New Networks | The Definitive UK EV Charging Prices & Power Guide
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What annoys me is the cost of 7Kw destination charges in public car parks. These can be up to 65p plus the cost of parking. There is hardly ever an indication of the cost of charging and no details as to whether you need to pay the extra parking charge.
Couldn’t agree more. Most of the time a decent destination charge is what I’m after. So many destination chargers are more expensive than the cheapest rapid. It just makes no sense.
Yes the only reasonable one here in Weymouth is Aldi at 25p kWh but with 1.5hr parking limit. Almost pointless, sadly.
Although you will get 20+ miles
To put this in perspective, here in France, NW IE charge cot 30 € cents (26p), Tesla as low as 20 cents. Both fast chargers.
I've not fast charged for more than roughly 5 NOK/kWh here in Norway this winter. Roughly 43 € cents using a mid market value.
I was impressed by the cost of changing in France too lucky for me I can get to Le Shuttle in a single home charge but I only go there once a year 😅
French company’s supply uk ?
@@sa432jh yes, for a profit, many thanks to the rosbiffs for subsidising us froggies, merci bien.
that is cheap I pay 27p at home in sweden.
Fuuse are the old Ecotricity locations that didn't go to Gridserve, only 55p/kWh, but only 50kW.
Unfortunately company car drivers who are given EV charging cards, for the most part have no incentive to pick and charge at lower cost chargers. They just find the most convenient charger, not price per kWh. Pretty much how they fill up when they drove petrol or diesel, they filled up at any price.
And there is a lot of EVs on UK roads which are company cars, so unless they are kWh price conscious when charging. Along with us private EV drivers, i don't see the extortionate EV charging network the likes of Instavolt, Shell, BP etc will lower prices any time soon.
I'm happy at the moment that they are expanding fast and maybe being 'subsidised' by businesses, Id rather they get more chargers on the ground in a big way and they can have the inevitable price war later.
For the vast majority of EV drivers both now and most likely rest of this decade they will be people who can charge at home (and also will be some second 'local' cars), and so the high prices charging away from home dont make much difference in the big picture. Ive done multiple 200-300 mile trips in the past year and still only charged at these expensive places less than a handful of times and I suspect that would be a common experience.
If were only using these as an exception which for most will be the case as most daily trips should be within the range of the car you purchased. When purchasing an EV calculate the longest trip you do often and then try to get an EV with this range so you can charge at home. However for the rare tour of Scotland or Cornwall then just suck it up and pay a few extra quid and add it to the holiday experience but day to day costs are almost nothing.
@@michaeldawson6309 exactly. There's an awful lot of "low hanging fruit" with regards to EV users. Most car owners with drives don't have an EV yet).
On the cost to a company car driver not caring, they do where I work; if the lease company see you have done more miles than they expect of used a more expensive stop for diesel they immediately mail the driver and manager with a point blank bollocking irrelevant of if they had no option to fuel somewhere else or traffic made them divert. The electric prices at charging stations needs to be made clearer and visible as per the petrol stations.
Hi Dave could you please share the link to see the map of future charge installations?
Memberships make no sense for me. When i need a rapid charge its probably not going to be on the same network as the last one i used because im in a different place.
Good in you Dave the people's champion of cheap fast charging😊
Knowledge is power. Choice is enabled.
How realistic is the market. What is the level of subsidy?
Long term providers must make a profit to remain in business. Capital costs will be covered by income.- when the subsidy goes.
Yes supermarkets and others may or not in the longer term provide a no profit service to attract business.
You are providing exactly what is needed.
Well done. Congratulations on an excellent video.
Thank you. Very well thought out content and much appreciated. 👍👍
Thanks Dave, very comprehensive overview full of sound advice.
I like the fact that some chargers are illuminating the price so it is much clearer for users
Awesome content.
I have had to become a member based on your previous recommendations.
Found the sweet spot on my charging patterns.
BP pulse became my chosen provider as the nearest Tesla compatible unit for Volvo XC40 was a good 7.8Km away.
Thanks 🙏
Love your content , keep it up !!
