The idea of exploring a depressed Thor after he feels like he failed to stop Thanos could have been really cool to see. Instead, they treated his mental health as one big joke.
Yet Wanda, who enslaved an entire town so she could play house with her fake children and blow-up doll, is portrayed in a sympathetic light. To add salt to the wound, they tried to justify it through the dumbest line in all of fiction. Maybe I'm overthinking it but I'll say it anyway. The treatment of Thor and Wanda during and after Endgame is a perfect reflection of how we look at depression based on gender. Women with depression are told "There, there" and are given nothing but sympathy. Men with depression are told they're being selfish and to snap out of it.
@@dannypalin9583 I hate everything they have been doing to Thor. Also to top that, Wanda used her depression as a justification to hurt and kill people while Thor’s biggest crime thanks to his depression was being fat.
did we watched the same movies? most of the jokes comes from thor himself trying to cope with depression. Look i get it i also would loved that love&thunder was more dark and serious, focusing on Thor and Gorr but i'm not going to act cynical about it
In another video someone pointed out Odin actual tells us what he thinks is Worthy. When Odin is removing Thor's powers he states all the things that makes him unworthy: Arrogance, stupidity, Starting a war(Needlessly endangering lives) and betraying loved ones. So Humility, Wisdom, Prudence, and Loyalty is what makes you worthy.
One of the biggest problems with MCU is the commitment to the characters personality. They had no issue turning everyones personalities into Ironman and Starlord once they figured out people loved Tony Stark for being a snarky smartass and Starlord being a goofball.
I agree. It seems like nowdays marvel just change the characters into whatever is benefiting the plot narrative. That's why we stack with mr beast hulk and 80's rockstar thor. Phase 4 could've developed the characters and actually give depth to them, something that infinite saga didn't really focused on, but instead they getting wasted to the point the audience aren't intrigued by there story
That's a good point and those character descriptions are actually more like the two actors real life personalities and how they portrayed the character, so other actors wouldn't be suited to the play the characters in the same way.
I always thought that Taika Waititi, and especially Marvel Studios, missed the point of why Guardians of the Galaxy worked. They copied the base line of it with Thor. The Guardians movies use 60s/70s music in their soundtracks, because Gunn established it through Star-Lord's mum. She grew up with it and raised him on that music. As a result, after she died and he was beamed up into a spaceship, the classic rock and disco songs are the only memory of her that Star-Lord has left. That's why he went back for his Walkman when the Guardians broke out of the Kyln. That's why he got pissed when Ego broke it after he admitted that he killed his love, because she got in the way. Despite losing his Walkman, Star-Lord gets a Zune from his real father, Yondu. He will always play his music when he and the Guardians are on missions. It's now a way to psyche them up or calm them down. Starting from Ragnarok, the Thor movies start using classic rock in their soundtracks out of nowhere. Immigrant Song isn't entirely unfitting, as it's about vikings, but where has Thor's affinity for this kind of music come from? Was it during his time on Earth with the Avengers? It's never explained. You could argue that it makes more sense in Love and Thunder because Thor has Yondu's Zune at his disposal, but the Guardians leave after the first 15 minutes and Guns 'n' Roses continues to blare. In a nutshell, they copied the Guardians formula for Thor without knowing why it worked.
A plot revolving around a god-slaying mass murderer and one of the heroes having cancer. You know what this movie needs? Obnoxious Taika Waititi comedy everywhere.
Honestly I think it wouls be awesome if they adapt the Unworthy Thor arc after IW, Aftee he failed to kill Thanos he no longer can lift Mjolnir because he does not feel Worthy, & thus he won't be Worthy
It’s actually debatable whether Norse mythology Thor was even fat to begin with And even if he was,he was the type of fat that has a lot muscles,he didn’t spend days playing video games,he used to hunt giants for fun
This is a case of people applying today's logic to the past. Thor represented hard-working individuals who wouldn't have the opportunity to get fat or bulk up. He was noted for having an almost roguish appearance and performed laborious tasks daily.
@@pelinalwhitestrake9306 I don't think I've ever seen him described as a shredded dudebro with 6 pack abs though, if anything he'd be like Eddie Hall or something, fucking HUGE but given the nature of his appetite and drinking, he'd have that powerlifter physique
0:33 Honestly, I know he skipped over it here because he talked about it before, which is 100% fair, but I do not think it can be stated enough how much of a betrayal it is to the character of Hulk to have him just be a punching bag Thanos plays with for a minute, and then have him get to "scared" to come back out and fight. Hulk doesnt get scared, hed just get more angry, and therefore, more powerful.
WORST PART.- His "Fear" IS NEVER STATED IN THE MOVIE, It was explained in an Off-Interview ¿WHY WE CAN'T HAVE A MOVIE THAT STANDS BY ITS OWN? *that "it was explained in an interview" gets me sick every time I heard it*
@@Ryderboycolor9 That bs post-hoc explanation doesn't work... because Hulk would know that if he doesn't come out, puny Bruce will get mortally injured and then Hulk will HAVE TO come out to prevent death. The stupid rationale you're repeating was made up after the fact in a thoughtless panic to try to deflect all of the valid criticism. They wrote the storyline to be funny and to make an ED joke and create an excuse to evolve him into Smart Hulk... and they didn't notice that their logic was full of holes and made a bad Hulk storyline, because they were busy writing 50+ other characters, too, trying to contrive ways for each of them to get to where they wanted them to be, too. The ONLY logical paths for Hulk refusing are either "he's scared" or "he gave up and wants to let Bruce and himself die." No other reason can logically fit with the established function of the character himself and how/when/why he comes out. Your reasoning contradicts the established way that Hulk functions, because Hulk's emergence has NEVER been based on "wanting to come out" in any way: it is a physiological response to anger, fear, or damage... and IF somehow it were the case that Hulk was being a pissy bitch like you assert, then the literal GENIUS Bruce would easily force Hulk to come out by doing ANYTHING that could kill himself.
@@chocov1233Halo 4 Is Peak *Great Story, Fun Gameplay & it has the Best Seasons of Red Vs Blue made on it* _if its sequels didn't live up to reach their level, that's a separate thing_
3:29 Funny thing is that the OG mythological Mjolnir has also been awkward to use because of the short handle. Loki has sabotaged the smithing process so he doesn't have to pay.
Thor should have had Hawkeyes arc in endgame. Go around the 9 realms killing wrongdoers, no matter how small their crimes, then he has to be talked into coming back (and never gets fat). Becoming depressed and fat isn't unrealistic but its certainly not cinematic
Here’s an idea, Loki should have attempted some sorcery but Ebony Maw quickly counteracts it, at least that would be a reasonable and believable explanation for why he resorted to a knife attack.
Man I am so pissed what they did to Gorr in Thor 4. Jason Aaron's Thor was one of my favorite comic book runs. They don't establish what the necrosword actually is (Knull's special weapon), they change Gorr's appearance to look more human than animal-like so instead of being intimidating he just looks like bald Christian Bale on several bags of cocaine. We don't even see him kill or torture any gods, doesn't have enough screen time, and Bale's performance was not very good which is mostly to blame on the director and the script Taika Waititi spitted all over on. Gorr could've been the one that would've knocked the lightheartedness out of Thor. The film failed to establish him as an actual threat and failed to replicate the resentment he had towards the gods in the comics. But I guess all of that can't work when your writers become apathetic and when executives approve everything regardless of quality
The way they treated Thor is basically a representation of what nowadays society thinks about men mental health. "Thor is sad because he lost everything and everyone? Oh, bumer... oH nO jAnE iS SicK!!! (remember Jane, right? Well shes Thor now, and yea "Thor" is a tittle now, not a name.)"
It's quite upsetting because Love and Thunder could've been a slam dunk. You could've kept the B Plot of Jane dying from cancer but you have Enchantress in Thor's ear constantly as the antagonist and secondary love interest. Kind of like a high stakes love triangle where Enchantress does have feelings for Thor but is ultimately just using him for her evil ends, while Jane is actively dying from cancer but still doing her best to help Thor pick up the pieces of whats left of Thor's emotional status post Endgame where he didn't really have a 100% full development from his lazy self. You can still have the emotionally confused Thor like the Execs want and pin him between two strong female characters. And in the end where Enchantress is foiled by a rekindled love between Thor and Jane, it still elevates Thor's character on his virtue of loyalty to others and himself, which I think is one of the core pillars of being "worthy" as we currently understand it in the MCU.
Taika Waititi: yeah or I could have goats scream at you and have Jane quip nonsense. Ooh I should make Thor act like he’s dating his axe but still has feelings for his hammer. That sounds more fun to me 🤡
The Wakanda entrance could've been done even better. It was a clear, sunny day. Clouds should've formed, then a few drops of rain. A distant rumble... THEN BOOM!!! Lightning strikes.
It really is dissapointing how they handled Loki. If he was comic Loki, then realistically him handing over the Tesseract would have been an illusion. And what do you know, if he tricked Thanos into thinking he had the space stone when he didn't, then that knife stab actually would have landed and probably hurt him quite a lot, if not killed him.
When you criticize the interaction between Thor and Quill for being about two identical characters trying to outwit each other, that's actually what the 90s FF cartoon avoided. In a very similar scenario (which might as well inspired the one from IW, much like GOTG2 felt like a recycle of the plot from that same FF episode) Thor and Ben Grim have comedic interactions, but it all comes down to those two being polar opposites of each other. Thor is very serious and sincere while Ben is acting like a quippy football jock. That's how you should do comedy with characters like Thor. You pit them against someone who is the polar opposite of them, and that way you have contrasting personalities. If you turn Thor into every other funny hero with the exact same speech and personality traits, it's not funny or exciting. It's why Gimli works as a funny character - he has super serious Legolas to interact with. If Legolas was a goofball like Gimli, it would stop being comedic and become embarrassing pretty fast. That is what the MCU can't understand: contrasting personalities is a good setup for comedy, not identical personalities.
