Just a quick note on Ionity chargers. Twice over the last 18 months or so, I've needed to use them before the cheaper superchargers. However, when there has been a problem with the payment system or the app. I have called customer services, and they have initiated a complimentary charge, completely free. That's great, customer services.
At roughly the time you were posting this video, I had the misfortune to be hiring an EV in the UK. Now to be fair, I did not run out of power and did get the car back to the hire company without incurring ludicrous charging costs. I hired a Polestar 2 from an airport based rental company near Manchester. It came with 80% charge which was more than enough to get me to my destination which was North Wales. We could not find many charging stations but did confirm there was one at a supermarket in Bangor and it worked with the Shell Recharge dongle we had been given with the car. However it was a slow charger and so instead we went to our destination and slowly trickle charged from a mains socket there. We spent a lovely few days, never saw a charge station in any of the touristy places we went, and eventually it was the day of departure. We charged to 100% (I know, I know) and headed back to Manchester and arrived with about 65% charge. We followed the navigation to various chargers. The first turned out to be a slow charger outside a private business and then we came across a BP charge station. Naturally the Shell dongle was not accepted so we tried our credit card, it too was rejected so we went indoors and the staff were so apologetic and gave us a cup of coffee for free. Eventually we gave up on charging the car and went to the hire company who charged us a meagre amount to top it back up to 80%. Now we are from the Netherlands. I have a Shell Recharge card (used to be LoveToLoad) and in the ten years I've had it, I have only once had the card rejected and that was because the charge station was private. There are literally 10s of thousands of charging stations in the small country we call home and many hundreds of those are near us. Virtually every car park has a charging station and usually that's not just one but probably about 10. We have a public charging station in our street and more a few streets over. Every one of them takes my 10 year old card. If the UK and other countries are serious about EVs then they need to invest in an infrastructure that makes it easy to charge. I heard that the UK wants to make the use of debit/credit cards obligatory and that is a good thing, but it needs to work. The last thing we need are many different networks each insisting that you install their app. Ideally there would be a mechanism that is even better than I've described here in the Netherlands where I can easily pay with a bank card. It just seems absurd that people arriving from another part of the country or abroad are faced with an uphill struggle to charge EVs.
Really is your own fault to travel to a remote part of the uk and expect chargers galore. We are off to south of France and was offered an electric car and a 1/3rd of the price of the petrol but when I check the area we are staying there were very few charges so I went with a petrol car. It’s true though that the Uk does need more charging spots especially in supermarkets and restaurants.
@@johnw65uk Manchester? You call that remote? Now if you mean the area I was visiting, well it has some significant built up areas and those by now should have been equipped with basic charging facilities. I knew I'd be ok because I knew there was home charging as an option. But this is clearly why some British people condemn EVs because they don't have the ability to charge at home and the local authorities refuse to invest.
@@NickAskewyou said Bangor was where you were and had issues finding charging. And lots of people have home charging. Depends where you live but I can walk down my street and see at least 10% have charging. You seem to judge an entire countries charging on your own tiny experience. Oh btw since end of 2023 it’s now law that charging stations allow contactless.
@@johnw65uk I am judging the number of chargers based on uk charging maps compared to the Netherlands. I am not saying that nobody in the UK should buy an ev. If you have the infrastructure you need then great for you. My argument is that North Wales and other parts of the UK seem really far behind and that is a good reason for people there not to go electric. Taking Bangor as an example. The majority of homes have on street parking. Yes some have private driveways, but most do not. Where should they charge? Cables across the pavement? Furthermore, let's assume that places like Caernarvon, Beaumaris, Llanberis, etc are tourist destinations for people from other parts of the UK. Are you saying EV owners should hire a petrol car or avoid the area? As for your statement about contactless, yes I'd heard that and I think it's great. Shame then that they reject international cards. Again I think forcing them to use contactless payment is good but rubbish if they then reject international cards. A quick check online shows that as of 2022 your per capita usage of EVs was about half ours. Now that's not surprising given the areas of sparse infrastructure we both agree you have. We are a fairly densely populated country so providing the infrastructure is less of an issue. But also remember that we tend to favour other clean forms of transport such as cycling and public transport. So a lot of people simply don't drive and a lot of those people will be less well off. This means that as cars are replaced, they are more likely to be replaced by the wealthy who are prepared to pay a little more for an EV. So I'm not surprised that you have areas lagging behind, it's just a shame that they are not helped with central funding.
Interesting comments, thing is here in the UK Government is dominated by the buying power of big oil who virtually control everything they do, Shell and BP are also trying to green-wash themselves whilst at the same time grabbing any Government grants for installation of chargers yet slowing up activation plus there is no requirement when taking a grant to maintain said chargers so its another win for these businesses but nothing for we tax payers. Your country isn't dominated by the same few Oil Companies so I guess it's a lot more open to change whereas here its all about the money, Sound bites, back-handers, future positions as non executive directors on boards etc here in the UK. Thing is no matter who you vote for the Government still get in !
Hi Dave I think the Government Should state that every charging station should have a cover over it. So you don't get wet, that cover Then should have a Sonal panel on top plus a wind turbine and a battery to store the energy, So it would be green energy that you will be plugging in to your car and be a lot cheaper just like Tesla.
Got first ev on Monday, just charged at Instavolt, after 10pm its 54p/kw which is the only time ill use it. Max speed i got going from 50 - 85% was 72kw, worked well.
