Fun video to make! Just for notes the bear was tuned too.. Back wall was soft and harder to be consistent with.. get out and chase it wherever you’re at! Also, slap them greasy little mits on the subscribe button!
Hey, I hope my comment didn’t upset you. It wasn’t a jab. Just an admission of reality. For us average guys, 50 yds is actually quite a long shot. We tend to compare ourselves to the top archers because they have the biggest channels. But most of us are just backyard warriors that enjoy shooting our bows.
Hi Tim. I find it's the lump of meat behind the bow that makes the difference between bows. A good archer with a cheap bow will always be better than a crap archer with an expensive bow.
I agree I know some older archers that shoot 20 year old compounds and still tag out almost every season. They might not be shooting the fastest fps but they manage to get it done with some nice bucks too
I have an RX1 and I would be interested to see this also . I have a Diamond by Bowtech that shoots good out to 50-60 yards haven’t tried past that but this video has me wanting to see fit myself now if I could .
Yeah it seem like it was a off the shelf and tuned up bow for the results. To ne almost. I feel the bear could definetly do much better with more time in on the bow with stock stuff. And even with upgrades.
@@tybowhunter8987 I mean the Hoyt is going to shine over the Bear anyway but there is a “spree decor” (the right way) to match up bows to make them equal. This is one of many reasons I don’t follow Tim or elk shape. They are fake. But that’s my opinion
@groundrootsoutdoors627 very true. A higher end bow vs a budget bow with the same attachment. The higher end will most likely do better. Then as well a bow with a bigger Brace height will be more forgiving and one with a smaller one will be faster if remember correctly. But both will definitely be enough to get someone out in the field shooting and hunting. The bigger thing us obviously the archer shooting it and how familiar they are with their equipment. Like I shoot my mathews v3 I am on target. But I change up and shoot someone's else's bow it will be different might not be far off but not as effective as one could be with it.
I have a Bear Whitetail Legend that I bought just over two years ago as I was getting back into archery after a 20 plus year break, and have now upgraded to the Hoyt Ventum a few months ago. Although the Hoyt is more consistent, there is not a significant difference in the accuracy or consistency to justify the enormous difference in cost. If you’re curious about bow hunting, do like Tim suggested, go buy a Bear RTH, then get out there and start shooting/hunting. However, I would encourage everyone to first learn proper technique, then you’ll have a great time without having to break the bank.
I got a whitetail legend pro last year, had it about a month and the string stop started biting into the bus cable. Also the cable slide was cheap plastic and started wearing on the bow string almost immediately and had to be changed out. Once I brought it into the bow shop they told me they’d have to send it back to bear to get replaced. You get what you pay for. I used store credit and got a Ventum pro 30 and it has been well worth the price. One thing I’ve learned I’ve the years is, buy once cry once. If you skimp out on quality for price, you will regret it if it’s something you actually want to get into.
I started with a Bow Legit RTH. Love that bow. Upgraded to a Hoyt after my skill justified the investment (started taking archery religiously). It’s a lot like golf. There comes a point where the equipment will help amplify skill, but won’t create it. Whatever you have, just keep slinging ‘em!!
I've bow hunted over 40 years, started with wooden arrows and a Bear recurve. I've had several Hoyt bows and PSE bows. Last new Hoyt i bought was a Defiant turbo , it shot 316 thru the chrono, then the PSE Evo came out. I heard all the hype so shot one. Fell in love ❤️ i immediately bought the Evo and sold my Hoyt. Evo shot 333 thru chronograph with 400 gr arrows that is the same as I always shoot. I buy bare bows and set them up how i want with QAD rest and HHA sights. You don't need an expensive bow to shoot any game in North America. I had a Bear RTH bow and it shot as good as any bow out there. Accuracy is in the shooter. Upgrade your rest and sights and any bow will kill and most newer bows mad will shoot plenty fast enough and you don't need 500 gr arrows for a deer. Biggest thing is practice practice practice!!! Every day if you only shoot 5 arrows a day shoot your bow !!!
Which bear RTH bow do you recommend that’s under $600? Is it really ready to hunt straight out of the box or does it need tuned and adjusted before hand? This would be my first bow.
@greeneyesfromohio4103 I had the Bear cruze, I don't know what's available now but Bear, PSE, AND Bass Pro shops sell a Blackout bow package that I got my wife that was nice. If you have a Bass Pro or Cabelas by you they can help you out or you can order one and have your local archery shop set it up or see what they have? Mission is a Mathews bow but cheaper and ready to hunt package. Biggest thing is don't over bow yourself, have it set up perfect and practice every day. Even if you only sling 5 arrows a night it's muscle memory and it really helps you. Good luck 👍
@@SuperDave-pe1zw - good advice, like I said I’m a complete newbie at bows but have always wanted to get into it. So let me ask you, what do you know about traditional archery? I almost find longbows and recurves more appealing then a compound bow. Cheaper in price too. I would almost guarantee it would be more satisfying taking game with it over a compound in my opinion. Any traditional bow brands you recommend I know bear sells some.
@greeneyesfromohio4103 I'm not up to date on any of that. The easiest thing to do is go to a Archery shop and talk to them. It would be easier to me to get a ready to hunt compound bow with sights and peep. You can always upgrade as you go. Or get a crossbow if you really want to hunt. Any bow you have to practice practice practice practice and practice... lol. Good luck 👍
@@TimConnor13 has that video been made yet? The Bear will still be cheaper, it would be interesting to see how far the performance gap is closed with better accessories.
Interesting video. I've been bowhunting for for 44 yrs, and I've NEVER paid more than $350.00 for a bow. I've taken over 100 deer with what U guys call cheap bows. The difference is that I rarely ever shoot a deer over 15 yards. I've always gotten extremely close. I'm now interested in elk hunting, so I need to increase my distance shooting drastically. I'm grateful for Ur information here about the 2 bows and Ur confidence of the distance of both. Most deer that I've taken were point blank to 15 yds. Only shot a few beyond 25 yds.
I have hunted with many bows over the years, I currently have a limbsaver dz-32 but I bought a diamond edge sb1 new around $300 as a backup now I use it as my primary and have taken 3 bulls with it in the last 4 years.
