LeBron Fan Reacts To “The Best Larry Bird vs Michael Jordan Story Ever Told”
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- LeBron Fan Reacts To “The Best Larry Bird vs Michael Jordan Story Ever Told”
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Like this comment if Bird is better than Jordan
I won't go that far, but there are some areas Bird is better in. But Bird probably helped stoke Jordan's competitive fire and upped his level of play. I also believe that one of the reasons Bird is ONE OF the GOATS is because he makes his entire team better. I'm not sure if Michael Jordan can say the same and it actually does hurt seeing Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan feuding behind the scenes nowadays.
You need a NBA education SMH
Knowl bird is better than lebum tho
😂😂😂😂😂
Bird better team player Jordan the best 1v1 player
Jordan became the greatest over time...but Bird's ability to use the whole team was unmatched.
That’s what makes him the greatest winner… MJ greatest scorer or 1v1 guy different skillset.
"Jordan over time" Larry became the greatest his first year in the NBA
Plus for those who don't know🤔(femitøødripp) Larry has way more game than any player dead or alive. If you keep watching, Larry's credentials keep stacking up. I'm sorry, but knowing what I know, Bron got nothing on Larry. That doesn't take away Bron being great. Just not in the same league as Larry.
Larry Legend Bird is still the GOAT and the played the game as a team not a ball not individual
@@edwardbrito4010 how tf is bird the greastest winner when jordan has more rings mvps dpoys finals mvps scoring titles finals mvps 1st team defense and a higher ppg 🤡 u make no sense 😂😂😂😂
@@JET1970 Larry legend played with 6 hofers on his team at 1 time stop it 😂😂😂😂
I am old and I am from Boston. I watched all of the Boston Celtics games when Larry Bird played. I don’t have the words to explain how awesome it was and how happy I am that I got to experience that in my lifetime. It was so awesome and so perfect that I have not been able to watch basketball since Bird retired. That era was special. These young guys think differently about basketball. They seem to be all about statistics. I don’t remember caring about stats back in the 1980’s. It was about watching amazing basketball. I’m talking edge of your seat, adrenaline pumping, heart thumping, feeling like my life depended on Bird pulling out another buzzer beating win night after night. Then being so excited we would go outside and play basketball until it was too dark to see. What a time to be alive. I wish it could have lasted forever. I’ve tried to watch basketball every once in a while. The games are boring compared to the 1980’s. I’m sorry but it’s true. Those 1980’s teams went to war on the court. Those legends from the 1980’s never quit on their teams. They played every second until the game ending buzzer. Even the highlights from the 1980’s games were more exciting than the highlights of today’s games.
They will sadly never understand…!!!!🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀
Don't forget about "real" rivalries. Today's players are too buddy, buddy. Some players back then, still hate each other til this very, day.😂
We would be parked in front of the TV yelling and enjoying every second of each game. I can't imagine how thrilling it was in person. So awesome you got to be there. Just, WOW.
The Biggest Facts, and I wholeheartedly agree with this statement…!!!!💯🍀
My life in a nutshell. I was the same way, but I was from Ohio and I remember that almost every weekend I'd be able to watch a Boston Celtics game's and I would do the same thing after the game was over. Go outside and imitate Larry Bird trying to be able to shoot like the Larry Legend. And if not for Bill Laimbeer and his dirty play and sticking his foot under Robert Parrish foot and sprained his ankle in those two series. Before playing The Fakers. Larry Bird would have 5 Championships instead of 3. I really believe that for a Fact. And that Ball 🏀 went out of bounds off the Fakers not Kevin McHale. Terrible call. I don't care about them kids are more interested in trying to prove that Labron James is better than Michael Jordan 😂. Larry Joe Bird was better than BOTH PERIOD. I'm with you and I won't watch the NBA PLAYERS TODAY who are standing around the 3 point line 🤣 JOKE
The reason people my age put Bird over Bron is because Bird always delivered at the end of the game. He was never afraid to take the last shot and no matter how much pain he was in he would push it aside and deliver.
I am not condemming today's players that try to load manage but Boston knew Larry would win the game or half kill himself trying.
I don't remember his shot ever being blocked. The fade away jumper was gold!
@@rg20322his moves were gold. Even if you knew it, he would move in a way to the spot.
