Don't let the chat that says there's only 6 Fire King cards in the so called Fire King deck. There's also 3 Fire King spells, putting up the number of FK cards to 9. Meanwhile, there's 11 total Diabellstar/Snake-Eye cards, only 2 more. The truth about the deck is that it plays a fuckton of handtraps (14 total, more than either engine individually).
Its not even 11. its 7. diabell and wanted arent snake eyes spells. And dont miss on the fire king xyz and that not everyone is only playing 1 island. So there is more fk than snake eyes indeed
@Kamurai135 everyone is gonna do the branded thing where they count diabellestar and snake eyes as one thing like they did branded and despia even though it's not technically correct.
Nice note for the new VV continuous spell: Since it RITUAL summons (instead of special summons like new Sauravis), it allows you to actually resolve Odd-Eyes Pendulumgraph Dragon's effects, which is a much smoother way to get Odd-Eyes Wing Dragon (thanks for the correction @xibbas7055) out. Assuming you end on the "optimal" VV board (Skull Guardian, Lo, new Sauravis) it puts up a much stronger resistance than it currently does pre-LEDE
I think the main reason to play delta y to stop cross and called by when you maxx c, i mean its good to negate power spells but what makes it great is the maxx c mini game
Typical TCG mindset blaming everything to Maxx C Then why the card don't see any play before? It has nothing to do with Maxx C, and more about the top two deck has spell cards (Original Sinful Spoils Snake Eye and VV continuous spell/ritual searcher) as chokepoint.
@@LS-qs9ju OCG players aren't gonna suck you off if you pretend to be superior. The reason you gave doesn't contradict op's reason at all and works well in tandem with it.
@@ashikjaman1940Why you so sensitive about it? Using bad words like a kid. I'm just clarifying because I attend OCG local and know why it's used. Like, just stating a fact. Even Joshua himself (a TCG player, and also a world champion in a Maxx C format) doesn't think it's mainly for Maxx C mini game. You can argue about Gamma, which is historically used for Maxx C mini game (as it counters Maxx C and Ash), but not for Delta.
The new Link monsters(and Cyanos) make it much easier to play an actual Snake-Eyes variant. The problem is some of the new options are promo cards so not everyone's going to go out of their way to get them.
Strikes appear to be an efficient going first option. Previously, people got anti spell as the going first option . However, anti spell seems too fragile and not able to hold up opponents’s combo( especially against snake eye package). Therefore, Strikes has gained popularity as it’s a generic hard stop negation.
Still better at going second but having an ACTUAL going first line that can play through Duster and LS due to newer Link options that can do multiple things is a BIG help.
lotus is really nice. issue is the same as always, crimsons lock + dies to handtraps. I think maybe a horus engine or smth else will help . Bystials nice but unplayable right now.
@@OsirusHandle Yes, RDA naturally dies to HT like Nib. I carry triple crossout. I also play Bystials in my locals, but it's a hit or miss cause not all play Light or Dark monsters here. Wonder when the Lotus King arrives in TCG.
@@BGLoscar usually you can force nibiru by going supernova first but then you end on like... abyss pass. Well abyss pass with reign set isnt too bad. just annoying konami made such mid support 🥲 hopes for the future...
Makes sense. Looking at last year, Photon Hypernova (the first core set of the year) made Kashtira T1 and far more consistent, and released some generic cards that saw more play and value later on in the year. Cyberstorm Access changed the meta a bit, though Konami did basically kill SHS viability in the meta. More generic cards released, but these didn't see as much of a relevancy until a bit later into the year as well. I think the way the sets work, the cores bring some power to a deck or two initially, but other cards eventually get explored, and they start seeing more value spikes over time.
Chimera isn't a branded angle at all, somewhat of a shame for Josh to have missed that because it's by far the deck that gets changed the most by LEDE. Nightmare Apprentice + Diabellz are huge additions to the deck that completely alter the way it's being built.
It doesn't really do anything to change it in the ocg meta though. It may have an impact in the tcg. I am fully expecting Infinite forbidden to introduce more illusion monsters in the snake eye lore that bring out the true potential of diabellze and apprentice while possibly giving chimera a boost.