Hi Dave, Re: Octopus Intelligent Go. I have this tariff and the 7.5p rate is stated as being from 11:30pm until 5:30 am. I detached my car from Octopus control so that my daughter could access my charger with her vehicle (You can only register one car with Octopus so I was advised to do this by Octopus). The upshot is, although my daughter hasn't used my charger, I just plug it in after 11:30 and it shuts off at 80% (set on my car app). Doing this will remove the apparent anxiety you have about when the lower tariff is active. The benefit of allowing Octopus to control your charging schedule, is that it will charge at other times of day on the lower rate if Octopus choose to do that. If that doesn't work for you, take control of the charger and plug it in when you know it's at the 7.5p rate.
As I charge at home I only use chargers on the road, when I'm in a tight spot. As much as possible I use the few Tesla chargers that are available for non-teslas.
I really like that EV Point have the pricing boards up giving drivers the opportunity to assess the charge per kWh before committing to charge there. I wish more of the CPO's would do this (my LinkedIn connections and I keep pushing them on this). A really detailed and informative video as usual Dave. Thanks for continually taking it on.
Good day Dave thank you so much for clarifying the information on the very deadly EV😂😂Here in Yankland unfortunately the Anti-EV lobby screams the loudest 😂😂Got a 80 klm radius I travel in when me Lorry is parked!! I fancy owning a EV! Thanks for helping me research 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Im just about to get my forst ev, a cupra born. For my almost 30 years of driving id drive past a fuel station to save a penny s litre out of priciple. The veriation on public ev prices is mental. I eint be doing to many charges outside my home, getting a 7kwh Ohmes installed, but its good to see how many tesla supercharger site are now open to the public. The monthly subscription for the discount is 8.99 at time of writing, and the savings ould pay for itself in judt two charges a month. Im going to have a joy ride aroumd Ireland in feb, so ill probably take the subscription for that trip and test it out. A quick look about the average price per kwh in the uk is 80p atm, looking at the tesla app the standard fee is around 65p and if you have a tesla sub its beween 35 and 45p. Thats a hell of a savings, and as pointed out in this video, they are more likely to work than not, and at full speed. My car iirc is 110kw or 120. I only found out today about the superchargers being public, and its really opend up what id do with this incoming ev.
Model 3P : So glad I bought a Tesla (it was nearly a BMW i3) - Can't believe the difference between Tesla SCs and others. We drove to St Just in Cornwall last Christmas and had no probs using just Super Chargers and completely managed by the car.. Average prices about 40p and from the NW the trip was dear enough in Winter due to reduced range. I might not have gone if I'd had to pay 69/79/85p per KWH.. We need a regulatory body to control this.
Ionity you can use the App or various RFID cards including Electroverse so you are not reliant on the contactless terminal. Indeed I would never use it as with Electroverse card it only costs 67p kWh and if you have the Ionity passort (£5.49 a month) its only 56p kWh.
I like the new video. Not so much Tesla fan boy this time LOL just a quick note. He spent a lot of time talk about West Moreland charge. They’re not in very many places at all and only on motorway services. And I think you should point out that EV ChargePoint are owned by the group that own Asda.
Recently got a Megane E Tech ... no driveway but got a Tesla site just 5 miles away and at 40p off peak pricing i am absolutely loving the savings....what i dont get though is why are other chargers so expensive while Tesla can do 40p.
Hi Dave, I'm realistic and understand Chademo is going to fall by the wayside, but at the moment, and for the foreseeable future I have a Nissan Leaf that I am happy with. Your videos never seem to mention Chademo but it will be useful if you could indicate if it is not available when you are discussing sites. Thanks
Hi, like yourself I have a Leaf. So it’s like Betamax, on the way out and limited. Some chargers are fuel head so ok, but always check in advance. I now get back in the old CRV petrol on long trips, can’t be assed any more with slow expensive charging. Take care M.
Dave thanks for very informative guide to EV charging! I’m very new to all of this, to the point I get my first EV car next week, so I’ve never charged one before, my question is, & please forgive me if you’ve covered this, or it comes across as a stupid question? “Can I charge my “NON TESLA” EV Car at a “Tesla Charging Station” if they’re available?? & is there any restrictions charging vehicles to certain chargers? I know you mentioned the Nissan Leaf & I assuming they have a different type of plug than the rest ! Thanks for your time !
You will pay the price from whatever charger is available and or not broken, you have no choice in the price, either charge at which ever charger is available, or you get your EV towed. So whatever charger you get, what ever the price is you pay it :) Also the charging is that power output the same if all the chargers are being used or is that power shared, so you get much slower charging ?
Similar issue on M42 Warwick Services. Southbound we 16 new Applegreen chargers and only two old Gridserve 40kw chargers on the Northbound services. Not great.
BeEV have just announced a big drop it their charging prices and introduced off peak. While I know your not a big fan they are one of only a few choices in Bolton. Makes them a little more appealing now to me.