Same with Hawkeye & Hulk in EMH, I enjoy SO MUCH watchung those 2 sharing screen because they got so much chemistry despite acting & having a behavior That is NOTHING ALIKE
One funny aspect about these new replacement heroes is that most of them don't even want to be heroes in the first place and think it's a joke aside from Kamala and maybe Falcon. You'd think that would be part of a character arc, but these characters are also never meant to change, so you're just watching a character who can't be bothered get dragged around by the plot. Really entertaining stuff
On the point about "Fat Thor is faithful to the mythology" ... the people saying that are the same ones who screamed that you were racist if you pointed out that Heimdall is literally called "the white god" and is famed for having "Snow White" skin in the mythology and that the Valkyries were also stereotypically Nordic (because it's NORSE mythology)... so it's weird that they race-swapped characters that have a basis in real world historical myths of a specific culture. They say that mythology has no bearing on it and that it's good to break from faithful adaptation when it comes to literal cultural appropriation (which they would condemn if a modern fictional character or historically-based fictional character that's not white were played by a white actor)... but when they appropriate a fit white character to make them fat, they'll desperately try to find the one historical reference where one poem called Thor an adjective that could be misconstrued as meaning "massive because he's fat" instead of "massive because he's strong" to try to falsely justify the change and then scream that it's faithful to the mythos.
I agree, I really didn't like the way Thor was depicted in God of War Ragnarok for instance. It would have been fine if he was evil (thats kindof GoW's thing), but why make him a fat loser?
It seems the people on either side of that argument are wrong. While Thor was never made out to be fat, Heimdall's title is not about pigmentation. Using colours to describe people in today's world is different from how it was. Heimdall is being noted for his honour, probity, and beauty. It is a shine from his presence rather than a superfluous reference. The light elves and their black/dwarf counterparts are similarly described.
@pelinalwhitestrake9306 There was a pattern of subversion in God of War. What I found most interesting is how Asgard was almost exclusively Thor's immediate family. It also pulled from the Marvel stuff more than people are acknowledging. The realms appeared to be different planets, and Thor flies around with his trusty hammer. It certainly was not the legend.
@@SmilingSeraph No... go look up Norse mythology: Heimdall was literally blindingly WHITE in color... not "caucasian," but solid white, and it was a big deal. That's why Feige, Alonso, and what's his name chose him specifically as the Asgardian to do a race swap on, rather than a character with historically or culturally ambiguous color, going for a definitive statement of purpose that can't be misinterpreted like swapping some random side character who isn't fleshed out in mythology.
i pray for the MCUS's end, not out of malice. simply form a place were i used to really love these films, and i really love the source material. but weve fallen so far theres no point going on
I think your most understated criticism here is how Starlord and Thor have basically become the same character. For as big (or let’s be honest, bloated) as the cast of the MCU is so many of them are interchangeable “quippy, but good nature assholes.” It reminds me of Jenny Nicholson’s criticism of the MCU a few years ago. “What’s it going to be like when Iron Man teams up with Ant Man and Star Lord? Will just be everyone sitting in a circle coming up with the most contrived pop culture reference insult for the villain of the week?” (Paraphrased.) I don’t think she was far off. The only two who were really different were Black Widow and Black Panther.
Thor has gone through a similar "discovering himself" arc in at least FIVE films: Thor 1, 3, 4, IW, and Endgame. Dude should friggin' know who he is by now at his core. He's a top-tier warrior with a big heart, who's earned his worthiness after countless tragedies, who's loyalty is unquestioned and who should be a king protecting the various realms.
Fun Fact: The reason why Loki looks young in the mcu is because Loki in the mcu takes a lot of inspiration from the ultimate marvel comics(Earth 1610). Also are you planning on doing The Non MCU Marvel Villains Problem?
In Norse mythology Thor’s physique is never described, except for him having red hair and a red beard and a huge appetite, Thor most likely looked like bigger and stronger version of normal men that lived in Scandinavia, and Thor from marvel isn’t the same as Thor from the myths, they are only similar in some places. Sif for example looks nothing like her Norse myths self, in the myths she’s described as having long golden hair and she wasn’t really a warrior, while in marvel she’s got jet black hair and is a warrior. There is also something else I would like to add and that is that I find it quite disappointing that we never saw jormungandr or even got a hint to him in these films. For the ones that don’t know, jormungandr/the world serpent is Thor arch nemesis in Norse myths, and they are destined to kill each other come ragnarok. Ragnarok in the films is also so disappointing, ragnarok is supposed to be final battle of the gods, it’s supposed to be huge and epic as all hell, in the film it’s just surtur, where are armies of hel? where are all of the other gods? Why even call the film ragnarok, when there is pretty much no ragnarok in it?
And also mjolnir’s handle was unintentionally made short, I’m going to simplify the story now , the dwarves are tasked with making gifts too the gods and when making mjolnir, Loki interferes and messes up the dwarves work so the handle ends up being pretty short
Thro is god of war ragnarok is a bit more like mythical Thor, like for example he’s got red hair and a red beard and mjolnir looks more like it’s mythical self,(mjolnir in the game by the way looks so fucking cool and marvel should make mjolnir look like that, it just looks so much more powerful and badass) but there are still difference like for example Thor in the game is drunk and Odin treats him like shit, while in the myths Thor does have a huge appetite (he once drank like 1/5 of the ocean) but he isn’t really a depressed alcoholic, but Thor in gowr is so much better than mcu Thor, because he’s not the butt of everyone’s joke, his depression and sadness is taken seriously, he’s still a badass, he’s played by Ryan hurst, who by the way is absolutely fantastic as Thor, that voice is just so good, his wife and daughter don’t make fun of him for being an alcoholic, they love him and want to help him, in the little screen time he has he has more screen presence than Thor in the mcu ever had, all in all Thor in gowr is so much better than mcu Thor I hope we get a game with him with Ryan hurst playing him, I would just about anything to get that
Also, Superman aside, lots of Shonen characters have that same character archetype you describe. Goku, Naruto, etc, these characters have strong moral foundations and world views that don't change and the thrill comes from watching villians put them in situations that put tremendous strain on their convictions and tempt the characters to break them. And those characters are loved by many. It's really very doable and already generally successful.
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Goku just wanted to have a tournament, the stakes were introduced cause the Zeno just wanted to destroy some universes. Nothing to do with Goku
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Okay okay okay, Goku BEFORE Toriyama brought him back after giving him a lobotomy to dumb him tf down. Pre Super Goku actually understood the stakes, and used his good nature to help his much weaker friends deal with the stress of fighting sometimes planet busting level enemies. He was charmingly simple, not more smooth brained than a freshly polished coffee table. Super Goku is a buffoon. I have no excuse for him
Exactly, nowhere in the texts it's said that he was fat. It's just bullshit people came up with to justify his portrayal in GOW Ragnarok which was also inaccurate and disrespectful.
@@TheN1ghtwalker how was it disrespectful? They don’t make him the butt off everyone’s joke, Thor is never physically described in Norse mythology (expect for having a red beard and red hair, something he does have in the game, and he also had a huge appetite) of course he isn’t fully accurate too mythological Thor, but the main problem with Norse myths is that all we know about it comes after the christianization of Scandinavia, so we don’t know exactly what is accurate and what is there because of Christian influences, but Thor in god of war ragnarok is fucking awesome and Ryan hurst does an absolutely fantastic job
@@Game-time-started Thor in this game is an incompetent drunkard who can't stop getting L's, being lectured by his own daughter who is of course better than him in every way and in the end instakilled by Odin who looks like a frail old man in this game. What happened to Thor being the strongest of the gods and dying in an epic battle with Jörmungandr?
@@TheN1ghtwalker when is Thor incomplete? He succeeds at pretty much everything he’s tasked with, his daughter is better than him? When, is she a better person than him? Yeah, is she stronger? No. This is odin’s descripton in Norse myths: Odin was the great magician among the gods and was associated with runes. He was also the god of poets. In outward appearance he was a tall, old man, with flowing beard and only one eye (the other he gave in exchange for wisdom). He was usually depicted wearing a cloak and a wide-brimmed hat and carrying a spear. Odin in Norse myths is an old man, he’s not Zeus, he’s not huge and muscular, Odin is also cunning and manipulative in many Norse stories, here are descriptions of is manipulation: Odin is not described as a moral exemplar and is often seen winning battles and out-maneuvering opponents using guile, trickery and outright deception. Odin killing Thor instantly, whats wrong about that, Thor wasn’t going to do what Odin wanted anymore, so Odin decided to depose of him with a quick strike before Thor could react, Thor being the strongest of the gods? Didn’t you play the game, he is the strongest but being the strongest of all Norse gods doesn’t mean that you are undefeateable, his fight with jormungandr? They take their liberties with their fight, with Thor surviving but beating jormungandr, but their fight was in the background and would have been epic if we actually got to either fight him on top of jormungandr or to actually get to play as him fighting jormungandr and I will admit that it was pretty disappointing, and the last fight with Thor is quite disappointing in terms of scale compared to his and kratos first fight
Mythical Thor isn't even supposed to be fat. That's just a lie and a cope people made to defend God of War which in itself never tried to be accurate in the first place.
@@Rieky22 Yeah, it still just annoys me how ever since Thor was shown off for the game, people kept lying about how Thor is actually supposed to be fat in mythology. It's such a pointless hill to die on and thing to lie about given how most God of War designs are completely original and not founded in mythology anyway. It just really pisses me off when people spread misconceptions about anything.