Nice comment, what kind of “cheap bows” did you mainly use and like? Also, since you were mostly taking shots on deer within 15 yards how were you setup? Tree stand? On the ground? Thanks!
There was something peaceful of watching this. I don't know why, but there's something satisfying about listening to different types and learning their strengths/weaknesses. Cheers for the video!
Let’s see a review of the Hoyt Tim! Loved this video. It gives other people a perspective that you don’t need to buy a bare bow at $1000 or more just to get into Archery. Keep it up man!
I'm 3:00 min into this video right now. I literally tried both of these bows back in April '23 and went with the VTM 34. Please don't make me regret it by the end of the video. Lol! And now 13:00 min into the video, I definitely don't regret it! As you said the Bear is a great introductory bow. Asked my local pro shop guys if more expensive bows are worth it. They didn't try to upsell me; just said they see a lot of guys come in and get an introductory bow and quickly "outgrow" it once they get some good experience in and they end up buying the next bow up the price line. I didn't want to have to buy a second time and upsold myself. It's been fun the last few months shooting targets and tournaments with my boy who has been at it for 3+ yrs already, but we need to get out hunting. Its funny, when I tried the Bear the tube kept pulling free too.
I love my adapt. I've got it set up...weird. Old school whisker biscuit, no peep, ezv sight, no string dampers. 630 grain arrow going 240 fps. It will shoot through two moose and keep on going. I love how set and forget it is. No mechanical things to fail in the field.
Owned a more budget friendly bow when I was getting started. Focused on upgrading the components on it which made it a great shooting bow. Then moved those components over to my current bow. Was much more enjoyable shooting than going out & buying a flagship but putting low quality components on it.
Absolutely love this video! 🔥 I bought a Bear Legit RTH last year for $450 then bought a Bear Alaskan this year for $599 and spent that much again in a sight and rest for it. I would love to buy a flagship from Matthews, PSE, or Hoyt but this mid-priced bow with higher quality accessories has been the jackpot for me. You’re absolutely right, Tim, about getting out in the field and shooting. That’s what will really get you to the point where you can be accurate and successful with any bow you pick up. Great content! 👏🏼
Get an Elite Era, spend the $1400, prob $2k after fully setting it up, and never buy another bow again. Will die with this bow. Won’t need another ever again. Forest green. Couldn’t pass up. Shot probably 100 bows. Only the Bowtech carbon one came close imo.
My 2005 Bowtech Allegiance allowed me some of the best groupings I have ever had, but I fell into the "Newer is better" trap and bought a newer one only to find out that I couldn't get the same groupings with it as I did my old one. Downfall is I sold the Allegiance and it is long gone. I would have went back to it in a heartbeat
Definitely a good video to put it in perspective on what you get at different price points. The bear is definitely a great starter bow to get in the field. Well it’s actually a pretty good bow period.
If he would have actually sighted in bear it would have shot same look at where all 3 arrows hit.looked like only difference to me was speed and feel.i had a bear and it was awkward. Set point had no room for movement but honestly it shot great . My Mathews only uses 1 pin for 20 and 30 with half inch difference. The bear had little over inch. Just things I noticed.
@@Stars_luvyouya my bear pursuit can stack them on the bullseye all day. At 65lb pull the top pin shoots about flat to 35yards. … hits like 2” hi at 15yards and 2” low at 35 yards w top pin it’s mint
If I had a bear adapt and I was going to upgrade one thing on the bow to shoot longer distances, I would probably upgrade the rest. Good comparisons Tim, and I think you provided some good consumer advice in this video.
I almost bought an Adapt, but I shot a PSE Evo EVL. I was pre approved with the boss (wife) . Get what I wanted so I decided to spend some money lol. That Evo is the fastest thing I have ever shot and it makes it very forgiving for my quirks. I can't say how the Adapt was because I couldn't put the PSE down . Great video Tim! If I need a backup bow. I would go Adapt for the bang for your buck. 270 with 450 grain is smoking in my opinion.
You are gaining quite the collection my guy!! 😎 love how you highlighted the “made in USA”… it’s so special to me to look down and see that in the woods, gets me going!! ❤️🇺🇸
First timer here. Bought the Bear. A few months ago. Been practicing at least once a week. Had it set up right.. Learned proper technique . Been shooting 10 and 8's pretty consistently out to 40. Haven't shot passed that yet and I've never shot anything else. So i have nothing to compare it too. My rubber has broke twice. Bought my ten year old a Bear composite bow he's doing great out to 20
I have a Hoyt Ventum 33 and a PSE Stinger Max. Came to the same conclusion you did. The stinger max is a great bow to about 60 yards set up how I like it (new strings, rest and stabilizers) the Hoyt is just a better shooting experience overall
bro I can shoot any bow, the best thing you can do is practice and shoot a lot and be confident in your ability, people shoot better with expensive bows because they believe they will. I have shot everything and my favorite is my Creed XS, i am still using that and a TRX40 and a PSE33, that PSE33 is the smoothest bow I ever touched.
I have a Bear Species and swapped the connected peep. I like the standard peep, but the single cam has the penchant to twist and move my peep around, which is annoying as hell.
This was more about the shooter than the bow. I have a Bear Encounter either a drop away and a a truglo single pin and it shoots every bit as accurate as my hoyt carbon spyder. The only difference is the speed at 313fps vs. 350fps ibo. I've shot both of these bows in long range 3d courses out to 120 yards. The issue was the shooter in this video, 15" groups at 50 yards is something I've only seen with beginners. Furthermore, the draw cycle on a single cam bow is one of the smoothest cycles you can get, don't hesitate to buy a Bear bow and trick it out.
Is that the Adapt + or standard Adapt? Looks like the upgraded +. Either way, I get that you were shooting the Bear as it comes. But, as you did mention that you would put a better stabilizer on it, and add a back bar, it would have been nice if you had swapped those parts from the Hoyt to the Bear so we were more closely comparing the bows rather than the added accessories. Just curious of how well a "dressed up" Adapt would do against a $$$$ premium bow setup.