As a Bron fan you will not like my response. I don't have Bron in my top 5 for 2 reasons. 1. He never put a bad team put it on his back and made the team great. He team hoped from great team to great team and recruited great players to his team and is still below 500 in the finals. MJ the greatest 1V1 player Bird the greatest team player. I'm saying this as a Bird fan and I watched his entire career
Can't put Lebron ahead of Jordan if you have Jordan ahead of Bird...
Bird is the best SF this league has seen
his bronsexuality and jordan hate evolved during pride month damn
Larry was amazing, he’s still my favorite SF ever. Larry is probably the smartest player I’ve ever seen still til this day
His game was definitely different
I read that the three previous years, prior to the mvp years, Bird came in second three years straight
Yup
And the big difference between them is Michael was only worried how he did where as Larry it was for the team.
The Scottie Pippen argument is the worst argument one can have against MJ. Every star needs help to win I dont get whats so crazy bout that 😂 Bron needed help so does MJ. Aint nobody beating the 85 Bucks, 86, 87 Celtics or 88 Pistons with Orlando Woolridge or Charles Oakley as ur #2. If u were to tell 80s sports fans that MJ shoulda won those series they would assumed u did four lines of coke right before telling them that. Ofc he needed Scottie, thats not diminishing at all, jus like ppl shouldnt hold it against Bron that he needed Kyrie, Wade and Bosh 🤷🏽♂️
So we still talking about MJ's help from Pippen( the only All STAR - teammate Jordan ever had) but not about Dwyane Wayde, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving and AD who helped Lebron. Ok now i get it....
Yea people still don't get it when Jordan got swept is because he was basically alone. Larry had lot of HOF in his team. So did LeBron etc. 63 points of 131 points...says enough about his team mates.
@@sentokigames151
In Larry Bird's rookie year (1979-1980), with a team with drug problems and with no McHale, Parrish, DJ, he led the Celtics from a 29 game winning season the year before to a 61 game winning season. The following year with Bird at the helm, the Celtics won the title. Larry Bird knew how to get the whole team involved in the game and he made his teammates better players. He rarely worried about stats, he only cared about winning and that meant sharing the glory with his teammates. Jordan is one of the best of all time, no need to make excuses for the fact that as good as he was, his greatest success did not happen until the greats of the eighties were old, injured or retired.
@@braemtes23 What's old to you? (because Larry was 34 when Jordan won his 1st, Jordan was 35 when he won his last, oldest team to win a championship) Having seen stuff from Larry I definitely see him as one of the greats. GOAT is a hard subject. LeBron I would never call the GOAT.
@@sentokigames151 wtf🤔I just watched Celt/Chi game where Chi kept it close the whole game without Jordan.
Is this where the plumbers & janitor saga came from?
@@sentokigames151 Larry didn't fall under the old category. He retired because of severe injuries. He played his last few years in excruciating pain.
He played half his career with a jacked up back. Had Achilles surgeries on both Achilles and had a unusable finger on his shooting hand for his entire career. Still won 3 straight mvps and 4 runner ups in 13 years and missed 1 of those due to surgery. Only 12 years played
I started watching in ‘80 and I loved watching Showtime. So I’ve watched all of Magic, Bird & MJ career. Bird was best player of 80’s and overall MJ 1a Bird 1B. Jordan wouldn’t have been as great if Celtics & Bad Boys did hold him down for so long.
Jordan did not face the quality of 80s later. 80s was the toughest period and Bird was the best, together with Magic they are the goats of NBA for the dtyle and type of game they played which was the best before turning again into an individualistic play
Like your channel young buck.
Larry Bird is the GOAT. Not because I say so, but because Pat Riley does.
He said, "If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I'd choose Michael Jordan. If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I'd choose Larry Bird."
I guess we'll never really know if Bird could have played for five more years without a dislocated back and foot surgeries he probably would have been the Undisputed best player of all time, but that's not the case fortunately. In my eyes Larry will always be the best ! 33 Larry Legend !
Exactly but he did play got 86 MVP season his team mates Walton & McHale we’re hurt after that & Lakers still couldn’t sweep him adding the scoring champ Macadoo. I imagine Bird on the Lakers & Magic on Celtics… Bird wins 7 easy. Even with the bad back that Magic team stacked like Russell team.
Nahh, even if Bird did rack up a few more years of stats, we would still be here arguing. Nobody will ever be the undisputed best player, we will always dispute.
Bird and Jordan and a handful of others. Simply graze in a pasture all by themselves.
