I finally have done enough research and thinking to answer this! I won’t go too in depth, but Gregor is a weird case where his benefits aren’t huge when using him normally, but when you build to use him specifically, those bonuses can become huge, specifically the skill 3 coin power at 18+ Defense Level Ups. His only other tangible benefit is the Defense Skill increase, which is significant since he wants Aggro for his passive. Overall, Zwei Gregor probably lands in the High C Tier for having a good UT4, but being a little niche Faust’s is just a solid numbers and value increase. Though her skill 2 is improved by quite a bit, allowing it to clash 2 higher than at UT3. The skill 3 rolling a 16 instead of 15 is always a nice buff. I’d say she’s probably bottom of B tier.
His sound design is probably my favorite in the game outside of maybe NClair. Despite me using him so little, I will always recognize that his aesthetics are awesome.
Made this timestamp list mostly for myself to find things quickly later, but hopefully it helps others too. F Tier: 2:10 Chef Ryoshu: 2:33 LCB Faust: 3:13 LCB Outis: 3:31 LCB Gregor: 3:48 LCB Hong Lu: 3:59 Sloshing Ishmael: 4:14 Chef Gregor: 5:17 D Tier: 5:45 Red Sheet Sinclair: 5:58 Blade Lineage Outis: 6:16 LCB Yi Sang: 6:46 LCB Sinclair: 7:04 Zwei Sinclair: 7:34 Kurokumo Hong Lu: 8:32 LCB Don Quixote: 8:55 Mariachi Jefe Sinclair: 9:23 7 Association Ryoshu: 9:50 C Tier: 10:20 LCB Heathcliff: 10:34 N Corp. Heathcliff: 11:03 One Who Shall Grip Sinclair: 11:45 L Corp. Faust: 12:16 Spicebush Yi Sang: 12:47 Shi Association Don Quixote: 13:10 N Corp. Rodion: 13:42 G Corp. Outis: 14:22 Liu Association Hong Lu: 14:49 N Corp. Meursault: 15:15 LCB Meursault: 15:54 Rosespanner Gregor: 16:12 Liu Meursault: 16:39 LCB Rodion: 17:13 B Tier: 17:50 LCCB Rodion: 18:12 Rosespanner Meursault: 19:14 7 Association Outis: 19:50 Rosespanner Rodion: 20:29 Molar Boatworks Sinclair: 21:15 7 Association Yi Sang: 21:58 Tingtang Hong Lu: 22:30 Kurokumo Ryoshu: 23:44 LCCB Ishmeal: 24:31 LCB Ryoshu: 25:19 N Corp. Don Quixote: 26:00 Rabbit Heathcliff: 26:58 Kurokumo Rodion: 28:16 Shi Association Heathcliff: 31:21 G Corp. Gregor: 32:20 The One Who Grips Faust: 33:25 A tier: 34:30 Sunshower Heathcliff: 34:53 Zwei Rodion: 35:43 Molar Boatworks Ishmael: 37:02 Cinq Association Don Quixote: 37:50 W Corp. Don Quixote: 38:27 Liu Association Gregor: 39:09 Shi Association Ishmael: 40:00 K Corp. Hong Lu: 40:54 Liu Association Ishmael: 41:41 W Corp. Faust: 42:37 Blade Lineage Sinclair: 44:00 S tier: 45:58 Rhino Meursault: 46:17 Blade Lineage Yi Sang: 47:56 W Corp. Meursault: 49:30 Reindeer Ishmael: 51:00
@@sansclone1874 Zwei Faust, Zwei Gregor, W Ryoshu, W Hong Lu, 7 Faust, 7 Heathcliff, Dieci Rodion, Regret Faust, and Hook Office Hong Lu; all of the IDs I just listed were added post-video. My understanding is that they are all fairly valuable to uptie, for what it is worth.
One thing I love about Reindeer Ishmael's Uptie 4 is that she's no longer guaranteed to lose sanity when her passive procs. Gone are the untold amounts of times when I actively dreaded lining up 3 Gloom skills and losing Ish's hard-earned SP, leading to her sucking ass in rolling for clashes and damage - now she's much more STRAIGHTFORWARD to play, as all you need to do to keep your sanity is just... damage somebody with her, and her skills let her do so pretty easily. All in all, she really is an example of an ID that is not just upgraded but outright FIXED by the Up4.
Aye, it was like in contact lens ads when Canto V dungeon temporarily uptied her. As soon as this video confirmed everything I uptied her and now I only need W Don Quixote for a full charge team.
Good tier list. The only thing I really disagree on is bringing Chef over 7 Ryoshu in MD2H; having 16 and 19 rolling skill instead of 18 and 15 is much better, in my opinion. I've once had her clash against Bull and she won. Chef *also* might have won, but such a thing is irrelevant. 7 Ryoshu supremacy 🙏 Also, on the G Gregor thing: the condition for coin power is not [on use] and is just tied to the skill, meaning once the rupture runs out due to the first hit, he stops getting the power. Meaning by himself, his best roll on S3 is 13 and not 16, and spending so much rupture count for mediocre damage instead of further stacking is not the greatest idea. Very sad.
Thanks for letting me know about G. Gregor, it slipped my mind once I saw the patch changing it from rupture count to rupture, but that is how the + coin power works, so it makes sense. Bearing that in mind, he would probably move to just below TingTang Hong Lu on the tier list. Thank you for watching!
i was going to respond with an argument but then I read 'Chef also might have won, but such a thing is irrelevant' and honestly, based. I'm a chef enjoyer but I have only respect for this sort of unapologetic bias
just had this hit my reccs! super cool, i love how detailed you get as well as putting little humorous bits here and there! kept my little adhd brain attentive. hope to see more from ya!
