It’s really eye opening when Across the Spider-Verse can take an obscure villain like the Spot and make him more compelling than most MCU villains who are more well known
@@itstroy4145 That's not true, as I said before I'm not a fan of every villain, or of every movie for that matter. But there's a very good reason why so many none comic book fans embraced the MCU, and was tepid towards, or outright despised the DCEU. it's also why this video is and so many other clueless attempts to discuss the MCU's villain problem is laughable. It fans had such a problem with the MCU's villains, they would have stopped supporting their films, a decade ago, but guess what? their latest film Guardians of Galaxy 3, made over 800 million, and is one of the years highest grossing films. In fact the majority of Marvel's films are both critical and commercially successful. Including some of those films, where they "dropped the ball" but still made a billion or close to it. The heroes and their numerous interpersonal conflicts is what built the MCU, and time again the audience rewarded them for it.
Disagree, there's a difference between comprehending the logic behind something, and disliking the execution, or finished product, and not liking the finished product, when you're oblivious to themes, and narratives. A great deal of his critique, shows he's the latter.
In my experience a good villain should always overshadow the hero until the hero triumphs. There’s no reason why the hero should succeed in their first or second encounter. They should be knocked down in some cases further back than where they started. The Wolf in Puss in Boots literally kicks his ass, embarrasses him into retirement, and then gives him panic attacks throughout the film and then when Puss finally prevails it gets a huge rise from the audience. Not to mention the wolf has a memorable design and an unforgettable performance.
@@srstriker6420does the same thing, just in reverse. He’s beat down quite a bit in the beginning and not taken serially at all, only to later become a multiversal threat and feared by the hero’s. Sometimes the movies grow the villains as well as the heros.
The greatest villain is the one who can target the hero's greatest weakness. Because the hero has to exceed his limits to win. In puss in boots' case the villain literally was the one thing puss in boots feared after losing all of his other lives. So surpassing death of course got a huge rise of the audience.
Just so long as the villain doesn't immediately suffer a case of Third Act Induced stupidity/weakness because the plot demands they lose what put them on their winning streak to begin with.
Not just the wolf, but Goldie and Jack take turns stealing the wish map. I hate it when the other villains from the movie aren’t talked about, they’re just as good.
so glad someone is talking about the new thanos just not being the same. his past self was developed and loved the new one was just angry at people in his way not the avengers specifically
@@RedCommunistDragon I mean, I can forgive that change because it jad a point, Is pretty much like when Oliver spent 5 years on Lian Yu on arrow when in comics he only spent 2, Still I Agree it is a waste not using all the Chinese stuff in the Iron Man Mythos
Aside from Thanos and Loki, most of the MCU villains feel like beat ''em-up characters. It's really sad what the MCU did to Mandarin, Ultron, Malekith, Ronan, and other villains. There's something truly wrong with your franchise when Green Goblin (Villain who hasn't been seen since 2002) ends up surpassing basically every villain you've introduced aside from the big two.
@@godzillaisbetterthenyou9762 What really pisses me off is how Vulture never appeared in No Way Home. He could have sided with Spiderman since he was no longer at odds with Peter, but nope, they rather he appear in Morbius.
@@BrandonTBlackwell yeah that wasn’t a good idea honestly: but I do hope he appears on the future, maybe he teams up with Morbius or maybe he does his own thing
I think that Endgame Thanos is honestly less of an inconsistent portrayal, and more of a mask-off sort of portrayal. Behind all of his self-sacrificial rhetoric and justifications for his actions, what he really wanted was to be proven right. To show everyone that his way works and that he knew what was best all along. His actions aren't noble, they're an extension of his ego. When he's proven to be wrong, when his actions are shown to negatively impact the universe, he can't accept it and doubles down. If the universe won't recognize that he was right all along, then he'll create a reality where it will be so.
0:10: ! The video discusses the disappointing portrayal of Thanos in Avengers: Endgame. 3:59: 🕷 The video discusses the casting of Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio in Spider-Man: Far From Home and how it deviates from the comic book character's appearance. 7:37: ! The video discusses the idea of introducing Kang the Conqueror as the main villain in various films and shows, using gangs as a way to hype up his debut and tie the different stories together. 11:43: 🎥 The video discusses the potential problems with using multiverses in the MCU and critiques the character development of Scarlet Witch in the upcoming 'Multiverse of Madness' movie. 15:27: 🎥 The importance of villains in superhero stories and the disappointment with recent villains in movies. 19:10: 🎥 The video discusses the shortcomings of the villains in recent Marvel films and suggests what could have been done differently. 22:58: 💡 The video discusses the importance of diverse and distinct villains in storytelling, using Darth Vader as an example. 26:57: 🎥 The video discusses the portrayal of villains in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) and highlights the importance of creating a sense of danger and seriousness for the heroes to overcome. 30:15: 🎥 The video suggests replacing Dr Strange with Mephisto in the Infinity Saga to enhance the threat of Thanos and use other solo film villains to bolster his entourage. Recap by Tammy AI
To defend Endgame Thanos, the journey to acquire the infinity stones made him the way he was in IW while the one in Endgame was three years younger and saw not only Earth stopping his first assault but actually killing him in the future. He saw that his idea that the universe shall be grateful was wrong and doubled down on his belief that he can still correct it (but this time starting from scratch).
I think the thing is, also this explanation do work out, WHY would Marvel make the endgame this way in the first place if this ultimately result in a worse version of Thanos
I think Endgame as a whole requires a more nuanced discussion than what this video provided. I definitely want to break that entire movie down, in more detail, in the near future.
I wouldn't have been so bad if we actually got more Iron Man working with Peter. But instead we get Happy- one of the most useless characters, and only serving to be the cringe character who is banging Aunt May.
I would agree with you on Ant-Man 3 but they pretty firmly established that Kang was the most dangerous one that is why he was exiled by them. So, Idk on that one...
Marvel Comics were cool because the Villains didn't really get killed off. They kept coming back. If they kill Dr. Doom I will never watch another MCU film. They weren't just villains of week in the comics but actually characters with some depth.