Its wild to me that this is locals data mostly. And like smaller events. Like even having this many people afford the best decks in the game would be crazy in the TCG. Most locals I go to no one has the tier 1 stuff because its like 500-1000 dollars.
Theres one guy in locals playing 60cards volcanics/fireking/horus/snakeeyes/sinfulspoil/fireprincess/splittleknight/all full statlights pile deck. And he is winning. But his deck also costs like 5k. Shit is so unfair he just wins in time everygame because its 15minutes on the clock and he combos for no reason 12minutes and burns and thrn passes. Even if I have the winning hand there is no way for me to get into pb with all the mandatory Fireking effects in standby phase and quick effects . Like i dont have a problem winning in time with time cards. But this is beyond. Going into game 3 with 5min on the clock. This is straight up abuse. And everyone else is on more cheap decks
Atleast im happy my locals prizings are bad so there is nothing to gain from this for him. Only 5 ots packs for the price of 12 euros hahaha what a fking loser
Something I was curious about, since I keep up with the meta currently and enjoy watching content around it but am not playing games by myself or watching alot of games: What do you think where the powerlevel of Fire King Rescue Ace would be in comparison to full power Tearlament or Spright? Or lets say, maybe with some consistency hits to both decks but nothing major banned like Elf, Kit, etc.
Ishizu Tearlament won no banlist tournament with only adding one or two banned card (because they want to play on turn zero and not a single banned main deck card help that strategy) That's your answer for Tearlament. For Spright it's a hard to gauge, as Snake Eye Fire King can sometimes go through three interruption and also have 14 handtraps. But Spright probably stronger because Elf is stupid and they don't care about Nibiru.
@@LS-qs9ju Actually a recent no banlist tournament was won by a full power dragon link. The winner is trishula, he has a video about it. (Not really a surprise tho si ce the deck has like 5+ banned cards)
@@Narium413 Thx for the answers guys :D Already thought so, but wanted to confirm. Seeing Spright vs. the current version of Snake Eye Fire King would be kinda interesting, with Elf and Toad lines still "properly" available
The bystials are just better. D link is predominantly dark with a few lights. Even in the ocg bystials would probably still be better since they have chaos space at 3
Been testing with Tenpai and have been having a surprisingly decent amount of success. The deck has like 3 1-card combos that get you to either of the Level 10 Synchros and has a TON of room to play non-engine, I’m talking like 20+ slots. Unfortunately there are a ridiculously low amount of FIRE Dragons in the game, so there’s not a whole lot of tech options to explore for the deck, but you could theoretically play a small engine of like 3x White Dragon 1x Orange Dragon 1x Tenpai Quickplay (I can’t remember any of the card names off the top of my head lol) in a deck that doesn’t need or have a normal summon. The list I’ve been testing has been the full suite of the Tenpai cards, 3x Ash, 3x Droll, 3x Imperm, 2x Nib, 3x Crossout, 2x Tactics and 3x Prosperity (3 is a lot but you can pretty much always OTK through it and you have ways to pitch the extra copies if you open them), and a couple other cards I can’t remember.
Don't worry they'll become sort of like Purrely once the OCG decimates Fire King and maybe Silenforce down the road Memento's time will come in the future
Its OCG they play whatever is popular more than being just good. Because everyone can afford the most expensive deck theres a lot more representation for meta sometimes (or waifu decks) and no one over there is cooking for offmeta and rogue decks because there is no reason to play them unless youre a fan
I think its important to note ocg is plagued with maxx c so the game is different than tcg so many decks could be heavily hurt by the cancer that would otherwise have been good against this format. However this is of course speculation
@@samuelheddleI agree with you, it's a stupid reasoning because without Maxx C they can go further beyond in the TCG If you're not interrupting Rescue ACE, their endboard is so stupid, three backrows with multiple monster negates lol
Legacy of Destruction is gonna play out like DUNE. Its got lots of support for Valient Smashers in an attempt to make that deck build pack not unplayable but overall is it not gonna shake up the meta a ton.
DUNE did shake up the meta though. For a hot minute Unchained became the best deck in the format and Infernoble started topping immediately after release
I'd agree with that to a point. I think unchained and Infernoble also benefited from a level of unpreparedness among the player base. Maybe a better way of saying it would have been that DUNE didn't create a tier 0 meta or a clearly best deck in the format but it elevated lots of good decks to greatness. Unchained and Infernoble were great but so was R-ACE, Kashtira, Floo and Purrely. I think for the PHNI format, we are gonna be seeing a lot of Fire King / Snake-Eye and I don't think LEDE is gonna necessary stop that.