When you said Base Don joke, I said: "Shi Don? Shid on What?" And fell off a chair in hysterical laughter. Also, I have uptied blade lineage Outis to try to solo md2 normal (I don't have all buffs) And I believe that R corp Ishmael is the best blunt dmg unit in this entire game at uptie 4. And, poetically, she was my first 3 star. I went to see how is she affected by uptie 4, saw it, thought and was like: "nah, she can't become that good, right?" I ever understood her passive wrong, that pm nerfed it by leaving +1 power at next turn and making her lose more sanity, but no. Her passive became useful for once! Yeah. We can try arguing who is better, Ninclair, Liu or R corp. But I at least believe that R corp is one of the best ids to get.
This was an amazing video; entertaining visuals, pristine audio quality I'm a new player and this really helps me. I don't know how I didn't find this channel before
This video made me realize how much of the gameplay I don't understand. BUT, I feel like one of 3 people who figured out how to conserve Rabbit Heathcliff's bullets, which feels like arcane knowledge in this fandom lmao. Thanks a bunch, you're really funny and this was insightful!
@@CinqAssocSouthSect5DonQuixote you gotta save a lot of ammo in multi-wave fights or big ass stall fights or lose some coins in clashes since ammo coins are removed first (don't lose the entire clash on S1 and S2, and don't lose at all on S3, cuz ammo coins inflict 2 fragile
This video is really well made honestly and has alotta good info, made me actually do uptie 4 instead of just fully ignoring it and doing some cool team matchups in mirror dungeons, really nice and i can see myself rewatching this more to recall info
Nice, 210 likes with 0 dislikes! I really enjoy your content compared to other limbus characters, as your analysis provides just as much insight (if not even more) than the other ones, and also is well edited! Many thanks for your videos.
My RR turn count is 83. It could have been sub-80, but 83 was objectively the correct number because it is a kittyface. 83 adding edits as I go through: -If you have Rodya Rhyme Shank, 6 Sinking Count is trivial if you t4 it, making her work well with Spicebrush. Kinda pricy shardwise tho.
I was gonna say on the spicy yi sang section "rhyme shank would like to have a word with you on getting 6 count 'reasonably'" also, doesn't boat ish apply quite a bit of count on her s3, alongside some on her s1? Don't forget her passive. Spicy yi sang also applies like 2 count next turn on s1. Reasonably you would use spicy s1, then boat s1 into s3 and by next turn the enemy will have I think enough by next turn? Maybe two spicy s1s
Spicebush paired up with Fishmael leads to a really broken Sinking Deluge combo. I would still say his UT4 isn't a priority but still something to consider. (yes this combo is so broken you can cheese My Form Empties in 2 turns)
currently ingame N.Corp heathcliff's uptie 4 passive increases coin power +1, raising the ceiling on skill 1 by 2 and his skill 3 by 3 giving him a bit more of a buff
I honestly have no clue how to play this game but I did get R.corp Ishmael as my first 000 ID and the uptie is ridiculous Also great editing! Love the content, even if some of it goes over my head cause I’m dumb
Thanks! I could see myself doing an EGO one, though that's not what I am currently working on. If I were to do it, it would be incredibly rapid fire, since I believe there is not much to say about a lot of the uptie 4 EGO. Especially since most of them are just gaining attack weight, which there is not much to say about.
As an ishmael enjoyer, i am VERY happy with how shes being treated in this season (2 new 000 ids, and imo the best ut4 in the game).... We dont talk about sloshmael though...
Kurokumo Rodion feels like the poster girl for "IDs that need an extra skill slot to feel right". Without the extra skill slot that comes either from being in gang war content, or underdeploying on focused battles, some kits just feel clunky and unreliable. Red Sheet Sinclair is another that stands out there, because it's extremely difficult to line up your talisman count in such a way that the Skill 3 can get that treasured "Give 5 talisman to enemy" number. I uptied Rodion, though, because I do use her on a semi-regular basis, and I'd like the set to feel like it works properly.
It’s a shame that the first or extra skill slot is so contended for, since you are right. However she’s rarely your optimal option to get it. Really hope she gets a satisfying buff in the future
Ayo, I noticed there is a very low thumping sound (maybe footsteps) in your audio at certain times like 44:28. you could apply a high pass filter in post to delete any of those low sounds from the audio. Isolating the mic better (having it on a suspension arm or putting the base of it on foam pads) would also help but would probably take more time/money to do.
Thank you for the advice. I barely did any audio adjustment for this video, since it is so long. My other ones are a little better in terms of quality, but I may actually do some adjustments in post in software from now on. It certainly would take more time, though.
with the way Talisman Sinclair's S2 got buffed, it now means you don't have to wait until turn 3 to use his skill 3 to inflict the 5 talismans (due to how talisman works, sinclair would get his 5 talismans with just 1 skill 2 usage instead of 1 skill 2 followed by skill 1 with combat passive triggered/doing 2 guard skills for 2 turns if resonance is impossible), albeit it comes at the cost of his S2 now costing 6 hp for every consequent usage. Which wouldn't be too bad if there were more support passives that allow healing other than chef ryoshu or uhhh.... 3 different Gregor IDs and I suppose Kong Lu, but if you're going rupture team, Greg and Kong lu are most definitely on the team, so the only healing method would be Chef ryoshu (and killing with impending day). Otherwise, he just starts slowly killing himself through talisman overdose
As a chef ryoshu enjoyer, I do think she deserves a spot on D rather than F The extra appetite translates to an extra 4-5 hp healed per wave, which isn't nothing in md2h. You 100% have better things to spend your precious thread on (like double capote nonsense), but it's been surprisingly nice at keeping my team just above stagger breakpoints so they don't get staggered when nclair decides to impending day their face.
Also 100% agree on Ndon. It brought her kit from nonfunctional to... actually really good with her s3 now being a DIY chains of others, able to more or less neutralize even bronze bull for a turn
I'll be honest, had no idea appetite applied to teammates, thought it only increased her own healing. That said...still think it's F tier, solely based on how expensive it is for so little. If she were a lower rarity, maybe she could go higher, but it is a pretty bad deal as is,. Of course, if you feel like uptying your favorites, more power to you, I have ignored my own advice on this list simply because I enjoy the ID.