I have to say that I really thought that Ultron and the Collector were working for Thanos. The post credit scene from AoU and from Thor 2 really gave me the impression that there is a connection. I was shocked when I realized that it lead to nowhere.
how the fuck would Ultron be working with Thanos? He literally just got created; you need to learn how to use basic logic and actually think instead of just reacting emotionally to an illogical end credit scene
I think multiverse and time travel work best when they aren't just simple plot devices but can either a) be a useful world building mechanic or b) add some layer to a powers and abilities or in some cases c) add a layer to a character. For example funny valentine's stand D4C, the xeelee verse ring and ben 10's time loop.
multiverse is worse than time travel and should basically never be used, because it is so stupid. Time travel is the same; the only time time travel is ever used good in a story is in movies like Primer. Multiverse and time travel ruins a movie 99% of the time, and it is no different in the MCU; the fact they focused on the multiverse concept absolutely ruined the MCU
Oh shut up you’ll be back praising the MCU when Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars are releasing. You people are literally obsessed with hating on MCU while not being able to look away. If you don’t like it, why are you still watching ?
@@kang6914 you sound triggered, it's called criticism, deal with it We want these things to be better, that's why we care cuz the potential is there, just cuz you're a shill that takes spoon feeding to enjoy meals doesn't mean the rest of us have to
I think Hugo Weaving's Agent Smith from the first Matrix movie is often overlooked as one of the greatest villains of all time. His performance is off the charts and he is a highlight even tho underused in the lack luster sequels.
He's exactly the same in the sequels People need to stop trashing them honestly, they're not perfect but they enhanced the story of the characters, especially Zion
@@ninjanibba4259the sequels are absolutely forgettable. You can’t make people like them just because you do. Who cares about Zion that’s not even what we liked about the first Matrix film.
@@ninjanibba4259 fair enough I guess it did but I just can’t get into the sequels. I watched them all again before Resurrections came out and I still forget majority of those films after they are over. I would have a tough time telling you what happened throughout most of those films, while the 1st film I could almost tell scene for scene. I don’t know what kind of magic they pulled off in the first film but they were never able to really recreate it in my opinion. The 4th film surprisingly I like more than 2 & 3 and it’s because it was basically a remake of the 1st film with the video game twist. That one was actually interesting to watch for like the entire first half of the film. It got a little boring after that but man do Neo and Trinity still have crazy chemistry.
Yes because maybe Annihilus should have been in the villain of Endgame or the 2015 fantastic four movie as I thought other suggestions than just using Dr Doom again better yet make him be the villain of the MCU Fantastic four movie because I know he was originally going to be the main villain of Guardians of the galaxy 3 before changing it to the High Evolutionary which was a better choice because it doesn’t make sense why would Annihilus created Rocket Racoon if his motivations is all about wanting to live forever and that he is paranoid. As for the other suggestions for what villains they could have used in the 2015 fantastic four Is the Moleman,Mad Thinker,Frightful Four or the Red ghost and the super apes
@@srstriker6420 ironically the high evolutionary would have been my pick for the fantastic four villain. Well, he would have been the heavy anyway. If it was up to me the fantastic four would have had three villains. 1. H.E. (The heavy) 2. The puppetmaster (the renfeild) 3. Reed Richards of counter earth(the usurper) Dr. Doom would be relegated to cameos leading a revolt in latvaria with an army of doombots and mindless ones. Which would be elaborated on in a “hail to the king” style oneshot.
@@changvasejarik62 but I think High Evolutionary would have a better choice for Guardians 3 but I think of Man-Beast should have appeared as he is one of his creations
It seem thanos beat hulk based on skill and experience. I do think thanos winning over hulk shpuld be a bigger deal but the shock and set up for hulk losing so completely is a crazy way to start
I think it would have been much more interesting if the original thanos/ farm scene was much later in the film rather than the first 5 minutes. It would have made his sacrifice of the stones way more impactful, plus if they hyped up a rematch to then see thanos just living a normal life would have been satisfying and a great way to add a true sense of subversion.
I didn’t really remember liking it the first time I watched back when it came out , but on recent watch I was in the middle of the movie thinking , this is how a comic book movie is made and the old they don’t make them like this anymore
I like the ideas you’re putting out, personally I wouldn’t completely overhaul everything. I’d keep most of the major antagonists the same structure wise. I’d introduce the masters of evil for Phase one, have them be reoccurring villains through future phases. Keep Ultron, and Thanos as the main villains of phase 2/3, Focus on the fantastic 4, and Doctor doom for phase 4, and then eventually wrap up with Galacticus in the final phase, whatever number that is, I’m not the biggest expert on the whole Timeline, I just think he’s make a great final villain. All the other villains would still be distributed evenly, and have enough time to shine on their own before dying.
Tbh Ronan was intended to be the "dark and angry generic big bad" He was so serious, so into destroying everything, not a single joke or punchline from him then Peter just started dancing, and the confused look on his face always gets me
Only part I disagree with is making it seem like what US Agent did was the correct path, both Falcon and US Agents choices were weird/bad. (Well US Agent was supposed to do something bad)
Is it just me or did the MCU go from "big scary villain" to "person with a lot of money or authority therfore has many minions" as a formula for creating villains?
I find it very funny that Taskmaster has some history with Deadpool and both characters have terrible adaptations (for those lucky ones to not know what I'm talking about, I'm dissing X-Men Origins: Wolverine, not Deadpool movies) that barely resemble the character in question and barely feel like characters.
The worst was ultron... as an animated series watcher and a comic book reader whose whole childhood was bingewatching each and every animated series, ultron in mcu was a disappointment. Ultron was literally the second most important villian for the avengers and his story ended by hulk throwing him in the ship and vision doing talk no jutsu before killing him off?
"Hulk was given no redemption as the writer's not liking the Hulk..." Yeah. Russos even made "fun" of the Hulk. Sadly it was no rematch. They even showed sketches of Hulk fighting with Thanos in Endgame but nooo...
I think it makes sense that Mysterio shows his face to Peter because he wants him to trust him. But, perhaps his "real face" is also a mask. That'd be neat.
