@@andrewt836ooh, I don't know, but perhaps it's because you are using TH-cam, which is one of the most successful and truly global platforms on the internet, and therefore widely available and hugely popular in countries that are not part of the United Kingdom; and even though some of those countries have English as their first language, there are variations between and often within different nations. Although English does take its name from England, England did not retain proprietary rights over the language, in perpetuity at the time of export, and any appearance of control has steadily diminished and ceased to exist long before the present day, in the C21st, when our influence in the world is at its lowest point in many centuries. Britain has given a number of useful inventions and discoveries to the world, which we can take some pride in, as we might take pride in our children, but we have to accept that they go their own way. Do you speak the same English as your parents? Or what about their parents? Does anyone nowadays sound like they've just walked out of a Dickens novel? Or a Shakespeare play? Or one of Chaucer's Tales? When was the last time you read Beowulf. It's in English, so there's nothing stopping you except it's Old English, and unintelligible to the casual modern reader. So English becomes steadily more unfamiliar the further back you go. So here's the thing: ALL languages change, all the time, unless they're dead languages. Of the oldest languages known to man, only a few survive as active, spoken languages in a recognisable state, and in relatively small populations. English is comparatively recent, but has changed enormously over the last thousand years or so. Grammar, vocabulary, pronounciation, they've all changed radically over time. So identifying a definitive version is like nailing jelly to a wall. Gotten / got is an interesting example. It's much more prevalent in modern American English than British English, but this was not always the case. Gotten ruled in medieval English, but began to decline (and be replaced by got) in the C16th. Chaucer used gotten, while Shakespeare used both in his plays, and so did Samuel Johnson in his great dictionary, where he stated either was acceptable. Got came to predominate in Britain by the C18th, just as over time gotten was more generally adopted in American English, but it's very difficult to know why. Sometimes, they just liked to piss off whichever George was King at the time with a few little changes here and there, because they could. That's the origin of many spelling variants. Sometimes it was British English that changed, it was as volatile as ever back then, with a lot of regional and class-based variations. Many 'Englishmen' spoke dialects that changed every few miles, which only survive nowadays in accents for the most part. It was the industrial revolution, and population mobility, that began to shape what we now think of as a distinctive British English in which got predominated. However, with the proliferation of American culture through films and TV in the C20th, gotten has staged something of a comeback in the UK, though it is still less common. Custom dictates preference, but neither variant is wrong. They don't create any ambiguity in meaning. I can't say how things stand in New Zealand, but they are no more bound to follow the old Country than is America. 12,000 miles away, and thriving in the midst of a vast ocean, they're all grown up now, so they can conjugate English verbs as they damn well please. Or not at all - speak Maori, make a pidgin language more representative of Polynesian culture, learn Sheep so they can have more friends, it's completely up to them. For now they're broadly sticking with English, which is convenient, and makes NZ easy to visit, if you can hack the flights. But don't tell them off for getting it wrong, if they hapoen to make a comment on TH-cam! It's an interesting example of how the English language has continued to change and differentiate over time as it has been exported to other countries and cultures, which then influence and add back to the OG. 'The English' think that we - yes, I am - invented it, forgetting (or perhaps unaware) that it is a bastard tongue that was synthesized from several different antecedents, reflecting the turbulent history of these much invaded islands up to the Norman conquest, and the later effects of colonial expansion from the 1500s onwards. There has never been an 'official' version of the language, maintained and defended by some presiding authority of greybeards, like the Academie Francaise, for example, jealously guarding the language against foreign loan words, or any simplification of the grammar - the conditional tense for example, which is not even a thing in English, and which most French people don't even use, but is still demanded in any formal document. This absence of centralised control has liberated the English language to evolve over time, and in different places, which is undoubtedly one of its strengths. French