Why I Stopped Using Silky Saws
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The Ichiban is a great saw. I feel the same towards my Corona non-folder of the same type. Would still pick up an Ichiban and keep the Corona for a spare if I had the extra dollars at present. Thanks Cody.
The Ichiban is about $6 more than the small Silky.
Why?
Please fact check me, but I missed the cutting test with the Ichiban.
No test, no buy.
Need to watch more videos then.. th-cam.com/video/26O1ZFkrHyw/w-d-xo.html
Funny story. About a month ago I was deep in a national forest and I posted a sarcastic claim that you operated in front of a green screen. I am blind as a bat and the comment that I actually posted on my cell phone did not include the obviously sarcastic portion! The end result was that it appeared that I was seriously accusing you of being a total fake! I attempted to repair it and screwed it up AGAIN! I am back to civilization and a real PC. I really like you and felt some guilt over that post! I think that you are for real and you do have my respect.
I have all of the silky saws. I carry the big boy in my pack for dispersed camping. I use it one handed. I use the full length of the blade. I let the saw do the work. I have no issues with it. It’s amazing.
I had a BigBoy for a while. I didn't like how frequently my hand would accidentally press that release lever and change the angle of the blade. It was definitely a great saw... probably the best hand saw I've ever used... But I want to try a fixed/non-folding, curved blade saw next. I don't necessarily care if it's Silky or Samurai... Whichever comes my way first. I may just try the Stihl saw at Ace Hardware... There are just too many options by Silky, and I don't know enough about sawing wood to know how to select an ideal hand saw... So it's still (Stihl?) trial and error for now 😅
@@poboy8490 corona has a huge non-folder for like 25 bucks
I have used it to process several 40-60 year old trees this summer, pretty decent
@@poboy8490 I have same saw,and your hand does not accidently "press the button and change the angle of the blade"; BS.
How long do the saw blades last?
@@curtiskelly6553it hasn’t dulled a bit since I started using it a few years ago. I don’t cut through rocks or nails with it.
FACT: If you don't use the full length of a blade, then there's not much benefit to a longer blade.
I was thinking the same thing.... smh
now tell me whats cooler
Yea there is a youtube vid of a guy chopping up huge logs with the big boy. Then switch to smaller silkys for smaller logs. So yea... Def no need for huge saw and little branch.
That’s what she said
This guy is an absolute liar, fake christian. Fake titles are lies.
Part of the reason your forearms are getting tired is because you're applying downward pressure on the saw. If you let the saw cut under its own weight, it will take longer, but you will be much less fatigued - especially with the larger saws.
a lotta talk. No matter how you saw if you do it with a ton of wood or a big law, the pull-saws will all tire your forearms.
@@escapetherace1943 True, but that's not what I'm saying. If you've ever used a hand saw for any length of time - and I have - you know that technique matters.
@@AJoe-ze6go Ok but that wasn't what I was saying. Regardless of technique, the saw will tire your forearms. His technique was fine in the video anyway.
The best saw are bowsaws if you want to use the least energy to cut the wood.
@@escapetherace1943 Of course any saw will eventually tire your forearms; but I disagree about his technique. He said outright that he was pressing down when sawing, something that is difficult to see in a video. Oh, and bowsaws are definitely superior, you're right about that. But having used a two-man saw, I think they may be even more energy efficient.
@@AJoe-ze6go bow saws get unneeded hate because they require more technique and the average user is ipad-user level of stupid these days. Pull saws also tend to cut faster on smaller wood, which is what people are commonly cutting, but they get outpaced by bowsaws on bigger wood.
I use bowsaws all around because
1) not gonna break and peace of mind
2) less energy expended
3) even fatigue across your whole arm rather than one muscle.
Don't get me wrong, I love the channel, but I just watched his top 50 tools videos from a few months earlier where he said the silky big boy is the best saw ever and uses it all the time. But here he says he's never found a good use for it...
Josh Moran wow good call. I just went and watched that and he really talked that tool up in a big way. And on this video he’s acting like it ain’t worth squat. Glad you saw that and called it out. Hate when someone is dishonest like this, I’m sure he’s got some motives for doing it but it’s still dishonest.
Two words.....sell out. Sounds like he'll say anything to make a buck
The game have changed as better one being discovered.
@@jasonziruk6045 he has marked it as an ad.
@@bobbysolar7172 massive sell out. I unsubscribed months ago and I was here early when it was amazing. He turned his passion into his job, and I can't blame a fella for trying to feed his family. But he came from a platform of integrity. That's long since gone.
Hey Wranglerstar: I agree with you on the fixed blade pruning saws vs the folders, but i carry a folder on the trail. I have largely replaced the chainsaw in the truck box with a katanaboy behind the seat. This saw is a beast. I live in beetle kill country....I can go to friends house for a visit and if the wind comes up, find three or four trees across the road when I drive home. The katanaboy gets the job done fast, it doesn't stink or disturb anyone and I don't have to worry about it not starting, or hurting myself using a power saw on blowdown in poor light. I imagine your power saws are better maintained than mine, and you are more comfortable with them, but just the same.....
