Survival Saw Shootout- Katanaboy V.s. Bucksaw
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The teeth on the Katana Boy are made to be filed. Silky even offers the fitting file on Amazon. Might be an idea to ad it to your shop. As far as I know all Silky saws have straight teeth instead of stilted, as the blade is widest on the cut and smaller to the "spine" of the blade. So the cut makes room for the rest of the blade.You could just measure it with caliper on the saws you have. ;)
Great video. Almost got some popcorn with it!
Greetings from Sweden!
Love the video but no one in the comments was talking about the little 500(good choice if you're on a budget, need it quick or to support W). But if you're going to go big, I like the katanaboy 650. $192 e bay. From Japan- takes a couple weeks. Love mine for small to medium trees. The silky I use the most is my sugowaza. I also have a sharp bucksaw that I occasionally use on stuff over 8". But the reality is that a Stihl chainsaw comes out at that point.
daniel hammond My 44 is such an awesome saw. 46 is great for big timber. A lot of professional loggers I know run them. I'd say for the average Homesteader the 44 is all you need. 46 is more powerful, a little better built, more expensive but also heavier. Unless I'm doing firewood, I like my 36 for clearing, log cabin notching and general use because it's so much lighter.
Wranglerstar hats on backwards lol
Wranglerstar that katanaboy is 50cm(centimeters) or 500mm(millimeter) 500cm is 5 meters which is roughly 16 feet
I'd really like to see how a 500cm saw would perform.
If it was any MORE than 2 passes, I'm afraid I would pass out from running the length of each pass of the saw before I made it through a full cut!!
Yep, Metric is so confusing.
It’s a 500mm blade
50cm
500cm is basically a band saw size
Small band saw but still
“500 cm”
That there my friends, is a 15 foot saw...
A bit over 16 foot but close enough
@@HomelessSoldierMan Japanese steele IS SUPERIOR!!!
@@jonothandoeser what
@@HomelessSoldierMan Japanese steel work has always been exacting and superior. As witnessed by the legendary Katana! Far superior to European metallurgy going back for centuries! We must bow before them on this.
@@jonothandoeser I didn't say anything about japanese steel
The advantage to cutting on the pull, that very few people seem to mention is that when you cut on the pull the saw is under tension instead of compression. This means that the blade is pulled straight in line instead of the forces trying to bend it over. As a result you can use a thinner blade, which means a smaller kerf, less wood to cut through, and a lighter saw. In addition friction is reduced because the blade doesn't want to belly out and press into the the sides of the cut. Also pulling means you don't need as strong of a handle/the handles less likely to get loose over time because your pulling in line with the saw where as any wobble in a push saw means you could be pushing out of line with the saw.
Excellent point
Expert
I have never in my life fallen a tree or used a saw for long at all, but holy cow I loved this video. I respect both of these men more than you can imagine. I just bought a house and am setting up to restore wood working tools because of Cody. Thank you for this.
Obviously not a metric man when he thinks it’s 500cm😂😭
J-T-Hoodie has no idea what he’s talking about
More like 500mm
Its hard to figure out feet too
yup
@@fleshangel489 I get 500 feet and 500 inches confused all the time too so I understand.
Cody: "so this is good as you guys know, brians all about the metric system so that is......something 500..if its metric"
Brian: "500 cm would be my guess?"
People who use metric system:................................................................................................500cm is 5 metres. a standard door is 2 metres
B & A Talks so 500mm maybe?
exaxtly
A 5 m saw haha
2 meters tall that's important
B & A Talks i was wondering where he got those numbers from!? I was so confused for a second I thought that the math conversions I learned were all lies 😂
I can't believe I was watching this on the edge of my seat as if watching an epic finale battle. Loved that battle.
On a Japanese saw, when you pull it, it puts the blade under tension, somehow resulting in a smoother cut, the western saw is for roughcutting logs where the log will be shipped to a mill. Whereas a Japanese saw is for exact dimensioning. Another thing you’ll notice is that the Japanese saw is thinner than the western saw, and cutting on the pull stroke has something to do with it. Both saws have their pros and cons, but I would definitely choose a Japanese saw over a western any day.