@@toadallyaverageLEDE definitely won't do much to change the meta, but it is really lacking in support that was intended to make decks competitive. For example, goblin riders got screwed over and ancient gear and melodious got support but are not decks that are intended to be really goof
"there are not a single card from legacy of destruction in there ", legacy was released on the 27th the report from between the 27th and the 31st ;did it occur to you that maybe people don't have the cards yet?
I love how the Fire King engine is barely even hittable. What do you do, Kirin to 1? The Snake Eye engine has to go, but It hasnt even been touched in the OCG, it will be a long time before they touch it in TCG
the FK stuff don't really need to be touched; it's the Snake-Eye stuff doing the hard carrying. FK is there to add an extra layer of disruption after your Snake-Eye stuff does all the hard work of baiting, setting up, etc. As for Snake-eye, I think we'll see a ban on Original. As for when, I don't really know, probably after Nats.
Dogmatika gives Voiceless voice some life... and added power-ceiling. Alba Zoa, Relic of Dogmatika, and Skull Guardian all giving you a line to OTK with... Not to mention you would have access to Ultimate Slayer and Dogmatikamatrix which are both great going second cards.. The Dogmatika package can easily bridge you over to Voiceless Voice through Heralds.
It’s my build rn cuz im playing Dogma ritual branded bystial,wanna change to VVdogma.Doesnt need Diviner,this build weaker vs droll but can play through ash,belle,veiler,ii and set up,OTK easier.Im thinking about Branded VV if alot of pp side d-barrier
They just make fire king possibly the new best deck now when it was just good before, along with VV. Nothing major but at least some changes in the format. LEDE really did almost nothing since there was nothing new introduced that could compete right out of the set and goblin bikers didn't get anything that make them more competitive in the ocg. Basically means that it will be the same for the tcg when they get it
In terms fire King's position, he is not wrong. Even if he were to be incorrect about the fire king deck using diabellze, it would just help become more dominant. There was just no support given that would introduce anything new in terms of the decks in the top position
Don't let the chat that says there's only 6 Fire King cards in the so called Fire King deck. There's also 3 Fire King spells, putting up the number of FK cards to 9. Meanwhile, there's 11 total Diabellstar/Snake-Eye cards, only 2 more. The truth about the deck is that it plays a fuckton of handtraps (14 total, more than either engine individually).
So essentially it’s a snake eye deck
@@masterflamewing234its fk though
@@masterflamewing234 There's only 2 more Snake-Eye cards than Fire King cards. It's an hybrid between the 2.
Its not even 11. its 7. diabell and wanted arent snake eyes spells. And dont miss on the fire king xyz and that not everyone is only playing 1 island. So there is more fk than snake eyes indeed
@Kamurai135 everyone is gonna do the branded thing where they count diabellestar and snake eyes as one thing like they did branded and despia even though it's not technically correct.
"Legacy of Destruction" is certainly one of the most "Yu-Gi-Oh set names" set names of all time.
Legacy of Destruction refers to the destruction effects of the Fire Kings leaving behind a legacy of people leaving YGO.
@@RealLockheedMartinor is it a Legacy or a Rite….
Nice note for the new VV continuous spell: Since it RITUAL summons (instead of special summons like new Sauravis), it allows you to actually resolve Odd-Eyes Pendulumgraph Dragon's effects, which is a much smoother way to get Odd-Eyes Wing Dragon (thanks for the correction @xibbas7055) out. Assuming you end on the "optimal" VV board (Skull Guardian, Lo, new Sauravis) it puts up a much stronger resistance than it currently does pre-LEDE
Crystal-Wing isn't an "Odd-eyes" card, pendulumgraph won't be able to get it out
@@anthonylee4689 Its Odd-Eyes Wing Dragon he just confused the name.
@@xibbas7055 yeah figured. if it was crystal wing it would be insanely good tho
I think the main reason to play delta y to stop cross and called by when you maxx c, i mean its good to negate power spells but what makes it great is the maxx c mini game
The Roach's influence knows no bounds
Typical TCG mindset blaming everything to Maxx C
Then why the card don't see any play before?