Adam Warlock Could Of Replaced Captain Marvel And Led The Charge And We Could Of Gotten A Movie Of “Him” Instead. Plus Nebula Should Of Done The Snap Instead Of Hulk…
this is why I think Garou from one punch man (mainly webcomic), is one of the best villians i have seen period, we spend time with him, seeing what makes him tick, the tribulations he has to overcome, and we know he will eventually lose, its in the series name, but in this he makes a perfect foil to saitama, and the conclusion between the two is incredibly satisfying
A psychological drama about Yellowjacket declining in all areas of life while secretly being manipulated by his resentful robotic son would have been a masterpiece with the rights aesthetics. Instead we get this popcorn crap that isn't even good popcorn.
The most disappointing villain I’m is Gorr, I’m so mad they wasted him when they had the source material right there. I wished the movie could be remade or he comes back like damm
Would've thought you'd tackle Agatha Harkness, given how much they changed her character from Wanda's mentor and ally to the Avengers and Fantastic Four to full on supervillain.
Honestly at some point, the MCU should just reboot itself like a James Gunn's DCU sort of thing. I have nothing against the MCU, but it continues to run itself into the ground and it really sucks because now it's too late to actually introduce iconic or obscure characters. I think it would be a fresh start where they can plan out ways to introduce certain characters and maybe even be slightly more accurate (like making Hank Pym currently Ant-Man). I know they probably won't do this, but I feel as if there will be a point where these movies won't be reliable money makers anymore.
That wasn't a "lesser version" of Kang per say; this is the real deal Kang, but at his lowest since he's been exiled. In Loki season 2, he'll be back and building his power base. He doesn’t die at the of Quantumania, he's just displaced again.
Can't wait to see another black Kenny being killed and hearing the shills saying "noooooo, the real One Is coming, trust me" When the fucking Spot turns out to be a Better villain It means mistakes were made
26:10 REGULAR MAN 3'S LOGIC IS 💩 *NEED TO REMIND YOU THERE'S A SCENE WHERE TONY STARK IS CHARGING A NUCLEAR FUSION REACTOR WITH A CAR BATTERY* _if you don't know the problem, is basically trying to fill a dessert with water by using only 1 cup of water_
I agree with you for the most part I feel like you misunderstood T'Challa and Killmonger. They represent MLK and Malcom X at their most extremes. MLK's pacifism to the point of inaction being T'Challa and Malcom X's more active approach to the point of terrorism in Killmonger. Black Silence and Black Rage. Both are wrong. You can't ignore your brothers and sisters who are in need simply because you aren't suffering alongside them. You also can't weaponize your suffering and turn it into the suffering of others.
Absolute travesty we never got a proper post snap mcu, that builds up to endgame. This would have been the perfect time for a Hawkeye and Widow film. Punisher spin off and more. But Marvel hates money sadly
The final battle in End game was poorly lit on purpose. It’s a technique used to either hide bad CGI or to save money on detailed rendering. I’m assuming it was for the latter here
Can you do a video on Marvel TV's villains, and how they are better than the movie ones? (and if you think many of them are also bad, I would still love to hear your opinions on them)
I had a similar idea to your masters of evil idea in regards to what I think DC should do, I think the legion of doom would be the perfect choice as an Endgame style threat
I think that Wanda’s case is a little bit more complicated because technically WandaVision was kind of a redemption / new strat arc. ( Before jumping at my throat let me explain ) In my opinion WandaVision was an interesting way to develop her character ( and mostly after Infinity war / Endagame events ). The idea was interesting : Wanda Maximoff riddled with devastation and grief after having to sacrifice the love of her life in vain to try to save the world, and being in the unique position of not getting it back years later like many others on had the chance to do so and doing her best to try to accept it, they made her character going through the 5 stages of grief until the phase of the acceptance. This phase is represented by the fact that when she realize that Westview's inhabitants were suffering, she put an end to it. Yea let me say that again, WHEN WANDA REALIZED THAT SHE WAS HURTING PEOPLE, SHE PUT AN END TO HER SPELL ON WESTVIEW. Wanda gave up her dream, her perfect life, the only time she was able to reach a bit of happiness and everything she wanted because she knew the consequences of forcing it to become reality and she KNEW that it was the right thing to do. She knew that damage had been done and she tried to fix it. How ? She isolated herself in the middle of woods because she understood that she was a danger for those around her and she wanted to learn how to control her magic so something like Westview never happen again. The problem comes from Multiverse of Madness and it’s awful writing. Why ? Because the movie literally acts like WandaVision never happened by just turning her into psychotic mass murderer for no reason which not only invalidate all of her character growth, and also ruins WandaVision in the process by making it pointless, but also but also by literally giving right to a dude like TYLER HAYWARD ( yea the one who leads the Sword and the one who also had no problem exploiting Vision and violating his integrity and his rights by dehumanizing him and literally treating him like a thing and who behind his supposedly desire to save Westview, have overall a bit more questionable motivations inside ). This movie ruined all of the complexity that her character originally had by turning her into a irredeemable evil crazy bitch for nothing. I’m not against Wanda being turned into a villain because there were a lot of times when she was a villain in the comics and she was great but if it’s really what you want, just do it well.
Fun Fact: Comic Book Black Order Was Able To Defeat/Occupy Characters Like The Hulk, Captain Marvel, Captain America, Thor And (Marvel’s Superman) Hyperion. at The Same Time. (Infinity Comic Book)
the D+ shows could’ve been a cool way to bring back old villains. have red skull return to earth after five years of wandering the cosmos in TFATW. have Wanda through her chaos magic and infinity stone fuckery accidentally bring back Ultron in WandaVision. literally fucking have 2012 Loki return to the present day MCU by the end of his show lol. Maybe not the Loki one, but stuff like Ultron could’ve been cool in the way he’s brought back by Wanda, but bides his time and eventually goes back to his comic roots in ant-man 3 by being a villain who antagonizes Hank Pym since Tony isn’t around anymore. or villains like Red skull could still want to take over the world but has a higher wisdom from his time protecting the soul stone and still doesn’t like the Earth he’s come back to. Pretty sure one of falcons first fights was with Steve fighting Red Skull.
Wait, did you say that Thomas Hayden Church and Rhys Ifans didn't reprise their roles in No Way Home? Because that's _exactly_ incorrect. They were in fact reprisals.