Hi Dave👋, I just watched your excellent you tube post on EV charging pricing etc and it blew my mind as I didn't realise the benefits of knowing the pricing differences of different suppliers. I normally just call in to any service station and charge ( When I can 🤷♂️ ) I'm still relatively new to EV charging and still find it confusing when I see a name on the chargers that is not familiar to me and not sure whether or how I can use them🤷♂️. Can you please answer a few questions? I have "MANY" RFID cards for different EV companies....is it better to use them rather than a debit card or the app? Do you know if Tesla are opening up fully to other EV cars? I have a 400v car, can I use a 350kw charger or higher? Keep up the good work🙏. I have just subscribed and looking forward to your next post👍 Sent from Outlook for Android
I would rather have something than nothing if I’m in a tight spot for range. Then again we drive a 300+ mile Tesla so not been an issue for us over the past few years ! We visit Bradley Stoke on a regular basis but wouldn’t use these even though we go right past this location, no way are we paying stupid prices like this !. I imagine they installed here because they could grab the government grant for the work so a tidy profit plus if someone actually uses these chargers then its happy days !
I had a close look at the new model 3 Highland on Saturday and it has an astonishing 355 WLTP miles for the standard range and 421 for the long range. My 2019 model 3 SR had 265 miles range I think. Though I never got anywhere near using it all up.
Bradley Stoke is home to the Aztec West business park, it's a huge commercial park I could imagine that they envisaged workers would make the detour there during lunch before they commute home via the motorway.
I agree with Gridserve as some power is better than no power. Regards the single terminal at Gretna my approach would be to have at least two for resilience if the whole site is dependant on them. Yes monitor but keep the services running. This is a proper engineering approach to have multiple charging units centralised on a resilient payment rather than one each that when they fail that charger fails. But definitely not 1 payment that is stupid.
Yes I always do this. I will say I am born 1960 say but not the correct month or day. You do not want to be giving away personal identification like this that can help compromise your data profile.
That can come back to bite you. You must be consistent all the time or it can look like fraud. Failing a credit check when you appear to be trying to hide your identity will get you black listed. Even bank accounts can be locked and house sales/purchases lost when a bank sees inconsistencies.
Sometime it a chicken and egg situation with chargers. If you don't have home charging then seeing local chargers that seem to be working for several months might just be the tipping point where you accept its time to get an EV. I suspect some networks know there will be little usage now but want the placemarker so get in early.
My take for what it’s worth is that after the grant and installation costs have been recouped then there should be a price cap of 100% the cost of electricity. So 44-50p kWh just now. Also a scale per power they are rated at. Otherwise we will be ripped off indefinitely.
Wholesale electricity is around 6.8p per KWh but changes every few minutes. Impossible to police and enforce price caps based on wholesale prices. It has been as high as 60p. Do you want to pay £1.20?
@@mbak7801 up to June 2021 it cost me 12p kWh on BP pulse 50kW ex Polar units. The 79-85p they charge now is extortion. These chargers were paid for a decade ago. Something needs to be done.
Hi Dave. Thanks for all the great info on chargers and charges. Can I suggest that as you are going through the networks, that you list them on screen and the rate they charge? Is that doable? Thanks
I hope tesla dont open up all the supercharger sites to all evs....one of the big point for me.ordering one was the supercharger network and the amount of videos and comments ive read about other evs taking up 2 charging points because of the way theyve parked silly....
Entirely agree about date of birth and therefore Applegreen ban. We would travel 3-4 miles off the motorway to charge on a really long trip. We did exactly that on all our long Scotland trips when we had an ICE, using it as a meal break stop, so no different for EV charging for us.
The Problem with Chargers it's a Money Black - Hole No one benefits from it, Drivers get Frustrated with Slow speeds and there's no return on investment 🤷 I ve Calculated if you invest £30,000 on EV charger In 10 years you will still own £20,000 Only Temporary Government grants are making this possible at a massive Loss
@@davetakesiton thats because they make money from selling cars when they install Hundreds of Chargers they make at a Loss, they also manage to reduce how much they loose buy Building their own chargers reducing their losses Actually is just adding 1+1 Fuel Stations every Fuel car has to use it, Public Charging Stations, Very few EV owners use it in a Regular basis 🤷 and once a Charging Station is used it takes almost 2 hours per customer if you paid £30,000 you are not getting even £10,000 back after 10 years
@@davetakesiton in response To your Question How Tesla install so many chargers and makes a profit. It's called grants 😳, 950 million provided to multiple Charging Companies in the UK including Tesla It Explains why Charger Manufacturers are not even Worried if Works or not or if chargers are maintained and their paying Systems are Adqate , they got their Grant's, which is not a sustainable form of Business
I can tell you the octopus card works on Osprey. I need some charge when I was out found an Osprey charger and put the card on the RFID reader and it worked if it didn't I would have tried my bank card as most new chargers work on contactless.
@@5kram Yes i looked on the app today , there is a pub in my village with 3 , i tested them last year just to see what they were like and worked well , i saw that if i use it after 7.30 its 20% off with the RFID card, i want to try it out to see if it comes from my bill as i have some credit and to make sure its working i have home charging ill just put a little in , would be handy if i need to go somewhere in a hurry .
Sorry if this is a repeated comment, but my previous replies seem to have disappeared. The electroverse app has a detailed map in it. Have a look at that.
Why do we have to pay more money for rapid charging. It shouldn't matter if you charge 7kwh or 70kwh. If you have put we say 20kw to your battery we should pay just for used energy not speed + energy. Why then if you are filling up your petrol tank, you don't pay extra if the petrol pump is outputting 1L or 3L per 10 seconds. For me 20kw of energy should cost the same no matter what.
Ionity are starting to fall behind imo. They need more chargers on their sites. Disagree that they are reliable there are always chargers out of order at thier Stafford site.