is lovely, but despite the historical excursions of the French into foreign lands, it has not become the dominant lingua franca. Have a stab at conducting business, say, in English, it's relatively easy to make yourself understood by corralling the right words together. No-one's going complain too much about word order, or insist that your verb endings have to agree in number and tense with the subject noun. English is an highly idiomatic language, and the 'correct' usage often being the one people use, or the ones people use, because there are many ways to say much the same thing. The rule is that there are no rules, although some things are definitely wrong. How do we know? Because they don't sound right. Except that is of course a subjective judgement, of the kind you yourself make: 'gotten really gets on my tits' is basically what you're saying, but all you are doing really is preferring one variant of a word to another. If you dislike gotten, I guess you're probably British, and a little-ickle teensy bit xenophobic, because you are in effect complaining that all these foreigners keep getting it wrong, and they're bloody everywhere! How do you think the bloody foreigners feel about us then? Think of the poor OP, who said wow, I love this show, it makes me so happy! Only to be leapt upon by a lurking curmudgeon who pisses on their joy, and reprimands them with a trumped-up violation of the King's grammar! Really? Do you think to flatter yourself by looking down your nose at some perfectly innocent stranger who only meant to put a happy thought out into the world? I suggest you think again, and maybe consider how you look from their perspective. Or anyone's really. What you have given us is a neat illustration of the 'Dunning-Kruger effect', which is an observation of a common tendency that the more limited an individual's knowledge of a subject, the more likely they are to over-estimate their understanding of it. The present context, however, is mystifying. I do not know why, of all the comments on TH-cam, so many of which are practically illiterate, you should have chosen to vent your rage on this one, so I will not pretend to understand. Perhaps you had a harshly critical teacher when you were young, perhaps you have some personal resentment towards new Zealand, perhaps you got out of bed on the wrong side this morning and it's been a shit-show the whole day long Perhaps your just a ... count-rified type who doesn't know any better. I've no idea, and I'm not going to make prejudicial assumptions. But I hope you have at least gotten the point by now. If you want to be thought of as petty, mean and, um, not the sharpest knife in drawer, then that prize is yours for the taking; but do you really want it?
I bloody love Jordan! His laugh, and the way he just pops out with his thoughts! Also boys.... Australia is not as dangerous as you have been lead to believe.
I mean this in the most kindest way, but I love listening to this podcast to fall asleep too. So peaceful and it’s a weirdly good feeling half asleep and laughing
ADHD here who definitely has spontaneously decided the flat needs a clean at 11 at night or made spur of the moment decisions to make muffins etc. ps, jordan in black is definitely working for me.
Islington !!!!! Yay!! We are now officially on the map now we have been mentioned by Jordan. I'm born and bred in Islington it deserves bigging up. A great place for any G & Divas.
I completely agree with the phones thing. I was watching NXT (wwe show) and the Undertaker had made a surprise return (for those who don't know wrestling, he's a legend) and everyone just had their phones out instead of basking in the excitement of a retired legend coming back.
Tell Jordan to get into purdy and Figg cleaning products. Bleach is fine down the loo or on the floor, but this product is gorgeous. It's aromatherapy on a bottle that CLEANS!!!!
All very well till Jordan has a caffeine OD and ends up in A&E thinking he's having a heart attack. Happened to my boss when he bought a coffee machine. All the coffee explains the midnight cleaning too.
Yes, it is dangerous to frequently exceed the daily maximum limit of caffeine. Which according to Google is 400mg a day at the most. And no more than 150mg per litre in terms of strength.
I have adhd. Forget to eat and drink way too much coffee! Was early for a big important board meeting with a Global customer, and had coffee at home, a large cappuccino in their cafe then another in the meeting. I had totally OD’d and when their ahole Customer Services director was being a dickhead I lost my usual control and went head to head with him, ended up telling him to stop being so obstructive that it was not helping anyone 😵 Afterwards the CIO and the COO had lunch with me and admitted they were texting each other under the table, COO asking if they should step in, but the CIO had replied “No, let her have him.” 🤣🤣🤣 (No-one liked the guy) But yeah, I never had more than one coffee before a meeting again! Turns me into a punchy nightmare !!!
