"West" is not about geography here. It's a set of political values. Seemingly you are (or rather should be) part of the west as nato members and EU candidates, but unfortunately Erdogan is an Islamist dictator, a kind that may as well be in Iran or any other central Asian dictatorships. There's a similar problem with Hungary. And you can see these are the two governments that acting as moles within the west, vetoing the nato expansion or the gas embargo.
@@wabalaladabdab first i want to say i didnt vote for erdogan or approve most of his actions in Turkey. But if it wasnt Erdoğan the Turkish stance between eu would be the same, Turkey will never be allowed to enter eu because the mindset of the western politicians are Turkofobic. We saw this clearly when Turkish f 16 shot down a russian plane few years ago nato wouldnt supply Turkey anti aircraft patriots...
@@kaanerdem2822 Of course I didn't blame you or most Turkish people personally for Erdogan. International trust is very hard and takes long to build, and very easy to erode. I'm unfortunately Hungarian, (I hate Orban) and I can tell, Hungary would have never been admitted to the EU if it applied just a bit later, and it would be kicked out if there was a legal possibility for that. (This is one of the reason why the EU is more cautious now). Honestly, from the vast majority of the European population, I cannot see any racist attitude against Turkish people or Turkey in general (the christian is always racist everywhere, but fuck 'em). But the EU has way too many problems now with an anti-secular dictatorship (Hungary, which is also Putin's ally), and an anti-secular semi-dictatorship (Poland), so anyone who would like to join has to be really convincing that there is no popular support for anything like this, and that the country is super secular, very liberal, democratic, and a reliable ally to the West (eg. doesn't side with Putin in key NATO issues). I really wish Turkey will be such an EU member one day, when the Islamist, authorian, neo-ottoman regime of Erdogan will be merely a bad memory.
Personally I think of Aegean and thracian Turks as similar to Greeks and balkans, mesopotamian and Eastern Anatolian Turks as similar to Syrians, Iraqis, iranians. It's a diverse country. Anyways i heard the new generation of Turks is against islamism and turning away from religion in general, which is a positive thing in my view
I'm a British guy who lived in Turkey for three years. There are areas of the country that feel distinctly European, I lived in Antalya and the surrounding area could easily be mistaken for Spain or Portugal. Alternatively, the East and centre of the country feels unquestionably Middle Eastern. I lived in Sakarya also, which is just a 2h drive inland from Istanbul, but seemed completely Middle-Eastern to me.
It's easy to say that as a Brit. For you, Turkey means holidays, palm trees, and kebabs. For a Romanian, Greek, Bulgarian, Serb, Armenia, or Kurd Turkey is a genocidal state, a sad accident of history.
@@rossellinirossicalrossc3507 yes, the Malvinas belong to Argentina, Belfast is an Irish city, Scotland should be free and London should be independent from England
1:25 just to correct your map there, "Hatay" province was not included in Turkey’s borders when the Turkish Republic was founded in 1923 but rather under the French mandate, only until when the local population held a referendum and voted in favor to join back to Turkey in 1939
@@farzana6676just no! we dont behave like wild apes when we see a woman without a burka, or we dont blow ourself up. The religion is the same but the culture is much different.
Well politically after the Peace Treaty of Paris (1856) Turkey (Ottoman Empire) was recognized as a European country by all other European nations. So since west is a political term we can say Turkey is western. The question of its culture or insides are something else tho
At 8:54 the subtitles mismatch with what was told. It's not that Turkey supports the "unrecognized government" in Libya, but the "U.N. recognized". Huge difference xd
Let Turkey be Turkey. Turkey is a unique country which shares borders with Europe, Middle East and Caucusus. As a Balkan Turk I believe that we can establish great relations with both western and eastern countries (especially west) and convert our country into a fully democratic nation. Geographically, Turkey can be named as a county in Eurasia.
@@rogerdodger8813 simply wrong. orhan bey started a policy known as iskan. rumelia (the balkans) was to go through islamization and turkification to better be integrated into the empire. in accordance with the iskan policy, infrastructure projects, hospital, mosques and the like were built in islamic fashion and architecture, in an attempt to safeguard these regions as core parts of the empire and further conquests. a part of this policy did include converting already balkan populations to islam (which is why there are a lot of muslims currently in the balkans, especially in bosnia and albania), but there were also many anatolian turks that were forcibly relocated into the balkans. these turks were banned from going back to anatolia and were forced to live in the balkans. centuries later, they were driven out by the newly independent balkan nations back to anatolia, with many of them being killed or dying in the harsh winters while trying to get back to anatolia. people who are referred to as "balkan turks" are either the small minority that managed to stay in the balkans or turks living in modern day anatolia but have ancestry from the turks who used to live in the balkans
Turkey used to be a decently healthy democracy but since years it's on a facistoid path towards authoritarianism, theocratic elements, nationalism and imperialism. How can you change that?
@@IsomerSoma Our GDP was high, buying power was even higher. The person who is our “president” right now did not even finished the university and he is controlling the economy of a G20 country. He acquired billions of dollars by nepotism and controlled the stock market to make more money. They also stashed most of our countries GDP to real estate sector. Most of the Turkish intellectuals were forced to leave Turkey because of the acquisitions. The legislation is now on their side as well. They threw journalists and people who exploited the corrupt government officials. Some of them disappeared and suppressed. I can write 1000 novels with the things they done in 21 years.
Looking from the West, it is Eastern, looking from the East, it is Western. Actually neither Eastern nor Western completely, but it is a blend of both, which brings its beauty.
@@kevingutierrez9273 Eurasian would be the best term for it since "The Middle East" includes widely different cultures. Majority of us do not refuse the Islamic identity but that doesn't make us the same as Yemen or did not enough to put us in the same category with them. We are Eurasians and most importantly, we are Turks, and maybe referencing a really specific culture like ours could only be solved by mentioning its ethnicity (just like Russia).
Yes, I agree with this. If Georgia, Armenia and Cyprus are European, then by sheer logic so is Turkey (and Azerbaijan). Only some top notch mental gymnastics have to be played to consider Georgia or Armenia to be European but not Turkey or Azerbaijan.
@@PskovCybercat Russia is in Asia and Europe, yes, but I have never seen an ethnic Russian regard themselves as Eastern. But when it comes to Turks, answers always differ. Some say they are just Western. Some say they are just Eastern. Some say they are both. Not talking about geography, but culture, identity, etc. It is a situation seen in no other country.
@@selimsahkulu78 not really, western parts of turkey more leaning balkans as culture/lifestyle etc while rest is more leaning to middle east except east black east sea region that is mostly similar caucacus
@@IntoEurope I will say this Colonialism has not ended..... it evolved. let me explain. before colonialism " ends " the west chose the leaders of countries to keep their interest in regions take france for example. ( good job TH-cam censoring the site where france still steals from Africa ). and take me for example. i am from the middle east and here our " dictators" have been chosen by the west not by us and here they uneducate people Historically , economically and religiously because that's what sustain their rule and my country is rich ,but money is nothing for me and for us muslims in general and here we eat we drink and we sleep ( not me i always study and seek knowledge in all fronts as best as i can and am a civil engineer ) even the cattle eat drinks and sleeps. here courrption is too obvious and we muslims are in phase one and that's " Realization " to be fully aware from politics to history to religion. and every time a Muslim nation rises the west is unsatisfied and want to overthrow the government. Gaddafi,mursi,Yemeni leader Salah , King faisal in the 70s ( he got assassinated) ....etc way a lot i can't go over them all. HOWEVER, before the Arab spring this i admit was not clear to all of us ,but after the Arab spring EVERYTHING WAS CLEAR. we now came to realize misery is built by the happiness of others and our leaders and boarders were chosen and drawn by the west and we must amd will over throw our governments and stop the western intervention in our lands. sorry forgot ( the western people have nothing to do with their governments in fact we are all slaves to this corrupted system we live under " capitalism " or communism both you use " banks" made you know by who i don't have to explain). now about "slavery has evolved" and this time it favors no race only one in fact 👃 and it favors mostly the dollar. we are born to serve and sustain the system and the system milks the life out of us and we gain " invaluable paper money " in return and sometimes we get in debt which is literally an invisible chain in the neck. basically we are living inside bank and the bank choses who succeed and who doesn't and the bank plays with economy and who built it? "the red shield" known as the rothschilds. our muslim lands are the battlefield of the super powers and when you say next time why refugees are in Europe ask yourself what caused them to be there? that's the correct question. Russia is causing the refugee crisis in Europe by bombing the Syrians and helping Assad to kill his people and the refugees are a toy to send them to Turkey and Europe to weaken their economy and make the left wing fight right wing start wars. Russia has an agenda and don't get wrong Russia, china and America/western Europe are fighting for their agenda to who rules who. all of them are trash. now i want to put it in conclusion. " REALIZATION LEADS TO REVALUATION AND REVELATION LEADS TO REVOLUTION " SOMETIMES IT LEADS TO A VERY DIFFERENT R AND THAT'S RADICALIZATION AND THAT HAPPENS WITHOUT BACKBONE. that's why people go far left or far right. because they are weak in character and btw left wing right wing is a toy for the system no matter who wins the system decides everything not the people nor the government. We muslims are in phase one ,but obviously Turkish people has finished phase three. and we look forward to unite with our Muslim brothers and sisters and no islam is not an Arab please don't let me write about it and Arab is not an ethnicity it's a language. the world is Suffering from western imperialism ( not the people unlike you we understand) most people walk with where the wind pushes them am not like that i hope you understand now.
@@IntoEurope The UN is highly western based and most of world countries from Asia to Africa to eastern Europe to south America refuse LGBTQ refuse feminism refuses the banking system refuses the modern slavery ( salve wage ) refuses western subjective vales ,but yet they push it on all of us. using utilitarianism then the west shouldn't be pushing their values on the majority and the majority can take down the west. that's why in political science there's a famous quote " the liberal global order is neither liberal nor global " ( meaning only western based and other countries don't anticipate on it or they will be sanctioned and fought by the west ). also, this is by definition slavery because they tell us what to do and if we refuse, they punish us , starve us or kill us and we have to follow them when they are the minority. so utilitarianism doesn't work and they are enslaving us. what am trying to say is this system is belt on hypocrisy and when Objective moral people start to realize than they will take action and subjectisim will have no answer when the objective moral people start action and they can't say it's " good or bad ". even if objective moral people did wrong the subjective people can't prove it's wrong since it's all subjective. even so atheist can't prove what's good or bad in all topics other than morality. for example, an atheist says to someone you are Bac-kward and that someone says is being Back- ward good or bad ? here they can't really answer. they can't prove being whatever is good or bad. and so on and so on. what am literally saying now will change the world perception and the moral people will take action. it's inevitable. one thing else if they don't have the concept of good or bad of any subject other than morality that means it has no value ( worthless ). for example, asking an atheist is science good or bad ? if he/she did reply with good and bad they can't prove it therefore, it's subjective and has no value at all since they don't have the concept of Good and bad. therefore, all their " facts" ( which are hypothesis not facts ) are worthless if it has no value ( good and bad ). they can't detect which is fact and not if they don't hold on any value and even if they did they can't prove it since it's subjective. We live in a world that ran by subjective people who can't prove their value or the value of anything and can't prove even their subjectivsim and it's value! Yet they have the audacity to tell us what's good or bad and what's valuable and not and what's true and not. also brain is nothing but an organ according to their world view which means they cannot base anything on it and it's all chemical reactions which delude itself on having meaning when there's non which means all their claims as their existence worthless meaningless and untrue. which means they argue for nothing.....
@@IntoEurope now about Democracy it gives the rights to everyone specially the degenerated and rights for lobbyists who play on the country's affairs in and out and rights for people with bad intentions to reach powerful positions and divide the country in left and right and make the country stand for nothing and destroys the identity of the people ( civilization ) sound fimilar? Historically speaking all countries and civilizations stood for something and if you tolerate everything than you stand for nothing. in order for a civilization to stand against hardship and all waves they need to stand for something and democracy and secularism doesn't offer this in fact both are hypocritical systems and subjective. Democracy is Hypocrisy as i explained why above. in nowhere that secularism is " good ".
@@sulimanthemagnificent4893 "kağıt üzerinde" iki saattir ona gülüyoruz iş yerindeki arkadaşlarla. iskender diye birinin "bilinen dünyayı" ele geçirdiğini falan da düşünürsün sen şimdi. ha ha ha adam basbaya kağıt üzerinde dedi lan ha ha ha.
The US is weird. They rejected selling arms and weapon systems to Turkiye, and then Turkiye had to buy them from Russia (which was not the best option, but the only option, I think). Then The US was angry at Turkey for purchasing a system from another country that they did not want to sell in the first place.
Maybe read why they did it. Also one of the reasons is that Turkey has distanced itself in many points, the tension with Greece is getting bigger, practically all in the EU/Usa see Turkey as the main aggressor. Greece would not like that if Turkey gets more fighter jets against them. The whole thing is a balancing act, like almost everything in geopolitics. Then the Turkish campaign in Europe was extremely unpopular, the refugees & border dispute with Greece, which many felt as if Turkey was already the enemy. France, Greece and others wanted at that time EU sanctions against Turkey, but it was blocked to a large extent by Germany. Then later the cuddling with Putin/Russia, the distrust continues to rise. In Germany, one now worries more and more about the Turkish imams, where some have engaged in espionage & give Erdogan more influence in Germany, partly represent values that we reject, are too extreme. The highlight is now the NATO blockade for Finland/Sweden, although this is so important for the security of the Ballstic States & strengthening of NATO. Here times a comment on what to this I copy: This is not necessary, Turkey gets some offers, but not e.g. the demanded resumption of the Eu accession procedure, which Erdogan demanded shortly after the beginning of the war. Maybe something to help the broken Turkish economy. Should there be no results, Usa, France, Great Britain, Germany etc. will simply conclude normal security treaties with them. The important thing is not that they join NATO, but that they have given up their alliance neutrality. They will now cooperate even more closely with the NATO states. Turkey only isolates itself further in NATO & the next time they want something, the others won't listen. Sweden, Finland and others will vote against Turkey at every misstep of Turkey, vote against Turkey in the UN and other votes. In Eu questions use their veto etc. Turkey is only in NATO because it is strategically so well located, for access to the Black Sea, Mediterranean, some Suez Canal. And just as a base for missions in the Middle East, which are becoming more and more unimportant for the U.S. anyway. And otherwise because Turkey would immediately run to Russia, China in case of a withdrawal.
@@Janoip with this current Russian invasion in Ukraine, Turkey's position has gained more importance in regard to geostrategy. I can say that you described the EU as pure as the driven snow yet they're not. the EU has been implementing hypocritical policies for a long time.
