I'm an African immigrant and this topic creates a false equivalency. The immigrants that come from Africa are mostly college students, work permit holders, or come from at least upper middle class backgrounds. So it's unfair to compare that subset with the entire FBA group. Newsflash, in Africa we also have a giant population of "lazy" people, etc. And not all of us dislike American black people. Most of us were influenced by their culture, and we love them. Free game stay away from hateful Africans and hateful black Americans. They're all 1 cesspool of ignorance.
@wezhira2007 I don’t really agree that the majority of African immigrants are college educated or upper class citizens before moving to the US; I’m an international student myself and I spoke with a lot of African immigrants and a good portion of them are really struggling in America as we speak.
I am an African immigrant from Uganda 🇺🇬. Started from a University in Alabama but have lived the last 13 years in Los Angeles. I have too much respect for black Americans, the mental toughness required for them to remain sane in this country is admirable. For us black immigrants come to this country with already a sense of who we are,even if from poverty. A. Child born in this country will face systemic racism from day one , growing up they see so much negativities that’s is meant to crash their spirits. You turn on a tv and you will see so much negativity directed at black peoples. This has been going on for generations that it has actually succeeded in defeating the spirit of some . But black Americans have risen over all the obstacles to create the most vibrant cultures . Talk of fashion, music, movies, sports etc
Thanks brother - this title of the Vlog is certainly misleading. We are all in this together, dividing us is not the answer. Your comment was more the norm than what this one person had to say that was negative in the Vlog.
This man is soooo off the course ! I am African American who worked 2 jobs through college up to PhD level!! It sickens me to hear Africans and African Americans lump all of us as lazy in order to push themselves on a fake pedestal...African Americans are some of the hardest working people in this USA
People should stop confusing opinion with fact. Also, Africa is not a country, and there are different black cultural and economic classes in both the United States and every single country in Africa. Some people are simply not respectful regardless of immigrant status or citizenry. There are dumb people in every creed, race, ethnicity, color, and national origin. We're all humans.
My friend still remembers fleeing from Northern Uganda with nothing on his feet. He now owns 100 acres of land and several properties back home. He works as an auditor and a warehouse worker (16 hr days) in Europe and is currently in the process of building a school for the local community while supporting a Ugandan wife and 3 kids. The hunger is different when you come from nothing.
Comparing immigrants that were at least middle class in their struggling country to around 95% of the population of another group of people in their native country is not a good argument. If their culture was so superior than it would reflect in accomplishment of their home country and they most likely wouldn't have left in the first place.
DING DING DING! They don't understand that this "Lazy" argument is actually used against Black People Globally. Willfully letting the enemy stoke your ego so he can more easily exploit your native resources is morally backwards, they don't understand that though many times.
@@martinseboma8679 Where is your proof of that and from which African countries do alot of poor Africans come from to America? The vast majority of poor africans are more likely to go to places more closer to Africa like the middle east,Europe or another African country. Most poor Africans aren't going to get accepted in America as easy as those other places and they won't be able to afford a plane ticket to America in the first place. A ticket to Africa from America is one of the most expensive tickets costing around 1000$ for Americans so I'm sure it's expensive for Africans to come here.
Extended family members sell properties and land to send their relatives to school in America. You know that whole "it takes a village" saying y'all just casually quote in America? Well, in Africa, it's LITERAL! some communities also have their local scholarships that send the Brightest kids to America. There's also asylum seekers. A whole lot of the emanated from war-torn African countries like Somalia.
@@martinseboma8679 I'm sure that happens but for the most part it's not Africans whose struggling that hard who end up being able to afford to come to America let alone being accepted in the first place. Being able to afford to live in America AND being ACCEPTED to live here is two different things because America has a stricter support of immigration than you think especially from African countries. Europe is more likely where most of the refugees will go plus Canada also takes in alot if not more African immigrants especially refugees from one of the poorest countries like Somalia.
I chuckled when the lady in the yellow said there are opportunities given to Black Americans that aren't given to the natives because we say the SAME thing about immigrants who come to the West. I have always tried to lovingly embrace my African brothers and sisters when I see them but for some reason, theirs a particular group of African women ( I am unsure of their country), who always turn up their noses at me, with the exception of Ethiopian women, Ethiopian woman has always been nice.
@@Kenganda For black reparations from the start. The same reason we are separate if a black American go to Africa. They will be looked at as a black American and will not be able take the benefits from the Africa country he or she landed in.
@@Kenganda Fba deserve affirmative action and benefits for them only. Fba are making the same mistakes with black immigrants like y’all did with Latinos who turned on you.
@@natepolitics1490 but you can do both at the same time. Number one: African Americans can get reparations and still work with Africans and the Powerful Black Diaspora. We need the numbers to do more business and to work together. Both of these things can be accomplished at the same time.
As an African, i believe that Any successful black African in America should be grateful for the sacrifices of African Americans because they are the reason for his success.
This idea ought to be interrogated - that lmmigrant success in America is due to the "sacrifices of African Americans" (mind you a significant percentage do not like to identify as AA). Because immigrants from Africa, Asia and other places do succeed in European countries. It is true that blacks fought for civil rights in America and got that codified into the law of the land, but they did not prevent all the other forms of discrimination that take place from con tinuing and immigrants succeeding in spite of it!
@@paulerick6001 There will be no civil rights for anybody in America Without the African Americans' sacrifices ESPECIALLY AFRICANS, Except for whites American same like in South Africans - NAKED FACT
@@paulerick6001 Non white Immigrants were not succeeding in bulk before Black Americans were able to push to codify civil rights. Were there exceptions, of course, but when you look at wealth building among Indians, Asians, Nigeria's, Mexicans, Cubans communities, that did not happen until after Black Americans led the charge to tear down Jim Crow laws. No one is saying Black Americans were giving these communities jobs BUT Blacks did attack and repeal laws that hurt many communities from success thus leading to their eventual wealth generation
Not just Africans all immigrants that come to America especially non whites ! Black Americans fought and some died for Civil rights for all in this country and we as a people don’t get that respect we’re looked at as lazy instead looked at as people who want to be treated good as white Americans! We’re not putting up with the disrespect
Even if Africans came to the UK a few generations afterwards it's not the young Carribeans who went through the struggle. I've studied in the UK, the Nigerians were the top performers in our class. Carribeans were a bit more laxed and that's no disrespect because Nigerians can be a bit excessive. They only value excellence. I personally found it inspirational and tried to keep up but I see how that attitude can rub people the wrong way.
Africans fought in world war 1 and 2 with the people from the Caribbean please read some history before making such comments. They have always been in the uk it’s not like they came after wards
@@sharonanthonique1255 The wartime workers and servicemen who arrived from West Africa predate the huge migration from the Carribeans. That's not the group I'm talking about, you're smarter than that.
@@kr3539what are you talking about because he main drugdealers gangsters and people that come here illegally all theough5 europe are west African immigrants and if you see a homeless black person they're never caribbean they are Nigerian or some other type of african. So your comment if your trying to imply that africans are more successful than caribbeans in the uk couldn't more further from the truth. Theirs a reason why africans are looked down depending on which parts of europe your in
US Census black population 2023 ,47 million . Out of this Black from outside US 4.8 million . Black from US 42-43million . 1980 Black population from outside US 800,000 . White populations from outside US including Europe preferred than black and other populations historically . 75% of black from Africa moved to the US after 2000 . 43% moved after 2010 . Historically black from outside US mostly from Caribbean, South and Central America including Mexico ,Columbia ,Brazil, Jamaica, Belize, Panama etc . Black from Caribbean ,Central, South America 2 million . Total Black population from Africa in US 2.1 million . Black population Africa 1.3 billion . Population from North Africa in US 1 million . Total Population Africa continent 1.46 billion . THIS TOPIC IS A NON-ISSUE . BLACK POPULATION FROM OUTSIDE US INSIGNIFICANT . 2.1 million black from continent vs a population of 1.3 billion with over 54 countries . 2.1 million black from continent in US vs 43 million black from US . 400,000 Nigerians in US vs 215 million Nigerians . 357,000 Ethiopians in US vs 120 million Ethiopian population . MOST BLACK IN US FROM CONTINENT COME FROM LESS THAN 5 COUNTRIES OUT OF 50+ . Black in US have more pressing problems . Only 24% black millennial married compared to more than 80% in 1950 . Less than 30 % of black adult population married . 70% black children single parent . At least 30% of married black men inter- racial . Black men 6% population 33 % prison . Black 14% population 38% prison . Median black women wealth $1700 .
As much as it hurt to read your facts, I appreciate you posting them. Those are the things that needs to be discussed more often. We need to discuss the cause(systemic racism), the effects(your facts), and most importantly the resolutions.
Thanks much for the stats!!!!! These are irrefutable facts that need to be used more often…So often there are these Pro Nigerian Channels that constantly brag that they’re the best at everything!!!!!! When in reality their numbers in America are insignificant and they should stop claiming they are more successful than Black Americans!!!!!! Nonsense!!!!!!
That's the part they don't talk about. As a matter of fact, because of media depiction, many AAs believe Africa is a jungle & Africans live in huts & therefore, not socially current thinkers, many AA think Africans are dumb, so they want to be OVERLY RESPECTED/CODDLED by Africans & even when possible they try to exploit Africans & more often than not, Africans bend over backwards to please/placate/ignore them, but it's still not enough cos they're insatiable. U can see these examples in the workforce, AA & African marriages etc.
@@Kenganda Africans don't show their love by disrespecting others. The reason there's a big disconnection between black immigrants and black Americans is because black Americans don't hide(chini ya maji) their hate towards other black immigrants.
No you’re part of the reason why there’s a disconnect because you can’t get over the past. Everyday Oshay is putting in effort to try to get the whole black diaspora connected so why don’t u give him credit for that. Let’s get over all the petty shit and work on things that are important.
What I hate is when Blk foreigners make judgments about FBAs work ethics when they don't understand American workforce politics. FBAs must put up with a different kind of racism than Blk foreigners. We are faced with yt micro-aggressions all day, no matter how hard we work, while making less than our yt counterpart for the same position. As a retiree from a fairly good position, it was hard to deal with the fact that my co-worker, who was hired ten years after I had been employed, started out making twenty-thousand dollars more a year. I had to train her how to do the same job I had been doing. If the benefits were not so good, and had I not had other financial advantages, I would probably have quit. In the space of time of my employment, I had three bosses. The first and third were monsters, but the second boss was so impressed with my performance that he increased my salary. Under his direction, I received plaques, trophies, time off awards, and cash awards, so it can’t be said that I was not an exemplary employee. Most yt employers pay their yt employees more than FBAs employees, and the FBAs employees more than foreign Blk employees. Nevertheless, I still made less than the yt co-worker whom I trained. I fear FBA youth have given up. Not many are as lucky as I was. Despite my resentments, I was one of the very few Blk employees in the agency in which I worked, which had four huge divisions. I would not have gotten the position had I not known someone who knew someone, regardless of my education, work ethic, and resume. It is difficult to be motivated while being harassed when there is little to no reward or potential for growth. These things are intentionally done to us to provoke disenfranchisement. While prior generations knew this as a way of life, our youth are not as accepting of such treatment. FBAs are responsible for America's rise in power and know we are at least owed equal pay for equal work. Our youth experience these inequalities and are disenfranchised. They find it hard to tolerate and see no change in sight. Blk foreigners come here to work and because they make more in America than they did in their country, they are grateful. The following clip shows an immigrant who found out. (th-cam.com/users/clipUgkx5adWkvKYa5_2Ps8rVA1XRhiyMITYwpb3 ) After all, their plan is to work and save and return home with a fist full of Yankee dollars where the value is sometimes double. FBAs don't have such options, so they don’t have the same vision. Blk foreigners don't realize that yt people hire them because they will work for less without complaint, as they are unaware that they are being cheated. Yt people know it is wrong, but they also know that Blk foreigners give them the best bang for their buck. It makes it so difficult for FBAs to get hired or secure equal pay for equal work when yt employers will hire Blk foreigners before a FBAs because he doesn't have to pay them as much. FBAs have been fighting the good fight for generations, and our youth don't see where it will ever get any better. They don’t see the point of working two and three jobs when it is still impossible to pay bills. Blk foreigners are just getting here. After a while, they will understand. That train is never late.
I'm African living in the US and this right here is the gospel. People haven't realized how much African Americans have to deal with in their own country. The war on them is so covert you can't see it if you don't put your ears to the ground. That's why I tell my friends, wherever you are working make sure to learn all you can and be ready to replicate that very same business because your employers are ready to replace you at the drop of a hat. China got this far by copying and pasting technology from advanced nations including America. If they can do it so can we.
