This is how I setup Audyssey MultEQ XT32 using the MultEQ App on my Denon X4500H. Step-by-step approach. Tips & Tricks. Step 1: Place your speakers optimally in your room and apply treatments. Step 2: Download the MultEQ App for iOS and Android for $19.99 Step 3: Plug in the setup mic and the cardboard stand Step 4: Follow the instructions on that Step 5: Do all the measurements. Don’t cut it short. Step 6: Double check results for obvious errors. Step 7: Decide whether you want to use Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume. Step 8: Save original measurement. Step 9: Make a copy of the original file and make changes to copies. Step 10: Set treble roll-off. Step 11: Turn off Midrange Compensation Step 12: Set a custom house curve aka target curve. Step 13: Limit the filter frequency range to about 500hz-700hz. Step 14: Set all speakers to “small”. Step 15: Set crossovers to 80hz or higher to start. Step 16: Set Audyssey to Reference, not Flat. Step 17: Turn off all extra sound processing “enhancements.” Step 18: Listen to familiar music and set bass and treble tone controls to your liking. Step 19: Turn off ECO mode. Step 20: Set 4 Quick Select profiles on your remote. Bonus: Enjoy your system! Enter to win the PSB M4U 8 Wireless Active Noise Cancelling Headphones: bit.ly/PSBM4U8Giveaway Shop for PSB Speakers on their website: bit.ly/PSBSpeakers Shop for PSB Speakers on Amazon: bit.ly/PSBSpeakersonAmazon Buy the Denon X4500H on Amazon: bit.ly/DenonX4500H Disclaimer: The Affiliate links above earn me a commission if you purchase using those links. This is at no additional cost to you.
Just a little addition: If you do activate DynEQ then make sure to adjust the levels on your Surrounds, Rears and Top Rears by about -2 to -3db each since DynEQ boosts them too much, at least if your main listening Volume is somewhere between -15 and -25db
So if you do the setup with the receiver, do you need to redo it all with the app? It doesn't seem to let you download the existing recording to the app...
Lol, my wife says that bonus tip is on point! Every single time we sit down for a movie she says, "One day. One day maybe we'll be able to sit and watch a movie without you ever having to adjust a setting or have you 'fix' something." Haha, she's so right. Even when I'm happy with how smooth things run, there's always SOMETHING I tweak in the first 5 minutes of watching. Whether it's the picture mode on the TV or the audio codec not being pushed to the receiver for some reason. Or maybe the LFE is too much or the dialogue isn't crystal clear. Lol, it's always something. Great video though! I've been waiting a year for someone to make a tutorial video on how to use the Audyssey app. Thank you for breaking everything down but in terms that we understand. Have a good one!!
Dude, after 4 years this video still kicks ass! I used all of these settings 2 years ago and haven't changed anything, really. There are only 2 things I found with the app that I improved. 1. Set your speaker volume levels by your own ear. Just take a picture of the screen with your phone before you start. I found movie tracks way too front heavy, don’t br afraid to increase your rears and rear heights 3 to 6db. Also, add a db or 2 to your subs. If your room setting has speakers close to you, turn them way down or if super far away, dont be afraid to increase volume. The mix that results covers your entire room equally, and you're lost in the sound field, which is what you want. 2. I measured the speakers myself with a tape measure and found I got more accurate sound. Auddessey was close. I have 2 Martin Logan subs, so I calibrated with their app as well. My Denon 4700 has a 2nd speaker preset I use for music, Auro 3D does an excellent job with music. Would have been lost using the app without this video. Thank you!
Man, I didn't know about this app until 2023. All I know is that Audyssey made my system sound terrible! I bought it, did a quick calibration and voila! a noticeable sound difference, especially with music. I will experiment with different curves to see what works best.
Hi Joe, today I have run a new Audyseey set for my Denon AVR 1611 pointing out the mic towards the speakers instead of towards the sealing. The result was totally different form the beginning. I have been using this AVR since 2013 and never gets totally satisfied with the results. Bass always was to boomy and now with this small change in the process the bass are more tight and precise. I have always thought about doing this way and as you mentioned this in your video it was bouncing on my head for a while until I tried it out. Thank you for your videos!!
Good video. A couple of notes: if using the MultEQ editor app, always set your AVR to "REFERENCE". "Flat" will ignore all the changes you made in the editor. Also, setting a speaker to "Large" will NOT use your subwoofer for music. The crossover is disabled.
So do you have a problem with your Denon flippin out every other day when you go to a different video input. I’m about to warranty this thing out I’m tired of it not working just because I went from the tv to an apple or to music for no reason. Then I have to cut it off to reset it then it works sometimes
Taz this is very weird ..Run audyssey app 20$ on marantz AV7705 when is finished measuring..flickering every 2 minutes Samsung Qled.. go to service repair,, 2 weeks ago ..works 1 hour .flick 10 minutes later..I don’t know if are tv or av7705 help...
Great video. Had Denon receivers in the 90s but since 2007 always had Yamaha. Just got the Denon x4800h so entering a learning curve with Audyssey. I use a minidsp for subwoofers but I may take it out and play with Audyssey for a while. Probably end up with the minidsp in the end but it's fun to waste hours tuning stuff👍😉
Great vid -- I've done the Audyssey calibration and it set my speakers all in the range of -6.0 or lower. I find myself having to crank the master volume on the amplifier much higher now to get the punch and presence I want. I just got a decibel meter, and plan on using it to make sure all my speaker volumes are equal (same db level using the meter). Here is my question: what would happen if I boosted all the speaker levels up to say -2.0 or even 0? Will it allow my speakers and amp to work harder and produce more sound, or will it also screw up my Audyssey-imposed room corrections and tweaks I've made using the MultEQ Editor app?
Great job. Very good balance between hitting the needed details and being too technical. Interesting that you suggest limiting the filters to 500-700hz. I see a lot of places that say limit it to the Schroder frequency of your room which is around 150-200. I’ll have to try playing with it to see what sounds best.
Another perfect timing!! My new AVR -S750H just arrived and will be setting it up in the next few days. I will be back to this video several times I am sure! Thanks Joe!!
“Off topic a little”. After i tune n tweek it. I go into “manual tune” and bump up everything back up to 80 dbs. After I exit that window. The sound drops back down to the tuned dbs. I have sr8012 Tuning parts and headaches are the same. Larry
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this awesome video Joe! Especially for people like me who are learning and setting up a 9.2.4 home theater for the first time! 👍
This was great Joe.Im trying to transfer these ideas over to my Yamaha 2080 receiver.In Yamaha they have YPAO volume,Adaptive DSP and Adaptive DRC that some reviewers insist should be on for movie watching. Im wondering if these are the same kinds of settings that you recommended be turned off.This only pertains to movie or tv watching since like yourself, I listen to music only in Pure direct.
I don't know how these tips translate over. Adaptive DRC sounds like Audyssey Dynamic EQ and YPAO Volume sounds like their version of Dynamic Volume. It's tough to say because their solutions might work better or worse than Audyssey. I can't speak on that. Adaptive DSP sounds like it varies the total amount of DSP based on volume. Kind of interesting.
I recently upgraded from a 2009 Denon to 2017 model, using the Multeq app is brilliant; especially being able to limit Audessey to only eqing the room under 400hz and creating your own curve.
Hi Joe Can you combine the audyssey settings with the Bass and Treble settings. Or can you only adjust Bass and Treble when audyssey is turned off? I like you move!
I have the 4500H. The tone controls are independent of your Audyssey settings: With Audyssey either ON or OFF, you can still tweak Bass & Treble +/- 6dB (or also "turn off tone controls" altogether) using the remote's OPTION button.