It has nothing to do with Maxx C, and more about the top two deck has spell cards (Original Sinful Spoils Snake Eye and VV continuous spell/ritual searcher) as chokepoint.
@@LS-qs9ju OCG players aren't gonna suck you off if you pretend to be superior. The reason you gave doesn't contradict op's reason at all and works well in tandem with it.
@@ashikjaman1940Why you so sensitive about it? Using bad words like a kid. I'm just clarifying because I attend OCG local and know why it's used.
Like, just stating a fact. Even Joshua himself (a TCG player, and also a world champion in a Maxx C format) doesn't think it's mainly for Maxx C mini game.
You can argue about Gamma, which is historically used for Maxx C mini game (as it counters Maxx C and Ash), but not for Delta.
What about the fire king continous spell, isn't it also used to stop it?
I assume there is 4% Sky Strikers just because of the manga propping up its popularity.
New Sky Striker cards too.
The new Link monsters(and Cyanos) make it much easier to play an actual Snake-Eyes variant. The problem is some of the new options are promo cards so not everyone's going to go out of their way to get them.
waiting for vaalmonica to become an important part of any pendulum player if there is any
Melodious is slowly creeping up too.
Melodious being able to multi-bounce while having targeting and destruction immunity via aria and elegy is something to look at
Strikes appear to be an efficient going first option. Previously, people got anti spell as the going first option . However, anti spell seems too fragile and not able to hold up opponents’s combo( especially against snake eye package). Therefore, Strikes has gained popularity as it’s a generic hard stop negation.
Still better at going second but having an ACTUAL going first line that can play through Duster and LS due to newer Link options that can do multiple things is a BIG help.
2:11 1 Red Dragon Archfiend!! I am happy!!
lotus is really nice. issue is the same as always, crimsons lock + dies to handtraps. I think maybe a horus engine or smth else will help . Bystials nice but unplayable right now.
@@OsirusHandle Yes, RDA naturally dies to HT like Nib. I carry triple crossout. I also play Bystials in my locals, but it's a hit or miss cause not all play Light or Dark monsters here. Wonder when the Lotus King arrives in TCG.
@@BGLoscar usually you can force nibiru by going supernova first but then you end on like... abyss pass. Well abyss pass with reign set isnt too bad. just annoying konami made such mid support 🥲 hopes for the future...
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Makes sense.
Looking at last year, Photon Hypernova (the first core set of the year) made Kashtira T1 and far more consistent, and released some generic cards that saw more play and value later on in the year.
Cyberstorm Access changed the meta a bit, though Konami did basically kill SHS viability in the meta. More generic cards released, but these didn't see as much of a relevancy until a bit later into the year as well.
I think the way the sets work, the cores bring some power to a deck or two initially, but other cards eventually get explored, and they start seeing more value spikes over time.
Chimera isn't a branded angle at all, somewhat of a shame for Josh to have missed that because it's by far the deck that gets changed the most by LEDE. Nightmare Apprentice + Diabellz are huge additions to the deck that completely alter the way it's being built.
It doesn't really do anything to change it in the ocg meta though. It may have an impact in the tcg.
I am fully expecting Infinite forbidden to introduce more illusion monsters in the snake eye lore that bring out the true potential of diabellze and apprentice while possibly giving chimera a boost.
Diabellze is terrifying. searchable antispell
Its wild to me that this is locals data mostly. And like smaller events. Like even having this many people afford the best decks in the game would be crazy in the TCG. Most locals I go to no one has the tier 1 stuff because its like 500-1000 dollars.
Theres one guy in locals playing 60cards volcanics/fireking/horus/snakeeyes/sinfulspoil/fireprincess/splittleknight/all full statlights pile deck. And he is winning. But his deck also costs like 5k. Shit is so unfair he just wins in time everygame because its 15minutes on the clock and he combos for no reason 12minutes and burns and thrn passes. Even if I have the winning hand there is no way for me to get into pb with all the mandatory Fireking effects in standby phase and quick effects
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Like i dont have a problem winning in time with time cards. But this is beyond. Going into game 3 with 5min on the clock. This is straight up abuse. And everyone else is on more cheap decks
Atleast im happy my locals prizings are bad so there is nothing to gain from this for him. Only 5 ots packs for the price of 12 euros hahaha what a fking loser
@@幽霊船-o4hcan you play dogwood? there are other "fun" cards too
Very interested that people haven’t shortened Voiceless Voice into VV, or at least it isn’t commonplace like SHS or BA
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2 ice barrier is based
A bit of patience. Legacy of destruction will change things for some deck and at some point, Chimera will become a real deck
Won't do much in the ocg
I'm in LEDE for the Voiceless and Centurion cards.