@@alveem7295 Thank you. Until you see them, the antics of yt supremacy are difficult to identify unless you are their target. The one thing they are very good at is dividing and conquering. Shalom
I'm an African born and raised in Europe, I can't relate to your narrative. Speak on your own people but don't just assume Africans got it like that. Where I live 99.9% are refugees. My parents came here as refugees and moved back home after 20 years because of the same struggles you talk about. Tragedy struck and now I'm stuck providing for my sick mother and brother who's currently in college (my father barely made it 5 years before he was murdered back home). I'm grossly underpaid considering my qualifications but I don't use that as an excuse for why I'm not where I'm supposed to be. When I couldn't get a job I went abroad and acquired the qualifications needed yet when I came back I was pigeonholed in an entry level job where I'm earning scraps. I'm damn near pushing 40, living in a tiny ass apartment because my salary ain't enough yet You're trying to tell me that Africans got it easy. Foh, I ain't trying to hear none of that. My parents left before I even graduated high-school so I started off in a group home. Everything I earned was because of my own blood, sweat and tears. Every single one of my close friends got murdered family members but we still push through. Some of us made it, others didn't. I survived an attempted murder, then 6 months down the line got news that my father got murdered only for my homie to get murdered 2 months afterwards. That was in between trying to balance my studies abroad in England with no moral support (I'm not a native speaker). Every time I went home shit popped off in my neighbourhood until I stopped entertaining the bullshit. I've got PTSD from the shit I've seen but I still wake up every day and go to work because that's what a man's supposed to do. Suckers get caught in the streets. You can blame the system all you want but the truth is that a lot of ngs are too cool for school, those are the ones being called lazy.
They been using immigrants as a weapon towards black Americans since we got freedom and then again after civil rights They use any type of propaganda to beat you
@@kr3539 Where did I speak on any other experience but MY OWN, of which I am qualified to do? Clearly, you did not understand my comment, for if you had, you would have understood that I was speaking about my own experience as that of a FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICAN with foreigners who come to AMERICA. If you looked at the included TH-cam video, you would have seen the Somalian refugee who came to AMERICA and who validated my comment. The global Diasporan problem is that some of us within the Diaspora feel the need to be combative with others in order to rank as superior by making the point that theirs' is a different experience, rather than accepting the shared information as a point of education. That is exactly one of the effects of yt supremacy, which works best when some in a group think that they are better than others. By refusing to acknowledge the experiences of others as such, they discount those experiences, and somehow they think it makes them superior. However, yt people see us all as one and the same. This is why we suffer globally from racism and why we will never get rid of it. Shalom
I love the woman with the yellow shirt speaking facts. It looks good to help the poor African. It doesn’t look good to help the poor black American. I saw a ton of African kids get a full ride to undergrad and grad school while black American kids had to drop out because they didn’t have money. Either way, message to all immigrants is the same. America is the only country that allows immigrants to come here and talk sh** about countrymen, especially black countrymen, and that tolerance needs to stop. In no other country can immigrants sit around insulting countrymen without being told to go home
If you are not hardworking please don’t come to Nigeria, don’t compare us to anyone, we are goal getter, we work very hard please just stay in Uganda 🇺🇬.
Man if I come there the same thing will happen in nigeria. You can't name many podcasts as well produced as ours in Nigeria. If I come there I will also do very well. I will also succeed in your market.
@@Kenganda I actually don't think so, tbh, I think the same channel format would struggle. Nigerians don't like to always be left in a toxic space after a discussion. I think they don't enjoy the complaining as much as this channel can generally promote sometimes( although they do love to complain and moan, too, lol). You just can't leave them there in that space.....every episode. Nigerians like humour during discussions even if it's about a serious subject. That is a Naija coping mechanism. They don't enjoy the blame game and fault finding as much. At some point solutions have to be introduced too. I checked out a few Nigerian podcasts (very briefly) and even with heavy subjects, I found them less negative overall and did not follow a "them versus us" /finger wagging format. They seem not to be simply a collection of accusations, basically
We are listening in totally riveted KENGANDA Team!! I can’t wait to connect on the Ugandan front. We didn’t connect when we were there but on the next round….the collaboration is a must for us. #repatpodcast #1 🎉🫶🏾🏆
There was a whole civil rights era where we fought for all diasporans to have opportunities in America. Most black immigrants didn't get to america until the 1980s We built america #ados
Do African Americans themselves respect African immigrants in the US? I wish you had immigrants on the podcast who have lived in the US and can testify about the treatment. Americans on the continent you got the privilege and respect in Africa which African immigrants don’t have in the US🤔
You haven't even watched it yet you are speaking. Alot of you people in the comments start commenting before even seeing the podcast please watch the entire episode then speak.
@@Kenganda such topics need a live stream, I thought it. Was a live stream but it does not take away the fact that I have said. Americans are more respected if not adored in Africa than African Americans who tell African immigrants to go back home accusing them of taking their jobs after selling them. Sorry to generalize but the slavery card is played a lot and most of them blame immigrants for some things that took place 400yrs ago. It is a misconception that Africans are poor, they may be paper money poor but they can survive and most have land, it is a high time we define poverty. There is a lot of poverty and homelessness in the US, also pple who have never seen the airport or been in the city. Most Africans are humble and they don’t talk big, which may be translated into low self esteem which maybe cultural respect.
I am an African, South African to be specific, I live and work in the US, educated and a very nice person I should believe, a Pan Africanist and a lifetime student of history and geopolitics. I came to the US very much aware of the oppression of Black Americans in the hands of white supremacist power structure, to me, the Black American experience was almost similar to Black/indigenous South Africans, now, I said all of that so you understand my background and my mindset coming to the US, I however had a rude awakening in my first couple of months, I was hated by Black Americans, called names and to my surprised, I was loved by white Americans, they were the ones who befriended me, helped me and even at the hospital I worked at, the Black American woman had issues with Africans but the white Americans loved us. My experience is very common amongst Africans who live in the US, both my friends are West Africans, a Nigerian who is an engineer and a Senegalese who is a physics professor both young guys like me, they both told me horror stories. Black Americans must stop pretending that Africans must sympathize with them when they are the ones who hate Africans and they do so even when Africans extend a branch of love, the Black Americans especially the Black American woman, want us to love them unconditionally but hate us for being Africans and see us as a competitor, to them, we are their soft target. Lastly, I find it very unfair that the American gentlemen here is not bringing African people in his platform who are knowledgeable and educated on these matters, instead he is discuss an issue that involves all Africans an and he brings his employees to pretend as if those employees represent the mindset, views and experiences of Africans living in America, he brings his African employees so they can agree with everything he says to appease to his American audience. The people who will loose the most are Black Americans because by listening at the guest here they will not learn any serious lesson. I need to add this, there has been a lot of Black American TH-camrs who insults Africans, Americans such as Anton Daniels and Tariq Nasheed and this guy from American has not really spend time to condemn those American clowns but has the time to lecture us Africans, I take exception to that.
Thanks for telling the honest truth. It's the "hurt people, hurt people syndrome..." & bcos they believe there's no repercussion for behaving negatively towards Africans who they believe are lower than them on the totem pole. The most profound part of what you shared is "Black Americans must stop pretending that Africans must sympathize with them when they are the ones who hate Africans and they do so even when Africans extend a branch of love, the Black Americans especially the Black American woman, want us to love them unconditionally, but hate us for being Africans and see us as a competitor, to them, we are their soft target." I see it all the time, that when given the opportunity, African Americans will treat Africans worse than whites do them, because that's what they understand power dynamics when tilted in their favor to be used for based on their lived example with whites...
@Gedeni, I agree with you. I find him to be fake, toxic and divisive. He uses this podcast as a way to insults Africans and make fun of us and pretends that it's just a "discussion". Plus, his hosts does what he tells them to do and blindly agrees with him because they are scared of getting fired. How can he talk about the Africans living in the diaspora without those African being present to discuss?? He picks a "topic" about Africans in the diaspora and brings continental Africans who have never set foot outside of Africa to discuss on the panel. A average African in Africa has no clue how black American treats African.
From South Africa, where are you from? and what tribe? i just want to make sure that you not a Zimbabwean claiming to be a South African simply because this is what foreigners say about us. Your tribe, were you grew up from and why is your name not sounding like a black South African as well
Let’s say I was a Zimbabwean, then what, does that take away the message I was trying to put across?, stop your xenophobic mentality here. Ngiyabona ukuthi umthetho wakho uyadelela. Lento oyikhuluma lana kule zindawo zokuqumana ngeke ukulhuluma kumina ngikubhekile. Futhi lento yakho yokudelela abokuhamba ngeke isebenze lapha kimi. Stop your stupid attitude. I can tell that you grow up in the township that is why you have a poor mindset. Uyadelela mfana. For your knowledge, am Zulu and my mother is Swati which is really the same thing but you wouldn’t know that because you are some thug from township with no culture and respect.
My grandmother was a school lunch lady. She was able to retire and live off her pension and social security. A lot of us are not going to receive social security and the pension won’t support us until we die.
The average African immigrant comes to America with no resources and has to do a lot of work to come to America it’s not the same the an American moving to Africa with a 6 figure salary and easily getting a visa. There’s a privilege coming from America and their other rich countries
Here in America if you don't work Uncle Sugar will take care of you. In Africa, if you don't work you don't eat. There's a big difference between having a social services net and not having a net. The new immigrants are motivated, disciplined, and searching to be a success. They don't see the limitations that our citizens see. There are different cultures within Africa. It's a big continent.
I don't particularly care for Anton. I think he oversimplifies things to the point of being a detriment for our community, and also, I think he over generalizes. I like Oshays and Maintains opening take. It's all relative. It can easily be reversed. Why are we always trying to point out the downside of things we do or don't do? Let's focus on the solutions people. I tell my team in the management world, don't come to me with problems, if you come to me problems, also come with a solution. We can work with that.
Having an opinion that is different from an indigenous black American does not indicate that you have disrespect for them. After all your opinion could be based on ignorance (lack of knowledge) or upbringing or cultural or something else. Let's consider that black Americans have the worst stereotypes of Africans and Africa and which often manifests as disrespect. So, maybe we need to be more patient with each other and maybe ask questions like, "What do you mean by that"? "Explain what you just said to me."
I'd like to expound on this Topic as a someone who has had the opportunity to live life on both spectrums being a 1st gen American. It's a misnomer that FBA's/ADOS are lazy because what immigrants call opportunity can be classified as exploitation to an ordinary American citizen. Immigrants make basic USD wages while living a very basic life in the US, they'd then send that basic wage back home and are able to build an upper class life because of exchange rate advantages, my mother's USD wages when converted was far more than the wage of her homeland's head of state. Juxtapose that to an American getting that basic wage but since he has no other home country his exchange rate is 1:1 & it's impossible for him to move upwardly with the same Job that immigrants accept in most cases. The extra expenses Americans pay e.g insurances etc is not experienced by most immigrants.
What I've come to realize is black people puts a hole lot more enthusiasm when working for outside of their race with a sense of obligation to prove that they are worthy, and are less enthusiastic with little to no feelings of having to prove themselves when it's their own people's, regardless what classification you may bracket them in,
I agree with war if it is clean and all about conversations and prayer. Now if some have to duke it out, so be it, but guns are not allowed. We will no longer destroy one another but uplift one another and turn to our father in heaven.
@@sammie7641 Professor Gabriel Oyibo said war is about who’s the most intelligent. Not knowing you’re in a fight is the sure way to lose. Not fighting back is a sure way to lose.
Salary /flat payments tend to create lazy attitude towards work But hourly payments pushes for more attitude towards work. The more you work the more you earn. Love your programs>>Thanks
Immigrants should automatically have respect for Black Americans because if it weren’t for us they wouldn’t even be allowed to migrate here. Particularly immigrants of a darker skin tone!
😂😂😂 automatic respect? this god complex attitude you have for Africans to revere you is why you're unlikable. whites did more for African immigrants to settle in America, facts. not you.
41:14 👍🏿so lets ease up on the "whos mopping who" talk and put more "lets come together and here are some opportunities i see in Africa that athe diaspora can help with" talk. We have enough forces of division
I dont understand why we keep trying to separate and differenciate ourselves. We all come from the same ancestral roots. Lets not help the colonizers and slave traders with their quest to keep us separated.
