@@George-Chris mhmm the scale has certainly changed. You seem to be unaware of how extremely terrible humanity history has been and just how much less it is now.
@@Laroac the scale changed only for now. But our brains haven't evolved much and most of us are still capable of killing or greatly hurting fellow humans, unfortunately. Just look at how many millions of people play shooting video games and they enjoy shooting at other virtual humans. Or just think back in the past: when there was peace wasn't everyone thinking that "I won't kill or hurt another human being ever", or "fuck war"?
If we agree to have no internal borders and only shared external borders then I think its only fair that the external borders are maintained by all member states. Furthermore, since there will always be some migrants or refugees to make it into Europe, all member states should proportionally contribute in their resettlement or deportation, so that its not just the responsibility of Italy, Spain, Greece, etc.
@@muninnsays9296 It's exactly the opposite. Can you imagine Spanish or Irish guard control in Eastern Poland swampy forests during winter? Don't think so.
We should also look into the external migration centers be abuse the main issue with migration is not processing, it’s returning non-eligible migrants back home because their native countries don’t cooperate.
@@djmacieg of course I can imagine that, it’s not like they’re living in the swamp itself, and the majority of Polish people live in the cities, not swamp. So what makes Polish people supposedly better at policing the border there than an Irishman or Spaniard? Frontex offers greater communication ability and has greater access to resources.
Couple weeks ago one of those morocan migrants crashed a car agains people having a drink outside a restaurant in Murcia, Spain. This is what happens when everybody is allowed to enter.
@@Pixtel1 morrocans have lived in spain for centuries, ironically tho back when you could travel between morroco and spain without any visa requiremenys and border control you had a lot fewer immigrants settling.
@@mdpete4071 and when they cross into your territory and you get them? Do you know that you cannot send back an immigration according to international law?
The EU needs a young workforce that will work so old people will recieve retirement money. But instead of creating fair work enviroments and fair wages so young people would be able to start their own families they invite illegal undocumented people who don't speak our languages and most aren't willing to work and are living of welfare.
@@piotrwarzynski9221 and € is set to 2-3% inflation per year to encourage people in investing, but many people can barely make it through the month because they've to work for the minimum wage and even 200€(as an example) above the minimum wage doesnt get you much after you pay the tax, maybe you can save up for a decent PC in a year. and every time i se the EU being mad about things like islamophobia,equal rights... while they're literally brining back serfdom. they're encouraging renting instead of building or buying, they're not building anything at all. there are people who people didn't voted for or how else did something like von der leyen get where its today and just look how much she earns. 350k per year and she probably has some side business since she had enough money to invest. and now imagine al the other hundreds in the european parlament, and their assistens, party members who're getting paid without contributing anything while you've people working for a multi million company but earning the minimum wage. and then you also have native politicans, who hopped on the greed train to enrich themselves. They're literally behaving like patricians and treating us like plebs.
Most migrants i know are very hard working and genuinely want to improve their lives but i guess they didn't comd illegally so i can't speak for all of them. The underlying issue here is the falling birthrate and that there should be more incentives for parents to have kids or else there wouldn't be such a demographic crisis happening right now.
You should and you should stop the Europe's involvement in african countries, many prop up dictators, kill and destroy opposition on their behalf, particularly the French in exchange for resources. In somalia the eu blocked one man one vote, keeps upholding an arms ban so we can't even defend ourselves from foreign sponsored terrorists, lots our seas for fish and dumps nuclear waste in our waters. They recently support America and britains coup against a populist president who was rebuilding the national army. European countries fund different regions in the country propping up warlords. All this to loot all of the natural resources we have, you must stop being brainwashed by thing you are helping, you are looting and everyone suffers including regular European citizens other than the elite who benefit. I do think eu needs to sanction north african countries who refuse to take back migrants. Even in all the mess somalia is in we take back everyone
What makes not being European not deserving of wellbeing, human rights and freedom? How can people like you complain about accusations of racism when you openly declare that people should only care about others for having the same ethnicity as them? This is the logic of Showa Japan, where everyone else can suffer except Japanese people.
Europe needs to protect the external borders. All EU member states need to contribute to a unified migration policy, with asylum applications being processed outside the EU, and only if the application is accepted by a member state, then the refugee can move to that state. Finally Frontex needs more power and budget to keep the external borders strong.
And they need to use force. Morality is subjective and EU cannot keep being the hypocritical hallmark of goodness when they sponsor and allow the Iraq invasion for example. If they actually used force, and even deadly force, to uphold the law, then migrants would think twice.
The most logical and simple solution is to stop accepting asylum seekers. Residency only for citizens and (skilled) migrants. Build camps in regions with war, famine or other problems. Deport anyone illegally crossing the EU border. It saves an incredible amount of money, solves new cultural conflicts and gives clarity to those who think they want to come to the EU. There are many ways to help people, most don't include inviting them to live in your house.
As much as I would like to help we have to realize that European resources are not endless and people who don't respect European values, like women are equal to men, should not be accepted by any means. EU is a collection of states that share the same values. Those values cannot be undermined at any price.
@@ahmadalzlfawi4026 No, only the aging liberal feminist women without children want immigrants, the rest of us don't want them. Let them help their aging people back in their own countries. You talk like as if immigrants don't age, stay and build your own fuckin countries
@@ahmadalzlfawi4026 If people from.Africa and ME will still coming in even more numbers they will end with the same fate as older brothers in faith in 40s or as ME farmers 3k years before Christ.
hey what do you think of the comment made by NW objecting to the economic importance of immigration? he also left a comment saying that European women who don’t have any children should not receive a pension. Is this aligned with European values? Or should we ban him from the EU?
@UC2T2K9fSbl56TZzlxzcr4Bw what a ridiculous statement. Many EU countries are on the top of the innovation index as well as some of the highest in how much they spend on R&D. EU countries are leading innovation in finance, digitalization, space exploration, science, crypto currency, privacy technology, e-finance....And more pecifically agro-technological innovation (Netherlands are the top of the world) or France with Nuclear energy, or Germany which is the top in manufacturing innovation...The EU is the undisputed leader in green technology and its wide soread implementation.... Tech companies like facebook and Google are not the only type of innovation, in fact they are only the most visible. Regardless, the only reason the EU doesnt have any tech giants like the US and China is because their market is not unified. The EU is a feee trade block, but each country still has its own, largely self-contained markets. The EU is currently working on a unified tech market that will allow European tech companies access to the whole EU. Also, I am soo tired of this aging/ falling population argument. Populations naturally regulate themselves and when a population begins to decline it means that there something wrong in the population structure or society. Currently all EU countries are overpopulated. This is causing severe economic strain and rising property prices, making life difficult for the young workers. Allowing tbe population to deflate to a more natural level is far better for the future of the EU and its countries. It will lead to a drop in GDP, and on paper the economic might of the EU decrease, however in the long run it will improve economic conditions and drop prices and increase wages. Right now too many people are competing for jobs, which allows employers to pit job applicants against eachother and take the one who is willing to take a lower pay. All you need to do is look at the productivity vs wages statistics for the last few decades in Wester Europe. Productivity (how much companies and the country can produce) has increased at a steady pace, but wages have not moved much, especially in Real terms. This is while inflation (due to productivity growth) has also risen, meaning thag today the young have more and more difficulty buying and renting apartments and are stagnation in terms of life quality. The solution to this problem is not to ignore that we are over populated and try to force/ artificially grow the population by bringing in people who do not understand our culture. This will only make it worse. Not only does this mean that there will be more problems and clashes between migrants (who also have their own values and culture) and natives, but it will also cause worse economic conditions.
I'm a Somali living in Somalia. I can tell you migration policies of the western countries do a lot of harm to the poor countries. For example my country lost and it is still losing a lot of professionals and skilled labor to rich countries. Which is very sad.
That's the ones that are invited to Europe. Brain drain has nothing to do with this topic. Rich western nations of course want the engineer who's education was paid for by somalia. Whom they don't want are the people that actually need help. And it's BY DESIGN.
This has happened or is happening in "rich" countries too. Millions of people (car technicians, electricians, doctors etc.) from Ukraine migrated to Poland. Millions of Poles migrated to UK, Germany and USA. There is almost always a "richer" country that will drain skilled (and young) workers. From looks of it salary and cost of living in Somalia is similar to west europe.... And well, if you are at your home and someone wants to come, you can be picky who you let in. And given the choice between someone educated, who will work and pay taxes, vs. someone unskilled who you will have to help, the choice is obvious.
Many Finns are moving to USA because there high educated jobs pay 3x more than here. I was shocked when my American friend said how he earns more at UPS storage without education, than someome earns in Finland after getting a job after University. This is also reason why Finnish system is on verge of collapse. No one wants to do hard Education requiring jobs, because payment is just so ridiculously small. Even educated immigrants avoid Finland.
"Irregular" is the euphemism, not the other way around... not only they are entering the sovereign countries against the law, but many use to do it using physical violence against law enforcement border officers, and later against the peaceful citizens. Recognizing this, is the must in order to start setting up order in that mess
actually, entering a country's borders in order to seek asylum is legal. you can't really say "against the law". their stay becomes illegal if they stay in the country despite having received a decision that their asylum application has been denied
@@ahmadalshehabi1138 but someone who crosses through iran, turkey, lebanon, greece, Kosovo, Bosnia, Serbia is not a refugee. Only a small percentage of people coming are refugees. Crossing Turkey disqualified you from refugee status. Its much worse when the cross other European countries.
Not in all cases. Under international law, people have a right to enter the nearest safest country without a visa to ask aslyum. And whether Lybia or Egypt are "safe" under the definition provided by international law would be debatable is one was feeling charitable.
@@pixelghostclyde8717 International law is made up, and not a divine system instructed upon humans by some kind of god. You can simply decide not to take part in it. The EU accepting whatever kind of refugees is putting social and physical harm upon itself, and should be stopped. Accepting any kind of refugees should only been seen as charitable, and never as any kind of right or obligation.
@@Biru_to "International law is made up, and not a divine system" Ok, so who said it was? There is obviously a sensible position between "accepting any kind of refugees" and "not allowing any kind of refugees". Stop strawmanning people to enforce your argument. It's bad style.
@@thiscommentsdeleted What is sensible about accepting refugees? It's ideological and charitable, it doesn't "make sense", it's an opinion if it is "sensible". Letting a homeless man sleep in your house because he could otherwise freeze to death in the cold night might "make sense", he might also stab you and your family to death in the middle of the night.
Migrants aren't suffering. I'm paying for them, while I see fellow countrymen left on the streets, without anyone caring for them! I see my country piling up debt and increasing the numbers of immigrants who cost the state more than they pay in taxes. My children's children will have to pay for the sins of today! I had a friend of mine sexually abused by a Syrian who was defended by another woman because he was "traumatized"! It's not migrants suffering at our hands. It's us suffering at their's!
Thats an unfair generalization. Yes there are problems. But Migrants are as all humans individuals and you shouldn't blame all of them for the mistakes of a few. Anyhow these problems exist and politics should find a way to provide saftey to its citizens while also respecting human rights of everybody.
@@Micha-qv5uf to be fair though, there is a highly significant divergence in crime rates between citizens and foreigners. That's just a fact. Talking this down won't do you any good, and don't be surprised at the next wave of populism. This could've been addressed a long time ago. I remember this exact same discussion from the time of the Yugoslav wars. The fallout of that is still felt in the receiving nations, like mine, I and literally ALL of my friends have had so much goddamn troubles with the lot, fights, stabbings, rapes, I know exactly what's coming from first hand. I wouldn't hesitate to avert this same scenario at almost any cost, I'd push a few innocents back into the med without hesitation. And the sheer numbers involved of coming waves don't make me optimistic. How many do you want to take? There's hundreds of millions of those unfortunates, there is literally no end to this. We already have high numbers of maladjusted foreigners here, and goddamn, I like my culture and people, I don't want any change really, and I sure as hell don't want to change my ways. Why tf would I? I pay taxes here, so I get a say what's being done with it.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 The problem is that the human rights solution is way too generous or too big on generalization. Or our "woke" interpretation of such. A war refugee should only be able to apply for asylum in a neighboring country, not anywhere on the planet as they feel like. Only this makes sense and doesn't create such a chaos, that we're witnessing. If such neigbours are beeing overwhelmed by numbers, then they should find other solutions through individual contracts with migrant accepting nations, but again only with asylum rights in the neighbour country, third countries have to accept them based on local migration laws. The individual refugee should also be able to apply for citizenship in a country that they wish to go for through local embassies. But not based on asylum rights, but again on migration laws. It's getting more complicated with other types of refugees, like religious minorities. But I favor a solution based on neighbour countries for those too. This would stop endless waves of migrants from far away origins, due to them always beeing stranded in a neighbour country.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 For some reason my comment disappeared. I will say it shorter. You said: "there is a highly significant divergence in crime rates between citizens and foreigners". That is correct but the reasons for that are various and complicated and do not always derive from cultural background but bad migration policy. if you're allowed to stay here but not allowed to get a job, what else can you do but try to sustain yourself through criminal means? You need to differentiae problems and take a close look to the reasons instead of fighting the symptoms by simply being against migration in general.
@@Micha-qv5uf look, believe it or not, but everyone understands that perfectly fine. The issue also isn't petty theft in grocery stores, or even a little drug dealing on the side to afford winter clothing, is it? And you know that, so don't come at me with sustenance issues, which btw. in the developed world don't really exist. Except of course with illegal migrants which can't access the system. Now, what you allude to is a very real question but that happens for a reason, and that reason isn't racism. The reason is that you displace local low wage workers and increase overall downward pressure on salaries. That's why you don't just have an open labor market. The same goes for the housing market. Suddenly adding 5, 10 or even more percent population in a few short years puts enormous strain on the housing market. And that doesn't even include language training, job training, cultural integration, crime issues... Because that cost a whole lot of money. Mind you, those people haven't paid one dime in ts rs, but those who did now have to contend with a multitude of increased pressures? That is also a very real thing. Also, the people who are oh so welcoming don't invite those migrants into their upscale neighborhoods or schools, not even in their fancy little restaurants or bars, and certainly not to date their daughters. Lefties more often than not are in fairly protected jobs in either the education sector, government, and other well compensated stuff like that where they don't have to compete with this labor pool, and they sure as hell don't deal with the fallout of immigration in the streets. That's the local poors who have to compete and get caught in the crossfire, and ultimately pay the price. And then going and calling them uneducated, racist or deplorables or whatever will yield exactly the results you see now. I mean, if you want solidarity it should extend to everyone, but you and I both know that that isn't the case, because a good portion of the population apparently feels left out and now votes against the system. Make of that what you want.
The big issue after that is the fact that they do not desire to adapt to the culture of the country they go. That's why it create so much issues. Sweden and the amounts of rapes the last few years, bombing and decapitating in France/Belgium. etc etc. "Not all" i know that but it's part of their culture war against ours. These people needs to understand our rules, laws and all. Now let's not forget about something important here; the countries they come from. Those countries needs to step-up against ideologies and be more Democratic. We all can agree that they need help but at one point if the EU countries have already issues to allocate houses, jobs and money for theirs owns, what those migrants expect? That's for me is something that i can't understand, we are creating more issues than solving them.
By design my friend, a country that is divided and people suspicious of each other are easier to control and manipulate. It's all about staying in power regardless of the consequences because they won't be affected by local issues on the ground, they are protected by their wealth.
@@plummetplum a non-cohesive society is not easier for a government to control, instability breeds protests and the rise of violent militias, which any government would prefer not to have. The EU just handled their migration policy like dogshit and countries that are geopolitically opposed to them are taking advantage of it.
There needs to be more research done into this. For instance, do they not adapt because they refuse to adapt, or because they do not have the means to adapt (cultural studies, learning the language, associations to help them etc.). Furthermore, when they refuse to adapt to the culture, what aspects of the culture they are not adapting too? What do they need to do to show their adaptation? Not just that, do their children have proper schooling? The children of migrants have the best chance to adapt. If they have proper schooling and live with the children of the host country, the second-generation migrants will become first-generation citizens. Then again, there is also the question whether EU should be doing more to invest and help out migrant countries. Who wants to migrate if their country is not a shithole? Migrants would not migrate if their country isn't such a mess.
Well said. Coming from Greece we know the problem and the most annoying thing is being blamed as well from safe countries that our rules are hard. Hypocrites. EU is made for 2-3 countries and the rest serve them. A disgrace.
@@-AlbrechtvonWallenstein- still it doesnt mean that an individual can no longer express himself based from his nationality. Germany didn't buy any ''right to speak'' from any nation.. or I am wrong? I think that a nation in bad shape as Greece has the right to have a voice on its migration policies without being blamed harshly if little or nothing is done to help .. at least for now.
@@-AlbrechtvonWallenstein- let me guess,you took that info from the memes or from what everyone is saying on the internet without any sort of proof ps: it's saved not safed
Europe should only let in migrants that can work in jobs that Europeans don't do, and only for a few years and giving citizenship only to the best ones. If we don't do this soon we will have a European Union in which the European population is the minority. Europe. For. Europeans.
Lololol citizenships 🤣 I’m sorry but no immigrants has ever gotten citizenship, only in the UK. The rest of EU is extremely strict on citizenships, they don’t give passports to children born there. The fear of being replaced is baseless, immigrants only work there and citizenship is usually taken after generations.
@@jolinejoline2471 AHAHAHAHAHAH WHAAAAAT i know many people who have gotten citizenship in Italy just because they were born here with immigrant parents. All you said is wrong, the population of Sweden is 10 million and the non Swedish population is 2 million. The fear of being replaced is full of bases
@@jolinejoline2471 Germany does give passports to all children beeing born here, unless you refuse that option. The nationality of their parents doesn't matter. I don't know any other EU member who does this differently.
