to finally tweak lighting and actually have casted shadows again...
@@arkaua I literally don't care about the graphics, I play on the lowest possible. I mean content. They've started producing way more content. Different kinds of content, too.
People already thinking about this:
Cs 1.5
Cs 1.6
Cs:CZ = 1.7
Cs:S = 1.8
Cs:GO = 1.9
Aaaand CS2 = 2.0
Thats why cs2 is called cs2 cuz its version 2.0 of cs :D
Y'all gotta know, CS:GO only became what people remember it as after 10 years of development since 2012. No one remembers what CS:GO was back when it first released, so people bashing CS2 for being bad on startup is a little insane. It still hasn't had that much time (considering it only released like last month), and the patches are quickly releasing and the state of the game will for sure get better with time.
M4a4 > M4a1-S, for me always.
I wouldn't mind CS2's problems as much if they didn't make it replace CSGO. It feels more like a shitty update for CSGO than it's own new game. It feels like a shitty game release because it's not a real game release. All of the guns are the same, the same balancing, the same grenades(except for the smoke), it doesn't actually feel like its own game. They could have maybe added new guns, guns have changed in the last couple of decades, but not we have to protect people's precious skins, that's the real priority, not making the best possible sequel, no it's the skins that matters.
go and play csgo from the betas tab
I mean, no, you’re wrong about retail CS. It wasn’t bad. It was incredible, even during beta. Not perfect, as you pointed out, but not bad. And it did have spectating … weird to claim it did not.
I bet this will be the mew most played and most hated game for quite while
cs2 though should of been on par with csgo when it comes to content
4:37 No, it's not disappointing. At the time people just wanted a better looking CS and for the most part that's what they got. Nobody wanted some ground breaking sequel that changes the core gameplay.
cs2 has more content than any other cs on release
It sucks cs lost content between go and 2 but the engine update was needed the source engine was showing its age hardcore and anyone that says it wasn’t is hardcore huffing that copium
The content will come back
Condition Zero still ignored soz