Mjölner is supposed to be small - as it's the result of Loki's trickestry during it's making. But I think American media cronically missunderstand the Norse gods and their characters. Especially Thor, and that's a mostly a reflection of the writers themselves. Thor are the most human of the gods - more a jolly giant and a bit of a hillbilly in that he's no where near the wisest but can have his moments, that are also a ticking time bomb if you try to anger him. Not some drunken brawler or lost prince as in Assasin Creed and Marvel respectively.
*12:01** Personally That was one of the reasons I enjoyed a lot Arrow season 8, it was Really heartwarming seeing a Comicbook media that put so much focus on closing Cycles, finishing chapters & Accepting Grief & Permanent death as a natural conclusion* & they focused so much on Oliver saying goodbye to all his love ones 💚🏹🎯 & Even when his death & assention to Spectre was unnecesary conveluted & confusing, I'm Happy that now with arrowverse finally put to rest , Oliver's Death Remained Permanent
Kinda miss the standalone cbm we used to get, the interconnected universes and multiverse stuff is just tiring to see and hear nowadays. That’s why I love The Batman (or vengeance as he likes to be called) because of how solid of a movie it was without being apart of the old dceu
I quite liked the depressed Thor arc from Endgame. It makes sense given what he'd been through. The still worthy scene was a reminder that suffering through depression doesn't make you unworthy or a failure. That you can still pick yourself back up and make something of yourself. The problem is that they never properly recovered from that arc. They never had Thor go back to being Epic Thor and he remained incompetent idiot Thor for all of Love and Thunder. That's what makes Endgame Thor look worse in retrospect.
While you could say Thor spent so much time on Earth which made him a goofball, even I think he would be a Serious character who would only do something fun twice in some movie
5:19 actually Mjolnir was stated to be the most powerful weapon in the universe in the comics, it made perfect sense since both weapons were built by dwarves, and seeing that one was just built to counter the other it makes sense for the most part.
If we're going to suggest changes for avengers: age of ultron, we'd have to start by addressing the first avengers film and its aggravating lack of ant-man and wasp (the latter literally naming the team).
Well you forgot to mention the deleted scene where Zeus was nice to Thor that he taught him how to use the Thunderbolt and yeah Amora should have been there from the beginning of the MCU also that asgardians kids should be much tougher than an average person
I think the reason they gave that Stormbreaker can withstand the Gauntlet is because the metal used to make it absorbs energy. It wasn’t set up at all and it would’ve been much cooler if it was but that’s the reason they gave
Instead of making Thor a sad fat bum in Endgame instead make Him angry after killing Thanos and have Him become a vigilante who is searching for a purpose after failing to stop The Snap until Bruce calls and tells Him about the time travel plan but instead of having Bruce snap Thor voluntares out of remorse and in the final battle Thor can't oneshot Thanos since His arm was burned by The Gauntlet After Tony's sacrifice Thor becomes stoic and goes to different planets trying to end all conflicts in the universe
He should had an arc similar to Ronin, showing him as irrational & constantly trying to Kill himself for failing, but Don't doing it because of his desire of constantly help damned people(SPECIALLY THE ASGARDIANS) *I mean, you can even show he's no longer worthy, since the stormbreaker does NOT have the enchantress, that would be a Way Better twist than cap lifting it*
3:46 arguable the best thor's hammer by design alone. Also it was made by humanity because shield is just that good and have enough money and resources to buy out every single mega corporation. And this hammer have a teleporter. In the Horus Heresy the primarch of the salamanders, Vulkan had a warhammer with a teleporter inside it. It's just that it might be similar to warp travel. The warhammer 40k kind. Man the ultimate marvel universe had some genuinely interesting ideas with it but they fumbled the bag so hard. At least spiderman was goated.
Hey Braeden I just want to say I love your videos but could you keep making videos like this? Admittedly im only 16 so I grew up with the mcu and not the comics and growing up I thought it was pretty good. Watching your videos comparing and contrasting the two really brings to light just how much better it could’ve been and you introduce me to new and better marvel stories through the comics with your videos . Please keep making content like this.
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 oh yea I figured that and as high quality as his content is he deserves whatever time he needs to make them nobody can really argue with that
4:30 Yep, that was along the lines of my reaction as well. It was a proper "oh shit" moment, when you realized there is a god on the battlefield. And not just a god-in-training, as Thor was portrayed in the MCU up till the end of Ragnarok, but a god now in full control of his powers, wielding a weapon that puts Mjolnir to shame capable of directing the Bifrost itself and out for mother fucking revenge. This was the god-level hero on the avengers team, the trump card to even the playing field against the threat in Endgame. This could have been anime level fight scene, levelling mountains and abandoned cities as we see the full power of a god meet a mostly assembled infinity gauntlet. Shit, throw in a proper Hulk while you're at it and that is what should have stood between Thanos and the rest of the Avengers, as they fight the Black Order for the macguffin. Maybe Thor showing up should have prevent Thanos getting the mind stone in the first place. Having the assembled gauntlet at the end of infinity war was a mistake any ways (if you need time travel in an otherwise non-time-travel story, you've done fucked up). Thor showing up should have simply turned the tide and caused a reset, where both sides get some time to recuperate. Heck, if the MCU hadn't butchered all it's villains, this could have been the opportunity for Thanos to level the playing field *for himself*, by getting some other big-bads on his team. Could you imagine Thanos with a non-gimped Loki on his side, maybe get an Ultron who was hiding away, secretly rebuilding in there as well to tie up Iron Man and Crew? Instead we got a villain with a supposed infinite power level snap half the population out of existence, which should have been childsplay compared to Thanos' new plan to rebuild the universe from the very foundations, leaving him crippled, the stones destroyed and a universe that can only be fixed with time travel. As for Love and Thunder, I feel like they kind of wanted to redo the "becoming a true god" arc, and that's what him giving the kids power at the end was supposed to symbolize. He has moved past being a super hero (even by asguardian standards) and has become a full on god. But we already saw that at the end of Ragnarok as well as at the end of Infinity war. They just clearly don't know what to do with Thor, so they redo they need to redo the same character development in every one of his movies. Thor, Ragnarok, Infinity War, Love and Thunder...
I really liked Loki, especially the second season and the last episode - which seems to have been a throwback to the old mythology. It actually had more sorcery in it than any of the Thor movies, but the funny thing was, my whole family kept saying it was a Dr. Who movie. Which we quite enjoyed, because Disney seemed to have killed off Dr Who. So we enjoyed our Loki-Dr Who-Tom Hiddleston replacement while it lasted. It even had a bunch of great companions such as Mobius and Short Round. Because there certainly was no Dr Who in the Disney Dr Who series, that's for sure.
Thor was my favorite Marvel comic character. The MCU completely bastardized him, but the problems began in the first Thor movie. None of the MCU movies respect the Source.
You know what I just realized: since Thor 5 will not include Taika Waititi and they do want to go into a „more serious“ tone, they would still need to include that girl somehow in there. So we got a norse setting, an at least attempt at more serious and a younger lead. There‘s a chance they‘ll just make a God of War Rip-off.
Do you really think that Thor 5 is going to be serious? Seriously, it’s going to be marvels version of ‘serious’ which pretty much means that there’s going to be jokes every fife minutes instead of every minute
Honestly its kind of like cultural dissonance, plus hindsight is 20/20. The majority of the MCU including the early stuff is not that great and the reason most people dont know better or understand really is due to a lack of reading the source material and truly understanding the characters. So when movies bastardize characters or make crazy changes to the story how are the viewers going to know better? I mean how many people are aware that MCU Nick Fury is nothing like comic Nick Fury? I bet if you told people that he's a white guy and talks and looks like this..., then they be like 'what i didnt know that'. Plus everyone want to make 'their' version of a character and story and instead of staying true to the core elements of both they just do what they want and we get real misrepresentation. People talk about MCU Spiderman like he's the BEST and TRUEST one but that's not accurate at all. Not saying people cant like things but MCU has created so many warped opinions and ideas of Marvel's characters and stories.
@@HaloWingProductionsIn regards to Nick Fury, at least his look is based on his Ultimate Marvel counterpart, which, in turn, was based on Samuel L. Jackson.
@@EclipsingTNT fair enough but still its not the iconic, og version of Nick Fury and since most people only accept what adaptations put directly in front of them they believe that version is the og. Also I just get tired of seeing iconic actors just being themselves dressed up as a character rather than 'being' the character. You know what I mean?
@@HaloWingProductions I mean, the og version of Nick Fury wasn't really 'iconic'. Most people didn't really pay attention to Nick until the Ultimate rendition.
@@Ergeniz I cant personally say whether that's true or not (Im still trying to learn more about the comic versions) I only mentioned Fury because it was the first obvious one to pop into my head when I commented. I only meant that people are usually so familiar with the MCU versions of characters that if you correct them about inaccuracies they look at you like you're crazy until you tell them how the movie versions aren't even the same person, just like in these Thor videos where Thor and Loki aren't even the same person as their comic version.
Supposedly having the guantlet with all the gems debilitates thanos, thats why thanos without the gems is stronger, as he doesn't have to endure wielding the gems
honestly i agree with most of what you say here i wish thor could be like how he was in infinity war still THAT WAS thor that was the god of thunder and yeah where is Enchantress i wanna her in the mcu so badly after hearing you talk about her its prob gonna be through the multi verse tho
A very good breakdown as to why MCU Thor has been bad. I do like MCU Thor but I recognize he is a farcry from his comic book counterpart and it is a shame. I do think there could be a healthy balance of keeping the Shakespearan, fantasy element of Thor while having him interact in the MCU world. For me, where the Thor films failed was that they didn't take advantage of the Nine Realms. Thor, if I was to pitch it; is Lord of the Rings/ epic fantasy. We have Thor and the warrior's three, alongside Sif, who go on adventures, fight giants, elves etc. all the while Thor has to balance his duties to Asgard and Earth. Heck, if you really wanted to have Thor team up with someone, outside Hulk, maybe get Dr. Strange? Both are magic based, and it would be neat to see a magical warrior and the master of the mystic arts have to work together to defeat an enemy that they cannot beat alone.