It's ridiculous. Not only this but a lot of people are unable to criticize the immigration system as soon as persons of color are involved. Just like a lot of people are able to criticize toxic ideas when it comes from the church but never when it comes from islam, which our society wasn't even built with and is much more far away culturally speaking. Douglas Muray's "the strange suicide of Europe" has never been so relevant.
The thing about the Church and Islam is ludicrous. We Muslims teach our ways which we have been told by the Quran 1400 years ago. The Quran remains the same way, text by text. You Christians mix tradition with religion, and you bend yourselves and your values, but no, you are corrupted. The Church is corrupted, and that's a fact. Islam does not have nothing to do with that. Europe is going to become foul 8n a couple of decades. S9 don't blame us, blame your fundamentally broken families and legal system. Fix your problem with drugs. Fix the problem with your son's being addicted to random girls online. Fix your problem with your sons becoming gay.
@@sm3675 though islam is a good religion why Muslim majority countries are in war or either have bad economic because people either bend rules of Islam or just do it literally like Afghanistan which is war country but with to more people culture which in majority mulim culture they take from Islam so don't talk about church if mostly christian countries are taking refguess giving them food and treating them better than their own country which is rules by mulims
@@sm3675 Islam is a totally corrupt religion from the core, because it wants to meddle with people's private life and the law. The Western nations have evolved from this with the renaissance. Until this happens, most Islamic countries are just ridiculous.
Not in all cases. Under international law, people have a right to enter the nearest safest country without a visa to ask aslyum. And whether Lybia or Egypt are "safe" under the definition provided by international law would be debatable is one was feeling charitable.
@@pixelghostclyde8717 "international law" is a made up concept, it only has any meaning for those accepting it. Good luck using your "international law" "rights" when illegally crossing the Russian or Chinese border. You will be shot.
This video is inaccurate. I come from ex Yugoslavia. There was no such thing as "open borders". We had to apply for visa, travel to capital and have an interview in embassy, pay high fees... We had to go there as tourists or temporary workers and then apply for Asylum from there.
plus there are still limits for most of the poor to move around. For the rich - sure, you can buy property in another EU state and you are set. Full rights to You. For the poor - some countries will discriminate you because of language. some set limits on how long you can drive your car on their territory, and do not allow registering it if you do not "have" local address. Some limit length of your stay. List goes on, banks, offices, even getting such simple thing as mail might be a problem. Most of those laws are purely discriminatory, creating "better" and "worse" people, using being "in" as a form of hidden currency.
@@piotrcurious1131 ikr ? It's so hard to apply legally. But some random guys just gets everything set by sneaking. EU governments likes paying benefits to thousands of so called lame refugees. But they hate letting legal migrants work and get their hard earned money.
@@piotrcurious1131 I've never been to Europe. But my friends have. They give you Schengen easily although it's a bit costly. But the real problem starts when applying for work visa.
@@headlesshair1353 Try visiting as tourist then and form Your own opinions. How people percieve world depends on their character, language skills and WHERE they try to get a job. Most high paying industrial places have double use as mitary production, so You will be turned down without "reason". Many places have dumb people who never travel themselves and have even more dumb views on who to hire. Some places are more broke than You can imagine, and working there is more like volounteering. In either case do not form your views from opinion of others. This was often the case in early EU access for countries like Poland. People went for work, earned good money, came back and told horrible stories because did not want others to go because they knew other people could work better than them. Many got paid by russia to spread propaganda, you can read up on how influencers earn money from countries like Turkey - being paid for posting pictures on Instagram and dissing other travel destinations. It is tough world nowadays, it is really better to see Yourself.
I believe that all nations should proportionally contribute resources to guard EU borders, but each nation should have the power and right to decide if they want to accept migrants or not.
But that's meaningless. It doesn't matter how many migrants each country accepts, it only matters how many are accepted within the entire Schengen area. That's what happens when you have no internal borders, migrants can and will cross unguarded borders for a wealth of different reasons. If there is a country that decides not to accept many migrants, but it's neighbours do accept many, the migrants will still go where they want to go, just like any other EU inhabitant. We need a common pro-active Asylum policy for the entire EU, or we will not be able to deal with the next wave of refugees in a fair manner. That is what is needed to preserve the common market in the long term, anything else is just a botched interim solution.
@@mariusdufour9186 next wave will be way scarier. If climate change stuff keeps going as is imagine all the dry parts of the world pushing people further west, hopefully eu is more prepared that time around.
@@beepboopbeepp Indeed, and when things get scary, emotions take over and people revert to extremes like 'everyone should be welcomed with open arms' and 'ban all immigration of people who don't look like me'. Both these positions are equally extreme, they reinforce each other, and they will end up costing us our humanity and our values if we don't fix this in time.
@@mariusdufour9186 just shoot them, it's that simple, killing a few of them would make others think twice, this balkanization of Europe is going to end badly in the long run and it will be bloody believe me
If it was up to me, All Migrants would have to pass a background check and deposit 7000€ into a special bank account that can only be used for Rent, Public transport, Medical expenses, and Groceries.
It is such a shame. The people of Europe need to stand up to what can at this point justifiably be called an invasion of foreign peoples. Local cultures and languages, beliefs, and customs are being forced to compete with imported people.
@@ntf5211 those are people seeking refuge economically or from war, it's not an invasion. You can criticize it all you want but you're not getting anywhere by judging it as an invasion.
That european countries cant keep up with birthrates has reasons that arent set in stone. Its a too market friendly and career-rewarding attitude taught in our schools and set by law that creates this. Especially the lack of financial support for women that want children. It has to be more profitable for ur age pension to have children than having no children as a family. At the moment, having children is a risk of getting poor pension at retirement.
Yes!!! It's not that women do not want to stay home, it's that it's difficult to stay home. Making sure that we have great schools and great programs for children is necessary for increasing the birth rate. Mothers need less stress. If more families can afford children, then we will see more children. It's so sad to walk around the city and see the once "children ridden streets" lifeless.
@@kapudanuderya Thats a stupid statement. 0,025% of our women are working there, and just because maybe only 0,005% of ur countries women do it too, that gives u no right to call the remaining 99,975% of our women sluts!
europe is over populated as it is, we need stop immigration and let pop numbers fall, increase robotics, cheaper energy, more gdp per capita, more money, more space, then more children again.
seem to me like the solution that will be adopted is the so called "fortress europe" as it require the least effort while keeping the internal borders open. The inefficiencies reserved to this approach largely ignored to the damage of potential refugees unable to apply.
Yes. I support work-based immigration 100%, but simply many countries can not support thousands of refugees to Europe. We have our own continent, society and culture. It should stay European and the European Union should work together to protect its borders, citizens, its economy by working together and doing Fortress Europe
@@KlausValk for that Germany should be convinced/forced to pay for the external borders of the EU instead of bloody inviting millions of immigrants there without thinking of the consequences (not saying that all immigrants are bad because they're not all like that and many do integrate and get assimilated, but millions don't).
@@KlausValk I disagree, refugee that risk persecution should be accepted but not the illigal "economic migrants". to me "fortress europe" is a failure on an ideological level as it mean we were unable to find a working solution, tho the reality is that right now it's the only solution that could work.
@@jnimitzch4738 that's why there is a distintion between legal migration, illigal migration and refugees. if you are innocent under our laws and value but sending you back is a death sentence under international law we have a duty to grant you asylum. this is not a moral dilemma, we already know what to do in this case. accepting or not refugees in not up to discussion, those that do go against international law for what is more often than not internal politics rhetoric.
@@jnimitzch4738 I feel like we are coming to this from two different prospective, are you seriously arguing against the application of the geneva convention?
It's an underrated channel because it shares the fact we all have similar concerns that just aren't been addressed fast enough in Europe. As another Brit I think it's a shame the UK had to resort to leaving the EU. Basically we've traded free trade and travel for control of our market and borders. Which is a shame but it crazy that the EU doesn't see the issues that need fixing. Whether the EU liked it or not the UK was a key member, you'd thought rather than going on the defensive they'd look at why we left and see what the issues are. Lets be honest the EU was only ever created for the French and Germans and I think this has shown in recent years. Still love France and Germany like, what's happened has happened.
@Razor Mouth☘️ tbh its so complex its even hard to track them. Question for you: how many presidents does the EU have? (Who are they? Who's voted for them and under which mecanisms? I dont know them, I dont want them, and the sooner they reform, the better)
@@lahabitaciondelatrapado4621 It doesn't matter how many Presidents the EU has, most of them have ceremonial powers, they're not like the presidents of a nation-state. The legislative process in the EU is divided between the Council (which is literally composed of representatives from the governments of member-states) and the Parliament (which is composed of deputies that are democratically elected by the citizens of member-states). So what exactly do you mean by the EU Commission wanting to rule Europe? It barely has any powers.
Article 13 literally only affects southern EU states, since refugees don't use planes, but northen europe wont do anything to change that because it requires an unanimous vote, so northern europe would rather keep the status quo
If Europeans had a necessity to flee to these countries, where they are fleeing, how would their government react? In my opinion, I talk about myself, we would be shot at the shores without the possibility of even touch sand or rock. I mean, when I have issues with my family or wife I don't just go to sleep to my neighbors house lol
You know what? Europe is fucked, most of European countries opened their a$$. Me as European I feel ashamed some how and proud of my country to not fall into the freaking mason trap. Feels wierd to see neighbor countries allowing such a bullshit, the called "politically correct". Fk that.
@Smart Idiot you know that muslims are obligated to help muslims? not to mention that turkey is literally the first "safe" country near syria which had a war and a big chunk of refugees...
U mean coming from a country that destabilizes the countries of people u hate. America will be replaced by black and brown people or leave our countries and we won't come to yours
Not exactly, this video misses out a key point and falsely stated that central European countries did not want migrants. The EU seems to dictate what qualifies as a migrant/refugee how it sees fit. The central European nations took in many Ukrainian and Belarusian refugees and migrants. Poland took in over 1 million refugees and migrants from Ukraine when the war with Russia erupted on the eastern side of the country. These were not counted and they still demanded Poland take another 1 million migrants from outside of Europe.
We should more somehow help to those countries where people are escaping from, it will be cheaper than buildings walls, you can't really stop milions of people, who thinks it's possible must be crazy, we have to solve real problem which is why those people are leaving their countries? The worst thing is that they are leaving because we (NATO+Russia in the past) did mess there, we removed dictators and installed terrorists there, it's sad, but it's true. There was piece in Afghanistan before Russians and Americans started play their games there. Americans and Russians should accept those migrants because they caused this.
@@Pidalin Europe can do literally nothing right now to stop or even dissuade the US from doing whatever they want. The only way in which we will be able to have more power is if we integrate further and start acting, at least and most importantly in foreign policy, as a bloc. European countries can keep having completely different internal systems, but if we don't want to be China's, Russia's, India's or the USA's puppets, we must act as a bloc in foreign policy
@@Pidalin we can stop them, it called security and enforcement. If we deport them and properly defend our borders, we'd have next to no issue here. We do help these countries, the global system is literally the only reason they exist and are still standing. Why should America citizen be forced to take in migrants it doesn't want and need.
Just allow border security to use their weapons. If Europe would have shown it's strict stance on migration that it's not allowed.. then much less people would even try and much less people would die even trying. But when you are giving so much benefits to them when even people in Latvia want to have same benefits... then you can just imagine how it's all is highly motivational to immigrants from non EU countries.
Exactly. Show everyone you are harsh, but fair. You would cut most of the bloat and opportunists. Sure, some would still pass, but you would have far less people blatantly abuse the system.
Using lethal force is "harsh but fair"? Is there any precedent or evidence that harsher treatment at the border will cause fewer people to want to come? Tons and tons of people are desperate enough to come across the Mediterranean even though its incredibly dangerous to do so...
@@ikumo5470 they are trying because they know that there is a chance of having benefits at the finish, if they would know that they will not receive anything and will be treated as criminals.. they would stop.
@@SturmerSS I don't see how its any different. Now they are willing to take incredible risk at a chance of getting benefits. If we make our stance on migration much harsher, they would still be in the same situation of being faced with lots of risks and dangers at a small chance of a better life. I just don't see how it would help any of the big pain points.
As an EU citizen from Poland I support the external countries being the most important safeguards of the borders, while internal borders should be opened. Refugees that present a passport from a country at war should be granted asylum, however refugees from non conflict countries, should be denied asylum, as they don't in fact need it. I want frontex to have a bigger budget and more authority, so that it can ultimately transform into a full on EU armed forces, making NATO redundant in the process.
As a Brit I've thought about this and I agree to a point. As the UK is still in NATO but before an integrated armed forces can be achieved we need to address our differences first; like why did the UK leave. For example Americans try to see each other as American even though 95% of their population doesn't come from that continent. The British identity is similar but with more historic identity than the US so it's a rocky one (as in a hard to maintain identity) as we the English, Welsh and Scottish loosely define our selves as British when with each other and in fact each country has a independence party wanting to reform Westminster (our government) but we still stand side by side in our armed forces and on the international stage, the same would need to happen in Europe first.
@Razor Mouth☘️ its always about economics and since most of the world is basically poor, we should not let them in, or else you will have to put migrants sleeping on your sofa, and force them thru financial system to adopt our way, or the highway.
EU should do ethical imperialism, to stabilise states and governments with full functional democracy and security, and a stable economy, to stop influx for the long term.
@@napoleonibonaparte7198 ethical hacking is testing the system not trying to use old colonial rebranded for a new purpose and expect everyone to be like this wouldn't be like the last even if that is true because of a collective ptsd from the last colonial ventures of Europe into the rest of the world.
Ethical imperialism has to be the worst name for a foreign policy plan, but I generally agree. If "Western" nations can't accept the number of people migrating, they need to address the causes of displacement. Stable democratic governance can reduce migration, but implementing it abroad is practically impossible. In recent times, regime change has been the source of more migration than despots themselves. The war in Afghanistan caused an exodus, even as a democratic government was established. The Syrian refugee crisis was born out of a revolt against Assad, as well as the expansion of ISIS, an extremist group that arguably gained power due to the power vacuum created by the invasion of Iraq. If Western nations want to reduce migration, they will likely have to work within the existing political order. Improving economic conditions under any regime would do more to reduce the need for migration than war. The problem than is that growing the economies of conflict zones and developing nation would likely necessitate sustained government investment from developed nations. Private capital has essentially embargoed the developing world. Instability and corruption make it almost impossible for foreign investors to send money into developing nations. Only governments have the risk tolerance to send the resources required to build stable economies from which private businesses could grow, but doing so would require decades of sustained popular support for such initiatives. Ironically, the same voices that oppose migrants the most aggressively would probably be the first to oppose such measures, but mentioning something about the belt and road initiative might win them over. Personally, I'd like to see the elimination of global poverty a primary goal of all developed nations, but it will require having a political consensus about a developed nation's obligation to the rest of the world that presently is nowhere close to existing.
even more shocker that a lot of them are in fact very happy with the same brand of Islam that they have "at home" while a great many really did flee for their life, a lot seized the opportunity to go in search of a ... "better" (read more materialistic) life
@@ovadyarachman7243 Who bombed what? Stop spreading sheeet, just check GDP of Afghanistan before and after "bombing", they literally were bigger shhole before bombings.
No , the idea behind Schengen area is to make seemless border crossing and moving within the EU ! Not from the outside of the EU ! Nobody ever agreed on that ! EU needs to sort out the external border as any other sovereign state and be honest and democratic towards its actual native citizens !
I'm socialliberal, yet cosmopolitanism is a mistake. Henceforth I don't support any major political party supporting free borders wich makes me neutral/regional. Europe is not a continent for economic migration.
@@Ivanfpcs Yeah I mean that's the whole point of a transnationalism and why I am proud of the Union - though I'm really against federalism as well as a European constitution. I don't want to become another Roman Empire - another bully, wich Mother Earth and Humanity definitely doesn't need.
the main problem I'm seeing with the issue of refugees and migration in general is that it's unsustainable, regardless on who takes care of them or who houses them, the reality is that people will keep coming due to climate change, due to wars (sometimes caused by the USA, France, UK or internal conflicts) and Europe being closest to these danger zones (Africa, the Middle east, Central Asia) it will remain a major issue that neither side can realy solve. No migration side is wrong not for not wanting migrants but for not realising just how difficult it is to house and maintain such amount of people who either just want to survive or want to get ahead in life (we all do, that's what humans do), however the open migration side is also wrong because of the problems and costs it brings with it to western nations as well as spark the flames of resentment and nationalism which is not good for a European level solution which is what's actually needed. I would then propose a different solution, one that is unpopular and will set a new geopolitical reality that some of it's big players aren't welcoming of, EU Military peacekeeping missions, what this would mean is the creation of a legitimate EU level military force, to be placed or engage near the entry points of migration flows and outside of EU countries like Morroco, Turkey, Tunnisia, Libya, so on where they would be tasked with maintaining order, help screen refugees and host refugee camps where they can then be transported to host nations or be able to integrate into the local societies, economies or develop skills needed later in life to rebuild their country of origin if possible. the reason why this solution is unlikely to be taken is that the EU does not have the power or right to use such a military force, that it would be a more federated EU type of solution and that it would project an image of neo-collonialism to the rest of the world, as well as agitate certain geopolitical players by seeing a modern EU wide military force near their borders potentially but untill such a long term solution if implemented this will continue to be an issue and it's going to become much, much worse compared to 2015, as we move into the 2030s and 2040s, better to get to work with it now for when it's needed than the scramble later when shit inevitably hits the fan.