After watching this video,i decided to turn all audio compression and dynamic sound settings OFF.It was like magic.All of sudden my speakers came alive with more detail sound and i was only listening to internet radio @ 128 Kbps..I am about to fall out with the neighbour when i watch movie next. Marantz SR6007 Q Acousitic 3050 floorstanders Thank you joe
Thats interesting... i do the exact opposite. compressions on (dyn eq, dyn vol) and now my speakers playing some sound....thats strange. anyone knows why? thanks
@@jacobrosenberg9099 I think...and this my own unscientific opinion..turning off all that audio enhancements gives the amp room the breath..compression means suppression and in this case,limiting the audio to reach its level...some people do not even use built in calibration..applying 'smart' equalization isn't bad but not the best in all scenarios..🙂
11:28 Sound retriever on pioneer avr certainly degrades the sound by artificially boosting bass and treble, whereas Denon does it better with its compressed music enhancer IMHO.
How do we extend the microphone? Most high end AVR's that would get this calibration are installed in an equipment rack that can be over 100 feet away from the room to be tested.
I already have done an audyssey calibration before I got this app. Can I just use that calibration instead of having to run a new one with the app. I just purchased the app and it discovered my Denon, but doesn't show the calibration that I have previously done within the receiver.
Nice tutorial. Explains a lot of features in a practical manner. As usual, your descriptions are excellent, crisp, and brief w/o being too technical or getting off subject. Suggest that you leave the screen flashes up a bit longer, in my case I had to stop the video several times and go back to what you showed (I use YPAO and needed to "translate" from Audyssey).
I’m really struggling to figure out how to set up my 5.0 system. Using 4 x NHT C3 and 1 x NHT C LCR, but I keep finding conflicting info online as to whether to allow a full band crossover or not
Very nice video. Can you please advise me what settings should I choose to listen background sounds clearly (wind, water, birds i.e high frequency sounds) in movies. Sometimes background music suppress the background natural sounds. Your reply is highly appreciable. I have Marantz SR7013 receiver and mainly used for movies.
Joe, when you're calibrating using the editor, have you found a way to back out of a mic position, because of a burst of outside noise, and redo it? With my Denon AVR, if that happens I can cancel and redo it but with the app, I haven't found way to do it.
With your sectional right against the wall how did you do positions 7 and 8 in the measurements? They are supposed to be read behind the listening area.
Thank you for an understandable video. Have watched others that left my head spinning. You mentioned setting crossover to 80 for speakers. I'm curious about what to set the crossover for the sub at. I've seen everything from 80 to 150 but no one explains why
Glad it helped. 80hz is about the frequency where you cannot localize bass. It helps to make the bass seem as if it's coming from the speakers, not the sub.
Thanks. Just a note FYI: the Midrange Compensation has its origins in what is called The BBC Dip. I think it aims to push the soundstage back a bit, for example if your home setup is creating a ‘too-close’ soundstage, or sub-perfect recordings are too aggressive, or if you like classical music and the sound of the orchestra in your room is too close and not natural. Cheers
Great video! I've been messing with the MultEQ app a lot lately also with the Denon 4500 and my KEF R series (R3 and R2c). A couple of questions... If you're only EQing up to 500hz-700hz; does the High Frequency Roll Off option on the App even matter? I'm thinking that if you're not EQing past 500hz, then it shouldn't matter whether you select Option 1 or Option 2. I could be wrong though. In addition, do you have your Audyssey set to 'Reference' within the Denon for all of your inputs (music and movies?). I used to have it set to Reference for my movie input, and Flat for my music input, but you mentioned that Flat overrides what limit you set the EQ for in the app (500hz)? Is that right? So I'm guessing that I should just set it to Reference for all of my inputs (music and movies?) Thanks for your help!
I used to have it set like you said with Reference for movies and Flat for music, but after doing some measurements and seeing that flat just bypasses the limited filtering I set to 700hz, I just use reference for everything now. I figure it it's good for music, it should be good for movies too. You're right about what you think should happen with regards to roll off option 1 & 2, but if I'm remembering correctly, it still has an effect on the top end extension. You would expect that if you set a limit, that would mean don't allow any DSP correction at all past that point, but I think it only applies to not allowing the custom curve to affect anything past that point. I will have to test it later, but I think even leaving midrange compensation on will affect 2khz with the limit set. It might be a problem with their program logic, but maybe something I can talk to their engineers about.
@@joentell Actually I just found a good GoogleDoc at AVSForum... Mid Range Compensation is still affected if you have it turned on and even if you set a limit below that range... docs.google.com/file/d/1YH_eNHRCxKFCwXMddi28kzXqnUwYHfrD/edit?filetype=msword
"Joe N Tell" 2 questions the limit filter response to 500hz-700hz. Is it the same setting for all speakers or should there be a different setting for each speaker?
its the same for all speakers... the filter limit is you telling Audyessy only make corrections within this range and 500-700hz is basically the bass region/most problematic area and is what you want to be eq'd and "room corrected". Odds are your speakers are pretty good sounding without any room correction eq and were engineered to sound there best the way they are and since Audyessy isnt using a super high end and accurate mic and is measuring a ton of reflective sound, along with your speakers direct sound, it has a vary tough time of deciphering your speakers natural frequency response curve and without that information accurately being sourced, any eq adjustments Audyessy makes are gonna be essentially random/done so on false data. Most issues are gonna be in the 500hz region so let Audyessy do its best in that specific region where it can be most useful... doing the full band unfiltered Audyessy eq is likely to lead to more problems then it solves. The vid Joe mentioned from Audioholics goes through the flaws of room correction software indepth. its a long listen (i believe 2 parts if I recall) but its well worth the watch as it will help you understand the benefits and flaws of eq software... its not the magic fix all that some imagine it to be... especially if your not limiting the filter.
@@TysonHook-22- Do you need a pc or computer for this app ? I only have a mobile phone and I'm not very tech savvy. All I know is my q acoustics speakers sound terrible after I do the audyssey set up ( very thin , anemic, cheap) I'd like to try the app to see if I could get the nice rich audio back . ( I factory re set the denon avc-x3700h and my speakers sound wonderful, but somethings off with the subwoofers without denon calibration)
Great explanation of the app and how to use it. I can TOTALLY relate to the "fiddling" with the settings!! Lol I just bought a used Marantz 6012 so this guide is SUPER helpful to get the best sound out of it! Thanks!!
Hey thanks for that nugget of info! It's just odd they would assume that though no? On my old X4100W, there was no way to defeat that dip and I've never owned a speaker with a compression driver.
@@joentell yeah that is weird, I've seen that dip in Dolby Cinema processors. I'm tempted to buying a demon to replace my onkyo since onkyo uses accueq, and it sucks
Hey joe how do I change the quick select buttons? In the setup it wants me to write the new quick select, is that the right step or am I missing something?
Awsome awsome video joe. We need more videos like this to show how to use the adussey editor app. I been wanting to get it for my x4400h but for some reason my galaxy prime j3 is incompatible. Might have to get a tablet lol.
Thanks for the great video! I have the Denon AVR-X4700H and ran Audyssey using the remote. What was odd was that Audyssey set the crossover frequencies incorrectly (I think). For example, the mains (Polk L600) were set at 240Hz while the surrounds (Polk L100) were set at 40Hz. This seems backwards. Using the phone app can you manually set the crossovers first and then run the calibration program? In other words, will it complete the process without changing the manually set bass crossover frequencies? Thanks again!
Thank you for the video. Really useful. I have one question - you mention the option changing the home ‘curve’ and give the Harmon (not sure that’s spelt right) curve as an example. Could you please share a source of information on this which I can take a look at as it’s completely new to me. Thanks.