The reason why the government is taking so long to clamp down on EV.Public charging prices is because You pay VAT on every charge, so Higher the price more VAT for the government and they're trying to get us to switch. Why? Are they not in electric vehicles
Why can't everyone else do the same as Tesla When it comes to the charging it's not hiding what they're doing, Because I spoke to a driver that had a tesla modern 3 And he said it's fantastic the car. Due to the charging network was the best The car talks with the charger and there's no issues, he Said There wouldn't Be any need to get at A Tesla if the charging network. Was the same everywhere as tesla
Dave you object to Applegreen’s demand for your data but your great god Elon is just the same when you sign up for the non Tesla owner use of the Tesla app.
Big difference! Tesla has my data and needs it and operates a privacy policy so my data it’s not sold just for profit. My bank has and needs my data and I choose what happens to it. My doctor has and needs my data. AppleGreen has absolutely no need for my data other than to sell it and I have no idea who they sell it to.
Plus i have Heard from a few private hire drivers in London and seen on the internet to that black cab drivers get £6000 pounds To change they vehicle from diesel to electric from the government/TFL But I see Government/TFL Isn't? Giving any help to the private hire drivers in london, If they register a car without a cab licence.Now it has to be fully electric, so they have to fork out the full price of the car, Why do the black cab drivers get help and not the private hire drivers in London Don't think that's fair, do you Dave?
Hi Paul, We’re long past the point where EVs need subsidising but let’s be fair; oil giants still get massive subsidies from tax payers. If they’re on offer nobody should be criticised for taking them. I would prefer all subsidies to end and for governments to do the right thing. Any chance?
i really hope that caravans etc don't start clogging up HGV specific chargers! Also why are you so against 50Kw chargers while in the same video moaning about everyone wanting everything fast? I currently have a Zoe from Onto which is going back shortly, it is getting replaced with 2016 BMW i3 as I really don't want to be forced back into an ICE for daily use. The price of these more affordable cars is coming down which means those on lower incomes can get into an EV, surely it would benefit that move if it was clear to them that doing an occasional roadtrip was possible.
I am totally for the right chargers in the right place: 7kW for overnight and long stay, and 150kW+ for Road trips, 50kW are a dying breed serving a very small number of older models. But essential to those of us who have them.
Yeah I was traveling and I needed a charge but as is was cheaper at 2A am I waited for 14 hours to get the cheaper charge. Bollocks! You charge when you need it not when you want,
Or just drive an ICE vehicle and not muck around with all that rubbish. Check the price if you feel like it, drive in, fill up in no time, pay at the bowser or go inside and chat to the operator and maybe buy a chocolate bar on a 2 for one special. The only thing I hear about having to fill our car ever is if the price of fuel is up and someone is commenting on it. Sure nice going on a trip and not having to plan it via refueling stops really.
I plan for new routes that I travel but more so to get the best value. There is such range in prices of public chargers it pays to do a little research and the information is easily available. My round trip cost in "fuel" for my EV for a 950km trip will be 25 euro. I was targeting 35 euro originally but there is a free charger at my destination which I only discovered upon my arrival.
@@paulbuckingham15 Yeah exporting the pollution elsewhere is so much better isn't it? Lots of pollution imbedded in making EV batteries and installing all the new infrastructure as well. Modern ICE vehicles are much better these days and we try and reduce our carbon footprint every day. I wonder how many people buy an EV and then think nothing of jumping on a plane or a ship to go on holiday?
@@brendansheehan7714 Watch the prices go up when/if uptake of EVs increases and power prices continue to increase. We use our vehicles very little so I usually just refill them when I see cheaper prices. If I'm going away camping I just don't really care about price. The less time I spend on the trip each way the more time I have to do the things I went for.
Just a quick note on Ionity chargers. Twice over the last 18 months or so, I've needed to use them before the cheaper superchargers. However, when there has been a problem with the payment system or the app. I have called customer services, and they have initiated a complimentary charge, completely free. That's great, customer services.
At roughly the time you were posting this video, I had the misfortune to be hiring an EV in the UK. Now to be fair, I did not run out of power and did get the car back to the hire company without incurring ludicrous charging costs. I hired a Polestar 2 from an airport based rental company near Manchester. It came with 80% charge which was more than enough to get me to my destination which was North Wales. We could not find many charging stations but did confirm there was one at a supermarket in Bangor and it worked with the Shell Recharge dongle we had been given with the car. However it was a slow charger and so instead we went to our destination and slowly trickle charged from a mains socket there. We spent a lovely few days, never saw a charge station in any of the touristy places we went, and eventually it was the day of departure. We charged to 100% (I know, I know) and headed back to Manchester and arrived with about 65% charge. We followed the navigation to various chargers. The first turned out to be a slow charger outside a private business and then we came across a BP charge station. Naturally the Shell dongle was not accepted so we tried our credit card, it too was rejected so we went indoors and the staff were so apologetic and gave us a cup of coffee for free. Eventually we gave up on charging the car and went to the hire company who charged us a meagre amount to top it back up to 80%.
Now we are from the Netherlands. I have a Shell Recharge card (used to be LoveToLoad) and in the ten years I've had it, I have only once had the card rejected and that was because the charge station was private. There are literally 10s of thousands of charging stations in the small country we call home and many hundreds of those are near us. Virtually every car park has a charging station and usually that's not just one but probably about 10. We have a public charging station in our street and more a few streets over. Every one of them takes my 10 year old card.