I’ve just bought an Egolf. I know I will be charging slower but that does not bother me. My work, right in the middle of Newcastle has a car park which is £9 for the day, I can street park for around £2.50 but have just noticed that I can get FREE 7kw charging on one of the new 20 charge spaces.
hi Andy I am in newcastle to where are these 7kw charging spaces you were on about.thanks.
Newcastle Helix, it’s a new multi story but is on zap map. NE4 5BQ
Hmm, so if you parked there for 8 hours you would get up to 56kwh theoretically for your 9 pounds. Just over 16p per kwh, and the parking for free if you want to look at it that way. Not bad. Of course your eGolf probably has a smaller battery than 56kwh, but even so, even at double the price that's cheap.
SWARCO have most of the car parks in Cornwall and when I checked yesterday the rapid chargers are 69p per kW.
I'm wondering if the 79p is not necessarily profiteering but used to generate the revenue to put more and more chargers in more locations?
Cheers Mate
Got given a voucher for money off at sainsbury's petrol yesterday and gave it back as both me and the wife both have evs, wonder how long it will be until they start giving out vouchers for ev charging. That might actually make sainsbury's chargers a usable price.
Also as an uber driver I got a free subscription for bp pulse including the free credit they give you too. Not any use to me as I do all my charging at home but my wife's mini hasn't got the best range and she does a 60 mile round trip a day for work so may use it occasionally
Always glad to see the Osprey chargers unused while I head to the local (busy) Fastned
E.on Next now have their Drive V3 tariff giving 7 hours off peak at 6.9p per kwh.
...and at Darts Farm, Exeter, you have an absolutely brilliant farm shop too.
Thanks for an excellent summary. Really good to see the investment in infrastructure continuing. Such a shame that the government dont cap the electricity prices charged by these profiteering companies so as to promote EVs further.
You ask "why look for just any charger network when you are low?". Answer, because I don't know where I will be when I need a charge. 19 fast charges in 27,000+ miles around the UK.
Any one network is very low density (except Tesla but then not all of those are public access).
A monthly deal has zero attraction to most EV drivers and the thieves who run the chargers very carefully make sure this is so (except Tesla).
Good video Dave. First point: Whilst EVs will be able to charge progressively faster and batteries will get bigger, the number of miles covered per kWh is going to remain the same. For this reason 350kW and 250kW chargers are going to be able to provide the same range per minute now as they will in 5 or 10 years. At 4 miles per kWh a 350kW charger can provide 60kWh in 10 minutes which is enough for over 200 miles of driving in a reasonably efficient EV. Even if I have a 150kWh battery that can charge at 1MW, a 350kW charger will still be very useful to me. Second point: whilst cost is a factor, other factors that are important are location and queues. I regularly travel up to the North East but have yet to use the Superchargers at Scotch Corner or Washington because they're quite old, small installations and are always very busy. Rather than queue I just use Gridserve instead at either of these locations. Equally, if I take the A19 route rather than A1, I'll charge at MFG because they have two convenient locations just off the A19 at Wolviston and Thirsk. This convenience is far more important to me on an occasional long journey than a few pounds saved in charging. If I'm that bothered about the money then I'll take a packed lunch and my own coffee rather than going to Starbucks and buying a McDonalds to even things out.... I will very happily use Superchargers and prefer to do so, but not when they're busy. Ionity are similar, their locations at service stations are often some of the worst for queuing so I avoid. And as an aside cheap off peak pricing tends to be found at these older, busier Superchargers and it exists to try to relieve demand at peak times, perhaps from people who live locally. You don't get it at larger installations where queueing is rarely a problem.
Thanks for the great vid Dave. Can you please post the URL for that TESLA charging locations map please?
.64p is bonkers, thats around 18p per mile , my 15 year old diesel coat around 15p per mile. Tesla in my area off peak is .47p thats around 13p per mile. these prices are way off where they need to be to get people without home charging to adopt EV's. The thing that makes this even worse is these companies are being subsidised by government grants to install these chargers . To put these prices into context you can get domestic energy (as an individual) for 23p 24/7 5p off peak
As such I would only use these as an emergency and 99.9% use home charging but this is why I bought an EV, as my usage was well within the range of the home charged vehicle. If I was still working as a sales engineer I would have a hybrid (Prius) as I did have and it was great. However my 160 mile BMW i3 has sufficient range for over 99% of my trips.