1:19 It's not a genocide, it's a forced deportation from Anatolia. If we had done ethnic cleansing, we would have done it to Albanians, Gypsies, Kurds, Zazas and Circassians.
Forced deportations without food or water into a desert, or worse still an ocean qualifies as a genocide. And you know what, I can’t even say anything, since Enver Paşa once said something to the effect of “Don’t blame my subordinates for what’s happening, blame me”. Doesn’t excuse it, but at least I can respect the clarity, also means not everyone *wanted* to commit mass murder.
@@sulimanthemagnificent4893 This is a complete lie Armenians France America Latin America Europe. and from the Middle East he went to Lebanon. and Enver Pasha did not say such a thing
@DarkXlord wont make anyone respect anything. That's on them. Plus I didn't bring the religion thing in the talk. You are assuming things. Go do a military drill. You will need it " bro"
Islam and democracy don’t work together. This is turkeys current issue. Turkey will never be western. Only a very small number of people are western in the country and the rest are religious and dont understand the modern world. It is a very complicated country to change its origins. I do wish turkey will be nation like Europe one day but it is very unlikely when religion has a strong presence in the country and of course its just not the religion there are many other things to complicated to talk here.
Nice video. Maybe some pre ottoman history (roman, eastern roman\byzantine) would shine some more light on how any country in this area tends to have to operate a balancing act of interests
At 10:00 there’s a mismatch with subtitles in “the U.S.” part. Overall, a good introductory video. I hope sometime in the future you could delve deeper into many aspects of Turkish public sentiment: values (including atomization and compliance with the state agenda) collective memory and worldview with age differences. I think it’s important because Turkey seems to share some similarities with Russia in regards to the listed criteria, the same that appear to have played a decisive role in Russia’s most recent history. Also, I think it would be useful to ponder upon Turkey possibly embracing a role of agent of chaos in increasingly disorderly world, in an attempt to become a great power in its own right, as well as its nascent and, IMO, underutilized partnership with Israel. Just some ideas floating in my inexpert mind. P.S. I think it’s first time we see your face on a channel video? Anyway, keep showing it:)
I don’t see a future with Israel, it’s a partnership that lasted for a while but I think that Israel will be increasingly cornered by the Muslim countries including Turkey in the future. There’s only so much “partnership” that can be maintained with a state that is a colonial occupier which continues ethnic cleansing and that is opposed by much of the people that surround it.
Good video but it felt a little bit as if it just stopped in the middle. There wasn't really a conclusion or outro in the end. Just some constructive criticism. I really like your channel and your videos.
this whole region is like that. Syria and Lebanon had hundreds of years ot Italian influence, and the Christians of Syria and Lebanon copied almost everything Europeans did, then came the French mandate that accentuated the influence even more. I would argue the whole of East Mediterranean basin is a mixture of the orient and the west.
Different from them though, Turkey (the Ottomans) have always been a powerhouse and a trend setter in the region. And while all of the countries you mentioned were occupied or colonized in one way or the other, Turkey was never occupied nor colonized by the West. It was on equal terms, fighting on equal grounds. Sometimes it lost, sometimes it won, and in each instance both were heavily influenced by one another. Hence the complex relationship with the West.
@@direnius before the ottomans was even created Syrians also ruled an empire that spanned Europe, traded with Europe and allied with countries of Europe. and I'm speaking for more than 7 decades. not to mention the Greek settlements that existed in the region and got only kicked out by the ottomans. they left a huge mark. the crusaders left also a signature. in Syria and Lebanon they still have European descendants of the crusaders, even full villages. the Levant is truly a connection of East and West and the current culture of Syria and Lebanon proves it.
@Colchonero Italiano Macaroni tbh I forgot because I learned it back in my school but it was during the ottoman rule. the Lebanese and the Syrians asked for Tuscany help to get rid of the ottomans, they failed but the Levant became the safest region for European merchants to trade and it became an exchange hub of culture specially with Italy. for example if you visit the Levant you'll see Italian influenced architecture, this is the Italian influence I'm talking about. and that's why traditional building here are way different than other regions like in turkey or Egypt.
@Colchonero Italiano Macaroni be advised that in history books you'll see only Syria mentioned but back then Lebanon was integral part of Syria. so technically it's Syria and Lebanon
In Turkey, there is a cultural warfare between islam and secular ideology. Last 20 years islam win (of course erdogan) this battle. There is nothing more to say.
It started before 20 years, banning of headscarf for example (even western countries never did that.) Also Secular in what sense and Islamic in what sense. Before him, there was a ban on a rlgs practice - scarf, now have freedom to wear it or not. - that's usually considered a part of functioning secular country. In Tky and France, Seclrsm has a another meaning of Anti rlgn.
@@ij4674 Wearing headscarf not banned. It was forbidden only in government buildings. I say islamic because of for example Erdogan claims his economic policies come from Quran and he has very opposite opinon about republic and secular state.
@@ilyasemredurmus4432 His economic policy is to cut interest rate to make exports more easier and increase industrial output, at the expense of decrease in prior std of living. He don't claim that, he claim that interest rate is unislamic, - which is an incomplete fact in that context. Also the economic system envisioned by Islam is drastically different from the current existing one. Turkey is only Islamic in the sense that ''identity" is now openly and actively promoted by ruling class along with pan turkic identify - and rightfully so if Turkey want something bigger than it in the world stage. Turkey was considered as a secular success model for other ME countries to emulate during his earlier period of rule. Not the anti rlgs seclrsm.
@@ij4674 Ban on islamic clothes comes from Turkey’s start. A country needed to leave religion out of government businesses for sake of creating seculat constution, law and people. Ottoman Empire was ruled by religion rules like cutting hand of a thief etc. It’s modernization needed a revolution hence religious things were forbidden. It was necessary at the time, however you could argue if it was necessary now. On my personal point of wiev all religions are BS but if it does not harm other people in anyway it could be allowed. But this kind of secularism accepted by all government instution because of fearing things like religious uprisings, or organizations that made coup attempt(which Erdogan was working with them until not long ago). In the end it was de-arabization.
Actually we are neither western nor eastern and also neither southern nor northern. We are on the land that the center of the world which tens empires existed on it like Osmanlı, Selçuklu, Bizans, Rome and other old anatolian empires. But eventually we are the Türk which came from Asia. Yep nobody invited us to these land. And also nobody gifted it. We took it.
I doubt you or the the average Turk is related to the actual Asian invaders. They Turkified the native populations of Asia Minor and Modern Turkey is a mixture of all who have lived there in the past. It's sad to see that Celebrations of Turkey always start with a conquest. No other country does that! Like the British celebrating the Norman invasions and forgetting all who were there before them.
@@rogerdodger8813 You were imposed with the misinformations about us by the Türk haters. Also we do not pay attention other nations celebrations and also their opinion regarding us. Because we know what we are. I can write lots of things regarding the Türk history but eventually your thoughts and bias will not change. the best ? be respectful.
@@murattarikturhan There are some strong linguistical and cultural connections to east/central asian turk ethnicities, but there's almost no genetic link (anymore). Some sure, but not very significant other than in proofing that large scale Immigration has taken place in the past. Turks are more arabic/ caucasian than genetically related to e.g. Uyghurs. Of course as an ethnic nationalist with one foot in facistoid ideology you won't accept this but maybe i am wrong and you'll reconsider your point of view. Human history and mating over extended periods of time isn't as linear as ethnic nationalists would like to believe.
@@rogerdodger8813 "Britain" is itself an old Latin name for the land, so your argument disparaging the Norman conquest (lol) isn't exactly watertight.
@@_kurdi_47 but European people never let easterners get any land without their approval so.. maybe try creating a Kurdistan in Sweden? They seem very willing.
Great. His next video will be on: Optimum Currency Areas (OCA), the Eurozone, spatial inequality, real exchange rate adjustment, internal devaluation, competitiveness, convergence, the impossibility trilemma, the macro-imbalances procedure (MIP), institutional barriers to mobility, and the economics of European integration. Cant wait!
You said,1915 events was a Genocide!.Why?. Because Western countries unhistorian parliaments(who even don’t know geography and history of Ottomans) decide so.No evidence,no international courts.But Turkiye opened to archieves.Also Russia has a archieves and there are some evidence about Russian army had a cooperation with Armenian militias, Gangs ( Tashnak,Hınchak etc...) During WW1, Ottomans army fought in many Fronts as Gallipoli,Arabia Deserts,Suveys Channel,Caucasus... When Turkish 3’rd army lost against to Winter conditions with -40 C’ in north east front,and thousands Ottoman soldiers died with summer uniforms.(Because they were not ready to fight in heavy winter conditions, many Ottomans soldiers came from Arabia deserts to Caucasus front) Russia invaded defenceless north east Anatolia with armenian militias gangs who used this situation as opportunist ideas.And Armenians gangs massacred to mostly Kurdish origins villages,some turkish villages in East Anatolia and they tried to cut of Ottomans logistic ways and they assaulted to Ottoman army’s back side in 1915.Also As I said Ottomans were in fronts Gallipoli, Syria,Arabia,Suveys channel ... and East and Middle Anatolia were defenceless situation against to Armenian militia and gangs.And that Armenian gangs used to force to Armenian civilians for betray to Ottomans army.Ottomans army and people beat to Armenian militias, gangs,then deported hundred thousands Armenian civilians to Syria.Unfortunatelly happened to some violence against to Armenian people during deportation.But these violations were not Ottoman State order,but it caused some Local Ottoman officers ,villagers, some of them kurdish origins Hamidiye Alays).Ottoman State judged some Ottoman officers and even executed to Ottoman governor District of Bogazlayan). In summary thousands People(TurksKurds,Armenians) suffered and died in 1915 war conditions.Then After collapsed of Ottoman Empire,France invaded south east Turkiye and Armenian militias and gangs appeared again with cooperated France army between 1918-1922 untill victory of Turkish indipendent war.
we live with 20.000.000 kurds and 15.000.000 arabs, they were 90% in southeastern of Türkiye but especially after Erdoğan bring millions of arabs immigrants now they are everywhere.. our arab lover goverment started to add arabic language for them in schools, in hospitals, everywhere and made them citizen for the elections which is must be in next year if erdoğan not open war with greece for run away from elections!! he ask them vote for him.. I dont know to where my country going.. not a good way I am afraid.. we secular turks are suffering since 20 years, erdoğan f.d up everything in our country, culture, money, economy, education.. he will go next year of I am afraid a civil war waiting for my beautiful, alone country.
@@gokceaksoy8094 yes my mistake about kurds, they are more but we do count refugees because most of them made citizen for their votes. Even they added arabic as you see everywhere, at past you could see just turkish and english now you see arabic.. do you think they put all these just for 3 millions arabs on southeastern side? Even they opened school in izmir, students and teachers are syrian or other arab nations. Hatay belediye başkanının 5 - 10 yıl içinde başkan arap olacak çünkü türk nüfusunu geçecekler demecini okudunuz mu? Hastanelerde doğum oranı günlük 2 türk bebeğe karşılık 10 arap bebeğe çıktı çocuk başına para da veriyorlar üstelik.. bunlar burada kalırsa yaklaşık kaç yıl sonra biz azınlık hale düşeriz sizce?
Alsoi, Turkey's westernization didn't start with Ataturk but with Mahmud II who made major reforms of westernization and making the Empire more European
Originally it was a Eastern Country, Their ancestors come from China/Mongolia/central asia but eventually living within the west turn western, still have a eastern soul.
This is so bad take, if you look at the DNA composition of the Turks, majority of them share their DNA have significant amount of Italian, Greek and Balkan elements and then central Asian, barely any Turks get Mongolian/Chinese in their DNAs. I don't know where you did the research but that is simply not true at all.
You have been showing Turkey as red, whereas Europe and America as blue. Throughout the rest of the video you use the color red again to highlight Russia and China putting it into the same group as Turkey. You made clear you view Turkey as an eastern country. You just could have said so instead of making this video.
When Germany the biggest EU country with the most seats in Parliament has a population of 83 million, a country of 85 million like Turkey is too much to swallow. No European country would want us get the most seats in the European Parliament. South Cyprus didn't meet the Copenhagen criteria at all. Due to Greece's blackmail to block the accession of Central and Eastern European countries, the Greek part of Cyprus was accepted as a member state despite it being unable to meet the Copenhagen requirements. It's not just a matter of meeting the EU criteria.
Turkey would never be accepted in the EU bc of it weak economy ( even Ukraine can’t join the EU for at least 15 years “if it’s economy gets better” as noted by France recently ) the French are also commuting an inquisition against its Muslim minority bc it couldn’t overcome its catholic hatred of Islam ( in short there is no such think as western values in Europe , Europeans have always had a racist village mentality , western values can only be founded in the USA 🇺🇸 ) its multicultural , tolerant , progressive , no collective punishment mentality ) finally Erdogan is central left Islamist he hasn’t imposed any Islamic law by contrast in Poland you have a Christianist right wing government that have imposed religious law in Poland that affects women rights , you also have right wing Christianist influence in the US imposing there Christian values that affects women rights such as operation , in Greece you have areas where women are banned for religious reasons these areas are larger then pairs , Erdogan welcomed all refugees regardless of religion or race by contrast in the EU Eastern European countries like Poland , Slovakia Czech Republic banned Muslim refugees , thus please don’t tell me about western values there is no western values in most European countries it’s little village values who love to lecture other nations about human rights and civility as a form of superiority .
Turkey needs to change their way of thinking. A country that always looks back to remake the empire they had in the past, IS ALWAYS Dangerous. Turkey and Civil rights are not friends. Turkey and freedom of speech are not friends. Turkey and human rights are not friends. These are the main reason Turkey will never join EU. No EU country trust Turks. Sure economy is also part of it but nowhere near to the above.
@@Jewzi123 Well I don’t support hating anyone including Europeans this is how it feels to me as an American-Canadian. I think Europeans think that the North America-Europe alliance is against Islam. Well as a North American we are not against Islam, but we are against theocracy and dictatorship. It’s a big difference. In the Barbary Wars the USA made clear that it does not want to be considered a crusader. You are right, Turkey is probably more secular than many of these “Western” countries.
The Ottoman Empire never saw it self as an Islamic Empire. If anything they saw themselves as successors to the Roman and Byzantine Empire hence the Ottoman claim to Roman succession by calling themselves Kayser-i Rûm
I didnt see Canada accepted Juliam Assange. Freedom of speech and freedom of press is western lies. You couldnt make communist publishings in cold war era in western democracies))) Every country has own national security conceptions and freedom of speech is based on that conception.
i think you should also mention Turkeys position as an industrial supplier for eu with the recent supply crisis with china and logistics issues. Turkey relies on western markets but how easy it is for western markets to give up on an industrial powerhose in their backyard?