If the UK and other countries are serious about EVs then they need to invest in an infrastructure that makes it easy to charge. I heard that the UK wants to make the use of debit/credit cards obligatory and that is a good thing, but it needs to work. The last thing we need are many different networks each insisting that you install their app. Ideally there would be a mechanism that is even better than I've described here in the Netherlands where I can easily pay with a bank card. It just seems absurd that people arriving from another part of the country or abroad are faced with an uphill struggle to charge EVs.
Really is your own fault to travel to a remote part of the uk and expect chargers galore. We are off to south of France and was offered an electric car and a 1/3rd of the price of the petrol but when I check the area we are staying there were very few charges so I went with a petrol car.
It’s true though that the Uk does need more charging spots especially in supermarkets and restaurants.
@@johnw65uk Manchester? You call that remote? Now if you mean the area I was visiting, well it has some significant built up areas and those by now should have been equipped with basic charging facilities. I knew I'd be ok because I knew there was home charging as an option. But this is clearly why some British people condemn EVs because they don't have the ability to charge at home and the local authorities refuse to invest.
@@NickAskewyou said Bangor was where you were and had issues finding charging.
And lots of people have home charging. Depends where you live but I can walk down my street and see at least 10% have charging. You seem to judge an entire countries charging on your own tiny experience.
Oh btw since end of 2023 it’s now law that charging stations allow contactless.
@@johnw65uk I am judging the number of chargers based on uk charging maps compared to the Netherlands. I am not saying that nobody in the UK should buy an ev. If you have the infrastructure you need then great for you. My argument is that North Wales and other parts of the UK seem really far behind and that is a good reason for people there not to go electric. Taking Bangor as an example. The majority of homes have on street parking. Yes some have private driveways, but most do not. Where should they charge? Cables across the pavement?
Furthermore, let's assume that places like Caernarvon, Beaumaris, Llanberis, etc are tourist destinations for people from other parts of the UK. Are you saying EV owners should hire a petrol car or avoid the area?
As for your statement about contactless, yes I'd heard that and I think it's great. Shame then that they reject international cards. Again I think forcing them to use contactless payment is good but rubbish if they then reject international cards.
A quick check online shows that as of 2022 your per capita usage of EVs was about half ours. Now that's not surprising given the areas of sparse infrastructure we both agree you have. We are a fairly densely populated country so providing the infrastructure is less of an issue. But also remember that we tend to favour other clean forms of transport such as cycling and public transport. So a lot of people simply don't drive and a lot of those people will be less well off. This means that as cars are replaced, they are more likely to be replaced by the wealthy who are prepared to pay a little more for an EV.
So I'm not surprised that you have areas lagging behind, it's just a shame that they are not helped with central funding.
Interesting comments, thing is here in the UK Government is dominated by the buying power of big oil who virtually control everything they do, Shell and BP are also trying to green-wash themselves whilst at the same time grabbing any Government grants for installation of chargers yet slowing up activation plus there is no requirement when taking a grant to maintain said chargers so its another win for these businesses but nothing for we tax payers.
Your country isn't dominated by the same few Oil Companies so I guess it's a lot more open to change whereas here its all about the money, Sound bites, back-handers, future positions as non executive directors on boards etc here in the UK.
Thing is no matter who you vote for the Government still get in !
Hi Dave I think the Government Should state that every charging station should have a cover over it. So you don't get wet, that cover Then should have a Sonal panel on top plus a wind turbine and a battery to store the energy, So it would be green energy that you will be plugging in to your car and be a lot cheaper just like Tesla.
Except that Tesla chargers generally are not covered and don't have solar panels attached.
Solar panels won’t supply nearly enough energy. Have them by all means every tiny step helps but it is Public Relations not practical engineering
Got first ev on Monday, just charged at Instavolt, after 10pm its 54p/kw which is the only time ill use it.
Max speed i got going from 50 - 85% was 72kw, worked well.
Great update, and I totally agree, if you use rapid chargers, then pay the monthly fee and save lots of money per charge.
Hi Dave, Re: Octopus Intelligent Go. I have this tariff and the 7.5p rate is stated as being from 11:30pm until 5:30 am. I detached my car from Octopus control so that my daughter could access my charger with her vehicle (You can only register one car with Octopus so I was advised to do this by Octopus). The upshot is, although my daughter hasn't used my charger, I just plug it in after 11:30 and it shuts off at 80% (set on my car app). Doing this will remove the apparent anxiety you have about when the lower tariff is active. The benefit of allowing Octopus to control your charging schedule, is that it will charge at other times of day on the lower rate if Octopus choose to do that. If that doesn't work for you, take control of the charger and plug it in when you know it's at the 7.5p rate.
As I charge at home I only use chargers on the road, when I'm in a tight spot. As much as possible I use the few Tesla chargers that are available for non-teslas.
There are 66 sites available now.
I really like that EV Point have the pricing boards up giving drivers the opportunity to assess the charge per kWh before committing to charge there. I wish more of the CPO's would do this (my LinkedIn connections and I keep pushing them on this).
A really detailed and informative video as usual Dave.
Thanks for continually taking it on.
Good day Dave thank you so much for clarifying the information on the very deadly EV😂😂Here in Yankland unfortunately the Anti-EV lobby screams the loudest 😂😂Got a 80 klm radius I travel in when me Lorry is parked!! I fancy owning a EV! Thanks for helping me research 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
If they can't deliver full speed ( time is money) they should change the rate in line with what is delivered... So half the speed , half the rate .