This was the era of sticking it out with your team. Jordan could have easily, jumped ship; to greener, pastures like LBJ and many, others in this generation. Jordan faced hof's from the beginning and didn't quit just because his team was outgunned. Jordan was forged by fire. Larry is respected by MJ fans because Larry was a very, hard worker. He took no shortcuts and he was tough. He took no sh!t from anybody. He was ultra, competitive and wanted to win, win, win. 2nd place is last place to guys like him. My generation recognize what came before the 90's and 80's and we still give those guys their respect.
Soooo true. Today it's all about Stats. Look at "Lebron's,' stats... See he's better than everyone." They forget about hard work, sticking with your team good or bad, playing the entire season. I think Dirk's ring was more appreciated by him than all of Lebrons.
Really appreciate your take on this. Im not sure there is such a thing as the, “greatest player of all time”. For me it was just bring your best players and let them bring their best game and get it on lol. Excellent video dude.
Well said
Actually, Wilt Chamberlain was the greatest basketball player of all time. And probably the best athlete of all time.
Ali and Pele exist
Wilt didn't play against that many opponents as the leagues hadn't merged yet. Also people seem to forget that Wilt played on a pretty stacked team at the time as well.
I would like to see today's guys play in converses and without the new rules from 1979- 2018 :)
Jordan playing god mode only to get swept twice by "pretty much Bird" (as the announcer said) shouldnt tell you anything about Scotty. It should tell you Bird dodges lighting from God with a stoic face ... and wins ... lol!
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If Michael Jordan had anyone to inspire him, it HAS to be Bird at that stage of the game. He still went on to be Black Jesus, carrying his teams harder than a $$billionaire hell bent on beating the game in diablo immortal pvp...
NBA teams had juggernauts back then. That's mainly because they played team ball, and were allowed to play physical defense. The Celtics and Knicks were incredible teams. Jordan had a bunch of scrubs.
Bron went to Miami with 2 guys who were already superstars. Bulls drafted pippen and he became one. Bron couldn’t do it by himself either. And I’m a bird guy
Trying to compare the two is ridiculous. Larry was a better team player and Jordan was a better individual player. On top of that the Celtics were possibly the best team ever at this time. Unfortunately injuries are a reality in professional sports. Birds feet and back mchales foot Walton’s feet. Losing bias absolutely killed the Celtics. His athleticism would have reduced the pressure on them as they were aging.
Mike developed Scotty with tough love. Scotty averaged like 9 points his beginnings. Larry is the best small forward ever and bron bron is second
Larry Bird is still the GOAT cause basketball was about team not ball hogging individuals
I have heard this excuse so many times that Jordan didn't have much help, but Bird came in in 1979 and alone changed the Celtics from a team that won 29 games the year before but won 61 in his first year.
One on one? Jordan. Give them the exact same teammates? Bird.
What was he supposed to do against 5 HoFs ? Lebron got swept too by the 2018 Warriors, you forgot that ? But okay let's hold that against both Jordan and Lebron. Give Jordan a teammate like Kareem or McHale in the his first 3 years like Magic and Bird had and he would have beaten every team he faced in the playoffs.
Truthfully Bird was a much better teammate than Jordan. He helped make his teammates HOF and they acknowledged that in their speechs to the HOF. He shared the ball. People downplay Jordan's teammates when he first got to the league but he had some good ones. However his mentality explained itself in his quote before the playoff game. He tried to be a one man show. Until he learned to pass he was a non factor. Jordan always respected Larry and never claimed to be a better player.
@@marykuettner752 Larry Bird was a better teammate, not player. Hell I'd rather play with Bird if I was a 80s role player, but let's not act like Jordan didn't make his teammates better too, we heard about his practices in TLD. Scottie came in averaging 8 points and after 3-4 years under MJ he got that up to 20-22 whilst playing immaculate defense. Grant was a late bloomer too.
MJ averaged 8.5 assists against the Bucks in 1985 playoffs, his first series and they still lost 3-1. Jordan had no help until 1990.
@@kristijanEX Bird being a better teammate is exactly what I said. Robert Parish (the guy talking about stepping in Jordan's ass)also won a chip with the Bulls after Bird retired. He is on Cornbread Maxwell's podcast and talks about MJ screaming at guys and the contrast of Bird leading by example. Jordan did have some pretty good players with him early on but they have been discounted even though they became better players after leaving the Bulls. James Worthy not Jordan was MVP on MJ's college team because he wouldn't pass. Don't try to tell me Worthy wasn't good.