@@IhaveBigFeet Everybody who is interested in history knows, that only reason why Switzerlands has a high GDP is because it was paid with the marshall plan Dollars and literal nazi gold, so no this comparison is kinda stupid
@@IhaveBigFeet The thing is only Poland and Turkey is capable of replacing China in terms of a industrial supplier role to EU. Turkey has a bit of an uphand to Poland due to reasons of: 1. Turkey already has a developed and ready to work highly diversified industrial complex thus does not require much investments 2. Unfortunately, Turkish workforce is almost free in terms of Euro.
Turks will always be Westernised Asians in my eyes. I'm Filipino of Spanish descent as many Filipinos are but we are still Asian despite being Westernised.
You're not ethnically mixed like the Turks. Ottoman Empire spanned on 3 continents. It has subjects from Bosnia to Saudi Arabia. Turkey inherited this multi-ethnicity and cultural diversity when the Ottoman Empire collapsed. But if you speak about the origin of the Turks, you are right. Their ancestral land is the central asian steppes
@@mustafahakim1298 Genetically European? Are you that ignorant of your history? Maybe culturally European for the city dwellers but genetically speaking, Turks possess Arabic, European & Central Asian roots thanks to the Ottoman Empire spanning from Southeastern Europe to North Africa. Seriously, please get your facts straight. Whether you like it or not, a vast majority of the EU boys will never accept you as European. No matter how much reasoning you give, it will never remove the simple fact that your language is Central Asian and your general cultural traits is Middle Eastern. So move on and deal with that unfortunate reality.
Every time someone try to revive an dead old legacy, 100% of the time end up failing, even more quickly if it has to fight against people that want to build a new future.
Hmm, maybe I have a bad hearing but I thought the rulers of Ottoman Empire were the sultan but the sultan of Ottoman Empire claimed the title of Caliph, meaning domestically the governing person of Ottoman Empire were Sultan since Caliph is more of a religious title.
perhaps a reference to turkey sending drones to ukraine military and closing the black sea straits to Russian vessels but not sanctioning Russia and having purchased military equipment from Russia
Europe ends in Constantinopel. The whole rest of Asia minor has always been a gate and battleground from forces driving out of Europe and the fertile crescent.
We have a distinct Turkic culture, laced with Anatolian culture. We are neither "european" nor "middle eastern". We are Turkic, and "eurasian". "Asian" would be fine also. But never european and never middle eastern. Stop shoving your ill fitting terms upon us.
I think Turkey is broadly western, as is eastern Europe. However, those are ambiguous regions that have historically not been fully in or out of the western umbrella. I'd also include Latin America in that. Certainly a part of why we question Turkish western credentials is because the core power centers of the west lie on northern European countries and the US, and Turkey would probably be not seen as that distant from the west if instead southern Europe was the hegemonic region in the EU.
If Southern Europe was the hegemonic power of the EU, Greece would probably still be the Byzantine Empire, making the entire ‘Turkey=European’ discussion irrelevant… :P On a different note, Latin America is the opposite of Turkey - culturally European and politically outside the West. If Latin America becomes developed, that might change- while the situation in Turkey is harder to change due to cultural and religious factors.
@@e.v3832 Fredinno said culturally european, not genetically european. The all speak Spanish with the exception of Portuguese in Brazil ofc , are catholic christians and their society is organized in the same fashion as european - american society, albeit with local flavor ofc. It's a region with distinct history and cultural composition but same is the Balkan countries, post-soviet central and eastern european countries, nordic countries, greece, english, germans, french, the iberian countries. We don't all have identical cultures but are much more alligned with each other than with the middle east-arab world, subsaharan african, turkic central asia or the far east.
@@sarantis1995 I have been both southern europe and northern america,(in there I met many south americans) ,anyway due to religion and immigration they have some similarities with southern europe but still they are way different and they have own distinct culture, way of life etc, so in reality no one in southern europe real consider south americans as their brother etc , except argentinians and some brazillians they don't have look european either and that's why they face racism in U.S, so in conclusion they are not western but kinda hybrid within native domination
In fact, what separates Turkey from the West is not its geographical location, but its religion. If they were Christian, I'm sure everyone would see them as part of Europe.
Let's see. Turkey is ultra nationalistic, islamic, has a past rooted in Mongolia (Han and Kan are titles used by Mongol Leaders and Turkish Sultans) their music is oriental, the harem culture also came from ancient China and then it passed on to Turks and Arabs, Persians etc. Also, 97% of modern Turkey is located in Asia. Only 3% is situated on European soil. Erdogan playing with both NATO, Russia and Iran at the same time, is part of the Oriental culture. Turkish people were nomads of Asia and entered what is known as modern Turkey, less than 1000 years ago. Also, Turkish culture is imperialistic in nature, glorifying conquest and theft: For example they are proud of conquering a church like Ayia Sofia and turning it into a mosque. To understand this, imagine being French, conquering Egypt, turning the Pyramids into Cathedrals and then brag about conquering the area and turning pyramids into churches. Their mentality is totally barbaric. Not to mention the genocides against Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks, etc. So, no, Turkey is definitely not Western. I have been there and felt like an alien world, far from Europe. I forgot to mention the language, which is totally Asian... Just like the Gypsies came originally from India and never became Europeans, Turks came from the Far East and never became Europeans. I could go on and on, of course...
We refuse the term "european". We are "Eurasian". "Asian" is fine also. But never "european". Thanks for pointing this out. You are one of these few sensible westoids.
As a Turkish Person I define myself as Eurasian for a short answer when my foreign friends wonders and asks questions like "where do you feel belong to?"etc...
I find the premise of the this video to be strange. Why do we need to box Turkey into a definition based on contrasts (east vs west)? Even "The West" is not uniform in ideals, culture, governance, values, etc. Why should we expect Turkey, arguably the most diverse country in human history, to be beholden to such lines? Especially when, lets be honest, Europeans don't really want Turkey close to them. They want a buffer to keep out the Syrians and Afghans. If Turkey was "completely" west (European Union would be the practical definition in this case), Europeans wouldn't get to be covert racists why complaining about Turkish democracy.
The Turks are Mongols from the middle of Asia and the Europeans know this so they will not allow you to become part of the union European so do not pretend to be European because this is really pathetic. You Asian accept the truth of the matter
At 9:42, you give a projection of the lira and mention the diminishing purchasing power. But did you know that other upcoming economies like South Africa, Brazil, Argentina etc. were and are still facing the same problem? Because it is a deliberate form of financial policy dominated by the West to weaken these upcoming nations that are threatening their dominant positions in the financial world. It's not just Turkey that's suffering from this.
Ahhh yes the global consipracy 'to weaken upcoming nations', I've heard this one. Could it simply be that the current financial system was built by the US (and to a lesser extent Europe) to benefit them and not Turkey or other developing countries? (shocker countries are self-interested :O)
1:15 You cannot gain anything by trying to rewrite the history. You cannot treat Turkey like Germany, because Turks are not a genocidal nation like Germans. You have to understand the culture of the Ottoman empire, how misbehaving communities were often forcefully moved, just like the Armenians in the east who had an armed rebellion against Turks and allied with Russian invaders. You cannot call this a genocide or ethnic cleansing from your Western European perspective, as Western Europeans got involved a lot in such actions. You may listen to Bernard Lewis on this. I have disliked this video and flagged it for hate and abuse.
First of all, the central bank needs to be free. Instead of doing what Erdogan wants, he should be under the control of competent people and do what is necessary. Secondly, as you mentioned, the government, which said that the investment in TL in order to attract foreign investors, if the dollar gains value, we will pay the difference, said that it will pay it from the treasury, that is, from the taxes of the people, this is wrong. Thirdly, it is necessary to produce In my country, that is, in Turkey, the taxes were buried in the road, the garden and the ridiculous buildings over time, not the production factories. For example, there are 47,572 schools in 81 provinces (high school, secondary school and primary school) and there are 205 universities in 81 provinces, which also causes a decline in education. If you want to produce something in my country, you generally import the raw material, so there is an import-based production here. And the corruption of the people, don't let other people misunderstand, but we have a term called Arabization and people are getting arab more and more because of political Islam, people are no longer able to walk safely on the street, women can't wear what they want, men are afraid of meeting a woman they want to meet, it's a very bad situation. I'm a Turkish young man. and there are millions of adults and young people who think like me. Turks are not bad people, please don't recognize Turkey as bad. In a democratic and independent country, the ministries must be independent and do what is necessary. As you mentioned in the video, they take loyal and trusted people, not competent people. The country is officially ruled by a monarchy, even though it seems democratic. Some people are afraid of writing these articles that I wrote, and I think I am a little afraid that people who write such articles can be jailed. I hope I have summarized well.I wish you a good day, good life. -Another thing I would like to add as a regulation is the cases of incompetence and theft. By stealing I mean not the people's doing it, but the statesmen's clandestine irregularities. There are a lot of statesmen in this way. There are people who open a region for zoning and finish that construction in 5 or 6 years and earn millions of liras over it. (Of course, even if the public does this, the sentence I said at the beginning is a crime should not be misunderstood). Many of the executive names, such as those working in the government, can use Islam to steal and immorality they want, and hide behind it. Islam is not such a religion, it is just exploited and used. For example, in the past, a businessman and a candidate for parliament used Islam to make anti-LGBT statements, and recently a sex video with 2 men was exposed. I am a Turkish youth who adheres to the principles and reforms of Atatürk. ---There is one more thing I forgot, asylum seekers, and asylum seekers turn the economy upside down. It is an extremely important issue that needs to be resolved urgently, it is not a matter of being a citizen to be a refugee, it is that we provide security for them for a certain period of time. It has been 6 or 7 years. Most citizens are now afraid of asylum seekers and think of it as a silent occupation (I think the same way). 100 years ago, we shed the blood of citizens on every inch of this country's land, defend it by fighting, there is a martyr's blood in every inch of it. This kind of silent occupation is a problem that needs to be solved urgently.
The fact of the matter is that no Turk, not one of them, will consider themselves Asian or Middle Eastern. Most will consider themselves different altogether, being part of Anatolia. Most will consider themselves European. But almost all will consider themselves neither western nor eastern. We don't use those terms to describe people.
As I have personally experienced the country, regarding the culture rather than the periodic politics, it’s Western on the east and south coasts as well as certain big cities, and Eastern in the hinterland.
Honestly, the video seems to have a bit Eurocentric point of view with biases and misinformations (e.g. relgious authority has always been appointed by the govt. even during the Ottoman times thus under the state control) and the also the video focusing too much on politics that change based on the goverment of the time, rather than giving cues about the culture, people and the structure of the country. Maybe, next time it'd be better to speak with some more experts, preferably non-Turkish, but expert on the country.
Turkey is an in-between. A link between the West and the West Asia. It's always been strategically important and this is why the West wants the country as part of the Western sphere. The problem has been that in recent years, Turkey has moved away from the Western economic/political system and has begun to pursue it's own interests. I would not class Turkey as a true ally for this reason. They're unpredictable
Nobody can be true allies. Country's only do things that will benefit to them. Some can think things on the long run some just want to save themselves on the short term. The reason why Turkey got away from west was because western countries started to push us away. Thats why Erdoğan got close to Arabs. Was it a good move? Arguable but the reason isnt becuase we are unpredictable or volatile.
@@xxxxxx-rg6qr I don't see how this is good for the turks either. As stated in the video much of the turkish economy relies on the EU. Russia and especially china are not reliable trading partners. They will stab you in the back if you step out of line, just check how other countries involved in the belt and road initiative are doing.
@@xxxxxx-rg6qr What freedoms are we talking about? Freedom of speech? Freedom of religion? Free and fair elections? Rule of law? Good luck trying to have any of those with the Chinese.
The same would be said about my country algeria And the maghreb region such as morocco, tunisia, libya and egypt And also kurdistan and israel and armenia Are they western or eastern?
Ok, but then I have another question: what about the other states on the Balkans? I mean the Christian ones like Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia that are fully in Europe and share some form of European culture. Are they western in westerners' point of view?
Yeah, I wish they democratized and stopped their shenanigans against the EU with their occupation of Cyprus and their threats towards Greece. Let’s hope that the next generation of Turks will manage to fix the problems that are making the country suffer.
@@Niko-hj7yq When Germany the biggest EU country with the most seats in Parliament has a population of 83 million, a country of 85 million like Turkey is too much to swallow. No European country would want us get the most seats in the European Parliament. South Cyprus didn't meet the Copenhagen criteria at all. Due to Greece's blackmail to block the accession of Central and Eastern European countries, the Greek part of Cyprus was accepted as a member state despite it being unable to meet the Copenhagen requirements. You're not the brightest if you think that this is just a matter of meeting the EU criteria.
I’d like to know more about Turkey’s relationship to the east (I just watched a video from Caspian Report and would love to know more). Like will the rail corridor across turkey connect china’s belt and rail to the European core rail network?
0:06 That's Ayia Sofia (''Holy Wisdom'' in Greek - Aγία Σοφία) and it was built as an Orthodox Christian Church in the Eastern Roman Empire. It's not a Turkish building, the opposite, it was sacked by the Ottomans, destroyed religious artefacts inside and turned it into a mosque. And that's just the 0,5% of the anti secular/western things Turkey has done.
To be fair they never said that the building itself was turkish. I mean fucking everyone knows that the Hagia Sophia was built by the Byzantines. I feel it's just showing one of the most famous places of worship today in turkey. Although i guess i understand that it might give off the impression that the church was made by the turks, perhaps they could have shown some other mosque or something idk.
@@user-fy6kr7yr9c Yep, that's exactly what I thought as well. For some reason in the video they called it ''Haga Sophia'', ''HAGA''? WTH is Haga?!? 😂 That along with showing it at the beginning as something with turkish roots make me assume that they didn't dig deeper, in the Byzantine times etc. And for someone who doesn't really know history it isn't really hard for them to assume that is a turkish creation, besides, it's the jewel of Instabul and it's promoted as such. One look at it and people immediately think ''yep, Turkey'' 🤷♂️
In geopolitics, Turkey is more like a European country. But in history and geography, it is Asian. Well, that's according to our history class. I dunno if there's other perspective to that.
Made a dna check for fun, i was 7% asian. 11% Poland reagion (like wtf) Hahahahah. LOL. Yet inside i am the most Turkish person you will know. Westrn - Eastrn those things are magazine for us, any Turk could't care less honestly.
Even if things were different for Turkey with respect to democracy and human rights,i don't think Turkey would still be regarded as a western country.Being west comes from birth and a country that was a rival to the west back in history cannot entitle it. Japan which is an equal to the west in terms of every aspects of modern values is a great example of that.