@Primotef I agree, though in the short term we have to look for our own security first and improve the situation in those regions long term, though that's easier said than done, only time will tell if it can be done or not.
I agree with what Primotef said. But the biggest problem is that we need more population. Buissnesses are looking for people but cannot find workers. We NEED a higher birthrate . For Europe to be majority dark in a couple of generations is saddening. We need to preserve our culture and our ways.
@@sm3675 not realy, what we realy need to stop is aging and invest in automation, you don't need a massive population but having a young population with stable birthrates and high education in new fields with few old people would be best. Many economists today only look at consumption as marker of economic growth, while they should be looking at value added growth, technological development and stable government policies and property rights. Many migrants today in the west are a burden not a benefit as most of them are low skilled labor, what we should be doing is have immigration based on merit and ability as well as invest in means to raise birthrates like in France and Sweden. The worst thing we could do is raise taxes, promote mass migration of low skilled labor, while ignoring the aging problem, lucky for us old people tend to die off first with disease outbreaks, sadly our governments issue lockdowns for all instead of just the elderly. Our governments are quite incompetent when compared to the rest of the world.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 lol "to stop aging" and "we don't need big families" LOL. So, how are you going to make that population stops shrinking and stops aging? Just to kill the old ones to make statistics better? Hahahaha. Europe needs to revert to traditional values, families need to have at least 3 children, in order to preserve our nation, culture, and economic system ( especially pensions because young people who are workforce are making possible that pensions are paid to the old ones). Nigeria, although poor country today in terms of economy, has more brighter future with 100% population growth rate in last 30 years, than some EU country where man smoke weed and do nothing for family except career until mid 30's and women are dog's mammas and giving first birth in mid 30's. That's a collapse of both system, nation and an extinct and lost love for the motherland. People in Europe have become selfish, thinking only about individuality, not caring much about nation in general, and that kind of life will make countries collapse, because we are living in a society together with other people, we're not living on our own - system has allowed you to have selfish life and it's going to crumble from the inside because this kind of life is not sustainable. That's why right populism is taking a rise in almost all European countries, because system that exists is a failure which will all be seen in future. We are living fine now but generations that are going to come will be suffering because people today don't want to give up on their commodities and to sucrifice a bit for nation to survive. Male population in Europe today can be described with "Weak man create hard times", and it's going to happen.
As an Australian, you're on the right track on processing migrants outside of EU, that's what the gov't did here, they house them in Papua New Guinea and the illegal migrations stopped, knowing that they will wait years there for processing
exactly. The NGOs are the ones that catalize the amount of wellfare seeking refugees, by working with smugglers that ironically cause human right violations and spread lies just to sack their money. Not to forget that the inaction and inconsistency of most countries caused the system to collapse. If you accept people to get into the system by not identifying themselves or by them lying about their country of origin, then they should be dealt with correctly by a propper procedure.
Yeah, it's working beautifully. Before the dead bodies of asylum-seekers kept washing up on our shores. Now they are killed in Lybian lagers, well-away from our sight. Cheers from Italy.
If it’s being abused , then wouldn’t it be also broken for allowing it to be abused? It’s like having a “take-one candy” bowl and then getting mad when children take the whole bowl.
I'm from Mexico and I think that receiving our Latin American brothers would have little to no impact only because they're not coming here to stay lol I have met some Venezuelans that have chosen to stay in Mexico, and believe it or not, almost all of them were doctors, lawyers and business man/woman over in Venezuela. They have a cool accent and are very polite but there was one time where we saw a lot of passer byes and it was sad. A whole week of sad faces and children that were passing through without a cent.
Comparing the situation of South Americans migrating to Mexico and Arabs and Africans migrating to Europe is like comparing an ant to an elephant. Just because they both end with "ant", doesn't mean they're at all comparable. I know Latinos don't like to be grouped together, you're all different nations. BUT you have common history, common ancestors and except for accents and some regional differences, common language (except for Brazil). Even Latinos coming to Europe would be more compatible than Arabs and Africans. And I'm not saying this to judge whether the Arabians and African migrant should or shouldn't be accepted to Europe. Just saying that these situations are incomparable.
@@Domihork That is true. Most Latinos speak Spanish or Portuguese and of course, a lot of Europeans speak Spanish because a lot of them like to vacation in Spain. The other main thing is that a majority of Latinos are of the catholic faith. And most would fit right in with other Europeans. The problem with those who are Arab and african is that they come from a different religion and some want sharia law. And most are economic migrants and young men.
During covid. Muslims can come in. No test etc. nothing required. Borders dont exist. I cant go to university. I cant visit my neighboring country even tho I have dual citizenship. I love the EU.
Because a lot of them are fleeing Warzones and/or genocide and government persecution. Meanwhile you're clearly well off enough to be able to go to University, your situations aren't really comparable? They walked hundreds if not thousands of miles with nothing while your bitching on your phone about something completely unrelated to them. Also the EU hasn't mandated lockdown in any nations, you not being able to go to University is the fault of your countries government, not the EU. Also what fucking country you live in which is still under lockdown?
@@noobplays-saslow2920 Syrians are refusing to go back to Syria by saying it's unsafe, yet has no problem going down on multiple vacations lasting months while living on welfare and refusing to work.
Tell that to all the Western European powers who are Destroying the country’s of these people from which they flea. The Middle East is the way it is now, because of America and Great Britain democracy spreading. And West African Migration, into Europe, is the fault of France. The French still practice colonialism with the Franc monetary System. Stop interfering in the country’s politics and overthrowing their elected Governments, cuz they don’t go along with what the West wants. You Created the problem, you Fix it.
Yes, you voted them in, you caused the problem, you are responsible for their actions. Avery one says politicians suck, well we’re do you think these so called politicians come from, they just don’t pop up from another membrane through another reality. They come from Western institutions: western schools, western businesses, western Churches and are elected by Westerners. When you have selfish ignorant citizens, their gonna elect, selfish ignorant leaders. Garbage in, and garbage out, this is what you produce. Take some responsibility.,
Angela Merkel didn't invite anyone. Due to the Orbán government's consious mishandeling of the refugee crisis and them sending over all people they didn't want to process, and it damaging EU stability she said 'wir shaffen das' wich means 'we can do this', meaning we should not fuck this up. The problem is that countries like Poland and Hungary didn't want to have a common refugee policy to have some relocated to their country because it isn't fair that Greece and Italy would have to process all of them, plus they refuced to abide by the agreements already in place, because chaos + brown people + scared white people = far right wing votes. This video said it all with direct speeches and policy. th-cam.com/video/a0g0BDEid8M/w-d-xo.html
I said it before, I will say it again, just leave them be, if they die out that is their problem, whoever is left will negotiate with them, if not just deny them any form of entrance, its simple, unless you all want to back to the colonial imperialistic era, make them second class citizens and keep them in work camps,
no it’s not that simple. EU needs labour and needs population growth. “shutting the door” does not stop the need for labour. EU should allow more people to regularly apply for residence and later citizenship. did you know that EU states are much more restrictive today than they were in the sixties in terms of immigration; seventy years ago immigrants entered France and West Germany at a rate of more than 1% of existing population each year, and they were there to work in a booming economy, and they themselves became part of the consumer base in that economy. In the sixties and seventies, blue collar jobs saw very healthy wage increases even though immigration was bigger than today. Today the rate of immigration into EU is less than 0.5% of existing population each year. There is still a strong demand for both blue collar labour as well as educated talent in Europe. The real effect of restrictive immigration policy is not that it stops immigration, but rather that it creates a second tier migrant worker who gets paid less and depresses the overall wages including for European born workers. On the other hand, the benefit of a more open immigration policy and a pathway to citizenship for immigrants is that the immigrant is no longer used to drive wages down, but instead all workers gain their bargaining power back and demand to earn as much as their labour is needed.
@@johnnysecular it is simple. All these "muh labour workers" will be replaced by AI robots within the next decades. What will u do with millions of useless humans?
@@nightprowler6336 do you even know what you’re saying? since the year 2000 in Europe there is a growing demand for manual and blue collar labour, not a decline. look at reality not at a fantasy in your head.
@@johnnysecular are u fucked in the brain? Do u even see how advanced technology has become? Corporations are investing in AI machines to replace workers in laborforce yet u cannot see that??
@@nightprowler6336 are you stupid? Do you have robot nurses? Or robot engineers or robot social workers Are you stupid? Do you think technology is Star Wars level currently?
Trump builds a wall and he's a villain, EU countries build walls no one seems to care. So is it who builds the wall or the wall that people get cross about ? Good video.
Pretty much look at Australia and how they deal with boat people. That would be trump's dream or look at how canada pretty much vets all refugees and they aren't allowed to ask for asylum at the US Canada border. That'd have been trumps dream and us mexico border. Trump is trash but basically wanted the US to have what a lot of the world has.
@@DavidJohnson-dp4vv If he stayed off Twitter I think people would've hated him way less. Not a good person, but not as bad as people like to hype it up.
@@shadowofhawk55 His ass would've never stayed off twitter. Dude is an ass but a good portion of the world would agree with 80% of his actual immigration policy.
Another great video, as has come to be expected here. Keep it up, you are one if not the single best sources to get information about europe and the EU.
as a refugee myself, I must admit that I came to this video with doubts but it proved to be quite informative and subjective and I agree with the majority of it. the comments are not that bad either which is surprising for TH-cam. keep the good work up :)
@@wiley2968 I answer lots of these questions on my tiktok, but I'll answer it here for you! I'm from Syria, came about 6 years ago in the Netherlands. The way to the Netherlands was rather... Lets say, not all too humane. But luckily I was able to recover from it physically and emotionally, with the help of awesome and welcoming people. Today the Netherlands is my home, where my friends, study, work and hobbies are. After living here for more than 5 years, I'm happy to walk around the town and see people I love, and greed them in our local language.
@@nariman_alizada. To be fair almost always was this. In Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, ethnic Poles were only 35-40% of entire population. If not ww2 and Holocaust there would be more jews in Poland than in todays Israel.
Migration. And I'm honestly not mad on those people. Earning minimum in england u earn more than in Poland. Earning minimum in Poland u earn more than in Ukraine. Everybody wants to get more money. The problem however is that for root citizens of that country minimum is not enough. And the employer wont raise the pay because he's got the migrants that will work for that minimum because thats enough for them in their country. So how to solve it? I would probably raise the rates and tax fees when u transfer money to another country so that working for them in our country becomes unprofitable. But that's probably really hard to achieve cause thats a lot of legislative and economics work so i dunno :/
@@lexon7vod Hmmm, I am Bulgarian who decided to live in France in order to get higher Education (top Master of Science degree) and few years of professional experience to higher the chances to get a well paid job after I leave France. This summer, after spending 3 weeks in Poland, I started planning to immigrate to Poland. I met 2 Italian immigrants who did the same and they do not regret it, they prefer Poland over Italy. I know that in Poland my salary will be lower than in France, but I fell in love with your country and countrymen(especially Gdansk). How do I count in your equation ? I don't think I am influenced by money to live in your country...
Frontex is a joke. Nobody takes them serious. The migrant boats from Libya or Turkey just sail around them and honk for a salute. Nobody is stopped at any border.
All of these comments. No one is talking about how these Arab migrants weren’t coming before the bombings of Syria and Iraq.. and these African migrants were much less before the taking out of Gaddifi.. who enforced his national borders that happen to be on the North African coast. Maybe we should focus on re-stabilizing these places. Migrants aren’t crossing through Egypt or Algeria and morroco is at least doing the best it can.
@@bastulainen Well I mean they literally can't on their own while us richer countries maintain the instability that causes migration so we definitely have a part to play. Not in the military intervention way necessarily as our track record isnt strong but we could divert our bomb money to hospitals and aid.
@@bastulainen you missed the point. Their countries were good. Our countries bombs made them bad. To make them better again would be to sacrifice their lifetimes, as well as the life times of their children. We should at least help them make the countries better again if we don't want them coming to our countries.. being that our countries are the whole reason their countries are now piles of ruble.
What is the problem with applying for asylum outside the EU? If the EU had facilities in Turkey, Lybia, Marocco, ect... That are safe and overseen by frontex, people could stay there while applying. They would be safe and when they are allowed inside they would have already all the paperwork (and they can even have language classes in there as a requirement for entering in certain countries). I don't understand the problem with that, sounds great for everyone involved!
because that will a be giving some neo colonial vibes to some people. b what will happen they are rejected that is now another country that has to deal with people rejected from the EU c how will you guarantee their continued willingness to help you. d. how will you stop them trying to use these migrant facilities as hostages to force concessions from Europe. etc. etc. there is no real easy way to achieve this as you're trying to make it seem.
@@abdiabdi3225 oh who cares whether or not it is colonialism. İt is threat to the Union . We should put mines and guns to Turkish borders and same for assylum seeking camps on north africa, guarded by guns and mines . And not let any fucking boot to arrive to EU .
One thing the video fails to mention is how terribly the migration was handled by the EU which lead to hundreds of thousands of immigrants and refugees staying in Greece, Italy and Spain. While Italy as a G7 country could handle it better Greece and Spain especially Greece which has a weaker economy struggled a lot to keep these refugees and promised economic support by the Eu for the crisis failed to materialize in the extent needed.
First thank you for that video it's very insctructive, although i wanted to add more details to the "safe country" migration problem. As an Algerian migrant myself, considering algeria as safe is true, but it undermines the other aspects of a social agent: ambitions, economical security and the willing to learn The problem to algeria's migration problem is the lack of a prosper future there. Our political system is stuck because we mainly get scared of any change because of the dark years of terrorism during the 90's (Also called the dark decade), so the political system doesn't change, as the economy also get stuck and you can only work either for public sector (which holds a major parts of the job market) or a few businesses but which are very unstable, because corrupt. We have corrupt leaders, mostly corrupted by EU businesses (we can cite the ENI italian scandal in Algeria), which means taking any initiative is nearly impossible if you don't befriend a corrupt "sponsor" who will get you investment for any business, except that it's nearly impossible to start any business with no sponsor or very few startup money, even working the public offers is difficult because the commissions select mainly their "friends" wether for big housing projects or any public transportation project ...etc All of this combined with a very weak economical system based on exports of gas and oil, makes a very unstable basis. We produce very few goods, and we have a large number of young workforce qualified + unqualified. The consequences of this are that a lot of qualifed migrants come to europe to seek better jobs and a better education. And for the non-qualified migrants who do not hold any degree, they come to seek a better life, better salaries, mostly for their kids if they have some, because they want security, prosperity and a long term vision for their life which Algeria does not offer. And when algerians have tried to change the political system through peaceful protestation, which would have openned some opportuinities (whatever the future political system would be : liberal/directed) they had NO support from any EU leader whatsoever, so the algerian political system took the oportunity and raised the terrorist and islamist threat again against its population (which is by the way real, at least for the islamist part, but they had no support from the population this time, and with a better education system would never have had any support) The migration problem is often presented by the EU perspective, but never through the migrants point of view. EU, could help stopping their businessman corrupting the african leaders and weakening their political system, so that a new generation and a new political system emerges, and an economic growth in africa means less need to migrate, except for those who wants because there'll be no point for borders if all countries were economically equal. But they won't, it threatens the energy and mineral sector imports, for example if algeria would produce their own product they will prioritize algerian manufactures for oil and gas before exporting them to europe or elsewhere. And same for any african country with a lot of natural ressources. The migration problem is very complex and involves a lot of geo politics, and also local politics to the countries which sees its population flee, for whatever reason. Even the intra-euro migration is sometimes linked to the purchasing power and to seek better salaries at some countries (i think of the french to germany workforce migration for exemple), i think if the EU takes the time to really study deeply the problem before taking decisions they can come up with ideas that will help the whole world, and there will be no need for any border then (i know it's more complex than that, but it's my hope) Thank you a lot
@@abaraviciusdominykas4584 it's not us who took the decisions, the corrupt leaders are corrupted by EU businessmen, the root of the problem is the European economic growth is tight to africa's ressources, if we were to produce cars for exemple, we wouldn't have any interest in selling oil and gas to European countries. Macroeconomics explain this phenomenons very deeply. About the cultural, part, it's a non problem honestly, i grew up there, i have an algerian culture, i changed nothing in my way of living and most Europeans think i'm european too, it's mostly because of assumptions and stereotypes that you think our cultures are very different, except i bet you come to Algeria and you're very welcome to visit (though i'm in Europe too), but you'll see that there are good and bad in our society, and most algerian i know are very transparent and quiet in the Europe societies, i know what kind of immigrants you're talking about, i assure you even in algeria they're marginalized and they represent a very small number compared to the total number of north African immigrants, we mostly pay our taxes. To prove you that an article from the french secretary of economy have shown that immigration costs nearly 0eu to France because most immigrants pay there taxes, and honestly even as a no. European, as far as i know my taxes help kids to have free schooling, free healthcare and all, i'm proud to pay taxes not as European but in a more altruistic point of view, my taxes help this community whatever there values and culture is, to grow into a more equal society. So, we as immigrants are very proud actually to be accepted into the EU, we didn't come hating anyone, we grew up with french movies, and uk's sit-coms, we mostly came happily and immigration is not easy, to quit your parents, your friends, don't take that as if we came to invade, it's way more complex than that, and we want to live in peace with native europeans, it's not true to think migrants want something more, we want to be treated as humans too, equally, and by dignity. So the problem is very deeply tide to how the world of economic got too complex, and it's nearly impossible for Europe and impoppular to think cutting jobs, to get them in Africa so the countries could be equal and solve the migration problem, you loose something to get something, money and ressources are not infinite, everything is finite, and can cause to Europe a decline if they stop importing resources and let an economic growth happen in Africa. So "decorrupting" our leaders is a very difficult equation that can cause huge economical crises
@@chekbo44 Always blaming others for corruption in Africa. Every countries have corruption at some degrees just look at China. They put death sentence to corrupt leaders and they still have lots of corruption. But still their gouvernement know how to make the country wealthier by investing in knowledge, industries, manufacture. Algeria like any arabs/muslim countries DON’T HAVE INDUSTRIES/MANUFACTURE because the gouvernement and the population don’t care, they don’t like education, having knowledge about economics, science, technology...THEY PREFER MEMORIZING QURAN that can’t help the economy....have lots of kids they can’t feed nor disciplined..... Rich gulf countries are rich thanks to oil, once oil run out, they would be just as poor as other countries. Even rich arabs with tons of money don’t have knowledge to create industries, manufacture. Which means even if Algeria have tons of money they wouldn’t be able to build their own industries.