Hi Joe! Great video!! Have you found great loudness difference between turning on MultEQ and/or Dynamic volume against using manual Eq or pure direct? In my case I do have a Denon AVR1611, a 5.1 entry level unit from 2010, and the difference is such big that doing manual Eq or pure direct does not make sense at all. I have bought the unit second hand, so maybe there is something wrong with it. I would really appreciate your comments..also from other followers of this channel in order to find out more people with the same issue. Thanks
Pure direct is a 2ch stereo direct mode that cuts off the sub(s) and all other unused channels and various things within the receiver to give the purest most direct and uninterfered source playback... its essentially an audiophile music mode tends to be vary flat and dull imo MultiEQ: Reference or Flat should be on if you have done Audyessy setup and want its EQ corrections to be applied, many tend to prefer flat over reference but experiment and see what you like best for yourself. Dynamic EQ - tends to do more harm then good, most recommend to leave it off, it ruins the natural mix that the engineers created and applies EQ where it sees fit to give you a "cinematic home experience"... most find it negatively effects the bass and blows a bunch of the sounds out of proportion and as such is generally considered to be unpleasant... but if you like it, use it! Dynamic Volume: is extremely useful and many people run it on "light" for movie/tv playback it will make dialogue much cleaner and clearer to understand, it essentially raises the dialogue up to the front of the mix. for music playback you'll want this off though. Theres videos that discuss these things in further depth and online forums can be vary helpful with deciphering the various Audyessy settings... for ex. googling "Audyessy Dynamic EQ on or off forum" you'll get a ton of results of people discussing there experiences with Dynamic EQ and why they either love or hate it.
Great video. The only confusing part is the recommend filter frequencies. Audioholics recommended 200-300Hz for the curtain pull back. Curious if Joe and Tell has changed his settings for this or still recommends the 500-700Hz range?
The transition frequency is determined by the room size, the directivity of your speakers, and your listening position. You just have to experiment. I have ways to determine what the range is in your room, but that's beyond the scope of this video.
You mentioned Tone control. I noticed that using Tone control disables Audyssey equalization. It falls back to the settings from graphic equalization. Do you see the same behavior on your receiver?
Nice guide to the app,i was always thinking of buying it for my x3400 but was cautious whether its beneficial or not? Just wanted to know that the mobile app picks the test tone sounds frm mobile mic?Is it as accurate as the audyssey mike?
Maybe all this additional corrections and filters are the reason why my PS5 menu sounds are so harsh and compressed. I have to check if disabling everything will solve this issue.
Theoretically,. Could I use this app for multiple speaker configs? Say I've got a 5.2.4 layout using all 9 channels. But I want to watch a movie mixed in 7.1 Could I use the app to make a mode that turns my front heights off, and uses rear heights as back surrounds?
Fantastic vid, really helped me out. I was wondering though, I did and went to every step from this vid, but now I want to add more bass from my subs. What would you say is the best way to add more bass post calibrations?! I've heard that you should never touch the gain knob on the subs itself after room corrections. Since I rather not use Dynamic EQ, I need to significantly boost up the sub trim in the avr. But I also heard you shouldn't go in the +. But even at 0db, I still think it could use more bass. I know the best way is to find another place for the sub or add a sec cod sub, but both aren't achievable atm. So, what would you say is the best way to add more bass?! Thanks
Corner loading subs will give you more headroom. The best way would be to increase the bass in the editor app using a custom curve. Apply the curve to all of your speakers to keep the same tonality.
Would you agree the Audyssey should have an option to set up the speakers impendace before any other settings are done ? ... I use 6 ohm speakers, which are not set as a default on my AV.
Ummm....not necessarily. The impedance of a speaker fluctuates depending on frequency so that would be tough. More important is sensitivity. They do that for the most part by doing making sure all of the speakers play at the same volume at your listening position. All of these modern AVR's can handle 6 ohms with no issue.
@@joentell well, the AV I have can handle from 4 ohm up to 16 ohm, but my Denon is pre-set (as a default) for impedances 8 ohm and higher... for lower impedance I need to change this manully in another Menu. I found about this by reading the Manual for this speciffic model. This is why I though it might be a good idea to add this option into Audyssey, as part of standard speakers setup.
I think you'll be fine keeping it at 8ohms. Sometimes companies do odd things when they have switches for 4 ohms. I haven't tested it myself, but you can read up on it if you're interested.
Greetings from the UK Joe 🇬🇧 😃 great video! I’m just trying to sell my existing Denon AVR-X2200, then will be trying desperately to find an ex demo or clearance stock Denon AVR-X4500 receiver like yours, I could go with the newer 3600 or 3700, but I think I’d get more power and as good an amp if not better with the 4500👍🏻 I’m still a bit scared about setting it up as there’s so many settings, a bit daunting! Fingers crossed I can make it sound awesome 🤦♂️😆
Hi Joe, Great video!! I've read on Playstore that MultEQ App is not guarantee on all android phone. I have HTC M7 with android 5 (2015). Do you know if my phone is compatible? Thanks
Great video Joe! Why is sound from my center speaker so weak during loud scenes? It's like the music and sound effects overpower the dialogue. Any tips?
Is your center matched to your left and right main speakers? Maybe the movie is mixed that way? Which speakers? Maybe the calibration messed up level matching?
@@joentell yes, I believe everything is matched. I use Roth Audio speakers. Thing is, dialogue is very audible during "dialogue scenes" but completely overpowered during loud/action scenes. I tried turning some "enhancements" off and it is a little better. Only when I adjust the dB of the centre speaker to +7 or more, is it OK, but I don't like that, it doesn't feel natural. Any ideas? Thanks!
Hi, I live in Ghana, Africa, I have the Denon avr x1500h, with Hsu HB1 Mk2 bookshelf speakers and stf2 sub, for HT and 2 channel stereo. Sound on Denon is not crisp, not clear, kind of muddy and laidback. My previous receiver Onkyo TX NR414 had no room correction software but sounded superb especially with music. The Onkyo developed the no sound HDMI issues so got the Denon. Unfortunately the app cannot be purchased in my country and my brother in the states will send me a tablet with app installed. Question is will the the app improve sound quality, (emphasis on sound quality).
Hi Joe Thx for the video. Just a question on initial set up. What do you set your receiver’s volume at before starting the Audyssey process? Stay safe!
Hi Joe! Very good video, just one question about the quick setting buttons. How do you change the input to just one source? It would be nice to set different "profiles" for one source. Im currently running x3700h. Thanks in advance!
I would remove / limit any front speaker down to 50-80Hz (the THX reference is 80Hz). Why? Sound below 80Hz needs a lot of punch and energy, and pushes any amp/speaker to it limits. Without these frequencies you have all power left for the rest of the spectrum. It will result in a far bigger dynamic range, since you go easier on speaker AND amp. Subs usually can handle - sub - frequnecies better since they "just" need to amp low frequencies. Just my 2 cent.
@@joentell hmm that's strange. I bought it in my android tab and then also downloaded it on my android phone and it's showing "buy" option. Even though I already bought it through my tab. Update: it worked now. For some reason it didn't work right away when I initially got the app. Thanks brother 🙏
Is there a way to send the the addesey file to the AVR without using the app? I have been able to do the meassurements with the app, but have been unable to have the app send it to the AVR. Thanks for any sugestion!