Pull saw is finer I believe because the blade doesn’t bend as it is in tension and the blade is thinner than a western saw as the western has to be thicker as to not buckle under the compression and a pull saw doesn’t
the shape of the teeth on the japanese saw are different and cut only on the pull.
Cutting on the pull stops it jamming, the tension keeps it straight - on the push, the blade can try to bend through the cut under the compression, causing it to jam up.
Haha 500cm? Thats longer than most minivans
500mm would be better
ClickClick Gaming . Yup, but don't You just wanna see It? Single man 16ft ☺
A. G. Nah 500 mm is too small more like 500 grams weoght maybe
seeing as a 12 inch ruler is 30 cm or 300mm it is not 500mm
he doesnt know metric or like it i dont either
I think a good challenge would be a hike-in tree-felling. You both have to carry your saw with you for a 1 mile hike before felling a comparably sized tree.
Yep. That's another advantage of folding saws.
Yep, instead of a heavy axe, I always take a silky saw with me backpacking now. I replaced the axe's splitting capability with a larger knife. Makes a great combination.
BOB, and every millimeter counts when we're talking about fat wood. 😂
BOB, it's better than gold. 😂
Im here watching 2 grown men race saws and i have an online exam tommorow. What has my life become
Excellent energy Cody and Brian.When Brian's saw jumped out of the cut a couple of times,I thought he was done for.
That is great!
Still that big Japanese saw is not really the right saw
The Willow Leaf Pattern saw or Anahiki Nokogiri is much better for this.
Maybe I'll bring you one Cody.
Cheers from Japan!
The Tokyo Craftsman did Japan ever develop a two man saw similar the the American two man buck saw?
nathan buck yes
I looked up willow leaf saws after you mentioned them in a previous video, and I definitely would love to see this as well. It would be very interesting to see not only comparisons between Japanese and American brands but also Japanese and American styles of tools historically used for similar purposes.
Yes the willow leaf saw should be the one used here. The katana boy is more for trimming trees branches.
I love he keeps seeming to ignore you sir.
I appreciate the temperature in the top left corner. I’m always kind of curious about it, as I’m from Ohio. Fun, engaging test.
If any one ever told me that I would be excited over two dudes cutting logs, I would have laughed! Love the videos keep up the wholesome work guys!
You gentlemen did a great job cutting that beautiful log! Brian did a fantastic job using the KANTANBOY SAW FOR THE FIRST TIME USING IT! I am looking forward to seeing your next video!!! 👍👍👍👍
I bet where the Japanese saw would be great is when you're doing timber framing. You want a smooth cut and/or small kerf and you want to do traditional work by hand. Then this saw is going to do a great job on a large timber. You won't be in a hurry, so less fatigue and you get finer results.
Did wearing your cowboy hat backwards impede your performance 🤔😁
Fitz McFitzy not everyone gets a hat from Walmart I’d say it’s an actual hat hand made and shaped the way he wanted it....
Ya nah that hat was backwards
@@napoleontannerite8452 yeah no the hat was backwards
Glad I'm not the only ine who saw that lmao
@@napoleontannerite8452 can be hand made all it wants to be hes still wearing it backwards.....
More competition comparisons please...this was fun. Also, we use a gum removal cloth instead of wd40 since we store our root vegetables in the sawdust created from processing our firewood. 2 to 3 cords annually here in Alaska, with the kantanaboy.
Candle wax (beeswax too probably) is a good saw lubricant
Brian is great. I would like to see more of him in your videos. He reminds me that coworkers can make things more fun lol.
Ive missed seeing the loctite ! THANKS for another great video .
it's probably already covered in the comments but the the pull part of a saw, is where it's most efficient if you're pushing there's always a chance the saw kinks in the kerf or jams. I use Samurai or silky as well as Western cross cuts and the Japanese style pull saws always perform the best.
As for the size always think one meter or 100 cm equals approximately 1 yard, so 500mm is more or less 1 and 1/2 feet and that's probably about right for that saw.
LOL!!! Love you, Brian, thanks for joining the team!
Another cool, yet quirky video from wranglerstar that I find amazingly humorous. Comparing saws!!