Put this into perspective. Bruce Lee is considered the Goat of fighters but even though he is the Goat there are still others so legendary that their very name in some ways is even greater than the goat status. These are legendary people so crazy skilled that legends sprout up thanks to their status. A good example of this is chuck norris. He may have lost to lee but he is still legendary even after that. Bird is the same way. Jordan may be the goat of scoring but Bird is the legend of basketball. The only man that jordan could never entirely beat. The only man who could call his shots like babe ruth and no matter how much the other teams tried he would score. That is why he is larry legend. Goats come and go with everyone always passing the title but becoming a legend is something else altogether.
Notice the glee on his face when he learns the Celtics, who had 5 hof's beat the bulls 3/4 times they faced in the playoffs and holds that against MJ but, calls LBJ the goat for winning 1/4 times they were in the finals and got swepted in 1 of them. The inconsistency is strong in this guy. 😂
If I want to sell tickets I'll take MJ, If I want to win games it's Bird.
Pat Riley looks like he can be in a Martin Scorsese movie...
This is why it's goofy. Bird had 4 other players who everyone said were hall of famers. They also said at the time, Jordan was outgunned because it was only him. Scottie averted 7 points his first season. This is what happens when you build a team from ground up and not leave a team because they are not winning so you go to where other great players are, so it's easier. This is why you can't go off just highlights without context.
Larry Bird is the GOAT. I don't care what anyone says.
The Pistons were brutal back then. Larry, is the goat.
Yes ended his career early by being thugs basically cost him 1-2 prime years.
Pistons were one of best teams of all time
@@edwardbrito4010it was his house tractor and grovel work that did that not the game mainoy
I have Bird 3 in my top ten. Lebron was fifth, but after the playoffs this year, he dropped to sixth, replaced by Olajuwon. Ive watched the nba since 1971.
Larry has all star and hof on his team against Jordan’s bulls n 80s
1v1 Jordan or James win against him, but when you add the teams in Bird is a monster.
Bird is a better passer and rebounder than Lebron. Also a better leader and competitor. This sums upto Larry being a better player than Lebron.
You say Pippen like Lebron didn't have help. Oh yeah Pippen was drafted to the Bulls not traded, not picked by mike to form a superteam.
Bro don't be bias.. You can't compare MJ's first round playoff loss to LBJ?? In those days the first round had 5 games so best of 3. So more like to get swet by 3-0. Also MJ's team were the UNDERDOGS in those days!! Still building around MJ while LBJ were favourites most of the times going into playoff rounds where they got swet 4-0.. Don't be silly in your comparisons. And once MJ had a second player who he groomed somewhat in his image, the BULLS NEVER looked back! Also MJ did his BEST in all those games where he got swept. Not like LBJ who was a NO SHOW in those swept series. After breaking the playoff record against the Celtics and still loosing, he realized he needed a partner. DON'T FORGET he came off a BROKEN FOOT injurie one of those swept series and still played ridiculous! LBJ TOP THAT!
Wayyyy better than LBJ. Bird was a beast
Wait did you just say getting a player is the same as leaving a team to win. You see how delusional that sounds dont you.
Jordan didnt win until all the guys in the 80's were old and over the hill. His competition in the 90's was a big step down from the 80's.
They are not putting reality into the description. I live in Boston hard core Celtic fan and love that period. one thing they are not saying in those wins beyond Larry being a bad MOFO, is he had 4 other HOF on his team. Jordan had 0 until Scottie. Put that shit into prospective. 5 HOF including the Legend against a young Michael Jordan.
with those losses he also lost to the Pistons another team filled with Hallers.
Stop with the comparison... How the hell you gonna be the greatest, can't shoot foul shots, not clutch in the biggest moments, shy from the ball down the stretch cause can't shoot foul shots., don't play defense (one chase down block in a big game does not make one a great defensive player, especially when the player should have dunked it instead of that lazy layup which was surprising considering), No post up game at 6f9 until late in career, no deep shot until late and still inconsistent. sorry dude there's no comparison and Larry is better without question!! in this can't touch league Larry would average 45 and triple doubles at least!
Bird is the GOAT
Larry Legend beat ALL the greats ,,if you really pay attention all the ones he played against only got better because of his skills
Bird is the best!!!!
