Advanced SUBWOOFER and bass OPTIMIZATION guide (SVS app and MultiEQ Editor)
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- In this video, I'll show you how you can use the SVS app to dial in better subwoofer response BEFORE running Audyssey and applying a house curve using Audyssey's MultiEQ Editor app. This is a more advanced guide and also goes alongside my previous video on optimizing your subwoofers and figuring out the best crossover (that video is linked below). The results you can achieve without a miniDSP 2X4 HD using this one-two punch app combo is pretty impressive. While it won't replace the miniDSP and it's feature set, it's a great option for those who don't want to spend the time and money that getting a miniDSP requires. Thanks for watching!
Watch my subwoofer optimization video here (includes level matching guide): • Better BASS WITHOUT mi...
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TIMESTAMPS
Intro - 00:00
Consider watching sub optimization video - 00:21
Things you'll need - 00:58
Not sponsored/subscribe & stuff - 01:30
REW and receiver setup - 02:02
Verifying levels - 05:01
Taking initial measurements - 05:58
Figuring out what to adjust - 07:37
EQ process/Left sub EQ and results - 10:08
Right sub EQ and results - 13:56
Measuring both subs and result of PEQ - 15:58
Running Audyssey and recommendations - 16:36
MultiEQ app settings and upload to receiver - 16:57
Verifying initial Audyssey correction (before house curve) - 19:19
Applying House Curve in MultiEQ editor app - 20:14
Verifying house curve in REW - 21:40
Adjusting overall sub volume if needed - 22:38
Set crossovers back to 80Hz - 23:49
My thoughts on the results - 24:35 - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
This is a great video. I noticed that you turned offf Audyssey multi xt32 , that you only changed the level of your subs to 0, and you didn’t the levels of Fronts. Why didn’t you change the level of your fronts to 0 as well?
I totally realized just now that I didn't mention to level match your speakers before doing this. That's why I didn't change them: I had already level matched all main speakers to 75dB, so the other speakers are good to go and act as the baseline level. Thanks for pointing this out.
@@HomeTheaterGamer shouldn’t your mains have been a 0db, so that you can run REW to match your main at 75db
The way I typically do it is to set my overall volume on my receiver to 0dB, then play pink noise in REW and adjust the individual trim levels of each channel to reach 75dB. This way I know that 0dB is reference level. I’ll actually be doing a video tutorial next week on this.
@@HomeTheaterGamer does it have to be 0db? I set my reference at 13db and didn't think much about it at the time. Now I realize my master volume was at 13db at the time
I CANT WAIT TILL MY ANTHEM MRX740 COMES IN SO I CAN EQ MY SVS pb2000 PRO WITH MY NEW PARADIGM SPEAKERS. THANKS FOR SHAREING THIS WILL HELP ALOT
I have never seen a channel use the editor app as you have. Really appreciate you doing this, i have SVS PB 1000x2, MINI DSP etc and DENON 3300W with the xt32. Your explanation of the editor app was very well done......THANKS!!!!
One of the best video about EQ I've come across. And I've seen a lot of them! You got the right balance of right to the point while still telling us why you do the things you do. Keep up the good work. I'm officially subbed to your channel 👍
Dude... you’re the best and I can’t wait to run through this!! Thanks so much for taking the time to make this video...
Thanks. Let me know how it turns out for you.
i had a problematic subwoofer cant do much with audyssey ended up going for dirac live,, found it better on my room,, thank you for your videos bro
Great, great video again !!!! Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹 Europe.
Excellent video - good quality on everything. Will get the Audyssey app as soon as I get to upgrade my old Denon reciever :D - finaly I'll get them calibrated right
Dude! Awesome video. 👍😀
And I solved my problem with the -63db volume (listening at night), it works great! Subwoofer turns on !!!!!
Thanks for the review will be purchasing the 1000 SVS im a few more weeks pro.
Dude your killing it, in glad you turned off mid-range compensation as that represents the crossover point in most speakers in which case speaker companies already compensate for that in their internal crossovers. Leaving that on essentially is like compensating twice. Again phenomenal job🤘👍👍🔥🔥🔥
Não Há nada melhor do que SVS viva a SVS
Hi mate these videos are awesome and very helpful! I do have a question however, I’ve seen your other video trying to improve the frequency response of the sub by tweaking sub distance and crossover settings in the avr. I’ve also seen some other videos on youtube about “gain hack” by setting the sub level higher (80db) before running audyssey. My question is, does the method in this video replaces the “hacks” or tweaks explained in your other video? Also, do I adjust the sub levels in the svs app before or after running Audyssey?? Thanks!
I got the MiniDSP for my birthday last week and your series on the setup was indispensable! I have a curve I’m happy with, but I am totally disappointed with the overall bass output reduction. Is running the bass several dBs hot an option or will that destroy the curve I worked so hard on? If increasing the level is an option is it better to do it through the receiver or the minidsp?
Thanks so much for being so commutes to the video/editing quality and the detailed instructions. I’ve shared the channel with all my friends interested in Home Theater.
