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- A compelling argument for Larry over Mike
Kobe Fan Reacts To The Best Larry Bird vs Michael Jordan Story Ever Told |【日本語字幕】
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the BULLS were a non factor in the 80s. but jordan was ABSOLUTELY a factor.... all time great teams celtics and pistons still spent an innordinant amount of energy stopping a non factor
I started watching the nba in 1965. Bird is my favorite player of all time. But Jordan is the best Ive ever seen. Jordan and Bird have high respect for each other to this day.
He never beat Larry when it matters though 😮💨 and he had a banged up body to make it worse. Imagine if he was healthy and fit him & Isaiah Thomas
@@jarinxcii263 Jordan still trying to top GOAT Larry. Larry next level nooo question.
Are you aware Jordan NEVER beat bird...?
I would say I agree with a statement that I saw before.. which was MJ was the greatest in the air. Bird was the greatest on the ground!
Larry was wearing a back brace for part of his final season. There's a game out there where he drops 48 on Portland wearing a brace. Crazy!
I saw parts of it recently unreal
Bird actually terribly injured his back in 1986. It was a devastating injury. In 87 when the Celts were trying to repeat by the time they got through multiple long eastern conference series rounds including getting physically hammered by the Pistons over 7 games in the championship round, Bird was absolutely toast between his back plus McHale had a fractured foot, and the Chief, Robert Parrish had one or two badly sprained ankles and yet they still had a legit change of closing out the Lakers in that Finals if Bird would have just taken his time on a last 2 second buzzer beater. He made that same shot multiple times in the past with just one second on the clock. Long way of saying to you that by that final season, he was maybe 30% of prime LB 3X consecutive MVP version. Cheers.
They both played the game in their own unique styles at the highest level. I always thought of mj as a cross of Dominique Wilkins and Clyde Drexler. Bird is Bird. He did everything. He only played 13 seasons because he sacrificed his body in every single game he played in. Not enough can be said about Bird and intangibles. He is the one to jump on a grenade to help
Because he straightedged and finished his mom's concrete driveway instead of hireing out.
17 seasons including the playoff games
Larry was transformational....as a rookie. Took essentially the SAME team that won 29 games....and had a 61 game winning season. From the MOMENT Larry stepped on the court, the Celtics were a playoff team.
Larry MADE the team better....and they continued to get better....or washed out. Larry never settled for less than 100 % effort ...100% desire to win...100% commitment. He led by example.
MJ got better himself....but his play was all about self. 63 points....in a loss...is all that needs to be said.
And check out Parrish when he talks about leadership ability between Larry and MJ. Parrish played WITH MJ at the end of his career, and saw firsthand the difference.
And THAT is why Larry is the GOAT. Larry is the COMPLETE teamplayer...with almost no holes in his game.
And if you question Larry's leadership...he was ALSO coach of the year. And Executive of the year. 😉
We are on the same page 👍
Larry, bird in with Magic Johnson, dead, coming into the NBA in making an immediate impact, is so uncommon, kudos to them
Different styles of leadership but everything has to come together centered around its core. This doesn’t apply to Larry or Mike as they both climbed to the top, but just a general comment im making as I think. I seen players that people say are amazing leaders never win a chip or got damn thing and other players leadership skills be deemed less favorable win it all
Bird was also having back issues towards the end of his career. Having back issues myself, I know how how painful a bad back can be for anyone. Bird was a TOUGH SOB to play through back pain. If bird would have been healthy in his later years he’d have played many more seasons and put a hurting on league.
I have had some back pain and problems, extremely mild,m to what Larry was dealing with, and that shit had me cringing with my little back ailments
So we give Bird credit for what he couldve done had he not been hurt but we dont give credit to what Jordan couldve done had he not retired twice? Double standard.
@@joshm6854 i always do lol
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Jordan wasn't as good as Larry because he felt that he needed to make more points than anyone else. Larry figured out how to make his team win without making all of the points even though he could make them. All he cared about was for his team to w
Mike wanted to win more than anything, just going about it hehe
The Chief rules!!! Most underrated Center ever!