I wouldn't call you a racist if you backed it up
The 1987 team wasn't nearly as healthy as the team that won the championship the year prior. Still Chicago got swept.
its was a different league - era im not going take anything away from those great teams... but put Lebron on both those Bulls teams that got swept they still get swept both times except Lebron wouldnt go for 63
Lebron went to another team to join with an mvp and bring another potential mvp with him. So yeah that's just like getting a good teammate through the draft. 😂
Isaiah buggin Michael has NEVER been a non factor….!!!! But he wasn’t the same as 1990’s Jordan who Dominated the league and the world 🌎
Lebron fans always use this argument as a knock on Micheal Jordan. Jordan had only been in the league two years when he got swept by the Boston Celtics. Keep in mind, for the first 7 years of Michael Jordan’s career, from 1984-1991, Jordan played with NO ALL STAR PLAYERS! Jordan said it in the clip, can one man beat the Boston Celtics? Basketball is a team sport! Michael Jordan knew he was overmatched. While teams like the Boston Celtics and Detroit Pistons were Stacked With Multiple All Stars and Hall of Famer’s, Jordan’s Bulls faced those teams without the luxury of one single All Star Player. I agree, Larry Bird was a phenomenal player. If the game was on the line with 10 seconds left, I’d take Bird over Lebron everyday. But, was Bird better than Jordan? I don’t think so. Bird and Magic have admitted in interviews that they weren’t better than Jordan. Quite obviously, the Boston Celtics would sweep the Chicago Bulls. The Celtics had 6 All Star Players and 5 Hall of Famer’s, compared to the Bulls who had Jordan and 0 All Stars and 0 Hall of Famer’s. Under those circumstances, your analysis must be put into the proper context. Larry Bird had 5 Hall of Famer’s and won 3 NBA Championship’s. Did he ever win back to back Chips? NO! Did he ever 3PEAT? NO! Michael Jordan 3PEAT’d with ONLY ONE ALL STAR PLAYER!
Steph Curry couldn't hold Larry Birds jock strap..
1.Larry Bird. MJ with all his arsenal wasn’t able to bend Bird’s bb IQ or steel emotional mindset.
This is why kids should make videos about history that they dont know about SMH
It wasn't until Horace Grant arrived that The Bulls starting beating the Pistons, the Celtics, etc.
And yes, Bird by many observers has been placed ahead of LeBron.
And yes, Jordan lost to Bird a plenty during his career but Jordan became a winner and the greatest ever because he went through Magic, Bird, Zeke, etc. to ascend to the mountain top.
Why do you think LeBron wore 23? It was because his favorite player was the all time great Michael Jordan.
A case can be made for Jordan, Bird and Kobe for being the G.O.A.T. and you won't get as much push back as you do trying to make Lebron the G.O.A.T. All three of them were great on offense and defense. They had almost no flaws in their game. You can't say the same about Lebron because he doesn't have a mid range game, he's selective when he plays defense, he has limited skills, he's inconsistent at the free throw line and take care of the ball. Everyone talks about how great Lebron is at assists. But if he was so great, he wouldn't have the NBA record for most turnovers ever by a wide margin. If you want to say it because of his longevity then explain how he's 10 in turnovers per game. His turnovers is also why he lost a lot in the finals. So for this reason I don't even have Lebron on my top 10 list.
1 Jordan
2 Bird/Kobe
4 Magic
5 Isiah Thomas
6 Bill Russell
7 Kareem
8 Shaq
9 Wilt Chamberlain
10 Hakeem
Lebron is a great athlete but he's noton the level of any of these players. He has the record for most points only because he's been in the league for so many years. Not because he's a great scorer
Labron would quit basketball if he had to play Larry or Michael. Hes not close to that level.
Wait hold up hold up, I like how the biased video creator always says "Bird faced prime Jordan AND prime Pippen", but he never says "Jordan faced prime Bird, prime McHale and prime Parish" like Bird didn't have a superteam whilst the Bulls were a one team show, peak bias and that shows why Jordan is the GOAT, he gets criticized for getting swept by an all time great team whilst being the lone star whilst other GOAT candidates like Lebron have actual stains on their record like 2011 or Bird underperforming in the 1981 Finals WHERE THEY STILL WON.
Unlike all those guys Jordan never had one bad playoff series, only bad playoff games and that's the difference.
Larry was essential.
Larry Bird fue un fenómeno, para mi el 2º mejor jugador de la historia detrás de MJ. Esos Celtics y Pistons hubieran dejado a 0 puntos a cualquier equipo de LB.J. ;) .. Piénsalo.