Context is everything, and everything can be made to sound bad out of context. They are 'problematic countries' in terms of the rule of law, and in the sense that if they tried to apply for the EU today with their current political systems, they would be refused until they implemented reforms. The same goes for Turkey. Cheers, Hugo
@@IntoEurope They joined a completely different EU, ideology-wise and felt well in it for over a decade, even hearing to be quiet many times. The rule of law turned out to be a pretext. Have You seen the milestones presented to Warsaw and the recent requirement to allow judges to rule on other judges status? Accepting those postulates equals a failed state and then a protectorate status with no decision making. No surprise Warsaw has declared it will be less accomodating of Brussels demands. Try understanding the CEE disillusioned with the EU sometimes.
Yes and no, for the sake of precision, lets split Hungary and Poland's situations shall we? They are not comparable since Poland's issue is legal in nature and Hungary is legal on top of corruption and patronage politics. While I acknowledge the EU has changed (it has done so with the assent of Hungary and Poland), the rules that those two countries are bending/breaking (call it whatever you want) are the very criteria (Copenhague Criteria) they had to apply themselves to join. Whether the EU should have allowed for punitive measures from the get-go on those infringing those criteria is a pointless what-if question is. But it is now trying to do so retroactively and with reluctance by the other member states who are also worried about giving up sovereignty. This does not per-say have to do with ideology directly imo, but then you are entitled to your own opinion on this matter. What I think you fail to acknowledge is the ideology of those two countries has itself shifted in the past decade and now have national populist governements with no respect for the pluralism they signed up for when they joined the EU. Additionally, the postulate you argue the EU is trying to impose is simply the seperation of powers in that is prescribed in every democracy. It is not a criteria for a failed state nor is it equal to vassalage. The alternative to judges ruling over judges is politically appointed judges (as is the case now in Poland) which is exactly what leads to state capture by a single political party like what we've seen in Hungary. This is not democracy, it is majoritarianism. I am under no disillusion on the nature of the EU as an imperfect institution, and a western-centric one at that which tends to ignore the unique history of Eastern and Central Europe (something I am also too often guilty of). This should however not prevent us from calling an authoritarian government authoritarian. Cheers, Hugo
@@IntoEurope Warsaw's proposal modelled after German and French solutions of the power separation have been rejected with openly denigrating comment that those countries have a higher degree of legal culture, hence their mechanisms cannot be copied. "National populism" is an empty slur for a conservatism that isn't cuckservatism, it's devoid of any other meaning. "Authoritarianism"? When Western countries operate for months under state of emergency to quell domestic protests, as in France, that's enlightened democracy. When no such thing happens in Warsaw, that's still "authoritarianism". What is that authoritarian exactly about Warsaw govt? The alternative over judges ruling whether other judges, their equals or even superiors is not anarchy, but a nomination process. Just as judges, in the end are nominated in France and Germany. They're not a self-electing body under no external control as they used to be in Poland. Judges ruling over validity of other judges' nomination outside of any framework, ad hoc, is judicial anarchy, not a rule of law. If that happened in Paris, the judge trying to do so would be imprisoned within days and rightly so. Again, have You looked at the milestones? They have very little to do with the Copenhague Criteria, but include curious items such as changes to the Parliament internal rules.
You mean these milestones? --> ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_3375 If this is the list you are refering to, then it is only about judicial reform, if it isn't feel free to share the list you are refering to. (Also Copenhague Criteria is about rule of law which includes how your political system operates which checks and balances, which also includes the legislative branch, but hey just a minor detail). The point about the French and German systems is that you would be taking a piece of them without the rest of the system. That is exactly what Hungary has done, taking piecemeal legislation from different democratic countries to create an authoritarian whole. That is exactly what Poland is even doing, taking elements of the French system to build its own authoritarian model. Read opinion here; verfassungsblog.de/french-law-is-not-a-model-for-the-polish-bill-on-disciplining-judges/ What you are saying is a false equivalency. (but hey I'm not a legal expert, so what do I know) On French protests, you say the state of emergency was used to quell protests is ridiculous: the Gillets Jaunes crisis ended before the start of Covid after the government backtracked on a series of reforms including pension reform. Sure you will point the vaccine mandates, but those were lifted once the pandemic regressed. Whereas Hungary has been in a state of emergency continuously since 2015. Yet another false equivalency. Why is Poland's government authoritarian? Because if they have their way with their judicial reform can take any decision they want regardless of the constitution by just having it rubber-stamped by the Supreme Court. That is what this entire situation is about, to prevent Poland from becoming another Hungary which has changed its constition 11 times since 2011, increasing the power of the government and of Fidesz. Why is national populism a slur? It means right wing politics combined with anti-elitism and anti-establishmentism, its a technical term. Cuckservatism is however a slur. Anyways, I don't think I will get anything out of this exchange other than relativism, false equivalencies, distortions and slurs, this will be my last answer. Cheers, Hugo
The video provides an effective summary of Turkey's current status. However, it neglects the one fundamental reason why Turkish accession to the European Union was never taken seriously. Many European states were fundamentally opposed to a large muslim country being accepted into the union. They may not have said this explicitly but it was the elephant in the room of all the negotiation.
That is not true. It all depends on whether the country that wants to join the EU shares European values and that's it. If not then you will not join to the EU because you just don't want it.
Quite accurate. Also, open borders would cause issues with refugees' passing into Western countries. Democracy, human rights, etc, are just words they prefer to use instead (for the most part), and mostly leave it open-ended with them.
Weird question , if wasn't western then would not be in NATO ,but for sure in last 10 years become more non western and if trend goes like this within 10-15 years it could become totally non western
It can never become non western. Even our genetics tied to the western people. Both eastern and western cultures embeded to ours it will be difficult to get rid of them.
@@FOLIPE You can find tones of anti communist countries in outside of western world but non of them are member of nato, nato is basically european/western alliance
@@e.v3832 As I said culturally embedded makes things difficult for us to vompletely turn away from democracy and other ideologies that west has. Next year will be elections so we will see how it will go. Majority of people do not want Erdogan anymore.
I think western Europeans often underestimate how european Turkey actually is. We see the surface which would be the eastern religion and poor quality of life (in comparison to WE, not in general) and just put them in the "Asia" box. But they're really more similar to the balkan nations than one'd think. We should see the turks as the bridge between east and west rather than a part of either.
Turkey should distribute the power of Ankara to local governments like Switzerland. Also Turks are European both genetically and culturally, Kurds and Arabs in the southeastern Turkey are not. Just let them have their own country and finally we will have a place in Europe(not EU we don't need another central government). Our average IQ, GDP per capita and HDI will increase. Then we can channel the money spent on military into much more productive areas.
türkiye is only country that have conflict usa, russia, china and eu at same time türkiye is also only country that have military relationship with usa, russia and eu same time. geopolitical situation of türkiye forces it to balance between powers. turkey can't afford to be on war front for either powers.
it can ------ if it would completly side with europe ----- but for that they would have to let go of ther Fanatic believes -- retun to atatürk instead of Fanatic Islam
Because it's geographically both, it's considered neither. Sounds weird but the west consider it east because they're muslim and not white. The east consider it west because it's more economically aligned to the west in the way it operates and its NATO membership.
So do you remember when Hitler was like that the Aryan Germans were higher than Eastern Europe. and considers the eastern slavs as lowly non-white nations as white as the Turkic people who are another ethnic group in the Soviet Union. where 60% slav east . 30%Turkic
Don’t get your hopes up any time soon tho. Maybe long term but now the focus has clearly moved for the eu to integrate Moldova and Ukraine. It’s long and messy but I hope one day you too can be part of the eu
@@realtimestatic when did Lebanon join Europe? its a asian country. the EU is only for states within the European continent. thus Turkey wouldn’t qualify. thats why admitting Turkey would cause the entire Middle East want to join the EU. the borders stop at Thrace.
as a Turk, i don't understand why you europeans are so much obsessed with turkiye's location. Most of you europeans say in the comments that turks assume themselves european while we turks always say we are asian. I don't know where this misconception comes from but we Turks are asian and our country Turkiye is located in both asia and europe basically euroasia. Being located in europe does not make us european. We are culturally, historically asian.
Well he would do some things more but it wouldnt change many things truth be told. His governing style was our problem after he died afterall. We were in isolation for so long and many social problems cant be solved through his ideology. Dont get me wrong I love Atatürk he saved us but he had faults too and he probably wont be good for today's standards although he did an impossible job in his time.
@@exosproudmamabear558 I feel like his biggest mistake was giving the military too much power to maintain his vision of a secular Turkey which led the country to deal with multiple military coups like in 1963.1971,1980,1993 and 1997.
@@NisarKhan-jm1uh Yeah ,he really couldnt establish proper democratic components such as anticorruption laws and anti corruption establisment he designed was military so Turkey's whole history gone from dictators to coups then to people who stole from the people. The ones who didnt steal or wasnt dictators did nothing for the country. Seriously it is worse than monarchy at this point someone needs to revise whole democratic system alltogether or we will relive these again and again. Note: Russia has the same military as anticorruption and you can see what that brang them to.
@@exosproudmamabear558 I agree with you. This may have lead to a lot of turks thinking that a secular government was a very authoritarian government. I personally disagree with the type of secularism that Ataturk went for which was a very hands on type of secularism which disregards people's civil liberties and freedoms which is a basic building block of a healthy functioning democracy. I would argue that a country forcing women not to wear a hijab is just as bad as a country forcing women to wear a hijab. It's like forcing people to wear or not wear a certain type of clothing. I feel like Ataturk had a severe inferiority complex as he believed there was only one civilization,the European civilization which I think is a very narrow minded way of looking at the world.
As a Turk we are east for westeners, west for easterners.
Ah, I think I commented something similar to describe this nation recently.
"West" is not about geography here. It's a set of political values. Seemingly you are (or rather should be) part of the west as nato members and EU candidates, but unfortunately Erdogan is an Islamist dictator, a kind that may as well be in Iran or any other central Asian dictatorships.
There's a similar problem with Hungary. And you can see these are the two governments that acting as moles within the west, vetoing the nato expansion or the gas embargo.
@@wabalaladabdab first i want to say i didnt vote for erdogan or approve most of his actions in Turkey. But if it wasnt Erdoğan the Turkish stance between eu would be the same, Turkey will never be allowed to enter eu because the mindset of the western politicians are Turkofobic. We saw this clearly when Turkish f 16 shot down a russian plane few years ago nato wouldnt supply Turkey anti aircraft patriots...
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Of course I didn't blame you or most Turkish people personally for Erdogan. International trust is very hard and takes long to build, and very easy to erode. I'm unfortunately Hungarian, (I hate Orban) and I can tell, Hungary would have never been admitted to the EU if it applied just a bit later, and it would be kicked out if there was a legal possibility for that. (This is one of the reason why the EU is more cautious now). Honestly, from the vast majority of the European population, I cannot see any racist attitude against Turkish people or Turkey in general (the christian is always racist everywhere, but fuck 'em). But the EU has way too many problems now with an anti-secular dictatorship (Hungary, which is also Putin's ally), and an anti-secular semi-dictatorship (Poland), so anyone who would like to join has to be really convincing that there is no popular support for anything like this, and that the country is super secular, very liberal, democratic, and a reliable ally to the West (eg. doesn't side with Putin in key NATO issues).
I really wish Turkey will be such an EU member one day, when the Islamist, authorian, neo-ottoman regime of Erdogan will be merely a bad memory.
Personally I think of Aegean and thracian Turks as similar to Greeks and balkans, mesopotamian and Eastern Anatolian Turks as similar to Syrians, Iraqis, iranians. It's a diverse country. Anyways i heard the new generation of Turks is against islamism and turning away from religion in general, which is a positive thing in my view
I'm a British guy who lived in Turkey for three years. There are areas of the country that feel distinctly European, I lived in Antalya and the surrounding area could easily be mistaken for Spain or Portugal. Alternatively, the East and centre of the country feels unquestionably Middle Eastern. I lived in Sakarya also, which is just a 2h drive inland from Istanbul, but seemed completely Middle-Eastern to me.
Then you have the villagers/nomads scattered around Anatolia who are almost central Asian than West Asian
It's easy to say that as a Brit. For you, Turkey means holidays, palm trees, and kebabs. For a Romanian, Greek, Bulgarian, Serb, Armenia, or Kurd Turkey is a genocidal state, a sad accident of history.
@@in5minutes556 hmmm, I think anyone can recognise that Turkey feels both European and Middle Eastern, regardless of their country’s history 🤔😂
@@in5minutes556 as if those nations never committed any crimes against their minorities lol
@@rossellinirossicalrossc3507 yes, the Malvinas belong to Argentina, Belfast is an Irish city, Scotland should be free and London should be independent from England
1:25 just to correct your map there, "Hatay" province was not included in Turkey’s borders when the Turkish Republic was founded in 1923 but rather under the French mandate, only until when the local population held a referendum and voted in favor to join back to Turkey in 1939
Turkey is Eurasian, has a mixed culture of both regions like its geography.
Probably would be more descriptive to call them Euro-Middle Eastern
@@Andre-by4su Balkan-Middle Eastern would me more accurate, or just Near East
90% of the land is in Asia
@@burakonderuslu679 Turkey has same Islamist cultural mentality as Middle East.
@@farzana6676just no! we dont behave like wild apes when we see a woman without a burka, or we dont blow ourself up. The religion is the same but the culture is much different.
Well politically after the Peace Treaty of Paris (1856) Turkey (Ottoman Empire) was recognized as a European country by all other European nations. So since west is a political term we can say Turkey is western. The question of its culture or insides are something else tho
At 8:54 the subtitles mismatch with what was told. It's not that Turkey supports the "unrecognized government" in Libya, but the "U.N. recognized". Huge difference xd
TF is "western" or "eastern" ? We are Turkish, and those utterings dont make much sense here.
Exactly
Let Turkey be Turkey. Turkey is a unique country which shares borders with Europe, Middle East and Caucusus. As a Balkan Turk I believe that we can establish great relations with both western and eastern countries (especially west) and convert our country into a fully democratic nation. Geographically, Turkey can be named as a county in Eurasia.
Exactly! Why are some people trying to put Turkey into a specific geographical category anyways?
No such thing as a Balkan Turk only a Balkan Convert to Islam, influenced or forced by Turks.
@@rogerdodger8813 simply wrong. orhan bey started a policy known as iskan. rumelia (the balkans) was to go through islamization and turkification to better be integrated into the empire. in accordance with the iskan policy, infrastructure projects, hospital, mosques and the like were built in islamic fashion and architecture, in an attempt to safeguard these regions as core parts of the empire and further conquests. a part of this policy did include converting already balkan populations to islam (which is why there are a lot of muslims currently in the balkans, especially in bosnia and albania), but there were also many anatolian turks that were forcibly relocated into the balkans. these turks were banned from going back to anatolia and were forced to live in the balkans. centuries later, they were driven out by the newly independent balkan nations back to anatolia, with many of them being killed or dying in the harsh winters while trying to get back to anatolia. people who are referred to as "balkan turks" are either the small minority that managed to stay in the balkans or turks living in modern day anatolia but have ancestry from the turks who used to live in the balkans
Turkey used to be a decently healthy democracy but since years it's on a facistoid path towards authoritarianism, theocratic elements, nationalism and imperialism. How can you change that?