1:52 Either he noticed your hat was on backwards or it was all part of the joke. lol
I wasn't going to say anything.......
Ok so the coy fish had me laughing. And then the Loctite. Hahaha
Best Wranglerstar video in quite some time. Great fun.
Honorable Brian-san, outstanding performance! It’s pretty interesting to say the least if not super tiring, thanks for sharing
I'm so glad to see that you re-did this test with a more comparable Silky; although, the silky 1000 is twice the length (obviously) as the Silky 500; which is still smaller than the buck saw. I have grown to absolutely love the Silky saws, and truly believe that, taking nostalgia aside, if you were to become familiar with, and use the Silky, you would be a true believer and convert to the platform. I would also like to see you redo your video on machetes. The one you did showed very poor performance. I love axes. I own 7 Grandsfors Bruks saws, in various sizes and for various purposes. Having said that, when it comes to chopping, a good machete wins every time in several categories, ie. speed, safety, fatigue, and tight angled swings. You do have to have experience with it; as you do with both platforms to be good. I challenge you to find someone who is learned in the use of a machete, and do a side by side. I think you may find a use for one in your toolbox so to speak.
Great content! I have been using a lot of the Japanese saws for a bit and have learned a lot using them. I bet he would have had an easier time with that saw if he was using it in the correct manner. Instead of using it like a western style saw, get lower than the log and just focus on the pull stroke in a downward action. Don't focus so much on speed, but getting a powerful downward pull. just my 2 cents.
Right on bro, a nice unbiased fair test......great work!..
Great fun! I think you guys are very fit. Thanks for sharing!
It looks like a 500mm
Great video!
Still I love this video. Being 35+ having a saw competition while wearing hats with your friend it awesome
Good info Cody, each season I trim the woodline edges I cut grass on.
This is a good option.
How they have fun on the farm!
I love listening to chinese music to represent my country 😂
Loved the vid tho keep it up
😂👍🏻
😂😂😂😂
Man!! You guys make me want to go to the gym and think my life over😊I would have been out of breath in seconds! Thanks for the amazing videos Cody
what is my life to watch 2 good ol boys cutting wood.
"Well cover our blades with some wd40" *"ive got mine all lubed up"*
I saw the 1000 katana it’s hilarious how big and man does cut fast.
Good Job Brian! And Cody you did good as well. I like the theme and it is good to have a side kick.
Aww man... that was so funny lol.
Good Sports ☺
Think Bryan had 2 strokes to Cody's 1 stroke.
I feel knackered after watching this, I'm done in with laughter 😂
The 500 centimetres floored me and then the head gear omg too funny.
Thank you so much for making my day happier.
Haven't watched TV for over ten years, you can't get content like this for Free anywhere else. We are made to feel welcome, we are encouraged to interact with the actors lol, and it's all REAL LIFE STUFF, NO SCRIPT.
BRILLIANT.
I need a Wranglerstar Flag for my Shed Roof ☺
That's a great idea. Someone needs to make some.
Brian's face lit up when you pulled out that 500 sentimetah saw. We like Samurai Brian.
After buying my first pull saw years back I don’t use any other. If he had practice and a tall blade I bet it would have been a third off that time. Due to the small teeth you can move even faster rocking your cuts with little to no effort. Really glad you guys made this video. You have more strength and control pulling to yourself than pushing away.
The bandanna and cowboy hat was so funny, what a nice touch! lol
you brought great honour to grandfather! So so so! :-)
Yer hats on backwards
Thug life
Levi Swang i was looking for this comment
both sides look the same
rexxed757 if you’re a noob
you dont see many cowboy hats here in virginia so forgive me for not knowing which side is the front
I feel I really enjoy your videos they kind of remind me of how America started from the good old tools that are still working today
Mr W and Brian that was a workout. Super fun.
Id like to see a comparison cutting hardwoods such as oak. I'm pretty sure these saws were intended for different woods.
What if you put the western handle and grip onto the blade of the japanese pull saw?
I love having Bryan/Brian on the channel. He looks so much like my (late) dad, it's uncanny.