Hello ! In Japan, the fine teeth versions are used to cut bamboo ^^.
i need it in hungary then
^^
Finer teeth are for more delicate cuts
Bigger teeth are for sawing deeper and faster
@@Leatherface123. finer teeth for thinner walled material. Bigger teeth for thicker walled.
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I noticed that some of his advice is slightly slanted. These are promotional, aren't they. I watch a few bushcraft and survivalist channels. Some appear to have funding while others clearly have none. Joe Robinet carries expensive but seemingly quality gear, and Buckin Billy Ray doesn't care about sponsors. WS strikes me as an earnest guy who will ALWAYS remark on the silver lining and just how shiny it is. Makes him a bit unreliable, I think. Any thoughts? Am I way off base?
@@NobodyCaresALot he votes in favour of whoever gives him an amazon affiliate link. in this case it was ichiban.
Well here's the thing. Amazon gives you an affiliate account and then you can link people to any item available on amazon and receive a small percentage of the sale price. So the best thing for his bottom line would be to recommend the more expensive saw, the silky saw, in this case he doesn't do that. In reality he is loosing money when he could recommend and link to the silky Zubat for 72 dollars and make a larger profit he doesn't. He links to what he actually uses and likes as a tool.
He says you need one hand to prevent things from pinching so you only want to use one handed saws. Well, not the case when using a chainsaw, and not the case for the portable saws that use a chainsaw chain. The larger saws are going to be better for larger things. You can use 2 hands with the branch he was cutting because of gravity. 2 hands would also create less strain. People also claim that the silky saws don't bind much at all. He also didn't do a comparison with the ichiban. I think it is more situational in what saw would work best. A small pocket saw won't cut something large. Obviously you wouldn't use a large saw for a small job. Use the right tool for the right job because the big boy isn't meant for small branches like that. In a survival situation, i'd rather have the silky bigboy because I can use it to cut down decent sized trees and use it for firewood and obviously you don't need to hold the larger sized trees with another hand.
Alex F. That’s TH-cam dude. When you hit a certain about of subs companies start sending you free gear to review. The good channels will tell you that in the description.. i follow a lot of firearms channels and most of those guys tell you at the beginning that they were sent the guns for reviews... that’s a perk of being a TH-camr.. not only do you get ad money you get free gear.
I had the same issue with the Big Boy Silky of not having enough "curve" to get good over the top cuts. I solved that issue by adding a third notch with my dremel for the spring catch to drop into. It worked like a charm, greatly reducing the effort needed to make a single hand cut.
Nice
I just had the same idea.
Where, I have a katana boy
I swear by the silky big boy. I use both hands and don't need to hold the limb. If you make the correct under cut before you cut thru the top, it'll drop just fine.Pull the full stroke length and nothing's faster.
0:22 I have come to love silky saws. I just absolutely adore them.
6:00 I don't like this saw. Never have liked it.
Mark S
He never liked it with 1 hand. Which isn’t its intended use, but it is the way he would need to use it.
That is what the Canadian Prepper is talking about from 0:26 till 1:06
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Yeah it takes 1 stroke more but your using 1/4 of the blade. Oh my arm hurts using it one handed... thats why you have a long handle. Ill take the big boy anyday. $55 on sale at REI
He needs to learn how to use them
Compared to the smaller one he dosent like it
Gotta use the whole saw blade length to compare. Long blades can reach ropes farther away and finish bigger tops if your worried about catching your chain or ripping to fast through soft wood.
If you want to build a log cabin, you need the big boy. It'll cut down trees and the over extension will allow you to cut logs laying flat near the ground. In both instances you need a longer blade and two hands.
Or the katana Boy 😈
@@germancarspotter4514
Pff if you have the money. Lol
@@elijahbutterfield4869 ITS Not that Bad. A cheap chainsaw Costs the same.
@@germancarspotter4514
You can afford a chainsaw?
* bows *
The package on the silky saws tells you not to put downward pressure on while cutting and tells you to let the saw do the work
Some people are not smart enough to realize the packaging solves most of the problems you could potentially experience(or create).
(This applies to all lazy dudes).
You should always let the saw do the work. 😉
@@JohnDoe-zl6ph
I put my Silky on the pile of wood that needed cutting 6 months ago, and it's still not cut. I think my Silky is broken. Is there an On-button somewhere I forgot to press?
Lol hate that phrase.
@@DutchFurnace You need to leave a bottle of alcohol for it to start doing work.
The 2nd blade lock position is so you can cut all the way through something on the ground
Or maybe a more level undercut on high limbs?