For the high evolutionary: I can understand since the wanted him to be more expressive and him being a mechanical robot/cyborg wouldnt be as expressive as Chukwudi Iwuji who killed that role and made him memorial: plus he is kinda comic accurate with the face at the end and also we don’t know if he’s dead or not; meaning theirs possibility for him to return in a future Movie with a comic suit
Great video again and worth the wait. Admittedly for a while I passed off the deceasing quality of marvel films as just me growing older but that’s not what’s happening. The kids will not look back at these films and appreciate them like their parents did with Star Wars etc. It’s just ‘content’ now. Consume and move on.
It seems that your only criticism of Guardians villains is their lack of comic accuracy, which is silly, as by your own metrics, they are fantastic villains for their films, wonderfully performed, and perfect foils for the protagonists. Ronan is perhaps a lil weak, but he *is* a perfectionist like the other villains, which is the opposite of the heroes. Ego, the sovereign, and even taserface are all incredibly insecure villains, mirroring the guardians character drama in the film. And Evo is literally a eugenicist who toys with the innocence of life, razing entire worlds on a whim, compelled by his own weakness and vulnerability, he is the PERFECT guardians villain.
His criticisms are less on lack of comic accuracy than on the film versions failing to live up to the comic versions; the problem isn't that they were changed, but that those changes made them worse. Ronan was terribly forgettable and Ego could have been better if the writers hadn't forgotten he was a planet. HE was a decent villain but never especially threatening.
![ความรักไม่ได้น่ากลัวขนาดนั้น (TRUST ME) - LYKN [ OFFICIAL MV ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9np-lAtCRpQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Kang should have won in Antman 3 with the twist being that whole movie was from a different dimension and Kang is now coming for ours.
Would have been so much better
Bruh, that would have been some Rick and Morty level inception!!!
That would have been so good dude! Even with the bad cgi and poor writing, that twist would have salvaged it
Imagine if that was actually the ending!!!
When does it happen movies decide to make the villain win?
It’s really eye opening when Across the Spider-Verse can take an obscure villain like the Spot and make him more compelling than most MCU villains who are more well known
That movie was also terrible.... all multiverse movies are terrible
@@pyropulseIXXI What a mark
@@ricardonb6375 CONSOOM MOAR MEDIA
Funny thing is Spot disappeared right in the middle too, yet STILL manages to be memorable.
@@pyropulseIXXI L opinion, there are good Multiverse movies. They aren’t all automatically bad because of the multiverse
Facts any one of these villains could've been iconic but they dropped the ball every time
Sad but true
GREAT MCU THANOS PROBLEM,
Not true, I disliked some of the villains, but saying they dropped the ball with everyone of them is absurd.
@@shadysif6220they have quite literally dropped the ball every time. The only great villain was Thanos in Infinity War.
@@itstroy4145
That's not true, as I said before I'm not a fan of every villain, or of every movie for that matter. But there's a very good reason why so many none comic book fans embraced the MCU, and was tepid towards, or outright despised the DCEU. it's also why this video is and so many other clueless attempts to discuss the MCU's villain problem is laughable.
It fans had such a problem with the MCU's villains, they would have stopped supporting their films, a decade ago, but guess what? their latest film Guardians of Galaxy 3, made over 800 million, and is one of the years highest grossing films.
In fact the majority of Marvel's films are both critical and commercially successful. Including some of those films, where they "dropped the ball" but still made a billion or close to it.
The heroes and their numerous interpersonal conflicts is what built the MCU, and time again the audience rewarded them for it.
Love how braedon casually creates a better overall story than most of what the mcu has done
Maybe Marvel can hire him as their new president once Feige quits or when Iger eventually leaves.
Disagree, there's a difference between comprehending the logic behind something, and disliking the execution, or finished product, and not liking the finished product, when you're oblivious to themes, and narratives.
A great deal of his critique, shows he's the latter.
In my experience a good villain should always overshadow the hero until the hero triumphs. There’s no reason why the hero should succeed in their first or second encounter. They should be knocked down in some cases further back than where they started. The Wolf in Puss in Boots literally kicks his ass, embarrasses him into retirement, and then gives him panic attacks throughout the film and then when Puss finally prevails it gets a huge rise from the audience. Not to mention the wolf has a memorable design and an unforgettable performance.
What about the Spot from Across the spider Verse?
@@srstriker6420does the same thing, just in reverse. He’s beat down quite a bit in the beginning and not taken serially at all, only to later become a multiversal threat and feared by the hero’s. Sometimes the movies grow the villains as well as the heros.
The greatest villain is the one who can target the hero's greatest weakness. Because the hero has to exceed his limits to win. In puss in boots' case the villain literally was the one thing puss in boots feared after losing all of his other lives. So surpassing death of course got a huge rise of the audience.
Just so long as the villain doesn't immediately suffer a case of Third Act Induced stupidity/weakness because the plot demands they lose what put them on their winning streak to begin with.
Not just the wolf, but Goldie and Jack take turns stealing the wish map. I hate it when the other villains from the movie aren’t talked about, they’re just as good.
so glad someone is talking about the new thanos just not being the same. his past self was developed and loved the new one was just angry at people in his way not the avengers specifically
Don't be sad because it is over, smile because it happened... And I can rewatch it again, but frow now on, start to finish.
@@SSJacksWolf I think it jumped it since day 1
@@ArcTrooperRod-269Ironman should have been set in China🇨🇳 instead of Afghanistan.
@@RedCommunistDragon I mean, I can forgive that change because it jad a point, Is pretty much like when Oliver spent 5 years on Lian Yu on arrow when in comics he only spent 2, Still I Agree it is a waste not using all the Chinese stuff in the Iron Man Mythos
"A hero cannot exist in a vacuum. What our story needs is an ironic turn of events that will propel the hero into conflict!" -rango
Aside from Thanos and Loki, most of the MCU villains feel like beat ''em-up characters. It's really sad what the MCU did to Mandarin, Ultron, Malekith, Ronan, and other villains. There's something truly wrong with your franchise when Green Goblin (Villain who hasn't been seen since 2002) ends up surpassing basically every villain you've introduced aside from the big two.