But of course you totally miss the point. I charge at 7.5p per mile for 80% of the time so 2.5p per mile and only ever use the ridiculous 24p or 40p when on a road trip. You pay 16p per mile ALL THE TIME poor you
@@davetakesiton Thats fine for people who can charge at home, but what about all the non-EV drivers who cannot charge at home? The Government's own figures say 45% of ICE car owners will not be able to charge at home and will need to use public chargers. As someone who cannot charge at home and would have to use public chargers all of the time it is an obstacle that at the moment I cannot overcome. I have put off buying a new car for 2 years, but when I do buy anew car later this year it will be a petrol engine car.
It's a big worry charging before you buy an EV. I now have two EVs. I have travelled hundreds of miles, sometimes doing 2000 miles trips away from home. I've never had a problem. When I used to drive diesel I knew where petrol stations were across the country. I used to fill up at cheap stations. It's the same with EV chargers - I charge at cheap chargers. It's just getting used to a different way but it's similar. I was scared stiff on my first long trip away - all due to the negative press. It was fine.
@@davidwilson4468 in sweden half of the population lives in an apartment. but even if I could charge at home, I pay 26p / kwh, they added a new tax this year for griduse / kwh, and prices just is going up.
Ionity with Electroverse for Octopus customers is 65p per kwh.
Fantastic to see but as our Tesla does over 300 miles our visits to Wales & back to Halifax means we don't need to charge, sometimes we stop for coffee but only use the Tesla chargers .... but for all the non-Tesla EV owners this new entrance to the market can only be good news
Which entrant are you referring to please?
Genie Point appear to have installed a new charger at Morrisons in Whitefield Manchester
Problem with BP pulse at the moment is that taking out a subscription is failing - I’ve tried twice to organise a subscription as my nearest (100m away from my house) rapid charger is a BP Pulse 50kW unit. It’s convenient if I need to give my car a quick fill up as I can drive to it, leave the car charging and take the dog for a walk or even pop home while it charges.
But I’ve tried a couple of times to take out a subscription but I have never received the RFID card or confirmation from BP. I also tried calling them but didn’t get through to anyone. 😢
Subscriptions ought to be illegal, certainly if they offer cheaper charging. You do not normally need to have a subscription for petrol and with no tie to any provider you are free to shop around. Hopefully this subscription nonsense will be dropped once there are sufficient chargers and providers so that there is price competition, just as there is for petrol .
It's in the name- British Petroeum. EV chargers are just a bit of greenwashing they do. I think if you perservere you may succeed. Offer to write to the media about the lack of response.
Hi Dave; is there a map that shows the costs of all the chargers like 1-2-3 Fuel?
Evening mate
Pod point. In the Isle of Man 31.5p 7 KW
Just watched your very informative video but am a bit confused , is there a difference between the Trafford park and Trafford centre superchargers? Don’t see both on the Tesla map
Dave, AG is 5p off using the app👍👍
No mention of Podpoint. 65p/kWh
39p per kWh BP Pulse Marygate Car Park York. 16 AC chargers usually plenty available but only 7kW
Hi Dave we are going on holiday to Wales during the summer and will be staying near Camarthen, I've noticed that there is a Tesla superchargers and wondering if get the membership for just the one month as this will be the only time I need it for the one week on holiday, as the rest of the year I charge at home
BYD Atto 3 cannot charge on Tesla charges. I’ve tried it. It did not work with my car.
Hi Dave, Just wondering, if your charging session spans between peak and off-peak does the price change while you are charging or are you locked into the price when you started charging?
It's the price at which the charge commences. Either up or down so if it's about to go off peak, either wait or stop, disconnect and start again. Simply stopping the charge is not enough to trigger a new charge rate.
I know people who do not have a Tesla and they say to hell with people power, they charge when a where they can on a longer trip. If it works they use it. You predicted a price war well a few pence will not make a difference.