Akon hired an American construction company to build his Crypto city in Senegal . The Nigerians are one of if not the most successful minority in America . I will say the grass is not always greener on the other side although it can be . America is still the land of opportunity however emerging markets present opportunity as well . Bottom line there is opportunity everywhere if you open your eyes and look for it
The solution is, you have to really! really! want to be successful to make it anywhere . And the ones who want it most and are willing to pay the price ,will always make it
You are right Oshay. Most Jamaican immigrants, when they come to the US there is no help for them outside of themselves or family members so you had better work two jobs or work and go to college, especially if you did not come from mega wealthy family where your parents can fully support you. First of all America is no easy kettle of fish. If you don't work in America you don't eat, and if you don't have extended family here to give you a helping hand God help you. You also can't come here to slouch off, and live off your family either. You had better push it and ask God to bless you with health and strength, and you do whatever you need to do go to school and support yourself. Fist of all you can't go to the government for help because in order for you to get your Green Card to live here in the US permanently, the agreement that is made is that you CANNOT get aid from the government. The person who sponsored you has to take that responsibility. I am speaking of Jamaicans only, I don't know about anyone else. If you come here as a teacher or nurse, or other professional back in the day, then you get sponsored thru your employer/sponsor yourself so you therefore depend on your own resources. I don't think that sort of thing exist anymore. You could come here as a teacher or nurse, back in the day when there was a shortage in those professions. In fact they went to the island to recruit. Same thing happened to the nurses from the Philippines. I certainly respect my African American brothers and sisters. I look at them as being privileged because they are Americans. They are the trend setters. We as Jamaicans have no help here, but the help of God, and I appreciate the graciousness of African Americans. Some of us came here for college and soon get caught up in life, making friends, going to college, getting married and having children who are now Americans, and so America now becomes your home. Peace and many blessings.
No we are negroes by ancestry and Americans by history not by birth right anybody born in USA is a American by birth right we talking historically American from the beginning of the country of united states
Sometimes we get so involved referring to African Americans at the bottom of the food chain that make no effort to elevate themselves from the bottom of the food chain that we sometimes forget to specify we are not talking about all African Americans. When we forget to specify all African Americans are not lazy, unwilling to work hard, or elevate themselves. It is we are programmed by the media to focus on the lower class and the criminals and not realize all the African Americans who graduated from Ivory League Universities, Black African American billionaires (and the tens of thousands of millionaires) most who are self made. And now we can add African American President to the ranks, African American doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc. Additionally, all countries, all races, all cultures have people living on the bottom of the food chain with no aspiration to elevate themselves.
If our Caribbean grand parents and great grandparents came over to the west with a business, live to work mindset like other groups did we wouldn't be in last place now. These people had a live for the weekend, half arse approach to life and it filtered down to us, unfortunately. People we have to be serious about life.
Opportunity is in the eye of the beholder. Africans and African Americans shouldn't be criticizing each other. They both should realize that they each work hard and experienced and experience obstacles that may not be readily visible. Just keep in mind who sold who. Just because I'm a African American Caribbean doesn't mean I'm unaffected. Typical comments that I receive and don't appreciate are you're not really Black, or you're not like them irritate me because I see them really see them and know that they are not lazy but often tired of being mistreated, abused, stereotyped, and their efforts thwarted. It's amazing that during slavery African Americans were considered the hardest working, loyal people but after slavery they're just lazy. This nonsense needs to stop amongst us. We were one until dispersed amongst the globe and need to unite and stop the nonsense.
That’s slavery, who works 40hrs, they do that and where is the result. Not only that when they come over here how much government helps them; it’s not like they come over here and get benefits, let’s stop making it seem that they come here and private enterprises have programs that sponsors them here; then the government gives them grants. So let’s stop the talk of Africans come here with nothing and work hard it don’t work like that they are all getting help, they get housing grants education grants food grants all of these immigrants. Africans have been giving whole communities. So let’s stop it. They get benefits. Not hard work. We know this system now. As far as African Americans we work 12 to 16 hours a day. All this is uneducated people talking about USA immigration in America.
I highly disagree with the woman in yellow regarding opportunities in the West vs. Africa. I just graduated from university as a dual major, and I'm starting another degree. I have noticed that companies in the US are giving opportunities to immigrants at a greater rate than they are giving opportunities to foundational Americans (race being omitted). If you have an accent, or you are a first gen, you will likely get the job. Even if you didn't do as well as someone who was born here. I hate to say it that way, but I worked on a project while in Uni, and the data was there to prove it. The opportunities for FBA to excel are not as readily available as people think they are. People always talk about DEI, a company can hire an immigrant to fill their DEI quota. FBA aren't the greatest beneficiaries of DEI.
Where can I read up on the success black Americans have had on the continent? Which magazines, books, or podcasts can I listen to because that would help many see the possibilities and opportunities on the continent.
What do people think success is in America? Sure, doctors and other professionals can claim a good upper middle-class life, but that doesn’t necessarily make them successful and wealthy. They have to keep working to maintain a lifestyle. Creating generational wealth and opportunities is what I’m aiming for. In other words, the ability to never worry about money. Most people will never get those opportunities.
We are not lazy we are just not doing the bullshit jobs and dealing with the disrespect that others will deal with because we are Americans! Especially black Americans because of our history in this country we don’t take disrespect very well and people here will take your hard work and carefree attitude for weakness!!!
What do you think would happen in reverse? If just the top 20% African-American's in fields of science, business, sports, entrainment & management, development, CEO's, General Managers, political advisors/leaders, educators, etc., moved together to an African country (or many other countries for that matter) and were given opportunity to collectively utilize their skills, knowledge, wisdom and expertise? What do you think would be the outcome?
Already happened many freed Slaves migrated to various West African nations such as Nigeria, Liberia, Ghana, Sierra Leone in the 1800s and they amassed massive wealth and power in fact today they are some of the wealthiest families in West Africa
The guy in the video speaking about not respecting Black Americans is a clown I'd like to ask a few questions of. (1) If they're so smart you couldn't they accomplish in their countries as a majority what we did as a minority here? (2) Why do they come here to be educated in schools Black Americans created but none if us ever go to schools created by them to educate us? (3) Why is it that in a country where we are the minority and were being beaten and lynched daily, we had more influence in impacting making social advances for them than they ever had for us? (4) Why is it that as a majority in their countries they have only recently learned to stand up to foreigners invading their countries like we've been doing for centuries? (5) Why is it a continent of 54 countries full of Black people they can't muster up enough strength to it take over and do what 35 or 40 million Black Americans have done? Nigeria alone has 200 plus million Black Africans yet they allow themselves to be controlled by people who aren't even in their country. (6) How is it that as majorities in their countries they can't even hold onto their own cultures and customs yet here in America we've created a culture that has become a global phenomenon? (7) They need to know it's because of Black Americans that they're allowed to even be here. It's because of laws passed during 1965 and the many battles fought by Black Americans that they've been allowed to come here. (8) I'd like to ask him why in countries where they are the majority none of them anywhere has built as many institutions of higher learning, or as many inventions as Black Americans
I had the opportunity once to experience what blacks in America are going through, and I can tell you categorically from those two days of experience that Black Americans are some of the best species of blacks in the world. The system blocked me for two days because my name was not white. This is why I am now Eric.
Not true working from separation and working for cheat labour is what Zimbabwes did in South Africa restaurant we have been surviving without them how did we do it
I feel like that is slowly changing:) I have experienced discrimination from many ppl from other BLK nations in the past; however they are start to warm up to me and becoming more open.
Listen, us very successful ADOS, FBA’s, DO NOT REALLY CARE, PERIOD…. If you are an immigrant African, just do you, follow the rules the white man gave you or you will be deported…. We know you were told to separate from us, say negative things about us. It is ok. Maybe the 20% that are the Pookie’s and Rey Rey’s may be affected by your attitude, but us 80% that are successful and very successful, we are too busy making money, traveling around the world, to care about you or your issues, etc.. I don’t even associate with any immigrant. I am entirely too busy or traveling abroad after being double retired🙏🏽✌🏽✈️💰🇵🇭🇹🇿🇨🇴🇪🇹🇧🇷🇹🇭 Get your passports brothers and ✈️
The young woman that spoke Rachel gave good points but only if you are looking at it from an African stand point. Immigrants see the system of American but does not understand the allusion of it so they think we are lazy because we as americans know that a lot of it (the system) is a lie. But they are starving for opportunity and are so ambitious for a better life that they into the system and are going to find themselves eventually falling into it. African due come with a lot of value and pride in they tribe which is respectable. Also americans know that as the generations grow they will lose most if not of those morals, and that is what american does it takes your cultural values. Some americans are just learning the system that is also true and are doing the same as some immigrants but don't have the access at this point to obtain some levels of life. Most people are trying to move away from the system to build wealth on their on, which would leave a lot of jobs vacant. That would also leave a lot more jobs open for immigrants coming in to think american are lazy but truly they are just over the system.
For the first time i see that my blueberries, my veggies here in Germany coming from African countries....Africa has been stitched up by Western entities ready for the growth cycle that is swinging from China to Africa. They are just slurping up value out of nations and then moving on...so Africa will be rising for the next 20-30 years but who is really going to be running off with the loot, when the indigenous are fully employed but all commodities are being taken out of Africa to feed the West in their 15min cities...and though the standard of living (might) improve, the cost of living will make it feel like for the ordinary folk life is harder.
Oshay, we ve a poultry association of ghana and most are local farmers. Yes us Ghanaian diaporans are doing it to but i wouldnt say the diasporans are running it.
🤔😐‼️🤓 Who noticed that the entire episode was then repeating each other’s points consecutively? 🤓 (maybe Tina and Jonita are waiting for women specifically to be called lazy🤔😁 Watch this: BOTH the motherland and diaspora are directly sabotaged in general and statistically it’s proven that any living being works greater with incentive‼️ ONE sentence lol 📚📖 BUT the bottom line is that the conversations, even if redundant, HAVE TO HAPPEN AMONGST US‼️ coupled with PROACTIVENESS‼️🤓 Watch then how power grows amongst us all ‼️ From NYC, love to all. Bless.
Oshay stay Hatin on Hispanic People but remember always remember the Americas is Indigenous people land and those Hispanic people are mixed with that indigenous blood, some more then others, they have gotten their land taken away from them , enslaved , before the enslaved subsaharan Africans got imported in to replace them because of lack of immunity to old world diseases, genocide from small pox, warfare and being pushed onto reservations in the middle of the desert in Arizona and California which is Mexican land, Mexico was free territory for runaway black slaves, Mexicans got hung in trees, Hispanic people did help build America, they are the original people of the continent, the Indians were code talkers in the war , they taught the American military about guerilla warfare, camouflage, sign language, the Mohawk Indians built the skyscrapers in new York because they didn't have fear of heights, USA military choppers, jets and weapons are named after indigenous Americans, America favorite food is Mexican food, everything you eat in America comes from us so next time you hate just remember you are on indigenous American soil and you eat our foods, I suggest you look up all the fruits and vegetables that are from the Americas, not even Italian food and the pizza you love to eat would be possible if it wasn't for the tomatoes that are indigenous to Peru , you better respect Hispanic/indigenous People, don't oshay love Hispanic women? Well I love Hispanic women and west African women like the one at the far right in the red Blazer, she is a Rica Mamacita ayayay
Does anyone know where Maintain's family is from? He always acknowledges the Caribbean, but not the country. It's like someone saying I'm from Africa. Thank you.
@@DjMaintain Thanks for the clarification, brother. Two big sounds to check out here in Atlanta, GA, Optimistique (Dominica) and Choice One (St. Kitts). I am Guyanese. The Caribbean vibe is wicked here in Atlanta, especially for Carnival. Blessings.