Don’t forget high evolutionary, vulture and winter soldier and possibly Kang
@@godzillaisbetterthenyou9762 What really pisses me off is how Vulture never appeared in No Way Home. He could have sided with Spiderman since he was no longer at odds with Peter, but nope, they rather he appear in Morbius.
@@BrandonTBlackwell yeah that wasn’t a good idea honestly: but I do hope he appears on the future, maybe he teams up with Morbius or maybe he does his own thing
And Green Goblin was written by Sony. Marvel just cheaply rode off his actual character dev which was done so well in Spiderman 1.
@@godzillaisbetterthenyou9762 Vulture and Kang were mid
I think that Endgame Thanos is honestly less of an inconsistent portrayal, and more of a mask-off sort of portrayal. Behind all of his self-sacrificial rhetoric and justifications for his actions, what he really wanted was to be proven right. To show everyone that his way works and that he knew what was best all along. His actions aren't noble, they're an extension of his ego. When he's proven to be wrong, when his actions are shown to negatively impact the universe, he can't accept it and doubles down. If the universe won't recognize that he was right all along, then he'll create a reality where it will be so.
0:10: ! The video discusses the disappointing portrayal of Thanos in Avengers: Endgame.
3:59: 🕷 The video discusses the casting of Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio in Spider-Man: Far From Home and how it deviates from the comic book character's appearance.
7:37: ! The video discusses the idea of introducing Kang the Conqueror as the main villain in various films and shows, using gangs as a way to hype up his debut and tie the different stories together.
11:43: 🎥 The video discusses the potential problems with using multiverses in the MCU and critiques the character development of Scarlet Witch in the upcoming 'Multiverse of Madness' movie.
15:27: 🎥 The importance of villains in superhero stories and the disappointment with recent villains in movies.
19:10: 🎥 The video discusses the shortcomings of the villains in recent Marvel films and suggests what could have been done differently.
22:58: 💡 The video discusses the importance of diverse and distinct villains in storytelling, using Darth Vader as an example.
26:57: 🎥 The video discusses the portrayal of villains in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) and highlights the importance of creating a sense of danger and seriousness for the heroes to overcome.
30:15: 🎥 The video suggests replacing Dr Strange with Mephisto in the Infinity Saga to enhance the threat of Thanos and use other solo film villains to bolster his entourage.
Recap by Tammy AI
The MCU sunk faster than the Titanic.
To defend Endgame Thanos, the journey to acquire the infinity stones made him the way he was in IW while the one in Endgame was three years younger and saw not only Earth stopping his first assault but actually killing him in the future. He saw that his idea that the universe shall be grateful was wrong and doubled down on his belief that he can still correct it (but this time starting from scratch).
I think the thing is, also this explanation do work out, WHY would Marvel make the endgame this way in the first place if this ultimately result in a worse version of Thanos
I think Endgame as a whole requires a more nuanced discussion than what this video provided. I definitely want to break that entire movie down, in more detail, in the near future.
@@braedenalberti I'll be on 1°line if that day Comes
@@braedenalberti Looking forward to it.
LoL nice try Marvel simp
Iron Man was the piece that kept the Avengers together.
And the mcu honestly.
@@sadchild9478except that wasn't really Iron Man, was just RDJ's Self Insert
And the piece that destroyed Spider Man
@@nerychristian *Iron Boy
I wouldn't have been so bad if we actually got more Iron Man working with Peter. But instead we get Happy- one of the most useless characters, and only serving to be the cringe character who is banging Aunt May.
I would agree with you on Ant-Man 3 but they pretty firmly established that Kang was the most dangerous one that is why he was exiled by them. So, Idk on that one...
He's so dangerous that he kept getting undermined by the heroes despite the buildup of him for 50 mins
Awaken your babes
Babe wake up, he's back!
YEAHHHHH BOOOOOY
I'm awake. I'm awake.
I hated that Mysterio was a Stark villian.
I'M AWAKE. AND THANK GOD YOU'RE BACK
Marvel Comics were cool because the Villains didn't really get killed off. They kept coming back. If they kill Dr. Doom I will never watch another MCU film. They weren't just villains of week in the comics but actually characters with some depth.
My child sacrifices have paid off it seems, he has returned
I have to say that I really thought that Ultron and the Collector were working for Thanos. The post credit scene from AoU and from Thor 2 really gave me the impression that there is a connection. I was shocked when I realized that it lead to nowhere.
I would have thought of Thanos was behind Civil War and Ragnarok like a chessboard
how the fuck would Ultron be working with Thanos? He literally just got created; you need to learn how to use basic logic and actually think instead of just reacting emotionally to an illogical end credit scene
@srstriker6420 That would have made so much sense!
@@Natta44 just like how in EMH Loki was behind the Breaches in prissions
I think multiverse and time travel work best when they aren't just simple plot devices but can either a) be a useful world building mechanic or b) add some layer to a powers and abilities or in some cases c) add a layer to a character. For example funny valentine's stand D4C, the xeelee verse ring and ben 10's time loop.
I love the idea of using time travel. It works well when it does
multiverse is worse than time travel and should basically never be used, because it is so stupid. Time travel is the same; the only time time travel is ever used good in a story is in movies like Primer. Multiverse and time travel ruins a movie 99% of the time, and it is no different in the MCU; the fact they focused on the multiverse concept absolutely ruined the MCU
This entire breakdown made me want to rewatch Avengers: EMH again and how well it did with storytelling and characters.
Right now, the MCU is so badly damaged, that the only solution is for a new owner of the iP's and a complete reboot.
Reboots aren't the answer to everything
@@ninjanibba4259It is because reboots are very essential to retell a larger and better story for each and every generation.
idk man. At this rate 1 or 2 decades of rest needed.
In the meanwhile I return to comics w/o ESG...
Oh shut up you’ll be back praising the MCU when Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars are releasing. You people are literally obsessed with hating on MCU while not being able to look away. If you don’t like it, why are you still watching ?