@@joentell thanks, hope one day you maybe get to review it a yammy 3080 against the new denon x4700h instead of the 3700 or maybe the marantz 6015. Cheers joe awesome channel
Useful video, thanks. I found, on my X1400H, that restorer on low gives the best with 128kbps sound streams (MP3 or internet radios). Higher setting might be useful for lower bitrates, but I won't listen to those, and I found with higher settings it makes the bass unnatural and the treble harsh. For the ECO mode Denon and Marantz recommends auto setting. That will give the best from both worlds. Unfortunately on the X4500H (if I remember right) ppl experienced distorsion in the midrange with ECO on. When just set to on, I felt the sound of the X1400H strange, but with auto it sounds as good as it gets. The ECO trigger is around volume 45, which isn't that loud on speakers with average senitivity. So if you reach that volume setting with ECO auto, the AVR turns it off and you can use the full power of the amps. With auto it's only the matter of how well you tolerate the clicks of the solenoid turning on and off the ECO mode. :)
Hi sir, Having problem controlling my OPPO using 4500’s remote. Had used 5digits code found on the internet to no avail. Any lead that might help,the rest of devices I easily got them even Apple TV Ty
Hey Joe love the channel I have a 7.2.4 setup with external amplifiers with a pioneer elite lx503 receiver thinking about getting a denon avr-x4500 would it be a good upgrade from the pioneer
Joe, I have a Denon X4200, which the the last model before the Audyssey App. What can I do within the X4200 to decrease the artificial sound since I can't go into the app like the newer models. Powering a 5.1 Martin Logan/SVS set-up with Parasound Amp for front L and R. Audyssey got distance and levels spot on. I have turned off eco and Dynamic Volume. All speakers small with 80-100hz crossovers. I play with Dynamic EQ on and off but on does make system sound more processed. I would imagine without the app I am very limited. Did you have any success achieving natural sound stage for movies with your old Denon, before you got the new one with the app. I use my set-up for mostly TV and movies.
There's not much you can do in that case as there's no option for that. Maybe you can use Audyssey to set distance and levels, but DSP your subwoofer only. Use a UMIK-1 bit.ly/UMIK-1CalibratedMic (when it's back in stock,) REW to get your measurements for the sub, and a MiniDSP bit.ly/MiniDSP to apply the DSP correction.
I ran Audessy on the app. But when I check the results on my Denon 3600 using the remote. The results are still the old ones I ran with the remote. Which audessy calibration is running???
I run the App with my Marantz NR1710 Receiver. Nie I'm asking myself, why I end up with negative db levels for all (!) speakers. E.g. main -6db, Surround- 8db and Sub -12db. Can I just ask 6db to all speakers, or does this affect the Audyssey correction?
So why don't we want the frequency response in all speakers to match in home audio? If we set audyssey to only adjust the EQ up to a certain frequency, 500-700hz, won't the audible frequency response above that frequency be different between, front, center, surround, etc..?
Joe I just bought the Denon S750h. Great receiver first time Denon buyer. Anyway my question is, I only have a 5.0 setup. My sub broke and looking to get a new one. Anyway when I run the calibration it sets my mains to large of course since I don’t have a sub and my mains are book self speakers. So what do I do just keep the fronts set to large? If so, should I keep the crossover to whatever it tells it? Or should I raise the crossover higher on all speakers? I basically don’t want a huge base response in my front speakers. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
@@joentell Thanks Joe good stuff. Last question. My crossovers are as follows per Audyssey. Now my center channel when playing a movie the male voices are alittle bassy. Should I raise the center crossover? Or would Lowering the bass in the Tone option work? Thanks man I really appreciate the help👍 All-110hz Front-180hz Center-40hz Surrounds-60hz
@@elvisp2684 I would recommend tone being set to 0 for treble and bass until you get it mostly sounding good. If you want a bit more help, please consider becoming a patron. Http://patreon.com/joentell
Joe N Tell today I buy a Marantz NR 1509 model ,is this amp. compatible with Bose speakers AM-10 (5.1),also want to know this amp model work as set up with audyssey.
It's tricky because I've found that the app applies all custom eq to the Reference curve only. If you want to remove the midrange compensation, you need to use the app. I am also not sure if the flat target means flat in the listening position because that won't sound great. If it means the speaker target response nearfield is flat, that might be ok. Typically, you want a downward sloping in-room response, meaning if you had some perfectly flat speakers, and you played them in a room, the response in a typical room would be downard sloping. Sorry if I'm not explaining it clearly. My next video should clarify a bit more.
@@joentell Here is what I found on AVSForum from an Audyssey rep. If I adjust the MultEQ Filter Frequency Range below the MRC frequencies will MRC still be applied? Everything done in the curve editor and filter frequency range only applies to the reference target curve. Flat is not affected. Flat is always flat, with exception that if you enable MRC, it will have MRC. When using the MultEQ app is MRC on when I select the Flat or Reference curve? Turning MRC ON/OFF affects BOTH Flat and Reference. If I customize the EQ curve will it affect both Flat and Reference? No. It will only alter the Reference Curve.
This is how I setup Audyssey MultEQ XT32 using the MultEQ App on my Denon X4500H. Step-by-step approach. Tips & Tricks.
Step 1: Place your speakers optimally in your room and apply treatments.
Step 2: Download the MultEQ App for iOS and Android for $19.99
Step 3: Plug in the setup mic and the cardboard stand
Step 4: Follow the instructions on that
Step 5: Do all the measurements. Don’t cut it short.
Step 6: Double check results for obvious errors.
Step 7: Decide whether you want to use Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume.
Step 8: Save original measurement.
Step 9: Make a copy of the original file and make changes to copies.
Step 10: Set treble roll-off.
Step 11: Turn off Midrange Compensation
Step 12: Set a custom house curve aka target curve.
Step 13: Limit the filter frequency range to about 500hz-700hz.
Step 14: Set all speakers to “small”.
Step 15: Set crossovers to 80hz or higher to start.
Step 16: Set Audyssey to Reference, not Flat.
Step 17: Turn off all extra sound processing “enhancements.”
Step 18: Listen to familiar music and set bass and treble tone controls to your liking.
Step 19: Turn off ECO mode.
Step 20: Set 4 Quick Select profiles on your remote.
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Does Yamaha have an equivalent?
I answered that in another comment. Some of the tips are specific to Audyssey and the MultEQ Editor App.
Joe N Tell well done and explain video.
Have you ever try doing it al manual without Audyssey.?
Just a little addition:
If you do activate DynEQ then make sure to adjust the levels on your Surrounds, Rears and Top Rears by about -2 to -3db each since DynEQ boosts them too much, at least if your main listening Volume is somewhere between -15 and -25db
So if you do the setup with the receiver, do you need to redo it all with the app? It doesn't seem to let you download the existing recording to the app...
Lol, my wife says that bonus tip is on point!
Every single time we sit down for a movie she says, "One day. One day maybe we'll be able to sit and watch a movie without you ever having to adjust a setting or have you 'fix' something."
Haha, she's so right. Even when I'm happy with how smooth things run, there's always SOMETHING I tweak in the first 5 minutes of watching. Whether it's the picture mode on the TV or the audio codec not being pushed to the receiver for some reason. Or maybe the LFE is too much or the dialogue isn't crystal clear. Lol, it's always something.
Great video though! I've been waiting a year for someone to make a tutorial video on how to use the Audyssey app. Thank you for breaking everything down but in terms that we understand. Have a good one!!
LMAO! I'm with you. We should do an AA type of group meeting for former "Audyssey Adjusters"
Bro, same!!! I’m always obsessing over my center channel😂😂
Dude, after 4 years this video still kicks ass! I used all of these settings 2 years ago and haven't changed anything, really. There are only 2 things I found with the app that I improved.
1. Set your speaker volume levels by your own ear. Just take a picture of the screen with your phone before you start. I found movie tracks way too front heavy, don’t br afraid to increase your rears and rear heights 3 to 6db. Also, add a db or 2 to your subs. If your room setting has speakers close to you, turn them way down or if super far away, dont be afraid to increase volume. The mix that results covers your entire room equally, and you're lost in the sound field, which is what you want.
2. I measured the speakers myself with a tape measure and found I got more accurate sound. Auddessey was close.
I have 2 Martin Logan subs, so I calibrated with their app as well. My Denon 4700 has a 2nd speaker preset I use for music, Auro 3D does an excellent job with music.