James Larson nope
He doesn’t seem to know much about sawing in general.
Boom!
Came here to say the same. Does seem like he happily reviews things without fully understanding how they work or how they should be used. I watch a lot of review type channels and this one seems to have the greatest number of down votes of all of them.
I think you'll find that the hyper extension (folding back position) is to cut the underneath of a branch; which is what you should do first when lopping branches.
Wow, I have honestly never seen someone sell out so hard before.
@@mgoldenboyz7942 lol shut up
But he said he wasnt endorsed by any of the companies? I thought you could get striked if you lied about stuff like that
Your not using the full length of the blade!!!
I do a ton of trail maintenance on local mountain bike trails and the Silky Big Boy 2000 is my go-to saw. We have trees fall down on our trails all the time and I can remove many of them - even a foot in diameter - with the Big Boy. Saves me a ton of time compared to walking in with a chain saw. The Big Boy fits just fine in my Camelback which I normally ride with. The different angles the Big Boy can be set to help too when cutting someone on the ground and saving your knuckles. I don't think the Ichiban would be as good for what I do but if you could try to cut a downed tree - preferably one flat on the ground - that was a foot in diameter with it, I'd love to see how that worked out for ya. My only complaint about the Big Boy 2000 is it's really easy to bend the blade on it - but it's replaceable so that's good. Anyway - challenge ya to cut a 1 foot diameter tree with both saws - or even try with your little one too! LOL
I have a silky that is right between these two, came with a sheath included and personally I think it's the perfect happy medium. Also as he mentions in the video, you can't beat a folding saw for backpacking hiking etc.
Wait.. Didn't I just watch a video in which you said "You gotta have a Silky Big Boy!"
Yeah pretty sure that was you.
LOL
You need to watch Lars on the Survival Russia Channel mate, he can teach you how to use it.
Spot on!
So yah. And blah blah blah...
True story
Here here i second that motion!
Tra la la la la
So you didn't show us how effortlesly that Samurai saw cuts that branch. Btw those Silky saws are pull saws, you don't have to put any pressure on the blade when pulling. And that Samurai saw seemed to be a little lose in the sheath.
See the previous video, the Samurai is all he uses in it. This was part two.
Philip Prigmore yes, still lack of comparison between Silkys and Samurai.
The silky zubät isn't a bad saw, a little more pricey though. I've never used either, I use a fanno daily, but I'd love to try them out
I have almost everything silky sells(I also have the Samurai and it's a great saw) but if I was going to buy just one it would be the silky sugowaza. the katanaboy 650 still gives me the fizz. I use it more and more instead of my chainsaw.
I'd like to see a close up of the Samurai's teeth and blade geomotery.
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Lol, as always Cody has a preference and his performance with the item he “doesn’t like” always makes me laugh, it reminds me of the black and white segment of a late night informercial where people can’t use a can opener or something like that 🤣🤣 still watched the whole video and value his opinion 👍🏻
He also didn't saw with the Ichiban, how many strokes would it take? You can't compare saws without using it.
@einstein9073 This is literally the third comment like this I've read in the past week or so.
There was another where the video guy reviewed a "mini chainsaw"(like finger's length blade) and he said it's pointless and someone brought up they know some old person who can't hold pruning scissors, yet loves gardening. Another bad review at a mini pocket pistol and a commenter mentioned that his grandfather is just too old to properly operate normal sized firearms at that point due to his age and it really helped him out when he got the smaller pistol.
I'm starting to think that these products would be a lot more successful if they were marketed towards their intended audience.
At least not everybody with working hands will try to pick apart their impracticality.
They should just write: perfect for the old and the weak and those who have one form of problem or another with their hands.
My grandfather had viking fingers. He managed to do everything normally, but it was a fact that he enjoyed using tools he didn't have have problems operating a lot more. Tiny radio, tiny razorblade, tiny shots of very strong alcohol... A tiny chainsaw or a better can opener would've been a godsend to him.
Sorry for the rant. I just don't get why they seem to be ashamed of making a product specifically for those who struggle to use tools designed for fully functional hands.
They'd be bought not just by people who struggle with everyday tasks, but also their family members and friends wouldn't have such a hard time buying 'em birthday presents and such.
@einstein9073 Yeah, yer probably right.
My mind, in order to protect itself from *the horror*, excises from itself, the constantly reappearing realization that the vast majority of people are stupid, selfish and/or just downright evil.
Still, I didn't mean they should call it the "arthritis garden trimmer", but could instead throw a sticker on the box that says: "also great for children, the old and the infirm" or something like that.
Then again, these people have access to market research the rest of us can only dream of. Chances are it would in fact affect sales negatively.
Really sad and strange, though, by the way.
The only way you don't end up weak and demented in this world is if you die young, but we call that a tragedy.