@@IsomerSoma Our GDP was high, buying power was even higher. The person who is our “president” right now did not even finished the university and he is controlling the economy of a G20 country. He acquired billions of dollars by nepotism and controlled the stock market to make more money. They also stashed most of our countries GDP to real estate sector. Most of the Turkish intellectuals were forced to leave Turkey because of the acquisitions. The legislation is now on their side as well. They threw journalists and people who exploited the corrupt government officials. Some of them disappeared and suppressed. I can write 1000 novels with the things they done in 21 years.
Looking from the West, it is Eastern, looking from the East, it is Western. Actually neither Eastern nor Western completely, but it is a blend of both, which brings its beauty.
Turkey is quickly turning into a radical Islamist regime...
Beauty that comes with its price
Eurasian or Middle Eastern is the proper termfor these guys.
@@kevingutierrez9273 not middle eastern.
it's western asia.
we turks are asians and we proud that.
that's the proper termfor.
@@kevingutierrez9273 Eurasian would be the best term for it since "The Middle East" includes widely different cultures. Majority of us do not refuse the Islamic identity but that doesn't make us the same as Yemen or did not enough to put us in the same category with them. We are Eurasians and most importantly, we are Turks, and maybe referencing a really specific culture like ours could only be solved by mentioning its ethnicity (just like Russia).
But if Georgia is European so is Turkey, problem is Turkey is Muslim majority while Europe is Christian majority. One major factor to this topic
Georgia and Turkey are both transcontinental Eurasian countries with the vast majority of their respective territories in West Asia.
Yes, I agree with this. If Georgia, Armenia and Cyprus are European, then by sheer logic so is Turkey (and Azerbaijan).
Only some top notch mental gymnastics have to be played to consider Georgia or Armenia to be European but not Turkey or Azerbaijan.
Turkey is in such a unique position (the only country in such a dilemma) that they can't be solely categorized to the East or West. They are both.
Russia also is in the such position
@@PskovCybercat Russia is in Asia and Europe, yes, but I have never seen an ethnic Russian regard themselves as Eastern. But when it comes to Turks, answers always differ. Some say they are just Western. Some say they are just Eastern. Some say they are both. Not talking about geography, but culture, identity, etc. It is a situation seen in no other country.
@@a.3375 as culture, identity they are definitely eastern without doubt
@@selimsahkulu78 not really, western parts of turkey more leaning balkans as culture/lifestyle etc while rest is more leaning to middle east except east black east sea region that is mostly similar caucacus
@@a.3375 Turks are Anatolian. and they show eastern roman reflexes
Very surprised to see you guys were Dutch as well, love from another Dutch creator
I'm actually French, but I've been living in the Netherlands for a while :)
@@IntoEurope I will say this Colonialism has not ended..... it evolved. let me explain. before colonialism " ends " the west chose the leaders of countries to keep their interest in regions take france for example.
( good job TH-cam censoring the site where france still steals from Africa ).
and take me for example. i am from the middle east and here our " dictators" have been chosen by the west not by us and here they uneducate people Historically , economically and religiously because that's what sustain their rule and my country is rich ,but money is nothing for me and for us muslims in general and here we eat we drink and we sleep ( not me i always study and seek knowledge in all fronts as best as i can and am a civil engineer ) even the cattle eat drinks and sleeps. here courrption is too obvious and we muslims are in phase one and that's " Realization " to be fully aware from politics to history to religion. and every time a Muslim nation rises the west is unsatisfied and want to overthrow the government. Gaddafi,mursi,Yemeni leader Salah , King faisal in the 70s ( he got assassinated) ....etc way a lot i can't go over them all.
HOWEVER, before the Arab spring this i admit was not clear to all of us ,but after the Arab spring EVERYTHING WAS CLEAR. we now came to realize misery is built by the happiness of others and our leaders and boarders were chosen and drawn by the west and we must amd will over throw our governments and stop the western intervention in our lands. sorry forgot ( the western people have nothing to do with their governments in fact we are all slaves to this corrupted system we live under " capitalism " or communism both you use " banks" made you know by who i don't have to explain).
now about "slavery has evolved" and this time it favors no race only one in fact 👃 and it favors mostly the dollar. we are born to serve and sustain the system and the system milks the life out of us and we gain " invaluable paper money " in return and sometimes we get in debt which is literally an invisible chain in the neck. basically we are living inside bank and the bank choses who succeed and who doesn't and the bank plays with economy and who built it? "the red shield" known as the rothschilds.
our muslim lands are the battlefield of the super powers and when you say next time why refugees are in Europe ask yourself what caused them to be there? that's the correct question.
Russia is causing the refugee crisis in Europe by bombing the Syrians and helping Assad to kill his people and the refugees are a toy to send them to Turkey and Europe to weaken their economy and make the left wing fight right wing start wars. Russia has an agenda and don't get wrong Russia, china and America/western Europe are fighting for their agenda to who rules who. all of them are trash.
now i want to put it in conclusion. " REALIZATION LEADS TO REVALUATION AND REVELATION LEADS TO REVOLUTION " SOMETIMES IT LEADS TO A VERY DIFFERENT R AND THAT'S RADICALIZATION AND THAT HAPPENS WITHOUT BACKBONE. that's why people go far left or far right. because they are weak in character and btw left wing right wing is a toy for the system no matter who wins the system decides everything not the people nor the government.
We muslims are in phase one ,but obviously Turkish people has finished phase three. and we look forward to unite with our Muslim brothers and sisters and no islam is not an Arab please don't let me write about it and Arab is not an ethnicity it's a language.
the world is Suffering from western imperialism ( not the people unlike you we understand) most people walk with where the wind pushes them am not like that i hope you understand now.
read degenerate western
@@IntoEurope The UN is highly western based and most of world countries from Asia to Africa to eastern Europe to south America refuse LGBTQ refuse feminism refuses the banking system refuses the modern slavery ( salve wage ) refuses western subjective vales ,but yet they push it on all of us. using utilitarianism then the west shouldn't be pushing their values on the majority and the majority can take down the west. that's why in political science there's a famous quote " the liberal global order is neither liberal nor global " ( meaning only western based and other countries don't anticipate on it or they will be sanctioned and fought by the west ). also, this is by definition slavery because they tell us what to do and if we refuse, they punish us , starve us or kill us and we have to follow them when they are the minority. so utilitarianism doesn't work and they are enslaving us.
what am trying to say is this system is belt on hypocrisy and when Objective moral people start to realize than they will take action and subjectisim will have no answer when the objective moral people start action and they can't say it's " good or bad ".
even if objective moral people did wrong the subjective people can't prove it's wrong since it's all subjective.
even so atheist can't prove what's good or bad in all topics other than morality. for example, an atheist says to someone you are Bac-kward and that someone says is being Back- ward good or bad ? here they can't really answer. they can't prove being whatever is good or bad. and so on and so on.
what am literally saying now will change the world perception and the moral people will take action. it's inevitable.
one thing else if they don't have the concept of good or bad of any subject other than morality that means it has no value ( worthless ).
for example, asking an atheist is science good or bad ? if he/she did reply with good and bad they can't prove it therefore, it's subjective and has no value at all since they don't have the concept of Good and bad.
therefore, all their " facts" ( which are hypothesis not facts ) are worthless if it has no value ( good and bad ).
they can't detect which is fact and not if they don't hold on any value and even if they did they can't prove it since it's subjective.
We live in a world that ran by subjective people who can't prove their value or the value of anything and can't prove even their subjectivsim and it's value! Yet they have the audacity to tell us what's good or bad and what's valuable and not and what's true and not.
also brain is nothing but an organ according to their world view which means they cannot base anything on it and it's all chemical reactions which delude itself on having meaning when there's non which means all their claims as their existence worthless meaningless and untrue. which means they argue for nothing.....
@@IntoEurope now about Democracy it gives the rights to everyone specially the degenerated and rights for lobbyists who play on the country's affairs in and out and rights for people with bad intentions to reach powerful positions and divide the country in left and right and make the country stand for nothing and destroys the identity of the people ( civilization ) sound fimilar?
Historically speaking all countries and civilizations stood for something and if you tolerate everything than you stand for nothing. in order for a civilization to stand against hardship and all waves they need to stand for something and democracy and secularism doesn't offer this in fact both are hypocritical systems and subjective. Democracy is Hypocrisy as i explained why above. in nowhere that secularism is " good ".
1:10 lol dude Ottoman Empire was much bigger 😂
On paper.
In practice it wasn’t much bigger then that.
@@sulimanthemagnificent4893 Bruh Ottoman have half of hungary and all of wallachia. Its much bigger than that.
@@koktengri8724 It wasn’t, Half the size of Rome? No, bigger but not “that” big.
@@sulimanthemagnificent4893 "kağıt üzerinde"
iki saattir ona gülüyoruz iş yerindeki arkadaşlarla.
iskender diye birinin "bilinen dünyayı" ele geçirdiğini falan da düşünürsün sen şimdi.
ha ha ha adam basbaya kağıt üzerinde dedi lan ha ha ha.
The US is weird. They rejected selling arms and weapon systems to Turkiye, and then Turkiye had to buy them from Russia (which was not the best option, but the only option, I think). Then The US was angry at Turkey for purchasing a system from another country that they did not want to sell in the first place.
Turkey has been actively using those weapons to do a lot of shit to put it lightly
Maybe read why they did it.
Also one of the reasons is that Turkey has distanced itself in many points, the tension with Greece is getting bigger, practically all in the EU/Usa see Turkey as the main aggressor.
Greece would not like that if Turkey gets more fighter jets against them.
The whole thing is a balancing act, like almost everything in geopolitics.
Then the Turkish campaign in Europe was extremely unpopular, the refugees & border dispute with Greece, which many felt as if Turkey was already the enemy.
France, Greece and others wanted at that time EU sanctions against Turkey, but it was blocked to a large extent by Germany.
Then later the cuddling with Putin/Russia, the distrust continues to rise.
In Germany, one now worries more and more about the Turkish imams, where some have engaged in espionage & give Erdogan more influence in Germany, partly represent values that we reject, are too extreme.
The highlight is now the NATO blockade for Finland/Sweden, although this is so important for the security of the Ballstic States & strengthening of NATO.
Here times a comment on what to this I copy:
This is not necessary, Turkey gets some offers, but not e.g. the demanded resumption of the Eu accession procedure, which Erdogan demanded shortly after the beginning of the war.
Maybe something to help the broken Turkish economy.
Should there be no results, Usa, France, Great Britain, Germany etc. will simply conclude normal security treaties with them.
The important thing is not that they join NATO, but that they have given up their alliance neutrality.
They will now cooperate even more closely with the NATO states.
Turkey only isolates itself further in NATO & the next time they want something, the others won't listen.
Sweden, Finland and others will vote against Turkey at every misstep of Turkey, vote against Turkey in the UN and other votes.
In Eu questions use their veto etc.
Turkey is only in NATO because it is strategically so well located, for access to the Black Sea, Mediterranean, some Suez Canal.
And just as a base for missions in the Middle East, which are becoming more and more unimportant for the U.S. anyway.
And otherwise because Turkey would immediately run to Russia, China in case of a withdrawal.
@@Janoip jong un, what do you think about nuking turkey? Tell the US beforehand that you only want to nuke turkey
@@Janoip with this current Russian invasion in Ukraine, Turkey's position has gained more importance in regard to geostrategy. I can say that you described the EU as pure as the driven snow yet they're not. the EU has been implementing hypocritical policies for a long time.
1:19 It's not a genocide, it's a forced deportation from Anatolia. If we had done ethnic cleansing, we would have done it to Albanians, Gypsies, Kurds, Zazas and Circassians.
Like what happened to so called _Palestinians_
@@jirachi-wishmaker9242 I don't quite understand what you mean
Forced deportations without food or water into a desert, or worse still an ocean qualifies as a genocide.
And you know what, I can’t even say anything, since Enver Paşa once said something to the effect of “Don’t blame my subordinates for what’s happening, blame me”.
Doesn’t excuse it, but at least I can respect the clarity, also means not everyone *wanted* to commit mass murder.
@@sulimanthemagnificent4893 This is a complete lie Armenians France America Latin America Europe. and from the Middle East he went to Lebanon. and Enver Pasha did not say such a thing
Armenians are Asians.
The turkey is like its most significant city of Istanbul, the bridge between the west and the ease both asian and european
Constantinople is truly a gem!
@DarkXlord it's CONSTANTINOPLE whether you like it or not.
@DarkXlord wont make anyone respect anything. That's on them. Plus I didn't bring the religion thing in the talk. You are assuming things.
Go do a military drill. You will need it " bro"
@@080ization What are you, 15? 😂😂
@@precursors you seem a bit confused. 🤡🇹🇷🤡
Islam and democracy don’t work together. This is turkeys current issue.
Turkey will never be western. Only a very small number of people are western in the country and the rest are religious and dont understand the modern world. It is a very complicated country to change its origins.
I do wish turkey will be nation like Europe one day but it is very unlikely when religion has a strong presence in the country and of course its just not the religion there are many other things to complicated to talk here.
When i lived there its like the us in the pre civil rights movement. There is a desire to be western and European but then there erdogan. End of story
Really civil rights you say? were the leftist want to kick out the refugees
Nice video. Maybe some pre ottoman history (roman, eastern roman\byzantine) would shine some more light on how any country in this area tends to have to operate a balancing act of interests
At 10:00 there’s a mismatch with subtitles in “the U.S.” part.
Overall, a good introductory video. I hope sometime in the future you could delve deeper into many aspects of Turkish public sentiment: values (including atomization and compliance with the state agenda) collective memory and worldview with age differences. I think it’s important because Turkey seems to share some similarities with Russia in regards to the listed criteria, the same that appear to have played a decisive role in Russia’s most recent history. Also, I think it would be useful to ponder upon Turkey possibly embracing a role of agent of chaos in increasingly disorderly world, in an attempt to become a great power in its own right, as well as its nascent and, IMO, underutilized partnership with Israel. Just some ideas floating in my inexpert mind.
P.S. I think it’s first time we see your face on a channel video? Anyway, keep showing it:)
I don’t see a future with Israel, it’s a partnership that lasted for a while but I think that Israel will be increasingly cornered by the Muslim countries including Turkey in the future. There’s only so much “partnership” that can be maintained with a state that is a colonial occupier which continues ethnic cleansing and that is opposed by much of the people that surround it.