What Bob Ryan said doesnt even make any sense. You need the ball to pass plus scoring is better than getting assists because it cuts out the middle man
Sorry, I misspoke. Parish and McHale were on the title team,but their status was as stated. Bird had the same 29-53 team his rookie year and, with no additional help, turned it around to 61 wins the biggest turnaround in NBA history. God bless.
Lebron is a floppy bird hahaja
Jordan had no help, what so ever in those years! The Bulls had little to no chance of competing against that Celtics squad!
8:15 When Jordan got Scottie Pippen, Scottie wasn't all that good. Scottie needed to up his game tremendously to walk the talk and became one of the legends. It's not like Jordan easily got a great player. Unlike when Lebron jumped from team to team and team up with already established great players.
GOAT
LoL, Lebron would have a TD......LMAO....in that era.....sure.
18:45 He said "the crowd". Talking in past tense. The crowd at that time, didn't know any other players past '91/'92. No one really listens to what is said. 😂
Lebron would NEVER sweep Jordan. That's how great Bird is and better (all around) than Lebron. Lebron is better physicaly than Jordan and Bird, but as far as Championship and leadership and CLUTCH and in some cases the eye test, Bird is better. It wasn't just that Pippen came, it was that they put in the Triangel system, that's what made the Bulls great. People keep forgetting that. How did the Bulls reach the semi-finals without Jordan? it was the System. Jordan just enhanced it.
🤡 stop leaving out the part where bird had 5 other hofers on his team goin against jordan by himself jordan didn’t have no allstar teammates on his team like bird magic and Isaiah 🤡
No comparison between Bird and Bron. If he dominated Jordan he would have destroyed Lebron. MJ is leagues better than Lebron.
Larry and Magic are the goats of NBA also for the style of play for playing the best type of basketball.
Bill Russell 1 , without A doubt ! Wilt , Birdie, Jordan,co 3/4 . Magic, Jerry west ,Hakim , Timmy Duncan , ! Play THAT shit ?
Y'all brainwashed by Nike. If Bird aint the GOAT its Bill Russell.
Pretty dam close
They act like rebs and assists are better than points SMH LOL Rebs and Assists dont win games .
scottie pippen got there and got swept again
Okay sure Mj got swept by the celtics, but lets not act like that celtics team wasn't one of the greatest teams of all time plus lebron also got swept in 2018 with in my opinion more help.
Bro, with all respect, I used to hate James but when I knew he considered Bird as one of his 3 best basketball players the MF won my respect and I started to like him.
Sixers also alltime team & Lakers maybe the best. So if playing good teams are an excuse why doesn’t Bird get excuse he broke his back… flu game pansy Bird played half his career with broken back but still swept your boy, Pistons who targeted him, Magic well he didn’t make Finals. League MVP with broken back he beats Pistons if healthy next year imo negates those titles & be something at that point if Bird beats 90s MJ but he dislocated his back a real excuse not they tricked me into being a scorer & I can’t pass. MJ stans don’t give Lebron a pass for a Finals sweeps.
Jordans the Goat, Bird third and Lebron is fifth on my list.
Look who Larry played with in Boston compared to who MJ played with 🤣🤣 dude MJ played with drug attics and Larry played with 5 other Hall of Famers....yo Erkel go look at Chicago's record before MJ got there
Thomas and mike got bad blood because mike made sure he wasn’t a part of the dream team and Thomas also hates that mike was king of Thomas hometown.
Seth Curry. LOL! He's not even in the picture. You don't know what you're talking about. EXCEPT IT! Jordon was happy bird retire. LOL! Larry Legend! It got like this. Legend has it that. 😂🤣😂
Dude you're right Lebum wouldn't have done any of that as he would be an average player that era. Ridiculous even bringing his name in the same breath with these great legit HOF'ers. Game would've been over in 3rd quarter. Go back and look at the 3-1 come back against Warriors and count the ridiculous bad calls. The NBA/refs delivered that to Lebron... sorry not sorry
Yes remember 40 year old Jordan was a better shooter than Lebron. Where is your argument on STATS. Yes we are all waiting were is your argument on stats
Players now r about themselves
Bird was better than Jordan from about Jordan's rookie season (1984) to Jordan's first MVP season (1988). That being said they never faced each other in their prime, Bird was better than a rookie Jordan and Jordan was better than an injured Bird. The closest season they had to competing was Jordan's MVP year in 1987-88, which was Larry Bird's last relatively healthy season as he played 75+ games and the next year he practically missed entirely (only 6 games).