😎ool vid! I guess the difference is like driving a hoopdy versus a well tuned sports car. They both get you where your headed but one just feels better all around! It’s kinda what you can afford. Whatever, just do it! Must be nice, to be able to shoot in decent weather! It’s still hot and miserable here in the Deep South! Next time, add the upgrades you spoke of as someone might do later after a budget purchase, tune it to Josh’s standards and then compare them again. Then someone with limited funds could decide from there! Maybe MFJJ (Bear) vs Timbo (Hoyt)?!?!
Rushed to the comments to read the bashing about the shooting lol. I currently own a hoyt . It is a older bow and i honestly was thinking on buying a bear adapt 2 plus bow. I will say this video and your shooting didnt sway my opinion any lmao i would say one cant blame the bows for the arrow placement lol but appreciate the video .
Good video man. So, I just got an Adapt 1.0 not the plus, this July. I had custom strings put on it, got rid of the tube peep, dumped the TR sight for a CBE Tactic Micro 5 pin, left the TR V biscuit rest on it, put a TR 8” hitman stabilizer on it, and installed the cam stop, so nothin crazy. All still budget friendly upgrades. I have been practicing a lot with it and I can really stack em in there with it. I have a video on my IG shooting at 50 yards getting really a decent group(s) at a target about the size of a playing card, and that was after a lot of shooting that day and it was hot as hell and I was pretty fatigued, I have gotten even better groups at that range with it, arrows touching. I would mot hesitate to go to 60, 70, 80 and beyond with this bow, I, just max out at 50 at home. Anyway, with practice and form you can drop dimes with this bow. Thanks for the vid ✌️🇺🇸
I liked this. I want to see a build where you take a "good bones" bow, and accessorize it till its competing with the Hoyt. So, relatively budget bow, then upgrade accessories to where it gets much more accurate and whatnot, maybe to the point it even competes woth that Hoyt.
With the Bear and any bow the longer you shoot it the better you will shoot better. They all have different grip, valley, and hold. To get in to archery they all are a machine that will get you in at all price points.
I once met a pro golfer who informed me it didnt matter the equipment for the average Joe. He proved his point by exchanging his clubs with me and still cleaned my ass. I believe the same could be said for Archery. Form rules, not equipment for the average shooter!!!!!!!!!!
Bought a Bear Epic Extreme for $300 nearly 20 years ago that still shoots great even out to 60 with the limiting factor being me. With a whisker rest and no stabilizer I can touch arrows fairly consistently. Anything over $1000 feels more like ego flexing your pocketbook than anything else, particularly during a recession with super high inflation that might actually be a depression if the numbers weren’t being finessed.
Gday mate, I own the Bear paradox which is virtually the same as the adapt. I set it up with my target gear, sight, scope, stabilisers, I shot the same score with it as I do the PSE Supra out to 50 metres.
Would like to see a speed/trajectory test. Two bows with different speeds, same weight arrow, fired at various hunting ranges and the arrow drop for each range recorded. 20, 30, 40, 50 yds. Use a hooter shooter to assure even and fair accuracy between the two and eliminate human error.
Great vid, need more of this. How much to make the Bear better? As carbon flagships reach almost $2000 for a bare bow, a Bear bow might be better at some point! Take a flagship carbon bow, add high end string at setup, do the QAD, Tightspot, Stingers with offsets and kick back mounts and an HHA, your over $3000 with a dozen arrows. What do you gain? Real question! $3000 vs $1000 build off. "The best" vs "good enough!"🤔
I got a bear adapt and it really is a great bow for the price. I shot 2.5 inch groups at 40 yards. I upgraded the peep and got a kiss on it and with 350 grain it shoots great. I used to shoot 400 but i wanted some more weight when hunting but either are more then fire.
So back in the 90's I was an avid bow hunter and hunted a lot, been out of it for a while due to a bad right shoulder, my last compound bow i bought was an Indian Archery Impact plus I think I bought it for like 250.00 in 1990, took about 8 deer with it before my shoulder decided it had seen enough. I think Its healed enough now where as long as I keep the draw Weight down I can probably shoot again, I was just looking at that Bear bow today, and the Black out Epic NT, I used to shoot 68lbs but I think if I keep it down to 60 or so with today's let offs I may be ok! Nice comparison video, it gives a different perspective!
@@greeneyesfromohio4103 Yes mainly increased speed and the ability to shoot a heavier grain arrow efficiently. I am not sure how much the minimum poundage is i believe its 40# for deer hunting but you definitely should shoot as many pounds as you can comfortably.
Im a decent shot and was looking for a cheap hunting bow a few years back. Saw a $250 twin cam Diamond @ #65 with a 8"+ brace height amd 29" draw hanging on the used rack at the old bow shop one day. I put on an aluminum Octane rest, pops' old cobra sight and, well... it shoots. It even came with a slide on quiver. Needs new cables now though.
Interesting comparison. My suspicion would be if that junky brush rest on the Bear went in the trash and a (decent) drop away were installed, it would have been a closer race out past 40.
I love a Bear bow. Never had an issue with any of them. I started low price point for all the reasons suggested, as my archery improved, so my did my equipment. I still shot a Fred Bear, I'm still the limiting factor 😅
Hey Tim! Great video! I'm trying to find out the name of the rap song that starts at 0:37. The lyrics go something like 'I'm walking on top of the ceilings, I ain't scare of the heights...' Would really appreciate if you could share the track info!
Nice review. Obviously not apples to apples , but you make a great point about get a bow and go shoot it. It’s like golf… get some clubs and go hit them. I do have a question….how many bows have you set up this year? 3-4-5? A guy has to know!😊
Liked the video. I got a Bear to get myself back into Archery and yes, it is real good for that so if all goes well I’ll shop for the long termer. What target block were you using in the parking lot??
Bought this as my first bow! Didn’t know jack shit about archery let alone hunting. I love it. Definitely can agree with getting a better peep sight. It’s a bang for buck bow.