Good video but it felt a little bit as if it just stopped in the middle. There wasn't really a conclusion or outro in the end. Just some constructive criticism. I really like your channel and your videos.
this whole region is like that. Syria and Lebanon had hundreds of years ot Italian influence, and the Christians of Syria and Lebanon copied almost everything Europeans did, then came the French mandate that accentuated the influence even more. I would argue the whole of East Mediterranean basin is a mixture of the orient and the west.
Different from them though, Turkey (the Ottomans) have always been a powerhouse and a trend setter in the region. And while all of the countries you mentioned were occupied or colonized in one way or the other, Turkey was never occupied nor colonized by the West. It was on equal terms, fighting on equal grounds. Sometimes it lost, sometimes it won, and in each instance both were heavily influenced by one another. Hence the complex relationship with the West.
@@direnius before the ottomans was even created Syrians also ruled an empire that spanned Europe, traded with Europe and allied with countries of Europe. and I'm speaking for more than 7 decades. not to mention the Greek settlements that existed in the region and got only kicked out by the ottomans. they left a huge mark. the crusaders left also a signature. in Syria and Lebanon they still have European descendants of the crusaders, even full villages. the Levant is truly a connection of East and West and the current culture of Syria and Lebanon proves it.
@Colchonero Italiano Macaroni at one point they got some sort of protection and great relations with a kingdom from Tuscany
@Colchonero Italiano Macaroni tbh I forgot because I learned it back in my school but it was during the ottoman rule. the Lebanese and the Syrians asked for Tuscany help to get rid of the ottomans, they failed but the Levant became the safest region for European merchants to trade and it became an exchange hub of culture specially with Italy. for example if you visit the Levant you'll see Italian influenced architecture, this is the Italian influence I'm talking about. and that's why traditional building here are way different than other regions like in turkey or Egypt.
@Colchonero Italiano Macaroni be advised that in history books you'll see only Syria mentioned but back then Lebanon was integral part of Syria. so technically it's Syria and Lebanon
In Turkey, there is a cultural warfare between islam and secular ideology. Last 20 years islam win (of course erdogan) this battle. There is nothing more to say.
It started before 20 years, banning of headscarf for example (even western countries never did that.)
Also Secular in what sense and Islamic in what sense. Before him, there was a ban on a rlgs practice - scarf, now have freedom to wear it or not. - that's usually considered a part of functioning secular country. In Tky and France, Seclrsm has a another meaning of Anti rlgn.
@@ij4674 Wearing headscarf not banned. It was forbidden only in government buildings. I say islamic because of for example Erdogan claims his economic policies come from Quran and he has very opposite opinon about republic and secular state.
@@ilyasemredurmus4432
Even just in govt buildings and educational institutions, that's something that don't happen in US or UK or Germany.
@@ilyasemredurmus4432
His economic policy is to cut interest rate to make exports more easier and increase industrial output, at the expense of decrease in prior std of living. He don't claim that, he claim that interest rate is unislamic, - which is an incomplete fact in that context. Also the economic system envisioned by Islam is drastically different from the current existing one.
Turkey is only Islamic in the sense that ''identity" is now openly and actively promoted by ruling class along with pan turkic identify - and rightfully so if Turkey want something bigger than it in the world stage.
Turkey was considered as a secular success model for other ME countries to emulate during his earlier period of rule. Not the anti rlgs seclrsm.
@@ij4674 Ban on islamic clothes comes from Turkey’s start. A country needed to leave religion out of government businesses for sake of creating seculat constution, law and people.
Ottoman Empire was ruled by religion rules like cutting hand of a thief etc. It’s modernization needed a revolution hence religious things were forbidden. It was necessary at the time, however you could argue if it was necessary now. On my personal point of wiev all religions are BS but if it does not harm other people in anyway it could be allowed.
But this kind of secularism accepted by all government instution because of fearing things like religious uprisings, or organizations that made coup attempt(which Erdogan was working with them until not long ago). In the end it was de-arabization.
Hagia Sophia Mosque sounds as weird as saying "Great Wall of China but not actually Chinese"
I wonder why they use the Greek name???
@@rogerdodger8813 That's a latin name.
@@IsomerSoma wrong fool Its Greek! Sophia is a Greek name
@@rogerdodger8813We own it.
Actually we are neither western nor eastern and also neither southern nor northern. We are on the land that the center of the world which tens empires existed on it like Osmanlı, Selçuklu, Bizans, Rome and other old anatolian empires.
But eventually we are the Türk which came from Asia.
Yep nobody invited us to these land. And also nobody gifted it.
We took it.
And soon u ll go back to the steppes where you belong😉
I doubt you or the the average Turk is related to the actual Asian invaders. They Turkified the native populations of Asia Minor and Modern Turkey is a mixture of all who have lived there in the past. It's sad to see that Celebrations of Turkey always start with a conquest. No other country does that! Like the British celebrating the Norman invasions and forgetting all who were there before them.
@@rogerdodger8813 You were imposed with the misinformations about us by the Türk haters.
Also we do not pay attention other nations celebrations and also their opinion regarding us. Because we know what we are. I can write lots of things regarding the Türk history but eventually your thoughts and bias will not change.
the best ?
be respectful.
@@murattarikturhan There are some strong linguistical and cultural connections to east/central asian turk ethnicities, but there's almost no genetic link (anymore). Some sure, but not very significant other than in proofing that large scale Immigration has taken place in the past. Turks are more arabic/ caucasian than genetically related to e.g. Uyghurs.
Of course as an ethnic nationalist with one foot in facistoid ideology you won't accept this but maybe i am wrong and you'll reconsider your point of view. Human history and mating over extended periods of time isn't as linear as ethnic nationalists would like to believe.
@@rogerdodger8813 "Britain" is itself an old Latin name for the land, so your argument disparaging the Norman conquest (lol) isn't exactly watertight.
This video gives Victoria 3 development diary vibes.
I would say that parts of Turkish population and territory are European and pro-Western. Others are more comfortably Middle-Eastern.
This split isn’t very good for a country if it’s half one enemy and half another enemy it will cause the country to collapse
Kurdish part is middle eastern, Kurdistan belongs to middle east. And east-"Turkey" is Kurdistan.
@@_kurdi_47 but European people never let easterners get any land without their approval so.. maybe try creating a Kurdistan in Sweden? They seem very willing.
@@OmerSadkAytac create Kurdistan in sweden? Since when did sweden stole land from Kurdistan? Thats What Turkey did.
70 % are Asian
30 % european
1:11 1683 had much more territory than it is shown on your map.
No? It never went more western than Algeria and Austria, more northern than ukrain, more eastern than Iran and more southern than Arabian peninsula
@@tunahan4418 It was a bit bigger if I remember correctly, basically all of hungary(and not modern tiny hungary)
@@Cecilia-ky3uw yeah you seem to be correct
@@tunahan4418 it was much bigger the ottomans were even bigger than Rome most maps you see are wrong
@@zzhex6780 that's not true 💀💀
Great. His next video will be on: Optimum Currency Areas (OCA), the Eurozone, spatial inequality, real exchange rate adjustment, internal devaluation, competitiveness, convergence, the impossibility trilemma, the macro-imbalances procedure (MIP), institutional barriers to mobility, and the economics of European integration. Cant wait!
You said,1915 events was a Genocide!.Why?. Because Western countries unhistorian parliaments(who even don’t know geography and history of Ottomans) decide so.No evidence,no international courts.But Turkiye opened to archieves.Also Russia has a archieves and there are some evidence about Russian army had a cooperation with Armenian militias, Gangs ( Tashnak,Hınchak etc...) During WW1, Ottomans army fought in many Fronts as Gallipoli,Arabia Deserts,Suveys Channel,Caucasus... When Turkish 3’rd army lost against to Winter conditions with -40 C’ in north east front,and thousands Ottoman soldiers died with summer uniforms.(Because they were not ready to fight in heavy winter conditions, many Ottomans soldiers came from Arabia deserts to Caucasus front) Russia invaded defenceless north east Anatolia with armenian militias gangs who used this situation as opportunist ideas.And Armenians gangs massacred to mostly Kurdish origins villages,some turkish villages in East Anatolia and they tried to cut of Ottomans logistic ways and they assaulted to Ottoman army’s back side in 1915.Also As I said Ottomans were in fronts Gallipoli, Syria,Arabia,Suveys channel ... and East and Middle Anatolia were defenceless situation against to Armenian militia and gangs.And that Armenian gangs used to force to Armenian civilians for betray to Ottomans army.Ottomans army and people beat to Armenian militias, gangs,then deported hundred thousands Armenian civilians to Syria.Unfortunatelly happened to some violence against to Armenian people during deportation.But these violations were not Ottoman State order,but it caused some Local Ottoman officers ,villagers, some of them kurdish origins Hamidiye Alays).Ottoman State judged some Ottoman officers and even executed to Ottoman governor District of Bogazlayan). In summary thousands People(TurksKurds,Armenians) suffered and died in 1915 war conditions.Then After collapsed of Ottoman Empire,France invaded south east Turkiye and Armenian militias and gangs appeared again with cooperated France army between 1918-1922 untill victory of Turkish indipendent war.
we live with 20.000.000 kurds and 15.000.000 arabs, they were 90% in southeastern of Türkiye but especially after Erdoğan bring millions of arabs immigrants now they are everywhere.. our arab lover goverment started to add arabic language for them in schools, in hospitals, everywhere and made them citizen for the elections which is must be in next year if erdoğan not open war with greece for run away from elections!! he ask them vote for him.. I dont know to where my country going.. not a good way I am afraid.. we secular turks are suffering since 20 years, erdoğan f.d up everything in our country, culture, money, economy, education.. he will go next year of I am afraid a civil war waiting for my beautiful, alone country.
Kurdish population is much more and the population of the Arabs is not more than 3 million if we do not count the refugees
@@gokceaksoy8094 yes my mistake about kurds, they are more but we do count refugees because most of them made citizen for their votes. Even they added arabic as you see everywhere, at past you could see just turkish and english now you see arabic.. do you think they put all these just for 3 millions arabs on southeastern side? Even they opened school in izmir, students and teachers are syrian or other arab nations. Hatay belediye başkanının 5 - 10 yıl içinde başkan arap olacak çünkü türk nüfusunu geçecekler demecini okudunuz mu? Hastanelerde doğum oranı günlük 2 türk bebeğe karşılık 10 arap bebeğe çıktı çocuk başına para da veriyorlar üstelik.. bunlar burada kalırsa yaklaşık kaç yıl sonra biz azınlık hale düşeriz sizce?
Alsoi, Turkey's westernization didn't start with Ataturk but with Mahmud II who made major reforms of westernization and making the Empire more European
Turkey did not have a civil war in the 1920's. It had it's independence war against other imperial occupying forces and their allies.
It should have certainly had a civil war. This is a the cleansing of any country.
Originally it was a Eastern Country, Their ancestors come from China/Mongolia/central asia but eventually living within the west turn western, still have a eastern soul.
This is so bad take, if you look at the DNA composition of the Turks, majority of them share their DNA have significant amount of Italian, Greek and Balkan elements and then central Asian, barely any Turks get Mongolian/Chinese in their DNAs. I don't know where you did the research but that is simply not true at all.
Turkey is Turkish. It’s not Arabic, nor is it European.
Turkish are an unique mix of Middle easterns and Bizantian Greeks with Turkic flavors. We are all of them but also neither of them.
Herhangi bir bölgeyi ya da kimliği bir milletle karşılaştırmayın Karşılaştırmalar böyle olmaz Dediğin absürt duruyo
You have been showing Turkey as red, whereas Europe and America as blue. Throughout the rest of the video you use the color red again to highlight Russia and China putting it into the same group as Turkey. You made clear you view Turkey as an eastern country. You just could have said so instead of making this video.
Isn't it the colour of your flag though? Just saying - sometimes the simplest explanation is the best :P
we are bridge bro, we are bridge
Turkey is both. West needs Turkey.
The caliph is not the spiritual head of Islam. That is incorrect.
When Germany the biggest EU country with the most seats in Parliament has a population of 83 million, a country of 85 million like Turkey is too much to swallow. No European country would want us get the most seats in the European Parliament. South Cyprus didn't meet the Copenhagen criteria at all. Due to Greece's blackmail to block the accession of Central and Eastern European countries, the Greek part of Cyprus was accepted as a member state despite it being unable to meet the Copenhagen requirements. It's not just a matter of meeting the EU criteria.
Turkey would never be accepted in the EU bc of it weak economy ( even Ukraine can’t join the EU for at least 15 years “if it’s economy gets better” as noted by France recently ) the French are also commuting an inquisition against its Muslim minority bc it couldn’t overcome its catholic hatred of Islam ( in short there is no such think as western values in Europe , Europeans have always had a racist village mentality , western values can only be founded in the USA 🇺🇸 ) its multicultural , tolerant , progressive , no collective punishment mentality ) finally Erdogan is central left Islamist he hasn’t imposed any Islamic law by contrast in Poland you have a Christianist right wing government that have imposed religious law in Poland that affects women rights , you also have right wing Christianist influence in the US imposing there Christian values that affects women rights such as operation , in Greece you have areas where women are banned for religious reasons these areas are larger then pairs , Erdogan welcomed all refugees regardless of religion or race by contrast in the EU Eastern European countries like Poland , Slovakia Czech Republic banned Muslim refugees , thus please don’t tell me about western values there is no western values in most European countries it’s little village values who love to lecture other nations about human rights and civility as a form of superiority .
Turkey needs to change their way of thinking. A country that always looks back to remake the empire they had in the past, IS ALWAYS Dangerous.
Turkey and Civil rights are not friends. Turkey and freedom of speech are not friends. Turkey and human rights are not friends. These are the main reason Turkey will never join EU. No EU country trust Turks. Sure economy is also part of it but nowhere near to the above.
@@Jewzi123 Well I don’t support hating anyone including Europeans this is how it feels to me as an American-Canadian. I think Europeans think that the North America-Europe alliance is against Islam. Well as a North American we are not against Islam, but we are against theocracy and dictatorship. It’s a big difference. In the Barbary Wars the USA made clear that it does not want to be considered a crusader. You are right, Turkey is probably more secular than many of these “Western” countries.
@Colchonero Italiano Macaroni Nothing will change even when we send Erdoğan away.
Turkiye is Balkan-Middle Eastern ,no-one in the western Europe or the Americas view it as western.
The Ottoman Empire never saw it self as an Islamic Empire. If anything they saw themselves as successors to the Roman and Byzantine Empire hence the Ottoman claim to Roman succession by calling themselves Kayser-i Rûm
and sunni Islam was the official religion of the Ottoman empire
That is just wrong…
@@tomAkelife-ff9tf And the emperor the caliph.