@@kang6914 you sound triggered, it's called criticism, deal with it
We want these things to be better, that's why we care cuz the potential is there, just cuz you're a shill that takes spoon feeding to enjoy meals doesn't mean the rest of us have to
You should make your own plan on what you would’ve done if you had been in charge of the MCU
Crazy how i find myself agreeing with almost every point you bring out, am glad i found your channel
19:59 THANK YOU! People don't give Pixar's Cars enough credit.
In the past, Now is becoming more beloved & I'm happy of that
I think Hugo Weaving's Agent Smith from the first Matrix movie is often overlooked as one of the greatest villains of all time. His performance is off the charts and he is a highlight even tho underused in the lack luster sequels.
He's exactly the same in the sequels
People need to stop trashing them honestly, they're not perfect but they enhanced the story of the characters, especially Zion
@@ninjanibba4259 You are not the boss of me. I'll trash what I want
@@ninjanibba4259the sequels are absolutely forgettable. You can’t make people like them just because you do. Who cares about Zion that’s not even what we liked about the first Matrix film.
@@kang6914 doesn't matter, it still pushed the plots forward, and they're not forgettable, that would be 4
@@ninjanibba4259 fair enough I guess it did but I just can’t get into the sequels. I watched them all again before Resurrections came out and I still forget majority of those films after they are over. I would have a tough time telling you what happened throughout most of those films, while the 1st film I could almost tell scene for scene. I don’t know what kind of magic they pulled off in the first film but they were never able to really recreate it in my opinion. The 4th film surprisingly I like more than 2 & 3 and it’s because it was basically a remake of the 1st film with the video game twist. That one was actually interesting to watch for like the entire first half of the film. It got a little boring after that but man do Neo and Trinity still have crazy chemistry.
'the big grey blur' also known as super hero villains
I think you should do a video series rewriting the MCU
That’s what I was thinking and also do a video on the DCEU villain problem
Would get a lot of views too
I personally wanted to see the mcu do the Annihilation event.
But then I just like Annihilus as an outside context villain.
Yes because maybe Annihilus should have been in the villain of Endgame or the 2015 fantastic four movie as I thought other suggestions than just using Dr Doom again better yet make him be the villain of the MCU Fantastic four movie because I know he was originally going to be the main villain of Guardians of the galaxy 3 before changing it to the High Evolutionary which was a better choice because it doesn’t make sense why would Annihilus created Rocket Racoon if his motivations is all about wanting to live forever and that he is paranoid.
As for the other suggestions for what villains they could have used in the 2015 fantastic four
Is the Moleman,Mad Thinker,Frightful Four or the Red ghost and the super apes
@@srstriker6420 ironically the high evolutionary would have been my pick for the fantastic four villain.
Well, he would have been the heavy anyway.
If it was up to me the fantastic four would have had three villains.
1. H.E. (The heavy)
2. The puppetmaster (the renfeild)
3. Reed Richards of counter earth(the usurper)
Dr. Doom would be relegated to cameos leading a revolt in latvaria with an army of doombots and mindless ones. Which would be elaborated on in a “hail to the king” style oneshot.
@@changvasejarik62 but I think High Evolutionary would have a better choice for Guardians 3 but I think of Man-Beast should have appeared as he is one of his creations
It seem thanos beat hulk based on skill and experience. I do think thanos winning over hulk shpuld be a bigger deal but the shock and set up for hulk losing so completely is a crazy way to start
I think it would have been much more interesting if the original thanos/ farm scene was much later in the film rather than the first 5 minutes. It would have made his sacrifice of the stones way more impactful, plus if they hyped up a rematch to then see thanos just living a normal life would have been satisfying and a great way to add a true sense of subversion.
The fact that somehow the actor playing the T1000 didn't seem to breath made the character more terrifying.
Am convinced most of these writers aren’t even comic book fans
No, really?
Who would guessed?
I watched the Green Lantern movie yesterday and was thoroughly impressed and it blows phase 4 away imo
I think the problem was that Ryan Reynolds hated so much that movie that now everyone hates it too because his constant mocking
I didn’t really remember liking it the first time I watched back when it came out , but on recent watch I was in the middle of the movie thinking , this is how a comic book movie is made and the old they don’t make them like this anymore
Just cuz it's better than phase 4, doesn't make it a good film suddenly
Sadly yes... :P
I like the ideas you’re putting out, personally I wouldn’t completely overhaul everything. I’d keep most of the major antagonists the same structure wise. I’d introduce the masters of evil for Phase one, have them be reoccurring villains through future phases. Keep Ultron, and Thanos as the main villains of phase 2/3, Focus on the fantastic 4, and Doctor doom for phase 4, and then eventually wrap up with Galacticus in the final phase, whatever number that is, I’m not the biggest expert on the whole Timeline, I just think he’s make a great final villain. All the other villains would still be distributed evenly, and have enough time to shine on their own before dying.
Malekeith, Ronan The Accuser, Taskmaster All Classic Avenger Level Villains. Damn You, Disney…
Tbh Ronan was intended to be the "dark and angry generic big bad"
He was so serious, so into destroying everything, not a single joke or punchline from him
then Peter just started dancing, and the confused look on his face always gets me
Synders DC had a lot of issues but he was building the evil Justice league at the same time as the Justice league
Yeah, but his version of Luthor in BvS was bad. I wonder if he would have been actually interesting later on
I want Dr. Doom and Magneto to team up and fight the Avengers
Only part I disagree with is making it seem like what US Agent did was the correct path, both Falcon and US Agents choices were weird/bad. (Well US Agent was supposed to do something bad)
Yeah because why should we feel bad for the flag smashers because they were killing people for what
Did anyone who watched both Guardians of the Galaxy volume 1 & 2 noticed that Peter Quill returned to Earth after so many years in Endgame?
Yep, and I’m guessing that was against James Gunn’s wishes.
what do you mean?
Is it just me or did the MCU go from "big scary villain" to "person with a lot of money or authority therfore has many minions" as a formula for creating villains?
I find it very funny that Taskmaster has some history with Deadpool and both characters have terrible adaptations (for those lucky ones to not know what I'm talking about, I'm dissing X-Men Origins: Wolverine, not Deadpool movies) that barely resemble the character in question and barely feel like characters.
& Both of them were Mute & with 0 Personality
Also found pretty Hypocrit that they Genderswapped him to make him more Woke despite he's ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT GAY CHARACTERS IN THE COMICS
It is finally here.