My favourite player! I need a Robert Parish highlight (and interview!) reaction video!
One point: Jordan scored so much not only because he was a great shooter, but because he took so many shots! Bird was more of an all-around player.
Apply pressure! Weapon 23
Bird was a stone Cold killer as a rookie, Everybody else took a few years to develop
Agree it was largely unprecedented with what him and magic did
Individually MJ but in a draft I always take Bird. Bird was a winner from his rookie year and played with a lot of different players and turned them into winners too.
Even in college Bird was the only player on the team to play in the NBA. Michigan State had three players go on to the NBA and two others went on to play in Europe.
Bird came in with his bb iq and continued to show it as a coach and executive.
An all-around class act that succeeded in different positions
"He still had his craft" exactly right. Many things were taken from Bird but not his craft.
Cant take it!
Jordan came into the league in 1984. He got beat like a drum for 6 years. While Larry elevated a 29 win team to a 61 win team his first year. Michael is great, but 6 years to "mature" is ridiculous. He wasn't good enough to beat the elite 80s teams. Those guys had to get old and change before he started winning. He dominated a weak 90s era.
You think the 90s were weak in general or weaker? Even in his years of growing pains he was already elite.
@@BU_TV Not as strong as the 80s.
Just a shot out: I like your channel, your style, the way you carry yourself. There was a moment in this vid that's kinda the epitome of you: you pressed pause, apologized, then dropped some casual truth bombs that changed my pov on something I'd been carrying around for decades ( Larry and MJ not being light years away in difference ). Anyway, it's easy to take you and your consistent quality for granted without stopping to say thank you every once in awhile. Thank you. Appreciate you, my dude. 🤙
What he said!
GREAT reaction my friend....I miss old school NBA when it was blood & guts on the floor but total respect off the floor . There were no " ring chasers " .....they were loyal to their city and loyal to their team & fans . Plus there were rivalries also which made for great bragging rights .
Byrd stepped into the league as a rookie playing chess….
Yep. I not buying the story it took 7 years for Jordan's to raise his basketball "IQ". LOL.
True
Buy it or leave it but Mike didnt have it figured out like Larry did coming in. What Larry and Magic did instantly is incredible and I don’t think we’ll ever see it again
When MJ came into the league, graced with superior athleticism, he immediately started putting up great individual numbers. For the team, not so much. It took him what, 4, 5. 6 years to learn how to boost his team into consistent winners. Bird, OTOH, had an immediate impact, from game 1, on his team's ability to win games despite his relative lack of athleticism. He came to the league as a complete player.
Something nobody talks about is that in Jordan’s 63 point game, his primary defensive assignment(s) for the game took 11 uncontested shots. He also took 41 shots while the rest of the team took 61 shots combined. By contrast, Bird took 27 shots, and the rest of the Celtics took 76. Most will say that it’s because that was because nobody on the Bulls could score except Jordan, but one shot 75% that game, while another shot 57%, and another shot 60%. It’s hard to score without the ball, though.
Okay, but how come it took him so long to develop the IQ etc when Bird & Magic didn't have the same growing pains?
How Larry and Magic came in and were instantly successful is uncommon and should be looked at as a compliment and nod to them as opposed to a slight against Mike
It's an easy thing to fall into! Bird always gets knocked for not being naturally athletic and supposedly .. slow all the time! So I expect to hear from other people about how it took MJ longer.... he didn't have the same basketball IQ or court vision for that matter. People are going to compare...🤷. Lol
Jordan was.....after Larry retired. And it was his drive and the lessons he learned from Larry that took him to his greatness. Larry was the best throughout the years that he played. I shudder to think about the player Larry would have been had his body stayed strong.