I had a problem with my 2023 MG ZS at a Tesla open to non Tesla’s,
I have an account with them card details already to go but couldn’t get a charged
Found out later my car needs an update to charge on Tesla chargers so it’s booked in for the upgrade under warranty what gets me it’s just been serviced it should have been done then😢 the update is on the BMS, EVCC and OBC modules to allow Tesla charging
When you do the RFID cards watch out for shell doing things differently ! They give you an account and bill you the next month, so for roadtripping your bank account escapes the onslaught for the current month leaving a few more pennies for spending
Instavolt always used to be my go-to because the slightly higher prices justified the good maintenance and high availability. Now though, wild horses couldn’t drag me to one of their chargers - disgraceful pricing and many other networks have just as good reliability now. I’ve filtered them out in ABRP on principle.
at anything over 70p a kwh it makes it more expensive than it is to run my golf r
I see you visited Cairn Lodge. Anything interesting to say about their Hydrogen powered chargers?
Tesla public chargers are the only ones with fair pricing. Ev point are ok with electroverse discount.
Great video. I've been using the tesla chargers as much as possible on my journeys. Ppl clearly don't realise you can do this. 55p at peak times compared to 79p for gridserve. No brainer. If I didn't have home charging then the subscriptions also work out well. It seems ppl are too lazy to do their research or just jump to the same conclusions.
Hi. What I am noticing is the amount of cars where the charge port is in the ‘wrong’ position for Tesla chargers, so taking up 2 bays.
Same as petrol flaps seems just random
Which is the reason the newer v4 chargers have longer cables.
The previous versions were never really designed for any other manufacturers cars because they was and mostly still are tesla only although more and more opening up to all.
Having charged a bit at Tesla stations in mainland Europe, where many more locations are open to non-Teslas, I noticed that the cars with the port on the other side know to congregate together so that only one bay is wasted in total.
I want to use Tesla as a non member, but the app only identifies a few that are ‘open’ to me. Is this correct? You seem to assume that non members can use most. Have I got that wrong?
No you are completely right Dave is just a massive tesla fanboy
As a non tesla driver I can confirm a few are open to all, but most aren't. I understand that legislation is in place to force them to open all new installations to all, and replace older ones when the time comes so things should slowly improve.
Hi Dave, do you have a list that the Octoverse card works on and what prices are charged for using Octo please, be useful to know before you do the separate video on the subject
The Octopus Electroverse app shows you all the chargers available either in the area you are situated or on a route, if you click on the charger you are interested in it will show the price.
@@leejonesNPTand it will show you how many of the connections are occupied/ vacant too
Easier to list those that aren't... Shell, BP, Gridserve, Tesla I think, all the rest are on it which makes it very useful both in UK and abroad.
@@chapmandu2 Abroad ? No I don’t go to Lancashire !!!!!
@@stevenbarrett7648 Very wise, Yorkshire is best with Northumbria for holidays.
it was only a month ago i paid 89p on my travels
Not sure why you think 65 or 69 pence is a good price - electricity prices are falling and the providers are making huge multiples. When compared to the Superchargers open to other manufacturers they are a rip-off. It is interesting the numbers of Tesla drivers who charge at non-Tesla chargers - implying that company car drivers presumably don't care about price?
Just wait while the current war effects filter through then you'll see what high prices are for electricity. 😢😢
Instavolt is still charging 85p but Ionity in Cobhamis only 71p. Both rapid
When I was down at The everything Electric show in London a few weeks ago I spoke with the Osprey team and challenged them directly about the £.79 rate and they effectively said to me two things.
1. they have to make a return on their backers investment for as long as they can, to counteract the huge charges of setting up a network.
2. they will do this for as long as they can until the competition drives down the rate.
65 or 69p isn't a good price, but given the choice of this or a higher price I would choose this. The point of what Dave is saying we can push prices down by not charging where prices are highest, so eventually all operators will have to come down to what is a reasonable amount
None of the networks besides Tesla charge a “good price” alas compared to home charging but do remember that Vat is 20% set by Hm Govt on all non-home chargers and that adds a significant amount. In these cash strapped days do we think the govt would cut that when tax and vat is a big earner for them on petrol/diesel? Alas no…..