Ever since I read the Epic of Gilgamesh when I was 13, I knew to have kindness towards those who endure hardships I do not. Probably explains why I'm just so damn unsuccessful in the normal endeavors of mankind in this age.
Imagine...in my mind, it's a huge boon, not to mention a massive cookie point for our decrepit civilization that we invent tools that can also be used by those less strong than the average person. Heck, if I intended to live that long, I'd totally buy a Bosch mini chainsaw as an investment in my old age.
I never intend to grow old, though...one way or another, I'll beat the fate of mankind.
The big boy is for logs. The small one for branches. Use the right tool depending in what you want to cut.
I think I'll stick with my Silky, it's a great saw.
Nobody told you to get rid of your saw.
Approved by the North-Western Russia overnight fires at winter :)
Good for you. Make sure to wear a condom so you don't get it pregnant and have little baby half saw half humans running around.
@@dirtysouthbushcraftandmma9784 Dude that's terrible advice. We need half saw babys running around
@@bobpaul851 better than some of these half girl half boy kids running around
Am I missing something or are you failing to use half the blade with the big boy? That's what it looked like to me and it seemed reinforced by the lack of shavings when you were holding it up after the 2 handed test. I have one and love it, but I frequently find myself using too much effort and reducing the efficiency of the saw. It's completely counterintuitive, but it really is true - less is more with the pull saws.
Its hard to use a blade beyond a certain length without moving more than your arm/shoulder. If you have to move your hips in order to use a saw, there are saws that are better suited for that type of work.
He doesn't want to make them look too good dude, they didn't give him any for free.
This guy is a cry baby
@@TheSteelArmadillo Most folks can get about a two foot sawstroke if they know what they are doing. A real 'sawyer' can add nearly 50% to that without moving the hips but that takes a lot of practice to keep the blade straight. This guy doesn't know diddly about using saws correctly. Or to much of anything else as far as I can tell. Just a sciolist seeking fame and fortune on YT like so many others.
his muscles hurt from the effort, 3 inches seems to be his optimal range of motion, i dont know why
I bought the pocket one years ago. It cuts great. However I tend to use my fiskar retractable saw more often. It cuts more or less the same and is waaayyyyy lighter. Handle isn't as ergonomic, but every gram matters when backpacking
...and cheaper!
I like the 8" Gomboy for camping and backpacking. I'm not sure i'll need to replace it for a long time. I'll keep the Ichibon in mind if I lose the Gomboy.
in fairness to the larger saw requiring more strokes, you were only using half the blade. had you cut with all the teeth it likely would have been a stroke or two less than the small saw
The problem is, how are you going to apply pressure across the entire length of the stroke? With one hand, the end the the blade is a long lever and you don't have a hand near the bottom of the handle to provide a "counterlever". I mean... surely you would acknowledge that a saw blade twice as long as the larger saw would be so wildly unwieldy in one hand that the effective cutting portion of the blade would be limited to just around the handle. What he's found is that the larger saw here is already that unwieldy.
@@ZBritt92 silky’s cut on the pull mainly
Almost everything you said can be rebutted with the sentence “your doing it wrong”
I don’t want to be that guy, but; you’re. Also the long handle is for balance and that saw style lends itself to pointing the index down the curved hinge for necessary pressure.
@@thomasdickson35 He is also trying to push cut with pull cut saws. Force of habit most likely.
Rut-ro... you have caught the attention of the grammar police! When knowing the meaning of the sentence is not enough they tell you the spelling must be precise!
@@GameLoot why be satisfied with doing something wrong, when you can easily do it right?
@@JK-et6yo - Says the man who didn't capitalize the first word of his sentence? See even you cannot live up to that standard.
I really appreciate and respect your opinions. You definitely helped me make up my mind on the size and brand
I use the Silky Gomtaro 270 Professional and it’s probably the best compact hand saw I own! It comes with a fantastic case and is easy it use with one hand while holding the branch or tree with the other! I wouldn’t trade it for anything. I also own a Silky extending Pole Saw that I use often. It’s also to notch. Perhaps you should take a look at the Gomtaro 270 Professional.
I live minutes from Yellowstone Park, I hike and camp there monthly. No chainsaws in Yellowstone so I use a Katana boy and a pocket boy 170 partnered with a Granfors Scandinavian forest axe. There might be better combinations... but I can’t think of anything I’d trade for. The Katana boy is a beast and is the easiest to pack around.
I normally pack a Silky BigBoy and GB Scandinavian Forest axe as well we're I'm at. With a Silky and a GB scandi there isn't anything you can't do anywhere in any Northern woodlands. Agreed!
Sometimes I'll switch out the Silky with a Boreal 21 but the GB Scandi always stays. I get paranoid without my axe!
WS expects people to buy a saw that he didn't use against a saw he doesn't know how to use.
Huh?