Would have been lost using the app without this video. Thank you!
I needed this in my life Joe. I downloaded and paid the $20 for the app a year ago and had no idea how to use it. Thank you kind sir.
👊😎
Man, I didn't know about this app until 2023. All I know is that Audyssey made my system sound terrible! I bought it, did a quick calibration and voila! a noticeable sound difference, especially with music. I will experiment with different curves to see what works best.
Before buying the app I would like to know how it connects to the amp. This part is totally missing from the video.
Best of several videos I've viewed on the subject. Packs in a lot of information, yet concise and clear. Thanks very much.
Dynamic EQ on for sure. No questions in my humble opinion.
Great video Joe.
Thanks. I'm happier to see your comment than Mr Beast's! 😂
Joe N Tell haha right
Youthman/La Scala speakers in the comments, no calibration is neede!. lol
@@joentell Wait the legendary Mr Beast commented? woah
@@BenjiGator23 no fake account LOL
Hi Joe, today I have run a new Audyseey set for my Denon AVR 1611 pointing out the mic towards the speakers instead of towards the sealing. The result was totally different form the beginning. I have been using this AVR since 2013 and never gets totally satisfied with the results. Bass always was to boomy and now with this small change in the process the bass are more tight and precise. I have always thought about doing this way and as you mentioned this in your video it was bouncing on my head for a while until I tried it out. Thank you for your videos!!
Good video. A couple of notes: if using the MultEQ editor app, always set your AVR to "REFERENCE". "Flat" will ignore all the changes you made in the editor. Also, setting a speaker to "Large" will NOT use your subwoofer for music. The crossover is disabled.
What if all i did was set a curtain at 500hz and removed midrange compensation? Will setting to flat be fine then?
@@UnitedRedDevil13 no, the changes are only applied to the Reference curve. There won't be a difference anyway if you cut it off at 500 Hz.
Did not know this. Thanks!
Does this go for all other receivers as well? like Avr-X1800h
whats the difference between using the app and the AVR?
So do you have a problem with your Denon flippin out every other day when you go to a different video input. I’m about to warranty this thing out I’m tired of it not working just because I went from the tv to an apple or to music for no reason. Then I have to cut it off to reset it then it works sometimes
Never had that issue on any Denon or Marantz I've used. Which model do you have and have you done the updates?
What issue were you noticing?
Joe N Tell 4500h
Taz this is very weird ..Run audyssey app 20$ on marantz AV7705 when is finished measuring..flickering every 2 minutes Samsung Qled.. go to service repair,, 2 weeks ago ..works 1 hour .flick 10 minutes later..I don’t know if are tv or av7705 help...
Taz any idea?
Great video. Had Denon receivers in the 90s but since 2007 always had Yamaha.
Just got the Denon x4800h so entering a learning curve with Audyssey.
I use a minidsp for subwoofers but I may take it out and play with Audyssey for a while.
Probably end up with the minidsp in the end but it's fun to waste hours tuning stuff👍😉
Great vid -- I've done the Audyssey calibration and it set my speakers all in the range of -6.0 or lower. I find myself having to crank the master volume on the amplifier much higher now to get the punch and presence I want. I just got a decibel meter, and plan on using it to make sure all my speaker volumes are equal (same db level using the meter). Here is my question: what would happen if I boosted all the speaker levels up to say -2.0 or even 0? Will it allow my speakers and amp to work harder and produce more sound, or will it also screw up my Audyssey-imposed room corrections and tweaks I've made using the MultEQ Editor app?
Why not turn up master volume to what you normally listen then re run be calibration?
Are you guys limiting the frequency filter just for the mains or for all speakers??
Great job. Very good balance between hitting the needed details and being too technical. Interesting that you suggest limiting the filters to 500-700hz. I see a lot of places that say limit it to the Schroder frequency of your room which is around 150-200. I’ll have to try playing with it to see what sounds best.
Nice video. Just bought the app. I have a question, if you cut after 500 hz, do you need to cut the mid range fonction ?
Can you run the correction without the app and just the on on screen display or control panel?
You can, but it's more limited. You can't turn off midrange compensation, change the high frequency roll-off, or create your own target curves.
Another perfect timing!! My new AVR -S750H just arrived and will be setting it up in the next few days. I will be back to this video several times I am sure! Thanks Joe!!
Whoooo!!!
Will this work with denon s970h? I know this video is a bit older
“Off topic a little”. After i tune n tweek it.
I go into “manual tune” and bump up everything back up to 80 dbs.
After I exit that window. The sound drops back down to the tuned dbs.
I have sr8012 Tuning parts and headaches are the same.
Larry
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this awesome video Joe!
Especially for people like me who are learning and setting up a 9.2.4 home theater for the first time! 👍
This was great Joe.Im trying to transfer these ideas over to my Yamaha 2080 receiver.In Yamaha they have YPAO volume,Adaptive DSP and Adaptive DRC that some reviewers insist should be on for movie watching. Im wondering if these are the same kinds of settings that you recommended be turned off.This only pertains to movie or tv watching since like yourself, I listen to music only in Pure direct.
I don't know how these tips translate over. Adaptive DRC sounds like Audyssey Dynamic EQ and YPAO Volume sounds like their version of Dynamic Volume. It's tough to say because their solutions might work better or worse than Audyssey. I can't speak on that. Adaptive DSP sounds like it varies the total amount of DSP based on volume. Kind of interesting.
I recently upgraded from a 2009 Denon to 2017 model, using the Multeq app is brilliant; especially being able to limit Audessey to only eqing the room under 400hz and creating your own curve.
Hi Joe
Can you combine the audyssey settings with the Bass and Treble settings. Or can you only adjust Bass and Treble when audyssey is turned off?
I like you move!
I have the 4500H. The tone controls are independent of your Audyssey settings: With Audyssey either ON or OFF, you can still tweak Bass & Treble +/- 6dB (or also "turn off tone controls" altogether) using the remote's OPTION button.
Correct. Sorry I missed this question.
After watching this video,i decided to turn all audio compression and dynamic sound settings OFF.It was like magic.All of sudden my speakers came alive with more detail sound and i was only listening to internet radio @ 128 Kbps..I am about to fall out with the neighbour when i watch movie next.
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Thank you joe
Thats interesting... i do the exact opposite. compressions on (dyn eq, dyn vol) and now my speakers playing some sound....thats strange. anyone knows why? thanks
@@jacobrosenberg9099 I think...and this my own unscientific opinion..turning off all that audio enhancements gives the amp room the breath..compression means suppression and in this case,limiting the audio to reach its level...some people do not even use built in calibration..applying 'smart' equalization isn't bad but not the best in all scenarios..🙂
Hey thank you! This info helped a lot. I turned off that high frequency dip and also cut off the filters past 500hz. It immediately sounded better.
Awesome!
Would you set the subwoofer filter all the way to the lowest instead of 500 like the speakers?
11:28 Sound retriever on pioneer avr certainly degrades the sound by artificially boosting bass and treble, whereas Denon does it better with its compressed music enhancer IMHO.
How do we extend the microphone? Most high end AVR's that would get this calibration are installed in an equipment rack that can be over 100 feet away from the room to be tested.
Hope are you suppose to actually adjust the tone the second you switch out of setup you lose the ability to adjust?
I already have done an audyssey calibration before I got this app. Can I just use that calibration instead of having to run a new one with the app. I just purchased the app and it discovered my Denon, but doesn't show the calibration that I have previously done within the receiver.
Nice tutorial. Explains a lot of features in a practical manner. As usual, your descriptions are excellent, crisp, and brief w/o being too technical or getting off subject. Suggest that you leave the screen flashes up a bit longer, in my case I had to stop the video several times and go back to what you showed (I use YPAO and needed to "translate" from Audyssey).