Wow, there is so much to unpack from this video, which was a great and stimulating discussion. For starters, laziness is a personal choice, not an African, African-American or problem specific to any one ethnic group. As a Guyanese, our people are very entrepreneurial. Academics are key for us, as it is for anyone from Guyana or the broader Caribbean/West Indies. We are skilled as electricians, plumbers, automotive mechanics, cooks/caterers, very adept in the construction and renovation space, and in any field which require our hands. If not vocationally gifted, we are pursuing multiple college degrees, up to doctoral level. Guyanese and Caribbean folks can make it anywhere, because we have that drive for success and making it in a foreign land. I know my African brothers and sisters are equally the same. Are there lazy Guyanese and Caribbean, absolutely, but this is not the majority. Some of us, unfortunately want to find ways to cheat a system. Americans are the same. Again, it is not the majority, anywhere. Maintain, being of Caribbean heritage, can relate, because he has seen his fellow Caribbean nationals build success in Britain. Tina, the same, as an African growing up in the UK has seen her fellow African Ugandans and Africans build success there. Success, as with laziness, is a state of mind. One has to be resourceful, disciplined, and have a desire to become successful. On the continent, as Oshay stated, he has to grind almost non-stop to achieve the success he desires. As an immigrant, no matter where you immigrate to, the grind is serious. Older folks who immigrate, have little chance to build long-term success for themselves, so they strategically build a life for their children, who become first/second generation immigrants. What has kept us back is the universal repression of African people. All over the world, even in Africa, Africans (Black people) have to struggle twice, three, four, five times harder than their Caucasian, Indian, Asian counterparts. The global attempt to suppress opportunities and the advancement of African people, even on the continent, is averted by the determined spirit to fight the oppressive system to make it. I immigrated at the age of 7. Now, at 54, I have four degrees and a very successful life, in terms of experiences. Yes, I have been in a system that cut short advance opportunities because of my Black skin. Yes, but I did not let that keep me from building the success I have. I can take this expertise to Africa, which is the plan, and use it to enhance systems on the continent. So, the immigrant status will be met with staunch oppression and racism, but despite all that, there are still pathways to success. On the continent, Africans must be able to see opportunities and build at home. As an individual, the struggle will be difficult. However, if communities galvanized talent and resources, things can develop, albeit slowly. What helps this realization is building with those in the Diaspora who want to share their knowledge. Africans at home must not look at their brothers and sisters in the Diaspora as the enemy or with envy. We must see opportunities to link and build together. Our brothers and sisters must be humble and not think we have to go to Africa to "show" Africans how to do things or to teach them. That level of arrogance only drives us further apart. The thought process should be let's use what you know and have, and let's use what I know and have. Put that all together for a productive collaboration. This is what Dr. Arikana Chiombore-Quao is doing with the One Wakanda Project. Building a massive Pan-African initiative. We can do it.
@@martinvanburen4578 poverty has very little to do with it. It's a state of mind and matter of national pride. Yes, the socio-economic environment is not like that in the Wesat or Europe, but it's more the matter of a lust for corrupt behavior and the pervasive divide between ethnic and/or political lines which keep us underdeveloped. Also, there is the neo-colonial mindset of leaders who continue to think that everyone else is smarter and better equipped to develop us. How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, by Dr. Walter Rodney, was not only about Africa. It also discussed the manner in which we were left when physical independence materialized. China was poor and India, although experiencing poverty in many areas, has managed to build its country up on information technology and science. The Caribbean can do the same. First, reverse the brain drain, identify what needs developing, allocate resources toward those projects, and execute. However, if the mind is not conditioned to think progressively, poverty shall persist. Just like the brain drain, poverty can be reversed.
@@martinvanburen4578 Not always, but it does play a part. Corruption breeds poverty. If a nation uplifts its people, poverty should not be a problem. If government leadership continues to suppress its people, but only uplifts those in its support system, those outside the support system do suffer, socio-economically. They don't get access to the best schools, medical treatment, roads, basic needs. So, yes, that does force poverty onto a people, unfortunately.
What is all this "women don't respect" men in the US. Don't get it, I'm married and good. Good worker and family OG. The narrative being sold online is pretty much content from these social media nerds, trying to talk the race down. Antoine gets his ass kicked, and Oshay stays away in Poland and Africa and feels he's "different".
It's not about lazy for the most part. Every place and body has different work ethics. People in less developed countries generally work harder. They live a harder life... I had to explain this to some Mexicans. I know my worth. I'm not working harder to get paid less. Never that! They work harder because it's normal. But they get paid better here. And plenty immigrants are lazy. Especially when the government gives them grants and other benefits. And lots of foreigners send money home. So they have to work harder living two lives.
Great conversation, but I worry that the genuine critiques are lost in the emotional arguments. Racism and segregation in the 60s were horrible events and I empathise with the americans. But that era pales in comparison with what is happening in africa, (the Sudan and south sudan wars, Somalia, CAR, Chad, Zimbabwe, LRA war, the Rwandan genocide, the unending murderous dictatorships in almost all African countries, Apartheid are things out of a horror movie.) Every nation around the world has had a horrible history and we cant change that. And while I feel sorry for the our cousins in America , I think the generation born after the 80s only has themselves to blame for alot that is going wrong. This is a hill I will die on. Laziness comes in all shapes and sizes, I think the Blacks in America are one of the most hardworking people, that is why they are dominating the sports. They have by all measures moved mountains to make something of themselves. But whatever is going on in the Inner cities of Chicago, L.A, and other states is something that simply cannot be excused. The gang violence, the black on black crime, the single mother rates. That's on Black americans, and YES, we can call that out. It does not negate their acheivements. Its simply critiscim. African nations also have to take accountability for their corruption, lack of excellence, and laziness here and there. And there is nothing wrong with saying that. As long as America, and UK hold immigrants to a higher standard in education, manners and general lifestyle requirements, we will ALWAYS out perform any community we find. To bring it all together , everyone regardless race, gender, and history, who does not take advantage of the opportunities they are exposed to , to build the best life they possibly could loses the right to reject criticsm. ARE BLACK AMERICANS IN AMERICA AND AFRICANS IN AFRICA DOING THEIR VERY BEST?, IF NOT , THEN LETS ALL CALM DOWN AND KEEP WORKING HARD. Getting angry and immigrants will not change your story (this works for both Immigrants to the west and immigrants to africa). This is the mindset I think Antoine keeps talking about. This point supercedes race, history and gender. It looks at individual accountability. We must hold ourselves to the highest standard. AND NO ONE IS TOO FRAGILE TO TAKE CRITICSM. END OF RANT.
I would not say its simply African Americans, its black, white, Spanish.......its in every culture.....I know lots of black Americans who grind day and night, who have a better business mind and open to change.......vs .....I know Jamaicans🇯🇲 who are dam lazy. Top performers performs anywhere in the world.
The solution to Black people problems is to create your own businesses. Create your own clothes and shoes. Stop buying designer clothes and shoes. Black people help each with employment. The system in which we live is pushing the Black man and woman to fight to live. Do not waste your money and time. Find all your talents; keep educating yourselves; everything we learn can be used for survival. “ If God is for us, who can be against us ? “ ( Romans 8:31 ) We know that God is for us because he sent his one and only Son to die for us and redeem us.
LOL, what's so funny and sad.......Afri-Americans look at Africans like they are white and Africans look at Afi-Americans like they white, when they are in the others country. Yeah we don't understand the others experience in their own country due to colonizers, occupiers, enslavers, etc. Yes we got to do something about our situations, talk, trade, co-exist.
African Americans migrated to West Africa Nigeria, Ghana and Liberia in the 1800s and absolutely dominated of the most weathly Nigerian families is African American descent who gained massive wealth in Nigeria
this is ahistorical nonsense, the richest families in nigeria are most definitely not of “african american descent” . & these “african americas” you speak of are called krios, saros etc and they certainly didn’t think of themselves afram in the same sense you’re using it. they were a mixture of recently enslaved west africans in the slave ports of north america/south america/carribean who sought to come back to the homes they remembered
I really dislike hearing people, especially Black people, focusing on common negativities. Every culture has go getters and slackers. Yes we have opportunities in America that are not taken advantage of. And you have your own country…no continent…and your people are not consistently running that. So let’s be mindful about our generalizations and feed what we want to grow.
They should stay STUCK in POVERTY then for not HUMBLING THEMSELVES to LEARN BETTER. #PRIDE comes before the FALL. Reason Africa will NEVER be united. #PRIDE
Oh please!! You can't compare a population of 50 AA to a billion Africans. Majority of people who are poor in the US are AA. Tons of AA neighborhood are riddled with crime and poverty.
No problem with black foreigner it all my people however western business strategies are extremely predatoral when it comes to business hopefully they dont carry that to ghana.
They wouldn't even have a chance in America if it wasn't for the sacrifice of black people here in the states. They don't have our struggle most immigrants that come over here not broke either. They don't face half the struggle we do. Yet we still thrive despite the stereotypes and on paper crap of income.
You wouldn’t even be able to travel to Africa if it wasn’t for our ancestors who fought against colonialism and you don’t even know our struggles either so keep on being the only victims who think they have suffered the most while you can’t even make it in Africa while we have managed to survive.
I think many people lack direction. When you lack direction you become stagnant. When you become stagnant you appear lazy. The truth is, you just need direction. Once your direction is decided, you then can blaze your path and won't appear lazy. 👍🏾
For generations, we have had many powerful leaders who directed us, but every time we make progress, they were killed by the yt and powerful, and our accomplishments were burnt and destroyed. What we need is reparations...
@@fabianparson3378 I don't expect a thief to pay for what he has stolen no more than I expect a cheater to win through honesty... Thieves are thieves, and swindlers are swindlers... at least that is what to Bible says. But you are probably not a man of God, so I would expect you to understand...
The title of this video should be vice versa. Why on this panel aren't there Africans like us who have lived/worked/studied married in the diaspora? I'm Kenyan and some of these perspectives aren't shared here we are practically self-made despite having bare minimum natural resources. Now try "mopping the floor" in Nairobi, Lagos, or Johannesburg.
Perfect cities to name, oshay went to Kampala with a 1 to 3700 exchange rate so of course you can mop the floor easier there but like you said try that in Cape Town, Johannesburg, Durban, Nairobi, or Lagos the truth is he couldn’t so he’s just stirring division for money while in Uganda
@@gbjones9465 I don't Oshay is stirring division as much as he is starting a dialogue. We have to start somewhere, and sharing your perspective is an excellent way to do it. I hope he sees your comment and give it intelligent consideration.
@@gbjones9465 I don't think he's doing it deliberately but out of ignorance. These people play the victim at every corner. I'm surprised a jamaican is sitting there and listening to this bs bc these americans say the same shit about the Caribbean people they say about Afrucans. They're always the victim no matter what lol.
I'm an African immigrant and this topic creates a false equivalency. The immigrants that come from Africa are mostly college students, work permit holders, or come from at least upper middle class backgrounds. So it's unfair to compare that subset with the entire FBA group. Newsflash, in Africa we also have a giant population of "lazy" people, etc. And not all of us dislike American black people. Most of us were influenced by their culture, and we love them. Free game stay away from hateful Africans and hateful black Americans. They're all 1 cesspool of ignorance.
beautiful comment!
I'm glad a fellow African spoke on this. I appreciate it brother
As an African American I approve this message. But would also add hateful Carribeans to the group to be avoided
@wezhira2007 I don’t really agree that the majority of African immigrants are college educated or upper class citizens before moving to the US; I’m an international student myself and I spoke with a lot of African immigrants and a good portion of them are really struggling in America as we speak.
The comparison is in relationship to the base line of opportunities.
I am an African immigrant from Uganda 🇺🇬. Started from a University in Alabama but have lived the last 13 years in Los Angeles. I have too much respect for black Americans, the mental toughness required for them to remain sane in this country is admirable. For us black immigrants come to this country with already a sense of who we are,even if from poverty. A. Child born in this country will face systemic racism from day one , growing up they see so much negativities that’s is meant to crash their spirits. You turn on a tv and you will see so much negativity directed at black peoples. This has been going on for generations that it has actually succeeded in defeating the spirit of some . But black Americans have risen over all the obstacles to create the most vibrant cultures . Talk of fashion, music, movies, sports etc
Glad you know and put it out there
I agree as a Kenyan living in MN.
I'm a Kenyan living in the UK and I agree with you. I have so much respect for black people who live in western countries. It's not easy.
Thanks brother - this title of the Vlog is certainly misleading. We are all in this together, dividing us is not the answer. Your comment was more the norm than what this one person had to say that was negative in the Vlog.
Amazing comment 👏🏾
This man is soooo off the course !
I am African American who worked 2 jobs through college up to PhD level!! It sickens me to hear Africans and African Americans lump all of us as lazy in order to push themselves on a fake pedestal...African Americans are some of the hardest working people in this USA
Let's be real he even had to ignore himself to talk that talk.
Im with Oshay on this one. Anton was speaking reckless on this subject. And had no statistical base to lead to his conclusion...
Anton is usually speaking reckless. He’s an idiot.
Anton is on some 🦝 shit when it comes to the Black American.
Anton is a idiot who thinks he is better than the average black person, had to stop getting notifications from that 🦝
Anton ***claims*** to be a millionaire and that is all the expertise he needs on any topic.
People should stop confusing opinion with fact. Also, Africa is not a country, and there are different black cultural and economic classes in both the United States and every single country in Africa. Some people are simply not respectful regardless of immigrant status or citizenry. There are dumb people in every creed, race, ethnicity, color, and national origin. We're all humans.
My friend still remembers fleeing from Northern Uganda with nothing on his feet. He now owns 100 acres of land and several properties back home. He works as an auditor and a warehouse worker (16 hr days) in Europe and is currently in the process of building a school for the local community while supporting a Ugandan wife and 3 kids. The hunger is different when you come from nothing.
most of yall came from nothing and still have nothing. the hunger obviously isnt that much different.