Lol. No. Mj absolutely torched the Celtics playing 1 on 5. But you CANT WIN playing 1 on 5. Especially against 86 boston. He played boston 2x in the playoffs. It was the 3 yrs of Detroit that toughened up the bulls mentally, and you could see the bulls getting better and better each yr. MJ getting to the top was inevitable. What separates MJ is once on top, he stayed there. And no Detroit was NOT old so don't even go there
But he never cut a path through Birds Celtics, the Pistons benefited from the Celtics getting older first and Chicago went through Detroit to get to the finals
@@jaycockrell7470 who did Jordan have on his team? Bird was playing with 4 other hof...are y'all really having this conversation.
@shawn benton every team changes personnel with time but they had the nucleus of their team that finally won a title in time to face Birds Celtics, Jordan Pippin, Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, hodges and Paxson
How can MJ be the
best if he couldn’t
beat the best ? And
if Bird is a better
shooter ( and not to
confuse with scorer )
a better passer and
a better rebounder ,
how is Jordan the
better player ? ….
Sorry , Bird over MJ !
You did a great job on this video great commentary!
Appreciate you! Ty
Horace Grant “guarding” Bird in double overtime. That is adorable! Phil Jackson’s “genius” on display.
Lmfaaaaaaaao😭😭😂
Which is why he became a great coach and executive!!!!!!! His mental!!!!!
You make no sense.
Dude coaching demeanor was like his play
what Larry did much better was he played a team sport, MJ lacked in that , as that is WHY the 80's was as it was .... 1 on 1, he could out physical many guys, but BB is a TEAM sport. Larry made everyone on his team shine brighter and MJ did not and Scottie, his main man will tell you he NEVER got the credit he deserved assisting MJ .... Go back and ask ANYONE who played with Bird if they felt that way and they will all tell you what i just told you.
The things with Scottie is Mike himself always credited Scottie at every corner for his contributions and helping take the franchise to unforeseen heights. Scottie is a bit of a sour baby because the general public didnt see it that way.Unfortunately people and media often downplay other players contributions to the superstar leaders. Lebrons first and second options on his super teams never get their credit, but i rarely see Lebron speak up for their sacrifices.
@@BU_TV I don’t recall Pippen being underrated or called out until the years without MJ when he didn’t win. Even so I thought the Chip winning Bulls were great because the team was great.
Just seeing these old-school Ballers high lights. A real pleasure to see. Thanks, KFB.
!! BIRD 🦅 is the GOAT 🐐!!
Cross breeding!😂
Correction, Jordan and the Bulls did not arrive until Larry Bird retired! MJ was the happiest guy in the NBA when Bird finally called it a career.
That is incorrect! Jordan won his first 2 titles with Bird still in the league. He just wasn't able to reach the CF.
I tried hard not to be bias because i'm a 80's Celtics and a Larry Bird fan.
Mike was way ahead of everyone in the league when it comes to athletic ability. Mike was a phenomenal player. He deserved all the accolades he got. He came into the league in 84, took him 7 years to to win the finals. Bird won his second year. Bird also turned a team with a 32 win turn around from the previous year. That was Birds growing pains. I am not diminishing Michael playing ability anyone who does is being disingenuous. Just giving some facts.
Really enjoy your commentary
I second that! Very enjoyable and erudite!
Tysm fam
I need you to keep dropping these unique and clever words on me! Erudite!
Yes Non-Factor!
Michael didn't shine until the elite talent were on their way out.
Magic and Bird saved basketball from extinction.
Len Bias with Larry Joe would’ve been a huge problem for all opposition. Still remember the heartbreak.
RIP!
I think they're the two best to ever play the game. I grew up watching Larry and the Celtics beat Los Angeles. When Larry retired, Michael made basketball fun to watch like Larry did. When Michael retired, that was the end of the era. The game wouldn't be the same without either one of them.
4:06 best way I’ve heard it explained is that Jordan is the greatest but Bird is the best.
Having gone over to 90 games thing most realizes is the physicality and the rules were changes, The teams were stacked with best physical and inside game. There were so many injuries and the was backlash by the viewers
Great reaction and very knowledgeable and respectful of the game. I love Bird and love it when you call him old ass Bird. I always thought the same thing. Take it to them you broke down old man and he always did no matter what 😀
Ya it wasn't bone spurs that Bird had surgery; It was Double Achillies Surgery that He had to have done. Also Bird first Hurt His Back in 1985. Thanks for this Video, Enjoyed & Your Right about Jordan & Bird.