I’m really struggling to figure out how to set up my 5.0 system. Using 4 x NHT C3 and 1 x NHT C LCR, but I keep finding conflicting info online as to whether to allow a full band crossover or not
I purchased the app 2 weeks ago my system sounds a lot better thank you 🙏
Hey, superb tutorial! But, how do I make these copies?
Very nice video. Can you please advise me what settings should I choose to listen background sounds clearly (wind, water, birds i.e high frequency sounds) in movies. Sometimes background music suppress the background natural sounds. Your reply is highly appreciable.
I have Marantz SR7013 receiver and mainly used for movies.
Joe, when you're calibrating using the editor, have you found a way to back out of a mic position, because of a burst of outside noise, and redo it? With my Denon AVR, if that happens I can cancel and redo it but with the app, I haven't found way to do it.
I haven't used the app in a long time. Sorry.
With your sectional right against the wall how did you do positions 7 and 8 in the measurements? They are supposed to be read behind the listening area.
Thank you for an understandable video. Have watched others that left my head spinning. You mentioned setting crossover to 80 for speakers. I'm curious about what to set the crossover for the sub at. I've seen everything from 80 to 150 but no one explains why
Glad it helped. 80hz is about the frequency where you cannot localize bass. It helps to make the bass seem as if it's coming from the speakers, not the sub.
Thanks. Just a note FYI: the Midrange Compensation has its origins in what is called The BBC Dip. I think it aims to push the soundstage back a bit, for example if your home setup is creating a ‘too-close’ soundstage, or sub-perfect recordings are too aggressive, or if you like classical music and the sound of the orchestra in your room is too close and not natural. Cheers
Great video! I've been messing with the MultEQ app a lot lately also with the Denon 4500 and my KEF R series (R3 and R2c). A couple of questions... If you're only EQing up to 500hz-700hz; does the High Frequency Roll Off option on the App even matter? I'm thinking that if you're not EQing past 500hz, then it shouldn't matter whether you select Option 1 or Option 2. I could be wrong though. In addition, do you have your Audyssey set to 'Reference' within the Denon for all of your inputs (music and movies?). I used to have it set to Reference for my movie input, and Flat for my music input, but you mentioned that Flat overrides what limit you set the EQ for in the app (500hz)? Is that right? So I'm guessing that I should just set it to Reference for all of my inputs (music and movies?) Thanks for your help!
I used to have it set like you said with Reference for movies and Flat for music, but after doing some measurements and seeing that flat just bypasses the limited filtering I set to 700hz, I just use reference for everything now. I figure it it's good for music, it should be good for movies too.
You're right about what you think should happen with regards to roll off option 1 & 2, but if I'm remembering correctly, it still has an effect on the top end extension. You would expect that if you set a limit, that would mean don't allow any DSP correction at all past that point, but I think it only applies to not allowing the custom curve to affect anything past that point.
I will have to test it later, but I think even leaving midrange compensation on will affect 2khz with the limit set. It might be a problem with their program logic, but maybe something I can talk to their engineers about.
@@joentell Thanks for the response!
@@joentell Actually I just found a good GoogleDoc at AVSForum... Mid Range Compensation is still affected if you have it turned on and even if you set a limit below that range...
docs.google.com/file/d/1YH_eNHRCxKFCwXMddi28kzXqnUwYHfrD/edit?filetype=msword
"Joe N Tell" 2 questions the limit filter response to 500hz-700hz. Is it the same setting for all speakers or should there be a different setting for each speaker?
its the same for all speakers... the filter limit is you telling Audyessy only make corrections within this range and 500-700hz is basically the bass region/most problematic area and is what you want to be eq'd and "room corrected".
Odds are your speakers are pretty good sounding without any room correction eq and were engineered to sound there best the way they are and since Audyessy isnt using a super high end and accurate mic and is measuring a ton of reflective sound, along with your speakers direct sound, it has a vary tough time of deciphering your speakers natural frequency response curve and without that information accurately being sourced, any eq adjustments Audyessy makes are gonna be essentially random/done so on false data.
Most issues are gonna be in the 500hz region so let Audyessy do its best in that specific region where it can be most useful... doing the full band unfiltered Audyessy eq is likely to lead to more problems then it solves.
The vid Joe mentioned from Audioholics goes through the flaws of room correction software indepth. its a long listen (i believe 2 parts if I recall) but its well worth the watch as it will help you understand the benefits and flaws of eq software... its not the magic fix all that some imagine it to be... especially if your not limiting the filter.
@@TysonHook-22-
Do you need a pc or computer for this app ?
I only have a mobile phone and I'm not very tech savvy.
All I know is my q acoustics speakers sound terrible after I do the audyssey set up ( very thin , anemic, cheap) I'd like to try the app to see if I could get the nice rich audio back .
( I factory re set the denon avc-x3700h and my speakers sound wonderful, but somethings off with the subwoofers without denon calibration)
Great explanation of the app and how to use it. I can TOTALLY relate to the "fiddling" with the settings!! Lol I just bought a used Marantz 6012 so this guide is SUPER helpful to get the best sound out of it! Thanks!!
That dip is for compression drivers depending on how the crossover is set, some compression drivers get rough in that area
Hey thanks for that nugget of info! It's just odd they would assume that though no? On my old X4100W, there was no way to defeat that dip and I've never owned a speaker with a compression driver.
@@joentell yeah that is weird, I've seen that dip in Dolby Cinema processors. I'm tempted to buying a demon to replace my onkyo since onkyo uses accueq, and it sucks
What's compression drivers?
Hey joe how do I change the quick select buttons? In the setup it wants me to write the new quick select, is that the right step or am I missing something?
Do you have to limit the filter response for each speaker?
I do
Do you set the Subwoofer to bypass?
Which year did the Denon receivers get compatibility with this new app? Is Denon X1300H compatible? Denon S740H? Looking at buying a used receiver.
Awsome awsome video joe. We need more videos like this to show how to use the adussey editor app. I been wanting to get it for my x4400h but for some reason my galaxy prime j3 is incompatible. Might have to get a tablet lol.
You might have an old device that should work.
Thanks for the great video! I have the Denon AVR-X4700H and ran Audyssey using the remote. What was odd was that Audyssey set the crossover frequencies incorrectly (I think). For example, the mains (Polk L600) were set at 240Hz while the surrounds (Polk L100) were set at 40Hz. This seems backwards. Using the phone app can you manually set the crossovers first and then run the calibration program? In other words, will it complete the process without changing the manually set bass crossover frequencies? Thanks again!
Did you switch to audyssey on TV from the app in the middle of the video?
Thank you for the video. Really useful.
I have one question - you mention the option changing the home ‘curve’ and give the Harmon (not sure that’s spelt right) curve as an example. Could you please share a source of information on this which I can take a look at as it’s completely new to me. Thanks.
Hi Joe! Great video!! Have you found great loudness difference between turning on MultEQ and/or Dynamic volume against using manual Eq or pure direct? In my case I do have a Denon AVR1611, a 5.1 entry level unit from 2010, and the difference is such big that doing manual Eq or pure direct does not make sense at all. I have bought the unit second hand, so maybe there is something wrong with it. I would really appreciate your comments..also from other followers of this channel in order to find out more people with the same issue. Thanks
Pure direct is a 2ch stereo direct mode that cuts off the sub(s) and all other unused channels and various things within the receiver to give the purest most direct and uninterfered source playback... its essentially an audiophile music mode tends to be vary flat and dull imo
MultiEQ: Reference or Flat should be on if you have done Audyessy setup and want its EQ corrections to be applied, many tend to prefer flat over reference but experiment and see what you like best for yourself.