That's a really good PR suggestion :-)
Im just about to get my forst ev, a cupra born. For my almost 30 years of driving id drive past a fuel station to save a penny s litre out of priciple. The veriation on public ev prices is mental.
I eint be doing to many charges outside my home, getting a 7kwh Ohmes installed, but its good to see how many tesla supercharger site are now open to the public.
The monthly subscription for the discount is 8.99 at time of writing, and the savings ould pay for itself in judt two charges a month.
Im going to have a joy ride aroumd Ireland in feb, so ill probably take the subscription for that trip and test it out.
A quick look about the average price per kwh in the uk is 80p atm, looking at the tesla app the standard fee is around 65p and if you have a tesla sub its beween 35 and 45p. Thats a hell of a savings, and as pointed out in this video, they are more likely to work than not, and at full speed. My car iirc is 110kw or 120.
I only found out today about the superchargers being public, and its really opend up what id do with this incoming ev.
Model 3P : So glad I bought a Tesla (it was nearly a BMW i3) - Can't believe the difference between Tesla SCs and others. We drove to St Just in Cornwall last Christmas and had no probs using just Super Chargers and completely managed by the car.. Average prices about 40p and from the NW the trip was dear enough in Winter due to reduced range. I might not have gone if I'd had to pay 69/79/85p per KWH..
We need a regulatory body to control this.
Ionity you can use the App or various RFID cards including Electroverse so you are not reliant on the contactless terminal. Indeed I would never use it as with Electroverse card it only costs 67p kWh and if you have the Ionity passort (£5.49 a month) its only 56p kWh.
Great video Dave, loads of information on the chargers and prices.
I like the new video. Not so much Tesla fan boy this time LOL just a quick note. He spent a lot of time talk about West Moreland charge. They’re not in very many places at all and only on motorway services. And I think you should point out that EV ChargePoint are owned by the group that own Asda.
Last time I was at Birch there were only three proper parking bays for the four chargers, I was only getting 9kW on a shared unit.
Recently got a Megane E Tech ... no driveway but got a Tesla site just 5 miles away and at 40p off peak pricing i am absolutely loving the savings....what i dont get though is why are other chargers so expensive while Tesla can do 40p.
Hi Dave, I'm realistic and understand Chademo is going to fall by the wayside, but at the moment, and for the foreseeable future I have a Nissan Leaf that I am happy with. Your videos never seem to mention Chademo but it will be useful if you could indicate if it is not available when you are discussing sites. Thanks
Hi, like yourself I have a Leaf. So it’s like Betamax, on the way out and limited.
Some chargers are fuel head so ok, but always check in advance.
I now get back in the old CRV petrol on long trips, can’t be assed any more with slow expensive charging.
Take care M.
Dave thanks for very informative guide to EV charging! I’m very new to all of this, to the point I get my first EV car next week, so I’ve never charged one before, my question is, & please forgive me if you’ve covered this, or it comes across as a stupid question? “Can I charge my “NON TESLA” EV Car at a “Tesla Charging Station” if they’re available?? & is there any restrictions charging vehicles to certain chargers? I know you mentioned the Nissan Leaf & I assuming they have a different type of plug than the rest ! Thanks for your time !
Please do a video on what cars can use the Tesla chargers open to the public
You will pay the price from whatever charger is available and or not broken, you have no choice in the price, either charge at which ever charger is available, or you get your EV towed.
So whatever charger you get, what ever the price is you pay it :)
Also the charging is that power output the same if all the chargers are being used or is that power shared, so you get much slower charging ?
Similar issue on M42 Warwick Services. Southbound we 16 new Applegreen chargers and only two old Gridserve 40kw chargers on the Northbound services. Not great.
BeEV have just announced a big drop it their charging prices and introduced off peak. While I know your not a big fan they are one of only a few choices in Bolton. Makes them a little more appealing now to me.
Great video dave.
Hi Dave👋, I just watched your excellent you tube post on EV charging pricing etc and it blew my mind as I didn't realise the benefits of knowing the pricing differences of different suppliers. I normally just call in to any service station and charge ( When I can 🤷♂️ ) I'm still relatively new to EV charging and still find it confusing when I see a name on the chargers that is not familiar to me and not sure whether or how I can use them🤷♂️. Can you please answer a few questions? I have "MANY" RFID cards for different EV companies....is it better to use them rather than a debit card or the app? Do you know if Tesla are opening up fully to other EV cars? I have a 400v car, can I use a 350kw charger or higher? Keep up the good work🙏. I have just subscribed and looking forward to your next post👍
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I would rather have something than nothing if I’m in a tight spot for range. Then again we drive a 300+ mile Tesla so not been an issue for us over the past few years ! We visit Bradley Stoke on a regular basis but wouldn’t use these even though we go right past this location, no way are we paying stupid prices like this !. I imagine they installed here because they could grab the government grant for the work so a tidy profit plus if someone actually uses these chargers then its happy days !
I had a close look at the new model 3 Highland on Saturday and it has an astonishing 355 WLTP miles for the standard range and 421 for the long range. My 2019 model 3 SR had 265 miles range I think. Though I never got anywhere near using it all up.
What is the fixed costs to just to have a charging station available? Many hundreds of pounds every month.
Bradley Stoke is home to the Aztec West business park, it's a huge commercial park I could imagine that they envisaged workers would make the detour there during lunch before they commute home via the motorway.