Hoyt makes a darn good bow. I don't know crap, but my buddy has one. I could hit bullseyes at 30 yards in the first 2 shots I ever took. 60 lb draw, compound like these. Couldn't be easier to use. Line up the sights and its darn near arrow on arrow at 30 yards which as a shotgun turkey hunter, is about as far as I'd like to shoot. The bow is quiet and the let off/ back wall make it very usable for hunting. Always wondered how the bow hunters did it, glad I got to shoot a good one and see first hand just how capable these modern compound bows are. Even the old school stuff is incredible in the right hands. Cheers
The bow you shoot the best is the best bow. Have strings and cables that hold a tune and invest in a good rest I'd say are your two best purchases. Engineering is well enough caught up these days across the board of manufacturerers
The concept of getting people to get what they can afford to get out is great. I also read the bear was tuned but I’d admit I don’t think to the level the Hoyt is. I think a better video would be to have a 6 month in bear adapt owner and you go head to head. Just my humble opinion
Love the video! Let me ask you this, how much “experience” was used in the tests? I mean, I’ve only been shooting archery for 1yr. I don’t think either one of the bows would matter. :)
Dammit now Im curious and want to tinker! Is it actually the bow or the accessories? Would a drop away tighten up the groups? Stabs? Thanks for taking the time to do this. I feel like the VTM didnt get the love it deserves this year. it's fast as hell and is a shooter. I want one!
Chris Bee did a video like this and he shot way better with his budget bow, sometimes he shot better with it then his high end bow, pretty sure he won a TAC truck using a budget bow as well in one of his videos
Your arm is wandering all over the place ,I'll stick with my ancient Bear polar from the late 1950's I belive at 81 the old memory is sometimes is resting in the forest . Happy Trails
Swap the sights on the two bows. I bet that you would get different results. The old rule is to spend more on the accessories than on the bow. The sight on your Hoyt costs as much as the total cost of the Bear. It's not a fair test.
The wisker biscuit is no good you'll need to change it before you need to buy your second dozen arrows. I have QAD hunter. Also needed to change out the quiver for a more centered look on the bow and tighter fit for 5 and 4mm arrows. Oh, you'll also definitely need to change strings. The factory one ware out fast .After that, this thing is solid. You can see mine in my shorts.
My pops shoots a 400 dollar Bear rth setup from Bass Pro and I shoot a Hoyt. His grouping is tight and he’s comfortable with the bow. A good bow will enhance your skill but it won’t create it that’s for sure . Still takes slinging a lot of arrows and practice
Law of diminishing returns applies in this case. So maybe longevity? At the distance that most people harvest, these 2 bows are going to be marginally different in producing the same outcome.
In leaning towards getting the adapt next year can't beat the price for the quality and brand new depending where u can pick up adapt anywhere from 450 to 600 good choice if your not made of money but want a respectable bow shooting an older hoyt now but will hang it up as back up after this year
Fun video to make! Just for notes the bear was tuned too.. Back wall was soft and harder to be consistent with.. get out and chase it wherever you’re at! Also, slap them greasy little mits on the subscribe button!
Should have switched to the limb stop on the adapt. It has that option
Yea limb stop is the deal for sure
Do the Elk Shape sideplates fit your Hoyt?
Bear bows come with a limb stop in the box for the more steady back wall for those who prefer it
Hey, I hope my comment didn’t upset you. It wasn’t a jab. Just an admission of reality. For us average guys, 50 yds is actually quite a long shot. We tend to compare ourselves to the top archers because they have the biggest channels. But most of us are just backyard warriors that enjoy shooting our bows.
Hi Tim. I find it's the lump of meat behind the bow that makes the difference between bows. A good archer with a cheap bow will always be better than a crap archer with an expensive bow.
Facts
I'm not sure that I appreciate being called a lump of meat . I mean it's accurate, I just don't like it.
I agree I know some older archers that shoot 20 year old compounds and still tag out almost every season. They might not be shooting the fastest fps but they manage to get it done with some nice bucks too
On the other hand, a good archer with a good bow is better than the same archer with a cheap bow. The question is, how much?
But that's true for most things, isn't it? A high quality rig can make a good shot better, but it can't make a bad shot good.
Glad to see I’m not the only guy on TH-cam who sucks shooting my bow 😂 Thanks for keeping it real.
I definitely assumed that he would be a better shot....
Ahahaha savage.
Now we know what a mediocre bow shooter can do with a budget vs expensive bow. 😂
I think you guys are being a bit harsh.
I gotta challenge for you. Upgrade the bear with everything you have on the Hoyt and see what happens
Noted!
I have an RX1 and I would be interested to see this also . I have a Diamond by Bowtech that shoots good out to 50-60 yards haven’t tried past that but this video has me wanting to see fit myself now if I could .
Yeah it seem like it was a off the shelf and tuned up bow for the results. To ne almost. I feel the bear could definetly do much better with more time in on the bow with stock stuff. And even with upgrades.
@@tybowhunter8987 I mean the Hoyt is going to shine over the Bear anyway but there is a “spree decor” (the right way) to match up bows to make them equal. This is one of many reasons I don’t follow Tim or elk shape. They are fake. But that’s my opinion
@groundrootsoutdoors627 very true. A higher end bow vs a budget bow with the same attachment. The higher end will most likely do better. Then as well a bow with a bigger Brace height will be more forgiving and one with a smaller one will be faster if remember correctly. But both will definitely be enough to get someone out in the field shooting and hunting. The bigger thing us obviously the archer shooting it and how familiar they are with their equipment. Like I shoot my mathews v3 I am on target. But I change up and shoot someone's else's bow it will be different might not be far off but not as effective as one could be with it.
I have a Bear Whitetail Legend that I bought just over two years ago as I was getting back into archery after a 20 plus year break, and have now upgraded to the Hoyt Ventum a few months ago. Although the Hoyt is more consistent, there is not a significant difference in the accuracy or consistency to justify the enormous difference in cost. If you’re curious about bow hunting, do like Tim suggested, go buy a Bear RTH, then get out there and start shooting/hunting. However, I would encourage everyone to first learn proper technique, then you’ll have a great time without having to break the bank.
I got a whitetail legend pro last year, had it about a month and the string stop started biting into the bus cable. Also the cable slide was cheap plastic and started wearing on the bow string almost immediately and had to be changed out. Once I brought it into the bow shop they told me they’d have to send it back to bear to get replaced. You get what you pay for. I used store credit and got a Ventum pro 30 and it has been well worth the price. One thing I’ve learned I’ve the years is, buy once cry once. If you skimp out on quality for price, you will regret it if it’s something you actually want to get into.