Just subscribed. What are your thoughts on the dsp lf by Dayton? I used the iwoofer pro app for a auto calibration. I don’t have rew or a mic for measurements.
This is a great video, but if you have older SVS subs like i do they don't have the cool app, so for me it makes more sense to use a miniDSP 2x4 HD. But this is a great way to save $200 for the average person that has the newer pro series with the cool app.
I am in the process of obtaining a laptop from a buddy of mine, YAY! Getting a proper mic will be another issue. Question. When using two different model/brand of sub, does Audyssey EQ the lesser of the two? From what I’ve been told, this is the case. So, if you have a really good sub and a so-so sub, just use Subwoofer 1 as LFE and connect the other(s) using the speaker terminals from the L/R speakers.
“Reference” kills the highs, always use “Flat”. The Audyssey app is still not compatible with my x7200wa.
If you were to get (2) SVS SB-1000 Pro’s center wall between Prime towers or (1) SB-3000 that would be corner loaded, what would it be?
Great videos!
You could try using the Ratbuddyssey...it helps you set the house curve using your PC more accurately. Kinda hard setting the house curve using your fingers...specially if they're fat! :-)
Good video series. Looking for something that applies to the new Sony AVR I bought that does spatial audio etc but does nothing with the subwoofer outs it has...
On SVS app what gain are you at before starting level matching?
How'd you start off with a to flat curve in audessy though. Mine had a slope that it always wants to hold on to
Cool
Hey Brad, I have a question that has not been answered on the internet yet. I have been running my PS4 audio for years now through Yamaha hs8 studio monitors. It always sounds terrible compared to my computer where I can run external sound card like focusrite or M-Audio through USB and the computer will detect it. Is there a proper way to run PS5 audio through studio monitors like you can on a gaming PC? Thank you for any help you can give on this topic.
How does the equalization applied to the subwoofers affect the Group Delay?
It would be nice to be able to see the Group Delay without vs equalization.
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Awesome video and super timely - this is exactly what I was after! Q: At 17:57 Audyssey set your sub trims at -12db..doesn't that mean your sub levels were too high for it to calibrate properly (since -12 is the lowest trim it can detect)?
I actually mistakenly edited out a part where I talk about that. If we weren’t applying a house curve, then yes, you’d be correct. -12dB would mean the subs are way too loud for Audyssey to set the SPL correctly, and you would end up having to run Audyssey again after bringing their level down. However, because of the house curve, we need that extra output to apply the house curve without boosting anything.
We’re essentially tricking Audyssey. You’ll notice that after applying the house curve and bringing the sub trim level to -3dB, everything is where it should be.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Thanks for the explanation - that makes total sense. I've blocked out the rest of my day to follow this tutorial - can't wait to hear the end result!
Looks like I totally spaced and forgot that you can’t reference the same video using a card more than once (the little link that pops up in the upper right corner). Here’s the video where I go over level matching subs and using distance to time align your subs and mains together: th-cam.com/video/vHZSB7q1GIQ/w-d-xo.html.
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@@dharma67uk would you like me to get the door for you on your way out?
Is default-10 on the svs app mean 50% subwoofer volume level?
Surprised he never replied as im curious about this as well….
Great video. Just to check, you should always set the PEQ before running audyssey so it has less to do? And I presume when doing this I should have audyssey turned off on my avr?
You are 100% correct on both! And also make sure to set your crossover to the highest point in the receiver when adjusting the PEQ and house curve. That way you’re seeing the subwoofer when doing REW measurements.
Thanks for the reply. I have an sb-1000 pro coming tomorrow. Looking forward to having a play.
Why does SVS recommend you use PEQ after Audyssey is run?
Svs PB-2000 pro, so -14 is more bass then -8 ?? Also what is low filter? Keep it on or off ? I have the sub on auto. I want more bass for movies. We just did a auto tune with the Yamaha RX-6VA receiver. It sounds like the sub isn't even at 1/2 it's capability. What Hz should the sub be at 80hz ??
Can I apply that house curve in the Denon app without doing REW?
Can I use my Audyssey mic for this?
I noticed on this video you left the dBFS at -12 but in your level matching videos you said to have it at -30. Which one is it? .-.
So do you workflow for all this? Watching your videos but not sure the proper procedure to follow
As a general rule, get all the subwoofer stuff done FIRST before doing anything else with your speakers. My preferred workflow is making sure each sub is level matched first, then check and see if they are in phase and working well together, then focus on EQing them (if you have the option), then determine best crossover points with speakers. There are a few different ways to go about things in each step, so pick which one you think works best and makes the most sense to you is my recommendation.
I have a dumb question. And maybe you wont remember after this much time.... were the sub delays/distances set to 0?
Question! Would subwoofer measurement with a single sub even be worth it? This question is for people with a single sub who is scared to ask.
yes, just to ensure that your sub is not in a null, more effective than doing the sub crawl
thanks for the free MASSIVE frustration headache , half of this stuff is not relevant in 2023
The Audyssey MultEQ editor app and SVS app are both very much alive and still relevant in 2023, as are the methods explained in this video. Care to explain what you mean when you say it isn’t relevant in 2023, because I wholeheartedly disagree?