Endgame made Thor into a pathetic loser, and a complete joke. They had him hide from and eventually completely abandon his own people. Cutting his ties to both Earth and Asgard. Leaving him with nothing. Broke the character beyond repair. Thor 4 just continued what Endgame set up.
The MCU from the very beginning has been terrified of letting their male heroes be straight up badasses and often undercut epic scenes with dumb humor. Now it seems like that mindset is in full swing 'cause they basically killed off Thor and Hulk who are probaby their strongest most badass characters and are endlessly neutering Dr Strange who should be on their level
You’re right on every point. My only difference with you is that I’ve utterly disliked Marvel since the mid-1980’s when they finally and completely tanked creatively (as through the latter half of the 70’s fans saw them obviously go downhill…although there were still enough exceptions to make Marvel merit some enthusiasm at the time). The early to mid-80’s also saw a few bright spots, but by the middle of the decade and certainly by the end Marvel was a joke to any older reader, to those who had known a better Marvel brand, and more importantly to comics readers who had a keener insight and appreciation of what comics could/should be (Raw, Concrete, Sandman, Nexus, Miracleman, Grendl to name only a few). 20 years of modern Marvel and fifty of DC’s mainstream superheroes was much more than enough, and Marvel in particular had become the very definition of crap by the early 90’s (a shocking turnaround considering how cool they had been when I was a kid and young teen).
9:50 Thank you for saying this. I HATE how much they ruined Thor in every facet to make Captain America more worthy. But hey, since Cap is a straight white guy, not a “strong female character” so it’s fine to do it, right?
I can’t remember who said it, but another TH-camr pointed out this whole hypocrisy of “it’s okay to make the hero look weak if they’re propping up another male hero” thing. It’s almost as if the problem is bad writing and not “wokeness.”
so basically we cant take you seriously. you will always have an inherant bias towards the versions you "grew up with". otherwise why else would you bring that up? you're screaming to the world you cant be objective and evaluate based on merits
19:50 they also made Thor do nothing while the door to Eternity is open. Jane has the Necrosword, and Gorr is on the floor. After everything they did, that's the reason they lose. It makes you see the character as incredibly stupid and infuriating.
What does he do expect for being a punching bag and being an absolute loser, I would suggest you watch efap’s review of Loki, they could explain it better than me why Loki show is absolute dogshit
@@Game-time-startedHe's not a punching bag, now they turned him into one of the most powerful beings, it was sort of poetic how they did it, still the show has some flaws.
I’ll admit, even if the execution was off, I do kinda dig the arc they were trying to have with Thor in Endgame. “Even in the depths of your own misery, depression, and self-hatred you are still worthy” is such an inspiring and hopeful message in a franchise that seems terrified of expressing genuine emotions. A damn shame James Gunn is the only good writer in the entirety of the MCU. Had he helmed Infinity War and Endgame, I guarantee we’d get one of the best character arcs in the MCU. The Russos are not James Gunn.
I'd still recommend you to watch Loki, since as far as I've heard, people find it quite enjoyable. I've been saying it myself that Loki stopped being Loki since infinity war and Ragnarok, but it is what it is. If you're watching something like the she Hulk or the marvels, which are universally hated, might as well give a chance to something with supporters, even though the main character is a different personality with the same face and a facade of his former self
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 don't make me list all the moments where men get belittled in the MCU. Stop being ignorant. It's every male character. Should I give you some examples and then you be quiet? Hawkeye in his show having his female fan taking over because he's pathetic now. Hulk being weaker as his female cousin She-Hulk because she better in every way. Poor thing got catcalled. He's pathetic now. Nick Fury becoming an pathetic old man who needs to be saved by a woman who as Every! Power. He cried a lot. No dignity left. Loki needing female Loki to save the day and be belittled all the time. Ant-Man has his daughter. The list goes on. There is no dignity
@@saschaberger3212 professor hulk was weaker than "real" hulk in the comics. also irrelevant since banner clearly didnt fight her seriously. nick fury HAS NO POWERS. what, did you think he can solo every villain by himself? sylvie was pretty much irrelevant to season 2. that was the complete loki show. and she is portrayed as wrong and stupid for insisting on murdering he who remains out of misplaced revenge. hawkeye's an old-ass man who just got done being a murderous vigilante for 5 years cutting his way through the criminal underworld.
While watching Endgame in the movies for the first time I thought Thor would have a short scene showing him running from New Asgard to Avengers Compound and he'd be fit again after that since his godly methabolism. Latter in the movie I thought he'd be magicaly turned back indo his fit form due to the Stormbreaker/Mjolnir transformation...I was dissapointed in after all that...
And they want to make a Thor 5... With what major villains? They have wasted the best of Thor's rogues gallery. Loki was used enough but very poorly. Malekith was wasted, Hela was decent, but wasted in a comedy movie. Executioner was wasted. Surtur was painfully underutilized. Gorr was wasted and in a horrible movie. The Serpent would work well as a main villain, but they already used the long lost relative story and turn Hela into Thor's sister. As for Enchantress, it would make no sense for her to appear at this point. I would say MCU needs to reboot, but what would be the point? Disney is still behind it and with the same agenda and poor creative quality. A reboot is futile. MCU is truly dead.
Hey look you have criticised these movies for being bad adaptations of the comics particilarly in the aesthetics department, I don't think it's bad to acknowledge the original source to even those interpretations. Also they displayed the axe cancelling out the infinity gauntlet power. Not that he's overpowering Thanos. Thanos not overusing the gauntlet pretty much doesn't leave any room for Thor.
The idea of exploring a depressed Thor after he feels like he failed to stop Thanos could have been really cool to see. Instead, they treated his mental health as one big joke.
Yet Wanda, who enslaved an entire town so she could play house with her fake children and blow-up doll, is portrayed in a sympathetic light. To add salt to the wound, they tried to justify it through the dumbest line in all of fiction.
Maybe I'm overthinking it but I'll say it anyway. The treatment of Thor and Wanda during and after Endgame is a perfect reflection of how we look at depression based on gender.
Women with depression are told "There, there" and are given nothing but sympathy. Men with depression are told they're being selfish and to snap out of it.
@@dannypalin9583 I hate everything they have been doing to Thor.
Also to top that, Wanda used her depression as a justification to hurt and kill people while Thor’s biggest crime thanks to his depression was being fat.
did we watched the same movies? most of the jokes comes from thor himself trying to cope with depression. Look i get it i also would loved that love&thunder was more dark and serious, focusing on Thor and Gorr but i'm not going to act cynical about it
That's basically how society treats men's mental health.
Was you eyes with bleach and leather @@ricardomiles2957
In another video someone pointed out Odin actual tells us what he thinks is Worthy. When Odin is removing Thor's powers he states all the things that makes him unworthy: Arrogance, stupidity, Starting a war(Needlessly endangering lives) and betraying loved ones.
So Humility, Wisdom, Prudence, and Loyalty is what makes you worthy.
Video name?
@@Based_Gigachad_001 "Avengers: Endgame - How to Annihilate Continuity" By S.K. In the "Captain America isn't worthy" segment.
Funny how Mighty Thor hardly have any of that and is still worthy
I hated how Gorr looked.
@@celestialsoldier622am I tripping or does this video not exist? Can’t find it at all
One of the biggest problems with MCU is the commitment to the characters personality.
They had no issue turning everyones personalities into Ironman and Starlord once they figured out people loved Tony Stark for being a snarky smartass and Starlord being a goofball.
They missed the whole point of “Don’t waste it. Don’t waste your life.” thing with Stark.
I agree. It seems like nowdays marvel just change the characters into whatever is benefiting the plot narrative. That's why we stack with mr beast hulk and 80's rockstar thor. Phase 4 could've developed the characters and actually give depth to them, something that infinite saga didn't really focused on, but instead they getting wasted to the point the audience aren't intrigued by there story
That's a good point and those character descriptions are actually more like the two actors real life personalities and how they portrayed the character, so other actors wouldn't be suited to the play the characters in the same way.
I always thought that Taika Waititi, and especially Marvel Studios, missed the point of why Guardians of the Galaxy worked. They copied the base line of it with Thor.
The Guardians movies use 60s/70s music in their soundtracks, because Gunn established it through Star-Lord's mum. She grew up with it and raised him on that music. As a result, after she died and he was beamed up into a spaceship, the classic rock and disco songs are the only memory of her that Star-Lord has left. That's why he went back for his Walkman when the Guardians broke out of the Kyln. That's why he got pissed when Ego broke it after he admitted that he killed his love, because she got in the way.
Despite losing his Walkman, Star-Lord gets a Zune from his real father, Yondu. He will always play his music when he and the Guardians are on missions. It's now a way to psyche them up or calm them down.
Starting from Ragnarok, the Thor movies start using classic rock in their soundtracks out of nowhere. Immigrant Song isn't entirely unfitting, as it's about vikings, but where has Thor's affinity for this kind of music come from? Was it during his time on Earth with the Avengers? It's never explained. You could argue that it makes more sense in Love and Thunder because Thor has Yondu's Zune at his disposal, but the Guardians leave after the first 15 minutes and Guns 'n' Roses continues to blare.
In a nutshell, they copied the Guardians formula for Thor without knowing why it worked.
@@dannypalin9583 Honestly, even the Guardians movies are less adaptations of the comics and more 'James Gunn stuff' with an MCU aesthetic.
A plot revolving around a god-slaying mass murderer and one of the heroes having cancer. You know what this movie needs? Obnoxious Taika Waititi comedy everywhere.