Dynamic EQ - tends to do more harm then good, most recommend to leave it off, it ruins the natural mix that the engineers created and applies EQ where it sees fit to give you a "cinematic home experience"... most find it negatively effects the bass and blows a bunch of the sounds out of proportion and as such is generally considered to be unpleasant... but if you like it, use it!
Dynamic Volume: is extremely useful and many people run it on "light" for movie/tv playback it will make dialogue much cleaner and clearer to understand, it essentially raises the dialogue up to the front of the mix. for music playback you'll want this off though.
Theres videos that discuss these things in further depth and online forums can be vary helpful with deciphering the various Audyessy settings... for ex. googling "Audyessy Dynamic EQ on or off forum" you'll get a ton of results of people discussing there experiences with Dynamic EQ and why they either love or hate it.
@joe n tell i notice when i change the multieq range to 500hz my room correction graph change too..at 2k hz its flat but at 500hz its shows diiferent.
Great video. The only confusing part is the recommend filter frequencies. Audioholics recommended 200-300Hz for the curtain pull back. Curious if Joe and Tell has changed his settings for this or still recommends the 500-700Hz range?
The transition frequency is determined by the room size, the directivity of your speakers, and your listening position. You just have to experiment. I have ways to determine what the range is in your room, but that's beyond the scope of this video.
You mentioned Tone control. I noticed that using Tone control disables Audyssey equalization. It falls back to the settings from graphic equalization. Do you see the same behavior on your receiver?
I wonder why this is not compatible with Denon 2 channel amps we all need to correct the room?
Do I need to calibrate my AV receiver if I use only 2.0 system?
On the multeq filter should I leave the sub at 250hz? I dropped all speakers to 500hz haven't tested it yet just got it
Yes correct. It won't actually go that high in most cases, but you can leave it at 250hz. Also, let me know how it sounds before and after.
@@joentell ok I'll let you know this weekend ty
Nice guide to the app,i was always thinking of buying it for my x3400 but was cautious whether its beneficial or not? Just wanted to know that the mobile app picks the test tone sounds frm mobile mic?Is it as accurate as the audyssey mike?
The mobile app still uses the mic that comes with your AVR
Maybe all this additional corrections and filters are the reason why my PS5 menu sounds are so harsh and compressed. I have to check if disabling everything will solve this issue.
Awesome video Joe,thank you for all your hard work.I learned alot and will redue must of my settings
Theoretically,. Could I use this app for multiple speaker configs?
Say I've got a 5.2.4 layout using all 9 channels.
But I want to watch a movie mixed in 7.1
Could I use the app to make a mode that turns my front heights off, and uses rear heights as back surrounds?
Great video. Question. What do you listen to when you calibrate using this software? I’m so inclined to buy this ASAP. Pls reply. Thanks!
Fantastic vid, really helped me out. I was wondering though, I did and went to every step from this vid, but now I want to add more bass from my subs. What would you say is the best way to add more bass post calibrations?!
I've heard that you should never touch the gain knob on the subs itself after room corrections. Since I rather not use Dynamic EQ, I need to significantly boost up the sub trim in the avr. But I also heard you shouldn't go in the +. But even at 0db, I still think it could use more bass. I know the best way is to find another place for the sub or add a sec cod sub, but both aren't achievable atm.
So, what would you say is the best way to add more bass?!
Thanks
Corner loading subs will give you more headroom. The best way would be to increase the bass in the editor app using a custom curve. Apply the curve to all of your speakers to keep the same tonality.
Would you agree the Audyssey should have an option to set up the speakers impendace before any other settings are done ? ... I use 6 ohm speakers, which are not set as a default on my AV.
Ummm....not necessarily. The impedance of a speaker fluctuates depending on frequency so that would be tough. More important is sensitivity. They do that for the most part by doing making sure all of the speakers play at the same volume at your listening position. All of these modern AVR's can handle 6 ohms with no issue.
@@joentell well, the AV I have can handle from 4 ohm up to 16 ohm, but my Denon is pre-set (as a default) for impedances 8 ohm and higher... for lower impedance I need to change this manully in another Menu. I found about this by reading the Manual for this speciffic model. This is why I though it might be a good idea to add this option into Audyssey, as part of standard speakers setup.
I think you'll be fine keeping it at 8ohms. Sometimes companies do odd things when they have switches for 4 ohms. I haven't tested it myself, but you can read up on it if you're interested.
Greetings from the UK Joe 🇬🇧 😃 great video! I’m just trying to sell my existing Denon AVR-X2200, then will be trying desperately to find an ex demo or clearance stock Denon AVR-X4500 receiver like yours, I could go with the newer 3600 or 3700, but I think I’d get more power and as good an amp if not better with the 4500👍🏻 I’m still a bit scared about setting it up as there’s so many settings, a bit daunting! Fingers crossed I can make it sound awesome 🤦♂️😆
Is it still recommended to set to Reference instead of Flat? X3800h.
Nether are exceptionally good target curves in my opinion, but reference is probably more suitable for most people.
Hi Joe, Great video!!
I've read on Playstore that MultEQ App is not guarantee on all android phone. I have HTC M7 with android 5 (2015). Do you know if my phone is compatible?
Thanks
Need to set up the quick selects
Sound better after calibrated with the app. With midrange compensation sound better on my speakers
So Joe, should i skip xt32 and just buy the app?? Is there a way to keep my x4200w sending atmos and use a new avr just for 8k??
Great video Joe! Why is sound from my center speaker so weak during loud scenes? It's like the music and sound effects overpower the dialogue. Any tips?
Is your center matched to your left and right main speakers? Maybe the movie is mixed that way? Which speakers? Maybe the calibration messed up level matching?
@@joentell yes, I believe everything is matched. I use Roth Audio speakers. Thing is, dialogue is very audible during "dialogue scenes" but completely overpowered during loud/action scenes. I tried turning some "enhancements" off and it is a little better. Only when I adjust the dB of the centre speaker to +7 or more, is it OK, but I don't like that, it doesn't feel natural. Any ideas? Thanks!
I turn almost all the enhancements off. It could just be the movie. Lots of movies are mixed that way.
@@joentell can you name the enhancements? Thanks!
@@juresaiyan I specified in the video. I don't remember off the top of my head
Hi, I live in Ghana, Africa, I have the Denon avr x1500h, with Hsu HB1 Mk2 bookshelf speakers and stf2 sub, for HT and 2 channel stereo. Sound on Denon is not crisp, not clear, kind of muddy and laidback. My previous receiver Onkyo TX NR414 had no room correction software but sounded superb especially with music. The Onkyo developed the no sound HDMI issues so got the Denon. Unfortunately the app cannot be purchased in my country and my brother in the states will send me a tablet with app installed. Question is will the the app improve sound quality, (emphasis on sound quality).
Hi! My mains are polk s60 and i have set them to Small with a crossover set at 40Hz. Should i turn theem back to Large?
hay if you don't get some of this stuff how do you think I feel.
Just setup my reciver with this and oh man now i have a real movie theater in my setup
Hi Joe
Thx for the video.
Just a question on initial set up.
What do you set your receiver’s volume at before starting the Audyssey process?
Stay safe!
It sets it to certain volume while it runs those test tones so it doesn't matter.
Hi Joe! Very good video, just one question about the quick setting buttons. How do you change the input to just one source? It would be nice to set different "profiles" for one source. Im currently running x3700h. Thanks in advance!
You have 4 presets in total, not per input. If you set preset one to blu-ray, it will switch to blu-ray input when you press preset 1.
@@joentell Thanks buddy!
I would remove / limit any front speaker down to 50-80Hz (the THX reference is 80Hz). Why? Sound below 80Hz needs a lot of punch and energy, and pushes any amp/speaker to it limits. Without these frequencies you have all power left for the rest of the spectrum. It will result in a far bigger dynamic range, since you go easier on speaker AND amp. Subs usually can handle - sub - frequnecies better since they "just" need to amp low frequencies. Just my 2 cent.