HA! If this were the first Wranglerstar video I ever saw, I'm not sure I'd know what to make of your channel. I LOVE this stuff!
Proof of modern Japanese "pull stroke" superiority. I hate to say it but having grown up on the push stroke and later introduced to the pull stroke with induction hardened teeth, the Japanese are a crafty bunch... 🇯🇵
the weilder of the katanaboy did so many mistakes
someone told me the position is oposit to an push saw, witch you use best pushing down an angle so your shoulders are high
I've used both, and they have their advantages and disadvantages. The Japanese saws are great because they make clean cuts, cut fast, and are a bit easier to make accurate cuts with. To me, the big disadvantages of the Japanese saws is that you can resharpen them and you can't use your legs and core to help drive the cut nearly as well as you can with a western style saw. I use pull saws for just about everything, except for big, rough cuts. I have a big 7 tpi Disston saw, and that is my go to if I'm going to cut something like a 4x4 or other large dimensional lumber. It just makes more sense to engage your full body when you're going to be exerting yourself for an extended period of time.
Old crosscut saws cut on push and pull stroke they are faster if you are a good filer
+1 For Bucksaw coolnest factor! This video put me on track to find one for myself. And I think it allows for a better working rhythm.
Wranglestar, Happy to see you listen to the comments and made a fair vid
Wrangler-san....annihilated!!
I think the Katana Boy would be an excellent truck saw as it folds and is much more transportable, Or even strapped to the side of a motorcycle back pack to clear downed logs from the trail.
OMG... PAUSE. . .
MIDNIGHT COWBOY and Hong Kong Fuii 😅
This is hilarious lool 😃
But... Hong Kong is Chinese...
EvenMoarSpice what's up with that?
It's a Japanese saw
I'm talking about the HEAD GEAR lol 😃
The headgear has the Japanese flag on it
That was great! Nice job guys!
Your crosscut saw must be dull, Dave Jewett can cut through an 18" log in 9 seconds, and Wade Stewart can climb 90', top the tree and descend back to the ground quicker than you just cut that log.
since the Japanese saw cuts on the pull, it has a thinner kerf and has to remove less wood. I wonder how much of a difference this makes?
Yes! That’s why they are more efficient yet no mention of that in the video…
Cody, great vid! There is an idea around why the Japanese have adopted the pull motion. Most believe it comes to their "idea" of woodworking. In that they are trying to be one with nature or their surroundings. They believe the pulling motion brings the "spirit" of the material to them, allowing them to be "closer" to their work. This is also why Japanese planes are made to be pulled vs pushed.
500 centimeters, I had never cringed to a wranglestar video, new experiences everyday.
Katana sells increasing
I think, if I were doing a lot of cutting, I'd still prefer the western saw, simply because you use more of your body than with the Japanese saw. For small amounts of work, where you want to be more precise, the japanese saw is clearly better.
rjtumble Exactly! A person doesn't frame a house with a 20lb sledgehammer. And with a log that size? Whip out the chainsaw assortment....372 - 390XP = done! But survival and sensitive jobs need their tools too. I like the idea of this Katana Saw for high limbing jobs, chainsaw handling can get a bit sketchy swaying in the breeze! Buck Saw ..forget about it.
There's probably some technique into throwing your body backward to pull the saw rather than keeping your body rigid and going for speed using mostly your arms/back.
I don't follow your logic. Why would you want to use more of your body if you don't have to? The Buck saw seems much more cumbersome to use. Plus, I'd rather have sore arms and shoulders than have my entire body be sore after a day of cutting.
Engaging the larger muscles in your body will let you be more efficient and/or deliver more power to the tool. Think of throwing a punch. A really effective punch involves more than just the arm, you swivel the hips, use your core, etc. A punch using just your arm muscles is weaker.
MasterSergeF18 try to move something or pick something up using only your arms and not engaging your body, core, or legs. Utilizing your whole body a little is more efficient than using only a muscle or two extensively, combined with proper breathing it can also help keep up with a better pace
Great job men! To have as many critics and experts comment on your videos just amazes me. Everyone can do it better...Really is funny. Anyway, my family enjoys the videos. God bless!