I have everything of Don's except Lifetime Stew at Uptie 4 simply because I adore her. (I Have every don thing except lifetime stew.) I regret absolutely nothing.
This video was fire! i'm so glad someone else just recognized how good Liu gregor got on his uptie 4. This video was insanely well made, do you have any plans on making one on E.G.O.s as well? i'm curious if all those atk weight changes really mean that much
to rub some salt into the wound, kuro rodion's +2 poise and +2 protection on her counter skill only activates AFTER she gets hit, making the protection useless 99% of the time unless you use her to solo or something, and only giving her poise IF she gets hit at all. It should've been [combat start] instead of [on use].
Hi man, ill start with the ovbious part, great content, not only the tier list, but explained detailedly with a little of personal pov, great for ppl that seek this kind of info. Now what i wanted to tell, i think you are undervaluing what slosh ishmael can do, precisely focusing on what is not doing, let me explain: you are focusing the char through the winning clash option, and thats in my opinion where she dont shine. Actually, we have md2h, floor 4-5 where every boss move has the value of EGOs, unwinnable moves that in general will shred everything it touches (i remember bull oneshooting my shi don with the triple charge full hp), now there is where the agro control enters, i can make that attack (without need of the "new" aggro mechanic) to go to a tank instead, so ill make my chars live more, thats the utility of a tank in general. Now where i was trying to reach, i heard/see how many times you said things about 15-18 was a good clash number, that on a tank is rare iirk, and impossible to clash on a floor 5 boss (20+), in that point, only a few tanks can take action, and the only thing left is to defend or EGO, so whatever s1 s2 or s3 is irrelevant. Thats where slosh ish shines, passive+defend, EVERY turn ish is getting around 50 shield, to tank various hits of a non weak attack, and if its resistant, even is giving tremor (that doesnt matter) and rupture (that matters more, adding the thing of not needing to hit, so not wasting a rutpure count to enhance that quantity). You are focusing the uptie 3 kit that is trash, but what really matters is what she earns at uptie 4, high shield value per turn on nearly every boss hard hit is basically anulling one of the attack without rng (no sanity required) involved. I experienced this on various bosses, and i remember her taking 3 attacks (not 3 coins) of wood sealed stickman, losing only around 30% total hp, and tanking 4 consecutive turns of bull 3charge attack losing less than 10% total hp in process. I cant relate how different would be with other tank, but i feel it pretty incorrect to rate her on the last tier, specially where the passive triples his value with uptie 4. Tldr: where bosses can clash you (floor 4-5), you cant rely on attacks and need to ego or defend, and in defend part, effects like on clash lose can balance the entire char. (I encourage ESGOO to try her as this on uptie 4 to see what i really mean)
Imo, uptying EGOs is just better. Hope we'll see that tierlist one day. I won't comment on the quality of jokes as humour is subjective, but I will say that some jokes should be left out for clarity, the ones that might confuse the listener, i.e. the joke about 00 ryoshu ID being the best because of her counter. Anyway, great job!
in my opinion red sheet Sinclair has made my rupture team alot more fun and if your running with 7 heath and k corp hong with him helps him deal more damage from what i played with so far and he complemented 7 faust real well helping her an the rest of the team build faust even with few none rupter ids he still dose quite well and at high talisman he can do some pretty good damage and he can also reliable boost other units rupture dmg like k corp hong lu skill 2 and help 7 outis use her skill 3 coin power passive alot more often hope others try him out again to see how strong he can be in a rupture team
14:44 that is exactly what I thought too! As someond that loves using G Corp Outis this really felt like a slap in the face. Why on earth would a scream attack only hit one person?
I'd argue sloshmael does deserve to be higher because losing clashes deliberately really does make it good for applying debuffs and tanking. What better way to apply and preserve statuses then just not triggering them what so ever.
Dude I love you content and so glad your getting the attention you deserve, but real question here. Would you be doing or interested in doing this exact video topic for EGO’s? Just a question, keep up the great work dude!
That's good an all, but I just up tie all of them and see what combo niche I can make. Full on N corp ID if all up tie can be very devastating since some of buffs there attack, but when it comes to hard mirror runs... yea I don't see them lasting other lasting form 1-3 before changung them, still it allows you to get a good head start. Liu ID can be usefully if pair up and N Sinclair since burn damaged is really useful to literally burn thr oppent to death. But that assuming if you uptie all Liu Id. The best value is what Id combos you can do with especially if you Uptie all them to 4 and combo with there fellow Id and see how it clash with mirror hard run before going railway road.
I ran full Charge team of R Heath and Ishmael with W Corp squad. And OH BOY! If you get one or two right Items, Whole team got almost MAX Count Charge in 2-3 turns. Problem is activating Heath passive, but who cares. EVERYONE just get so much damage that enemy is dead next turn.
Im not going to lie i uptied ryoshu chef de cuisine and i love the heal she gives in hard mirror dunjon whit my team of favorit sinner but yeah its not that big of a change on normal gameplay
It was mentioned in the original script, I do address it I believe by saying ‘+ coin power is the only benefit you’d really get” which is true. BL Outis only gets the evade and coin power on her skill 1. Those benefits are not particularly note worthy since the rest of her kit is still lacking. Yes she is better with sunshower, but not substantially so
@@slyfurgospel2749 God, I hope that is a bug... that is so stupidly designed, why would they do it like that and then give her counter such a good effect?