@@YouYou-sm8tf i'm not blaming anyone, i'm even citing known scandals that are scandalous in algeria but never get to western medias, So saying we blame others for corruption all the time and that all countries are corrupt, is very neglecting the context and the history. As for muslims, your citing a stereotype, just look for the medieval age of islam, it was a very developed civilization, and that proves religion have nothing to do with regression or development, it's the economical context of the time that made them a rich civilization (mostly through commercial routes) Of course, we're in a new era in which the western civilization is more modern and that's okay it's how humankind evolved. But, now we need modern thinking and modern systems to rethink the economy of the world, and creating a moral and ethical economic ecosystem worldwide. Western countries depend tightly on africa's ressources, and they can't afford letting an industry emerging there without loosing their economical growth, just take a look at business relocation of industries in countries where the work force costs less, of where the infrastructure for transportation of ressources costs less, mostly in asia. European countries loose potential employment for that, and its reason is the exploitation of foreign workforce for less costs. It's the same with African countries except, it's on the ressources side. And i can assure you i know very well the algerian context, people i know personally tried to build up industries from 1962 (independence year) but they failed each time because of corruption and foreign interventions which have worsen the situation, (citing the french-algerian crisis of 1992) In conclusion, blaming or not blaming is not the question here, but climbing the tree of causes which has as its consequence the migration situation is very important to find a solution. At some point if we answer to economical problems with : some people will die out of hunger, and that's okay I believe that we're better than that as humans, and that we can evolve as better societies together if we all collaborate on making the world a better place, instead of competing with one another and hating the other cultures without even getting to know them in person
@@chekbo44 The problem is that being rich in medieval is super easy compared to being rich in XXI century. In 2021 to be rich you can't just wage wars, build strong military and terrorize others, but you need to educate people, build factories, etc. Of course Quran has something to do with it, it's not an accident that there is no rich muslim country except for oil exporters. Too much religion, too little science and that's the result you got, lots of corruption, law based on religion books and mass emmigration to regions that have a different apporach. Also problem is that even when people go from their corrupted countries, they still try to impose their rules from those countries. So they still want to live by Sharia Law, rip off rights from woman, etc. And when west tried to help those countries by giving them free market and democracy (Iraq, Afganistan) few years pass and people still go back to Quran, religious state and ban woman from attending school, and then blame Europe.
@Nemusis 999 hello, well i did and i confronted corrupt people that were being corrupted for occidental interests, so i did try but your leaders corrupt ours for your benefits And if we try to change our leaders your leaders sell weapons to ours to reprehend the peaceful protesters So, i have to share the same society with you in order to enjoy economical prosperity and to protest against the root of the corruption of our leaders which comes from ... The occidental world, hopefully most of us are peacefully angry, and i am a strong believer in diplomatic work to resolve political conflicts, but in the meantime we will need to come to Europe to live a decent life because your prosperity depends on our lands and resources and since it's not infinite, we'll have to share the same land were the most of the economical activity is in the world... So, i hope you understand that you need to vote for leaders of yours who will work with us in order to have a more fair world instead of far right leaders who despise us
Instead of accepting economic migrants and to a lesser degree war refugees (very very very very against economic migrants) the West should be beefing up foreign aid. I am all for investment in the third world, however you want to describe it. Build alliances, build up nations, make this world a better place. But if a civil war happened in Canada, I would fight. I would fight and die fighting. I have no sympathy for the men fleeing, women and children are another story. Their problem is not ours but I will gladly watch my tax dollars go to help them, if they truly want to help themselves. That means, fighting for their country and I will fund that. No man should be fleeing. Every man fleeing, is deplorable. My grandfather and his siblings did not flee the Nazi's and today, Poland lives.
"We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal". Karl Popper, a wise man
That seems to be impossible when Europe made the whole world for Europeans! Every single border in the world was drawn or influenced by Europeans. Many recourse rich countries are now poor because of European looting. These migrants also lived in peaceful places till Europe came to civilise them and forced people that don’t go together in the same place! Whoever tries to fix their situation has to deal with America. So they’re just stuck in these problems originally made by European greed so I think Europeans specially uk and france (and usa) should either fix these problems or deal with their consequences!
That seems to be impossible ever since Europeans made the whole world for Europeans. You can easily travel to Africa and have more rights than the natives in there since your ancestors drew those borders and your soldiers + usa fight to keep these countries in favour of your interests
@@staticshockk WTF are you talking about? Europe is for europeans, Asia is for asians, Africa is for africans rest of the continents are probably for everyone. I mean Americas for natives but it is impossible to kick out other races and nations. So what is wrong saying Europe is for europeans? I am from asian country and I agree Asia is for asians. It is not like other people will be banned, no tourism, foreign stidents and foreign workers are welcomed but not whole ass mass migration.
Migration its a problem if let all people cross the borders, we have to open the door only to coutrys with our colture or who want adapt to our colture, its a fact
I don't think EU countries should be asking for permission to send unapproved asylum seekers back they should just do it, it makes the whole system pointless when anyone that arrives here gets to stay whether approved or not.
This is honestly the best video on migration policy in Europe I've seen, and it definitely remains fair to both sides, while pointing out exactly what the problems are. My only problem is that the EU agreement countries have a different color on the map from the color of the legend text at 6:25 (the text is yellow, the map color is orange...).
Europe could help fund and organize free city states on the coast of Africa, entirely for migrants, that way they could build their own homes and infra whit the help of western countries and whitout the corruption and islamic nonsense they are basically escaping. That way they wouldent need to integrate and their boredom could be harnessed for their own wellbeing. Also Europe wouldent need to take them in to burden a already ailing social system. How expensive could it be to build acity for say 5-10 milion ppl, whit basically free labour... It could be made technologycally advanced and green and all that jazz, let googel or ikea do some exclusive deal. Also tax those mega corps ffs
The only thing is that "asylum centers" outside of the EU are already impossible due to different reasons as instability in the Middle East and that not everyone can come at the same place anyway
Short Version , system is overwhelmed and easily abused. "Irregular economic immigrants " Like callin a Home burglar is a "Irregular House Guest." Good Grief. 🙄
One has to ask why these economic welfare seekers don't try working hard and building up their own homelands. Is there a problem why so many cowardly young men fled Syria - leaving behind their wives, and children instead of fighting for them?!
Last comment screams of a trust fund baby or a sugar baby, whom never had to work for a living. In either case it's pointless to reason with such individuals as they are clueless to worldly problems. LMAO
I literally live in a third world country with a drug war going on i know what its like here lol every Filipinos dream was to just leave, as a result 11 million Filipinos are abroad because there's no solution but to just leave. I doubt you'd also stay here because there's literally no chance of having a livable wage here, you'd also leave. Same thing if you were born Syrian, you'd definitely leave, because if you are to choose between life and death and to also feeding your family, you'd also leave. Fighting to your death in a conflict riddled with foreign powers will make no difference, as if you dying doing the biddings of Putin, ISIS, Hezbollah, Al Shabbab, Turkish backed mercs, Peshmerga or FSA would resolve the conflict. If there's no one willing to fight for a radical idea they'll fool no one to fight for their cause.
Boo who, lots of people have trouble but yet they work hard and build a life. For 20 years the USA and the EU poured billions into Iraq and Afghanistan and for 20 years the people did nothing to build their own homeland up. The same goes for the Philippines stop making excuses, put down you phone and work to make the Philippines great. A little hard work will not hurt you.
In Finland majority wants immigrants, but also majority is against immigration from 3rd world countries 😅 This is only because Sweden fucked up their migration policies so badly.
Thing is, these migrants won't have the $$ to make a good living and actually afford children. So the cycle repeats. edit: Unless it doesn't repeat and the country get's downgraded.
No. It's the political ideology that implies "we" have a moral obligation to help those in need. Especially, since we can apparently afford it. The whole "birthrates" thing, is relatively new and a fallacy added later to the arguments.
@@Biru_to Except we don't have that moral obligation whatsoever. Every country has that obligation. Just because most don't give a shit, doesn't mean Europe has to be the orphanage of the world.
Birthrate doesn't matter, immigration from outside Europe generates net loss in money, so not only it doesnt solve demographic problem but it increases it, young folks are still taking more in handouts and free housing than giving to state in taxes.
Those countries at our frontier should have the final say, not moralists far detached from what our people want. In the end those voices count, not a piece of paper that is against our interests to keep these humans out.
Yes!!! It's not that women do not want to stay home, it's that it's difficult to stay home. Making sure that we have great schools and great programs for children is necessary for increasing the birth rate. Mothers need less stress. If more families can afford children, then we will see more children. It's so sad to walk around the city and see the once "children ridden streets" lifeless.
This has nothing to do with less childbirth though lmao, it's just kids prefer to play video games inside nowadays rather then go outside , not a lack of parents causing it.
This urgently needs to change. All member states should contribute to the outer borders, and illegals should be deported without delay. Also, given the changing geopolitical and economic situation, we also need to cut back on asylum and foreign aid.
I’m European, i’m in favor of closing the external borders. We should aid them in their countries with food and development funds but the aid should only go to countries that collaborate in the repatriation of illegal migrants. The only migrants coming from outside Europe should be highly skilled people that would easily find a job.
@Jan West They were powerless and couldn't stop European immigrants, and so they lost their lands. We instead could easily stop immigration or greatly reduce it if our countries really wanted to do it. And we should do so.
@@МиколаРиндя If they are from an Eu country they are welcome. We had a lot of problems with massive immigration from eastern europe after the EU expansion, but most of them by now have jobs and are well integrated. But migrants from Africa, the middle east etc. are very difficult to integrate and build their own enclaves instead. Look at what happened in France with the banlieu, every country should learn a lesson and avoid that mistake.
The problem is that developing the fundamental economy of African countries would make us considerably poorer - do you think a well-off Nigeria would sell us their oil for peanuts? I don't think so.
They did not just let them in, they did the dick move and just redirected the flow to other EU members like Croatia and Austria making it there problem, this is just pethetic and the oppisite of solidarity to other EU members and the european values they preach about
I mean Poland let the asylum seekers in, most of them came from Afghanistan just recently. But there is a difference between them and people that are currently trying to cross Polish-Belarusian border, the difference is that those people applied for it in Polish embassy in Afghanistan and were accepted, the people on the border aren't even coming from Afghanistan, most of them are from Sri Lanka and Nigeria.
@@KoRbA2310 yea i know. This migrants are used as weapons by Belarus and this needs to be stoped. What Belarus is doing is unethical and disgusting using people as weapons just bargen with the EU and just because I'm pro-Immigration does not mean that I accept bullshit like this. P.s. I don't want to attack you with this I just want to say my opinion on Belarus tactics
They're not allowing it though, they're actively trying to stop it, but currently can't stop all of it. Last year 23.000 of these people tried to cross, but only some actually managed.
A good idea in principle. Unfortunately, we have to change the UN charta for human rights to achieve this. But you're right, beeing forced to accept any asylum seeker from anywhere on the planet creates big problems. So we should definitely go in more detail regarding their status (war refugee, religious refugee, etc.), to reduce exploids. Another problem would be costal areas without direct neighgoring nations. Do they have to accept refugees coming by the sea from any nearby coastal nation?
Is absurd that EU has to be blackmailed by Turkey and Belarus with human lives.
Humans haven't really changed since thousands of years. We only lie to ourselves that we changed.
@@George-Chris mhmm the scale has certainly changed. You seem to be unaware of how extremely terrible humanity history has been and just how much less it is now.
And morocco
evil has no morale, and knows no bounds
@@Laroac the scale changed only for now. But our brains haven't evolved much and most of us are still capable of killing or greatly hurting fellow humans, unfortunately. Just look at how many millions of people play shooting video games and they enjoy shooting at other virtual humans.
Or just think back in the past: when there was peace wasn't everyone thinking that "I won't kill or hurt another human being ever", or "fuck war"?
If we agree to have no internal borders and only shared external borders then I think its only fair that the external borders are maintained by all member states. Furthermore, since there will always be some migrants or refugees to make it into Europe, all member states should proportionally contribute in their resettlement or deportation, so that its not just the responsibility of Italy, Spain, Greece, etc.
Having each individual member control the external borders is too chaotic, more power should be placed with Frontex to simplify the process.
@@muninnsays9296 yea thats what im saying
@@muninnsays9296 It's exactly the opposite. Can you imagine Spanish or Irish guard control in Eastern Poland swampy forests during winter? Don't think so.
We should also look into the external migration centers be abuse the main issue with migration is not processing, it’s returning non-eligible migrants back home because their native countries don’t cooperate.
@@djmacieg of course I can imagine that, it’s not like they’re living in the swamp itself, and the majority of Polish people live in the cities, not swamp. So what makes Polish people supposedly better at policing the border there than an Irishman or Spaniard? Frontex offers greater communication ability and has greater access to resources.
Your country is your home, you don't just let anyone in without knowing who they are and what they plan to do.
Couple weeks ago one of those morocan migrants crashed a car agains people having a drink outside a restaurant in Murcia, Spain. This is what happens when everybody is allowed to enter.
Ok. So what do you do? Everyone talks about border control but no one gives a half intelligent idea about how to really make it happen 🤣😅🤣
@@Pixtel1 morrocans have lived in spain for centuries, ironically tho back when you could travel between morroco and spain without any visa requiremenys and border control you had a lot fewer immigrants settling.
@@innocento.1552 simply patrol hotspot areas at the border.
@@mdpete4071 and when they cross into your territory and you get them? Do you know that you cannot send back an immigration according to international law?
The EU needs a young workforce that will work so old people will recieve retirement money.
But instead of creating fair work enviroments and fair wages so young people would be able to start their own families they invite illegal undocumented people who don't speak our languages and most aren't willing to work and are living of welfare.
So true
@@piotrwarzynski9221 and € is set to 2-3% inflation per year to encourage people in investing, but many people can barely make it through the month because they've to work for the minimum wage and even 200€(as an example) above the minimum wage doesnt get you much after you pay the tax, maybe you can save up for a decent PC in a year.
and every time i se the EU being mad about things like islamophobia,equal rights... while they're literally brining back serfdom. they're encouraging renting instead of building or buying, they're not building anything at all. there are people who people didn't voted for or how else did something like von der leyen get where its today and just look how much she earns. 350k per year and she probably has some side business since she had enough money to invest. and now imagine al the other hundreds in the european parlament, and their assistens, party members who're getting paid without contributing anything while you've people working for a multi million company but earning the minimum wage. and then you also have native politicans, who hopped on the greed train to enrich themselves. They're literally behaving like patricians and treating us like plebs.
Most migrants i know are very hard working and genuinely want to improve their lives but i guess they didn't comd illegally so i can't speak for all of them. The underlying issue here is the falling birthrate and that there should be more incentives for parents to have kids or else there wouldn't be such a demographic crisis happening right now.
maybe better to let eastern europeans to be that workforce, we here mentally almost same with west ones
Traitors lead us
Why we in Europe need to help everyone in the world? We shoud focus of Europe and our citizents.
The left agenda
Because you guys like to talk big about freedom and shit of other countries
Absolutely. We European citizens are seen as third class citizens in our own countries.
You should and you should stop the Europe's involvement in african countries, many prop up dictators, kill and destroy opposition on their behalf, particularly the French in exchange for resources. In somalia the eu blocked one man one vote, keeps upholding an arms ban so we can't even defend ourselves from foreign sponsored terrorists, lots our seas for fish and dumps nuclear waste in our waters. They recently support America and britains coup against a populist president who was rebuilding the national army. European countries fund different regions in the country propping up warlords. All this to loot all of the natural resources we have, you must stop being brainwashed by thing you are helping, you are looting and everyone suffers including regular European citizens other than the elite who benefit. I do think eu needs to sanction north african countries who refuse to take back migrants. Even in all the mess somalia is in we take back everyone
What makes not being European not deserving of wellbeing, human rights and freedom?
How can people like you complain about accusations of racism when you openly declare that people should only care about others for having the same ethnicity as them?
This is the logic of Showa Japan, where everyone else can suffer except Japanese people.
Europe needs to protect the external borders. All EU member states need to contribute to a unified migration policy, with asylum applications being processed outside the EU, and only if the application is accepted by a member state, then the refugee can move to that state. Finally Frontex needs more power and budget to keep the external borders strong.
And they need to use force. Morality is subjective and EU cannot keep being the hypocritical hallmark of goodness when they sponsor and allow the Iraq invasion for example. If they actually used force, and even deadly force, to uphold the law, then migrants would think twice.
Don’t need anything except NO.