I would suggest just shooting a bunch of bows and pick what you like best.
I started with a Bow Legit RTH. Love that bow. Upgraded to a Hoyt after my skill justified the investment (started taking archery religiously). It’s a lot like golf. There comes a point where the equipment will help amplify skill, but won’t create it. Whatever you have, just keep slinging ‘em!!
@@Lycurgus47I have a Bear Epic Extreme that is around 20 years old and I’ve only replaced string and cables.
@@knotengajin7359 I’ve heard the old bear bows are amazing. The new ones have quality control issues
I've bow hunted over 40 years, started with wooden arrows and a Bear recurve. I've had several Hoyt bows and PSE bows. Last new Hoyt i bought was a Defiant turbo , it shot 316 thru the chrono, then the PSE Evo came out. I heard all the hype so shot one. Fell in love ❤️ i immediately bought the Evo and sold my Hoyt. Evo shot 333 thru chronograph with 400 gr arrows that is the same as I always shoot. I buy bare bows and set them up how i want with QAD rest and HHA sights. You don't need an expensive bow to shoot any game in North America. I had a Bear RTH bow and it shot as good as any bow out there. Accuracy is in the shooter. Upgrade your rest and sights and any bow will kill and most newer bows mad will shoot plenty fast enough and you don't need 500 gr arrows for a deer. Biggest thing is practice practice practice!!! Every day if you only shoot 5 arrows a day shoot your bow !!!
Which bear RTH bow do you recommend that’s under $600? Is it really ready to hunt straight out of the box or does it need tuned and adjusted before hand? This would be my first bow.
@greeneyesfromohio4103 I had the Bear cruze, I don't know what's available now but Bear, PSE, AND Bass Pro shops sell a Blackout bow package that I got my wife that was nice. If you have a Bass Pro or Cabelas by you they can help you out or you can order one and have your local archery shop set it up or see what they have? Mission is a Mathews bow but cheaper and ready to hunt package. Biggest thing is don't over bow yourself, have it set up perfect and practice every day. Even if you only sling 5 arrows a night it's muscle memory and it really helps you. Good luck 👍
@@SuperDave-pe1zw - good advice, like I said I’m a complete newbie at bows but have always wanted to get into it. So let me ask you, what do you know about traditional archery? I almost find longbows and recurves more appealing then a compound bow. Cheaper in price too. I would almost guarantee it would be more satisfying taking game with it over a compound in my opinion. Any traditional bow brands you recommend I know bear sells some.
@greeneyesfromohio4103 I'm not up to date on any of that. The easiest thing to do is go to a Archery shop and talk to them. It would be easier to me to get a ready to hunt compound bow with sights and peep. You can always upgrade as you go. Or get a crossbow if you really want to hunt. Any bow you have to practice practice practice practice and practice... lol. Good luck 👍
@@greeneyesfromohio4103the bear blackout pursuit is my first bow and after 3 years with it, I love it. Needed to put on a drop rest and gas string
Love to see you fully rig out the adapt with land slide and long bars and qad rest.
Noted!
You’d be way better off doing that than buying a flagship and sticking a biscuit on it
That brings to mind the saying "putting lipstick on a pig"
@@XJ550CAFE it’s better to put lipstick on a pig than buy a flagship and not be able to afford decent accessories
@@TimConnor13 has that video been made yet? The Bear will still be cheaper, it would be interesting to see how far the performance gap is closed with better accessories.
Cool bow! But I've outshot archers with $1000+ bows with my $300 Parker bow in competition. It all comes down to the archer.
Great presentation. Casual, informative and moves along without the usual filler.
Interesting video. I've been bowhunting for for 44 yrs, and I've NEVER paid more than $350.00 for a bow. I've taken over 100 deer with what U guys call cheap bows. The difference is that I rarely ever shoot a deer over 15 yards. I've always gotten extremely close. I'm now interested in elk hunting, so I need to increase my distance shooting drastically. I'm grateful for Ur information here about the 2 bows and Ur confidence of the distance of both. Most deer that I've taken were point blank to 15 yds. Only shot a few beyond 25 yds.
I have hunted with many bows over the years, I currently have a limbsaver dz-32 but I bought a diamond edge sb1 new around $300 as a backup now I use it as my primary and have taken 3 bulls with it in the last 4 years.
Nice comment, what kind of “cheap bows” did you mainly use and like? Also, since you were mostly taking shots on deer within 15 yards how were you setup? Tree stand? On the ground? Thanks!
There was something peaceful of watching this. I don't know why, but there's something satisfying about listening to different types and learning their strengths/weaknesses.
Cheers for the video!
Let’s see a review of the Hoyt Tim! Loved this video. It gives other people a perspective that you don’t need to buy a bare bow at $1000 or more just to get into Archery. Keep it up man!
Thanks my dude!
@@TimConnor13what is the name of the music at 0:57
I can promise you that there’s not a bow on the market that’s going to make you more successful harvesting an Animal.
Fred bear didn’t have a compound bow and he killed everything
Which bow?
@TheDilweedDefine better. I have two different Bear compounds, one that cost $300 20 years ago, and I can touch arrows as a totally average archer.
Absolutely. Nothing compares to the amount of time invested in learning the equipment, developing good technique, and studying your quarry.
Facts
I'm 3:00 min into this video right now. I literally tried both of these bows back in April '23 and went with the VTM 34. Please don't make me regret it by the end of the video. Lol!
And now 13:00 min into the video, I definitely don't regret it! As you said the Bear is a great introductory bow. Asked my local pro shop guys if more expensive bows are worth it. They didn't try to upsell me; just said they see a lot of guys come in and get an introductory bow and quickly "outgrow" it once they get some good experience in and they end up buying the next bow up the price line. I didn't want to have to buy a second time and upsold myself. It's been fun the last few months shooting targets and tournaments with my boy who has been at it for 3+ yrs already, but we need to get out hunting. Its funny, when I tried the Bear the tube kept pulling free too.