I agree with Gridserve as some power is better than no power. Regards the single terminal at Gretna my approach would be to have at least two for resilience if the whole site is dependant on them. Yes monitor but keep the services running. This is a proper engineering approach to have multiple charging units centralised on a resilient payment rather than one each that when they fail that charger fails. But definitely not 1 payment that is stupid.
Regarding data collection, in my circle of friends and family we’ve been inputting incorrect data things like date of birth etc.
Yes I always do this. I will say I am born 1960 say but not the correct month or day. You do not want to be giving away personal identification like this that can help compromise your data profile.
That can come back to bite you. You must be consistent all the time or it can look like fraud. Failing a credit check when you appear to be trying to hide your identity will get you black listed. Even bank accounts can be locked and house sales/purchases lost when a bank sees inconsistencies.
160kW is still fine for Model 3 and Y. After 30% SoC, it's already down at 150kW charge rate anyway. As long as it's not split like Tesla v2.
Sometime it a chicken and egg situation with chargers. If you don't have home charging then seeing local chargers that seem to be working for several months might just be the tipping point where you accept its time to get an EV.
I suspect some networks know there will be little usage now but want the placemarker so get in early.
Cheers Dave
Could you do a piece on ChargePlace Scotland? There seems to be some upheaval and it would be good to have some expert advice. Thank you
Yes, long promised not yet done. It is on my agenda and I will get up there for a few days this summer
When you say UK you forgot about ChargePlace Scotland. Rapid charging g at 35 on some sites. I at 40p for 22kW AC at the end of my street.
The same at Sandbach northbound on the M6 southbound is fine but northbound is useless
My take for what it’s worth is that after the grant and installation costs have been recouped then there should be a price cap of 100% the cost of electricity. So 44-50p kWh just now. Also a scale per power they are rated at. Otherwise we will be ripped off indefinitely.
Wholesale electricity is around 6.8p per KWh but changes every few minutes. Impossible to police and enforce price caps based on wholesale prices. It has been as high as 60p. Do you want to pay £1.20?
@@mbak7801 up to June 2021 it cost me 12p kWh on BP pulse 50kW ex Polar units. The 79-85p they charge now is extortion. These chargers were paid for a decade ago. Something needs to be done.
25 p 22p nice one Tesla chargers 👍
Is there a law coming in saying Ev chargers have to show price?
Yes
Hi Dave. Thanks for all the great info on chargers and charges.
Can I suggest that as you are going through the networks, that you list them on screen and the rate they charge? Is that doable?
Thanks
Great suggestion and quite doable I’ll give it a go
I hope tesla dont open up all the supercharger sites to all evs....one of the big point for me.ordering one was the supercharger network and the amount of videos and comments ive read about other evs taking up 2 charging points because of the way theyve parked silly....
Entirely agree about date of birth and therefore Applegreen ban. We would travel 3-4 miles off the motorway to charge on a really long trip. We did exactly that on all our long Scotland trips when we had an ICE, using it as a meal break stop, so no different for EV charging for us.
The Problem with Chargers it's a Money Black - Hole
No one benefits from it, Drivers get Frustrated with Slow speeds and there's no return on investment 🤷
I ve Calculated if you invest £30,000 on EV charger
In 10 years you will still own £20,000 Only Temporary Government grants are making this possible at a massive Loss
Great calculation, but how does Tesla install so many and make a profit? Their factual figures vs your guessed or made up figures?
@@davetakesiton thats because they make money from selling cars when they install Hundreds of Chargers they make at a Loss, they also manage to reduce how much they loose buy Building their own chargers reducing their losses
Actually is just adding 1+1 Fuel Stations every Fuel car has to use it, Public Charging Stations, Very few EV owners use it in a Regular basis 🤷 and once a Charging Station is used it takes almost 2 hours per customer if you paid £30,000 you are not getting even £10,000 back after 10 years
@@davetakesiton in response To your Question
How Tesla install so many chargers and makes a profit.
It's called grants 😳, 950 million provided to multiple Charging Companies in the UK including Tesla
It Explains why Charger Manufacturers are not even Worried if Works or not or if chargers are maintained and their paying Systems are Adqate , they got their Grant's, which is not a sustainable form of Business
As im with Octopus i sent off for their charge card but i cant find a full list of all the chargers i can use , Anyone have a link please ?
Have you tried emailing Octopus themselves?
@@Brian-om2hh No not yet but i need to soon as im having an air to air heat pump fitted soon .i just couldnt find a list .
I can tell you the octopus card works on Osprey. I need some charge when I was out found an Osprey charger and put the card on the RFID reader and it worked if it didn't I would have tried my bank card as most new chargers work on contactless.
@@5kram Yes i looked on the app today , there is a pub in my village with 3 , i tested them last year just to see what they were like and worked well , i saw that if i use it after 7.30 its 20% off with the RFID card, i want to try it out to see if it comes from my bill as i have some credit and to make sure its working i have home charging ill just put a little in , would be handy if i need to go somewhere in a hurry .
Sorry if this is a repeated comment, but my previous replies seem to have disappeared. The electroverse app has a detailed map in it. Have a look at that.
Ora Nice colour. End of.
15:18 - great idea, someone wipes out the control pad and ALL the chargers dont work 🤦🤦
Ditto Warwick services nth bound!
Gloucester services West moorland chargers not the most reliable according to zapmap users.