On my alt I got blade yi sang when rolling his banner at the time. I was hoping for spicy but instead I got what I thought was hot garbage. Then uptime 4 came and he turned into one of my favorite units to use in the game. I also got blade Sinclair which I thought was gonna be good but really he's just dissapointing. Unless you have blade yi sang, kuro rodin and shi ish all at uptie 4 and on the same team he just doesn't work. Ok, zwei robin too I guess but you'd be losing out by that point. It's only a 50% chance for more count. Even with every possible ego gift for poise it's just not possible to get that steep requirement for blade Sinclair. Even if you do get the count it's just not guaranteed you'd get enough poise potency for him to even get the crit. He has some really cool stuff in his kit, but if it was on anyone else but him it would be good. His s1 has been improved enough, his s2 still lacks in the needed clash power and his s3 has too steep a requirement to fulfill, and you'll likely not get a crit anyways because you'll have focused on count to get potency. If his s2 got a similar composer buff to his s1 that would be fine. His passive is simply not enough in my opinion. Even with like three other poise dudes he just can't get enough count to trigger his s3 crit damage increase and again, that's if he even gets a crit. If his passive either worked off of whenever allies gain both count or potency or if he gained extra count at a 100% chance he'd be far improved. Maybe bundle in gaining potency in there too and he's feel just fine. This way you could run him with sunshower outis and he'd get count up the wazoo. I don't feel comfortable with him being in what... A tier? For a unit that still isn't the most functional he just doesn't belong there, even with his monumental buffs it's not quite enough. Maybe when a fairly long legs ego is introduced he can get some more love. Maybe it could couple poise and bleed in some fun way to make him run with other teams better.
Bearing in mind this is based on value, I do think BL Sinclair gains a lot from the uptie, and a lot of people thought it was an S tier buff in terms of value. I think top of A may have been a little high, but he went from the second worst 000 in the game, to usable due to the increases in coin power alone. The skill 1 being usable is already a massive increase to his viability, since it was so trash before, and so were his other skills. I see your point though, building to 10+ poise count just for RNG is annoying, and I say as much that's he too reliant on his skill 3. Hopefully he gets some more coin power on that skill 2, and maybe some more potency, then he can really be considered a 'good ID'.
@@therealESGOO I agree. Under the standpoint of what is gained from uptie 4 it is the best way to get value out of your resources buffing a unit from almost unusable to usable. He's codependent on other units in the wrong way, unlike the entirety of Ncorp which were designed to work together. For the few times you get that extra crit damage AND a crit you'd get it so much more often with Rodin as she has both great potency and good enough count gain. I've seen her pop 120s lots of times in MD.
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Since this video made before the recent zwei banner, what are zwei faust and greg place in this tierlist?
I finally have done enough research and thinking to answer this!
I won’t go too in depth, but Gregor is a weird case where his benefits aren’t huge when using him normally, but when you build to use him specifically, those bonuses can become huge, specifically the skill 3 coin power at 18+ Defense Level Ups. His only other tangible benefit is the Defense Skill increase, which is significant since he wants Aggro for his passive. Overall, Zwei Gregor probably lands in the High C Tier for having a good UT4, but being a little niche
Faust’s is just a solid numbers and value increase. Though her skill 2 is improved by quite a bit, allowing it to clash 2 higher than at UT3. The skill 3 rolling a 16 instead of 15 is always a nice buff. I’d say she’s probably bottom of B tier.
real chad mindset is uptying your favorite identity
All Faust and Outism id🥰
Base sinners are my favorite id...
All maxed outis identities
Uptied 4 rb gregor
Based individual.
I always use Chainsaw-man Gregor not because he's optimal but because my neurons activate when hearing his attacks sound effects.
His sound design is probably my favorite in the game outside of maybe NClair. Despite me using him so little, I will always recognize that his aesthetics are awesome.
Me whenever I hear the Ncorp Nail piercing noise.
Made this timestamp list mostly for myself to find things quickly later, but hopefully it helps others too.
F Tier: 2:10
Chef Ryoshu: 2:33
LCB Faust: 3:13
LCB Outis: 3:31
LCB Gregor: 3:48
LCB Hong Lu: 3:59
Sloshing Ishmael: 4:14
Chef Gregor: 5:17
D Tier: 5:45
Red Sheet Sinclair: 5:58
Blade Lineage Outis: 6:16
LCB Yi Sang: 6:46
LCB Sinclair: 7:04
Zwei Sinclair: 7:34
Kurokumo Hong Lu: 8:32
LCB Don Quixote: 8:55
Mariachi Jefe Sinclair: 9:23
7 Association Ryoshu: 9:50
C Tier: 10:20
LCB Heathcliff: 10:34
N Corp. Heathcliff: 11:03
One Who Shall Grip Sinclair: 11:45
L Corp. Faust: 12:16
Spicebush Yi Sang: 12:47
Shi Association Don Quixote: 13:10
N Corp. Rodion: 13:42
G Corp. Outis: 14:22
Liu Association Hong Lu: 14:49
N Corp. Meursault: 15:15
LCB Meursault: 15:54
Rosespanner Gregor: 16:12
Liu Meursault: 16:39
LCB Rodion: 17:13
B Tier: 17:50
LCCB Rodion: 18:12
Rosespanner Meursault: 19:14
7 Association Outis: 19:50
Rosespanner Rodion: 20:29
Molar Boatworks Sinclair: 21:15
7 Association Yi Sang: 21:58
Tingtang Hong Lu: 22:30
Kurokumo Ryoshu: 23:44
LCCB Ishmeal: 24:31
LCB Ryoshu: 25:19
N Corp. Don Quixote: 26:00
Rabbit Heathcliff: 26:58
Kurokumo Rodion: 28:16
Shi Association Heathcliff: 31:21
G Corp. Gregor: 32:20
The One Who Grips Faust: 33:25
A tier: 34:30
Sunshower Heathcliff: 34:53
Zwei Rodion: 35:43
Molar Boatworks Ishmael: 37:02
Cinq Association Don Quixote: 37:50
W Corp. Don Quixote: 38:27
Liu Association Gregor: 39:09
Shi Association Ishmael: 40:00
K Corp. Hong Lu: 40:54
Liu Association Ishmael: 41:41
W Corp. Faust: 42:37
Blade Lineage Sinclair: 44:00
S tier: 45:58
Rhino Meursault: 46:17
Blade Lineage Yi Sang: 47:56
W Corp. Meursault: 49:30
Reindeer Ishmael: 51:00
Thanks you so much!