I love my adapt. I've got it set up...weird. Old school whisker biscuit, no peep, ezv sight, no string dampers. 630 grain arrow going 240 fps. It will shoot through two moose and keep on going. I love how set and forget it is. No mechanical things to fail in the field.
Awesome video!! We need more archers for sure. Especially with the NASP program in jeopardy.
Owned a more budget friendly bow when I was getting started. Focused on upgrading the components on it which made it a great shooting bow. Then moved those components over to my current bow. Was much more enjoyable shooting than going out & buying a flagship but putting low quality components on it.
Absolutely love this video! 🔥 I bought a Bear Legit RTH last year for $450 then bought a Bear Alaskan this year for $599 and spent that much again in a sight and rest for it. I would love to buy a flagship from Matthews, PSE, or Hoyt but this mid-priced bow with higher quality accessories has been the jackpot for me. You’re absolutely right, Tim, about getting out in the field and shooting. That’s what will really get you to the point where you can be accurate and successful with any bow you pick up. Great content! 👏🏼
Get an Elite Era, spend the $1400, prob $2k after fully setting it up, and never buy another bow again. Will die with this bow. Won’t need another ever again. Forest green. Couldn’t pass up. Shot probably 100 bows. Only the Bowtech carbon one came close imo.
Nothing wrong woth a well set up bear..its the person more than the gear.@jacobmcvay123
My 2005 Bowtech Allegiance allowed me some of the best groupings I have ever had, but I fell into the "Newer is better" trap and bought a newer one only to find out that I couldn't get the same groupings with it as I did my old one. Downfall is I sold the Allegiance and it is long gone. I would have went back to it in a heartbeat
Definitely a good video to put it in perspective on what you get at different price points. The bear is definitely a great starter bow to get in the field. Well it’s actually a pretty good bow period.
If he would have actually sighted in bear it would have shot same look at where all 3 arrows hit.looked like only difference to me was speed and feel.i had a bear and it was awkward. Set point had no room for movement but honestly it shot great . My Mathews only uses 1 pin for 20 and 30 with half inch difference. The bear had little over inch. Just things I noticed.
@@Stars_luvyouya my bear pursuit can stack them on the bullseye all day. At 65lb pull the top pin shoots about flat to 35yards. … hits like 2” hi at 15yards and 2” low at 35 yards w top pin it’s mint
If I had a bear adapt and I was going to upgrade one thing on the bow to shoot longer distances, I would probably upgrade the rest. Good comparisons Tim, and I think you provided some good consumer advice in this video.
I almost bought an Adapt, but I shot a PSE Evo EVL. I was pre approved with the boss (wife) . Get what I wanted so I decided to spend some money lol. That Evo is the fastest thing I have ever shot and it makes it very forgiving for my quirks. I can't say how the Adapt was because I couldn't put the PSE down . Great video Tim! If I need a backup bow. I would go Adapt for the bang for your buck. 270 with 450 grain is smoking in my opinion.
It’d be way closer if you had the same sight, rest, and stabilizer on the Bear that you have on the Hoyt. Accessories make a big difference.
But then it's not a 600 dollar bow
@@jonasoutdoorsexactly
Definitely would love a full review of the VTM!
Noted!
@TimConnor13 what is your arrow weight and draw poundage for your Hoyt?
That Bear Adapt is a great bow for the money , I've set up quite a few of them in my shop and everyone loves them. Great little hunting rig
Thoughts on the adapt vs resurgence?
Is the bear bow small?
You are gaining quite the collection my guy!! 😎 love how you highlighted the “made in USA”… it’s so special to me to look down and see that in the woods, gets me going!! ❤️🇺🇸
I love it too
First timer here. Bought the Bear. A few months ago. Been practicing at least once a week. Had it set up right.. Learned proper technique . Been shooting 10 and 8's pretty consistently out to 40. Haven't shot passed that yet and I've never shot anything else. So i have nothing to compare it too. My rubber has broke twice. Bought my ten year old a Bear composite bow he's doing great out to 20
Some fine shooting at 55 yards. Myself I can't shoot that many without fatigue affecting my shots. Bravo!!
I have a Hoyt Ventum 33 and a PSE Stinger Max. Came to the same conclusion you did. The stinger max is a great bow to about 60 yards set up how I like it (new strings, rest and stabilizers) the Hoyt is just a better shooting experience overall
Yeah that’s a very fair assessment.. flagships are tough to beat at range
This is a great video and it is honestly the most honest test I have seen.
bro I can shoot any bow, the best thing you can do is practice and shoot a lot and be confident in your ability, people shoot better with expensive bows because they believe they will. I have shot everything and my favorite is my Creed XS, i am still using that and a TRX40 and a PSE33, that PSE33 is the smoothest bow I ever touched.
Get to 100k! 😂 I need an excuse to take my first trip to the CDA/Spokane area.
Loving the content and style.
It’s the rubber tubing on the peep for me. I just can’t get over it. And there’s no logical reason for it 😂
Lol it’s the easy button for peep alignment.. but yeah it’s kind of hokie
It's just not needed these days, first thing that I would swap out.
On a single cam bow the string is extremely long. On a budget bow with a budget string. The rubber tube is a budget way to keep the peep aligned.
@@malcolmjohnson5941 I aint mad it. I get why they are doing it. I just don’t like it lol
I have a Bear Species and swapped the connected peep. I like the standard peep, but the single cam has the penchant to twist and move my peep around, which is annoying as hell.
This was more about the shooter than the bow. I have a Bear Encounter either a drop away and a a truglo single pin and it shoots every bit as accurate as my hoyt carbon spyder. The only difference is the speed at 313fps vs. 350fps ibo. I've shot both of these bows in long range 3d courses out to 120 yards. The issue was the shooter in this video, 15" groups at 50 yards is something I've only seen with beginners. Furthermore, the draw cycle on a single cam bow is one of the smoothest cycles you can get, don't hesitate to buy a Bear bow and trick it out.
It’s not a $650 bow then and that’s the point
For this to really be a fair test of two bows, both bows should have been outfitted with the same accessories.