So how does 1988 Jordan vs Bird fare when they were both closest to their primes ?
When they were the closest to their primes ? Jordan ofc walked away with the MVP averaging 35/5.5/6/3/1.5 on 53.5% field goal, he also won DPOY that year and carried his team to a 50-32 record (3rd in the East behind Larry's Celtics and Isiah's Pistons). Defense was one way that Jordan affected the game that Bird didn't, video creator conveniently forgot that. Larry Bird might have had the best year of his career as he averaged 30/9/6/1.5 on 50/40/90+% splits. Bird definitely affected the game with his size and shooting more in contrast.
In H2H match ups that season they tied 3-3, but in Bird's defense as I always want to be objective, he missed two games versus the Bulls and the Celtics lost both games, so he only lost once to the Bulls that year. Here are their average stats for those 6 match ups or in Bird's case 4 games :
Jordan - 39/5/6.5/2.6 on 55% field goal, Jordan stepped it up against the Celtics because he had to, people don't remember that Pippen didn't become an All Star until 1990 so Jordan needed to carry that team and here's where I'm going in Jordan's defense because we have to keep it a buck like I did for Larry, he had a much better team than Jordan did even at this point, let alone when he was sweeping Jordan in the playoffs, for chronological purposes that was the past 2 years before this MVP season.
Bird - 33.5/9/6/1 on 58% field goal, Larry also stepped it up and it wasn't rare to see Jordan and Bird combine for 70+ as they were equally motivated, competitive and hungry, Larry is definitely a legend and deserves his top 10 player of all time ranking.
What did they both do in the playoffs ? This was the first year Jordan made it past the first round and as Jordan became a better player, his team record improved from 38-44 to 50-32, past that we can't credit him because Pippen and Grant emerged so they also had a hand in the improvement of the squad, although ofc Jordan did improve still too and some of those wins past 1988 should be attributed to him as well. Back on track, the Bulls beat the Cavs on a dominant Jordan performance mostly, you can look up his teammates' stats, that was a carry job. However they would lose to the Pistons in 5 games with Jordan putting up 27/9/5/2 on 49% shooting, which by his standards is lackluster and his team could have benefited from more passing, but then again, who was he gonna pass the ball too ? Maybe Jordan could have unlocked Grant's and Pippen's potential one season early as their stats in the series vs Pistons suggest that they should have taken more shots, but looking at the one game they did win and you can see why it was impossible to beat the Pistons. Sam Vincent and MJ combined for 67 points and Vincent put up 31 by himself, THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO HAD 4 POINTS IN THE PREVIOUS GAME...and the next game he has 9 points on 3-12 shooting, it was a stroke of luck. Yadda yadda the Bulls lose in the ECSF in 5 with Jordan having meh games (22 and 25 points, albeit on great efficiency) and in the last game he tried to involve his teammates, but they still lost because the Pistons were an actual good team. Credit to them.
But enough about Jordan, what did Larry's Celtics do this year, this was clearly after their success, Bird has already won 3 rings, 3 straight MVPs and 2 FMVPs, so we can already guess they lost. In the first round they beat the Knicks comfortably, but in the ECSF they had to go to 7 games to beat Dominique's Hawks, Larry was clutch in that Game 7, but some praise has to go to Dominique because he put up 47 points in Game 7 on 57.5% field goal. Larry predicted a Game 7 win because he was a confident MOFO, but it was still a close 2 point game decided by a goaltending call on the Hawks, nonetheless Bird had a 20 point 4th quarter and scored in the last minute (109-114 at time) by slipping past Dominique who was guarding him.
The Celtics made it to the ECF to face the team that bounced Jordan in 5 and they lost in 6 games with Bird having a terrible series, averaging 19/12/6/3/2, but on only 35/28.5/86% shooting. Even so the Celtics managed to take one more game from the Pistons than the Bulls.
So after all the facts and context, I'll let you decide who was better that season, in their primes.
Bird beat prime Kareem & Dr J stop cap in his first 4 years. Please, real GOAT don’t have excuses. Jordan was on a team with Worthy couldn’t go undefeated. Bird was with accountants & teachers & did go undefeated in college. Like his career Magic had stack teams.
Just say MJ goat cause he’s Healthier. He played more games healthy… but LBJ gets nod for longevity if that’s true lol 😆
@@edwardbrito4010 When did Bird face 70s Kareem, that was his prime. Comparing college and NBA lmao, do you hear yourself ?