Something I was curious about, since I keep up with the meta currently and enjoy watching content around it but am not playing games by myself or watching alot of games: What do you think where the powerlevel of Fire King Rescue Ace would be in comparison to full power Tearlament or Spright? Or lets say, maybe with some consistency hits to both decks but nothing major banned like Elf, Kit, etc.
Ishizu Tearlament won no banlist tournament with only adding one or two banned card (because they want to play on turn zero and not a single banned main deck card help that strategy)
That's your answer for Tearlament.
For Spright it's a hard to gauge, as Snake Eye Fire King can sometimes go through three interruption and also have 14 handtraps.
But Spright probably stronger because Elf is stupid and they don't care about Nibiru.
@@LS-qs9ju Yep they only added Painful Choice and Graceful Charity. Ishizu Tear is a deck so strong that Pot of Greed actually makes the deck worse.
Let’s put it this way, Ishizu Tear is on a power level so high Pot of Greed or Graceful Charity would actually make the deck worse.
@@LS-qs9ju Actually a recent no banlist tournament was won by a full power dragon link. The winner is trishula, he has a video about it. (Not really a surprise tho si ce the deck has like 5+ banned cards)
@@Narium413 Thx for the answers guys :D Already thought so, but wanted to confirm. Seeing Spright vs. the current version of Snake Eye Fire King would be kinda interesting, with Elf and Toad lines still "properly" available
What do you think of the tenpai dragons? Do you think they'll be better as a solo deck (prob with bystials) or as an engine in dragon link?
The bystials are just better. D link is predominantly dark with a few lights. Even in the ocg bystials would probably still be better since they have chaos space at 3
Been testing with Tenpai and have been having a surprisingly decent amount of success. The deck has like 3 1-card combos that get you to either of the Level 10 Synchros and has a TON of room to play non-engine, I’m talking like 20+ slots. Unfortunately there are a ridiculously low amount of FIRE Dragons in the game, so there’s not a whole lot of tech options to explore for the deck, but you could theoretically play a small engine of like 3x White Dragon 1x Orange Dragon 1x Tenpai Quickplay (I can’t remember any of the card names off the top of my head lol) in a deck that doesn’t need or have a normal summon.
The list I’ve been testing has been the full suite of the Tenpai cards, 3x Ash, 3x Droll, 3x Imperm, 2x Nib, 3x Crossout, 2x Tactics and 3x Prosperity (3 is a lot but you can pretty much always OTK through it and you have ways to pitch the extra copies if you open them), and a couple other cards I can’t remember.
Hope we see new voiceless voice in infinite forbidden
Still no Memento seen anywhere... sadge :(
Don't worry they'll become sort of like Purrely once the OCG decimates Fire King and maybe Silenforce down the road
Memento's time will come in the future
Its OCG they play whatever is popular more than being just good. Because everyone can afford the most expensive deck theres a lot more representation for meta sometimes (or waifu decks) and no one over there is cooking for offmeta and rogue decks because there is no reason to play them unless youre a fan
Most of the decks used for tcg will be like 4 fire decks, branded, Sky striker, and voiceless
Josh don’t cap, you know Centurion will play shifter post LEDE
nice haircut
I think its important to note ocg is plagued with maxx c so the game is different than tcg so many decks could be heavily hurt by the cancer that would otherwise have been good against this format. However this is of course speculation
You know that maxx c is good against fk right?
@@RoBin-ec1fdI think that what they can put up makes it irrelevant tbh
remember when people said rescue ace was only good because of Maxx c
@@samuelheddleI agree with you, it's a stupid reasoning because without Maxx C they can go further beyond in the TCG
If you're not interrupting Rescue ACE, their endboard is so stupid, three backrows with multiple monster negates lol
Yubel tier 1 post LEDE ?