The worst was
ultron... as an animated series watcher and a comic book reader whose whole childhood was bingewatching each and every animated series, ultron in mcu was a disappointment. Ultron was literally the second most important villian for the avengers and his story ended by hulk throwing him in the ship and vision doing talk no jutsu before killing him off?
He is arguably their number one villain and arch nemesis, it between him and kang for that spot. Zemo, Thanos and Loki are honorable mentions.
Phase 4 took a plane nose dive.
"Hulk was given no redemption as the writer's not liking the Hulk..."
Yeah. Russos even made "fun" of the Hulk.
Sadly it was no rematch.
They even showed sketches of Hulk fighting with Thanos in Endgame but nooo...
I think it makes sense that Mysterio shows his face to Peter because he wants him to trust him. But, perhaps his "real face" is also a mask. That'd be neat.
The question is... what happened, Kevin Feige?
We need to make our own Marvel fan made content like Star Wars fans on TH-cam.
Overly dark villains are quite often the result of bad (rushed) CGI.
Adam Warlock Could Of Replaced Captain Marvel And Led The Charge And We Could Of Gotten A Movie Of “Him” Instead. Plus Nebula Should Of Done The Snap Instead Of Hulk…
this is why I think Garou from one punch man (mainly webcomic), is one of the best villians i have seen period, we spend time with him, seeing what makes him tick, the tribulations he has to overcome, and we know he will eventually lose, its in the series name, but in this he makes a perfect foil to saitama, and the conclusion between the two is incredibly satisfying
A psychological drama about Yellowjacket declining in all areas of life while secretly being manipulated by his resentful robotic son would have been a masterpiece with the rights aesthetics. Instead we get this popcorn crap that isn't even good popcorn.
The most disappointing villain I’m is Gorr, I’m so mad they wasted him when they had the source material right there. I wished the movie could be remade or he comes back like damm
Would've thought you'd tackle Agatha Harkness, given how much they changed her character from Wanda's mentor and ally to the Avengers and Fantastic Four to full on supervillain.
Had a huge collection of marvel collector cards growing up in the 90s, but never heard of Kang. At this point I don't even care to learn who that is.
Honestly at some point, the MCU should just reboot itself like a James Gunn's DCU sort of thing. I have nothing against the MCU, but it continues to run itself into the ground and it really sucks because now it's too late to actually introduce iconic or obscure characters. I think it would be a fresh start where they can plan out ways to introduce certain characters and maybe even be slightly more accurate (like making Hank Pym currently Ant-Man). I know they probably won't do this, but I feel as if there will be a point where these movies won't be reliable money makers anymore.
At this point I don't want them to touch Silver Surfer, Galactus and Fantastic Four. Just stop.
Your so right about modok, they might as well kept the mask 😷 on his face
A Villain must be a worthy rival or a formidable obstacle, but Marvel villains are a checkbox to be ticked.
The problem was thanos had a threatening situation but it seemed so child friendly without a threat
great conclusion to this series, one of the best critique videos i've seen. cheers
That wasn't a "lesser version" of Kang per say; this is the real deal Kang, but at his lowest since he's been exiled.
In Loki season 2, he'll be back and building his power base. He doesn’t die at the of Quantumania, he's just displaced again.
If there is a Loki 2. Disney is downsizing their productions drastically and making a lot less Marvel shows going forward.
@@mikerude5073 Loki 2 has already been filmed, finished post-post production (or mostly) and is scheduled to come out on October 6th.
Can't wait to see another black Kenny being killed and hearing the shills saying "noooooo, the real One Is coming, trust me"
When the fucking Spot turns out to be a Better villain It means mistakes were made
26:10 REGULAR MAN 3'S LOGIC IS 💩
*NEED TO REMIND YOU THERE'S A SCENE WHERE TONY STARK IS CHARGING A NUCLEAR FUSION REACTOR WITH A CAR BATTERY*
_if you don't know the problem, is basically trying to fill a dessert with water by using only 1 cup of water_
I wish Nightmare came to the MCU
I agree with you for the most part I feel like you misunderstood T'Challa and Killmonger. They represent MLK and Malcom X at their most extremes. MLK's pacifism to the point of inaction being T'Challa and Malcom X's more active approach to the point of terrorism in Killmonger. Black Silence and Black Rage. Both are wrong. You can't ignore your brothers and sisters who are in need simply because you aren't suffering alongside them. You also can't weaponize your suffering and turn it into the suffering of others.
Some people miss the mark and revert to anti-woke rhetoric instead. Doing Stan and co a great injustice.
Absolute travesty we never got a proper post snap mcu, that builds up to endgame. This would have been the perfect time for a Hawkeye and Widow film. Punisher spin off and more. But Marvel hates money sadly
End game : iron man sacrifice to save everyone like a hero
Far from home : tony created another villain because his ego
Ironman why did you create that guy
_& he keeps creating Weapons, EVEN AFTER HIS DEATH/
The final battle in End game was poorly lit on purpose. It’s a technique used to either hide bad CGI or to save money on detailed rendering. I’m assuming it was for the latter here
Jack Gyllenhaal Could Of Been Better As Moon Knight.
Agree
I hated that Mysterio was a Stark villian.
@@anubusx just as I hated Dynamo to be a Red Guardian Villain
Infinity War was a movie. End Game was fan service
Basically the MCU should’ve been Avengers: EMH to a certain degree
Killing off Iron Man and Black Widow was a terrible idea for the MCU.
I honestly think Black Widow can be removed without much, if any trouble. Losing Iron Man was a significant loss though.
Can't blame the MCU, the actors wanted to leave, which was perfectly understandable
Now blame them for what they've done since they've exited
Nightmare Or Mephisto Could Of been the villain for Dr. Strange in a Horror style movie. No Jokes, Full R-rated movie.
Can you do a video on Marvel TV's villains, and how they are better than the movie ones?
(and if you think many of them are also bad, I would still love to hear your opinions on them)
When the world needed him most he finally fucking returned.
I had a similar idea to your masters of evil idea in regards to what I think DC should do, I think the legion of doom would be the perfect choice as an Endgame style threat
Was counting days since the last episode! Well done!