Elevensiesi! I have not heard that before in English! In Chile they have an afternoon meal sort of like tea i suppose called Onces (elevens). I was told that is was the number of letters in some alcoholic beverage but i never heard of the actually bev. Now Onces can be a ful-on meal and as Chileans have a strong cultural connection to Spain, their meal times are pretty unfamiliar to an American (north american/ USA person ?) In the afternoon some time
I utterly love you, Jordan and William. You allways put a smile on my face. One etiquette thing that William are wrong about is that his name shouldn´t come before Jordan. When you use first name. the person that comes first in alphabet is mention first. Do you use last name Mr Hansson comes first and Mr North is 2nd. I, with a prefix in my name are often put wrong in lists. Mostely they think my name is de, not Blanche. Can I adopt Jordan or will he have his slippers under my bed?
31:05 has Wendy tried belly bands for Frank to help with peeing everywhere…? They’re better than nappies as it is not put on tighter than the hips. Think Pets At Home or Amazon are the best pace to find them xx
People in the C17th certainly weren't worried about germs / bacteria, because they were 200 years too early to know that such things existed. I suspect their nervousness was about spilling the hot liquid in the cup on clothes that were not readily cleaned.
William is so right with the phones thing. Why does everyone need to record something they're probably never going to watch. Just a sea of phones all recording the same thing. I also don't understand these people that do things like watch concerts through their phones. Just enjoy the concert fgs
I completely agree with Jordan regarding coffee. Thin filtered coffee is a waste of coffee and money. But different parts of the world brew coffee differently. Most would be more similar to Jordan. Sorry William.
i have a dumb but very genuine question. i usually dont have a problem understanding accents, but so far i’ve never been able to figure out WHAT exactly jordan says after the intro like “what do you do if you accidentally sexted your boss” and before “william hanson, uks leading etiquette expert”. i’ve been thinking about it for days now. please someone help me
The watching an episode without your partner thing is absolutely pathetic. If they told you spoilers and ruined it for you, fine, be annoyed. But if your relationship revolves around simultaneously watching programmes together then you probably need to get a life. Just watch it yourself afterwards and then you can talk about it, if that’s so important to you to debrief on a reality tv show 😂
How has this not gotten more attention?? They're hilarious, and this has quickly become my comfort podcast ❤ hello from New Zealand
I’m wish I never read that ‘gotten’ is an increasingly pervasive Americanism. I see it everywhere!
@@andrewt836 lmao it’s just proper English. It’s a past participle bc of the used the verb “has.” It’s not an Americanism.
Also watching avidly from NZ. Such a happy discovery.
ALSO watching from NZ ❤
@@andrewt836ooh, I don't know, but perhaps it's because you are using TH-cam, which is one of the most successful and truly global platforms on the internet, and therefore widely available and hugely popular in countries that are not part of the United Kingdom; and even though some of those countries have English as their first language, there are variations between and often within different nations. Although English does take its name from England, England did not retain proprietary rights over the language, in perpetuity at the time of export, and any appearance of control has steadily diminished and ceased to exist long before the present day, in the C21st, when our influence in the world is at its lowest point in many centuries. Britain has given a number of useful inventions and discoveries to the world, which we can take some pride in, as we might take pride in our children, but we have to accept that they go their own way.
Do you speak the same English as your parents? Or what about their parents? Does anyone nowadays sound like they've just walked out of a Dickens novel? Or a Shakespeare play? Or one of Chaucer's Tales? When was the last time you read Beowulf. It's in English, so there's nothing stopping you except it's Old English, and unintelligible to the casual modern reader. So English becomes steadily more unfamiliar the further back you go. So here's the thing: ALL languages change, all the time, unless they're dead languages. Of the oldest languages known to man, only a few survive as active, spoken languages in a recognisable state, and in relatively small populations. English is comparatively recent, but has changed enormously over the last thousand years or so. Grammar, vocabulary, pronounciation, they've all changed radically over time. So identifying a definitive version is like nailing jelly to a wall.