Why do we have to pay more money for rapid charging. It shouldn't matter if you charge 7kwh or 70kwh. If you have put we say 20kw to your battery we should pay just for used energy not speed + energy. Why then if you are filling up your petrol tank, you don't pay extra if the petrol pump is outputting 1L or 3L per 10 seconds. For me 20kw of energy should cost the same no matter what.
Ionity are starting to fall behind imo. They need more chargers on their sites. Disagree that they are reliable there are always chargers out of order at thier Stafford site.
The reason why the government is taking so long to clamp down on EV.Public charging prices is because You pay VAT on every charge, so Higher the price more VAT for the government and they're trying to get us to switch.
Why?
Are they not in electric vehicles
That doesn’t make sense, they are pushing EVs and they lose fuel duty and VAT on fuel
@@davetakesiton look at all the vat they're making on somebody buying a ev
Why can't everyone else do the same as Tesla When it comes to the charging it's not hiding what they're doing, Because I spoke to a driver that had a tesla modern 3 And he said it's fantastic the car. Due to the charging network was the best The car talks with the charger and there's no issues, he Said There wouldn't Be any need to get at A Tesla if the charging network.
Was the same everywhere as tesla
Dave you object to Applegreen’s demand for your data but your great god Elon is just the same when you sign up for the non Tesla owner use of the Tesla app.
Big difference! Tesla has my data and needs it and operates a privacy policy so my data it’s not sold just for profit. My bank has and needs my data and I choose what happens to it. My doctor has and needs my data. AppleGreen has absolutely no need for my data other than to sell it and I have no idea who they sell it to.
Too long...
You drag it.
Short, concise and to the point will have better viewership.
You don't have to watch it
Plus i have Heard from a few private hire drivers in London and seen on the internet to that black cab drivers get £6000 pounds To change they vehicle from diesel to electric from the government/TFL But I see Government/TFL Isn't? Giving any help to the private hire drivers in london, If they register a car without a cab licence.Now it has to be fully electric, so they have to fork out the full price of the car, Why do the black cab drivers get help and not the private hire drivers in London Don't think that's fair, do you Dave?
Hi Paul, We’re long past the point where EVs need subsidising but let’s be fair; oil giants still get massive subsidies from tax payers. If they’re on offer nobody should be criticised for taking them. I would prefer all subsidies to end and for governments to do the right thing. Any chance?
I get what you're saying, but why are they giving it to one but not the other.
@@pauloshea5069cause the black cabs cost about 3 times more than normal ev car that one can use for private car hire
@markkelly9095 But TFL should still give help to the private higher drivers as they get a license and Governed By TFL It shouldn't be all one sided
Hello mate
i really hope that caravans etc don't start clogging up HGV specific chargers!
Also why are you so against 50Kw chargers while in the same video moaning about everyone wanting everything fast?
I currently have a Zoe from Onto which is going back shortly, it is getting replaced with 2016 BMW i3 as I really don't want to be forced back into an ICE for daily use. The price of these more affordable cars is coming down which means those on lower incomes can get into an EV, surely it would benefit that move if it was clear to them that doing an occasional roadtrip was possible.
I am totally for the right chargers in the right place: 7kW for overnight and long stay, and 150kW+ for Road trips, 50kW are a dying breed serving a very small number of older models. But essential to those of us who have them.
Yeah I was traveling and I needed a charge but as is was cheaper at 2A am I waited for 14 hours to get the cheaper charge. Bollocks! You charge when you need it not when you want,
Tesla chargers are so much cheaper do people not understand this ?
Fast food outlets are addictive. Once you get one or two you get an addiction more than tobacco.
Can you please make shorter more concise videos with this information. Now that would be really helpful ;-)
Lots of repetition and arm waving
Soon prices will ramp up to 99p. In my day petrol would never get to a pound a gallon.
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No objection driving down a motorway with lorries and petrol cars, but object to charging at a petrol station.
I do not care about speed only price. 22KW is ok but not great, 50KW is better. Hopefully I will never use a public charger.
Good philosophy, If I wasn’t running the channel testing chargers I would charge always at home apart from maybe 2 longer trips per year
Or just drive an ICE vehicle and not muck around with all that rubbish.
Check the price if you feel like it, drive in, fill up in no time, pay at the bowser or go inside and chat to the operator and maybe buy a chocolate bar on a 2 for one special.
The only thing I hear about having to fill our car ever is if the price of fuel is up and someone is commenting on it.
Sure nice going on a trip and not having to plan it via refueling stops really.
I don't want to emit tailpipe toxic fumes on the road I live on.
I plan for new routes that I travel but more so to get the best value. There is such range in prices of public chargers it pays to do a little research and the information is easily available. My round trip cost in "fuel" for my EV for a 950km trip will be 25 euro. I was targeting 35 euro originally but there is a free charger at my destination which I only discovered upon my arrival.
@@paulbuckingham15 Yeah exporting the pollution elsewhere is so much better isn't it?
Lots of pollution imbedded in making EV batteries and installing all the new infrastructure as well.
Modern ICE vehicles are much better these days and we try and reduce our carbon footprint every day.
I wonder how many people buy an EV and then think nothing of jumping on a plane or a ship to go on holiday?
@@brendansheehan7714 Watch the prices go up when/if uptake of EVs increases and power prices continue to increase.
We use our vehicles very little so I usually just refill them when I see cheaper prices.
If I'm going away camping I just don't really care about price.
The less time I spend on the trip each way the more time I have to do the things I went for.
@@oldbloke204I don't want to emit tailpipe pollution on the road I live on.