@@MichaelJohnson-dc8jd he didnt use the samurai and he doesnt know how to use the silky saw
Silky offers curved blades for their folding saws...
I would love to see your fixed saw againnst the fixed saw that Silky offers... maybe the higer price of the Silky would pay of in the long run...
Btw to compare the price of a folding saw with the price of a fixed saw is completely inappropriate... as if you would compare the prices of fixed blades and folders of the same blade length...
I AM NOT SUPERMAN nor The Incredible Hulk and I have no problems whatsoever at all to use the Bigboy 2000 one handed...
These blades are made for pull strokes/cuts... there is no need to get heavy pressure on the blade... it cuts effordless with minimal pressure...
...and if this one is to big for your pourpose or preference: They offer alot of sizes in between...
They even offer some fixed saws, sheaths included...
@@alexanderbertallo1995 applying some pressure speeds-up the cutting with BigBoy 2-3 times in fact. It has pretty thick blade and can maintain this pressure with no issues.
The size of the large silky saw is probably made for larger trees where the small one couldn't possibly be big enough to cut all the way across. So for every day use this video makes perfect sense, but if you're in the realm where you deal with much larger trees like 1-2 feet in diameter, the large silky makes sense (if you don't have access to power tools).
Thanks for the great review. I live in Germany and just purchased the Samurai Ichiban for only 21,95 € (25 USD) including shipping on Amazon Germany after watching your video. I completely agree, that you nearly always need a single handed saw.
I love hyper extending the saw to the second notch when I’m working on the ground, it’s helpful in those applications but not as much when working up high as you’re doing. 210 is a better all around general purpose size.
A big saw meant to be used with 2 hands is not good for cutting thin branches with one hand. You don't say....
He used 2 hands. Did you watch the whole video?
I didn't say he used it wrong, but it's obvious that such a big saw is not the right tool for the job he needs to do.
I work for the park service and one of the things that we use for a lot of limbing, trail maintenance and in wilderness areas is the silky zubats I think they have really nice ergonomics (more of a pistol grip and curved blade) and seem to just rip through branches while we're clearing trail they're not folding but they do come with a scabbard and can attach to your pack or belt pretty easily, you should give them a look sometime I know guys who actually carry one on their fire packs for making brush more manageable to throw while swamping
I'm an arborist, and we use the Zubat for tree pruning. It's great and has loops on the scabbard so you can strap it to your leg.
Brilliant comparison video. No blabla just relevant information. Very well done. Helped a lot 👍🏻
How many stokes and how much time does it take for the Samurai to cut the branch? Video seems incomplete without adding it especially when the emphasis was made with the Silky's.
He probably recorded it, and left it out because it under preformed.
I’ve been using my Ichiban Samurai professionally since the spring of 2012 and only replaced one blade. It’s a great saw, half the price of the similar Silky initially and for replacement blades. It completes the kit of Stihl 201, 271, 361, and 460 chainsaws, and my Gränsfors Burk small forest axe.
This is all really solid reasoning. Thank you for the video!
What happened to this guy, I have used these saws and others just like them for years, he has gone off the rails.
Endorsement deals do that to people.
I personally use silky hand saws. I've been in the Business for 6 years now. Last year i bought my first samurai... it was good for the first 3 months...after It started to break teeth... All my employees had the same problem.
I bought a silky sugowaza as a better alternative and it just rocks.
And lasts.
Only here to say, Silky is superior to Samurai. I'm am arborist, the Samurai was cheaper than my Silky Zubat... After 2 months of full time work, I can't stand my Samurai anymore.
What do you know? You only get PAID to do this as a professional!
LOL (sarcasm) All my buds who are landscapers swear by Silky too.
I think Cody should apologize to us & Silky Inc. for trying to say the Samurai is the better saw. NOT.
Pretty sure a few years ago he was all about Silkie and nothing else...
Honestly I've never used the samurai but Its because I was issued a silky and never really decided I needed something else. It's about as fast as you'll get by a manual saw.
I too am an Arborist, own my own company and we have probably 20-25 silky saws. We probably have one of each just about. I love how you can sharpen your saw and how it bites. This guy clearly doesn't use the saws appropriately or all the time. I was a Fanno guy until 2008 and got my first Silky...never going back!
I was looking at folding saws for camping a long time ago and ended up getting a Tajima Aluminist and I'm happy with it. No idea how it compares to a silky or Ichiban though. I think for recreational users they're all fine.
Those ichibon samurai saws are exactly what we used when doing residential tree climbing as well as trimming for power lines, everybody I worked with had one of those on their climbing harness to use in situations where you couldn’t cut with your chainsaw and some guys used them even more than a chainsaw because they’d rather cut by hand than lug a saw up and down the tree all day.
This is the most unfair video I have ever seen you do thumbs down your comparing apples and oranges not fair to silky. It would be like comparing your dirt bike to a trials bike and saying yours is more comfortable and therefore better because it has a seat or for that matter a full tang knife to a folder. Really?