Honestly I think it wouls be awesome if they adapt the Unworthy Thor arc after IW, Aftee he failed to kill Thanos he no longer can lift Mjolnir because he does not feel Worthy, & thus he won't be Worthy
It’s actually debatable whether Norse mythology Thor was even fat to begin with
And even if he was,he was the type of fat that has a lot muscles,he didn’t spend days playing video games,he used to hunt giants for fun
It probably stems from the fact he was said to have a voracious appetite, which wouldn't necessarily make him fat given his activities and tasks.
This is a case of people applying today's logic to the past. Thor represented hard-working individuals who wouldn't have the opportunity to get fat or bulk up. He was noted for having an almost roguish appearance and performed laborious tasks daily.
@@pelinalwhitestrake9306 I don't think I've ever seen him described as a shredded dudebro with 6 pack abs though, if anything he'd be like Eddie Hall or something, fucking HUGE but given the nature of his appetite and drinking, he'd have that powerlifter physique
0:33 Honestly, I know he skipped over it here because he talked about it before, which is 100% fair, but I do not think it can be stated enough how much of a betrayal it is to the character of Hulk to have him just be a punching bag Thanos plays with for a minute, and then have him get to "scared" to come back out and fight.
Hulk doesnt get scared, hed just get more angry, and therefore, more powerful.
But then we couldn’t have “funny” Bruce banner with erectile dishulktion
hulk was not scared of thanos he did not wanna keep playing the hero role for banner nothing to with fear
WORST PART.- His "Fear" IS NEVER STATED IN THE MOVIE, It was explained in an Off-Interview
¿WHY WE CAN'T HAVE A MOVIE THAT STANDS BY ITS OWN?
*that "it was explained in an interview" gets me sick every time I heard it*
@@Ryderboycolor9 That bs post-hoc explanation doesn't work... because Hulk would know that if he doesn't come out, puny Bruce will get mortally injured and then Hulk will HAVE TO come out to prevent death. The stupid rationale you're repeating was made up after the fact in a thoughtless panic to try to deflect all of the valid criticism. They wrote the storyline to be funny and to make an ED joke and create an excuse to evolve him into Smart Hulk... and they didn't notice that their logic was full of holes and made a bad Hulk storyline, because they were busy writing 50+ other characters, too, trying to contrive ways for each of them to get to where they wanted them to be, too. The ONLY logical paths for Hulk refusing are either "he's scared" or "he gave up and wants to let Bruce and himself die." No other reason can logically fit with the established function of the character himself and how/when/why he comes out. Your reasoning contradicts the established way that Hulk functions, because Hulk's emergence has NEVER been based on "wanting to come out" in any way: it is a physiological response to anger, fear, or damage... and IF somehow it were the case that Hulk was being a pissy bitch like you assert, then the literal GENIUS Bruce would easily force Hulk to come out by doing ANYTHING that could kill himself.
How else can we show how strong thanos is ? Yall took "invincible hulk" too serious 😂😂
Taika Waititi's Thor movies show why nobody should ever be put in charge of a franchise he only has disdain for.
Another example is Halo 4.
SAME WITH SHANE BLACK IN BOTH, PREDATORS & IRON MAN 3
@@chocov1233Halo 4 Is Peak
*Great Story, Fun Gameplay & it has the Best Seasons of Red Vs Blue made on it*
_if its sequels didn't live up to reach their level, that's a separate thing_
3:29 Funny thing is that the OG mythological Mjolnir has also been awkward to use because of the short handle. Loki has sabotaged the smithing process so he doesn't have to pay.
Thor should have had Hawkeyes arc in endgame. Go around the 9 realms killing wrongdoers, no matter how small their crimes, then he has to be talked into coming back (and never gets fat). Becoming depressed and fat isn't unrealistic but its certainly not cinematic
Here’s an idea, Loki should have attempted some sorcery but Ebony Maw quickly counteracts it, at least that would be a reasonable and believable explanation for why he resorted to a knife attack.
Man I am so pissed what they did to Gorr in Thor 4. Jason Aaron's Thor was one of my favorite comic book runs. They don't establish what the necrosword actually is (Knull's special weapon), they change Gorr's appearance to look more human than animal-like so instead of being intimidating he just looks like bald Christian Bale on several bags of cocaine. We don't even see him kill or torture any gods, doesn't have enough screen time, and Bale's performance was not very good which is mostly to blame on the director and the script Taika Waititi spitted all over on. Gorr could've been the one that would've knocked the lightheartedness out of Thor. The film failed to establish him as an actual threat and failed to replicate the resentment he had towards the gods in the comics. But I guess all of that can't work when your writers become apathetic and when executives approve everything regardless of quality
Same. To be honest, mcu Thanos is more like Gorr than Gorr is
Yeah Gorr should be like a Horror movie monster
The incompetent clown who made that movie changed Gorr's appearance because he said people would say he looks like Voldemort. *facepalm*
Thor love and thunder could've been the movie the that reinvented the character and gave thor actual role but instead we got that direct to dvd sequel
They removed one scene in which Gorr rips off tattoos from his face which would have made movie more watchable.
The way they treated Thor is basically a representation of what nowadays society thinks about men mental health. "Thor is sad because he lost everything and everyone? Oh, bumer... oH nO jAnE iS SicK!!! (remember Jane, right? Well shes Thor now, and yea "Thor" is a tittle now, not a name.)"
Loki's limitation of imagination is low.
the writers*
DO MARVEL CHARACTERS BETTER.
It's quite upsetting because Love and Thunder could've been a slam dunk. You could've kept the B Plot of Jane dying from cancer but you have Enchantress in Thor's ear constantly as the antagonist and secondary love interest. Kind of like a high stakes love triangle where Enchantress does have feelings for Thor but is ultimately just using him for her evil ends, while Jane is actively dying from cancer but still doing her best to help Thor pick up the pieces of whats left of Thor's emotional status post Endgame where he didn't really have a 100% full development from his lazy self. You can still have the emotionally confused Thor like the Execs want and pin him between two strong female characters. And in the end where Enchantress is foiled by a rekindled love between Thor and Jane, it still elevates Thor's character on his virtue of loyalty to others and himself, which I think is one of the core pillars of being "worthy" as we currently understand it in the MCU.
Taika Waititi: yeah or I could have goats scream at you and have Jane quip nonsense. Ooh I should make Thor act like he’s dating his axe but still has feelings for his hammer. That sounds more fun to me 🤡
Yeah she should have been there was from the beginning
absolutely
Well said
I agree 👍
The Wakanda entrance could've been done even better. It was a clear, sunny day. Clouds should've formed, then a few drops of rain. A distant rumble... THEN BOOM!!! Lightning strikes.
It really is dissapointing how they handled Loki. If he was comic Loki, then realistically him handing over the Tesseract would have been an illusion. And what do you know, if he tricked Thanos into thinking he had the space stone when he didn't, then that knife stab actually would have landed and probably hurt him quite a lot, if not killed him.
When you criticize the interaction between Thor and Quill for being about two identical characters trying to outwit each other, that's actually what the 90s FF cartoon avoided. In a very similar scenario (which might as well inspired the one from IW, much like GOTG2 felt like a recycle of the plot from that same FF episode) Thor and Ben Grim have comedic interactions, but it all comes down to those two being polar opposites of each other. Thor is very serious and sincere while Ben is acting like a quippy football jock.
That's how you should do comedy with characters like Thor. You pit them against someone who is the polar opposite of them, and that way you have contrasting personalities. If you turn Thor into every other funny hero with the exact same speech and personality traits, it's not funny or exciting.
It's why Gimli works as a funny character - he has super serious Legolas to interact with. If Legolas was a goofball like Gimli, it would stop being comedic and become embarrassing pretty fast. That is what the MCU can't understand: contrasting personalities is a good setup for comedy, not identical personalities.
Same with Hawkeye & Hulk in EMH, I enjoy SO MUCH watchung those 2 sharing screen because they got so much chemistry despite acting & having a behavior That is NOTHING ALIKE
Wakanda Thor was Thor at his peak but they’ve failed to treat him with such respect since!
FUNNY HOW THE WAKANDA SCENE WAS THOR AT HIS PEAK & HULK AT HIS WORST
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Yeah and then they both got disrespected in Endgame!
One funny aspect about these new replacement heroes is that most of them don't even want to be heroes in the first place and think it's a joke aside from Kamala and maybe Falcon. You'd think that would be part of a character arc, but these characters are also never meant to change, so you're just watching a character who can't be bothered get dragged around by the plot. Really entertaining stuff
On the point about "Fat Thor is faithful to the mythology" ... the people saying that are the same ones who screamed that you were racist if you pointed out that Heimdall is literally called "the white god" and is famed for having "Snow White" skin in the mythology and that the Valkyries were also stereotypically Nordic (because it's NORSE mythology)... so it's weird that they race-swapped characters that have a basis in real world historical myths of a specific culture. They say that mythology has no bearing on it and that it's good to break from faithful adaptation when it comes to literal cultural appropriation (which they would condemn if a modern fictional character or historically-based fictional character that's not white were played by a white actor)... but when they appropriate a fit white character to make them fat, they'll desperately try to find the one historical reference where one poem called Thor an adjective that could be misconstrued as meaning "massive because he's fat" instead of "massive because he's strong" to try to falsely justify the change and then scream that it's faithful to the mythos.
I agree, I really didn't like the way Thor was depicted in God of War Ragnarok for instance. It would have been fine if he was evil (thats kindof GoW's thing), but why make him a fat loser?