Kinda new to the game. But uhh are W Corp Ryoshu is that new or am I really missed it out?
@@sansclone1874 Zwei Faust, Zwei Gregor, W Ryoshu, W Hong Lu, 7 Faust, 7 Heathcliff, Dieci Rodion, Regret Faust, and Hook Office Hong Lu; all of the IDs I just listed were added post-video. My understanding is that they are all fairly valuable to uptie, for what it is worth.
the visuals on these videos are amazing! subscribed
Thank you very much, they take a lot of time, especially since I'm so new to all of this. So I'm very happy to know people like them!
Know that the work you put into these videos does not go unappreciated.
9:50
i can still NEVER GET OVER THE FACT
THAT THIS WOMEN WHO WEILDS A SWORD
WITH THE SKILL CALLED SLASH
DEALS BLUNT DAMAGE FOR NO REASON
edge alignment go brr
Ow the edge
This is Binah's pillar all over again...
There's also thrust on lccb rodion hitting with a blunt but at least she's holding a stun stick in that instance
@@TewbBelrog yeah ive always justified that as more of a "taze" then a "stab"
I hope that completion of Canto V rewards the players by automatically uptying the Base IDs
What happens to people who already uptied them to 4 though?
@@Joe19219 Best case scenario, retroactive refund.
I mean, we already got refunded for bodysack bs.
One thing I love about Reindeer Ishmael's Uptie 4 is that she's no longer guaranteed to lose sanity when her passive procs. Gone are the untold amounts of times when I actively dreaded lining up 3 Gloom skills and losing Ish's hard-earned SP, leading to her sucking ass in rolling for clashes and damage - now she's much more STRAIGHTFORWARD to play, as all you need to do to keep your sanity is just... damage somebody with her, and her skills let her do so pretty easily.
All in all, she really is an example of an ID that is not just upgraded but outright FIXED by the Up4.
Aye, it was like in contact lens ads when Canto V dungeon temporarily uptied her. As soon as this video confirmed everything I uptied her and now I only need W Don Quixote for a full charge team.
bl yi sang aged like wine
Good tier list. The only thing I really disagree on is bringing Chef over 7 Ryoshu in MD2H; having 16 and 19 rolling skill instead of 18 and 15 is much better, in my opinion. I've once had her clash against Bull and she won. Chef *also* might have won, but such a thing is irrelevant.
7 Ryoshu supremacy 🙏
Also, on the G Gregor thing: the condition for coin power is not [on use] and is just tied to the skill, meaning once the rupture runs out due to the first hit, he stops getting the power. Meaning by himself, his best roll on S3 is 13 and not 16, and spending so much rupture count for mediocre damage instead of further stacking is not the greatest idea. Very sad.
Thanks for letting me know about G. Gregor, it slipped my mind once I saw the patch changing it from rupture count to rupture, but that is how the + coin power works, so it makes sense. Bearing that in mind, he would probably move to just below TingTang Hong Lu on the tier list. Thank you for watching!
i was going to respond with an argument but then I read 'Chef also might have won, but such a thing is irrelevant' and honestly, based.
I'm a chef enjoyer but I have only respect for this sort of unapologetic bias
the lcb meursault section was beautiful tbh. a piece of art
just had this hit my reccs! super cool, i love how detailed you get as well as putting little humorous bits here and there! kept my little adhd brain attentive. hope to see more from ya!
When you said Base Don joke, I said:
"Shi Don? Shid on What?" And fell off a chair in hysterical laughter.
Also, I have uptied blade lineage Outis to try to solo md2 normal (I don't have all buffs)
And I believe that R corp Ishmael is the best blunt dmg unit in this entire game at uptie 4. And, poetically, she was my first 3 star. I went to see how is she affected by uptie 4, saw it, thought and was like: "nah, she can't become that good, right?" I ever understood her passive wrong, that pm nerfed it by leaving +1 power at next turn and making her lose more sanity, but no. Her passive became useful for once! Yeah. We can try arguing who is better, Ninclair, Liu or R corp. But I at least believe that R corp is one of the best ids to get.
all the R corps are good (expect maybe meursault but that's debatable)
This was an amazing video; entertaining visuals, pristine audio quality
I'm a new player and this really helps me. I don't know how I didn't find this channel before
wow whoever did these captions must be really cool
This video made me realize how much of the gameplay I don't understand.
BUT, I feel like one of 3 people who figured out how to conserve Rabbit Heathcliff's bullets, which feels like arcane knowledge in this fandom lmao.
Thanks a bunch, you're really funny and this was insightful!
its called "evade" right
@@CinqAssocSouthSect5DonQuixote Yea
@@CinqAssocSouthSect5DonQuixote you gotta save a lot of ammo in multi-wave fights or big ass stall fights
or lose some coins in clashes since ammo coins are removed first (don't lose the entire clash on S1 and S2, and don't lose at all on S3, cuz ammo coins inflict 2 fragile
@@kamilslup7743 this comment section was made before canto 5 and walpurgisnacht yeah i agree his ammo is so much more fucked up to manage these days
as a firm believer in R Corp Ishmael
This video is really well made honestly and has alotta good info, made me actually do uptie 4 instead of just fully ignoring it and doing some cool team matchups in mirror dungeons, really nice and i can see myself rewatching this more to recall info
your videos are an amazing contribution to the community, limbus company youtube is now better thanks to you
Thank you very much, I would like to think the same, despite only having these three videos for now.
Quality content creator for limbus company is always welcome, thanks for existing 👍
My god, this video has given me so much insight on what I've been doing wrong lmao. God tier list video right here, nice.