Agree
Once you set a custom curve, does that become the “reference” profile on the receiver? If not how would I activate my custom curve?
Yes it replaces the default curve for Reference
@@joentell Thanks man! Great videos btw
Can you use this on a pioneer amp ???..... I don't think the calibration pioneer uses is very good ???
Only on Denon or Marantz
Hi! Which LPF do you use to your subwoofer? Do you set as the same XO frequency as the front speakers (80 Hz)? Tks
Always 120hz for the sub otherwise your cutting off part of its frequency response, you want your sub to be full range/full dynamics always.
So if I buy the app will it be available across all my devices or I have to buy it again?
If it's all the same OS and logged into the same account, yes. You can't buy it on iOS and then use it on Android and vice versa.
@@joentell hmm that's strange. I bought it in my android tab and then also downloaded it on my android phone and it's showing "buy" option. Even though I already bought it through my tab.
Update: it worked now. For some reason it didn't work right away when I initially got the app. Thanks brother 🙏
Is there a way to send the the addesey file to the AVR without using the app? I have been able to do the meassurements with the app, but have been unable to have the app send it to the AVR. Thanks for any sugestion!
Try connecting with an Ethernet cable if you are using WiFi. That's the only way mine works. You can disconnect it after it's uploaded.
what is your thought between the denon x3700h or the yamaha a3080.? overall music and movies
I've never tried a Yamaha AVR.
@@joentell thanks, hope one day you maybe get to review it a yammy 3080 against the new denon x4700h instead of the 3700 or maybe the marantz 6015. Cheers joe awesome channel
Useful video, thanks.
I found, on my X1400H, that restorer on low gives the best with 128kbps sound streams (MP3 or internet radios). Higher setting might be useful for lower bitrates, but I won't listen to those, and I found with higher settings it makes the bass unnatural and the treble harsh.
For the ECO mode Denon and Marantz recommends auto setting. That will give the best from both worlds. Unfortunately on the X4500H (if I remember right) ppl experienced distorsion in the midrange with ECO on. When just set to on, I felt the sound of the X1400H strange, but with auto it sounds as good as it gets.
The ECO trigger is around volume 45, which isn't that loud on speakers with average senitivity. So if you reach that volume setting with ECO auto, the AVR turns it off and you can use the full power of the amps.
With auto it's only the matter of how well you tolerate the clicks of the solenoid turning on and off the ECO mode. :)
Hi sir,
Having problem controlling my OPPO using 4500’s remote.
Had used 5digits code found on the internet to no avail.
Any lead that might help,the rest of devices I easily got them even Apple TV
Ty
Who is it you keep looking to your right?
Very informative video.
Hey Joe love the channel I have a 7.2.4 setup with external amplifiers with a pioneer elite lx503 receiver thinking about getting a denon avr-x4500 would it be a good upgrade from the pioneer
Joe, I have a Denon X4200, which the the last model before the Audyssey App. What can I do within the X4200 to decrease the artificial sound since I can't go into the app like the newer models. Powering a 5.1 Martin Logan/SVS set-up with Parasound Amp for front L and R. Audyssey got distance and levels spot on. I have turned off eco and Dynamic Volume. All speakers small with 80-100hz crossovers. I play with Dynamic EQ on and off but on does make system sound more processed. I would imagine without the app I am very limited. Did you have any success achieving natural sound stage for movies with your old Denon, before you got the new one with the app. I use my set-up for mostly TV and movies.
There's not much you can do in that case as there's no option for that. Maybe you can use Audyssey to set distance and levels, but DSP your subwoofer only. Use a UMIK-1 bit.ly/UMIK-1CalibratedMic (when it's back in stock,) REW to get your measurements for the sub, and a MiniDSP bit.ly/MiniDSP to apply the DSP correction.
Have you compared, in 2 channel, this Denon to the Yamahe A-s501?
Not a thorough test no. They serve different purposes for me. I would like to know how they differ in sound though.
I ran Audessy on the app. But when I check the results on my Denon 3600 using the remote. The results are still the old ones I ran with the remote. Which audessy calibration is running???
I run the App with my Marantz NR1710 Receiver. Nie I'm asking myself, why I end up with negative db levels for all (!) speakers. E.g. main -6db, Surround- 8db and Sub -12db. Can I just ask 6db to all speakers, or does this affect the Audyssey correction?
So why don't we want the frequency response in all speakers to match in home audio? If we set audyssey to only adjust the EQ up to a certain frequency, 500-700hz, won't the audible frequency response above that frequency be different between, front, center, surround, etc..?
Joe I just bought the Denon S750h. Great receiver first time Denon buyer. Anyway my question is, I only have a 5.0 setup. My sub broke and looking to get a new one. Anyway when I run the calibration it sets my mains to large of course since I don’t have a sub and my mains are book self speakers. So what do I do just keep the fronts set to large? If so, should I keep the crossover to whatever it tells it? Or should I raise the crossover higher on all speakers? I basically don’t want a huge base response in my front speakers. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
I would run my main LCR speakers large unless I had a sub
@@joentell Ok thanks👍 So your saying also set my center large as well? Cause the calibration set my center to small. Should I change any crossovers?
You can keep the center at small if it detected them as small. Without a sub, there's no reason to limit the main (biggest speakers you have)
@@joentell Thanks Joe good stuff. Last question. My crossovers are as follows per Audyssey. Now my center channel when playing a movie the male voices are alittle bassy. Should I raise the center crossover? Or would
Lowering the bass in the Tone option work? Thanks man I really appreciate the help👍
All-110hz
Front-180hz
Center-40hz
Surrounds-60hz
@@elvisp2684 I would recommend tone being set to 0 for treble and bass until you get it mostly sounding good.
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Audyssey also using with Marantz NR 1509 ,is this for comparable for Bose AM-10. ,plz reply
I'm not sure what you're asking exactly
Joe N Tell today I buy a Marantz NR 1509 model ,is this amp. compatible with Bose speakers AM-10 (5.1),also want to know this amp model work as set up with audyssey.
The app never had me adjust my sub’s volume. Do you know how I would get to that?
It has always been the first step in the calibration process. Even if you do it without the app. Do you have a Denon or Marantz?
I have a Denon AVR-S750H. Going through without the app, it just says to put the volume knob on the sub at 12 o'clock.
That's odd. I remember it doing it on my old Denon S720W if I'm not mistaken. Everything is updated?
@@joentell Yup. Just checked and no firmware updates were available.
I was probably mistaken then. Thanks for checking!
So if you don't set a target curve in the app, just set Audyssey to flat in the receiver?
It's tricky because I've found that the app applies all custom eq to the Reference curve only. If you want to remove the midrange compensation, you need to use the app. I am also not sure if the flat target means flat in the listening position because that won't sound great. If it means the speaker target response nearfield is flat, that might be ok. Typically, you want a downward sloping in-room response, meaning if you had some perfectly flat speakers, and you played them in a room, the response in a typical room would be downard sloping. Sorry if I'm not explaining it clearly. My next video should clarify a bit more.
@@joentell Here is what I found on AVSForum from an Audyssey rep.
If I adjust the MultEQ Filter Frequency Range below the MRC frequencies will MRC still be applied?
Everything done in the curve editor and filter frequency range only applies to the reference target curve. Flat is not affected.
Flat is always flat, with exception that if you enable MRC, it will have MRC.
When using the MultEQ app is MRC on when I select the Flat or Reference curve?
Turning MRC ON/OFF affects BOTH Flat and Reference.
If I customize the EQ curve will it affect both Flat and Reference?
No. It will only alter the Reference Curve.
Exactly what I found as well! Thank you for making it clear and putting it in clear terms.