The most logical and simple solution is to stop accepting asylum seekers. Residency only for citizens and (skilled) migrants. Build camps in regions with war, famine or other problems. Deport anyone illegally crossing the EU border. It saves an incredible amount of money, solves new cultural conflicts and gives clarity to those who think they want to come to the EU. There are many ways to help people, most don't include inviting them to live in your house.
no migrant will wait for these bureaucrats, it may take years for them to accept, so they take the risk and run to EU like that!
@@TheBooban why no?
As much as I would like to help we have to realize that European resources are not endless and people who don't respect European values, like women are equal to men, should not be accepted by any means. EU is a collection of states that share the same values. Those values cannot be undermined at any price.
@@ahmadalzlfawi4026 No, only the aging liberal feminist women without children want immigrants, the rest of us don't want them. Let them help their aging people back in their own countries. You talk like as if immigrants don't age, stay and build your own fuckin countries
@@ahmadalzlfawi4026 If people from.Africa and ME will still coming in even more numbers they will end with the same fate as older brothers in faith in 40s or as ME farmers 3k years before Christ.
@@ahmadalzlfawi4026 And that is the reason why i started to vote right parties instead left - no social support to anyone.
hey what do you think of the comment made by NW objecting to the economic importance of immigration? he also left a comment saying that European women who don’t have any children should not receive a pension. Is this aligned with European values? Or should we ban him from the EU?
@UC2T2K9fSbl56TZzlxzcr4Bw what a ridiculous statement. Many EU countries are on the top of the innovation index as well as some of the highest in how much they spend on R&D. EU countries are leading innovation in finance, digitalization, space exploration, science, crypto currency, privacy technology, e-finance....And more pecifically agro-technological innovation (Netherlands are the top of the world) or France with Nuclear energy, or Germany which is the top in manufacturing innovation...The EU is the undisputed leader in green technology and its wide soread implementation....
Tech companies like facebook and Google are not the only type of innovation, in fact they are only the most visible. Regardless, the only reason the EU doesnt have any tech giants like the US and China is because their market is not unified. The EU is a feee trade block, but each country still has its own, largely self-contained markets. The EU is currently working on a unified tech market that will allow European tech companies access to the whole EU.
Also, I am soo tired of this aging/ falling population argument. Populations naturally regulate themselves and when a population begins to decline it means that there something wrong in the population structure or society. Currently all EU countries are overpopulated. This is causing severe economic strain and rising property prices, making life difficult for the young workers. Allowing tbe population to deflate to a more natural level is far better for the future of the EU and its countries. It will lead to a drop in GDP, and on paper the economic might of the EU decrease, however in the long run it will improve economic conditions and drop prices and increase wages. Right now too many people are competing for jobs, which allows employers to pit job applicants against eachother and take the one who is willing to take a lower pay. All you need to do is look at the productivity vs wages statistics for the last few decades in Wester Europe. Productivity (how much companies and the country can produce) has increased at a steady pace, but wages have not moved much, especially in Real terms. This is while inflation (due to productivity growth) has also risen, meaning thag today the young have more and more difficulty buying and renting apartments and are stagnation in terms of life quality.
The solution to this problem is not to ignore that we are over populated and try to force/ artificially grow the population by bringing in people who do not understand our culture. This will only make it worse. Not only does this mean that there will be more problems and clashes between migrants (who also have their own values and culture) and natives, but it will also cause worse economic conditions.
I'm a Somali living in Somalia. I can tell you migration policies of the western countries do a lot of harm to the poor countries. For example my country lost and it is still losing a lot of professionals and skilled labor to rich countries. Which is very sad.
That's the ones that are invited to Europe. Brain drain has nothing to do with this topic. Rich western nations of course want the engineer who's education was paid for by somalia. Whom they don't want are the people that actually need help. And it's BY DESIGN.
We have brain drain even from Poland.
This has happened or is happening in "rich" countries too. Millions of people (car technicians, electricians, doctors etc.) from Ukraine migrated to Poland. Millions of Poles migrated to UK, Germany and USA. There is almost always a "richer" country that will drain skilled (and young) workers. From looks of it salary and cost of living in Somalia is similar to west europe....
And well, if you are at your home and someone wants to come, you can be picky who you let in. And given the choice between someone educated, who will work and pay taxes, vs. someone unskilled who you will have to help, the choice is obvious.
Eastern European countries also have a lot of brain drain.
Many Finns are moving to USA because there high educated jobs pay 3x more than here.
I was shocked when my American friend said how he earns more at UPS storage without education, than someome earns in Finland after getting a job after University.
This is also reason why Finnish system is on verge of collapse. No one wants to do hard Education requiring jobs, because payment is just so ridiculously small. Even educated immigrants avoid Finland.
"Broken?" It overwhelmed and destroyed
Merkel broke it
Bullshit
"Irregular" is the euphemism, not the other way around... not only they are entering the sovereign countries against the law, but many use to do it using physical violence against law enforcement border officers, and later against the peaceful citizens.
Recognizing this, is the must in order to start setting up order in that mess
actually, entering a country's borders in order to seek asylum is legal. you can't really say "against the law". their stay becomes illegal if they stay in the country despite having received a decision that their asylum application has been denied
@@ahmadalshehabi1138 but someone who crosses through iran, turkey, lebanon, greece, Kosovo, Bosnia, Serbia is not a refugee. Only a small percentage of people coming are refugees. Crossing Turkey disqualified you from refugee status. Its much worse when the cross other European countries.
Ahmad Al Shehabi why don't you go to a rich Muslim country???????? STOP INVASION OF EUROPE
@@Victoria-rl4cu because I like invading Europe. It's very popular nowadays
Why do you persist in calling them "irregular" migrants when the correct term is illegal
You're illegal
Not in all cases.
Under international law, people have a right to enter the nearest safest country without a visa to ask aslyum. And whether Lybia or Egypt are "safe" under the definition provided by international law would be debatable is one was feeling charitable.
@@pixelghostclyde8717 International law is made up, and not a divine system instructed upon humans by some kind of god. You can simply decide not to take part in it. The EU accepting whatever kind of refugees is putting social and physical harm upon itself, and should be stopped. Accepting any kind of refugees should only been seen as charitable, and never as any kind of right or obligation.
@@Biru_to "International law is made up, and not a divine system" Ok, so who said it was? There is obviously a sensible position between "accepting any kind of refugees" and "not allowing any kind of refugees". Stop strawmanning people to enforce your argument. It's bad style.
@@thiscommentsdeleted What is sensible about accepting refugees? It's ideological and charitable, it doesn't "make sense", it's an opinion if it is "sensible". Letting a homeless man sleep in your house because he could otherwise freeze to death in the cold night might "make sense", he might also stab you and your family to death in the middle of the night.
Migrants aren't suffering. I'm paying for them, while I see fellow countrymen left on the streets, without anyone caring for them! I see my country piling up debt and increasing the numbers of immigrants who cost the state more than they pay in taxes. My children's children will have to pay for the sins of today! I had a friend of mine sexually abused by a Syrian who was defended by another woman because he was "traumatized"! It's not migrants suffering at our hands. It's us suffering at their's!
Thats an unfair generalization. Yes there are problems. But Migrants are as all humans individuals and you shouldn't blame all of them for the mistakes of a few. Anyhow these problems exist and politics should find a way to provide saftey to its citizens while also respecting human rights of everybody.
@@Micha-qv5uf to be fair though, there is a highly significant divergence in crime rates between citizens and foreigners. That's just a fact. Talking this down won't do you any good, and don't be surprised at the next wave of populism. This could've been addressed a long time ago. I remember this exact same discussion from the time of the Yugoslav wars. The fallout of that is still felt in the receiving nations, like mine, I and literally ALL of my friends have had so much goddamn troubles with the lot, fights, stabbings, rapes, I know exactly what's coming from first hand. I wouldn't hesitate to avert this same scenario at almost any cost, I'd push a few innocents back into the med without hesitation. And the sheer numbers involved of coming waves don't make me optimistic. How many do you want to take? There's hundreds of millions of those unfortunates, there is literally no end to this. We already have high numbers of maladjusted foreigners here, and goddamn, I like my culture and people, I don't want any change really, and I sure as hell don't want to change my ways. Why tf would I? I pay taxes here, so I get a say what's being done with it.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 The problem is that the human rights solution is way too generous or too big on generalization. Or our "woke" interpretation of such. A war refugee should only be able to apply for asylum in a neighboring country, not anywhere on the planet as they feel like. Only this makes sense and doesn't create such a chaos, that we're witnessing. If such neigbours are beeing overwhelmed by numbers, then they should find other solutions through individual contracts with migrant accepting nations, but again only with asylum rights in the neighbour country, third countries have to accept them based on local migration laws. The individual refugee should also be able to apply for citizenship in a country that they wish to go for through local embassies. But not based on asylum rights, but again on migration laws. It's getting more complicated with other types of refugees, like religious minorities. But I favor a solution based on neighbour countries for those too. This would stop endless waves of migrants from far away origins, due to them always beeing stranded in a neighbour country.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 For some reason my comment disappeared. I will say it shorter. You said: "there is a highly significant divergence in crime rates between citizens and foreigners". That is correct but the reasons for that are various and complicated and do not always derive from cultural background but bad migration policy. if you're allowed to stay here but not allowed to get a job, what else can you do but try to sustain yourself through criminal means? You need to differentiae problems and take a close look to the reasons instead of fighting the symptoms by simply being against migration in general.
@@Micha-qv5uf look, believe it or not, but everyone understands that perfectly fine. The issue also isn't petty theft in grocery stores, or even a little drug dealing on the side to afford winter clothing, is it? And you know that, so don't come at me with sustenance issues, which btw. in the developed world don't really exist. Except of course with illegal migrants which can't access the system.
Now, what you allude to is a very real question but that happens for a reason, and that reason isn't racism. The reason is that you displace local low wage workers and increase overall downward pressure on salaries. That's why you don't just have an open labor market. The same goes for the housing market. Suddenly adding 5, 10 or even more percent population in a few short years puts enormous strain on the housing market. And that doesn't even include language training, job training, cultural integration, crime issues... Because that cost a whole lot of money. Mind you, those people haven't paid one dime in ts rs, but those who did now have to contend with a multitude of increased pressures? That is also a very real thing.
Also, the people who are oh so welcoming don't invite those migrants into their upscale neighborhoods or schools, not even in their fancy little restaurants or bars, and certainly not to date their daughters. Lefties more often than not are in fairly protected jobs in either the education sector, government, and other well compensated stuff like that where they don't have to compete with this labor pool, and they sure as hell don't deal with the fallout of immigration in the streets. That's the local poors who have to compete and get caught in the crossfire, and ultimately pay the price. And then going and calling them uneducated, racist or deplorables or whatever will yield exactly the results you see now. I mean, if you want solidarity it should extend to everyone, but you and I both know that that isn't the case, because a good portion of the population apparently feels left out and now votes against the system. Make of that what you want.
The big issue after that is the fact that they do not desire to adapt to the culture of the country they go. That's why it create so much issues.
Sweden and the amounts of rapes the last few years, bombing and decapitating in France/Belgium. etc etc.
"Not all" i know that but it's part of their culture war against ours. These people needs to understand our rules, laws and all.
Now let's not forget about something important here; the countries they come from.
Those countries needs to step-up against ideologies and be more Democratic.
We all can agree that they need help but at one point if the EU countries have already issues to allocate houses, jobs and money for theirs owns, what those migrants expect?
That's for me is something that i can't understand, we are creating more issues than solving them.
By design my friend, a country that is divided and people suspicious of each other are easier to control and manipulate. It's all about staying in power regardless of the consequences because they won't be affected by local issues on the ground, they are protected by their wealth.
@@plummetplum a non-cohesive society is not easier for a government to control, instability breeds protests and the rise of violent militias, which any government would prefer not to have. The EU just handled their migration policy like dogshit and countries that are geopolitically opposed to them are taking advantage of it.
There needs to be more research done into this. For instance, do they not adapt because they refuse to adapt, or because they do not have the means to adapt (cultural studies, learning the language, associations to help them etc.). Furthermore, when they refuse to adapt to the culture, what aspects of the culture they are not adapting too? What do they need to do to show their adaptation?
Not just that, do their children have proper schooling? The children of migrants have the best chance to adapt. If they have proper schooling and live with the children of the host country, the second-generation migrants will become first-generation citizens.
Then again, there is also the question whether EU should be doing more to invest and help out migrant countries. Who wants to migrate if their country is not a shithole? Migrants would not migrate if their country isn't such a mess.
Well said. Coming from Greece we know the problem and the most annoying thing is being blamed as well from safe countries that our rules are hard. Hypocrites. EU is made for 2-3 countries and the rest serve them. A disgrace.
Without Germanys Money you werent able to handle anything. German Money Safed the greeks. So please, be quiet.
@@-AlbrechtvonWallenstein-
still it doesnt mean that an individual can no longer express himself based from his nationality. Germany didn't buy any ''right to speak'' from any nation.. or I am wrong? I think that a nation in bad shape as Greece has the right to have a voice on its migration policies without being blamed harshly if little or nothing is done to help .. at least for now.
@@GB-ko8cv i agree but to say "the EU is made for 2-3 countries and the rest Serve them" is totally wrong.
@@-AlbrechtvonWallenstein- you right, thats totally wrong. Its more a problem of low collaboration (in immigration policy).
@@-AlbrechtvonWallenstein- let me guess,you took that info from the memes or from what everyone is saying on the internet without any sort of proof
ps: it's saved not safed
Europe should only let in migrants that can work in jobs that Europeans don't do, and only for a few years and giving citizenship only to the best ones. If we don't do this soon we will have a European Union in which the European population is the minority.
Europe. For. Europeans.
Lololol citizenships 🤣 I’m sorry but no immigrants has ever gotten citizenship, only in the UK. The rest of EU is extremely strict on citizenships, they don’t give passports to children born there. The fear of being replaced is baseless, immigrants only work there and citizenship is usually taken after generations.
@@jolinejoline2471 AHAHAHAHAHAH WHAAAAAT i know many people who have gotten citizenship in Italy just because they were born here with immigrant parents. All you said is wrong, the population of Sweden is 10 million and the non Swedish population is 2 million. The fear of being replaced is full of bases
@@jolinejoline2471 Germany does give passports to all children beeing born here, unless you refuse that option. The nationality of their parents doesn't matter. I don't know any other EU member who does this differently.
revenge for the americas, you guys deserve it
@@dnocturn84 this is very bad
It's ridiculous. Not only this but a lot of people are unable to criticize the immigration system as soon as persons of color are involved. Just like a lot of people are able to criticize toxic ideas when it comes from the church but never when it comes from islam, which our society wasn't even built with and is much more far away culturally speaking. Douglas Muray's "the strange suicide of Europe" has never been so relevant.
We should do it anyway! Tell the truth, speak out LOUD! Call things by it's name!!!
The thing about the Church and Islam is ludicrous.
We Muslims teach our ways which we have been told by the Quran 1400 years ago. The Quran remains the same way, text by text.
You Christians mix tradition with religion, and you bend yourselves and your values, but no, you are corrupted.
The Church is corrupted, and that's a fact. Islam does not have nothing to do with that.
Europe is going to become foul 8n a couple of decades.
S9 don't blame us, blame your fundamentally broken families and legal system. Fix your problem with drugs. Fix the problem with your son's being addicted to random girls online. Fix your problem with your sons becoming gay.
@@sm3675 though islam is a good religion why Muslim majority countries are in war or either have bad economic because people either bend rules of Islam or just do it literally like Afghanistan which is war country but with to more people culture which in majority mulim culture they take from Islam so don't talk about church if mostly christian countries are taking refguess giving them food and treating them better than their own country which is rules by mulims
@@sm3675
Islam is a totally corrupt religion from the core, because it wants to meddle with people's private life and the law.
The Western nations have evolved from this with the renaissance.
Until this happens, most Islamic countries are just ridiculous.
@@sm3675 the only problem with people's sexuality is the one that exists inside your mind
'it's sometimes called illegal immigration'. Yes, like stealing, or sometimes called 'Illegal taking'.
Not in all cases.
Under international law, people have a right to enter the nearest safest country without a visa to ask aslyum. And whether Lybia or Egypt are "safe" under the definition provided by international law would be debatable is one was feeling charitable.
@@pixelghostclyde8717 "international law" is a made up concept, it only has any meaning for those accepting it. Good luck using your "international law" "rights" when illegally crossing the Russian or Chinese border. You will be shot.
This video is inaccurate. I come from ex Yugoslavia. There was no such thing as "open borders". We had to apply for visa, travel to capital and have an interview in embassy, pay high fees... We had to go there as tourists or temporary workers and then apply for Asylum from there.
plus there are still limits for most of the poor to move around.
For the rich - sure, you can buy property in another EU state and you are set. Full rights to You.
For the poor - some countries will discriminate you because of language. some set limits on how long you can drive your car on their territory, and do not allow registering it if you do not "have" local address. Some limit length of your stay. List goes on, banks, offices, even getting such simple thing as mail might be a problem.
Most of those laws are purely discriminatory, creating "better" and "worse" people, using being "in" as a form of hidden currency.
@@piotrcurious1131 ikr ? It's so hard to apply legally. But some random guys just gets everything set by sneaking. EU governments likes paying benefits to thousands of so called lame refugees. But they hate letting legal migrants work and get their hard earned money.
@@headlesshair1353 When You was last time in Europe, and which part if it?
@@piotrcurious1131 I've never been to Europe. But my friends have. They give you Schengen easily although it's a bit costly. But the real problem starts when applying for work visa.
@@headlesshair1353 Try visiting as tourist then and form Your own opinions.
How people percieve world depends on their character, language skills and WHERE they try to get a job.
Most high paying industrial places have double use as mitary production, so You will be turned down without "reason". Many places have dumb people who never travel themselves and have even more dumb views on who to hire.