Comparing immigrants that were at least middle class in their struggling country to around 95% of the population of another group of people in their native country is not a good argument. If their culture was so superior than it would reflect in accomplishment of their home country and they most likely wouldn't have left in the first place.
DING DING DING! They don't understand that this "Lazy" argument is actually used against Black People Globally. Willfully letting the enemy stoke your ego so he can more easily exploit your native resources is morally backwards, they don't understand that though many times.
Yall say this all the time, but it's not true. A lot of poor folks from Africa migrate to the U.S., not just middle class.
@@martinseboma8679 Where is your proof of that and from which African countries do alot of poor Africans come from to America? The vast majority of poor africans are more likely to go to places more closer to Africa like the middle east,Europe or another African country. Most poor Africans aren't going to get accepted in America as easy as those other places and they won't be able to afford a plane ticket to America in the first place. A ticket to Africa from America is one of the most expensive tickets costing around 1000$ for Americans so I'm sure it's expensive for Africans to come here.
Extended family members sell properties and land to send their relatives to school in America. You know that whole "it takes a village" saying y'all just casually quote in America? Well, in Africa, it's LITERAL! some communities also have their local scholarships that send the Brightest kids to America. There's also asylum seekers. A whole lot of the emanated from war-torn African countries like Somalia.
@@martinseboma8679 I'm sure that happens but for the most part it's not Africans whose struggling that hard who end up being able to afford to come to America let alone being accepted in the first place. Being able to afford to live in America AND being ACCEPTED to live here is two different things because America has a stricter support of immigration than you think especially from African countries. Europe is more likely where most of the refugees will go plus Canada also takes in alot if not more African immigrants especially refugees from one of the poorest countries like Somalia.
I chuckled when the lady in the yellow said there are opportunities given to Black Americans that aren't given to the natives because we say the SAME thing about immigrants who come to the West. I have always tried to lovingly embrace my African brothers and sisters when I see them but for some reason, theirs a particular group of African women ( I am unsure of their country), who always turn up their noses at me, with the exception of Ethiopian women, Ethiopian woman has always been nice.
Man great episode Team Kenganda. This is the type of constructive dialogue we need!
We know this. Fba need to delineate and separate from black immigrants.
For what reason? Why don't you come on for an interview
@@Kenganda For black reparations from the start. The same reason we are separate if a black American go to Africa. They will be looked at as a black American and will not be able take the benefits from the Africa country he or she landed in.
@@Kenganda Fba deserve affirmative action and benefits for them only. Fba are making the same mistakes with black immigrants like y’all did with Latinos who turned on you.
@@natepolitics1490 but you can do both at the same time. Number one: African Americans can get reparations and still work with Africans and the Powerful Black Diaspora. We need the numbers to do more business and to work together. Both of these things can be accomplished at the same time.
@@Kenganda need the numbers?? What’s the population of Namibia Botswana Ghana Senegal again?? Compared to black Americans??
As an African, i believe that Any successful black African in America should be grateful for the sacrifices of African Americans because they are the reason for his success.
This idea ought to be interrogated - that lmmigrant success in America is due to the "sacrifices of African Americans" (mind you a significant percentage do not like to identify as AA). Because immigrants from Africa, Asia and other places do succeed in European countries. It is true that blacks fought for civil rights in America and got that codified into the law of the land, but they did not prevent all the other forms of discrimination that take place from con tinuing and immigrants succeeding in spite of it!
@@paulerick6001
There will be no civil rights for anybody in America Without the African Americans' sacrifices ESPECIALLY AFRICANS, Except for whites American same like in South Africans - NAKED FACT
@@paulerick6001 Non white Immigrants were not succeeding in bulk before Black Americans were able to push to codify civil rights. Were there exceptions, of course, but when you look at wealth building among Indians, Asians, Nigeria's, Mexicans, Cubans communities, that did not happen until after Black Americans led the charge to tear down Jim Crow laws. No one is saying Black Americans were giving these communities jobs BUT Blacks did attack and repeal laws that hurt many communities from success thus leading to their eventual wealth generation
Not just Africans all immigrants that come to America especially non whites ! Black Americans fought and some died for Civil rights for all in this country and we as a people don’t get that respect we’re looked at as lazy instead looked at as people who want to be treated good as white Americans! We’re not putting up with the disrespect
Yes, a thank you is in order from all immigrants actually
Even if Africans came to the UK a few generations afterwards it's not the young Carribeans who went through the struggle. I've studied in the UK, the Nigerians were the top performers in our class. Carribeans were a bit more laxed and that's no disrespect because Nigerians can be a bit excessive. They only value excellence. I personally found it inspirational and tried to keep up but I see how that attitude can rub people the wrong way.
Africans fought in world war 1 and 2 with the people from the Caribbean please read some history before making such comments. They have always been in the uk it’s not like they came after wards
@@sharonanthonique1255
The wartime workers and servicemen who arrived from West Africa predate the huge migration from the Carribeans. That's not the group I'm talking about, you're smarter than that.
@@kr3539what are you talking about because he main drugdealers gangsters and people that come here illegally all theough5 europe are west African immigrants and if you see a homeless black person they're never caribbean they are Nigerian or some other type of african. So your comment if your trying to imply that africans are more successful than caribbeans in the uk couldn't more further from the truth. Theirs a reason why africans are looked down depending on which parts of europe your in
@@kr3539
We are talking about 1511 in the 16th century I'm just pointing out that you said they came generations afterwards which is not true.
@@sharonanthonique1255
Different group, stop being difficult.
US Census black population 2023 ,47 million . Out of this Black from outside US 4.8 million . Black from US 42-43million . 1980 Black population from outside US 800,000 . White populations from outside US including Europe preferred than black and other populations historically . 75% of black from Africa moved to the US after 2000 . 43% moved after 2010 . Historically black from outside US mostly from Caribbean, South and Central America including Mexico ,Columbia ,Brazil, Jamaica, Belize, Panama etc . Black from Caribbean ,Central, South America 2 million .
Total Black population from Africa in US 2.1 million . Black population Africa 1.3 billion . Population from North Africa in US 1 million . Total Population Africa continent 1.46 billion . THIS TOPIC IS A NON-ISSUE . BLACK POPULATION FROM OUTSIDE US INSIGNIFICANT . 2.1 million black from continent vs a population of 1.3 billion with over 54 countries . 2.1 million black from continent in US vs 43 million black from US . 400,000 Nigerians in US vs 215 million Nigerians . 357,000 Ethiopians in US vs 120 million Ethiopian population . MOST BLACK IN US FROM CONTINENT COME FROM LESS THAN 5 COUNTRIES OUT OF 50+ .
Black in US have more pressing problems . Only 24% black millennial married compared to more than 80% in 1950 . Less than 30 % of black adult population married . 70% black children single parent . At least 30% of married black men inter- racial . Black men 6% population 33 % prison . Black 14% population 38% prison . Median black women wealth $1700 .
I like people that comment with facts. Big ups to you...
As much as it hurt to read your facts, I appreciate you posting them. Those are the things that needs to be discussed more often. We need to discuss the cause(systemic racism), the effects(your facts), and most importantly the resolutions.
Well said! Always focussing on non issues. People living their lives being harrassed.
Thanks much for the stats!!!!! These are irrefutable facts that need to be used more often…So often there are these Pro Nigerian Channels that constantly brag that they’re the best at everything!!!!!! When in reality their numbers in America are insignificant and they should stop claiming they are more successful than Black Americans!!!!!! Nonsense!!!!!!
Do Asian immigrants or European immigrants have respect for AAs? Do AAs have respect for African immigrants? Respect goes both ways.
That's the part they don't talk about. As a matter of fact, because of media depiction, many AAs believe Africa is a jungle & Africans live in huts & therefore, not socially current thinkers, many AA think Africans are dumb, so they want to be OVERLY RESPECTED/CODDLED by Africans & even when possible they try to exploit Africans & more often than not, Africans bend over backwards to please/placate/ignore them, but it's still not enough cos they're insatiable. U can see these examples in the workforce, AA & African marriages etc.
No, I do not have any respect for African immigrants(black immigrants). They should stay where they are!
i love love when Tina is at the podcast......she brings out different perspective
I like Tina too. May the Most High keep her.
Oshay himself knows deep down from his heart how he used to treat black immigrants especially Africans.
Talk shit about them? I talk shit about Everybody and anybody. So try again
@@Kenganda Africans don't show their love by disrespecting others. The reason there's a big disconnection between black immigrants and black Americans is because black Americans don't hide(chini ya maji) their hate towards other black immigrants.
@@okunyujulu8463 And they dont hide their hate towards us which is very true.
@@sweetonyxakararegem692 hate and racism are parts of American culture and religion.
No you’re part of the reason why there’s a disconnect because you can’t get over the past. Everyday Oshay is putting in effort to try to get the whole black diaspora connected so why don’t u give him credit for that. Let’s get over all the petty shit and work on things that are important.
What I hate is when Blk foreigners make judgments about FBAs work ethics when they don't understand American workforce politics. FBAs must put up with a different kind of racism than Blk foreigners. We are faced with yt micro-aggressions all day, no matter how hard we work, while making less than our yt counterpart for the same position. As a retiree from a fairly good position, it was hard to deal with the fact that my co-worker, who was hired ten years after I had been employed, started out making twenty-thousand dollars more a year. I had to train her how to do the same job I had been doing. If the benefits were not so good, and had I not had other financial advantages, I would probably have quit. In the space of time of my employment, I had three bosses. The first and third were monsters, but the second boss was so impressed with my performance that he increased my salary. Under his direction, I received plaques, trophies, time off awards, and cash awards, so it can’t be said that I was not an exemplary employee. Most yt employers pay their yt employees more than FBAs employees, and the FBAs employees more than foreign Blk employees. Nevertheless, I still made less than the yt co-worker whom I trained. I fear FBA youth have given up. Not many are as lucky as I was. Despite my resentments, I was one of the very few Blk employees in the agency in which I worked, which had four huge divisions. I would not have gotten the position had I not known someone who knew someone, regardless of my education, work ethic, and resume. It is difficult to be motivated while being harassed when there is little to no reward or potential for growth. These things are intentionally done to us to provoke disenfranchisement. While prior generations knew this as a way of life, our youth are not as accepting of such treatment. FBAs are responsible for America's rise in power and know we are at least owed equal pay for equal work. Our youth experience these inequalities and are disenfranchised. They find it hard to tolerate and see no change in sight. Blk foreigners come here to work and because they make more in America than they did in their country, they are grateful. The following clip shows an immigrant who found out.
(th-cam.com/users/clipUgkx5adWkvKYa5_2Ps8rVA1XRhiyMITYwpb3 )
After all, their plan is to work and save and return home with a fist full of Yankee dollars where the value is sometimes double. FBAs don't have such options, so they don’t have the same vision. Blk foreigners don't realize that yt people hire them because they will work for less without complaint, as they are unaware that they are being cheated. Yt people know it is wrong, but they also know that Blk foreigners give them the best bang for their buck. It makes it so difficult for FBAs to get hired or secure equal pay for equal work when yt employers will hire Blk foreigners before a FBAs because he doesn't have to pay them as much. FBAs have been fighting the good fight for generations, and our youth don't see where it will ever get any better. They don’t see the point of working two and three jobs when it is still impossible to pay bills. Blk foreigners are just getting here. After a while, they will understand. That train is never late.
I'm African living in the US and this right here is the gospel. People haven't realized how much African Americans have to deal with in their own country. The war on them is so covert you can't see it if you don't put your ears to the ground.
That's why I tell my friends, wherever you are working make sure to learn all you can and be ready to replicate that very same business because your employers are ready to replace you at the drop of a hat. China got this far by copying and pasting technology from advanced nations including America. If they can do it so can we.
@@alveem7295 Thank you. Until you see them, the antics of yt supremacy are difficult to identify unless you are their target. The one thing they are very good at is dividing and conquering. Shalom
I'm an African born and raised in Europe, I can't relate to your narrative. Speak on your own people but don't just assume Africans got it like that. Where I live 99.9% are refugees. My parents came here as refugees and moved back home after 20 years because of the same struggles you talk about. Tragedy struck and now I'm stuck providing for my sick mother and brother who's currently in college (my father barely made it 5 years before he was murdered back home). I'm grossly underpaid considering my qualifications but I don't use that as an excuse for why I'm not where I'm supposed to be. When I couldn't get a job I went abroad and acquired the qualifications needed yet when I came back I was pigeonholed in an entry level job where I'm earning scraps. I'm damn near pushing 40, living in a tiny ass apartment because my salary ain't enough yet You're trying to tell me that Africans got it easy. Foh, I ain't trying to hear none of that. My parents left before I even graduated high-school so I started off in a group home. Everything I earned was because of my own blood, sweat and tears. Every single one of my close friends got murdered family members but we still push through. Some of us made it, others didn't. I survived an attempted murder, then 6 months down the line got news that my father got murdered only for my homie to get murdered 2 months afterwards. That was in between trying to balance my studies abroad in England with no moral support (I'm not a native speaker). Every time I went home shit popped off in my neighbourhood until I stopped entertaining the bullshit. I've got PTSD from the shit I've seen but I still wake up every day and go to work because that's what a man's supposed to do. Suckers get caught in the streets. You can blame the system all you want but the truth is that a lot of ngs are too cool for school, those are the ones being called lazy.