They saw it as an Islamic Empire, also the successors to the rome, both ain't mutually exclusive.
@@tomAkelife-ff9tf They can be sunni while at the same time think they are the successors of caesar
People who believe in freedom of speech and freedom of press and equal rights belong in the right place.
Belong to the wet dreamers
I didnt see Canada accepted Juliam Assange. Freedom of speech and freedom of press is western lies. You couldnt make communist publishings in cold war era in western democracies))) Every country has own national security conceptions and freedom of speech is based on that conception.
Wowow just realized you and money and makro have the same background!
Most Turks do not like the Western way of life and European culture
Okay so my opinion as a European guy is Turkey will still Asian country in our eyes as Europeans that's it ? (From Germany)
i think you should also mention Turkeys position as an industrial supplier for eu with the recent supply crisis with china and logistics issues. Turkey relies on western markets but how easy it is for western markets to give up on an industrial powerhose in their backyard?
Industrial powerhouse with a GDP smaller than that of 8.6 million population of Switzerland alone…
Europe has many backyards
@@IhaveBigFeet Everybody who is interested in history knows, that only reason why Switzerlands has a high GDP is because it was paid with the marshall plan Dollars and literal nazi gold, so no this comparison is kinda stupid
@@IhaveBigFeet The thing is only Poland and Turkey is capable of replacing China in terms of a industrial supplier role to EU.
Turkey has a bit of an uphand to Poland due to reasons of:
1. Turkey already has a developed and ready to work highly diversified industrial complex thus does not require much investments
2. Unfortunately, Turkish workforce is almost free in terms of Euro.
@@IhaveBigFeetare you sure? We recently reached to a trillion and Switzerland is probably around 700 billion
''ethnic cleansing'' bruh
There is no such thing as the Armenian Genocide. This is all about the perception operation of the Armenian-backed media.
Turks will always be Westernised Asians in my eyes. I'm Filipino of Spanish descent as many Filipinos are but we are still Asian despite being Westernised.
You're not ethnically mixed like the Turks. Ottoman Empire spanned on 3 continents. It has subjects from Bosnia to Saudi Arabia. Turkey inherited this multi-ethnicity and cultural diversity when the Ottoman Empire collapsed. But if you speak about the origin of the Turks, you are right. Their ancestral land is the central asian steppes
I'm also a Filipino with 1/16 Spanish Roots and I agree with this XD.
Turks are genetically European.
I'm a turk and also feels like that. I'm an asian with the mix culture of asian and european.
@@mustafahakim1298 Genetically European? Are you that ignorant of your history?
Maybe culturally European for the city dwellers but genetically speaking, Turks possess Arabic, European & Central Asian roots thanks to the Ottoman Empire spanning from Southeastern Europe to North Africa.
Seriously, please get your facts straight.
Whether you like it or not, a vast majority of the EU boys will never accept you as European. No matter how much reasoning you give, it will never remove the simple fact that your language is Central Asian and your general cultural traits is Middle Eastern. So move on and deal with that unfortunate reality.
Crazy dreams of reviving the ottoman Empire good luck with that 😂
Every time someone try to revive an dead old legacy, 100% of the time end up failing, even more quickly if it has to fight against people that want to build a new future.
Hmm, maybe I have a bad hearing but I thought the rulers of Ottoman Empire were the sultan but the sultan of Ottoman Empire claimed the title of Caliph, meaning domestically the governing person of Ottoman Empire were Sultan since Caliph is more of a religious title.
What do you mean by "unreliable"? What Reliability? This is just damn propaganda and is anti-Turkish!
perhaps a reference to turkey sending drones to ukraine military and closing the black sea straits to Russian vessels but not sanctioning Russia and having purchased military equipment from Russia
@@tomAkelife-ff9tf Closing black sea to an empire is shooting in the foot!
Europe ends in Constantinopel.
The whole rest of Asia minor has always been a gate and battleground from forces driving out of Europe and the fertile crescent.
Turkey is Asiatic.
It's clear that Anatolian culture is more Middle Eastern than European
We have a distinct Turkic culture, laced with Anatolian culture. We are neither "european" nor "middle eastern". We are Turkic, and "eurasian". "Asian" would be fine also. But never european and never middle eastern. Stop shoving your ill fitting terms upon us.
I think Turkey is broadly western, as is eastern Europe. However, those are ambiguous regions that have historically not been fully in or out of the western umbrella. I'd also include Latin America in that. Certainly a part of why we question Turkish western credentials is because the core power centers of the west lie on northern European countries and the US, and Turkey would probably be not seen as that distant from the west if instead southern Europe was the hegemonic region in the EU.
If Southern Europe was the hegemonic power of the EU, Greece would probably still be the Byzantine Empire, making the entire ‘Turkey=European’ discussion irrelevant… :P
On a different note, Latin America is the opposite of Turkey - culturally European and politically outside the West.
If Latin America becomes developed, that might change- while the situation in Turkey is harder to change due to cultural and religious factors.
@@innosam123 Lol, only argentina southern european culturally and genetically, other south american countries are mostly native american by genetics
@@e.v3832 Fredinno said culturally european, not genetically european. The all speak Spanish with the exception of Portuguese in Brazil ofc , are catholic christians and their society is organized in the same fashion as european - american society, albeit with local flavor ofc. It's a region with distinct history and cultural composition but same is the Balkan countries, post-soviet central and eastern european countries, nordic countries, greece, english, germans, french, the iberian countries. We don't all have identical cultures but are much more alligned with each other than with the middle east-arab world, subsaharan african, turkic central asia or the far east.
@@sarantis1995 I have been both southern europe and northern america,(in there I met many south americans) ,anyway due to religion and immigration they have some similarities with southern europe but still they are way different and they have own distinct culture, way of life etc, so in reality no one in southern europe real consider south americans as their brother etc , except argentinians and some brazillians they don't have look european either and that's why they face racism in U.S, so in conclusion they are not western but kinda hybrid within native domination
In fact, what separates Turkey from the West is not its geographical location, but its religion. If they were Christian, I'm sure everyone would see them as part of Europe.
We are middlers
Let's see. Turkey is ultra nationalistic, islamic, has a past rooted in Mongolia (Han and Kan are titles used by Mongol Leaders and Turkish Sultans) their music is oriental, the harem culture also came from ancient China and then it passed on to Turks and Arabs, Persians etc. Also, 97% of modern Turkey is located in Asia. Only 3% is situated on European soil. Erdogan playing with both NATO, Russia and Iran at the same time, is part of the Oriental culture. Turkish people were nomads of Asia and entered what is known as modern Turkey, less than 1000 years ago. Also, Turkish culture is imperialistic in nature, glorifying conquest and theft: For example they are proud of conquering a church like Ayia Sofia and turning it into a mosque. To understand this, imagine being French, conquering Egypt, turning the Pyramids into Cathedrals and then brag about conquering the area and turning pyramids into churches. Their mentality is totally barbaric. Not to mention the genocides against Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks, etc. So, no, Turkey is definitely not Western. I have been there and felt like an alien world, far from Europe. I forgot to mention the language, which is totally Asian... Just like the Gypsies came originally from India and never became Europeans, Turks came from the Far East and never became Europeans. I could go on and on, of course...
"Turkey isn't Western, look at all the Western things they did!"
We refuse the term "european". We are "Eurasian". "Asian" is fine also. But never "european". Thanks for pointing this out. You are one of these few sensible westoids.
@@siyacer dudes is representation of an average greek, what do you expect
As a Turkish Person I define myself as Eurasian for a short answer when my foreign friends wonders and asks questions like "where do you feel belong to?"etc...
I find the premise of the this video to be strange. Why do we need to box Turkey into a definition based on contrasts (east vs west)? Even "The West" is not uniform in ideals, culture, governance, values, etc. Why should we expect Turkey, arguably the most diverse country in human history, to be beholden to such lines? Especially when, lets be honest, Europeans don't really want Turkey close to them. They want a buffer to keep out the Syrians and Afghans. If Turkey was "completely" west (European Union would be the practical definition in this case), Europeans wouldn't get to be covert racists why complaining about Turkish democracy.
I feel Turkish. Not asian or european, only Turkish.
Turkish people are asians.
The Turks are Mongols from the middle of Asia and the Europeans know this so they will not allow you to become part of the union
European so do not pretend to be European because this is really pathetic. You Asian accept the truth of the matter
Turkey is as european a country as russia is an asian country. I.E not really at all in any way.
At 9:42, you give a projection of the lira and mention the diminishing purchasing power. But did you know that other upcoming economies like South Africa, Brazil, Argentina etc. were and are still facing the same problem? Because it is a deliberate form of financial policy dominated by the West to weaken these upcoming nations that are threatening their dominant positions in the financial world. It's not just Turkey that's suffering from this.
Ahhh yes the global consipracy 'to weaken upcoming nations', I've heard this one. Could it simply be that the current financial system was built by the US (and to a lesser extent Europe) to benefit them and not Turkey or other developing countries?
(shocker countries are self-interested :O)
1:15 You cannot gain anything by trying to rewrite the history. You cannot treat Turkey like Germany, because Turks are not a genocidal nation like Germans. You have to understand the culture of the Ottoman empire, how misbehaving communities were often forcefully moved, just like the Armenians in the east who had an armed rebellion against Turks and allied with Russian invaders. You cannot call this a genocide or ethnic cleansing from your Western European perspective, as Western Europeans got involved a lot in such actions. You may listen to Bernard Lewis on this. I have disliked this video and flagged it for hate and abuse.
First of all, the central bank needs to be free. Instead of doing what Erdogan wants, he should be under the control of competent people and do what is necessary.
Secondly, as you mentioned, the government, which said that the investment in TL in order to attract foreign investors, if the dollar gains value, we will pay the difference, said that it will pay it from the treasury, that is, from the taxes of the people, this is wrong.
Thirdly, it is necessary to produce
In my country, that is, in Turkey, the taxes were buried in the road, the garden and the ridiculous buildings over time, not the production factories. For example, there are 47,572 schools in 81 provinces (high school, secondary school and primary school) and there are 205 universities in 81 provinces, which also causes a decline in education.
If you want to produce something in my country, you generally import the raw material, so there is an import-based production here.
And the corruption of the people, don't let other people misunderstand, but we have a term called Arabization and people are getting arab more and more because of political Islam, people are no longer able to walk safely on the street, women can't wear what they want, men are afraid of meeting a woman they want to meet, it's a very bad situation. I'm a Turkish young man. and there are millions of adults and young people who think like me. Turks are not bad people, please don't recognize Turkey as bad. In a democratic and independent country, the ministries must be independent and do what is necessary. As you mentioned in the video, they take loyal and trusted people, not competent people. The country is officially ruled by a monarchy, even though it seems democratic. Some people are afraid of writing these articles that I wrote, and I think I am a little afraid that people who write such articles can be jailed. I hope I have summarized well.I wish you a good day, good life.
-Another thing I would like to add as a regulation is the cases of incompetence and theft. By stealing I mean not the people's doing it, but the statesmen's clandestine irregularities. There are a lot of statesmen in this way. There are people who open a region for zoning and finish that construction in 5 or 6 years and earn millions of liras over it. (Of course, even if the public does this, the sentence I said at the beginning is a crime should not be misunderstood).
Many of the executive names, such as those working in the government, can use Islam to steal and immorality they want, and hide behind it. Islam is not such a religion, it is just exploited and used. For example, in the past, a businessman and a candidate for parliament used Islam to make anti-LGBT statements, and recently a sex video with 2 men was exposed. I am a Turkish youth who adheres to the principles and reforms of Atatürk.
---There is one more thing I forgot, asylum seekers, and asylum seekers turn the economy upside down. It is an extremely important issue that needs to be resolved urgently, it is not a matter of being a citizen to be a refugee, it is that we provide security for them for a certain period of time. It has been 6 or 7 years. Most citizens are now afraid of asylum seekers and think of it as a silent occupation (I think the same way). 100 years ago, we shed the blood of citizens on every inch of this country's land, defend it by fighting, there is a martyr's blood in every inch of it. This kind of silent occupation is a problem that needs to be solved urgently.
As a Greek I say Turkey is just in between east and west and that’s what makes it special
The fact of the matter is that no Turk, not one of them, will consider themselves Asian or Middle Eastern. Most will consider themselves different altogether, being part of Anatolia. Most will consider themselves European. But almost all will consider themselves neither western nor eastern. We don't use those terms to describe people.
As I have personally experienced the country, regarding the culture rather than the periodic politics, it’s Western on the east and south coasts as well as certain big cities, and Eastern in the hinterland.
There isn’t a “west” to begin with 💀
Pretty bad subtitle mismatch at 8:22: Should be 'UN recognized government', not 'unrecognized'.
Honestly, the video seems to have a bit Eurocentric point of view with biases and misinformations (e.g. relgious authority has always been appointed by the govt. even during the Ottoman times thus under the state control) and the also the video focusing too much on politics that change based on the goverment of the time, rather than giving cues about the culture, people and the structure of the country. Maybe, next time it'd be better to speak with some more experts, preferably non-Turkish, but expert on the country.
Turkey is an in-between. A link between the West and the West Asia. It's always been strategically important and this is why the West wants the country as part of the Western sphere. The problem has been that in recent years, Turkey has moved away from the Western economic/political system and has begun to pursue it's own interests. I would not class Turkey as a true ally for this reason. They're unpredictable
good for turks and bad for you I love this sentence :)) thats why I vote erdoğan
Nobody can be true allies. Country's only do things that will benefit to them. Some can think things on the long run some just want to save themselves on the short term. The reason why Turkey got away from west was because western countries started to push us away. Thats why Erdoğan got close to Arabs. Was it a good move? Arguable but the reason isnt becuase we are unpredictable or volatile.
@@xxxxxx-rg6qr I don't see how this is good for the turks either. As stated in the video much of the turkish economy relies on the EU. Russia and especially china are not reliable trading partners. They will stab you in the back if you step out of line, just check how other countries involved in the belt and road initiative are doing.
@@-Pepsimayn- nut you want a lapdog sorry but freedom more important for us :)
@@xxxxxx-rg6qr What freedoms are we talking about? Freedom of speech? Freedom of religion? Free and fair elections? Rule of law? Good luck trying to have any of those with the Chinese.
The same would be said about my country algeria
And the maghreb region such as morocco, tunisia, libya and egypt
And also kurdistan and israel and armenia
Are they western or eastern?
Ok, but then I have another question: what about the other states on the Balkans? I mean the Christian ones like Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia that are fully in Europe and share some form of European culture. Are they western in westerners' point of view?
Turkey is neither European nor part of the West. And, more and more, it seems like they will never be.
Yeah, I wish they democratized and stopped their shenanigans against the EU with their occupation of Cyprus and their threats towards Greece.