The Silky saws only cut on the pull. I think you are just trying too hard. I don't even put any pressure on the blade at all and just let the tool do the work. The Silky Big Boy is my go to saw in almost all situations.
Same as here
Yeah only use force while pulling and you almost dont get exhausted.
This guy is always trying too hard
Agree, plus not using the full stroke. They are too much $$
just name 1 arborist who doesn't use a Silky saw... though he. Silkys are the go to saw for every arborist.
let the saw do its work on the pull stroke only.
The 2nd blade position is designed to help when what you’re cutting is on or close to the ground, keeping your hand/knuckles clear without tilting the blade into the dirt.
I have a cheap folding saw, about 10", made in Taiwan, that I bought 30 years ago and it still works. I also have a non-folding saw, about 18", made by Corona, which I got at Lowes for about $25. I've used it to take down trees with 8-10" trunks.
I have that same Corona, it's a beast with a great value. Taken down several trees with an even larger size than 10 inches. Kind of a pain but I can get through them
This is great. Confirms my zubat purchase was a smarter one based on the design.
This one looks like a nice cheaper alternative but if you have the dough, go for the silky zubat. Worth the money.
Should have showed the Samurai cutting the same branch.
I do think the downward pressure is unneeded with the Silkys.
For using the pocket boy for fine work around camp like cutting notches and fitment groves for shelter do you think the pocket boy would be good and what size teeth would be the best for that ????
Silky saws stays sharp and work well if you know how to use them. It also depends on what you are using it for -pruning or just limbing?
Yes, the pocket boy is easier to use but again as others have pointed out the big boy is a 2-handed saw. If you had done so when you cut the branch at 5:20 and really understood how to draw it properly it would not have even been a contest. I'm not wanting to criticize your choices just the fairness of testing. Nothing in or near the price range cuts as easy as a silky when used correctly imo.
@@DysfunctionalBubble The point of my comment was that the smoothest deepest cut with the same effort or the fastest one through a 4" board or the least number of passes to cut through a tree trunk would be measurable and repeatable, not a matter of preference. In a fair test there would be exact numbers for each test saw. Choosing which of the saws to use, however, would be a matter of opinion.
Did you watch he video? He says on multiple occasions that sawing in the field is a one handed operation because you need the other hand to hold the branch, clear vine etc…
I agree - i’ve got chainsaws for bigger stuff. Handsaws are really only for pruning and light clearance.
I’m an English arborist, the zubat and the gomataro are definetly the best!
In cold weather I hike with the sugoi instead of a bow saw because it is more compact and cuts on the pull. It is all I need in cold weather to process wood for heat. Anything more than that would be a axe and bow saw combo but that would be extreme survival with tools only. Nice content as always W!
Through your knowledge
What tool would you advise someone to use for beach camping and cutting wood down to size found on the beach?
This is a great video of hand saws
If you move your grip to the end of the handle on the big boy you really don't have to apply much downward pressure. Try it.
I’m guessing it has more to do with the fact that another company has sent you free product or is paying you.
Legally he would need to say that
Yep
Thank you! I was looking at a new saw for my canoe pack. I was looking at a silky. But not anymore. Thank you!
Thanks for the demo I’ve been trying to get the best saw and the best deal financial and physically ,thank you for the link
The silky will cut in less strokes if u use the full length of the saw
I always bring my pocket boy when I am mountain biking but if there has been a windstorm I bring Big boy for the larger blow downs.
Thanks for the great info. I'm in the market for some new saw as my Fiskars folder is pretty rough.
The prices are a bit higher on your picks now, so, I was wondering...
I see a "heavy duty" samari for only a few bucks more than the standard. Worth it?
Also, I found a samari folding saw that's a decent amount cheaper than the Silky... Thoughts?
Is there a handsaw that can cut through a tree? Thinking about keeping one in the trunk for forest service roads with downed trees/limbs
Have you tried the Silky Katanaboy 650 ? You will love that one . I tossed my chainsaw aside . Got sick messing around with chainsaws .
I'm not quite sure you know how to use the silky saws, there's also no need to push down on it
I'm sure you right, please show us how it's done,
OF COURSE you have to push down on a saw that size. Try it out next time you’re using one, while holding the Saw just set it on top of the branch and rub it back-and-forth without putting any pressure on it, see how long it takes you to cut the branch.
Let the saw do the work. by putting pressure you only forcing it.
I quite agree on not forcing the saw.
Silkys only cut on the pull (back) stroke if that's what you mean.
For about 40 years, I’ve carried folding pruning saws for firewood in camp. Most of those were inexpensive saws like a weekender would use for making just a few cuts. When I found the Corona saws with a diamond cut design on their teeth, I bought one to try it.