MJ's better because he was just as good a scorer whilst being a much better defender, yes he played longer, but he also beats Bird in terms of every accolade and he's just as clutch.
Similarly to Lebron, he beats Jordan in passing and rebounding, but a vast minority of people consider Bird the GOAT compared to Jordan. Oh yeah didn't he have two 8 point Finals games back to back ?
Pippen played on that team
And for those who think that 63 point game in the playoffs that Jordan scored was impressive it really wasn't cause Jordan needed 6 quarters to accomplish that and Jordan still Lost the game so not impressive and LARRY LEGEND BIRD is the one true GOAT also Jordan could never best Bird in the playoffs
I hate to agree with Isiah Thomas but even though I agree that Jordan is the GOAT of NBA basketball, he was indeed a non-factor in the 80's and that's okay for Jordan's legacy. It still means Isiah wasn't wrong when he correctly said that Jordan's Bulls, even with Phil Jackson and Scottie PIppen, couldn't beat the Pistons, couldn't beat Magic with Kareem, and they couldn't beat Larry's Celtics. It only means Jordan, like many great players, founded a dynasty when they were at their peak and kept it riding against a new era.
This makes sense
2citypopFM How can someone be a nonfactor if they are in the ECF ?
Lebron has had plenty of help over the years. Don’t worry none of it matters. Wilts the GOAT. It’s ridiculous the disrespect of Wilt. Go look into his career and all the details. There’s some amazing facts about that guy. Lebron isn’t better than Jordan though. That’s pretty silly.
all those 80's lineups would absolute smoke any lebron team... lebron would be a middle of the pack player in the 80's. just NOT a good enough mid range shooter and completely terrible at the foul line.. as you know very well.
Says how well LeBron would do...
Not great, I'll tell you. Not great.
Jordan was a better athlete hands down nobody's debating that. Larry was a better player. This video also is saying in the 80s Jordan was a non factor. Jordan dominated the 90s. Jordan even said he had to go to the playoffs 8 time before he won because of bird lol. I honestly believe if Larry never got injured and played until 95-98 that Jordan would not have had the career he did.
Jordan was a non factor? What a ridiculous comment. Jordan didn't have a single all-star on his team while the other team was the best TEAM in the league. One player has never been able to do it all. And if you think bird is the smartest player ever, you should probably listen to him when said Jordan was the best he's ever seen play. A non factor lol i cant comprehend how you wrote that . Like really? Just 33.5 pts on 50% shooting, 2.7 steals. Hustling his ass off with not a single all-star on his team.
@@szaret1 Watch the video again. You missed a lot. Sorry you are butt hurt but that’s life. Go find a safe space. The legends that played against Bird and Jordan are the ones explaining reality. Unlike you I was alive then. I watched those games. I witnessed basketball dying in the 1970’s because it was ball hog basketball. I watched Magic and Bird bring back team basketball and made it exciting. Then I watched Jordan change it back to ball hog basketball. Even with great players on his team Jordan still tried to score 60 points every night by himself. On top of that the legends got old and retired. Jordan excelled after the legends left the game.
@@szaret1 When the commenter says “This video also is saying in the 80s Jordan was a non factor”, it’s important to read the entire message to get its full intent. If you leave off the part that says “This video also is saying”, you fail to get the full intent of the message. Remember, “Jordan was a non factor” is only PART of the entire message, and it’s important to include BOTH PARTS of the message when reading, or you lose focus on the intent of the message. The commenter CLEARLY states “This video also is saying”. But you CLEARLY missed that part. When this happens (which can be a result of haste in reading, mental incapacity, etc.) one may think that the comment “Jordan was a non factor” is a belief of the commenter, when in fact this is not necessarily the case. He clearly points to “this video” as the source. It’s difficult to think that I actually had to break this down, but I’m glad I could be of help. No, no, don’t thank me, speak nothing of it.
bird and that celts team would have swept lebron as well. and scotty wasn't really that great until about 4 or 5 years into his career..
If you were building a team.. and you had to pick one player in his prime to start with... how could you put LeBron in your top 5.. LeBron is the most talented, physically impressive player of all time... but he's nowhere near being the greatest
Larry GOAT
Yes, Bird is the greatest player of all time hands down.
Larry Bird is Number 1st, Michael Jordan 2nd, and then Maybe 🤔 Labron James 3rd