Some places are more broke than You can imagine, and working there is more like volounteering.
In either case do not form your views from opinion of others.
This was often the case in early EU access for countries like Poland. People went for work, earned good money, came back and told horrible stories because did not want others to go because they knew other people could work better than them. Many got paid by russia to spread propaganda, you can read up on how influencers earn money from countries like Turkey - being paid for posting pictures on Instagram and dissing other travel destinations.
It is tough world nowadays, it is really better to see Yourself.
I believe that all nations should proportionally contribute resources to guard EU borders, but each nation should have the power and right to decide if they want to accept migrants or not.
But that's meaningless. It doesn't matter how many migrants each country accepts, it only matters how many are accepted within the entire Schengen area. That's what happens when you have no internal borders, migrants can and will cross unguarded borders for a wealth of different reasons. If there is a country that decides not to accept many migrants, but it's neighbours do accept many, the migrants will still go where they want to go, just like any other EU inhabitant. We need a common pro-active Asylum policy for the entire EU, or we will not be able to deal with the next wave of refugees in a fair manner. That is what is needed to preserve the common market in the long term, anything else is just a botched interim solution.
@@mariusdufour9186 next wave will be way scarier. If climate change stuff keeps going as is imagine all the dry parts of the world pushing people further west, hopefully eu is more prepared that time around.
@@beepboopbeepp Indeed, and when things get scary, emotions take over and people revert to extremes like 'everyone should be welcomed with open arms' and 'ban all immigration of people who don't look like me'. Both these positions are equally extreme, they reinforce each other, and they will end up costing us our humanity and our values if we don't fix this in time.
@@mariusdufour9186 just shoot them, it's that simple, killing a few of them would make others think twice, this balkanization of Europe is going to end badly in the long run and it will be bloody believe me
@@wamnicho extreme but effective
If it was up to me, All Migrants would have to pass a background check and deposit 7000€ into a special bank account that can only be used for Rent, Public transport, Medical expenses, and Groceries.
It is such a shame. The people of Europe need to stand up to what can at this point justifiably be called an invasion of foreign peoples. Local cultures and languages, beliefs, and customs are being forced to compete with imported people.
Wtf
@@Anelkia Need something clarified?
Do not confuse invasion with immigration both things are very different
@@ntf5211 those are people seeking refuge economically or from war, it's not an invasion. You can criticize it all you want but you're not getting anywhere by judging it as an invasion.
@@Zen-rw2fz these are people seeking money and coming to england not seeking refuge - and also being paid to come here by certain un-nameable groups
That european countries cant keep up with birthrates has reasons that arent set in stone. Its a too market friendly and career-rewarding attitude taught in our schools and set by law that creates this. Especially the lack of financial support for women that want children. It has to be more profitable for ur age pension to have children than having no children as a family. At the moment, having children is a risk of getting poor pension at retirement.
Yes!!! It's not that women do not want to stay home, it's that it's difficult to stay home.
Making sure that we have great schools and great programs for children is necessary for increasing the birth rate. Mothers need less stress. If more families can afford children, then we will see more children.
It's so sad to walk around the city and see the once "children ridden streets" lifeless.
Your women are in porn and adultery sector. Thank you very much for this lol.
@@kapudanuderya Thats a stupid statement. 0,025% of our women are working there, and just because maybe only 0,005% of ur countries women do it too, that gives u no right to call the remaining 99,975% of our women sluts!
europe is over populated as it is, we need stop immigration and let pop numbers fall, increase robotics, cheaper energy, more gdp per capita, more money, more space, then more children again.
@@schopen-hauer I disagree. We dont suffer from overpopulation in europe.
seem to me like the solution that will be adopted is the so called "fortress europe" as it require the least effort while keeping the internal borders open. The inefficiencies reserved to this approach largely ignored to the damage of potential refugees unable to apply.
Yes. I support work-based immigration 100%, but simply many countries can not support thousands of refugees to Europe. We have our own continent, society and culture. It should stay European and the European Union should work together to protect its borders, citizens, its economy by working together and doing Fortress Europe
@@KlausValk for that Germany should be convinced/forced to pay for the external borders of the EU instead of bloody inviting millions of immigrants there without thinking of the consequences (not saying that all immigrants are bad because they're not all like that and many do integrate and get assimilated, but millions don't).
@@KlausValk I disagree, refugee that risk persecution should be accepted but not the illigal "economic migrants". to me "fortress europe" is a failure on an ideological level as it mean we were unable to find a working solution, tho the reality is that right now it's the only solution that could work.
@@jnimitzch4738 that's why there is a distintion between legal migration, illigal migration and refugees. if you are innocent under our laws and value but sending you back is a death sentence under international law we have a duty to grant you asylum. this is not a moral dilemma, we already know what to do in this case. accepting or not refugees in not up to discussion, those that do go against international law for what is more often than not internal politics rhetoric.
@@jnimitzch4738 I feel like we are coming to this from two different prospective, are you seriously arguing against the application of the geneva convention?
From a Brit, this is such an underrated channel
It's an underrated channel because it shares the fact we all have similar concerns that just aren't been addressed fast enough in Europe. As another Brit I think it's a shame the UK had to resort to leaving the EU. Basically we've traded free trade and travel for control of our market and borders. Which is a shame but it crazy that the EU doesn't see the issues that need fixing. Whether the EU liked it or not the UK was a key member, you'd thought rather than going on the defensive they'd look at why we left and see what the issues are. Lets be honest the EU was only ever created for the French and Germans and I think this has shown in recent years. Still love France and Germany like, what's happened has happened.
@Razor Mouth☘️ they see it, but they have other goals. The EU comission wants to rule Europe, no matter what.
@Razor Mouth☘️ tbh its so complex its even hard to track them.
Question for you: how many presidents does the EU have?
(Who are they? Who's voted for them and under which mecanisms? I dont know them, I dont want them, and the sooner they reform, the better)
@Razor Mouth☘️ you are not even answering the question.
And I know Europe has many nations inside, so does Belgium, UK, Russia, Spain....
@@lahabitaciondelatrapado4621 It doesn't matter how many Presidents the EU has, most of them have ceremonial powers, they're not like the presidents of a nation-state. The legislative process in the EU is divided between the Council (which is literally composed of representatives from the governments of member-states) and the Parliament (which is composed of deputies that are democratically elected by the citizens of member-states). So what exactly do you mean by the EU Commission wanting to rule Europe? It barely has any powers.
Why Europe doesn't do like Arab gulf countries? Arab gulf countries don't handout citizenship.
There is no democracy in middle east to handout citizenship
Article 13 literally only affects southern EU states, since refugees don't use planes, but northen europe wont do anything to change that because it requires an unanimous vote, so northern europe would rather keep the status quo
First it banned memes and then this
@@gamermapper two different article 13s the one you're talking about is the GDPR general data protection regulation.
@@lorenzofalorni3961 yeah and they're all evil. 13 is fr a cursed number
Northern statez like sweden took a lot of immigrants
If Europeans had a necessity to flee to these countries, where they are fleeing, how would their government react?
In my opinion, I talk about myself, we would be shot at the shores without the possibility of even touch sand or rock. I mean, when I have issues with my family or wife I don't just go to sleep to my neighbors house lol
You would be welcomed under the condition that you convert to islam
@@xyzxyz1243 and you got that from what source? Your ass or someone else’s?
@@Boodhernandez from your mothers 4ϟϟ when she was trying to save her virginity. Go ask her, she will confirm.
You know what? Europe is fucked, most of European countries opened their a$$. Me as European I feel ashamed some how and proud of my country to not fall into the freaking mason trap. Feels wierd to see neighbor countries allowing such a bullshit, the called "politically correct". Fk that.
@Smart Idiot you know that muslims are obligated to help muslims? not to mention that turkey is literally the first "safe" country near syria which had a war and a big chunk of refugees...
Good animation ✔
Good narration ✔
well researched ✔
great job
Thank you very much!
@@IntoEurope BAD ADS, I didnt came here to watch VPN sales.
@@bulevartz look either Into Europe goes broke or they accept a sponsorship be happy they didn’t choose Raid Shadow Legends
Well researched? He said that Merkel "invited" migrants which is just a lie.
i think the chart was kinda misleading saying 3 countries are safe because it was representing all migration not illegal migration or refugees ..
Coming from an American, I found this very informative on the topic and the system y'all have over there. Great channel, please keep up this work.
U mean coming from a country that destabilizes the countries of people u hate. America will be replaced by black and brown people or leave our countries and we won't come to yours
@@lifepiece9551 cope
@@lifepiece9551 Lol someone's salty
@@sleven1160 it's true tho
Not exactly, this video misses out a key point and falsely stated that central European countries did not want migrants. The EU seems to dictate what qualifies as a migrant/refugee how it sees fit. The central European nations took in many Ukrainian and Belarusian refugees and migrants. Poland took in over 1 million refugees and migrants from Ukraine when the war with Russia erupted on the eastern side of the country. These were not counted and they still demanded Poland take another 1 million migrants from outside of Europe.
I really hope this long-standing issue comes to a solution in a foreseeable future. We have to protect our borders at all costs!
We should more somehow help to those countries where people are escaping from, it will be cheaper than buildings walls, you can't really stop milions of people, who thinks it's possible must be crazy, we have to solve real problem which is why those people are leaving their countries? The worst thing is that they are leaving because we (NATO+Russia in the past) did mess there, we removed dictators and installed terrorists there, it's sad, but it's true. There was piece in Afghanistan before Russians and Americans started play their games there. Americans and Russians should accept those migrants because they caused this.
@Cesare Borgia Who is "they"?
Ikumo you need spelling??????? Go back to pre-school
@@Pidalin Europe can do literally nothing right now to stop or even dissuade the US from doing whatever they want. The only way in which we will be able to have more power is if we integrate further and start acting, at least and most importantly in foreign policy, as a bloc. European countries can keep having completely different internal systems, but if we don't want to be China's, Russia's, India's or the USA's puppets, we must act as a bloc in foreign policy
@@Pidalin we can stop them, it called security and enforcement. If we deport them and properly defend our borders, we'd have next to no issue here. We do help these countries, the global system is literally the only reason they exist and are still standing.
Why should America citizen be forced to take in migrants it doesn't want and need.
This migration crisis is ongoing since about 2015.
Since that time, world population has increased by about 420 million.
Like it never happen before
import shithole become shithole
Every immigrant be like , my country is so much better , meanwhile they stay the rest of their life in a dif country 😂
Just allow border security to use their weapons. If Europe would have shown it's strict stance on migration that it's not allowed.. then much less people would even try and much less people would die even trying. But when you are giving so much benefits to them when even people in Latvia want to have same benefits... then you can just imagine how it's all is highly motivational to immigrants from non EU countries.
Exactly. Show everyone you are harsh, but fair. You would cut most of the bloat and opportunists. Sure, some would still pass, but you would have far less people blatantly abuse the system.
Using lethal force is "harsh but fair"? Is there any precedent or evidence that harsher treatment at the border will cause fewer people to want to come? Tons and tons of people are desperate enough to come across the Mediterranean even though its incredibly dangerous to do so...
@@ikumo5470 they are trying because they know that there is a chance of having benefits at the finish, if they would know that they will not receive anything and will be treated as criminals.. they would stop.
Alright Vader
@@SturmerSS I don't see how its any different. Now they are willing to take incredible risk at a chance of getting benefits. If we make our stance on migration much harsher, they would still be in the same situation of being faced with lots of risks and dangers at a small chance of a better life. I just don't see how it would help any of the big pain points.
As an EU citizen from Poland I support the external countries being the most important safeguards of the borders, while internal borders should be opened.
Refugees that present a passport from a country at war should be granted asylum, however refugees from non conflict countries, should be denied asylum, as they don't in fact need it.
I want frontex to have a bigger budget and more authority, so that it can ultimately transform into a full on EU armed forces, making NATO redundant in the process.
As a Brit I've thought about this and I agree to a point. As the UK is still in NATO but before an integrated armed forces can be achieved we need to address our differences first; like why did the UK leave. For example Americans try to see each other as American even though 95% of their population doesn't come from that continent. The British identity is similar but with more historic identity than the US so it's a rocky one (as in a hard to maintain identity) as we the English, Welsh and Scottish loosely define our selves as British when with each other and in fact each country has a independence party wanting to reform Westminster (our government) but we still stand side by side in our armed forces and on the international stage, the same would need to happen in Europe first.
@Razor Mouth☘️ its always about economics and since most of the world is basically poor, we should not let them in, or else you will have to put migrants sleeping on your sofa, and force them thru financial system to adopt our way, or the highway.
@@schopen-hauer It's not always about economics, a lot of LGBT refugees from countries that would persecute them
Some people like in morocco or algeria flee political persecution (Jews, Christians, Berbers) not necessarily war
@@tobyhunt1106 those are peanuts, theres 700 million wanting to move to europe.
It's time to start worrying more about the citizens in the countries that suffer because of the migrants
We softened on the inside, then opened up to the outside. Big mistake
What do you mean by soften on the inside?
@@ikumo5470 Open borders inside europe + "be more like women and children"
@@morten1 This means nothing... Can you give me an example of how we have adopted a culture of "be more like women and children"
@@ikumo5470 You don't see it? Too bad
@@morten1 not a single example, huh. Very convincing
this channel is just great. don't stop man, don't.
Don't stop, go faster, yes, yes! 🤣😂
EU should do ethical imperialism, to stabilise states and governments with full functional democracy and security, and a stable economy, to stop influx for the long term.
"Ethical imperialism". Tbf that's what Napoleon would say
@@mikito00 Well, if there’s such a thing as “ethical hacking”, then there will be such thing as “ethical imperialism”.
@@napoleonibonaparte7198 ethical hacking is testing the system not trying to use old colonial rebranded for a new purpose and expect everyone to be like this wouldn't be like the last even if that is true because of a collective ptsd from the last colonial ventures of Europe into the rest of the world.
@@napoleonibonaparte7198 flawless logic right here
Ethical imperialism has to be the worst name for a foreign policy plan, but I generally agree. If "Western" nations can't accept the number of people migrating, they need to address the causes of displacement. Stable democratic governance can reduce migration, but implementing it abroad is practically impossible. In recent times, regime change has been the source of more migration than despots themselves. The war in Afghanistan caused an exodus, even as a democratic government was established. The Syrian refugee crisis was born out of a revolt against Assad, as well as the expansion of ISIS, an extremist group that arguably gained power due to the power vacuum created by the invasion of Iraq. If Western nations want to reduce migration, they will likely have to work within the existing political order. Improving economic conditions under any regime would do more to reduce the need for migration than war.
The problem than is that growing the economies of conflict zones and developing nation would likely necessitate sustained government investment from developed nations. Private capital has essentially embargoed the developing world. Instability and corruption make it almost impossible for foreign investors to send money into developing nations. Only governments have the risk tolerance to send the resources required to build stable economies from which private businesses could grow, but doing so would require decades of sustained popular support for such initiatives. Ironically, the same voices that oppose migrants the most aggressively would probably be the first to oppose such measures, but mentioning something about the belt and road initiative might win them over. Personally, I'd like to see the elimination of global poverty a primary goal of all developed nations, but it will require having a political consensus about a developed nation's obligation to the rest of the world that presently is nowhere close to existing.
Shocker how they seem to come from islamic countries
even more shocker that a lot of them are in fact very happy with the same brand of Islam that they have "at home"
while a great many really did flee for their life, a lot seized the opportunity to go in search of a ... "better" (read more materialistic) life
shocker how europe bombed the shit out of the middle east and expect them not to leave their rubble homes and instability and extremism that resulted.
@@ovadyarachman7243 Obviously the Middle East was a bastion of stability before "europe" bombed "the shit" out of it.
@@ovadyarachman7243 Who bombed what? Stop spreading sheeet, just check GDP of Afghanistan before and after "bombing", they literally were bigger shhole before bombings.
No , the idea behind Schengen area is to make seemless border crossing and moving within the EU ! Not from the outside of the EU ! Nobody ever agreed on that ! EU needs to sort out the external border as any other sovereign state and be honest and democratic towards its actual native citizens !
I'm socialliberal, yet cosmopolitanism is a mistake. Henceforth I don't support any major political party supporting free borders wich makes me neutral/regional. Europe is not a continent for economic migration.
I agree, although I think the Schengen Area is great for economic reasons
@@Ivanfpcs Yeah I mean that's the whole point of a transnationalism and why I am proud of the Union - though I'm really against federalism as well as a European constitution. I don't want to become another Roman Empire - another bully, wich Mother Earth and Humanity definitely doesn't need.
@@Bln-f9u Another Roman Empire would be absolute class
@@mdpete4071 Not for the subjugated
@@Bln-f9u and who would that be
the main problem I'm seeing with the issue of refugees and migration in general is that it's unsustainable, regardless on who takes care of them or who houses them, the reality is that people will keep coming due to climate change, due to wars (sometimes caused by the USA, France, UK or internal conflicts) and Europe being closest to these danger zones (Africa, the Middle east, Central Asia) it will remain a major issue that neither side can realy solve.
No migration side is wrong not for not wanting migrants but for not realising just how difficult it is to house and maintain such amount of people who either just want to survive or want to get ahead in life (we all do, that's what humans do), however the open migration side is also wrong because of the problems and costs it brings with it to western nations as well as spark the flames of resentment and nationalism which is not good for a European level solution which is what's actually needed.