Gotten / got is an interesting example. It's much more prevalent in modern American English than British English, but this was not always the case. Gotten ruled in medieval English, but began to decline (and be replaced by got) in the C16th. Chaucer used gotten, while Shakespeare used both in his plays, and so did Samuel Johnson in his great dictionary, where he stated either was acceptable. Got came to predominate in Britain by the C18th, just as over time gotten was more generally adopted in American English, but it's very difficult to know why. Sometimes, they just liked to piss off whichever George was King at the time with a few little changes here and there, because they could. That's the origin of many spelling variants. Sometimes it was British English that changed, it was as volatile as ever back then, with a lot of regional and class-based variations. Many 'Englishmen' spoke dialects that changed every few miles, which only survive nowadays in accents for the most part. It was the industrial revolution, and population mobility, that began to shape what we now think of as a distinctive British English in which got predominated.
However, with the proliferation of American culture through films and TV in the C20th, gotten has staged something of a comeback in the UK, though it is still less common. Custom dictates preference, but neither variant is wrong. They don't create any ambiguity in meaning. I can't say how things stand in New Zealand, but they are no more bound to follow the old Country than is America. 12,000 miles away, and thriving in the midst of a vast ocean, they're all grown up now, so they can conjugate English verbs as they damn well please. Or not at all - speak Maori, make a pidgin language more representative of Polynesian culture, learn Sheep so they can have more friends, it's completely up to them. For now they're broadly sticking with English, which is convenient, and makes NZ easy to visit, if you can hack the flights. But don't tell them off for getting it wrong, if they hapoen to make a comment on TH-cam!
It's an interesting example of how the English language has continued to change and differentiate over time as it has been exported to other countries and cultures, which then influence and add back to the OG. 'The English' think that we - yes, I am - invented it, forgetting (or perhaps unaware) that it is a bastard tongue that was synthesized from several different antecedents, reflecting the turbulent history of these much invaded islands up to the Norman conquest, and the later effects of colonial expansion from the 1500s onwards. There has never been an 'official' version of the language, maintained and defended by some presiding authority of greybeards, like the Academie Francaise, for example, jealously guarding the language against foreign loan words, or any simplification of the grammar - the conditional tense for example, which is not even a thing in English, and which most French people don't even use, but is still demanded in any formal document. This absence of centralised control has liberated the English language to evolve over time, and in different places, which is undoubtedly one of its strengths. French is lovely, but despite the historical excursions of the French into foreign lands, it has not become the dominant lingua franca. Have a stab at conducting business, say, in English, it's relatively easy to make yourself understood by corralling the right words together. No-one's going complain too much about word order, or insist that your verb endings have to agree in number and tense with the subject noun. English is an highly idiomatic language, and the 'correct' usage often being the one people use, or the ones people use, because there are many ways to say much the same thing. The rule is that there are no rules, although some things are definitely wrong. How do we know? Because they don't sound right. Except that is of course a subjective judgement, of the kind you yourself make: 'gotten really gets on my tits' is basically what you're saying, but all you are doing really is preferring one variant of a word to another. If you dislike gotten, I guess you're probably British, and a little-ickle teensy bit xenophobic, because you are in effect complaining that all these foreigners keep getting it wrong, and they're bloody everywhere! How do you think the bloody foreigners feel about us then? Think of the poor OP, who said wow, I love this show, it makes me so happy! Only to be leapt upon by a lurking curmudgeon who pisses on their joy, and reprimands them with a trumped-up violation of the King's grammar! Really? Do you think to flatter yourself by looking down your nose at some perfectly innocent stranger who only meant to put a happy thought out into the world? I suggest you think again, and maybe consider how you look from their perspective. Or anyone's really.