They been using immigrants as a weapon towards black Americans since we got freedom and then again after civil rights
They use any type of propaganda to beat you
@@kr3539 Where did I speak on any other experience but MY OWN, of which I am qualified to do? Clearly, you did not understand my comment, for if you had, you would have understood that I was speaking about my own experience as that of a FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICAN with foreigners who come to AMERICA. If you looked at the included TH-cam video, you would have seen the Somalian refugee who came to AMERICA and who validated my comment. The global Diasporan problem is that some of us within the Diaspora feel the need to be combative with others in order to rank as superior by making the point that theirs' is a different experience, rather than accepting the shared information as a point of education. That is exactly one of the effects of yt supremacy, which works best when some in a group think that they are better than others. By refusing to acknowledge the experiences of others as such, they discount those experiences, and somehow they think it makes them superior. However, yt people see us all as one and the same. This is why we suffer globally from racism and why we will never get rid of it. Shalom
I love the woman with the yellow shirt speaking facts. It looks good to help the poor African. It doesn’t look good to help the poor black American. I saw a ton of African kids get a full ride to undergrad and grad school while black American kids had to drop out because they didn’t have money. Either way, message to all immigrants is the same. America is the only country that allows immigrants to come here and talk sh** about countrymen, especially black countrymen, and that tolerance needs to stop. In no other country can immigrants sit around insulting countrymen without being told to go home
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If you are not hardworking please don’t come to Nigeria, don’t compare us to anyone, we are goal getter, we work very hard please just stay in Uganda 🇺🇬.
Man if I come there the same thing will happen in nigeria. You can't name many podcasts as well produced as ours in Nigeria. If I come there I will also do very well. I will also succeed in your market.
@@Kenganda I actually don't think so, tbh, I think the same channel format would struggle. Nigerians don't like to always be left in a toxic space after a discussion. I think they don't enjoy the complaining as much as this channel can generally promote sometimes( although they do love to complain and moan, too, lol).
You just can't leave them there in that space.....every episode.
Nigerians like humour during discussions even if it's about a serious subject. That is a Naija coping mechanism. They don't enjoy the blame game and fault finding as much. At some point solutions have to be introduced too.
I checked out a few Nigerian podcasts (very briefly) and even with heavy subjects, I found them less negative overall and did not follow a "them versus us" /finger wagging format. They seem not to be simply a collection of accusations, basically
We are listening in totally riveted KENGANDA Team!! I can’t wait to connect on the Ugandan front. We didn’t connect when we were there but on the next round….the collaboration is a must for us. #repatpodcast #1 🎉🫶🏾🏆
Thank you sister
There was a whole civil rights era where we fought for all diasporans to have opportunities in America.
Most black immigrants didn't get to america until the 1980s
We built america #ados
Do African Americans themselves respect African immigrants in the US? I wish you had immigrants on the podcast who have lived in the US and can testify about the treatment. Americans on the continent you got the privilege and respect in Africa which African immigrants don’t have in the US🤔
You haven't even watched it yet you are speaking. Alot of you people in the comments start commenting before even seeing the podcast please watch the entire episode then speak.
africans and african american get along very well sir
@@STREETMEDIATV215 especially because you buy sandals from them
@@Kenganda such topics need a live stream, I thought it. Was a live stream but it does not take away the fact that I have said. Americans are more respected if not adored in Africa than African Americans who tell African immigrants to go back home accusing them of taking their jobs after selling them.
Sorry to generalize but the slavery card is played a lot and most of them blame immigrants for some things that took place 400yrs ago.
It is a misconception that Africans are poor, they may be paper money poor but they can survive and most have land, it is a high time we define poverty. There is a lot of poverty and homelessness in the US, also pple who have never seen the airport or been in the city. Most Africans are humble and they don’t talk big, which may be translated into low self esteem which maybe cultural respect.
@@AC-fp6mx lmfao...stop trying to create division. Are you even apart of the diaspora? Stop trolling and let us build.
I am an African, South African to be specific, I live and work in the US, educated and a very nice person I should believe, a Pan Africanist and a lifetime student of history and geopolitics. I came to the US very much aware of the oppression of Black Americans in the hands of white supremacist power structure, to me, the Black American experience was almost similar to Black/indigenous South Africans, now, I said all of that so you understand my background and my mindset coming to the US, I however had a rude awakening in my first couple of months, I was hated by Black Americans, called names and to my surprised, I was loved by white Americans, they were the ones who befriended me, helped me and even at the hospital I worked at, the Black American woman had issues with Africans but the white Americans loved us. My experience is very common amongst Africans who live in the US, both my friends are West Africans, a Nigerian who is an engineer and a Senegalese who is a physics professor both young guys like me, they both told me horror stories. Black Americans must stop pretending that Africans must sympathize with them when they are the ones who hate Africans and they do so even when Africans extend a branch of love, the Black Americans especially the Black American woman, want us to love them unconditionally but hate us for being Africans and see us as a competitor, to them, we are their soft target.
Lastly, I find it very unfair that the American gentlemen here is not bringing African people in his platform who are knowledgeable and educated on these matters, instead he is discuss an issue that involves all Africans an and he brings his employees to pretend as if those employees represent the mindset, views and experiences of Africans living in America, he brings his African employees so they can agree with everything he says to appease to his American audience. The people who will loose the most are Black Americans because by listening at the guest here they will not learn any serious lesson.
I need to add this, there has been a lot of Black American TH-camrs who insults Africans, Americans such as Anton Daniels and Tariq Nasheed and this guy from American has not really spend time to condemn those American clowns but has the time to lecture us Africans, I take exception to that.
Thanks for telling the honest truth. It's the "hurt people, hurt people syndrome..." & bcos they believe there's no repercussion for behaving negatively towards Africans who they believe are lower than them on the totem pole. The most profound part of what you shared is "Black Americans must stop pretending that Africans must sympathize with them when they are the ones who hate Africans and they do so even when Africans extend a branch of love, the Black Americans especially the Black American woman, want us to love them unconditionally, but hate us for being Africans and see us as a competitor, to them, we are their soft target." I see it all the time, that when given the opportunity, African Americans will treat Africans worse than whites do them, because that's what they understand power dynamics when tilted in their favor to be used for based on their lived example with whites...
@Gedeni, I agree with you. I find him to be fake, toxic and divisive. He uses this podcast as a way to insults Africans and make fun of us and pretends that it's just a "discussion". Plus, his hosts does what he tells them to do and blindly agrees with him because they are scared of getting fired. How can he talk about the Africans living in the diaspora without those African being present to discuss?? He picks a "topic" about Africans in the diaspora and brings continental Africans who have never set foot outside of Africa to discuss on the panel. A average African in Africa has no clue how black American treats African.
From South Africa, where are you from? and what tribe? i just want to make sure that you not a Zimbabwean claiming to be a South African simply because this is what foreigners say about us. Your tribe, were you grew up from and why is your name not sounding like a black South African as well
Well said!!!😂😂😂
Let’s say I was a Zimbabwean, then what, does that take away the message I was trying to put across?, stop your xenophobic mentality here. Ngiyabona ukuthi umthetho wakho uyadelela. Lento oyikhuluma lana kule zindawo zokuqumana ngeke ukulhuluma kumina ngikubhekile. Futhi lento yakho yokudelela abokuhamba ngeke isebenze lapha kimi. Stop your stupid attitude. I can tell that you grow up in the township that is why you have a poor mindset. Uyadelela mfana. For your knowledge, am Zulu and my mother is Swati which is really the same thing but you wouldn’t know that because you are some thug from township with no culture and respect.
My grandmother was a school lunch lady. She was able to retire and live off her pension and social security. A lot of us are not going to receive social security and the pension won’t support us until we die.
The average African immigrant comes to America with no resources and has to do a lot of work to come to America it’s not the same the an American moving to Africa with a 6 figure salary and easily getting a visa. There’s a privilege coming from America and their other rich countries
Not really
@@corieydadon yes really
Your coming from a rich country into a poor country. Your dollars also go farther.
@@legendaryking913 petty
Your talking to someone who has never travelled
You see how the tribes treat each other in Africa?? Lol
You see how they shoot each other in every hood without the tribes?
@Richard K The difference is...those are criminals not the majority or culture
@@richardk5705different
@@richardk570550 people aren’t dying one time in the hood at once. Let’s be real here
@@richardk5705 LMFAOO you really tried to compare??
Here in America if you don't work Uncle Sugar will take care of you. In Africa, if you don't work you don't eat. There's a big difference between having a social services net and not having a net. The new immigrants are motivated, disciplined, and searching to be a success. They don't see the limitations that our citizens see. There are different cultures within Africa. It's a big continent.
I don't particularly care for Anton. I think he oversimplifies things to the point of being a detriment for our community, and also, I think he over generalizes. I like Oshays and Maintains opening take. It's all relative. It can easily be reversed. Why are we always trying to point out the downside of things we do or don't do? Let's focus on the solutions people. I tell my team in the management world, don't come to me with problems, if you come to me problems, also come with a solution. We can work with that.
Having an opinion that is different from an indigenous black American does not indicate that you have disrespect for them. After all your opinion could be based on ignorance (lack of knowledge) or upbringing or cultural or something else. Let's consider that black Americans have the worst stereotypes of Africans and Africa and which often manifests as disrespect. So, maybe we need to be more patient with each other and maybe ask questions like, "What do you mean by that"? "Explain what you just said to me."
I'd like to expound on this Topic as a someone who has had the opportunity to live life on both spectrums being a 1st gen American. It's a misnomer that FBA's/ADOS are lazy because what immigrants call opportunity can be classified as exploitation to an ordinary American citizen. Immigrants make basic USD wages while living a very basic life in the US, they'd then send that basic wage back home and are able to build an upper class life because of exchange rate advantages, my mother's USD wages when converted was far more than the wage of her homeland's head of state. Juxtapose that to an American getting that basic wage but since he has no other home country his exchange rate is 1:1 & it's impossible for him to move upwardly with the same Job that immigrants accept in most cases. The extra expenses Americans pay e.g insurances etc is not experienced by most immigrants.
What I've come to realize is black people puts a hole lot more enthusiasm when working for outside of their race with a sense of obligation to prove that they are worthy, and are less enthusiastic with little to no feelings of having to prove themselves when it's their own people's, regardless what classification you may bracket them in,
I agree with the war bit 🙋🏽♂️.
Black Americans haven’t had a war of our own.
War is inevitable.
I agree with war if it is clean and all about conversations and prayer. Now if some have to duke it out, so be it, but guns are not allowed. We will no longer destroy one another but uplift one another and turn to our father in heaven.
The Gullah wars
@@sammie7641 Professor Gabriel Oyibo said war is about who’s the most intelligent. Not knowing you’re in a fight is the sure way to lose. Not fighting back is a sure way to lose.
@@corieydadon Qualifying my comment further, we’ve not had a war as self determined people/nation
@@the6thregionthen you must not understand what the Gullah wars were really about..
Salary /flat payments tend to create lazy attitude towards work
But hourly payments pushes for more attitude towards work.
The more you work the more you earn.
Love your programs>>Thanks
It's still a cap on how much you make that's what Americans are tired of especially those that know they are meant for more
Oshay, I like what you’re doing 💪🏾 great response as well
It all depends on the mental state of the individual not where you come from. It's more of where you are and the Environment.
Immigrants should automatically have respect for Black Americans because if it weren’t for us they wouldn’t even be allowed to migrate here. Particularly immigrants of a darker skin tone!
😂😂😂 automatic respect? this god complex attitude you have for Africans to revere you is why you're unlikable. whites did more for African immigrants to settle in America, facts. not you.
great show as always . Love this podcast .
41:14 👍🏿so lets ease up on the "whos mopping who" talk and put more "lets come together and here are some opportunities i see in Africa that athe diaspora can help with" talk. We have enough forces of division
I dont understand why we keep trying to separate and differenciate ourselves. We all come from the same ancestral roots. Lets not help the colonizers and slave traders with their quest to keep us separated.