@@pelinalwhitestrake9306gow Thor was cold though if MCU did him any justice like how did oh the wasted potential
It seems the people on either side of that argument are wrong. While Thor was never made out to be fat, Heimdall's title is not about pigmentation. Using colours to describe people in today's world is different from how it was. Heimdall is being noted for his honour, probity, and beauty. It is a shine from his presence rather than a superfluous reference. The light elves and their black/dwarf counterparts are similarly described.
@pelinalwhitestrake9306 There was a pattern of subversion in God of War. What I found most interesting is how Asgard was almost exclusively Thor's immediate family.
It also pulled from the Marvel stuff more than people are acknowledging. The realms appeared to be different planets, and Thor flies around with his trusty hammer. It certainly was not the legend.
@@SmilingSeraph No... go look up Norse mythology: Heimdall was literally blindingly WHITE in color... not "caucasian," but solid white, and it was a big deal. That's why Feige, Alonso, and what's his name chose him specifically as the Asgardian to do a race swap on, rather than a character with historically or culturally ambiguous color, going for a definitive statement of purpose that can't be misinterpreted like swapping some random side character who isn't fleshed out in mythology.
i pray for the MCUS's end, not out of malice. simply form a place were i used to really love these films, and i really love the source material. but weve fallen so far theres no point going on
I think your most understated criticism here is how Starlord and Thor have basically become the same character. For as big (or let’s be honest, bloated) as the cast of the MCU is so many of them are interchangeable “quippy, but good nature assholes.” It reminds me of Jenny Nicholson’s criticism of the MCU a few years ago. “What’s it going to be like when Iron Man teams up with Ant Man and Star Lord? Will just be everyone sitting in a circle coming up with the most contrived pop culture reference insult for the villain of the week?” (Paraphrased.) I don’t think she was far off. The only two who were really different were Black Widow and Black Panther.
Thor has gone through a similar "discovering himself" arc in at least FIVE films: Thor 1, 3, 4, IW, and Endgame. Dude should friggin' know who he is by now at his core. He's a top-tier warrior with a big heart, who's earned his worthiness after countless tragedies, who's loyalty is unquestioned and who should be a king protecting the various realms.
Fun Fact: The reason why Loki looks young in the mcu is because Loki in the mcu takes a lot of inspiration from the ultimate marvel comics(Earth 1610).
Also are you planning on doing The Non MCU Marvel Villains Problem?
What I loved about MCU is inspiration from Ultimate comics
In Norse mythology Thor’s physique is never described, except for him having red hair and a red beard and a huge appetite, Thor most likely looked like bigger and stronger version of normal men that lived in Scandinavia, and Thor from marvel isn’t the same as Thor from the myths, they are only similar in some places. Sif for example looks nothing like her Norse myths self, in the myths she’s described as having long golden hair and she wasn’t really a warrior, while in marvel she’s got jet black hair and is a warrior.
There is also something else I would like to add and that is that I find it quite disappointing that we never saw jormungandr or even got a hint to him in these films.
For the ones that don’t know, jormungandr/the world serpent is Thor arch nemesis in Norse myths, and they are destined to kill each other come ragnarok.
Ragnarok in the films is also so disappointing, ragnarok is supposed to be final battle of the gods, it’s supposed to be huge and epic as all hell, in the film it’s just surtur, where are armies of hel? where are all of the other gods? Why even call the film ragnarok, when there is pretty much no ragnarok in it?
And another thing about sif is that in the myths she’s Thor’s wife
And also mjolnir’s handle was unintentionally made short, I’m going to simplify the story now , the dwarves are tasked with making gifts too the gods and when making mjolnir, Loki interferes and messes up the dwarves work so the handle ends up being pretty short
Thro is god of war ragnarok is a bit more like mythical Thor, like for example he’s got red hair and a red beard and mjolnir looks more like it’s mythical self,(mjolnir in the game by the way looks so fucking cool and marvel should make mjolnir look like that, it just looks so much more powerful and badass) but there are still difference like for example Thor in the game is drunk and Odin treats him like shit, while in the myths Thor does have a huge appetite (he once drank like 1/5 of the ocean) but he isn’t really a depressed alcoholic, but Thor in gowr is so much better than mcu Thor, because he’s not the butt of everyone’s joke, his depression and sadness is taken seriously, he’s still a badass, he’s played by Ryan hurst, who by the way is absolutely fantastic as Thor, that voice is just so good, his wife and daughter don’t make fun of him for being an alcoholic, they love him and want to help him, in the little screen time he has he has more screen presence than Thor in the mcu ever had, all in all Thor in gowr is so much better than mcu Thor
I hope we get a game with him with Ryan hurst playing him, I would just about anything to get that
I hear people generally like these movies for the laughs often... I just wish everyone knew what was traded away to give them some cheap laughs.
Also, Superman aside, lots of Shonen characters have that same character archetype you describe. Goku, Naruto, etc, these characters have strong moral foundations and world views that don't change and the thrill comes from watching villians put them in situations that put tremendous strain on their convictions and tempt the characters to break them. And those characters are loved by many. It's really very doable and already generally successful.
¿Goku? ¿Moral fundation? ¿The guy who almost destroys ALL THE UNIVERSES because he wanted to make a Multiverse Torunament? SURE BUDDY
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Goku just wanted to have a tournament, the stakes were introduced cause the Zeno just wanted to destroy some universes. Nothing to do with Goku
@@ArcTrooperRod-269
Okay okay okay, Goku BEFORE Toriyama brought him back after giving him a lobotomy to dumb him tf down. Pre Super Goku actually understood the stakes, and used his good nature to help his much weaker friends deal with the stress of fighting sometimes planet busting level enemies. He was charmingly simple, not more smooth brained than a freshly polished coffee table.
Super Goku is a buffoon. I have no excuse for him
naruto used to have a strong moral foundation. until he became a jesus-level god who was born a god. i cant relate to shippuden naruto
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.AccessFair Enough, DBS is to Dragon Ball what RID 2015 is to transformers, so I give you that 🤝🏾
The idea that thor in mythology was fat is more or less entirely based on speculation and is basically just a post-hoc for god of war ragnarok
Exactly, nowhere in the texts it's said that he was fat. It's just bullshit people came up with to justify his portrayal in GOW Ragnarok which was also inaccurate and disrespectful.
@@TheN1ghtwalker how was it disrespectful? They don’t make him the butt off everyone’s joke, Thor is never physically described in Norse mythology (expect for having a red beard and red hair, something he does have in the game, and he also had a huge appetite) of course he isn’t fully accurate too mythological Thor, but the main problem with Norse myths is that all we know about it comes after the christianization of Scandinavia, so we don’t know exactly what is accurate and what is there because of Christian influences, but Thor in god of war ragnarok is fucking awesome and Ryan hurst does an absolutely fantastic job
@@Game-time-started Thor in this game is an incompetent drunkard who can't stop getting L's, being lectured by his own daughter who is of course better than him in every way and in the end instakilled by Odin who looks like a frail old man in this game. What happened to Thor being the strongest of the gods and dying in an epic battle with Jörmungandr?
@@TheN1ghtwalker when is Thor incomplete? He succeeds at pretty much everything he’s tasked with, his daughter is better than him? When, is she a better person than him? Yeah, is she stronger? No.
This is odin’s descripton in Norse myths: Odin was the great magician among the gods and was associated with runes. He was also the god of poets. In outward appearance he was a tall, old man, with flowing beard and only one eye (the other he gave in exchange for wisdom). He was usually depicted wearing a cloak and a wide-brimmed hat and carrying a spear. Odin in Norse myths is an old man, he’s not Zeus, he’s not huge and muscular, Odin is also cunning and manipulative in many Norse stories, here are descriptions of is manipulation: Odin is not described as a moral exemplar and is often seen winning battles and out-maneuvering opponents using guile, trickery and outright deception. Odin killing Thor instantly, whats wrong about that, Thor wasn’t going to do what Odin wanted anymore, so Odin decided to depose of him with a quick strike before Thor could react, Thor being the strongest of the gods? Didn’t you play the game, he is the strongest but being the strongest of all Norse gods doesn’t mean that you are undefeateable, his fight with jormungandr? They take their liberties with their fight, with Thor surviving but beating jormungandr, but their fight was in the background and would have been epic if we actually got to either fight him on top of jormungandr or to actually get to play as him fighting jormungandr and I will admit that it was pretty disappointing, and the last fight with Thor is quite disappointing in terms of scale compared to his and kratos first fight
‘Incompetent’
Mythical Thor isn't even supposed to be fat. That's just a lie and a cope people made to defend God of War which in itself never tried to be accurate in the first place.
I’ll take Thor in GOW any day of the week than garbage MCU Thor
@@Rieky22 Yeah, it still just annoys me how ever since Thor was shown off for the game, people kept lying about how Thor is actually supposed to be fat in mythology. It's such a pointless hill to die on and thing to lie about given how most God of War designs are completely original and not founded in mythology anyway. It just really pisses me off when people spread misconceptions about anything.
@@youcantbeatk7006 yeah that’s true
@@youcantbeatk7006 Yet they defended Angrboda's design as "god of war is not realistic" despite using the realism angle for the fat thor.
@@hue1676 Angrboda is undefendable because it's politically motivated and makes absolutely zero sense within God of War's original continuity.
WE CAN ALL AGREE THE BEST THOR PROJECT IN THE MCU IS THE SHORT-FILM:
_A Funny Thing Happened on the way to Thor's Hammer_
Is there any way you would've Iron Man differently?
Kinda off topic, but I like how you say searching for happiness as a goal is not only unobtainable, but selfish. I needed to hear that today.
Mjölner is supposed to be small - as it's the result of Loki's trickestry during it's making.
But I think American media cronically missunderstand the Norse gods and their characters. Especially Thor, and that's a mostly a reflection of the writers themselves. Thor are the most human of the gods - more a jolly giant and a bit of a hillbilly in that he's no where near the wisest but can have his moments, that are also a ticking time bomb if you try to anger him. Not some drunken brawler or lost prince as in Assasin Creed and Marvel respectively.