What you have given us is a neat illustration of the 'Dunning-Kruger effect', which is an observation of a common tendency that the more limited an individual's knowledge of a subject, the more likely they are to over-estimate their understanding of it. The present context, however, is mystifying. I do not know why, of all the comments on TH-cam, so many of which are practically illiterate, you should have chosen to vent your rage on this one, so I will not pretend to understand. Perhaps you had a harshly critical teacher when you were young, perhaps you have some personal resentment towards new Zealand, perhaps you got out of bed on the wrong side this morning and it's been a shit-show the whole day long Perhaps your just a ... count-rified type who doesn't know any better. I've no idea, and I'm not going to make prejudicial assumptions. But I hope you have at least gotten the point by now. If you want to be thought of as petty, mean and, um, not the sharpest knife in drawer, then that prize is yours for the taking; but do you really want it?
I bloody love Jordan! His laugh, and the way he just pops out with his thoughts!
Also boys.... Australia is not as dangerous as you have been lead to believe.
I mean this in the most kindest way, but I love listening to this podcast to fall asleep too. So peaceful and it’s a weirdly good feeling half asleep and laughing
I do the same 😊
This!
I do the same every night!
i also do this
Right. Agreed
William has a lot of friends because he's a lovely person but so is Jordan love them both xx
I am loving that Jordan is "morphing" into Joan Crawford doing midnight cleaning and using bleach too 😂😂😂 ❤️❤️❤️
He is in Wendy mode ❤
ADHD here who definitely has spontaneously decided the flat needs a clean at 11 at night or made spur of the moment decisions to make muffins etc.
ps, jordan in black is definitely working for me.
I think I have ADHD, and when I wasn’t physically disabled, I would iron all night, through until like 5am, on the spur of the moment 😂
Islington !!!!! Yay!! We are now officially on the map now we have been mentioned by Jordan. I'm born and bred in Islington it deserves bigging up. A great place for any G & Divas.
SO EXCITED for the book. I live all the way in New York but hoping my signed copy from WaterStones don't take too long to travel across the pond.
Oh wow have I caught the premier? Hello g&divas 😊
Hello😊😊
“William,How’s your Gay mug”??..
“He’s called Mikey”!!..
Haaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaa!!.. 👌🏼💯👏🏼👏🏼🤣🤣🤣🤣
Whenever Jordan becomes defensive his Northerner comes back with a vengeance :D 🤔👹🤣
Cannot wait for the book - bring on next month 🎉
I completely agree with the phones thing. I was watching NXT (wwe show) and the Undertaker had made a surprise return (for those who don't know wrestling, he's a legend) and everyone just had their phones out instead of basking in the excitement of a retired legend coming back.
The best part of this was the end. Can you charge family for the book? Very funny!
Tell Jordan to get into purdy and Figg cleaning products. Bleach is fine down the loo or on the floor, but this product is gorgeous. It's aromatherapy on a bottle that CLEANS!!!!
In Canada we have a chocolatier named Purdy's so I'm imagining a house smelling of chocolate after cleaning! Yes!
All very well till Jordan has a caffeine OD and ends up in A&E thinking he's having a heart attack. Happened to my boss when he bought a coffee machine. All the coffee explains the midnight cleaning too.
Yes, it is dangerous to frequently exceed the daily maximum limit of caffeine. Which according to Google is 400mg a day at the most. And no more than 150mg per litre in terms of strength.
Decontaminate that mug please
Wendy deserves a free book ❤
Definitely on both. One doesn't put the teapot to one's mouth. The mug needs washing.
Borderline ADHD? 😂 I knew Jordan had ADHD since the first episode I watched, he's too relatable
Or a heavy caffeine addiction 😂
I have adhd.
Forget to eat and drink way too much coffee!
Was early for a big important board meeting with a Global customer, and had coffee at home, a large cappuccino in their cafe then another in the meeting.
I had totally OD’d and when their ahole Customer Services director was being a dickhead I lost my usual control and went head to head with him, ended up telling him to stop being so obstructive that it was not helping anyone 😵
Afterwards the CIO and the COO had lunch with me and admitted they were texting each other under the table, COO asking if they should step in, but the CIO had replied “No, let her have him.” 🤣🤣🤣
(No-one liked the guy)
But yeah, I never had more than one coffee before a meeting again!