You fellas did very good , and are obviously in pretty decent shape.
i got to say cody pulls off the cowboy hat pretty well.
302tbird it’s also backwards
He may pull it off well, but he put it on, backwards.
Maybe it’s the new cowboy look
Homeboy cowboy look.
Backwards?? Are you insinuating that Cody is a "BoyCow"???
[just COULDN'T let that one pass on by]
You need to sharpen your teeth on the "Misery-Whip a bit more. The teeth need to be angled on the point... Once properly sharpened, you need to set the teeth with a tooth setter. Setting the teeth involves bending the tips of the teeth until they are evenly offset to the left and right.
I'm seeing only sawdust coming off your "bucksaw," or the "Misery-Whip. You learned why it's called a misery whip. For your saw to be sharp, it should be spitting out sawdust at least twice to three times larger than what I saw. A properly sharpened "Misery-Whip" will spit out noodles instead of wood chip sawdust. I own and use Japanese Saws all the time. They are far superior to American Saws because they cut the wood cleanly and leave a nice smooth finish as you already learned in this video.
There is a technique to using japanese saws. It involves pivoting the waist and keeping the logs firmly planted to the ground. The saw user needs to stand either right or left of the saw in use and pivot his whole body while cutting. Pivot fore, and back on the push and pull. Once learned correctly it's almost impossible to get tired using a japanese saw. Nice demo... much more honest. thanks.
The type of wood has a very big impact on sawdust consistency as well though
You catch hell from the bushcraft community. The homestead and bushcraft people are in some ways similar but the right tool for the job always makes a difference.
I have the Katanaboy 650, it's a beast of a saw. Fantastic insurance policy to keep in the truck when shooting or scouting in the woods, great for clearing trees across the road without the hassles of a chainsaw.
What's the point of even testing them when the person using the "opposing" tool has no experience with it?
Technique means the world.
Considering he won the first time he had touched the tool idk what your point is.
This is comparitive
Tane: technique is the determining factor in anything, comparative or not. If you have a better technique than the guy next to you, then you’ll win in a competition. His technique with the Japanese saw definitely had me cringing, he was trying to use it like a western saw, and it’s not designed for that. It’s designed to be used with little downward pressure, and with long strokes, if you let the saw do the work, and you just push and pull, it’ll cut, and it won’t wear you out.
I mean I agree that technique is important but the Japanese saw still won. That actually says a lot for the saw because he used a bad technique and still won
Work smarter, not harder.
The point is that they are criticizing the saw without knowing gore to use it. Any of their future tests are flawed for lack of knowledge.
500mm actually, I thought you were all about the metric system
You guys are great I'd love to hang out with you two for a day. Thanks for the videos.
Sign you boys up for Deming Log show, great work!
500cm is 5meters. Lol that saw is no way 5m
why is he against the metric system? doesn't it makes more sense in general to use it?
8i it's on-going joke on the channel, he doesn't actually hate it, he hates buying 2 sets of tools etc. Cody made video on it maybe 2 years ago.
wow that's genius
Uh, ya know at one time, the Native Americans probably referred to US as "foreigners" .......;-) ;-)
The Prophet -To someone not used to using it, it so confusing and easy to get mixed up when a zero or a . changes everything. In the US in Normal everyday life we don't often use metric. Only in the more scientific fields. So when we do encounter it, it's annoying.
Ah yes, Japan being represented by a man with blonde hair and a handlebar mustache, very accurate
Laughing out loud... almost shouted encouragement!
Great fun!!
That was a very interesting trio of videos.
Funniest video on the channel
Yikes. Rising Sun Flag... Cool video, though!
In the name of science, big boys play 😂. Love the vid, keep them coming. Atb
500 cm 🤣🤣 that cracked me up. Good comparrason friends.
Thanks for sharing,
Cheers!
Please cut without speed, just let the saws do there work, and show how they do.