It was Achilles surgery BECAUSE of bone spurs. In order to get to the bone spurs & remove them, they had to detach the Achilles tendons.
Unreal.
Larry Larry Larry!!! The real GOAT!
Got to give his props he was a demon
I agree bu
Larry Bird was definitely 1 of the players that adjusted to the NBA really quick in comparison to any other player I've ever seen. Most guys come into the league and they need that time to adjust ...to mature. Before they come into their own so to speak.....but Larry Bird didn't need that. He is a rare Bird indeed! Lol. As great of a player that MJ was.... It took him years before he found it. But that does seem to be the norm for most players.
I forget who said it but I I do agree with it....MJ was the goat in the air and Bird was the goat on the ground!
I think it just took MJ longer to realize that you had to have a whole team that actually played! He was a little too much like the problem they had in the 70s which is ...I'm gonna go out for mine! For whatever reason it didn't translate that... Just because you can make points ....it doesn't mean you're going to win!
Bird Was Playing 3D Chess In His Rookie Season.
I swear we had a huge influx of Great players in the 80's! By the time we got to the 90s.... who was left for MJ to compete with besides Thomas?! Someone that wasn't on the last leg of their career....
The best channel.
WHO ME? Thanks!!!
@@BU_TV Of course. Your QI for analysis is unparalleled to none!
When Larrys retirement was done there was no game at the Boston Garden yet it was sold out, let that sink in "no game yet sold out" for one mans retirement.
For those that think Larry Bird was not as good as he really was. This comment is for those whom never had the chance to see him play.
Little know thing about Larry to those that never saw him play , he could effect the outcome of a game and never take a shot thats how devastating his passing skills were. Here is one thing that most fans (people) either don't know or try to ignore, prior to Larry joining the NBA there was no such thing as a three point line, that came in when Bird was starting his first year off in his NBA career. Just think about what would todays game be without the three point line or if the line was one foot farther out like it was when it was first introduced. Food for thought.
At that time it was not about the individuals stats it was about the win. But if you need some stats here you go:
Here are some of Larry Bird's notable career achievements and statistics:
Three-time NBA champion (1981, 1984, 1986); Two-time NBA Finals MVP (1984, 1986); Three-time NBA MVP (1984-86); 12-time NBA All-Star (1980-88, 1990-92); Nine-time All-NBA First Team (1980-88);
All-NBA Second Team (1990); Three-time All-NBA Defensive Second Team (1982-84); NBA Rookie of the Year (1980); NBA All-Rookie Team (1980); Three-time NBA Three-Point Contest champion (1986-88);
Career-high in points: 60 (March 12, 1985) -- tied for franchise record with Jayson Tatum; Named NBA Coach of the Year (1998); and Named NBA Executive of the Year (2012).
Larry Bird, was the first player to accomplish the 50-40-90 achievement, and one of two players to achieve the feat in multiple seasons.
Career averages:
24.3 points per game
10.0 rebounds per game
6.3 assists per game
88.6% free throw percentage
49.6% field goal percentage
37.6% 3-point percentage
Now we can't forget that Bird famously played with two injured ankles and a notoriously cranky back that forced him to lay down on the floor during practice breaks. After season-ending foot surgery just six games into the 1988-89 season
I'm a huge Bird fan, but I only see him in a 3-way tie for first. The other two are Pete Maravich and Bill Russell. If you haven't seen them play, type their names in the search bar and watch. And learn.
I love larry and mike both. My favorite photo of all time is the one that has larry mike and magic posing for the dream team. That photo has the best story behind it because of what those three meant in the nba and to the world. But it’s the differences between them that put them where they were. In order to win, larrys team needed him. In order to win, mike needed his team. That’s the only way i can put it so that it’s clear as can be. Great video by the way.
We could spend hours listing players that Bird owned. Serious players that just had nothing for him. Show me the list of players that owned Bird.