Absolutely
Is that the Adapt + or standard Adapt? Looks like the upgraded +. Either way, I get that you were shooting the Bear as it comes. But, as you did mention that you would put a better stabilizer on it, and add a back bar, it would have been nice if you had swapped those parts from the Hoyt to the Bear so we were more closely comparing the bows rather than the added accessories. Just curious of how well a "dressed up" Adapt would do against a $$$$ premium bow setup.
😎ool vid!
I guess the difference is like driving a hoopdy versus a well tuned sports car. They both get you where your headed but one just feels better all around!
It’s kinda what you can afford. Whatever, just do it!
Must be nice, to be able to shoot in decent weather! It’s still hot and miserable here in the Deep South!
Next time, add the upgrades you spoke of as someone might do later after a budget purchase, tune it to Josh’s standards and then compare them again.
Then someone with limited funds could decide from there!
Maybe MFJJ (Bear) vs Timbo (Hoyt)?!?!
Thanks dude! See if mfjj wants the smoke
Timmy, dude! Love the vids. It's really cool making videos like this. Keep em coming.
From Indiana
Rushed to the comments to read the bashing about the shooting lol. I currently own a hoyt . It is a older bow and i honestly was thinking on buying a bear adapt 2 plus bow. I will say this video and your shooting didnt sway my opinion any lmao i would say one cant blame the bows for the arrow placement lol but appreciate the video .
Que opinas del pse drive nxt para la caza ?
Good video man. So, I just got an Adapt 1.0 not the plus, this July. I had custom strings put on it, got rid of the tube peep, dumped the TR sight for a CBE Tactic Micro 5 pin, left the TR V biscuit rest on it, put a TR 8” hitman stabilizer on it, and installed the cam stop, so nothin crazy. All still budget friendly upgrades. I have been practicing a lot with it and I can really stack em in there with it.
I have a video on my IG shooting at 50 yards getting really a decent group(s) at a target about the size of a playing card, and that was after a lot of shooting that day and it was hot as hell and I was pretty fatigued, I have gotten even better groups at that range with it, arrows touching. I would mot hesitate to go to 60, 70, 80 and beyond with this bow, I, just max out at 50 at home. Anyway, with practice and form you can drop dimes with this bow. Thanks for the vid ✌️🇺🇸
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Great video and super chill! Thanks!
I have the original adapt and love it. It got me to dive into the rabbit hole of bow hunting
I’m a flagship guy. But it would be cool to see if that bow would improve with better accessories.
It would definitely perform better.
Noted!!
I liked this.
I want to see a build where you take a "good bones" bow, and accessorize it till its competing with the Hoyt. So, relatively budget bow, then upgrade accessories to where it gets much more accurate and whatnot, maybe to the point it even competes woth that Hoyt.
With the Bear and any bow the longer you shoot it the better you will shoot better. They all have different grip, valley, and hold. To get in to archery they all are a machine that will get you in at all price points.
Facts
I once met a pro golfer who informed me it didnt matter the equipment for the average Joe. He proved his point by exchanging his clubs with me and still cleaned my ass. I believe the same could be said for Archery. Form rules, not equipment for the average shooter!!!!!!!!!!
Bought a Bear Epic Extreme for $300 nearly 20 years ago that still shoots great even out to 60 with the limiting factor being me. With a whisker rest and no stabilizer I can touch arrows fairly consistently. Anything over $1000 feels more like ego flexing your pocketbook than anything else, particularly during a recession with super high inflation that might actually be a depression if the numbers weren’t being finessed.
Really liked this video. Got me to subscribe. I'm not the best long range either but your honest and I really respect that Tim.
Love seeing you rock a Hoyt Tim! Finally moved to the light (Hoyt) and away from the darkside (Mathews).
wouldn't mind more of these comparison vids
Cool video ! Do the upgrades and make a video about it to see the difference from stock.
Good idea
As soon as I saw the blue monster, I was hooked.
Gday mate, I own the Bear paradox which is virtually the same as the adapt. I set it up with my target gear, sight, scope, stabilisers, I shot the same score with it as I do the PSE Supra out to 50 metres.
Would like to see a speed/trajectory test. Two bows with different speeds, same weight arrow, fired at various hunting ranges and the arrow drop for each range recorded. 20, 30, 40, 50 yds. Use a hooter shooter to assure even and fair accuracy between the two and eliminate human error.
Shenanigans! Shenanigans! I see those holes appearing and disappearing
Great vid, need more of this. How much to make the Bear better? As carbon flagships reach almost $2000 for a bare bow, a Bear bow might be better at some point! Take a flagship carbon bow, add high end string at setup, do the QAD, Tightspot, Stingers with offsets and kick back mounts and an HHA, your over $3000 with a dozen arrows. What do you gain? Real question! $3000 vs $1000 build off. "The best" vs "good enough!"🤔
Definitely make a hoyt vtm review! Especially with that battleworn finish!
I got a bear adapt and it really is a great bow for the price. I shot 2.5 inch groups at 40 yards. I upgraded the peep and got a kiss on it and with 350 grain it shoots great. I used to shoot 400 but i wanted some more weight when hunting but either are more then fire.
So back in the 90's I was an avid bow hunter and hunted a lot, been out of it for a while due to a bad right shoulder, my last compound bow i bought was an Indian Archery Impact plus I think I bought it for like 250.00 in 1990, took about 8 deer with it before my shoulder decided it had seen enough.
I think Its healed enough now where as long as I keep the draw Weight down I can probably shoot again, I was just looking at that Bear bow today, and the Black out Epic NT, I used to shoot 68lbs but I think if I keep it down to 60 or so with today's let offs I may be ok! Nice comparison video, it gives a different perspective!
Don’t you only need 45# draw weight to hunt deer? What does increased draw weight do? Shoot faster.
@@greeneyesfromohio4103 Yes mainly increased speed and the ability to shoot a heavier grain arrow efficiently.
I am not sure how much the minimum poundage is i believe its 40# for deer hunting but you definitely should shoot as many pounds as you can comfortably.
Is the Hoyt your primary bow and finer tuned to your liking? If so wouldn’t that be a large advantage.
I think a different peep without the peep tube would increase the Bear's speed by a few fps!
Im a decent shot and was looking for a cheap hunting bow a few years back.