I would then propose a different solution, one that is unpopular and will set a new geopolitical reality that some of it's big players aren't welcoming of, EU Military peacekeeping missions, what this would mean is the creation of a legitimate EU level military force, to be placed or engage near the entry points of migration flows and outside of EU countries like Morroco, Turkey, Tunnisia, Libya, so on where they would be tasked with maintaining order, help screen refugees and host refugee camps where they can then be transported to host nations or be able to integrate into the local societies, economies or develop skills needed later in life to rebuild their country of origin if possible.
the reason why this solution is unlikely to be taken is that the EU does not have the power or right to use such a military force, that it would be a more federated EU type of solution and that it would project an image of neo-collonialism to the rest of the world, as well as agitate certain geopolitical players by seeing a modern EU wide military force near their borders potentially but untill such a long term solution if implemented this will continue to be an issue and it's going to become much, much worse compared to 2015, as we move into the 2030s and 2040s, better to get to work with it now for when it's needed than the scramble later when shit inevitably hits the fan.
@Primotef I agree, though in the short term we have to look for our own security first and improve the situation in those regions long term, though that's easier said than done, only time will tell if it can be done or not.
I agree with what Primotef said. But the biggest problem is that we need more population. Buissnesses are looking for people but cannot find workers. We NEED a higher birthrate .
For Europe to be majority dark in a couple of generations is saddening. We need to preserve our culture and our ways.
@@sm3675 not realy, what we realy need to stop is aging and invest in automation, you don't need a massive population but having a young population with stable birthrates and high education in new fields with few old people would be best.
Many economists today only look at consumption as marker of economic growth, while they should be looking at value added growth, technological development and stable government policies and property rights.
Many migrants today in the west are a burden not a benefit as most of them are low skilled labor, what we should be doing is have immigration based on merit and ability as well as invest in means to raise birthrates like in France and Sweden.
The worst thing we could do is raise taxes, promote mass migration of low skilled labor, while ignoring the aging problem, lucky for us old people tend to die off first with disease outbreaks, sadly our governments issue lockdowns for all instead of just the elderly.
Our governments are quite incompetent when compared to the rest of the world.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 lol "to stop aging" and "we don't need big families" LOL. So, how are you going to make that population stops shrinking and stops aging? Just to kill the old ones to make statistics better? Hahahaha. Europe needs to revert to traditional values, families need to have at least 3 children, in order to preserve our nation, culture, and economic system ( especially pensions because young people who are workforce are making possible that pensions are paid to the old ones). Nigeria, although poor country today in terms of economy, has more brighter future with 100% population growth rate in last 30 years, than some EU country where man smoke weed and do nothing for family except career until mid 30's and women are dog's mammas and giving first birth in mid 30's. That's a collapse of both system, nation and an extinct and lost love for the motherland. People in Europe have become selfish, thinking only about individuality, not caring much about nation in general, and that kind of life will make countries collapse, because we are living in a society together with other people, we're not living on our own - system has allowed you to have selfish life and it's going to crumble from the inside because this kind of life is not sustainable. That's why right populism is taking a rise in almost all European countries, because system that exists is a failure which will all be seen in future. We are living fine now but generations that are going to come will be suffering because people today don't want to give up on their commodities and to sucrifice a bit for nation to survive. Male population in Europe today can be described with "Weak man create hard times", and it's going to happen.
@@gozden123 Nigeria to end of century will have around 400 mil.people.
Isn't there a new Dublin regulation adopted for a fair distribution of immigrants?
As an Australian, you're on the right track on processing migrants outside of EU, that's what the gov't did here, they house them in Papua New Guinea and the illegal migrations stopped, knowing that they will wait years there for processing
exactly. The NGOs are the ones that catalize the amount of wellfare seeking refugees, by working with smugglers that ironically cause human right violations and spread lies just to sack their money. Not to forget that the inaction and inconsistency of most countries caused the system to collapse. If you accept people to get into the system by not identifying themselves or by them lying about their country of origin, then they should be dealt with correctly by a propper procedure.
Yeah, it's working beautifully. Before the dead bodies of asylum-seekers kept washing up on our shores. Now they are killed in Lybian lagers, well-away from our sight.
Cheers from Italy.
It s good to know
the system is not broken it is being abused.
It’s both .
If it’s being abused , then wouldn’t it be also broken for allowing it to be abused? It’s like having a “take-one candy” bowl and then getting mad when children take the whole bowl.
I'm from Mexico and I think that receiving our Latin American brothers would have little to no impact only because they're not coming here to stay lol
I have met some Venezuelans that have chosen to stay in Mexico, and believe it or not, almost all of them were doctors, lawyers and business man/woman over in Venezuela.
They have a cool accent and are very polite but there was one time where we saw a lot of passer byes and it was sad. A whole week of sad faces and children that were passing through without a cent.
Comparing the situation of South Americans migrating to Mexico and Arabs and Africans migrating to Europe is like comparing an ant to an elephant. Just because they both end with "ant", doesn't mean they're at all comparable.
I know Latinos don't like to be grouped together, you're all different nations. BUT you have common history, common ancestors and except for accents and some regional differences, common language (except for Brazil). Even Latinos coming to Europe would be more compatible than Arabs and Africans.
And I'm not saying this to judge whether the Arabians and African migrant should or shouldn't be accepted to Europe. Just saying that these situations are incomparable.
@@Domihork That is true. Most Latinos speak Spanish or Portuguese and of course, a lot of Europeans speak Spanish because a lot of them like to vacation in Spain.
The other main thing is that a majority of Latinos are of the catholic faith. And most would fit right in with other Europeans.
The problem with those who are Arab and african is that they come from a different religion and some want sharia law. And most are economic migrants and young men.
Send them all back
During covid.
Muslims can come in.
No test etc. nothing required.
Borders dont exist.
I cant go to university.
I cant visit my neighboring country even tho I have dual citizenship.
I love the EU.
Because a lot of them are fleeing Warzones and/or genocide and government persecution.
Meanwhile you're clearly well off enough to be able to go to University, your situations aren't really comparable? They walked hundreds if not thousands of miles with nothing while your bitching on your phone about something completely unrelated to them.
Also the EU hasn't mandated lockdown in any nations, you not being able to go to University is the fault of your countries government, not the EU. Also what fucking country you live in which is still under lockdown?
@@noobplays-saslow2920 Syrians are refusing to go back to Syria by saying it's unsafe, yet has no problem going down on multiple vacations lasting months while living on welfare and refusing to work.
Another well researched and information video, without the attachment of bias. Well done as always.
Much appreciated!
-Hugo
Europe for Europeans!
Tell that to all the Western European powers who are Destroying the country’s of these people from which they flea. The Middle East is the way it is now, because of America and Great Britain democracy spreading. And West African Migration, into Europe, is the fault of France. The French still practice colonialism with the Franc monetary System. Stop interfering in the country’s politics and overthrowing their elected Governments, cuz they don’t go along with what the West wants. You Created the problem, you Fix it.
@@johnnyflores5954 The government created the Problem so we the people must deal with the consequences. Nice logic
Yes, you voted them in, you caused the problem, you are responsible for their actions. Avery one says politicians suck, well we’re do you think these so called politicians come from, they just don’t pop up from another membrane through another reality. They come from Western institutions: western schools, western businesses, western Churches and are elected by Westerners. When you have selfish ignorant citizens, their gonna elect, selfish ignorant leaders. Garbage in, and garbage out, this is what you produce. Take some responsibility.,
@@johnnyflores5954 Old people voted on them now were Stück with em
@@johnnyflores5954 you forgot the soviets causing unrest back in the cold war
Angela Merkel didn't invite anyone. Due to the Orbán government's consious mishandeling of the refugee crisis and them sending over all people they didn't want to process, and it damaging EU stability she said 'wir shaffen das' wich means 'we can do this', meaning we should not fuck this up. The problem is that countries like Poland and Hungary didn't want to have a common refugee policy to have some relocated to their country because it isn't fair that Greece and Italy would have to process all of them, plus they refuced to abide by the agreements already in place, because chaos + brown people + scared white people = far right wing votes. This video said it all with direct speeches and policy. th-cam.com/video/a0g0BDEid8M/w-d-xo.html
I said it before, I will say it again, just leave them be, if they die out that is their problem, whoever is left will negotiate with them, if not just deny them any form of entrance, its simple, unless you all want to back to the colonial imperialistic era, make them second class citizens and keep them in work camps,
Broken? For the people who put it in place it's working as intended.
DO NOT LET THEM IN - it's that simple.
no it’s not that simple. EU needs labour and needs population growth. “shutting the door” does not stop the need for labour. EU should allow more people to regularly apply for residence and later citizenship. did you know that EU states are much more restrictive today than they were in the sixties in terms of immigration; seventy years ago immigrants entered France and West Germany at a rate of more than 1% of existing population each year, and they were there to work in a booming economy, and they themselves became part of the consumer base in that economy. In the sixties and seventies, blue collar jobs saw very healthy wage increases even though immigration was bigger than today. Today the rate of immigration into EU is less than 0.5% of existing population each year. There is still a strong demand for both blue collar labour as well as educated talent in Europe. The real effect of restrictive immigration policy is not that it stops immigration, but rather that it creates a second tier migrant worker who gets paid less and depresses the overall wages including for European born workers. On the other hand, the benefit of a more open immigration policy and a pathway to citizenship for immigrants is that the immigrant is no longer used to drive wages down, but instead all workers gain their bargaining power back and demand to earn as much as their labour is needed.
@@johnnysecular it is simple. All these "muh labour workers" will be replaced by AI robots within the next decades. What will u do with millions of useless humans?
@@nightprowler6336 do you even know what you’re saying? since the year 2000 in Europe there is a growing demand for manual and blue collar labour, not a decline. look at reality not at a fantasy in your head.
@@johnnysecular are u fucked in the brain? Do u even see how advanced technology has become? Corporations are investing in AI machines to replace workers in laborforce yet u cannot see that??
@@nightprowler6336 are you stupid?
Do you have robot nurses?
Or robot engineers or robot social workers
Are you stupid?
Do you think technology is Star Wars level currently?
as an american I hope it gets fixed and as someone who wants to move their for a better life
Europe is for Europeans. 💙💛
Only 500million a year for frontex? Damn, the cost of illegal economical immigrants that refuse to leave cost more in my small country of Holland.
Trump builds a wall and he's a villain, EU countries build walls no one seems to care. So is it who builds the wall or the wall that people get cross about ? Good video.
Pretty much look at Australia and how they deal with boat people. That would be trump's dream or look at how canada pretty much vets all refugees and they aren't allowed to ask for asylum at the US Canada border. That'd have been trumps dream and us mexico border. Trump is trash but basically wanted the US to have what a lot of the world has.
Funny thing is not long after trump announced the border wall the EU commission president VDL announced a shield of Europe on Greece sea border
@@DavidJohnson-dp4vv If he stayed off Twitter I think people would've hated him way less. Not a good person, but not as bad as people like to hype it up.
@@shadowofhawk55 His ass would've never stayed off twitter. Dude is an ass but a good portion of the world would agree with 80% of his actual immigration policy.
@@DavidJohnson-dp4vv Right
“The Strange Death of Europe” by Douglas Murray
Another great video, as has come to be expected here. Keep it up, you are one if not the single best sources to get information about europe and the EU.
More to come! :)
-Hugo
as a refugee myself, I must admit that I came to this video with doubts but it proved to be quite informative and subjective and I agree with the majority of it. the comments are not that bad either which is surprising for TH-cam. keep the good work up :)
*objective
Where you from ?? And how was your way to here and where are you now ??
@@wiley2968 I answer lots of these questions on my tiktok, but I'll answer it here for you! I'm from Syria, came about 6 years ago in the Netherlands. The way to the Netherlands was rather... Lets say, not all too humane. But luckily I was able to recover from it physically and emotionally, with the help of awesome and welcoming people. Today the Netherlands is my home, where my friends, study, work and hobbies are. After living here for more than 5 years, I'm happy to walk around the town and see people I love, and greed them in our local language.
@@marteen__superstraightphob1898 I am :)
Go back
I moved from Poland to England meanwhile Ukraine people moved to Poland.
Ukrainians, Belarussians, Russians, Caucasian countries and people from Central Asia countries are moving to Poland.
@@kosa9662 Poland will be the second Soviet union under capitalism
@@nariman_alizada. To be fair almost always was this. In Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, ethnic Poles were only 35-40% of entire population. If not ww2 and Holocaust there would be more jews in Poland than in todays Israel.
Migration. And I'm honestly not mad on those people. Earning minimum in england u earn more than in Poland. Earning minimum in Poland u earn more than in Ukraine. Everybody wants to get more money. The problem however is that for root citizens of that country minimum is not enough. And the employer wont raise the pay because he's got the migrants that will work for that minimum because thats enough for them in their country. So how to solve it? I would probably raise the rates and tax fees when u transfer money to another country so that working for them in our country becomes unprofitable. But that's probably really hard to achieve cause thats a lot of legislative and economics work so i dunno :/
@@lexon7vod Hmmm, I am Bulgarian who decided to live in France in order to get higher Education (top Master of Science degree) and few years of professional experience to higher the chances to get a well paid job after I leave France. This summer, after spending 3 weeks in Poland, I started planning to immigrate to Poland. I met 2 Italian immigrants who did the same and they do not regret it, they prefer Poland over Italy.
I know that in Poland my salary will be lower than in France, but I fell in love with your country and countrymen(especially Gdansk). How do I count in your equation ? I don't think I am influenced by money to live in your country...
Frontex is a joke. Nobody takes them serious. The migrant boats from Libya or Turkey just sail around them and honk for a salute. Nobody is stopped at any border.
Population replacement is not a virtue
All of these comments. No one is talking about how these Arab migrants weren’t coming before the bombings of Syria and Iraq.. and these African migrants were much less before the taking out of Gaddifi.. who enforced his national borders that happen to be on the North African coast. Maybe we should focus on re-stabilizing these places. Migrants aren’t crossing through Egypt or Algeria and morroco is at least doing the best it can.
Exactly this. Why not make your your own country better.
@@bastulainen Well I mean they literally can't on their own while us richer countries maintain the instability that causes migration so we definitely have a part to play.
Not in the military intervention way necessarily as our track record isnt strong but we could divert our bomb money to hospitals and aid.
@@bastulainen you missed the point. Their countries were good. Our countries bombs made them bad. To make them better again would be to sacrifice their lifetimes, as well as the life times of their children. We should at least help them make the countries better again if we don't want them coming to our countries.. being that our countries are the whole reason their countries are now piles of ruble.
5/6 who should be deported arent deported, the system is really broken🤦🏻
Denmark has great Migration laws in general👏
Why should they be deported? These countries have supported Al Quaeda in the Middle East. Now live with these losers.
Germany is still short on the workforce, but it does not want illegal migrants anymore. That hints at a failure of their 2015 migration policy.
What is the problem with applying for asylum outside the EU? If the EU had facilities in Turkey, Lybia, Marocco, ect... That are safe and overseen by frontex, people could stay there while applying. They would be safe and when they are allowed inside they would have already all the paperwork (and they can even have language classes in there as a requirement for entering in certain countries). I don't understand the problem with that, sounds great for everyone involved!
because that will
a be giving some neo colonial vibes to some people.
b what will happen they are rejected that is now another country that has to deal with people rejected from the EU
c how will you guarantee their continued willingness to help you.
d. how will you stop them trying to use these migrant facilities as hostages to force concessions from Europe.
etc. etc. there is no real easy way to achieve this as you're trying to make it seem.
@@abdiabdi3225 oh who cares whether or not it is colonialism. İt is threat to the Union . We should put mines and guns to Turkish borders and same for assylum seeking camps on north africa, guarded by guns and mines . And not let any fucking boot to arrive to EU .
@@abdiabdi3225 well theres never a easy way but for me this would eliminate quite some problems and would be worth it
I agree, we need strong borders and clear rules for who can be accepted and who can't. That way we can't be blackmailed
@@sergior. It would alsow be more moral
One thing the video fails to mention is how terribly the migration was handled by the EU which lead to hundreds of thousands of immigrants and refugees staying in Greece, Italy and Spain. While Italy as a G7 country could handle it better Greece and Spain especially Greece which has a weaker economy struggled a lot to keep these refugees and promised economic support by the Eu for the crisis failed to materialize in the extent needed.
First thank you for that video it's very insctructive, although i wanted to add more details to the "safe country" migration problem.
As an Algerian migrant myself, considering algeria as safe is true, but it undermines the other aspects of a social agent: ambitions, economical security and the willing to learn
The problem to algeria's migration problem is the lack of a prosper future there.
Our political system is stuck because we mainly get scared of any change because of the dark years of terrorism during the 90's (Also called the dark decade), so the political system doesn't change, as the economy also get stuck and you can only work either for public sector (which holds a major parts of the job market) or a few businesses but which are very unstable, because corrupt.
We have corrupt leaders, mostly corrupted by EU businesses (we can cite the ENI italian scandal in Algeria), which means taking any initiative is nearly impossible if you don't befriend a corrupt "sponsor" who will get you investment for any business, except that it's nearly impossible to start any business with no sponsor or very few startup money, even working the public offers is difficult because the commissions select mainly their "friends" wether for big housing projects or any public transportation project ...etc
All of this combined with a very weak economical system based on exports of gas and oil, makes a very unstable basis.
We produce very few goods, and we have a large number of young workforce qualified + unqualified.
The consequences of this are that a lot of qualifed migrants come to europe to seek better jobs and a better education.
And for the non-qualified migrants who do not hold any degree, they come to seek a better life, better salaries, mostly for their kids if they have some, because they want security, prosperity and a long term vision for their life which Algeria does not offer.