Here’s the list you requested:
Maybe just the owner😂
Michael's comment about Larry is so revealing who else would Michael admit that another player ruined many of his moments..... I can't think of any
I love them both.
My untouchable basketball holy Trinity:
MJ,Bird, Magic
These 3 and any 4 or 5 and i got all the rings, all the MVPs,all of it...
That includes playing against LeBron, Durant,Kobe, Steph.
Jordan is great. But Bird came in his rookie year and turned around a franchise, without Parish or McHale. Yes, he had Cedric Maxwell, but really that was it. Both Pistol Pete and Tiny's best yrs were behind them. I can't remember the exact numbers, but it was like 38 game swing between '78-'79 to '79-'80. And the following yr did win a championship.
It took Jordan what 6 or 7 yrs to get to the finals?
Yup, but once Mike got it figured out, good luck😭
So now you're gonna say Bird didn't have Parish, McHale, Tiny, and Cedric when he won his first. Not only that, but Cedric was the finals mvp, not Bird for that first title. Bird, Magic and Russell are what you call exceptions to the rule who were able to win the first couple years. But how often you see that? Take any other all time great and compare the years it took them to win it all. Once Jordan arrived at the top it was over for everybody else. What 6-0?
I'm a drag racer at heart, my favorite cars to see run are the sleepers. The stock looking, the rattling POS that might fall apart, yet just tears up the dragstrip. Jordan is the top shelf showed out money is no object race car, Bird was always the sleeper. Jordan was the flashy showy player Bird showed up, did exact what he needed to do to win nothing showy flashy or even fast, he just did what it took even to his own detriment. Also Bird was a true team player, Not saying Jordan hogged the ball, but Bird was an intricate part of an already solid and reliable team he elevated them, they elevated him and together they dominated. While Jordan, while what the bulls needed, would have been good just about anywhere alone. Yes Bird would have been great anywhere, I do not think we'd be having this conversation if Bird was ever with any other team. I can't imagine another team with solid talent, but needed him, not one single one, that match was possibly the most perfect fit ever seen in the NBA
Just wish the NBA was like this
That Boston Celtics team had 4 HOF players. Even when Chicago got Scottie he averaged 7 points his first 2 seasons. His 3rd season 14 ppg. Isiah is still bitter his home city of Chicago doesn't show him any love.
Jesus wept that old saw.
They WERENT fkn hofers when they joined the team.
The chief was a gamble.
DJ was a gamble.
Mchale and Ainge were ROOKIES recruited into the team and Walton was a washed up has been.
The 2 teams that won in 81 and 84 were far from the best teams in the league.
Bird took a shit team in 1979 into the finals in 1980 and a ring in 81.
Whatd mj do? Nothing for 7-8 years. He never made his teammates better.
And they will never
Isiah is giving the definition of a hot take when he said Jordan was a non-factor. If that statement was from anyone else, it might be a bit different because where did the "Jordan rules" come from...? The Detroit Pistons. It was how the dealt with Jordan. So that tells you that he was one the biggest factors they planned for.
Bird broke his back in the offseason in '85, not '88 or '89. This happened right after Jordan entered the NBA. He re-injured it in the '89 or '90 season yet still put up those amazing games against Jordan's Bulls.
Exactly! I couldnt agree more tbh
Bird and MJ are tied at #1, but I’d pick Bird first for my team.
Because of his playmaking?
@@BU_TV actually, even though Bill Russell was before my time I’m picking him first and praying the other guy picks anybody but Bird. Then if he does pick somebody else not only do I pick Bird second I let the other guy pick the rest of my team and feeling 100 about my chances of winning a series. However, if I’m honest the best I can do for MJ for GOAT is a tie with Larry Joe. The unasked question is what’s the debate if Larry doesn’t shatter his finger before playing his first NBA game, had feet that weren’t both busted and didn’t need a back brace to stand upright? Bird was frighteningly and intimidatingly great. Add health and 40 years of advances in sports science to that legit 6’ 10” frame not to mention the nature of the contemporary game plus a 20 year career and what does that look like? All that being said my favourite Celtic was the Chief! Robert Parish flooring Bill Laimbeer with one swat of his open palm? Gold! I’d love to see a Parish highlight and interview reaction video.