It's cuz ur lazy bro...u don't work hard...no one respects lazy people
They’re separated in Africa
@BNB exactly big time. African Americans are the only black group that's united.
@@natepolitics1490 lol United that's funny
@@natepolitics1490 United where?
Great podcast
Akon hired an American construction company to build his Crypto city in Senegal . The Nigerians are one of if not the most successful minority in America . I will say the grass is not always greener on the other side although it can be . America is still the land of opportunity however emerging markets present opportunity as well . Bottom line there is opportunity everywhere if you open your eyes and look for it
The solution is, you have to really! really! want to be successful to make it anywhere . And the ones who want it most and are willing to pay the price ,will always make it
How many benefits and hand-outs do immigrants receive when they come to the US? 🤔
You are right Oshay. Most Jamaican immigrants, when they come to the US there is no help for them outside of themselves or family members so you had better work two jobs or work and go to college, especially if you did not come from mega wealthy family where your parents can fully support you. First of all America is no easy kettle of fish. If you don't work in America you don't eat, and if you don't have extended family here to give you a helping hand God help you. You also can't come here to slouch off, and live off your family either. You had better push it and ask God to bless you with health and strength, and you do whatever you need to do go to school and support yourself. Fist of all you can't go to the government for help because in order for you to get your Green Card to live here in the US permanently, the agreement that is made is that you CANNOT get aid from the government. The person who sponsored you has to take that responsibility. I am speaking of Jamaicans only, I don't know about anyone else. If you come here as a teacher or nurse, or other professional back in the day, then you get sponsored thru your employer/sponsor yourself so you therefore depend on your own resources. I don't think that sort of thing exist anymore. You could come here as a teacher or nurse, back in the day when there was a shortage in those professions. In fact they went to the island to recruit. Same thing happened to the nurses from the Philippines. I certainly respect my African American brothers and sisters. I look at them as being privileged because they are Americans. They are the trend setters. We as Jamaicans have no help here, but the help of God, and I appreciate the graciousness of African Americans. Some of us came here for college and soon get caught up in life, making friends, going to college, getting married and having children who are now Americans, and so America now becomes your home. Peace and many blessings.
Sorry but I am not looking for approval from anyone! I am my own man and I do things my way.
Fearing what you have to offer is the best statement. I find I have that problem also.
Thank you for this perspective.
Africa is great place to live in if you are financially secure.
Oshay you are an African by Ancestral rights and American by birth right.
No we are negroes by ancestry and Americans by history not by birth right anybody born in USA is a American by birth right we talking historically American from the beginning of the country of united states
Sometimes we get so involved referring to African Americans at the bottom of the food chain that make no effort to elevate themselves from the bottom of the food chain that we sometimes forget to specify we are not talking about all African Americans. When we forget to specify all African Americans are not lazy, unwilling to work hard, or elevate themselves. It is we are programmed by the media to focus on the lower class and the criminals and not realize all the African Americans who graduated from Ivory League Universities, Black African American billionaires (and the tens of thousands of millionaires) most who are self made. And now we can add African American President to the ranks, African American doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc. Additionally, all countries, all races, all cultures have people living on the bottom of the food chain with no aspiration to elevate themselves.
If our Caribbean grand parents and great grandparents came over to the west with a business, live to work mindset like other groups did we wouldn't be in last place now. These people had a live for the weekend, half arse approach to life and it filtered down to us, unfortunately. People we have to be serious about life.
Opportunity is in the eye of the beholder. Africans and African Americans shouldn't be criticizing each other. They both should realize that they each work hard and experienced and experience obstacles that may not be readily visible. Just keep in mind who sold who. Just because I'm a African American Caribbean doesn't mean I'm unaffected. Typical comments that I receive and don't appreciate are you're not really Black, or you're not like them irritate me because I see them really see them and know that they are not lazy but often tired of being mistreated, abused, stereotyped, and their efforts thwarted. It's amazing that during slavery African Americans were considered the hardest working, loyal people but after slavery they're just lazy. This nonsense needs to stop amongst us. We were one until dispersed amongst the globe and need to unite and stop the nonsense.
That’s slavery, who works 40hrs, they do that and where is the result. Not only that when they come over here how much government helps them; it’s not like they come over here and get benefits, let’s stop making it seem that they come here and private enterprises have programs that sponsors them here; then the government gives them grants. So let’s stop the talk of Africans come here with nothing and work hard it don’t work like that they are all getting help, they get housing grants education grants food grants all of these immigrants. Africans have been giving whole communities. So let’s stop it. They get benefits. Not hard work. We know this system now. As far as African Americans we work 12 to 16 hours a day. All this is uneducated people talking about USA immigration in America.
We respect them , if you tell them to stop playing victim they say you don't respect them, sheer hypocrisy.
I highly disagree with the woman in yellow regarding opportunities in the West vs. Africa. I just graduated from university as a dual major, and I'm starting another degree. I have noticed that companies in the US are giving opportunities to immigrants at a greater rate than they are giving opportunities to foundational Americans (race being omitted). If you have an accent, or you are a first gen, you will likely get the job. Even if you didn't do as well as someone who was born here. I hate to say it that way, but I worked on a project while in Uni, and the data was there to prove it. The opportunities for FBA to excel are not as readily available as people think they are. People always talk about DEI, a company can hire an immigrant to fill their DEI quota. FBA aren't the greatest beneficiaries of DEI.
Where can I read up on the success black Americans have had on the continent? Which magazines, books, or podcasts can I listen to because that would help many see the possibilities and opportunities on the continent.
What do people think success is in America?
Sure, doctors and other professionals can claim a good upper middle-class life, but that doesn’t necessarily make them successful and wealthy. They have to keep working to maintain a lifestyle.
Creating generational wealth and opportunities is what I’m aiming for. In other words, the ability to never worry about money.
Most people will never get those opportunities.
Great work guys 💯
We are not lazy we are just not doing the bullshit jobs and dealing with the disrespect that others will deal with because we are Americans! Especially black Americans because of our history in this country we don’t take disrespect very well and people here will take your hard work and carefree attitude for weakness!!!
Awesome work
What do you think would happen in reverse? If just the top 20% African-American's in fields of science, business, sports, entrainment & management, development, CEO's, General Managers, political advisors/leaders, educators, etc., moved together to an African country (or many other countries for that matter) and were given opportunity to collectively utilize their skills, knowledge, wisdom and expertise? What do you think would be the outcome?
Already happened many freed Slaves migrated to various West African nations such as Nigeria, Liberia, Ghana, Sierra Leone in the 1800s and they amassed massive wealth and power in fact today they are some of the wealthiest families in West Africa
Bullshit narrative, the majority of Africans who flee are either refugees or dirt poor. America is not the only country where Africans go.
@@mufasa2009 Great observation. Forgot about that!
The title is so generalising and untrue !
Where is Outabrian? That brotha is hilarious. I love when he and Jonita Maaya fights....LOL
The guy in the video speaking about not respecting Black Americans is a clown I'd like to ask a few questions of.
(1) If they're so smart you couldn't they accomplish in their countries as a majority what we did as a minority here?
(2) Why do they come here to be educated in schools Black Americans created but none if us ever go to schools created by them to educate us?
(3) Why is it that in a country where we are the minority and were being beaten and lynched daily, we had more influence in impacting making social advances for them than they ever had for us?
(4) Why is it that as a majority in their countries they have only recently learned to stand up to foreigners invading their countries like we've been doing for centuries?
(5) Why is it a continent of 54 countries full of Black people they can't muster up enough strength to it take over and do what 35 or 40 million Black Americans have done? Nigeria alone has 200 plus million Black Africans yet they allow themselves to be controlled by people who aren't even in their country.
(6) How is it that as majorities in their countries they can't even hold onto their own cultures and customs yet here in America we've created a culture that has become a global phenomenon?
(7) They need to know it's because of Black Americans that they're allowed to even be here. It's because of laws passed during 1965 and the many battles fought by Black Americans that they've been allowed to come here.
(8) I'd like to ask him why in countries where they are the majority none of them anywhere has built as many institutions of higher learning, or as many inventions as Black Americans
I had the opportunity once to experience what blacks in America are going through, and I can tell you categorically from those two days of experience that Black Americans are some of the best species of blacks in the world. The system blocked me for two days because my name was not white. This is why I am now Eric.
Not true working from separation and working for cheat labour is what Zimbabwes did in South Africa restaurant we have been surviving without them how did we do it
I feel like that is slowly changing:) I have experienced discrimination from many ppl from other BLK nations in the past; however they are start to warm up to me and becoming more open.
I believe it’s the realization that we are all ONE starting to sink in 🎉
Listen, us very successful ADOS, FBA’s, DO NOT REALLY CARE, PERIOD…. If you are an immigrant African, just do you, follow the rules the white man gave you or you will be deported…. We know you were told to separate from us, say negative things about us. It is ok. Maybe the 20% that are the Pookie’s and Rey Rey’s may be affected by your attitude, but us 80% that are successful and very successful, we are too busy making money, traveling around the world, to care about you or your issues, etc.. I don’t even associate with any immigrant. I am entirely too busy or traveling abroad after being double retired🙏🏽✌🏽✈️💰🇵🇭🇹🇿🇨🇴🇪🇹🇧🇷🇹🇭
Get your passports brothers and ✈️
The young woman that spoke Rachel gave good points but only if you are looking at it from an African stand point. Immigrants see the system of American but does not understand the allusion of it so they think we are lazy because we as americans know that a lot of it (the system) is a lie. But they are starving for opportunity and are so ambitious for a better life that they into the system and are going to find themselves eventually falling into it. African due come with a lot of value and pride in they tribe which is respectable. Also americans know that as the generations grow they will lose most if not of those morals, and that is what american does it takes your cultural values. Some americans are just learning the system that is also true and are doing the same as some immigrants but don't have the access at this point to obtain some levels of life. Most people are trying to move away from the system to build wealth on their on, which would leave a lot of jobs vacant. That would also leave a lot more jobs open for immigrants coming in to think american are lazy but truly they are just over the system.
For the first time i see that my blueberries, my veggies here in Germany coming from African countries....Africa has been stitched up by Western entities ready for the growth cycle that is swinging from China to Africa. They are just slurping up value out of nations and then moving on...so Africa will be rising for the next 20-30 years but who is really going to be running off with the loot, when the indigenous are fully employed but all commodities are being taken out of Africa to feed the West in their 15min cities...and though the standard of living (might) improve, the cost of living will make it feel like for the ordinary folk life is harder.
Respect is earned, what is all this fighting each other about
That's a lie, speak for yourself. Please stop creating divisions
African african competitive spirit lacking energy in the American workplace because from an early age, we were told we could not complete
Oshay, we ve a poultry association of ghana and most are local farmers. Yes us Ghanaian diaporans are doing it to but i wouldnt say the diasporans are running it.
I agree with ODJ one hundred percent
I just returned from Kampala. Yea, no. We need each other,
Oshay is a genious. I love his thinking authentic mind. This panel you are all so ridiculously awesome
🤔😐‼️🤓 Who noticed that the entire episode was then repeating each other’s points consecutively? 🤓 (maybe Tina and Jonita are waiting for women specifically to be called lazy🤔😁 Watch this: BOTH the motherland and diaspora are directly sabotaged in general and statistically it’s proven that any living being works greater with incentive‼️ ONE sentence lol 📚📖 BUT the bottom line is that the conversations, even if redundant, HAVE TO HAPPEN AMONGST US‼️ coupled with PROACTIVENESS‼️🤓 Watch then how power grows amongst us all ‼️ From NYC, love to all. Bless.
Kuhani is smart she always has good points
Oshay stay Hatin on Hispanic People but remember always remember the Americas is Indigenous people land and those Hispanic people are mixed with that indigenous blood, some more then others, they have gotten their land taken away from them , enslaved , before the enslaved subsaharan Africans got imported in to replace them because of lack of immunity to old world diseases, genocide from small pox, warfare and being pushed onto reservations in the middle of the desert in Arizona and California which is Mexican land, Mexico was free territory for runaway black slaves, Mexicans got hung in trees, Hispanic people did help build America, they are the original people of the continent, the Indians were code talkers in the war , they taught the American military about guerilla warfare, camouflage, sign language, the Mohawk Indians built the skyscrapers in new York because they didn't have fear of heights, USA military choppers, jets and weapons are named after indigenous Americans, America favorite food is Mexican food, everything you eat in America comes from us so next time you hate just remember you are on indigenous American soil and you eat our foods, I suggest you look up all the fruits and vegetables that are from the Americas, not even Italian food and the pizza you love to eat would be possible if it wasn't for the tomatoes that are indigenous to Peru , you better respect Hispanic/indigenous People, don't oshay love Hispanic women? Well I love Hispanic women and west African women like the one at the far right in the red Blazer, she is a Rica Mamacita ayayay
Does anyone know where Maintain's family is from? He always acknowledges the Caribbean, but not the country. It's like someone saying I'm from Africa. Thank you.