WHOAAA!!! Here was a saw that cut much faster. I use the 10” model as it readily cuts everything I’ve ever asked it to. It unfolds in 1-2 seconds, and refolds just as quickly. My buddy’s take-down buck saw wasted 5-6 minutes in set up and take down, and didn’t cut any faster in between. And, a pruning saw can reach into a brushy area to get at a nice piece of wood. Buck saws cannot.
I think that Silky saws are a good piece of equipment. For less money, so are Corona saws. After all, they’re what professional orchardists use.
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I have a Silky Kantanaboy 650, at age 59 I have no problem cutting up to 4" pieces on a saw horse using one hand. Let the saw do the work.
The big boy is for cutting logs of about 25cm. It is an amaizing saw.
As many have said, the zubat or gomtrano are the best saws for the type of pruning you are doing.
Like using a stihl 440 for cutting kindling. Seriously an idiotic review.
We run a gardening and landscape biz and i assure you silky is by far the best two months down the track.
Hey friend did you take a look at the Silky Zubat (two variants a handsaw and a telescopic one) ?? You 'll probably change your mind about the Silky Brand!! I am an Olive oil producer and pruning is the most important job of the year!!
That would be an apples to apples comparison. To say that the Samurai is better at X work is like saying that the Prius is better than a Corvette at fuel economy. The Samurai should be compared to the Zubat for sure. I've seen videos with the Samurai. They seem to cut slow. On top of that, the replacement blades cost just as much as the Silky replacement blades so outside of the entry price of buying the initial saw, after the Samurai is worn down, it's costs just as much to replace the blade.
The over extension is for cutting down to flush of a surface, both so you don't bust your knuckles, and so you can reach deeper without hitting the front teeth as fast. More for working bigger wood projects, like a log cabin type of thing.
Spot on - also in tree pruning, I've found it useful in some situations with limited access where that overextended angle can help achieve a better cut - can rarely but sometimes bend the handle out of the way for you
Wow! I just came across this video and was stunned. I’ve watched many of your videos and thought they were informative, but this one I honestly thought was a joke, or a spoof. I kept waiting for you to say “but seriously, you should never saw like this” and then demonstrate proper technique, but it just kept getting worse till the end. Hopefully in the future you will learn about the proper selection and use of products you are unfamiliar with before trashing them in such a public way.
It would seem that you would need to use the longer saw for the additional reach it gives you. When cutting over your head the extra foot of reach would let you trim stuff just that much faster away.
Try a Zubat 330 - very similar to your Samurai in size & type - great pruning saw.
Katanaboy & Big Boy are really for tree felling not pruning.
Also The Big Boy over extension of the handle is for cutting logs on the ground.
By the way most chainsaws are used with two hands - work out the pinch before you start cutting !
2nd handle configuration is possible for cutting with the blade at awkward angles. This orange handle saw has a fantastic ergonomic designe. I'm definitely buying one, it sounds like they provide a whole woodworking lineup
You’re using the damn saw wrong.
Why? I'm new here
@@mogroot5790 Its a pull saw, it cuts only when pulling. He's putting pressure when pushing in getting the saw gunked into the wood and tiring him more than it should. It also cuts slower, paradoxically.
@@em4703 Ok. Thanks
Didn't know this.
@@mogroot5790 the best to use BigBoy is not to hold it with your both hands. You hold the very end of the handle with your main hand and the other one you put above the front side of the handle and apply some pressure. You only are applying pressure when you pull (cut) and releasing pressure when you push.
I've cut up to eight 15-16cm logs for the night-long fire (around 12-13 hours of burning) with it this way. This is the only saw which is able to provide me with a night-long fire at -10C in 30-40 minutes.
@@archi-mendel thanks for the info.
Silky Tsurugi curve 270mm is T H E saw. I've been using it daily for 5 years .Perfection, flawless, highly recommended.
I love my samurai saw as well, but I will say that as a climbing arborist I have had that hooked handle pull the saw out of my scabbard while 20’ up a tree... once I didn’t notice and had to climb back to get it. Luckily it didn’t fall and hurt anyone.
I also have a zubat pole saw which is unbelievably efficient for cutting smaller branches far out of reach. Like using a scalpel, so precise. I do think the zubat cuts better than the samurai, but my samurai may be getting older and dull.
Would like to try both of those saws head to head with new blades.
Agree that ichiban is a great value though.
The second position of the blade is used when a log is on the ground. As you approach the ground, it gives clearances for the hand
I bought a Gerber brand folding saw that size-wise is between the big and small Sllkiies. I originally bought it to take camping and backpacking as well as a bugout bag tool, but I've also used it for pruning trees and bushes at home. Works great. I learned that you have to use it like the old style coping saws, where the cut is made mostly on the backstroke. It tales a lot of the strain off your forearm. Also you will expend less energy using the full length of the blade, applying equal pressure on forward and backward strokes, than making three to four times as many strokes with a short blade. You can use both hands to cut throught most of a branch, and then switch to one hand near the end to hold the branch.