Good video
Glad you enjoyed! Thank you!
Larry Bird is my all time favorite! He was the reason I started watching NBA! NBA today is full of sissies! And why I say that is, does any of these guys today play hurt like Bird and the players of that era did! One player that comes to mind in today's times he gets bumped and he's flopping on the floor and boo hooing! Also back then when a dude got on a team he stayed on that team until the end, no chasing rings and bouncing from team to team!
I think I know who you talking bout!🤭
He was indeed a none factor. 80s was stacked. The old dudes were on the decline that's why Jordan started winning. Plus the league made rules that would favor Jordan. He got swept lol. G.O.A.T is Bill Russell 11 out of 13 rings. 9 as a player and 2 as a player - coach
Before my time, but I suspect Russell is the correct choice for #1 pick. One on one I pray the other guy picks anybody but Bird and I’ll take him second with Russel to start my team. But if it’s an open draft and I get #1 pick it’s Larry Joe. I can’t risk Bird being on another team.
When you talk about basketball IQ consider that Larry Bird was Rookie of the Year, League MVP (x3), NBA Coach of the Year, and NBA Executive of the Year.
#LB33 ❤🐦 was awesome, my favorite ❤ for life,he passed the torch to the right guy after he retired, I will say that, mj couldn't beat bird 🐦,but mj did learn ,,it took a team ,(huge compliment from me ) 80's and 90's bball NO JOKE ‼️
😂 respect
Bird is 6 years older than Michael. The two playoff sweeps, 1986 and 87, were Michael's second and third seasons (and out 3/4 of the second) at age 22 and 23. It seems unfair to consider their match-ups in those year a reason to put one over the other on a GOAT list.
Both are in my top 10. But my top spot goes to Wilt Chamberlain. He could pass like Joker, was as athletic as the Greek Freak, as big as Embiid, as strong as Shaq.
Well, I would never put one player over another just because of head-to-head matchup’s. There’s a lot to take there like you said. MJ is GOAT for me regardless of how many times someone and their team bested him and his team haha. Wilt I believe has a valid case for GOAT. I find it Funny how people keep sliding him further down the all time list.
@BU TV people slide Wilt lower on the list because they have trouble processing what he could do. Therefore, he must have been playing against 'plumbers'. This is truly an insult to the players of the 1960s. It is especially unfortunate when young Black men say that today, because they are insulting the Black players who were finally getting into the integrated league in large numbers. They also think having only 8-10 teams makes it easier for Wilt, while missing that he played Russell over 140 times in the 10 years their careers overlapped! Magic and Larry played each other about 35 times. Michael played each of them about 35 times.
People also miss that blocks and steals were officially recorded starting after his last season. If they had been recorded since the 1950s, then Wilt and Bill would easily top the list.
We emphasize "availability". Ideally, it would be minutes played as a percentage of a teams minutes. But the easily available stat is career mpg. To really understand this, it helps to look at the percentage of the game's minutes a player sat down, simplified to only use 48 minutes per game:
5%: 45.6 mpg
10%: 43.2 mpg
20%: 38.4 mpg
Larry Bird is at 38.4, so a dozen players sat for 20% or less of the game.
Only one player sat for 10% or less, and he sat for less than 5%! Of course, Wilt, at 4.6%
So consider this:
G) Wilt has the most rebounds, followed closely by Bill and then a big gap to Kareem.
O) Wilt would have the most blocks, followed by Bill, and then a big gap to Hakeem, Kareem, and the rest.
A) Wilt is in the Top-10 in scoring, retiring with the record which he held for almost 2 decades. He is a close second to Michael in ppg.
T) Wilt has the highest career minutes per game [45.80]. And the lowest 'resting percentage'.
once you get to the top 5-10 of NBA of all time, I dont think you can really pick one as the best ever IMO
I think you're right. My favorite is 3 people: Bird, Russell, & Maravich.