Not even close
tier 4/5 possibly
Tier zero yubel will come
Konami just has to hit a few cards to solve the problem
They will do something in March. Infinite forbidden will be out in April and it that should end up being the next set to establish a new meta
Legacy of Destruction is gonna play out like DUNE. Its got lots of support for Valient Smashers in an attempt to make that deck build pack not unplayable but overall is it not gonna shake up the meta a ton.
DUNE did shake up the meta though. For a hot minute Unchained became the best deck in the format and Infernoble started topping immediately after release
I'd agree with that to a point. I think unchained and Infernoble also benefited from a level of unpreparedness among the player base. Maybe a better way of saying it would have been that DUNE didn't create a tier 0 meta or a clearly best deck in the format but it elevated lots of good decks to greatness. Unchained and Infernoble were great but so was R-ACE, Kashtira, Floo and Purrely. I think for the PHNI format, we are gonna be seeing a lot of Fire King / Snake-Eye and I don't think LEDE is gonna necessary stop that.
@@toadallyaverageLEDE definitely won't do much to change the meta, but it is really lacking in support that was intended to make decks competitive. For example, goblin riders got screwed over and ancient gear and melodious got support but are not decks that are intended to be really goof
Devil Link tier 0 post LEDE🥶
"there are not a single card from legacy of destruction in there ", legacy was released on the 27th the report from between the 27th and the 31st ;did it occur to you that maybe people don't have the cards yet?
No that would make too much sense, sense doesn't occur here.
I love how the Fire King engine is barely even hittable.
What do you do, Kirin to 1?
The Snake Eye engine has to go, but It hasnt even been touched in the OCG, it will be a long time before they touch it in TCG
I think they will gut fire king cuz cheap cards die first
the FK stuff don't really need to be touched; it's the Snake-Eye stuff doing the hard carrying. FK is there to add an extra layer of disruption after your Snake-Eye stuff does all the hard work of baiting, setting up, etc.
As for Snake-eye, I think we'll see a ban on Original. As for when, I don't really know, probably after Nats.
Ban poplus job done for now. limit kirin does actually hurt badly though
I'd say limit ash and semi bonfire will reduce both fk and pure snake eye consistency
Idk man,tenpai dragon blind-second had potential to disrupt meta play though
Dogmatika gives Voiceless voice some life... and added power-ceiling. Alba Zoa, Relic of Dogmatika, and Skull Guardian all giving you a line to OTK with... Not to mention you would have access to Ultimate Slayer and Dogmatikamatrix which are both great going second cards.. The Dogmatika package can easily bridge you over to Voiceless Voice through Heralds.
It’s my build rn cuz im playing Dogma ritual branded bystial,wanna change to VVdogma.Doesnt need Diviner,this build weaker vs droll but can play through ash,belle,veiler,ii and set up,OTK easier.Im thinking about Branded VV if alot of pp side d-barrier
You play into droll and get fuck against decks that don’t play the extra like that personally I rather not.
@@Nooblet92Ca I mean yes, Dimension Shifter and Droll are things that you need to take into consideration when building that deck.
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I would dare say that PHNI won’t change much here in the TCG either outside of Poplar and PP
They just make fire king possibly the new best deck now when it was just good before, along with VV. Nothing major but at least some changes in the format.
LEDE really did almost nothing since there was nothing new introduced that could compete right out of the set and goblin bikers didn't get anything that make them more competitive in the ocg.
Basically means that it will be the same for the tcg when they get it
The title of this video is incredibly wrong lmao.
I normally agree with most things you say but “legacy won’t change anything is a joke”
In terms fire King's position, he is not wrong. Even if he were to be incorrect about the fire king deck using diabellze, it would just help become more dominant.
There was just no support given that would introduce anything new in terms of the decks in the top position
They got tired of R-ACE.
No. Limited emergency. Limited airlifter.
@@Remehdise Those limits, while impactful didn’t hamper the deck that much.
cringe take@@arrownoir
@@arrownoirIt absolutely did, the deck ceiling is much harder to obtain and they need to play another brick to recover emergency.
the fire deck is trash... lmao that's what ya'll consider strong... smh the exodia support is better lmao
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