I'm just about to get my Kona. Can I use any Tesla charging station
No sorry Christopher, many are available to all, but some are still exclusive. Download the free Tesla app and the superchargers open to non-Teslas are all shown with availability and prices. There are more than 50 locations and more than 500 charger bays. also on the Tesla website
85p /Kwh At Costa Brynmawr
Ripoff
What have tesla done with the supercharger pricing from 13 April?
Tesla is currently all over the place, each location individually priced and each having different peak and off peak times as well as prices. The average remains at almost exactly the same, as reported, about 55p for peak and 45p off peak and 24p super off-peak if you can find it. A full breakdown of all Tesla superchargers, their peak periods and their tariffs is being prepared for launch in May
Don't turn up and charge at Tesla supercharger if you have a Honda E, it will break and disable rapid charging... Not the only car that doesn't like it. CCS2 is NOT just a plug interface like suggested here.
Charged at an EG EVPoint ‘hub’ tonight. 4 chargers, only me on and 65p - chargers 150kW. Less than 100 yds away 2 people paying 85p at InstaVolt - 120kW!! Why would you not use the faster charger that is 20p cheaper?
Question: Do you think that EV Charge companies will make use of very cheap off peak rates, storing that electricity at the charge point to put into our EV’s in the mornings on a first come, first served basis?
I am probably not explaining myself very well and hope you get the gist.
Great videos, I am learning a lot - so pleased I subscribe 🎉
This is what Gridserve do, and what Tesla do in some sites (also modified by amending their prices to match wholesale and encourage off peak use)
@@Joe-lb8qn Thanks for commenting 👍
evyve have twenty 22kW chargers at 66p at the Media City multi-storey car park near the Lowry Theatre in Salford Greater Manchester
Apps such as zapmap and electro verse need to addd filters so we can filter prices and hide all these ridiculous companies thinking they can charge 79p
They're part of the problem
Unfortunately you cannot make a straight price comparison of the cost of fast home charging and rapid public chargers. Rapid chargers are expensive to install and maintain and the networks are probably also having to pay rent to the site owner/operator. Overheads have to be paid for just as if you buy a pint in a pub v the supermarket take away price. Networks are investing £ millions on building the infrastructure so prices will not stabilise until supply meets demand.
Mr Musk and the Tesla team are great
Ovo does EV charging for 7p/kWh.
OVO gives you a rebate that brings you down to 7p, but still charges you a standard rate for all charge losses of which 10% or more making the total cost per kwh 9.5pence per kwh
I don't see how you can blithely say that 64p is a great cheap price from EV Point, and then rattle off Tesla and other prices which are cheaper, going as low as 24p for off-peak. It seems like in this case the new entrants to the market DON'T want to compete on price.
I’m preparing a video on this but I agree, 64p is not cheap, just like when domestic electricity doubled and trebled in price it was not cheap but in both cases the prices are pretty much the best you can get at this time and some are cheaper than others. 64p is cheaper than 79p. The problem is too many people piled into EV charging when government grants were handed out and they priced their offerings at the then current rate of 79p and Tesla were exclusive. A few years down the line they are finding that 79p is no longer the going rate and Tesla is opening to all down around 50p. The market has shifted and the companies have not yet caught up. They will.
Crazy prices, pretty much double the cost per mile of a petrol car.
How have we gone from EV's being the low cost future just a few years ago, to it now being a "premium" way to travel for the wealthy.
The UK is just "rip off" central..
I have seen this claim that EV charging is double the cost of a petrol car several times but it is not true for all EV's and not on all journeys. The most efficient diesel EV (according to What Car) is the Skoda Octavia 2.0 with an mpg of 52 miles per gallon on the motorway. That is 13p per mile if you fill up at Asda (£1.50 a litre) but 16p a mile if you fill up at Cobham Services (£1.85 a litre).
A big heavy EV, such as the Jaguar F-pace, that tops up at services (or most public chargers) at £0.85 per Kw, with an efficiency of 3 kW (at best) per mile is £0.28 per mile on the motorway. So in that case it is double the cost compared to the Skoda that is only filled up at supermarkets.