MJ has nothing to feel bad about. He tried and put up amazing numbers 👏
Larry and Magic came into and dominated. Jordan needed 5 or 6 yrs and a completely different team. So what Tomas said is mostly true. Jordan didn't win any championships in the 80s. I'm not saying he wasn't a threat because he was.
Bird and Magic dominated in and right out of college.
I love them both. 🐦 is my favorite. But mj is the man
Wish they had more overlapping time
I grew up wanting to be Larry Bird or Magic Johnson then it went to wanting to be Michael Jordan. I can say Jordan will always be my goat but i love all 3 of these guys. They have that Killer instinct that doesn't exist hardly anymore.
Your explanation just convinced me that Jordan was out of his league and only started becoming successful when Bird, Johnson, Irvin etc….were no longer in play.
I think If Mike also had a few more quality players early on to compete with the legendary teams back them it would have helped. Those Bulls rosters were dumster fires mostly lmao. Dude was trying to cut through steaks with butter knives
It was sad to see Bird resting and lying on the sidelines while his back was being rehabbed. You just knew it was a matter of time.
Jordan is the best athlete-skill player ever. While Bird has the best BBall-IQ and able to make the rest of his team an extension of his game plus incredible skills.
Thomas is right, he was a non-factor. You might not agree, but it is the truth, the other stars were the factors. MJ took 6-7 eeasons to win, while Bird took 2 seasons and first season took same team from 29-53 to 61-21 wining Rookie of the year. With all the stars in the 80s Bird became a factor right away
MJ was an incredible athlete, won the DNA lottery and he was able utilize these gifts to the max plus having a no quit mentality paired with hard work ethic. I.e. MJ has hands so big that he is able to grab the ball off the dribble with one hand, but not so big that become cumbersome like Shaqs. I remember everybody was in awe with MJs play, that even the refs changed the rules to favor him. Traveling violations were not called on him, offensive fouls were called defensive fouls when benefited MJ and viceversa. That’s why you have so many people hating on MJ and many adoring him. But one thing is for sure. Everybody agrees that MJ had skills and athleticism way beyond everybody else. If you “TH-cam” traveling violations by MJ, you will find more than one video and none of Birds nor Magic. Guaranteed
Birds IQ and play was focused in being the best with what you have, but also utilize the rest of the player as an extension of his persona, almost like an extra limbs. Here is we’re MJ and Bird differ the most. While MJ was able to overcome any D on his own, Bird did it by being a puppeteer when using teammates. While both players had equal and above all work ethic, Bird has something that nobody in history has (other than his IQ), he was willing to sacrifice his body every single play, he played with a broken back l, he played with a cracked skull and many other injuries, Bird had zero quit on him. He gave it all, after every game he had to be put in a body brace to maintain the stability of his back, had to be massaged for hours before every game, he couldn’t sit on the bench and still went out there and put an all star performance. After his final contract, he had a clause that the contract was going to renew automatically with an insane increase, but he wasn’t take any money if couldn’t give it all, so he retired. The Celtics collapsed right after. I remember there were proposals like play only home games, crazy eh?. But Bird had too much pride. So retirement was the only way.
For me these characteristics make a true GOAT, but people that can’t see beyond rings and skills will always pick MJ before Bird. Not me, not me.
Jordan is like Brady, the best winner of all time in the modern era of basketball. Prime Larry Legend was the guy. Taking Larry over anyone. He owned all the greats during his run. Larryfilledall the stats like no one else. He was padding rebound stats or assist. You can't measure heart or hustle. You can't account for how greatest made his teammates. The energy and confidence they had knowing they had Larry bird on their team. His shooting splits were insane at a time when they didn't really shoot the 3 pointer. He literally saw it the first time in his rookie season.
Go check out the players with the highest win%. Until very recently, Larry & Magic were virtually tied at #1. JORDAN is way down that list.
Winning aside where do you have mike?