Nice, 210 likes with 0 dislikes! I really enjoy your content compared to other limbus characters, as your analysis provides just as much insight (if not even more) than the other ones, and also is well edited! Many thanks for your videos.
My RR turn count is 83.
It could have been sub-80, but 83 was objectively the correct number because it is a kittyface. 83
adding edits as I go through:
-If you have Rodya Rhyme Shank, 6 Sinking Count is trivial if you t4 it, making her work well with Spicebrush. Kinda pricy shardwise tho.
I was gonna say on the spicy yi sang section "rhyme shank would like to have a word with you on getting 6 count 'reasonably'" also, doesn't boat ish apply quite a bit of count on her s3, alongside some on her s1? Don't forget her passive. Spicy yi sang also applies like 2 count next turn on s1. Reasonably you would use spicy s1, then boat s1 into s3 and by next turn the enemy will have I think enough by next turn? Maybe two spicy s1s
This video is nostalgic, cant believe its been 8 months
me hours ago:
"uptie 4 chef Ryoushu"
me when I see the very first sinner in the video:
):
she is good
she just gets basically nothing for UT4
he did describe it perfectly as a slap in the face
Full U4 zwei gang with U4 G Corp Outis, K Corp Hong Lu and either Chef Ryo or R Ishmael has been such a fun team comp not gonna lie.
Spicebush paired up with Fishmael leads to a really broken Sinking Deluge combo. I would still say his UT4 isn't a priority but still something to consider.
(yes this combo is so broken you can cheese My Form Empties in 2 turns)
man, you're funny.
immediately subscribes and looking forward for more of your content.
currently ingame N.Corp heathcliff's uptie 4 passive increases coin power +1, raising the ceiling on skill 1 by 2 and his skill 3 by 3 giving him a bit more of a buff
This helped me a lot deciding who to uptie 4, Thanks a lot!
slosh ishmael not having tipsy and moral boost as her kit gimmick is so sad
I love using an ID who loves to do absolutely nothing :) It really is a shame, her kit was lined up to be so much more interesting than what we got.
I honestly have no clue how to play this game but I did get R.corp Ishmael as my first 000 ID and the uptie is ridiculous
Also great editing! Love the content, even if some of it goes over my head cause I’m dumb
I don't know why but wide LCB Meursault will always make me cackle like an idiot.
Suncliff my beloved, carrying me and my buddy through Canto 6 Part 3 (pre-nerfs)
shard dispensery as effecient as possible will be real
>me as a new player just finding this video praying that the IDs i uptied arent shit
I'm currently running Mola Ish so uptie 4 of Spicebush Yisang is actually really good, her sinking stack is just too much
Thank you for the work
DAMN THE QUALITY!!
I used reindeer ishmael before the buffs. Eattin good, Snagharpoon passive is so fantastic making her the goat at clashing
just found this video after uptying almost all base identities
Please do EGO up tier 4 tier list
I love it when my Blade Lineage Yi Sang has 23 - 15 Poise.
I really wished they buffed the limit of the talisman to 9 like normal enemies and let talisman Sinclair keep his give 7 talismans
And if I have 79 on the railway, then I can argue? forehead
You telling me this after I finish uptying all my identities (especially chef Ryoshu)
Great list! Will you do an ego one?
Thanks! I could see myself doing an EGO one, though that's not what I am currently working on. If I were to do it, it would be incredibly rapid fire, since I believe there is not much to say about a lot of the uptie 4 EGO. Especially since most of them are just gaining attack weight, which there is not much to say about.
@@therealESGOO On the other hand, rime shank now inflicts the great depression itself. Literally Titanic's iceberg levels of sinking.
As an ishmael enjoyer, i am VERY happy with how shes being treated in this season (2 new 000 ids, and imo the best ut4 in the game).... We dont talk about sloshmael though...
YES TO THAT TIER WITH SEVEN ASSOCIATION RYOSHU LES GOO
Kurokumo Rodion feels like the poster girl for "IDs that need an extra skill slot to feel right".
Without the extra skill slot that comes either from being in gang war content, or underdeploying on focused battles, some kits just feel clunky and unreliable. Red Sheet Sinclair is another that stands out there, because it's extremely difficult to line up your talisman count in such a way that the Skill 3 can get that treasured "Give 5 talisman to enemy" number.
I uptied Rodion, though, because I do use her on a semi-regular basis, and I'd like the set to feel like it works properly.
It’s a shame that the first or extra skill slot is so contended for, since you are right. However she’s rarely your optimal option to get it. Really hope she gets a satisfying buff in the future
Love the editing ongod
The real right way to play KK Rodion, is to restart your Mirror Dungeon until you get a poise gift as the first one.
Base gregor s tier?
Base Gregor needs to have his own tier, no, his own tier list. With just him
one tier
gregor tier
10:05 alright, you got me, I'll subscribe
Ayo, I noticed there is a very low thumping sound (maybe footsteps) in your audio at certain times like 44:28. you could apply a high pass filter in post to delete any of those low sounds from the audio. Isolating the mic better (having it on a suspension arm or putting the base of it on foam pads) would also help but would probably take more time/money to do.
Thank you for the advice. I barely did any audio adjustment for this video, since it is so long. My other ones are a little better in terms of quality, but I may actually do some adjustments in post in software from now on. It certainly would take more time, though.
with the way Talisman Sinclair's S2 got buffed, it now means you don't have to wait until turn 3 to use his skill 3 to inflict the 5 talismans (due to how talisman works, sinclair would get his 5 talismans with just 1 skill 2 usage instead of 1 skill 2 followed by skill 1 with combat passive triggered/doing 2 guard skills for 2 turns if resonance is impossible), albeit it comes at the cost of his S2 now costing 6 hp for every consequent usage. Which wouldn't be too bad if there were more support passives that allow healing other than chef ryoshu or uhhh.... 3 different Gregor IDs and I suppose Kong Lu, but if you're going rupture team, Greg and Kong lu are most definitely on the team, so the only healing method would be Chef ryoshu (and killing with impending day). Otherwise, he just starts slowly killing himself through talisman overdose
As a chef ryoshu enjoyer, I do think she deserves a spot on D rather than F
The extra appetite translates to an extra 4-5 hp healed per wave, which isn't nothing in md2h. You 100% have better things to spend your precious thread on (like double capote nonsense), but it's been surprisingly nice at keeping my team just above stagger breakpoints so they don't get staggered when nclair decides to impending day their face.