Not necessarily small, it's more the handle was supposed to be longer.
@@jonathanathor117 Correct, if we're being specific.
*12:01** Personally That was one of the reasons I enjoyed a lot Arrow season 8, it was Really heartwarming seeing a Comicbook media that put so much focus on closing Cycles, finishing chapters & Accepting Grief & Permanent death as a natural conclusion*
& they focused so much on Oliver saying goodbye to all his love ones 💚🏹🎯
& Even when his death & assention to Spectre was unnecesary conveluted & confusing, I'm Happy that now with arrowverse finally put to rest , Oliver's Death Remained Permanent
Everything you said about it being Kevin’s Tom is exactly what I been saying. These actors just are themselves dressed as that character.
Kinda miss the standalone cbm we used to get, the interconnected universes and multiverse stuff is just tiring to see and hear nowadays. That’s why I love The Batman (or vengeance as he likes to be called) because of how solid of a movie it was without being apart of the old dceu
From the mythological standpoint, not being able to swing Mjolnir with two hands is kind of the point because loki sabotaged it’s creation
I quite liked the depressed Thor arc from Endgame. It makes sense given what he'd been through.
The still worthy scene was a reminder that suffering through depression doesn't make you unworthy or a failure. That you can still pick yourself back up and make something of yourself.
The problem is that they never properly recovered from that arc. They never had Thor go back to being Epic Thor and he remained incompetent idiot Thor for all of Love and Thunder. That's what makes Endgame Thor look worse in retrospect.
I agree! Thor being depressed makes perfect sense it’s how it’s handled now that is a problem
While you could say Thor spent so much time on Earth which made him a goofball, even I think he would be a Serious character who would only do something fun twice in some movie
EXACTLY!
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 I would just make some of scenes that try to be funny just some badass moments
5:19 actually Mjolnir was stated to be the most powerful weapon in the universe in the comics, it made perfect sense since both weapons were built by dwarves, and seeing that one was just built to counter the other it makes sense for the most part.
If that's the case then Hela shouldn't have been able to effortlessly crush the hammer.
If we're going to suggest changes for avengers: age of ultron, we'd have to start by addressing the first avengers film and its aggravating lack of ant-man and wasp (the latter literally naming the team).
Well you forgot to mention the deleted scene where Zeus was nice to Thor that he taught him how to use the Thunderbolt and yeah Amora should have been there from the beginning of the MCU also that asgardians kids should be much tougher than an average person
Yeah! Waititi had too much creative freedom.
He sucks. The two hammers being jelous of each other was a new low in writing. I hated how Jane becomes worthy.
@@anubusx yeah but at least she is gone
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Female Thor was an awful storyline.
She'll probably come back 😂@@srstriker6420
I don't have many problems with Infinity War but after Endgame I was like dude another last minute lazy writing time travel.
I think the reason they gave that Stormbreaker can withstand the Gauntlet is because the metal used to make it absorbs energy. It wasn’t set up at all and it would’ve been much cooler if it was but that’s the reason they gave
Instead of making Thor a sad fat bum in Endgame instead make Him angry after killing Thanos and have Him become a vigilante who is searching for a purpose after failing to stop The Snap until Bruce calls and tells Him about the time travel plan but instead of having Bruce snap Thor voluntares out of remorse and in the final battle Thor can't oneshot Thanos since His arm was burned by The Gauntlet
After Tony's sacrifice Thor becomes stoic and goes to different planets trying to end all conflicts in the universe
He should had an arc similar to Ronin, showing him as irrational & constantly trying to Kill himself for failing, but Don't doing it because of his desire of constantly help damned people(SPECIALLY THE ASGARDIANS)
*I mean, you can even show he's no longer worthy, since the stormbreaker does NOT have the enchantress, that would be a Way Better twist than cap lifting it*
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Well said
3:46 arguable the best thor's hammer by design alone. Also it was made by humanity because shield is just that good and have enough money and resources to buy out every single mega corporation. And this hammer have a teleporter. In the Horus Heresy the primarch of the salamanders, Vulkan had a warhammer with a teleporter inside it. It's just that it might be similar to warp travel. The warhammer 40k kind.
Man the ultimate marvel universe had some genuinely interesting ideas with it but they fumbled the bag so hard. At least spiderman was goated.
Your vids are great man. I like that you point out that the mcu already had some major issues before its peak in infinity war.
Morbius is the perfect movie when?
Morbius is one of the movies ever made
Fantastic content as always! I like your takes. Keep it up dude
Hey Braeden I just want to say I love your videos but could you keep making videos like this? Admittedly im only 16 so I grew up with the mcu and not the comics and growing up I thought it was pretty good. Watching your videos comparing and contrasting the two really brings to light just how much better it could’ve been and you introduce me to new and better marvel stories through the comics with your videos . Please keep making content like this.
He said He will but he will take time between, Which is fair considering they're really hard to make
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 oh yea I figured that and as high quality as his content is he deserves whatever time he needs to make them nobody can really argue with that
3:00 The entire premise of warhammer.
These videos are so good please keep doing them omg brilliant
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Yep, that was along the lines of my reaction as well.
It was a proper "oh shit" moment, when you realized there is a god on the battlefield. And not just a god-in-training, as Thor was portrayed in the MCU up till the end of Ragnarok, but a god now in full control of his powers, wielding a weapon that puts Mjolnir to shame capable of directing the Bifrost itself and out for mother fucking revenge.
This was the god-level hero on the avengers team, the trump card to even the playing field against the threat in Endgame. This could have been anime level fight scene, levelling mountains and abandoned cities as we see the full power of a god meet a mostly assembled infinity gauntlet. Shit, throw in a proper Hulk while you're at it and that is what should have stood between Thanos and the rest of the Avengers, as they fight the Black Order for the macguffin.
Maybe Thor showing up should have prevent Thanos getting the mind stone in the first place.
Having the assembled gauntlet at the end of infinity war was a mistake any ways (if you need time travel in an otherwise non-time-travel story, you've done fucked up). Thor showing up should have simply turned the tide and caused a reset, where both sides get some time to recuperate. Heck, if the MCU hadn't butchered all it's villains, this could have been the opportunity for Thanos to level the playing field *for himself*, by getting some other big-bads on his team.
Could you imagine Thanos with a non-gimped Loki on his side, maybe get an Ultron who was hiding away, secretly rebuilding in there as well to tie up Iron Man and Crew?
Instead we got a villain with a supposed infinite power level snap half the population out of existence, which should have been childsplay compared to Thanos' new plan to rebuild the universe from the very foundations, leaving him crippled, the stones destroyed and a universe that can only be fixed with time travel.
As for Love and Thunder, I feel like they kind of wanted to redo the "becoming a true god" arc, and that's what him giving the kids power at the end was supposed to symbolize. He has moved past being a super hero (even by asguardian standards) and has become a full on god. But we already saw that at the end of Ragnarok as well as at the end of Infinity war.
They just clearly don't know what to do with Thor, so they redo they need to redo the same character development in every one of his movies. Thor, Ragnarok, Infinity War, Love and Thunder...
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I am pretty sure that Taika was Watching Ultraman Trigger While he was making this movie
U have to be a warrior willing to kill when nessasry but willing to show mercy when needed
They built every character acting like they cared give them all emotional stories then to just destroy them all completely one by one
I really liked Loki, especially the second season and the last episode - which seems to have been a throwback to the old mythology. It actually had more sorcery in it than any of the Thor movies, but the funny thing was, my whole family kept saying it was a Dr. Who movie. Which we quite enjoyed, because Disney seemed to have killed off Dr Who. So we enjoyed our Loki-Dr Who-Tom Hiddleston replacement while it lasted. It even had a bunch of great companions such as Mobius and Short Round. Because there certainly was no Dr Who in the Disney Dr Who series, that's for sure.
Thor was my favorite Marvel comic character. The MCU completely bastardized him, but the problems began in the first Thor movie. None of the MCU movies respect the Source.
You know what I just realized: since Thor 5 will not include Taika Waititi and they do want to go into a „more serious“ tone, they would still need to include that girl somehow in there.
So we got a norse setting, an at least attempt at more serious and a younger lead. There‘s a chance they‘ll just make a God of War Rip-off.
Do you really think that Thor 5 is going to be serious? Seriously, it’s going to be marvels version of ‘serious’ which pretty much means that there’s going to be jokes every fife minutes instead of every minute
Things that pissed me off was all of thors friends getting killed in like blink and you miss it scenes
Why do I feel like my views of the MCU keep crumbling more and more? Even the good stuff from phases past can have horrible flaws...
Honestly its kind of like cultural dissonance, plus hindsight is 20/20. The majority of the MCU including the early stuff is not that great and the reason most people dont know better or understand really is due to a lack of reading the source material and truly understanding the characters. So when movies bastardize characters or make crazy changes to the story how are the viewers going to know better?
I mean how many people are aware that MCU Nick Fury is nothing like comic Nick Fury? I bet if you told people that he's a white guy and talks and looks like this..., then they be like 'what i didnt know that'. Plus everyone want to make 'their' version of a character and story and instead of staying true to the core elements of both they just do what they want and we get real misrepresentation. People talk about MCU Spiderman like he's the BEST and TRUEST one but that's not accurate at all. Not saying people cant like things but MCU has created so many warped opinions and ideas of Marvel's characters and stories.
@@HaloWingProductionsIn regards to Nick Fury, at least his look is based on his Ultimate Marvel counterpart, which, in turn, was based on Samuel L. Jackson.