Jamaica, he's said it in a few episodes
@@clare_jordin Thank you. I never heard him say it.
Sorry peeps correction my Father is from Dominica & my Mother is from St Kitts & Nevis
@@DjMaintain Thanks for the clarification, brother. Two big sounds to check out here in Atlanta, GA, Optimistique (Dominica) and Choice One (St. Kitts). I am Guyanese. The Caribbean vibe is wicked here in Atlanta, especially for Carnival. Blessings.
You’re welcome, I’m definitely going to check out those artists you suggested much appreciated. I didn’t know that about Atlanta that’s dope 👏🏾
Can we get a camera put on Rachel....I need to see my future Ugandan bride 💍😍
Were open to have the convos #ados
Wow, there is so much to unpack from this video, which was a great and stimulating discussion. For starters, laziness is a personal choice, not an African, African-American or problem specific to any one ethnic group. As a Guyanese, our people are very entrepreneurial. Academics are key for us, as it is for anyone from Guyana or the broader Caribbean/West Indies. We are skilled as electricians, plumbers, automotive mechanics, cooks/caterers, very adept in the construction and renovation space, and in any field which require our hands. If not vocationally gifted, we are pursuing multiple college degrees, up to doctoral level. Guyanese and Caribbean folks can make it anywhere, because we have that drive for success and making it in a foreign land. I know my African brothers and sisters are equally the same. Are there lazy Guyanese and Caribbean, absolutely, but this is not the majority. Some of us, unfortunately want to find ways to cheat a system. Americans are the same. Again, it is not the majority, anywhere. Maintain, being of Caribbean heritage, can relate, because he has seen his fellow Caribbean nationals build success in Britain. Tina, the same, as an African growing up in the UK has seen her fellow African Ugandans and Africans build success there. Success, as with laziness, is a state of mind. One has to be resourceful, disciplined, and have a desire to become successful. On the continent, as Oshay stated, he has to grind almost non-stop to achieve the success he desires. As an immigrant, no matter where you immigrate to, the grind is serious. Older folks who immigrate, have little chance to build long-term success for themselves, so they strategically build a life for their children, who become first/second generation immigrants. What has kept us back is the universal repression of African people. All over the world, even in Africa, Africans (Black people) have to struggle twice, three, four, five times harder than their Caucasian, Indian, Asian counterparts. The global attempt to suppress opportunities and the advancement of African people, even on the continent, is averted by the determined spirit to fight the oppressive system to make it. I immigrated at the age of 7. Now, at 54, I have four degrees and a very successful life, in terms of experiences. Yes, I have been in a system that cut short advance opportunities because of my Black skin. Yes, but I did not let that keep me from building the success I have. I can take this expertise to Africa, which is the plan, and use it to enhance systems on the continent. So, the immigrant status will be met with staunch oppression and racism, but despite all that, there are still pathways to success. On the continent, Africans must be able to see opportunities and build at home. As an individual, the struggle will be difficult. However, if communities galvanized talent and resources, things can develop, albeit slowly. What helps this realization is building with those in the Diaspora who want to share their knowledge. Africans at home must not look at their brothers and sisters in the Diaspora as the enemy or with envy. We must see opportunities to link and build together. Our brothers and sisters must be humble and not think we have to go to Africa to "show" Africans how to do things or to teach them. That level of arrogance only drives us further apart. The thought process should be let's use what you know and have, and let's use what I know and have. Put that all together for a productive collaboration. This is what Dr. Arikana Chiombore-Quao is doing with the One Wakanda Project. Building a massive Pan-African initiative. We can do it.
They can't make it in Caribbean since the islands are poor. They lack the infrastructure due to poor governance and bad culture.
@@martinvanburen4578 poverty has very little to do with it. It's a state of mind and matter of national pride. Yes, the socio-economic environment is not like that in the Wesat or Europe, but it's more the matter of a lust for corrupt behavior and the pervasive divide between ethnic and/or political lines which keep us underdeveloped. Also, there is the neo-colonial mindset of leaders who continue to think that everyone else is smarter and better equipped to develop us. How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, by Dr. Walter Rodney, was not only about Africa. It also discussed the manner in which we were left when physical independence materialized. China was poor and India, although experiencing poverty in many areas, has managed to build its country up on information technology and science. The Caribbean can do the same. First, reverse the brain drain, identify what needs developing, allocate resources toward those projects, and execute. However, if the mind is not conditioned to think progressively, poverty shall persist. Just like the brain drain, poverty can be reversed.
@@aetjr69 poverty always has to do with it, it literally affects how you grow up.
@@martinvanburen4578 Not always, but it does play a part. Corruption breeds poverty. If a nation uplifts its people, poverty should not be a problem. If government leadership continues to suppress its people, but only uplifts those in its support system, those outside the support system do suffer, socio-economically. They don't get access to the best schools, medical treatment, roads, basic needs. So, yes, that does force poverty onto a people, unfortunately.
What is all this "women don't respect" men in the US.
Don't get it, I'm married and good.
Good worker and family OG. The narrative being sold online is pretty much content from these social media nerds, trying to talk the race down. Antoine gets his ass kicked, and Oshay stays away in Poland and Africa and feels he's "different".
It's not about lazy for the most part. Every place and body has different work ethics. People in less developed countries generally work harder. They live a harder life...
I had to explain this to some Mexicans. I know my worth. I'm not working harder to get paid less. Never that! They work harder because it's normal. But they get paid better here. And plenty immigrants are lazy. Especially when the government gives them grants and other benefits. And lots of foreigners send money home. So they have to work harder living two lives.
Great conversation, but I worry that the genuine critiques are lost in the emotional arguments.
Racism and segregation in the 60s were horrible events and I empathise with the americans. But that era pales in comparison with what is happening in africa,
(the Sudan and south sudan wars, Somalia, CAR, Chad, Zimbabwe, LRA war, the Rwandan genocide, the unending murderous dictatorships in almost all African countries, Apartheid are things out of a horror movie.)
Every nation around the world has had a horrible history and we cant change that. And while I feel sorry for the our cousins in America , I think the generation born after the 80s only has themselves to blame for alot that is going wrong. This is a hill I will die on.
Laziness comes in all shapes and sizes, I think the Blacks in America are one of the most hardworking people, that is why they are dominating the sports. They have by all measures moved mountains to make something of themselves.
But whatever is going on in the Inner cities of Chicago, L.A, and other states is something that simply cannot be excused. The gang violence, the black on black crime, the single mother rates.
That's on Black americans, and YES, we can call that out. It does not negate their acheivements. Its simply critiscim.
African nations also have to take accountability for their corruption, lack of excellence, and laziness here and there. And there is nothing wrong with saying that.
As long as America, and UK hold immigrants to a higher standard in education, manners and general lifestyle requirements, we will ALWAYS out perform any community we find.
To bring it all together , everyone regardless race, gender, and history, who does not take advantage of the opportunities they are exposed to , to build the best life they possibly could loses the right to reject criticsm.
ARE BLACK AMERICANS IN AMERICA AND AFRICANS IN AFRICA DOING THEIR VERY BEST?, IF NOT , THEN LETS ALL CALM DOWN AND KEEP WORKING HARD.
Getting angry and immigrants will not change your story (this works for both Immigrants to the west and immigrants to africa).
This is the mindset I think Antoine keeps talking about. This point supercedes race, history and gender. It looks at individual accountability.
We must hold ourselves to the highest standard. AND NO ONE IS TOO FRAGILE TO TAKE CRITICSM.
END OF RANT.
I would not say its simply African Americans, its black, white, Spanish.......its in every culture.....I know lots of black Americans who grind day and night, who have a better business mind and open to change.......vs .....I know Jamaicans🇯🇲 who are dam lazy. Top performers performs anywhere in the world.
The solution to Black people problems is to create your own
businesses. Create your own clothes and shoes. Stop buying designer clothes and shoes. Black people help each with employment. The system in which we live is pushing the Black man and woman to fight to live. Do not waste your money and time. Find all your talents; keep educating yourselves; everything we learn can be used for survival.
“ If God is for us, who can be against us ? “ ( Romans 8:31 )
We know that God is for us because he sent his one and only Son to die for us and redeem us.
LOL, what's so funny and sad.......Afri-Americans look at Africans like they are white and Africans look at Afi-Americans like they white, when they are in the others country. Yeah we don't understand the others experience in their own country due to colonizers, occupiers, enslavers, etc. Yes we got to do something about our situations, talk, trade, co-exist.
African Americans migrated to West Africa Nigeria, Ghana and Liberia in the 1800s and absolutely dominated of the most weathly Nigerian families is African American descent who gained massive wealth in Nigeria
Don’t forget the part where they enslaved the locals in Liberia
@@sharonanthonique1255 False only slavery that took place in Liberia was indigenous selling themselves
this is ahistorical nonsense, the richest families in nigeria are most definitely not of “african american descent” . & these “african americas” you speak of are called krios, saros etc and they certainly didn’t think of themselves afram in the same sense you’re using it. they were a mixture of recently enslaved west africans in the slave ports of north america/south america/carribean who sought to come back to the homes they remembered
@@tonyeffik6781 a typical Nigerian response.
This is documented fact.
Saros, Krios etc definitely have African American ancestry.
Pipe down Jollof
I really dislike hearing people, especially Black people, focusing on common negativities. Every culture has go getters and slackers. Yes we have opportunities in America that are not taken advantage of. And you have your own country…no continent…and your people are not consistently running that. So let’s be mindful about our generalizations and feed what we want to grow.
They should stay STUCK in POVERTY then for not HUMBLING THEMSELVES to LEARN BETTER. #PRIDE comes before the FALL. Reason Africa will NEVER be united. #PRIDE
We didn’t ask for their respect, our single ethnic group is more accomplished that most of their countries anyway.
Oh please!! You can't compare a population of 50 AA to a billion Africans. Majority of people who are poor in the US are AA. Tons of AA neighborhood are riddled with crime and poverty.
No problem with black foreigner it all my people however western business strategies are extremely predatoral when it comes to business hopefully they dont carry that to ghana.
Proud to be Black and NOT African!
Proud to be Hamite not black
@@sharonanthonique1255 Well, some Africans are hamites
Good riddance
They wouldn't even have a chance in America if it wasn't for the sacrifice of black people here in the states. They don't have our struggle most immigrants that come over here not broke either. They don't face half the struggle we do. Yet we still thrive despite the stereotypes and on paper crap of income.
You wouldn’t even be able to travel to Africa if it wasn’t for our ancestors who fought against colonialism and you don’t even know our struggles either so keep on being the only victims who think they have suffered the most while you can’t even make it in Africa while we have managed to survive.
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I think many people lack direction. When you lack direction you become stagnant. When you become stagnant you appear lazy. The truth is, you just need direction. Once your direction is decided, you then can blaze your path and won't appear lazy. 👍🏾
You make a great point.
@@sammie7641 thank you.
For generations, we have had many powerful leaders who directed us, but every time we make progress, they were killed by the yt and powerful, and our accomplishments were burnt and destroyed. What we need is reparations...
@@rbailey3309 I hope you get your reparations.
@@fabianparson3378 I don't expect a thief to pay for what he has stolen no more than I expect a cheater to win through honesty... Thieves are thieves, and swindlers are swindlers... at least that is what to Bible says. But you are probably not a man of God, so I would expect you to understand...
The title of this video should be vice versa. Why on this panel aren't there Africans like us who have lived/worked/studied married in the diaspora? I'm Kenyan and some of these perspectives aren't shared here we are practically self-made despite having bare minimum natural resources. Now try "mopping the floor" in Nairobi, Lagos, or Johannesburg.
Perfect cities to name, oshay went to Kampala with a 1 to 3700 exchange rate so of course you can mop the floor easier there but like you said try that in Cape Town, Johannesburg, Durban, Nairobi, or Lagos the truth is he couldn’t so he’s just stirring division for money while in Uganda
Such an ignorant comment
@@gbjones9465 I don't Oshay is stirring division as much as he is starting a dialogue. We have to start somewhere, and sharing your perspective is an excellent way to do it. I hope he sees your comment and give it intelligent consideration.
@@gbjones9465 I don't think he's doing it deliberately but out of ignorance. These people play the victim at every corner. I'm surprised a jamaican is sitting there and listening to this bs bc these americans say the same shit about the Caribbean people they say about Afrucans. They're always the victim no matter what lol.
we built America. we don't have to try that. had yall built up your homelands you wouldn't have to either.