Also 100% agree on Ndon. It brought her kit from nonfunctional to... actually really good with her s3 now being a DIY chains of others, able to more or less neutralize even bronze bull for a turn
I'll be honest, had no idea appetite applied to teammates, thought it only increased her own healing. That said...still think it's F tier, solely based on how expensive it is for so little. If she were a lower rarity, maybe she could go higher, but it is a pretty bad deal as is,. Of course, if you feel like uptying your favorites, more power to you, I have ignored my own advice on this list simply because I enjoy the ID.
I have everything of Don's except Lifetime Stew at Uptie 4 simply because I adore her. (I Have every don thing except lifetime stew.) I regret absolutely nothing.
12:52 "Unless you can realistically access 6+ sinking count"
Boat ishmael and rime shank: You called?
Yeaaah, at the time I wrote and recorded the Yi Sang script, Boat Ishmael was not a thing lmao. Obviously much easier to access that now.
Mate R Corp just keeps winning 😤😤😤
I feel like rosepanner rodion coin power buff should proc based on the number of charge she has instead of how many tremor count a enemy has
This video was fire! i'm so glad someone else just recognized how good Liu gregor got on his uptie 4. This video was insanely well made, do you have any plans on making one on E.G.O.s as well? i'm curious if all those atk weight changes really mean that much
he did
nice to find this video as a new player, sadly just after i uptie 4 all base ids 1st 😅
to rub some salt into the wound, kuro rodion's +2 poise and +2 protection on her counter skill only activates AFTER she gets hit, making the protection useless 99% of the time unless you use her to solo or something, and only giving her poise IF she gets hit at all. It should've been [combat start] instead of [on use].
Here's some more salt: she only gets +2 on her S1 instead of the 3 it's supposed to add.
15:53 i laughed a bit too much at this. You've most certainly got my subscription!
he told meursault to write that part of the video while being funny
Gotta love dem "outros" 😂
Hi man, ill start with the ovbious part, great content, not only the tier list, but explained detailedly with a little of personal pov, great for ppl that seek this kind of info. Now what i wanted to tell, i think you are undervaluing what slosh ishmael can do, precisely focusing on what is not doing, let me explain: you are focusing the char through the winning clash option, and thats in my opinion where she dont shine. Actually, we have md2h, floor 4-5 where every boss move has the value of EGOs, unwinnable moves that in general will shred everything it touches (i remember bull oneshooting my shi don with the triple charge full hp), now there is where the agro control enters, i can make that attack (without need of the "new" aggro mechanic) to go to a tank instead, so ill make my chars live more, thats the utility of a tank in general. Now where i was trying to reach, i heard/see how many times you said things about 15-18 was a good clash number, that on a tank is rare iirk, and impossible to clash on a floor 5 boss (20+), in that point, only a few tanks can take action, and the only thing left is to defend or EGO, so whatever s1 s2 or s3 is irrelevant. Thats where slosh ish shines, passive+defend, EVERY turn ish is getting around 50 shield, to tank various hits of a non weak attack, and if its resistant, even is giving tremor (that doesnt matter) and rupture (that matters more, adding the thing of not needing to hit, so not wasting a rutpure count to enhance that quantity). You are focusing the uptie 3 kit that is trash, but what really matters is what she earns at uptie 4, high shield value per turn on nearly every boss hard hit is basically anulling one of the attack without rng (no sanity required) involved. I experienced this on various bosses, and i remember her taking 3 attacks (not 3 coins) of wood sealed stickman, losing only around 30% total hp, and tanking 4 consecutive turns of bull 3charge attack losing less than 10% total hp in process. I cant relate how different would be with other tank, but i feel it pretty incorrect to rate her on the last tier, specially where the passive triples his value with uptie 4. Tldr: where bosses can clash you (floor 4-5), you cant rely on attacks and need to ego or defend, and in defend part, effects like on clash lose can balance the entire char. (I encourage ESGOO to try her as this on uptie 4 to see what i really mean)
It is interesting that it is different from the tier that Koreans think 😲
i saw red when the first one was cook ryoshu and i had to remember is about uptie 3 to 4 not the ID
Imo, uptying EGOs is just better. Hope we'll see that tierlist one day. I won't comment on the quality of jokes as humour is subjective, but I will say that some jokes should be left out for clarity, the ones that might confuse the listener, i.e. the joke about 00 ryoshu ID being the best because of her counter.
Anyway, great job!
in my opinion red sheet Sinclair has made my rupture team alot more fun and if your running with 7 heath and k corp hong with him helps him deal more damage from what i played with so far and he complemented 7 faust real well helping her an the rest of the team build faust even with few none rupter ids he still dose quite well and at high talisman he can do some pretty good damage and he can also reliable boost other units rupture dmg like k corp hong lu skill 2 and help 7 outis use her skill 3 coin power passive alot more often hope others try him out again to see how strong he can be in a rupture team
Uptie 4? i can't even Uptie 3!
If possible, can you make the same video but with egos? Informative video btw. Keep up the good work!
funny thing my first 000 idenity is Ishmael R corp
Me uptieing all the worst ID to teir 4 simply because they are cool: Heck yeah
Pequod First Mate Sweep?!
4:40 so uhhh what's your opinion on the new Zwei Ids?