Turns me into a punchy nightmare !!!
Elevensiesi! I have not heard that before in English! In Chile they have an afternoon meal sort of like tea i suppose called Onces (elevens). I was told that is was the number of letters in some alcoholic beverage but i never heard of the actually bev. Now Onces can be a ful-on meal and as Chileans have a strong cultural connection to Spain, their meal times are pretty unfamiliar to an American (north american/ USA person ?) In the afternoon some time
What do I want for Christmas … a sonic screwdriver
I utterly love you, Jordan and William. You allways put a smile on my face. One etiquette thing that William are wrong about is that his name shouldn´t come before Jordan. When you use first name. the person that comes first in alphabet is mention first. Do you use last name Mr Hansson comes first and Mr North is 2nd. I, with a prefix in my name are often put wrong in lists. Mostely they think my name is de, not Blanche. Can I adopt Jordan or will he have his slippers under my bed?
Lydia Dingle in Emmerdale 😂
William's more High Brow - Jordan's more High Colonic
Cold brew - there's your #20
31:05 has Wendy tried belly bands for Frank to help with peeing everywhere…? They’re better than nappies as it is not put on tighter than the hips. Think Pets At Home or Amazon are the best pace to find them xx
#savejordansjollyjokeoftheweek
Whatttt, I have a cappuccino every eve at 7/8pm 😭😭 it’s a MORNING coffee??? Nooo
People in the C17th certainly weren't worried about germs / bacteria, because they were 200 years too early to know that such things existed. I suspect their nervousness was about spilling the hot liquid in the cup on clothes that were not readily cleaned.
Has it been a week already, oh well I’m not complaining 🎉
5 mins to go 😊
Woohoo I’m here first…that’s quite a sad comment!
It's the little things...😂
I am 58 y o and never tried coffee :)
Have you tried Ungava Gin from Canada? I’d love your review.
I always drink my g&d with gordon’s pink gin 😜
William is so right with the phones thing. Why does everyone need to record something they're probably never going to watch. Just a sea of phones all recording the same thing. I also don't understand these people that do things like watch concerts through their phones. Just enjoy the concert fgs
I completely agree with Jordan regarding coffee. Thin filtered coffee is a waste of coffee and money. But different parts of the world brew coffee differently. Most would be more similar to Jordan. Sorry William.
Don't your family want to support you by buying the book?
Northern family's ! Mines the same ...you can't charge family ! 😂
@@Hin-c9t Families.
i have a dumb but very genuine question. i usually dont have a problem understanding accents, but so far i’ve never been able to figure out WHAT exactly jordan says after the intro like “what do you do if you accidentally sexted your boss” and before “william hanson, uks leading etiquette expert”. i’ve been thinking about it for days now. please someone help me
But, we’re not your usual agony aunts, are we, William Hanson…
@@richardheeks7481 THANK YOU. i found them several weeks ago and ever since then i couldn’t figure it out but now it started really bugging me
As an O.G. G&Diva.... what DO you do if you've accidentally sexted your boss? Have they.. ever actually said? Asking for a friend 😅
Oh should change the date of the gay panto and take Jordan EPB.
Not at all 🎉❤
Btw is this normal? I’ve not seen this happening before, I may have missed something lol
It’s a new thing writhing the last year or so where they can premiere a video before it comes out
hahaha
Finn thins
Has Jordan been diagnosed with ADHD?
Has Jordan lost his job? He hasn't had the proper introduction for the last week!
Ugh jordan in a black t...stop it already
As someone who's blind in one eye and has no central vision in the other, it's really not cute #justsayin
The watching an episode without your partner thing is absolutely pathetic. If they told you spoilers and ruined it for you, fine, be annoyed. But if your relationship revolves around simultaneously watching programmes together then you probably need to get a life. Just watch it yourself afterwards and then you can talk about it, if that’s so important to you to debrief on a reality tv show 😂