However, if I charge my 2021 Hyundai Ioniq at home on Octopus off peak it costs 7p a Kw. With an efficiency of 5 miles per Kw that is 1p a mile. A motorway top will make my cost per mile 17p, which is only 1p more than Skoda that also tops up at the motorway services. But if I use a Tesla Super charger (open to all EV's) the cost is about 56p per Kw peak. That is 11p per mile. Even the Jaguar will be 22p per mile. A Tesla Model 3 can achieve the same efficiency as my Ioniq and their cost using any Tesla charger gives a cost of about 8p a mile.
If the speed of chargers increases to much you will have to stand there with your car and won’t have time to go to the toilet. This will benefit very few people if you don’t have time to go into the shops or the toilet.
Perhaps the electric supply will be a bottleneck to increased charge speed.
So you would “filling up” at the same speed as ICE vehicles…..something that has suited people for many years 😂
@@stephencrowther524only because ICE during is inconvenient in that you have to go somewhere to do something. The *only* saving factor is time for the process.
So yes, for anyone who is forced to do this regularly and has no home charging (or similar) then I agree, it would benefit.
From my experience though, at services, plug in, go to the loo, buy coffee, that takes 16 mins (last time I timed it). That's charging time and plenty of it.
What's needed is masses of lower power, much much cheaper options so even those without home charging could plug in just about every time they park and not be ripped off.
Am I wrong or did you say that the pricing war was starting some 6 months ago with Tesla’s new chargers. Hasn’t happened yet !! Sorry Dave but this is just more click bate.
In my option the UK charging network regarding cost per kilowatt and car park charging is one big Wild West. Nobody has a handle on this due to the fact that all 14 or so charger companies that make up the charging network in the UK are “ ALL PRIVATELY OWNED” and therefore are all answerable to their shareholders and what dividends they are earning. It’s an untenable situation and it can’t continue in this way It would be wonderful if the UK Government were involved in some way. It would then be much fairer on the electric car charging pricing to the general public and we would all understand the costs involved in using the UK charging network when on a longer journey apart from local town driving is required.
And don’t forget that our wonderful Government is also giving some of these companies our hard-earned taxes to fund their networks.
@@kennshearer526 Yes it’s totally ridiculous. Our UK Government need to bite the bullet and get a handle on our charging network asap. If they don’t the general public will stop buying electric cars and turn Back to ice cars or hybrids.
To be blunt, wherever you get profiteering due to lack of competition, there’s nothing to stop you setting up your own company and offering a price that undercuts the incumbent. The field is wide open for other players to come in and get the prices down - just so long as there’s profit to be found. Fairness doesn’t come into it. The government doesn’t run petrol stations, and those are all privately run. Society has accepted that status quo. Really the only place that government should have a hand to play is when private services are setup on government property (e.g. chargers on the street), and even then they only get involved just so they get a slice of the pie.
How can you possibly say that 79p/kWh is "pure profiteering" without knowing the capex and opex costs of the companies involved?
In terms of opex, you can have a good idea about the wholesale costs of electricity for the charging company (currently around £70/MWH). So long as the retail price they charge exceeds the wholesale costs+ VAT, then it should all be about utilisation rate.
At 79p/kWh with 1hours/day utilisation @ 100kW. That’s 100kWh coming to £79 revenue. Minus £15.80 VAT, minus £7 wholesale = £56.20 gross per day.
Other opex costs are per day rather than per use, so those costs will kill your business of utilisation rate is poor.
At 40p/kWh with 12hours/day utilisation @ 100kW. That’s 1200kWh coming to £480 revenue. Minus £96 VAT, minus £72 wholesale = £312 gross.
Much better!
I suspect that 79p chargers suffer very low utilisation and be the “charger of last resort”. I for one will only consider Tesla superchargers on long distance drives, unless I’m in a tight spot, and only when will I charge up “just enough” to get to a supercharger.
@@anthonydyer3939 The other factor is that Tesla's network exists to help it sell cars, not necessarily be profitable in and of itself. It's a loss leader in effect. They do dynamic pricing to try to even out demand and give incentives to charge off peak at busy locations. The other charging networks are effectively relying on the fact that for most EV drivers demand is relatively inelastic and there's not much competition, people stop where it's convenient rather than where it's cheapest. Personally my priorities are: 1) not having to queue 2) convenient location for my journey/bladder 3) price.