I think that Wanda’s case is a little bit more complicated because technically WandaVision was kind of a redemption / new strat arc. ( Before jumping at my throat let me explain ) In my opinion WandaVision was an interesting way to develop her character ( and mostly after Infinity war / Endagame events ). The idea was interesting : Wanda Maximoff riddled with devastation and grief after having to sacrifice the love of her life in vain to try to save the world, and being in the unique position of not getting it back years later like many others on had the chance to do so and doing her best to try to accept it, they made her character going through the 5 stages of grief until the phase of the acceptance. This phase is represented by the fact that when she realize that Westview's inhabitants were suffering, she put an end to it. Yea let me say that again, WHEN WANDA REALIZED THAT SHE WAS HURTING PEOPLE, SHE PUT AN END TO HER SPELL ON WESTVIEW. Wanda gave up her dream, her perfect life, the only time she was able to reach a bit of happiness and everything she wanted because she knew the consequences of forcing it to become reality and she KNEW that it was the right thing to do. She knew that damage had been done and she tried to fix it. How ? She isolated herself in the middle of woods because she understood that she was a danger for those around her and she wanted to learn how to control her magic so something like Westview never happen again.
The problem comes from Multiverse of Madness and it’s awful writing. Why ? Because the movie literally acts like WandaVision never happened by just turning her into psychotic mass murderer for no reason which not only invalidate all of her character growth, and also ruins WandaVision in the process by making it pointless, but also but also by literally giving right to a dude like TYLER HAYWARD ( yea the one who leads the Sword and the one who also had no problem exploiting Vision and violating his integrity and his rights by dehumanizing him and literally treating him like a thing and who behind his supposedly desire to save Westview, have overall a bit more questionable motivations inside ). This movie ruined all of the complexity that her character originally had by turning her into a irredeemable evil crazy bitch for nothing. I’m not against Wanda being turned into a villain because there were a lot of times when she was a villain in the comics and she was great but if it’s really what you want, just do it well.
It is one of the problems I keep seeing in these movies, they keep killing the villains. Most of the time they are the best villains. (sigh)
Fun Fact: Comic Book Black Order Was Able To Defeat/Occupy Characters Like The Hulk, Captain Marvel, Captain America, Thor And (Marvel’s Superman) Hyperion. at The Same Time. (Infinity Comic Book)
How do you know how to read comics and not know how to write
Great video as always man. if you’ve been watching, could you maybe do a video going through secret invasion??
Nice analysis, thank you!
Jason Statham Would Of Killed It as Taskmaster…
Red skull, Zemo, skrulls, taskmaster, yellow jacket, modock, abomination,crossbones, all wasted
Absolutely
the D+ shows could’ve been a cool way to bring back old villains. have red skull return to earth after five years of wandering the cosmos in TFATW. have Wanda through her chaos magic and infinity stone fuckery accidentally bring back Ultron in WandaVision. literally fucking have 2012 Loki return to the present day MCU by the end of his show lol. Maybe not the Loki one, but stuff like Ultron could’ve been cool in the way he’s brought back by Wanda, but bides his time and eventually goes back to his comic roots in ant-man 3 by being a villain who antagonizes Hank Pym since Tony isn’t around anymore. or villains like Red skull could still want to take over the world but has a higher wisdom from his time protecting the soul stone and still doesn’t like the Earth he’s come back to. Pretty sure one of falcons first fights was with Steve fighting Red Skull.
Wait, did you say that Thomas Hayden Church and Rhys Ifans didn't reprise their roles in No Way Home? Because that's _exactly_ incorrect.
They were in fact reprisals.
Well they didn’t really do much and they were the only that didn’t die in their movies
The MCU didn’t even show the rivalry between Adam warlock and Thanos or the rivalry of Thanos and OG Captain Mar-vell. (Who was a MAN)
Probably Peter trying to prevent Norman from being the goblin but by doing so, he created the goblin.
So will this cover every villain up to GOTG Vol 3 or will it stop before then?
Edit: Nvm, I got my anwser
Hi, i just want to say that I love your ideas. Can you do vids about you can fix the bad parts. Of MCU, or your own version?
For the high evolutionary: I can understand since the wanted him to be more expressive and him being a mechanical robot/cyborg wouldnt be as expressive as Chukwudi Iwuji who killed that role and made him memorial: plus he is kinda comic accurate with the face at the end and also we don’t know if he’s dead or not; meaning theirs possibility for him to return in a future Movie with a comic suit
He's alive, it's already confirmed
*¿But what's the point since we no longer have anything o thw guardians in mcu?
@@ArcTrooperRod-269the high evolutionary plays big roles in Xmen and Spider-Man arcs
Great video again and worth the wait.
Admittedly for a while I passed off the deceasing quality of marvel films as just me growing older but that’s not what’s happening.
The kids will not look back at these films and appreciate them like their parents did with Star Wars etc.
It’s just ‘content’ now. Consume and move on.
Bravo to this entire series
i’ve been pissed about ultron for almost ten years now😔
I never understood how these comic movies constantly f up the ending when they have source material to work with
It seems that your only criticism of Guardians villains is their lack of comic accuracy, which is silly, as by your own metrics, they are fantastic villains for their films, wonderfully performed, and perfect foils for the protagonists.
Ronan is perhaps a lil weak, but he *is* a perfectionist like the other villains, which is the opposite of the heroes.
Ego, the sovereign, and even taserface are all incredibly insecure villains, mirroring the guardians character drama in the film.
And Evo is literally a eugenicist who toys with the innocence of life, razing entire worlds on a whim, compelled by his own weakness and vulnerability, he is the PERFECT guardians villain.
🤡
@@ArcTrooperRod-269he’s right
His criticisms are less on lack of comic accuracy than on the film versions failing to live up to the comic versions; the problem isn't that they were changed, but that those changes made them worse. Ronan was terribly forgettable and Ego could have been better if the writers hadn't forgotten he was a planet. HE was a decent villain but never especially threatening.
And you just earned yourself another Subscriber sir
I would love if Immortus just swoops the floor with everyone
MA MAN IS BACK