This is particularly true of the Japanese shop saws, my first ryoba was over 40 years ago and it was a very basic saw as far as bells and whistles go. There were no fancy handles, just a simple wood handle attached to a full tang non-replaceable blade, and fitted with a ratan? wrapping on the handle. there was a fine cut on one side and a coarse cut on the other for both crosscut and rip. When I finally got accustomed to letting up on the push stroke and not laying into the saw on either stroke, I finally found that the cross cut side, specifically, would walk through a general purpose construction grade 2x4 in no time at all. Some of my non-believer friends had challenged me to a similar "cutoff" as you and Brian had these last few videos and I won hands down compared to any other hand saw they bothered to bring out for the "challenge" saw! One after another, I dropped them to their knees and I won almost a case of ....... believe this ....... Coke in the "Battle of the Blades". [Well, I WANTED iced tea but my buds were all into the "strong stuff" at that time]
I still have that first Ryoba, minus a few crosscut teeth and sporting a bit of old dried blood here and there, but I have found a healthy respect for the Japanese and their cutting abilities with their saws. Of course, speed cutting was never an option with the Japanese carpenter, he was interested in fit and finish and they still take time to cut precisely and with a certain reverence that many Americans never really found in our woodworking techniques. It is a study in the "Woodworking Journey" of those men who have forgotten more than we will ever know about hand craftsmanship and fit and finish. For them for sure, the thrill is definitely in the "journey" and not the destination". Oh, you can't help but see the look of satisfaction on a real builder's face as he gazes at the finished product, many times fully cut, processed, and fitted and finished with nothing more than basic hand tools but, they simply accept that as normal for the techniques they have accepted to get that final look that is unmistakable in its simplicity, accuracy of fitting, and its overall beauty. I would say that I personally have only seen such simple elegance in some of the Scandinavian carpentry and cabinetry and that was years ago before the *AOTAM took over and mass produced junk became the norm.
*[Age Of The Almighty Dollar]
Framer Guy Very well said Sir!
If only one could save youtube comments, excellent work Framer!
Wyrdean _ Screen shoot his comment.
Wayne Essar Fantastic idea!
this saw must be in cm, 500cm
"cringes in scientist"
Hooray for the locktite and long live the Stihl CS. Great video.
Enjoyed the different viewpoint and good honest test . I'll be a new subscriber
i would say none of you guys know how to use either one of the saws ;D
I agree
I love my silky folding hand saws . Gardening fruit and ornamental tree pruning. It pays to have s silky hand saw with you in the woods in a camping scenario. Good tools
I don't see why Americans are so afraid of the metric system here in the UK we are fluent in both metric and imperial systems it baffles me
Only some Americans are afraid of it, it is now more common in school
Wow thats good to hear. I mean imperial is becoming less popular in school but since europe got us into the metric system our generation are fluent in both we learn both at school
Great series Cody.
Honestly I beleive that both of the saws cutting through a very very dry wood gives the test to winner , a saw in either case whether coniferous or deciduous has it own right and is up to the individual as to which saw they choose. Both saws in this video are " good " saws. Thanks for sharing the video , I do enjoy all of your videos. GOD BLESS .
Haha i love it, the Japanese decided to use more brains! Americans just like big manly tools that work you to death! BOTH Saws are VERY Nice! Good Shootout!
TheChris AndHollieShow 😂
very true lol
RespectFreeSpeech GiveMeMuhFreedom. It’s actually very intelligent to use nuclear power. Much more clean and efficient. Not to mention that you need to be near the ocean when using nuclear power power maximum cooling efficiency. But us Americans are still sticking with inefficient energy sources.
The USA has done this as well. There is at least one in California that is in the same boat. Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant is its name as I recall.
The US used brains to build two nukes ya know :P
Cody should have worn a red "Make America Great Again" base ball cap.
Thanks for the video. I liked the rising sun flag shown at the beginning and the hachimaki that left guy wore.
The loctite killed me 😂
This is why I only buy Honda and Toyota. Japan design will always win.
nathan koroush -maybe if you just want transportation and to play around. If you really want a real working vehicle, you have to buy a Ford Dodge or Chevy.
D K i have had them, all junk
I hear Honda and Toyota are popular with the gays.
Everything. Have.
Hahodi d Over a million miles? Means you have went over 70 miles per hour for over 750 DAYS total in that vehicle, calling bull