Exactly. I don't know the details of what each individual CPO is paying for each individual site because that must vary a lot but that has to be included in their costs.
I get bored with people comparing their cheap home overnight rates for AC charging with the amount for DC charging at a public charging hub. Try having cheap home AC charging without having spent a fortune on a house (capex). Try paying for a DC home charger to be installed (you can't but try anyway)@@anthonydyer3939
Your not paying for the electricity. The cost is in the site rent, the maintenance and the depreciation of the charging units. The low utilisation which is falling. The rate of charger installer is far out striping the uptake of EVs how long before a major charging network goes bankrupt. They weren’t full at Easter and they are certainly not full outside of 11.00 to 1400. 3.6 hours is the average utilisation for a charger.
This is the conundrum, as the battery tech improves and the range of cars creeps up, why would any one want to use a rip off public chargers when they can just plug in at home as they have the range. I think there is going to be a lot of upset in the future.
@@tangoadvance8393 the government plan 300,000 chargers with a total tax payer contribution of £4 billion. I don’t see the chargers ever being used above the current 15% usage. There is no business case at 79p a kWh without on going public subsidy.
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You have no idea how the supermarket business works. Supermarkets charge a lot for their petrol now they have no competition. They drove out if business local Butchers and greengrocers, buy selling cheaper. then upped the price for substandard goods Find a local Butcher or green grocer. the stuff they sell is far superior to supermarkets, and not much more expensive.
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Domestic electricity only pays 5% but business use pays 20%.
I bet the oil refinery gets out of paying 20% on their electricity through a loophole.
Japan EVs ? do they exist
If you want to know how much these companies are making - check Octopus tracker rates, currently about 13.5p per kWh.
How would that tell you how much they are making? YOu can just take teh difference and say "oh look thats all profit". Theres a LOT of costs involved in setting all these networks up and running them.
@@Joe-lb8qn . Before costs, you are looking at a 400% markup. Installing chargers can of course be expensive but there can’t be many businesses that work on a 400% markup.
@@bordersw1239 one charger can cost £200k. That's a LOT of charges to work through to get that back.
I appreciate that business electric is more expensive than home electric.... But still 65p per Kw is x10 home charging. How is that attractive?
Its only 10x if you are comparing to off-peak.
@@RandomNoob Why would you not compare to off peak? That's generally when you are going to charge most of the time.......
@@tangoadvance8393 Because off-peak is only that cheap because of the time of day and network load being lower, so unless everyone wants to go out to plug in and charge publicly on a rapid at 1am for example its not a fair comparison.
@@RandomNoob And when else would you compare it? Or should I fill up my ICE car at the motorway services and not Tesco...??
The aim is reduce the cost of travel not piss your money away on the most expensive fuel you can find.
@@RandomNoob Only it is a fair comparison as that's how people charge. When the range of future EV cars goes up even further no-one will use these public chargers as they will have the range to get home a lot more often. There will be trouble ahead for these companies unless the prices come down A LOT!!!
As per usual, nothing for us Leaf owners.
Lets get real. 65p per kwh is absolutely NOT a good price. Europe is half the price, and the average wholesale price of power in the UK right now is below 17p per kwh. We are being screwed and I suspect the EV charger industry is colluding to keep the price of public charging some small percentage below the equivalent petrol/diesel price.
Another Tesla willy waving video.
Perhaps you could actually talk a bit more about the other networks?
If they charged 47p like Tesla maybe they would get a mantion !
He mentioned several other networks in this video.
U.K. market is fundamentally flawed in EVERY metric you choose to look at at compared to anyone else on this planet!
And I include the price of the vehicles too.
Having been an EV driver for 8 years I’ve been fortunate to have worked out how to run my cars at £0.01p per mile … without any solar or other subsidised schemes. It’s not been easy and that’s why so many people stay away from EVs here. Broke, not broken - yet!
Stick your EV right up where the sun don't shine they are not the future, just wait til they start charging per mile then you will see the charging price increase to over a pound per Kw.