PLEASE UPDATE THIS VIDEOOO
14:44 that is exactly what I thought too! As someond that loves using G Corp Outis this really felt like a slap in the face. Why on earth would a scream attack only hit one person?
Maybe everyone else are wearing ear plugs or smth😅
I'd argue sloshmael does deserve to be higher because losing clashes deliberately really does make it good for applying debuffs and tanking. What better way to apply and preserve statuses then just not triggering them what so ever.
Why use an ID that does no damage by purposely losing clashes, when you could bring an ID that wins clashs and does stuff instead?
Dude I love you content and so glad your getting the attention you deserve, but real question here. Would you be doing or interested in doing this exact video topic for EGO’s? Just a question, keep up the great work dude!
gregor has best uptie 1 art when gamer faust and wetsuit ishmael exist? not sure about that one but it is nice
based uptie analyzer
real
That's good an all, but I just up tie all of them and see what combo niche I can make. Full on N corp ID if all up tie can be very devastating since some of buffs there attack, but when it comes to hard mirror runs... yea I don't see them lasting other lasting form 1-3 before changung them, still it allows you to get a good head start.
Liu ID can be usefully if pair up and N Sinclair since burn damaged is really useful to literally burn thr oppent to death. But that assuming if you uptie all Liu Id.
The best value is what Id combos you can do with especially if you Uptie all them to 4 and combo with there fellow Id and see how it clash with mirror hard run before going railway road.
I ran full Charge team of R Heath and Ishmael with W Corp squad. And OH BOY!
If you get one or two right Items, Whole team got almost MAX Count Charge in 2-3 turns. Problem is activating Heath passive, but who cares. EVERYONE just get so much damage that enemy is dead next turn.
"R Heath now can use 8 QS"
Great, but I've yet to see him using at least 3 of them per one fight lmao
coming back here to get your opinion on the new 7 (faust and heath) and molar units (yi sang and outis) UT3 -> UT4, where would they be on this list?
Great video, will you go over the EGO uptie 4?
update this......esgooo es goooo
Im not going to lie i uptied ryoshu chef de cuisine and i love the heal she gives in hard mirror dunjon whit my team of favorit sinner but yeah its not that big of a change on normal gameplay
I wonder will there ever be a ego uptie tierlist?
N corp heath got 1 coin power instead of final power noe, instant s
tier
Noticed you mentioned ego for quite a few people, but didn't mention sunshower for blade lineage outis
It was mentioned in the original script, I do address it I believe by saying ‘+ coin power is the only benefit you’d really get” which is true. BL Outis only gets the evade and coin power on her skill 1. Those benefits are not particularly note worthy since the rest of her kit is still lacking. Yes she is better with sunshower, but not substantially so
By the way, anybody knows any website where I can look at all the IDs outside of Limbus Company?
Now that she's out, what do you think about Dieci Rodion's Uptie 4?
Uh, I think KK Rodia still gets the 2 poise count and then uses her s3. I think, I didn't uptie her yet
No KK rodion didn't get the + 2 poise count, i've just tried it. It sucks man
@@slyfurgospel2749 God, I hope that is a bug... that is so stupidly designed, why would they do it like that and then give her counter such a good effect?
this is so clean wth
will you also do the same for the E.G.Os?
On my alt I got blade yi sang when rolling his banner at the time. I was hoping for spicy but instead I got what I thought was hot garbage. Then uptime 4 came and he turned into one of my favorite units to use in the game. I also got blade Sinclair which I thought was gonna be good but really he's just dissapointing. Unless you have blade yi sang, kuro rodin and shi ish all at uptie 4 and on the same team he just doesn't work. Ok, zwei robin too I guess but you'd be losing out by that point. It's only a 50% chance for more count. Even with every possible ego gift for poise it's just not possible to get that steep requirement for blade Sinclair. Even if you do get the count it's just not guaranteed you'd get enough poise potency for him to even get the crit. He has some really cool stuff in his kit, but if it was on anyone else but him it would be good. His s1 has been improved enough, his s2 still lacks in the needed clash power and his s3 has too steep a requirement to fulfill, and you'll likely not get a crit anyways because you'll have focused on count to get potency. If his s2 got a similar composer buff to his s1 that would be fine. His passive is simply not enough in my opinion. Even with like three other poise dudes he just can't get enough count to trigger his s3 crit damage increase and again, that's if he even gets a crit. If his passive either worked off of whenever allies gain both count or potency or if he gained extra count at a 100% chance he'd be far improved. Maybe bundle in gaining potency in there too and he's feel just fine. This way you could run him with sunshower outis and he'd get count up the wazoo. I don't feel comfortable with him being in what... A tier? For a unit that still isn't the most functional he just doesn't belong there, even with his monumental buffs it's not quite enough. Maybe when a fairly long legs ego is introduced he can get some more love. Maybe it could couple poise and bleed in some fun way to make him run with other teams better.
Bearing in mind this is based on value, I do think BL Sinclair gains a lot from the uptie, and a lot of people thought it was an S tier buff in terms of value. I think top of A may have been a little high, but he went from the second worst 000 in the game, to usable due to the increases in coin power alone. The skill 1 being usable is already a massive increase to his viability, since it was so trash before, and so were his other skills. I see your point though, building to 10+ poise count just for RNG is annoying, and I say as much that's he too reliant on his skill 3. Hopefully he gets some more coin power on that skill 2, and maybe some more potency, then he can really be considered a 'good ID'.
@@therealESGOO I agree. Under the standpoint of what is gained from uptie 4 it is the best way to get value out of your resources buffing a unit from almost unusable to usable. He's codependent on other units in the wrong way, unlike the entirety of Ncorp which were designed to work together. For the few times you get that extra crit damage AND a crit you'd get it so much more often with Rodin as she has both great potency and good enough count gain. I've seen her pop 120s lots of times in MD.
Is it possible to get a list of the music used? Also very clear and informative, great video.
Just added every song in the video to the description alongside links. Glad you liked the video.