Obviously that company is paying you, because that wasn't even a remotely fair comparison.
You should have realised by now that unlike other production fields, film etc, TH-cam creators have to declare if they are being paid to sponsor an item.
@@7he0 like I'm not saying someone is paying him but who is going to find out if he was paid and he didn't mention it...
@@JohnDoe-ve6mf it says it under the video that its an add
You testing is extremely flawed. You commented on how your forearms hurt and the ergonomics were not good. They are cut on the PULL STROKE ONLY. You say the Ichiban is superior, yet you did not cut anything compared to the Silky. Not good. Try using the Ichiban on a log laying on the ground. See how you like that curved handle then. I own Silky and would never give it up for the Ichiban.
No kidding, they cut on the pull, who knew,
@@wranglerstar I think he was trying to say you were using bad technique. your forearms shouldnt have been sore. the intent of the cut on pull stroke was intended to allow you to use your back muscles rather than your arms. Also the curved blade is designed to pull the blade into the material as it is pulled so you shouldnt need to push down on the blade. Also I have lost some respect for you. the sarastic quippy reply was not only unhelpful but unnecissary. if you cant say something nice, dont say anything at all. it would have been better to say nothing.
@@wranglerstar has turned into a serious d bag
Reading these comments/replies, it's very Interesting; how it's always the Godless, Hellbound douche's, that love to spew out the pseudo-intellectual, hateful comments the most, against Wranglerstar.
@Graywolf
By the way. Your comment proves, you are a moron.
I like the fact that you can turn things I’m not normally super interested in into something that I binge watch...
Just watched the vid..and kudos..my uncle was a lineman..and early in his career his saw was curved just like the one you have shown.
You should have used the gomboy.it's in between the two you have in this test. And it packs nice.
Well of course hes biased he is an associate of ichiban saws through amazon
Joseph LaCavera well that explains a helluva lot!!!
Ichibans are Chinese knock offs
Silky is MUCH better!!! Definately bias.
I have to admit, I use a similar Samurai for my work, only because of the price. But I will say, with saws that good, it depends on the user.
jay johnson he’s an affiliate for silkie and ichiban
I bought one, used it on my elk hunt and float trips, love it, thanks for the review
The silky sugowaza is more like the samurai saw, has the curved blade and sheath. It is 3 times the price but it's a dream it never leaves my pack for hunting, hiking, or camping it's a must for me. After 3 years of heavy use it's still sharp and cuts great.
Silky Ultra Accel 240 is best all around saw IMHO! Perfection!
yea
i have 2 silky saws, one of them being the big boy. its a patience cut. any pull cut blade is . like drilling. slow and steady. if you bend and bind it on your forward motions you are doing it wrong
Curious on difference between limb cuts and trunks. I am looking for something to go through 6 inch diameter trunks and I don't imagine using 2 hands is as big of an issue on trunks.
this had some good food for thought when purchasing a saw. i think ill order a slightly larger silky. i only need it for backpacking and occasional sawing thru the woods and around camp. the ichiban seems like a great option for if youre working or sludging thru some thick growth and need constant and easy access to your saw. thanks!
Now I remember why I stopped watching this channel...sad, sad, trying to be a salesman for an inferior product, by demonstrating that you don't know how to use tools properly. Just sad.
David you fit the definition of insanity,
And now you're trying your hand at amateur psychology? Not sure whether to lmao, or shake my head wistfully at how far you've fallen off the path of an honest man. Seek spiritual guidance sir, it's not wise, or sane, to pick Internet fights over opinions...especially with someone who is not afraid of putting his actual name out there, not some pseudonym.
Hey where can I find your review channel? How long have you been a lumberjack?
@@sexmachina you don't have to be a lumberjack to use these saws. as a matter of fact these are used by arborists etc. for tree pruning and branch clearing. how long have you been a uninformed half-assed comedian?
@@Huwie73 Yeah, but his videos are fun to watch until you cant take it any longer.
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison when comparing folding saws to a fixed blade. They both have specific uses. I'll pack a Silky folding saw in the woods for hunting and camping, and have several fixed blade saws for home yard work, and prefer the Silky fixed blade. They just feel sturdier with the full tang and the cut us unmatched.
I'm old school, learned with bow saws and folding saws in the BSA. Camp saws and pruning saws are definitely a love hate relationship, you love the idea that you could cut something till you actually have to use it. That's definitely where the hate part steps in!
I'm an old hand with saws too. And somewhat new to folders. But given the choice, for portability and weight I'll take a folder. There's also a bowsaw blade in my pack should I find myself staying put for any length of time ,and I can make an excellent frame for it in a lazy hour with my knife and a folder so the two complement each other well.