And when algerians have tried to change the political system through peaceful protestation, which would have openned some opportuinities (whatever the future political system would be : liberal/directed) they had NO support from any EU leader whatsoever, so the algerian political system took the oportunity and raised the terrorist and islamist threat again against its population (which is by the way real, at least for the islamist part, but they had no support from the population this time, and with a better education system would never have had any support)
The migration problem is often presented by the EU perspective, but never through the migrants point of view.
EU, could help stopping their businessman corrupting the african leaders and weakening their political system, so that a new generation and a new political system emerges, and an economic growth in africa means less need to migrate, except for those who wants because there'll be no point for borders if all countries were economically equal.
But they won't, it threatens the energy and mineral sector imports, for example if algeria would produce their own product they will prioritize algerian manufactures for oil and gas before exporting them to europe or elsewhere. And same for any african country with a lot of natural ressources.
The migration problem is very complex and involves a lot of geo politics, and also local politics to the countries which sees its population flee, for whatever reason.
Even the intra-euro migration is sometimes linked to the purchasing power and to seek better salaries at some countries (i think of the french to germany workforce migration for exemple), i think if the EU takes the time to really study deeply the problem before taking decisions they can come up with ideas that will help the whole world, and there will be no need for any border then (i know it's more complex than that, but it's my hope)
Thank you a lot
@@abaraviciusdominykas4584 it's not us who took the decisions, the corrupt leaders are corrupted by EU businessmen, the root of the problem is the European economic growth is tight to africa's ressources, if we were to produce cars for exemple, we wouldn't have any interest in selling oil and gas to European countries.
Macroeconomics explain this phenomenons very deeply.
About the cultural, part, it's a non problem honestly, i grew up there, i have an algerian culture, i changed nothing in my way of living and most Europeans think i'm european too, it's mostly because of assumptions and stereotypes that you think our cultures are very different, except i bet you come to Algeria and you're very welcome to visit (though i'm in Europe too), but you'll see that there are good and bad in our society, and most algerian i know are very transparent and quiet in the Europe societies, i know what kind of immigrants you're talking about, i assure you even in algeria they're marginalized and they represent a very small number compared to the total number of north African immigrants, we mostly pay our taxes.
To prove you that an article from the french secretary of economy have shown that immigration costs nearly 0eu to France because most immigrants pay there taxes, and honestly even as a no. European, as far as i know my taxes help kids to have free schooling, free healthcare and all, i'm proud to pay taxes not as European but in a more altruistic point of view, my taxes help this community whatever there values and culture is, to grow into a more equal society.
So, we as immigrants are very proud actually to be accepted into the EU, we didn't come hating anyone, we grew up with french movies, and uk's sit-coms, we mostly came happily and immigration is not easy, to quit your parents, your friends, don't take that as if we came to invade, it's way more complex than that, and we want to live in peace with native europeans, it's not true to think migrants want something more, we want to be treated as humans too, equally, and by dignity.
So the problem is very deeply tide to how the world of economic got too complex, and it's nearly impossible for Europe and impoppular to think cutting jobs, to get them in Africa so the countries could be equal and solve the migration problem, you loose something to get something, money and ressources are not infinite, everything is finite, and can cause to Europe a decline if they stop importing resources and let an economic growth happen in Africa.
So "decorrupting" our leaders is a very difficult equation that can cause huge economical crises
@@chekbo44 Always blaming others for corruption in Africa. Every countries have corruption at some degrees just look at China. They put death sentence to corrupt leaders and they still have lots of corruption.
But still their gouvernement know how to make the country wealthier by investing in knowledge, industries, manufacture.
Algeria like any arabs/muslim countries DON’T HAVE INDUSTRIES/MANUFACTURE because the gouvernement and the population don’t care, they don’t like education, having knowledge about economics, science, technology...THEY PREFER MEMORIZING QURAN that can’t help the economy....have lots of kids they can’t feed nor disciplined.....
Rich gulf countries are rich thanks to oil, once oil run out, they would be just as poor as other countries. Even rich arabs with tons of money don’t have knowledge to create industries, manufacture. Which means even if Algeria have tons of money they wouldn’t be able to build their own industries.
@@YouYou-sm8tf i'm not blaming anyone, i'm even citing known scandals that are scandalous in algeria but never get to western medias,
So saying we blame others for corruption all the time and that all countries are corrupt, is very neglecting the context and the history.
As for muslims, your citing a stereotype, just look for the medieval age of islam, it was a very developed civilization, and that proves religion have nothing to do with regression or development, it's the economical context of the time that made them a rich civilization (mostly through commercial routes)
Of course, we're in a new era in which the western civilization is more modern and that's okay it's how humankind evolved.
But, now we need modern thinking and modern systems to rethink the economy of the world, and creating a moral and ethical economic ecosystem worldwide.
Western countries depend tightly on africa's ressources, and they can't afford letting an industry emerging there without loosing their economical growth, just take a look at business relocation of industries in countries where the work force costs less, of where the infrastructure for transportation of ressources costs less, mostly in asia.
European countries loose potential employment for that, and its reason is the exploitation of foreign workforce for less costs.
It's the same with African countries except, it's on the ressources side.
And i can assure you i know very well the algerian context, people i know personally tried to build up industries from 1962 (independence year) but they failed each time because of corruption and foreign interventions which have worsen the situation, (citing the french-algerian crisis of 1992)
In conclusion, blaming or not blaming is not the question here, but climbing the tree of causes which has as its consequence the migration situation is very important to find a solution.
At some point if we answer to economical problems with : some people will die out of hunger, and that's okay
I believe that we're better than that as humans, and that we can evolve as better societies together if we all collaborate on making the world a better place, instead of competing with one another and hating the other cultures without even getting to know them in person
@@chekbo44 The problem is that being rich in medieval is super easy compared to being rich in XXI century. In 2021 to be rich you can't just wage wars, build strong military and terrorize others, but you need to educate people, build factories, etc. Of course Quran has something to do with it, it's not an accident that there is no rich muslim country except for oil exporters. Too much religion, too little science and that's the result you got, lots of corruption, law based on religion books and mass emmigration to regions that have a different apporach. Also problem is that even when people go from their corrupted countries, they still try to impose their rules from those countries. So they still want to live by Sharia Law, rip off rights from woman, etc.
And when west tried to help those countries by giving them free market and democracy (Iraq, Afganistan) few years pass and people still go back to Quran, religious state and ban woman from attending school, and then blame Europe.
@Nemusis 999 hello, well i did and i confronted corrupt people that were being corrupted for occidental interests, so i did try but your leaders corrupt ours for your benefits
And if we try to change our leaders your leaders sell weapons to ours to reprehend the peaceful protesters
So, i have to share the same society with you in order to enjoy economical prosperity and to protest against the root of the corruption of our leaders which comes from ... The occidental world, hopefully most of us are peacefully angry, and i am a strong believer in diplomatic work to resolve political conflicts, but in the meantime we will need to come to Europe to live a decent life because your prosperity depends on our lands and resources and since it's not infinite, we'll have to share the same land were the most of the economical activity is in the world... So, i hope you understand that you need to vote for leaders of yours who will work with us in order to have a more fair world instead of far right leaders who despise us
Instead of accepting economic migrants and to a lesser degree war refugees (very very very very against economic migrants) the West should be beefing up foreign aid. I am all for investment in the third world, however you want to describe it. Build alliances, build up nations, make this world a better place. But if a civil war happened in Canada, I would fight. I would fight and die fighting. I have no sympathy for the men fleeing, women and children are another story. Their problem is not ours but I will gladly watch my tax dollars go to help them, if they truly want to help themselves. That means, fighting for their country and I will fund that. No man should be fleeing. Every man fleeing, is deplorable. My grandfather and his siblings did not flee the Nazi's and today, Poland lives.
So, it wasn't a bank robbery? Nope!
Just an *irregular* withdrawal occurrence.
😂
My lord... Is this legal?
Europe for Europeans
Yep, not having it in Poland
"We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal".
Karl Popper, a wise man
Popper was stupid
Europe for Europeans❤️
You didn't say Nothing wait for the Millions of us In Few coming years
خاصة مع تزيد الصراعات في مناطقنا
That seems to be impossible when Europe made the whole world for Europeans! Every single border in the world was drawn or influenced by Europeans. Many recourse rich countries are now poor because of European looting. These migrants also lived in peaceful places till Europe came to civilise them and forced people that don’t go together in the same place! Whoever tries to fix their situation has to deal with America. So they’re just stuck in these problems originally made by European greed so I think Europeans specially uk and france (and usa) should either fix these problems or deal with their consequences!
That seems to be impossible ever since Europeans made the whole world for Europeans. You can easily travel to Africa and have more rights than the natives in there since your ancestors drew those borders and your soldiers + usa fight to keep these countries in favour of your interests
@@malekaltayari3936 Yes because threatening western powers has done so much for your people in the past, your hole belief system is a cope
@@staticshockk WTF are you talking about? Europe is for europeans, Asia is for asians, Africa is for africans rest of the continents are probably for everyone. I mean Americas for natives but it is impossible to kick out other races and nations. So what is wrong saying Europe is for europeans? I am from asian country and I agree Asia is for asians. It is not like other people will be banned, no tourism, foreign stidents and foreign workers are welcomed but not whole ass mass migration.
Migration its a problem if let all people cross the borders, we have to open the door only to coutrys with our colture or who want adapt to our colture, its a fact
Well said 👍
Excellent presentation. Interesting that it does not mention Britain which remains a significant pull factor for those migrants heading north.
U.K. Had more than enough plus they are no longer in EU
Pretty soon Europe will be Africa 2.0
I don't think EU countries should be asking for permission to send unapproved asylum seekers back they should just do it, it makes the whole system pointless when anyone that arrives here gets to stay whether approved or not.
the worst part is thats its easier to get in than out.
This is honestly the best video on migration policy in Europe I've seen, and it definitely remains fair to both sides, while pointing out exactly what the problems are. My only problem is that the EU agreement countries have a different color on the map from the color of the legend text at 6:25 (the text is yellow, the map color is orange...).
Europe could help fund and organize free city states on the coast of Africa, entirely for migrants, that way they could build their own homes and infra whit the help of western countries and whitout the corruption and islamic nonsense they are basically escaping. That way they wouldent need to integrate and their boredom could be harnessed for their own wellbeing. Also Europe wouldent need to take them in to burden a already ailing social system.
How expensive could it be to build acity for say 5-10 milion ppl, whit basically free labour... It could be made technologycally advanced and green and all that jazz, let googel or ikea do some exclusive deal. Also tax those mega corps ffs
The only thing is that "asylum centers" outside of the EU are already impossible due to different reasons as instability in the Middle East and that not everyone can come at the same place anyway
Short Version , system is overwhelmed and easily abused.
"Irregular economic immigrants "
Like callin a Home burglar is a "Irregular House Guest."
Good Grief. 🙄
Great comparison lol
The strange death of europe
Stage 1. It's a conspiracy
Stage 2. It's happening, but it is a good thing.
Stage 3. We are a minority, deal with it.
We're right now entering stage 2
@@Bln-f9u bye wypipo, good to live in an Asian country, mate
One has to ask why these economic welfare seekers don't try working hard and building up their own homelands. Is there a problem why so many cowardly young men fled Syria - leaving behind their wives, and children instead of fighting for them?!
It’s human nature, people don’t want to die
This comment screams I've never experienced hardship, poverty nor war lmfao
Last comment screams of a trust fund baby or a sugar baby, whom never had to work for a living. In either case it's pointless to reason with such individuals as they are clueless to worldly problems. LMAO
I literally live in a third world country with a drug war going on i know what its like here lol every Filipinos dream was to just leave, as a result 11 million Filipinos are abroad because there's no solution but to just leave. I doubt you'd also stay here because there's literally no chance of having a livable wage here, you'd also leave. Same thing if you were born Syrian, you'd definitely leave, because if you are to choose between life and death and to also feeding your family, you'd also leave. Fighting to your death in a conflict riddled with foreign powers will make no difference, as if you dying doing the biddings of Putin, ISIS, Hezbollah, Al Shabbab, Turkish backed mercs, Peshmerga or FSA would resolve the conflict.
If there's no one willing to fight for a radical idea they'll fool no one to fight for their cause.
Boo who, lots of people have trouble but yet they work hard and build a life. For 20 years the USA and the EU poured billions into Iraq and Afghanistan and for 20 years the people did nothing to build their own homeland up. The same goes for the Philippines stop making excuses, put down you phone and work to make the Philippines great. A little hard work will not hurt you.
If your continental club requires endless migration does it really work? When all of Europeans are gone? Will it then be working?
I guess the underlying issue in europe is the falling birthrates that convinces some europeans to allow in migrants
In Finland majority wants immigrants, but also majority is against immigration from 3rd world countries 😅
This is only because Sweden fucked up their migration policies so badly.
Thing is, these migrants won't have the $$ to make a good living and actually afford children. So the cycle repeats.
edit: Unless it doesn't repeat and the country get's downgraded.
No. It's the political ideology that implies "we" have a moral obligation to help those in need. Especially, since we can apparently afford it. The whole "birthrates" thing, is relatively new and a fallacy added later to the arguments.
@@Biru_to Except we don't have that moral obligation whatsoever. Every country has that obligation. Just because most don't give a shit, doesn't mean Europe has to be the orphanage of the world.
Birthrate doesn't matter, immigration from outside Europe generates net loss in money, so not only it doesnt solve demographic problem but it increases it, young folks are still taking more in handouts and free housing than giving to state in taxes.
Those countries at our frontier should have the final say, not moralists far detached from what our people want.
In the end those voices count, not a piece of paper that is against our interests to keep these humans out.
Yes!!! It's not that women do not want to stay home, it's that it's difficult to stay home.
Making sure that we have great schools and great programs for children is necessary for increasing the birth rate. Mothers need less stress. If more families can afford children, then we will see more children.
It's so sad to walk around the city and see the once "children ridden streets" lifeless.
What are you on about?
@@Tommi414 i don't know about you but i found it interesting
This has nothing to do with less childbirth though lmao, it's just kids prefer to play video games inside nowadays rather then go outside , not a lack of parents causing it.
The economy is usually the greatest factor
We need a white europe
This urgently needs to change. All member states should contribute to the outer borders, and illegals should be deported without delay. Also, given the changing geopolitical and economic situation, we also need to cut back on asylum and foreign aid.
Excellent video. Valuable content and worth sharing. Thanks
00:27 olha o cavaco silva lol
I’m European, i’m in favor of closing the external borders. We should aid them in their countries with food and development funds but the aid should only go to countries that collaborate in the repatriation of illegal migrants. The only migrants coming from outside Europe should be highly skilled people that would easily find a job.
What your opinion about east european migrants?
@Jan West They were powerless and couldn't stop European immigrants, and so they lost their lands. We instead could easily stop immigration or greatly reduce it if our countries really wanted to do it. And we should do so.
@@МиколаРиндя If they are from an Eu country they are welcome. We had a lot of problems with massive immigration from eastern europe after the EU expansion, but most of them by now have jobs and are well integrated. But migrants from Africa, the middle east etc. are very difficult to integrate and build their own enclaves instead. Look at what happened in France with the banlieu, every country should learn a lesson and avoid that mistake.
@Jan West karma doesn't exist. Just human choices.
The problem is that developing the fundamental economy of African countries would make us considerably poorer - do you think a well-off Nigeria would sell us their oil for peanuts? I don't think so.
I surprised the west doesn't send the economic migrants and asylum seekers to the front lines in the Ukraine. Seems like that would fix the problem.
Poland and Hungary's view on migration is based: Don't let them in.
They did not just let them in, they did the dick move and just redirected the flow to other EU members like Croatia and Austria making it there problem, this is just pethetic and the oppisite of solidarity to other EU members and the european values they preach about
@@bastian182 European values that are dictated by two-three countries. Not very "European" I would say.
@@edwartvonfectonia4362 and by who? Certainly not by Hungary and Poland or Russia just to throw in a none EU member.
I mean Poland let the asylum seekers in, most of them came from Afghanistan just recently. But there is a difference between them and people that are currently trying to cross Polish-Belarusian border, the difference is that those people applied for it in Polish embassy in Afghanistan and were accepted, the people on the border aren't even coming from Afghanistan, most of them are from Sri Lanka and Nigeria.
@@KoRbA2310 yea i know. This migrants are used as weapons by Belarus and this needs to be stoped. What Belarus is doing is unethical and disgusting using people as weapons just bargen with the EU and just because I'm pro-Immigration does not mean that I accept bullshit like this.
P.s. I don't want to attack you with this I just want to say my opinion on Belarus tactics
Funny this under the Dublin 3 the French allowing illegal to cross the Channel Sea is breaking their own rules.
what
They're not allowing it though, they're actively trying to stop it, but currently can't stop all of it. Last year 23.000 of these people tried to cross, but only some actually managed.
@Nemusis 999 And so does France. You think these countries are going to nuke each other? Come on man 😂
Fortress Europa is as it should be. Our continent, our rules.
Very informal and accurate in my opinion. Great job!
Much appreciated!
I think the idea of only taking migrants who are nationals of neighboring countries in has its merits.
A good idea in principle. Unfortunately, we have to change the UN charta for human rights to achieve this. But you're right, beeing forced to accept any asylum seeker from anywhere on the planet creates big problems. So we should definitely go in more detail regarding their status (war refugee, religious refugee, etc.), to reduce exploids. Another problem would be costal areas without direct neighgoring nations. Do they have to accept refugees coming by the sea from any nearby coastal nation?
❤POLAND❤POLISH LIVES MATTER! WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE PROTECTED!
I'm in Krakow rn, you have a beautiful country, please do everything possible to keep it as it is 🇵🇱