Saw a $250 twin cam Diamond @ #65 with a 8"+ brace height amd 29" draw hanging on the used rack at the old bow shop one day.
I put on an aluminum Octane rest, pops' old cobra sight and, well... it shoots.
It even came with a slide on quiver. Needs new cables now though.
Bear authority has taken 15 deer a new set of strings and ready for more.
That’s rad
Interesting comparison. My suspicion would be if that junky brush rest on the Bear went in the trash and a (decent) drop away were installed, it would have been a closer race out past 40.
I keep seeing the UV sight on that Hoyt! Sticking with it for the season?👀
Keep Hammering!!! 😆 love the videos
Hammering 🔨🔨
I love a Bear bow. Never had an issue with any of them. I started low price point for all the reasons suggested, as my archery improved, so my did my equipment. I still shot a Fred Bear, I'm still the limiting factor 😅
Hey Tim! Great video! I'm trying to find out the name of the rap song that starts at 0:37. The lyrics go something like 'I'm walking on top of the ceilings, I ain't scare of the heights...' Would really appreciate if you could share the track info!
I heard Tim can do 100 pushups in 20 minutes
Nice review. Obviously not apples to apples , but you make a great point about get a bow and go shoot it. It’s like golf… get some clubs and go hit them.
I do have a question….how many bows have you set up this year? 3-4-5? A guy has to know!😊
Liked the video. I got a Bear to get myself back into Archery and yes, it is real good for that so if all goes well I’ll shop for the long termer.
What target block were you using in the parking lot??
Awesome content as always what was the draw poundage on Bear Adapt
70lbs
Nice comparison, the bear nice midwesr hunting bow! Hoyt, awsome all around!!!
Fair!
good no noncence revue great work 👍
I’ve got the bear legit that’s been properly tuned and it shoots way better than that adapt, has it been tuned? Cause they aren’t great out of the box
Bought this as my first bow! Didn’t know jack shit about archery let alone hunting. I love it. Definitely can agree with getting a better peep sight. It’s a bang for buck bow.
Could you list the accessories you put on the Hoyt?
Hoyt makes a darn good bow. I don't know crap, but my buddy has one. I could hit bullseyes at 30 yards in the first 2 shots I ever took. 60 lb draw, compound like these. Couldn't be easier to use. Line up the sights and its darn near arrow on arrow at 30 yards which as a shotgun turkey hunter, is about as far as I'd like to shoot. The bow is quiet and the let off/ back wall make it very usable for hunting. Always wondered how the bow hunters did it, glad I got to shoot a good one and see first hand just how capable these modern compound bows are. Even the old school stuff is incredible in the right hands. Cheers
That music intro caught me off guard 😅🔥
Awesome video bro your editing skills are insane let’s fish soon !
The bow you shoot the best is the best bow. Have strings and cables that hold a tune and invest in a good rest I'd say are your two best purchases. Engineering is well enough caught up these days across the board of manufacturerers
i see a few issues in your testing, mainly that you edited out some shots, when the video skips at 6:42, theres an extra arrow hole on target #3 lol
The concept of getting people to get what they can afford to get out is great. I also read the bear was tuned but I’d admit I don’t think to the level the Hoyt is. I think a better video would be to have a 6 month in bear adapt owner and you go head to head. Just my humble opinion
Love the video! Let me ask you this, how much “experience” was used in the tests? I mean, I’ve only been shooting archery for 1yr. I don’t think either one of the bows would matter. :)
You can grow into this stuff ✊
Cool idea for a video. What are the specs on the bear? Brace? Ata?
Dammit now Im curious and want to tinker! Is it actually the bow or the accessories? Would a drop away tighten up the groups? Stabs? Thanks for taking the time to do this. I feel like the VTM didnt get the love it deserves this year. it's fast as hell and is a shooter. I want one!
Chris Bee did a video like this and he shot way better with his budget bow, sometimes he shot better with it then his high end bow, pretty sure he won a TAC truck using a budget bow as well in one of his videos
@@mrt3206 yeah I saw that. He also has immaculate form which might help with a biscuit. I personally shoot a biscuit so I’m not knocking it!
Interesting thoughts!
Not finished with the video yet Tim but the camera work looks beautiful in the first few minutes 👏 👏
Thank you for noticing my friend
Your arm is wandering all over the place ,I'll stick with my ancient Bear polar from the late 1950's I belive at 81 the old memory is sometimes is resting in the forest . Happy Trails
Swap the sights on the two bows. I bet that you would get different results. The old rule is to spend more on the accessories than on the bow. The sight on your Hoyt costs as much as the total cost of the Bear. It's not a fair test.
I think that's the point lmao. One set up is more expensive than the other....
I was going to get that and then I went wayyy down the rabbit hole and got a PSE Unite for my first compound a few months ago.
Great video! What type of quiver are you using?
Nice video. What chest rig is that?
Nice vid! Not considering arrow rest as a valuable upgrade too?
Depends on how much money a person wanted to spend
The wisker biscuit is no good you'll need to change it before you need to buy your second dozen arrows. I have QAD hunter. Also needed to change out the quiver for a more centered look on the bow and tighter fit for 5 and 4mm arrows. Oh, you'll also definitely need to change strings. The factory one ware out fast .After that, this thing is solid. You can see mine in my shorts.
How about doing the test again, but set up like it right. See if you can tighten the groups at distance.
My pops shoots a 400 dollar Bear rth setup from Bass Pro and I shoot a Hoyt. His grouping is tight and he’s comfortable with the bow. A good bow will enhance your skill but it won’t create it that’s for sure . Still takes slinging a lot of arrows and practice
UV slider….. worth the money in your opinion? I’m in the market for a new sight but torn on the cost.
Hard to say my friend.. I haven’t ran it through a season.. but if you don’t mind spending the cheese it’s a clean rig!
Law of diminishing returns applies in this case. So maybe longevity? At the distance that most people harvest, these 2 bows are going to be marginally different in producing the same outcome.
In leaning towards getting the adapt next year can't beat the price for the quality and brand new depending where u can pick up adapt anywhere from 450 to 600 good choice if your not made of money but want a respectable bow shooting an older hoyt now but will hang it up as back up after this year