@@EclipsingTNT fair enough but still its not the iconic, og version of Nick Fury and since most people only accept what adaptations put directly in front of them they believe that version is the og. Also I just get tired of seeing iconic actors just being themselves dressed up as a character rather than 'being' the character. You know what I mean?
@@HaloWingProductions I mean, the og version of Nick Fury wasn't really 'iconic'. Most people didn't really pay attention to Nick until the Ultimate rendition.
@@Ergeniz I cant personally say whether that's true or not (Im still trying to learn more about the comic versions) I only mentioned Fury because it was the first obvious one to pop into my head when I commented. I only meant that people are usually so familiar with the MCU versions of characters that if you correct them about inaccuracies they look at you like you're crazy until you tell them how the movie versions aren't even the same person, just like in these Thor videos where Thor and Loki aren't even the same person as their comic version.
Love the vids keep them coming
Please do "What if Spider-Man 2 was directed by The Russo Brothers"
Or What If Superman & Lois was directed by Shane Black?
Or What if ARROW was an MCU Disney+ show?
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Good ideas
Supposedly having the guantlet with all the gems debilitates thanos, thats why thanos without the gems is stronger, as he doesn't have to endure wielding the gems
honestly i agree with most of what you say here i wish thor could be like how he was in infinity war still THAT WAS thor that was the god of thunder and yeah where is Enchantress i wanna her in the mcu so badly after hearing you talk about her its prob gonna be through the multi verse tho
A very good breakdown as to why MCU Thor has been bad. I do like MCU Thor but I recognize he is a farcry from his comic book counterpart and it is a shame. I do think there could be a healthy balance of keeping the Shakespearan, fantasy element of Thor while having him interact in the MCU world. For me, where the Thor films failed was that they didn't take advantage of the Nine Realms. Thor, if I was to pitch it; is Lord of the Rings/ epic fantasy. We have Thor and the warrior's three, alongside Sif, who go on adventures, fight giants, elves etc. all the while Thor has to balance his duties to Asgard and Earth. Heck, if you really wanted to have Thor team up with someone, outside Hulk, maybe get Dr. Strange? Both are magic based, and it would be neat to see a magical warrior and the master of the mystic arts have to work together to defeat an enemy that they cannot beat alone.
Endgame made Thor into a pathetic loser, and a complete joke. They had him hide from and eventually completely abandon his own people. Cutting his ties to both Earth and Asgard. Leaving him with nothing. Broke the character beyond repair. Thor 4 just continued what Endgame set up.
Leaving the throne to a beer guzzling, slave driving deserter was the nail in the coffin.
@@dannypalin9583 And there's also that. This after just learning about the importance of Asgard as a people and not just a place.
The MCU from the very beginning has been terrified of letting their male heroes be straight up badasses and often undercut epic scenes with dumb humor. Now it seems like that mindset is in full swing 'cause they basically killed off Thor and Hulk who are probaby their strongest most badass characters and are endlessly neutering Dr Strange who should be on their level
Deleted scene with Zeus teaching Thor would have made LaT more watchable like that deleted scene with Gorr.
Loki
Multiverse tree>>>> knife
Love your videos
You’re right on every point. My only difference with you is that I’ve utterly disliked Marvel since the mid-1980’s when they finally and completely tanked creatively (as through the latter half of the 70’s fans saw them obviously go downhill…although there were still enough exceptions to make Marvel merit some enthusiasm at the time). The early to mid-80’s also saw a few bright spots, but by the middle of the decade and certainly by the end Marvel was a joke to any older reader, to those who had known a better Marvel brand, and more importantly to comics readers who had a keener insight and appreciation of what comics could/should be (Raw, Concrete, Sandman, Nexus, Miracleman, Grendl to name only a few). 20 years of modern Marvel and fifty of DC’s mainstream superheroes was much more than enough, and Marvel in particular had become the very definition of crap by the early 90’s (a shocking turnaround considering how cool they had been when I was a kid and young teen).
Marvel forgot that the Aesir are all war gods
9:50 Thank you for saying this.
I HATE how much they ruined Thor in every facet to make Captain America more worthy. But hey, since Cap is a straight white guy, not a “strong female character” so it’s fine to do it, right?
I can’t remember who said it, but another TH-camr pointed out this whole hypocrisy of “it’s okay to make the hero look weak if they’re propping up another male hero” thing. It’s almost as if the problem is bad writing and not “wokeness.”
Do you plan on making a video on the loki series
*7:28** THAT'S WHY, KIDS:*
_Armored Adventures Makluan Invasion >> Avengers Endgame_
I liked that and the show as a whole don't get me wrong (best intro ever) But better than Endgame? Nah
I agree.
Agree. Well said.
Looks like I made the right decision to stop watching these messes. It's sad. I grew up with these characters.
so basically we cant take you seriously. you will always have an inherant bias towards the versions you "grew up with". otherwise why else would you bring that up? you're screaming to the world you cant be objective and evaluate based on merits
I think Braeden doesn't like Endgame just a lil bit.
19:50 they also made Thor do nothing while the door to Eternity is open. Jane has the Necrosword, and Gorr is on the floor. After everything they did, that's the reason they lose. It makes you see the character as incredibly stupid and infuriating.
Hey, do you have plans to cover Spider-Man in the MCU?
Loki show is kinda the best MCU Loki, who actually does something
What does he do expect for being a punching bag and being an absolute loser, I would suggest you watch efap’s review of Loki, they could explain it better than me why Loki show is absolute dogshit
@@Game-time-startedHe's not a punching bag, now they turned him into one of the most powerful beings, it was sort of poetic how they did it, still the show has some flaws.
4:48 Ah, the guy who played the dad from The King Of Queens.
I’ll admit, even if the execution was off, I do kinda dig the arc they were trying to have with Thor in Endgame. “Even in the depths of your own misery, depression, and self-hatred you are still worthy” is such an inspiring and hopeful message in a franchise that seems terrified of expressing genuine emotions. A damn shame James Gunn is the only good writer in the entirety of the MCU. Had he helmed Infinity War and Endgame, I guarantee we’d get one of the best character arcs in the MCU. The Russos are not James Gunn.
The real problem is that everyone treats him like a joke.
"Kevins Tom".. 💀💀
True Loki shows up in season two (spoiler sorta)
Is there any way you would've done Iron Man differently?
I'd still recommend you to watch Loki, since as far as I've heard, people find it quite enjoyable. I've been saying it myself that Loki stopped being Loki since infinity war and Ragnarok, but it is what it is.
If you're watching something like the she Hulk or the marvels, which are universally hated, might as well give a chance to something with supporters, even though the main character is a different personality with the same face and a facade of his former self
preach
Odin is definitely rolling in his grave.
Dignity? For a male character in the MCU? No man, we can't have that sorry
you can and do have that. and you know it. its all over the MCU. why did you try and lie and say there isnt?
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 don't make me list all the moments where men get belittled in the MCU. Stop being ignorant. It's every male character.
Should I give you some examples and then you be quiet?
Hawkeye in his show having his female fan taking over because he's pathetic now.
Hulk being weaker as his female cousin She-Hulk because she better in every way. Poor thing got catcalled. He's pathetic now.
Nick Fury becoming an pathetic old man who needs to be saved by a woman who as Every! Power. He cried a lot. No dignity left.
Loki needing female Loki to save the day and be belittled all the time.
Ant-Man has his daughter. The list goes on. There is no dignity
@@saschaberger3212 professor hulk was weaker than "real" hulk in the comics. also irrelevant since banner clearly didnt fight her seriously.
nick fury HAS NO POWERS. what, did you think he can solo every villain by himself?
sylvie was pretty much irrelevant to season 2. that was the complete loki show. and she is portrayed as wrong and stupid for insisting on murdering he who remains out of misplaced revenge.
hawkeye's an old-ass man who just got done being a murderous vigilante for 5 years cutting his way through the criminal underworld.
Lore of Modern Thor Is Apathy Incarnate. Momentum 100
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While watching Endgame in the movies for the first time I thought Thor would have a short scene showing him running from New Asgard to Avengers Compound and he'd be fit again after that since his godly methabolism. Latter in the movie I thought he'd be magicaly turned back indo his fit form due to the Stormbreaker/Mjolnir transformation...I was dissapointed in after all that...
And they want to make a Thor 5... With what major villains? They have wasted the best of Thor's rogues gallery. Loki was used enough but very poorly. Malekith was wasted, Hela was decent, but wasted in a comedy movie. Executioner was wasted. Surtur was painfully underutilized. Gorr was wasted and in a horrible movie.
The Serpent would work well as a main villain, but they already used the long lost relative story and turn Hela into Thor's sister. As for Enchantress, it would make no sense for her to appear at this point.
I would say MCU needs to reboot, but what would be the point? Disney is still behind it and with the same agenda and poor creative quality. A reboot is futile. MCU is truly dead.
There is Mangog.
@@Ghostface833 There's Ulik too. I just don't see them in the main antagonist role in a movie.
@@Lwiis64 They’d probably just make em big gray blobs anyway.
I agreed with everything you said. The plotholes you pointed out are glaring once you pointed them out
What are your videos? The best Thor is the one from Infinity War
*4:55** HE SAID SO*
Honestly watching Baki and to some extent fist of the north star helped me understand what it means to be worthy for wielding mjolnir.
Need the videos more ofteeeeen
Lets be glad that MCU didn't touch Enchantress. Considering they did "Sylvie", Gor, Warriors 3 and Sif they would have fumbled Enchantress so hard.
Hey look you have criticised these movies for being bad adaptations of the comics particilarly in the aesthetics department, I don't think it's bad to acknowledge the original source to even those interpretations.
Also they displayed the axe cancelling out the infinity gauntlet power. Not that he's overpowering Thanos. Thanos not overusing the gauntlet pretty much doesn't leave any room for Thor.
nice