Let’s hope that the next generation of Turks will manage to fix the problems that are making the country suffer.
@@Niko-hj7yq
Occupation would have never happened if Turkish cypriots were treated well.
@@Niko-hj7yq western hyprocsy are enemy of turks we turks will never be europe or europe stay from us
yes because we were always roman
@@Niko-hj7yq When Germany the biggest EU country with the most seats in Parliament has a population of 83 million, a country of 85 million like Turkey is too much to swallow. No European country would want us get the most seats in the European Parliament. South Cyprus didn't meet the Copenhagen criteria at all. Due to Greece's blackmail to block the accession of Central and Eastern European countries, the Greek part of Cyprus was accepted as a member state despite it being unable to meet the Copenhagen requirements. You're not the brightest if you think that this is just a matter of meeting the EU criteria.
I’d like to know more about Turkey’s relationship to the east (I just watched a video from Caspian Report and would love to know more).
Like will the rail corridor across turkey connect china’s belt and rail to the European core rail network?
0:06 That's Ayia Sofia (''Holy Wisdom'' in Greek - Aγία Σοφία) and it was built as an Orthodox Christian Church in the Eastern Roman Empire. It's not a Turkish building, the opposite, it was sacked by the Ottomans, destroyed religious artefacts inside and turned it into a mosque. And that's just the 0,5% of the anti secular/western things Turkey has done.
To be fair they never said that the building itself was turkish. I mean fucking everyone knows that the Hagia Sophia was built by the Byzantines. I feel it's just showing one of the most famous places of worship today in turkey. Although i guess i understand that it might give off the impression that the church was made by the turks, perhaps they could have shown some other mosque or something idk.
Nobody cares
Christianity, just like Islam and Judaism, is an Eastern element, as in originated Middle East.
@@user-fy6kr7yr9c Yep, that's exactly what I thought as well. For some reason in the video they called it ''Haga Sophia'', ''HAGA''? WTH is Haga?!? 😂 That along with showing it at the beginning as something with turkish roots make me assume that they didn't dig deeper, in the Byzantine times etc. And for someone who doesn't really know history it isn't really hard for them to assume that is a turkish creation, besides, it's the jewel of Instabul and it's promoted as such. One look at it and people immediately think ''yep, Turkey'' 🤷♂️
Greeks should be thankful that we keep their heritage but your behaving like whiny little children
In geopolitics, Turkey is more like a European country. But in history and geography, it is Asian. Well, that's according to our history class. I dunno if there's other perspective to that.
Made a dna check for fun, i was 7% asian. 11% Poland reagion (like wtf) Hahahahah. LOL. Yet inside i am the most Turkish person you will know. Westrn - Eastrn those things are magazine for us, any Turk could't care less honestly.
Russia reads Turkey better than west. So Pathetic.
Even if things were different for Turkey with respect to democracy and human rights,i don't think Turkey would still be regarded as a western country.Being west comes from birth and a country that was a rival to the west back in history cannot entitle it. Japan which is an equal to the west in terms of every aspects of modern values is a great example of that.
West goes on an ideological crusade for values, but hey Poland and Hungary are "problematic countries". Pretty rich description.
Context is everything, and everything can be made to sound bad out of context. They are 'problematic countries' in terms of the rule of law, and in the sense that if they tried to apply for the EU today with their current political systems, they would be refused until they implemented reforms. The same goes for Turkey.
Cheers,
Hugo
@@IntoEurope They joined a completely different EU, ideology-wise and felt well in it for over a decade, even hearing to be quiet many times.
The rule of law turned out to be a pretext. Have You seen the milestones presented to Warsaw and the recent requirement to allow judges to rule on other judges status? Accepting those postulates equals a failed state and then a protectorate status with no decision making. No surprise Warsaw has declared it will be less accomodating of Brussels demands.
Try understanding the CEE disillusioned with the EU sometimes.
Yes and no, for the sake of precision, lets split Hungary and Poland's situations shall we? They are not comparable since Poland's issue is legal in nature and Hungary is legal on top of corruption and patronage politics.
While I acknowledge the EU has changed (it has done so with the assent of Hungary and Poland), the rules that those two countries are bending/breaking (call it whatever you want) are the very criteria (Copenhague Criteria) they had to apply themselves to join. Whether the EU should have allowed for punitive measures from the get-go on those infringing those criteria is a pointless what-if question is. But it is now trying to do so retroactively and with reluctance by the other member states who are also worried about giving up sovereignty. This does not per-say have to do with ideology directly imo, but then you are entitled to your own opinion on this matter.
What I think you fail to acknowledge is the ideology of those two countries has itself shifted in the past decade and now have national populist governements with no respect for the pluralism they signed up for when they joined the EU.
Additionally, the postulate you argue the EU is trying to impose is simply the seperation of powers in that is prescribed in every democracy. It is not a criteria for a failed state nor is it equal to vassalage. The alternative to judges ruling over judges is politically appointed judges (as is the case now in Poland) which is exactly what leads to state capture by a single political party like what we've seen in Hungary. This is not democracy, it is majoritarianism.
I am under no disillusion on the nature of the EU as an imperfect institution, and a western-centric one at that which tends to ignore the unique history of Eastern and Central Europe (something I am also too often guilty of). This should however not prevent us from calling an authoritarian government authoritarian.
Cheers,
Hugo
@@IntoEurope Warsaw's proposal modelled after German and French solutions of the power separation have been rejected with openly denigrating comment that those countries have a higher degree of legal culture, hence their mechanisms cannot be copied.
"National populism" is an empty slur for a conservatism that isn't cuckservatism, it's devoid of any other meaning.
"Authoritarianism"? When Western countries operate for months under state of emergency to quell domestic protests, as in France, that's enlightened democracy. When no such thing happens in Warsaw, that's still "authoritarianism". What is that authoritarian exactly about Warsaw govt?
The alternative over judges ruling whether other judges, their equals or even superiors is not anarchy, but a nomination process. Just as judges, in the end are nominated in France and Germany. They're not a self-electing body under no external control as they used to be in Poland. Judges ruling over validity of other judges' nomination outside of any framework, ad hoc, is judicial anarchy, not a rule of law. If that happened in Paris, the judge trying to do so would be imprisoned within days and rightly so.
Again, have You looked at the milestones? They have very little to do with the Copenhague Criteria, but include curious items such as changes to the Parliament internal rules.
You mean these milestones? --> ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_3375
If this is the list you are refering to, then it is only about judicial reform, if it isn't feel free to share the list you are refering to. (Also Copenhague Criteria is about rule of law which includes how your political system operates which checks and balances, which also includes the legislative branch, but hey just a minor detail).
The point about the French and German systems is that you would be taking a piece of them without the rest of the system. That is exactly what Hungary has done, taking piecemeal legislation from different democratic countries to create an authoritarian whole. That is exactly what Poland is even doing, taking elements of the French system to build its own authoritarian model. Read opinion here; verfassungsblog.de/french-law-is-not-a-model-for-the-polish-bill-on-disciplining-judges/ What you are saying is a false equivalency. (but hey I'm not a legal expert, so what do I know)
On French protests, you say the state of emergency was used to quell protests is ridiculous: the Gillets Jaunes crisis ended before the start of Covid after the government backtracked on a series of reforms including pension reform. Sure you will point the vaccine mandates, but those were lifted once the pandemic regressed. Whereas Hungary has been in a state of emergency continuously since 2015. Yet another false equivalency.
Why is Poland's government authoritarian? Because if they have their way with their judicial reform can take any decision they want regardless of the constitution by just having it rubber-stamped by the Supreme Court. That is what this entire situation is about, to prevent Poland from becoming another Hungary which has changed its constition 11 times since 2011, increasing the power of the government and of Fidesz.
Why is national populism a slur? It means right wing politics combined with anti-elitism and anti-establishmentism, its a technical term. Cuckservatism is however a slur.
Anyways, I don't think I will get anything out of this exchange other than relativism, false equivalencies, distortions and slurs, this will be my last answer.
Cheers,
Hugo
The video provides an effective summary of Turkey's current status. However, it neglects the one fundamental reason why Turkish accession to the European Union was never taken seriously. Many European states were fundamentally opposed to a large muslim country being accepted into the union. They may not have said this explicitly but it was the elephant in the room of all the negotiation.
To be honest I don't think this was ever an issue. The main problemb is the level of democracy.
That is not true. It all depends on whether the country that wants to join the EU shares European values and that's it. If not then you will not join to the EU because you just don't want it.
Quite accurate. Also, open borders would cause issues with refugees' passing into Western countries. Democracy, human rights, etc, are just words they prefer to use instead (for the most part), and mostly leave it open-ended with them.
@@zedtrek
Not really, but okay.
@@mattearl8213 that’s a lie that I don’t eat anymore, sorry.
Culturally it is eastern.
Kıbrıs Türk'tür Türk Kalacak.
Cyprus is not Mongolian.
Weird question , if wasn't western then would not be in NATO ,but for sure in last 10 years become more non western and if trend goes like this within 10-15 years it could become totally non western
Because nato isn't about being western, it's about being anti-communist.
It can never become non western. Even our genetics tied to the western people. Both eastern and western cultures embeded to ours it will be difficult to get rid of them.
@@exosproudmamabear558 i am not talking about genetics, i am talking about political ideology
@@FOLIPE You can find tones of anti communist countries in outside of western world but non of them are member of nato, nato is basically european/western alliance
@@e.v3832 As I said culturally embedded makes things difficult for us to vompletely turn away from democracy and other ideologies that west has. Next year will be elections so we will see how it will go. Majority of people do not want Erdogan anymore.
I think western Europeans often underestimate how european Turkey actually is. We see the surface which would be the eastern religion and poor quality of life (in comparison to WE, not in general) and just put them in the "Asia" box. But they're really more similar to the balkan nations than one'd think. We should see the turks as the bridge between east and west rather than a part of either.
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And this is the European part of Turkey!!!!
Let's imagine what happens outside the touristic traps.
pro shared Çarşamba to prove something@@hamlet557
We are not eur*pean by any means. This we take as an insult. We are Turkic, We are Asian, we are Eurasian. Period
Turkey should distribute the power of Ankara to local governments like Switzerland. Also Turks are European both genetically and culturally, Kurds and Arabs in the southeastern Turkey are not.
Just let them have their own country and finally we will have a place in Europe(not EU we don't need another central government). Our average IQ, GDP per capita and HDI will increase. Then we can channel the money spent on military into much more productive areas.
So you basically want to disintegrate your nation into oblivion? Lol
@@thedstorm8922 Not the country, just the central state.
That is called being bölücü you will get dogpiled and labeled as one.
"TurkishZombie"
You are right.
Lets make anatolia a continent so everyone can relax
türkiye is only country that have conflict usa, russia, china and eu at same time
türkiye is also only country that have military relationship with usa, russia and eu same time.
geopolitical situation of türkiye forces it to balance between powers. turkey can't afford to be on war front for either powers.
it can ------ if it would completly side with europe ----- but for that they would have to let go of ther Fanatic believes -- retun to atatürk instead of Fanatic Islam
Because it's geographically both, it's considered neither. Sounds weird but the west consider it east because they're muslim and not white.
The east consider it west because it's more economically aligned to the west in the way it operates and its NATO membership.
So do you remember when Hitler was like that the Aryan Germans were higher than Eastern Europe. and considers the eastern slavs as lowly non-white nations as white as the Turkic people who are another ethnic group in the Soviet Union. where 60% slav east . 30%Turkic
There is no Brit made up Aryan race
Aryan means noble in Sanskrit.
Just a theory
Htler was dumb
Lebanon must join the European Union 🇱🇧🇪🇺
Don’t get your hopes up any time soon tho. Maybe long term but now the focus has clearly moved for the eu to integrate Moldova and Ukraine. It’s long and messy but I hope one day you too can be part of the eu
Hell no
Bad border
it will be better for lebanon to join The EU but your country needs to more reformation.
Love lebanon.
@@realtimestatic when did Lebanon join Europe? its a asian country. the EU is only for states within the European continent. thus Turkey wouldn’t qualify. thats why admitting Turkey would cause the entire Middle East want to join the EU. the borders stop at Thrace.
Many westerners dont know anything about the ottamen empire.
most people don´t know anythink about history
ask germans 95% don´t know anythink that happend before 1900 (well exept majbe the discovery of America , Alexander, Napoeon & Ceasar)
even worse with muricans ---- only think they know is slavery ,civil war ,MLK and war of independance --- and majbe war of 1812
5:25 it was so much better in 2003
Turkey is the Stark Family in Game of Thrones....
as a Turk, i don't understand why you europeans are so much obsessed with turkiye's location. Most of you europeans say in the comments that turks assume themselves european while we turks always say we are asian. I don't know where this misconception comes from but we Turks are asian and our country Turkiye is located in both asia and europe basically euroasia. Being located in europe does not make us european. We are culturally, historically asian.
Asian is top broad
No, turks are neither asian, nor european, turks are anatolian.
what the fuck is soviet empires ?
If only Atatürk had lived longer
Well he would do some things more but it wouldnt change many things truth be told. His governing style was our problem after he died afterall. We were in isolation for so long and many social problems cant be solved through his ideology. Dont get me wrong I love Atatürk he saved us but he had faults too and he probably wont be good for today's standards although he did an impossible job in his time.
Turkey would still be called a dictator ruled country. Its that easy to call out dictator when they don’t suit the western agenda.
@@exosproudmamabear558 I feel like his biggest mistake was giving the military too much power to maintain his vision of a secular Turkey which led the country to deal with multiple military coups like in 1963.1971,1980,1993 and 1997.
@@NisarKhan-jm1uh Yeah ,he really couldnt establish proper democratic components such as anticorruption laws and anti corruption establisment he designed was military so Turkey's whole history gone from dictators to coups then to people who stole from the people. The ones who didnt steal or wasnt dictators did nothing for the country. Seriously it is worse than monarchy at this point someone needs to revise whole democratic system alltogether or we will relive these again and again.
Note: Russia has the same military as anticorruption and you can see what that brang them to.
@@exosproudmamabear558 I agree with you. This may have lead to a lot of turks thinking that a secular government was a very authoritarian government. I personally disagree with the type of secularism that Ataturk went for which was a very hands on type of secularism which disregards people's civil liberties and freedoms which is a basic building block of a healthy functioning democracy. I would argue that a country forcing women not to wear a hijab is just as bad as a country forcing women to wear a hijab. It's like forcing people to wear or not wear a certain type of clothing. I feel like Ataturk had a severe inferiority complex as he believed there was only one civilization,the European civilization which I think is a very narrow minded way of looking at the world.
according to the eastern people, the entrance to europe is vienna
the video has no conclusion or prediction
loose of time
North Cyprus is Turkish part of the Island, why is it blue ?