Sorry Dave but .64p is not cheap by any means. It just shoes how much the others are ripping people off that we think .64p is cheap!!
Totally wrong. I charge at home for 80% at 7.5p the majority of the time and only ever charge when on a road trip when I pay 40p 60p or even 79p only when I have to the odd occasions
@@davetakesiton It's not totally wrong at all, it's not cheap, there is no argument. I get the home charge bit as that's what most if not all EV owners do and that's why I just can't see the current EV public chargers continuing as they are with the prices. As the EV battery develops at the pace that it seems to be doing the range will increase meaning more and more cars will not require a public charge at all, Maybe one for a future video, is the investment in fast chargers going to pay off in the long run. Personally I detest the public charging fees as I feel I am being mugged in broad daylight and will only ever use a public charger to get the bare minimum into the battery to get home if I have messed up my plan. That model is not sustainable with the future development of battery range.
A suggestion for some of the phone apps would be to list the chargers by price, at the moment I haven't found any that can filter that way, maybe I'm missing it?
No membership, should be required, and 40 pkw is reasonable anything more is a rip off
Ovo charge anytime 7 pence per kwh
... only if you charge at home using an ohme charger?
Money for nothing..
No cost to pay somebody sat at a till
No cost to a driver to deliver the fuel
No cost for the delivery of the fuel itself.
Oh and let's not forget it has 20%vat because the Tories love dirty oil.
Roll on July 4th...
Always said 50kWh chargers would soon be redundant the lack of future vision with these installers is staggering.
I think if they drop the price to charge on these older units to around 30ppKw then they will be worth using if you just need a bit of a top up whilst having a meal stop
They're not redundant, just need to be at appropriate places. I.e. where you're likely to be for a while but not overnight.
@@djtaylorutubeExactly.
When they were first installed it was probably all the local network could deal with. In addition more powerful units were really expensive at the time. Both have improved quickly.
Plenty of EVs on the market today that can’t take advantage of more than 50Kw and even those that can often need to be at a very low state of charge with a warm battery.
Bp pulse are a complete ripoff
OVO is less at 7p/kWh all day and night long .........
Missed that, thanks the for correction
Interesting that you haven’t mentioned She’ll Recharge as it is on your boycotted list. They are now charging up to 93p per kWh which is truly outrageous. They clearly doing everything to slow down EV adoption.
Cut the crap and just use Zap Map.
Dude! Buy yourself a real car 😅😅. Gas vehicles are less expensive, MUCH easier and they are better for the environment. Think about what you are doing!!
Stopped at Frankley S the other day charged at Tesla went into the complex and on the way Gridserve were completed deserted
We recently holidayed in Anglesey. We purposely chose a house with an EV charger, use of which was included in the weekly rate. Had we not had the charger at base that week we would have really struggled. Very few "rapid" chargers and those ranged from 40kw to 50kw, expensive and hardly rapid. None of the carparks we parked in had any form of charging. Very poor show.
304 ish miles from home, door to door. One charge on route each way. Both at Tesla open superchargers and cost worked out at less than 10p a mile. Trentham on the way and Frankley Southbound on the return.
Interesting at Frankley was that I was the only none Tesla on the Tesla superchargers paying 44p kWh vs the packed gridserve chargers at 79p.
Also of interest at Frankley was the lack of parking for cars not charging. It was packed with cars trying to park with a queue on the slip road. Plenty of avaliable EV chargers waiting for me to pull into, if only all those ICE cars trying to park would get out of my way!
It was also good to see at Frankley an accessible charging bay which allowed for more space around the car for people with mobility issues.
Destination AC charging is going to be a massive part of the solution. It can be, like your example, at a holiday venue or it can be at a friend/family member's house. We have a home charger so if we have friends or family staying and they have an EV and need a charge they can use our charger
@@timrothwell33 when our neighbours family visit from London they use our charger to recharge. We have a friend in the village who has an electric company car but is unable to charge at home, he also charges at ours once or twice a week. As long as I don't end up out of pocket it's fine with me.
I did a rough calculation and I would say our charger spends 90+% of its time not charging@@twerki78