@BU_TV unfortunately prob 1st. I'm a larry legend guy. That said, Mike at 1 is hard to argue.
Jordan in 28 games against Bird's Celtics:
33.5ppg on 50.6%FG, 87%FT, 6.1 rbs, 5.8 assists, 2.7 steals 1.1 blocks on only 2.7 turnovers per game....Let's not act like MJ wasn't giving Birds Celtics the business.
Nobody saying that, i know that. In my other video isiah thomas said jordan was a non factor just because he was losing to these teams in the playoffs and I had to check him saying regardless of if Mike loss, he was a beast and you still had to game plan for him and weather the storm.
Yeah coz the celtics basically left him to it coz they knew he was a ball hog.
They played TEAM ball. Easier to guard 5 on 4 then it really doesnt matter what the prima donna scores...
@@sugarnads No that's not the reason bud 🙄
I typed all that before they got to all I Said footage lol. I stopped it at the “Non factor” comment then got lost in my typing because I’m not working this am and it played through on my iPad yesterday well last night BUT I didn’t get to watch it. Got wild and I forgot my iPad takes forever to turn off on its on especially if I have a “playlist” rolling
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Here's another "what if". What if Len Bias didn't die tragically in 1986 just two days after being drafted by the Celtics? Bird said it was "the cruelest thing he had ever heard."
A personal disaster for Bias and his loved ones and a seismic disaster for the league. I still find it shocking.
Man you are right
@@BU_TV 80’s NBA was Fan-tastic! And that wasn’t just a slogan. The league was all but dead when Bird and Johnson came up. Listen to the fans when Larry comes back in that game against Indiana. NBA action was wild and viscerally exciting. It was culturally and politically important for the country. The 90’s were supposed to be Bias vs. MJ, but the air went out of the ball with that tragedy. It became a decade of the denial of grief and of reality. The “Death of a Dream” SI cover is still hauntingly accurate. I am grateful to remember when it really seemed like it wasn’t just a game, but instead the death of Len Bias (the irony of that name) is the forever denied reminder that the late Paul Mooney, another GOAT, was right in that not a damn thing has really changed in America for black men.
If jordan had his championship team in the celtic playoff games, he might have a couple more rings. I respect 23. But love 33.
23:45 look at that scratch on birds neck .
He was warrior
Absolutely. Mj, magic and mf BIRD
One of the best overlooked gift that Larry got from birth was his height.
Dude was taller than I ever thought
Maybe you could do a video about the what ifs list in detail?
Grant Hill, Derek Rose, Larry Bird, Penny hardaway (the second greatest pure pg ive ever seen, better on d than magic), tracy mcgrady, bill walton, who else?...?
I think GOAT Trophy is shared, no clear winner, Like T. Brady. OMO
I don't care what color bird was he could play
He is green forever
I’m born and raised in Chicago. A diehard Bulls with MJ fan. But when it comes to who’s the Goat? First and foremost remains the fact that MJ was swept twice by Larry. Second and most convincing is Larry’s passing abilities. See that video to give it up for MJ in favor of the Hick from French Lick.
Jordan and the Bulls were a non factor in the 80's and didn't win championships until all of the best players were on their way out.
Oh yeah and I agree on He was NOT A NON FACTOR!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAAAA
Double negative!
"Mike was a non factor"
"Those years were his growing pains, he was getting better"
So...he was a non factor in the 80's. Mike's time was after all of the 80's stars were gone or declining. It's not to take away from Mike, it's just being real.
Jordan is only in the running for GOAT for his '90s era. Please note that the 90s era is when all of the other players started retiring from the 80s era. If you were to somehow magically take all of these players and put them into the league at the same age in their prime? Jordan is going to get blown the fuck out every game.
Bird came into league w/ that. MJ had to develop it
MJ NEVER HAD THE MENTAL GAME TO COMPARE TO LARRY BIRD
Bird had the versatility and 4 inches taller than most of the players who went up against. He was almost a center
Agreed...MJ is the GOAT but Bird was also great...In the top 5 of all time
Larry made other players look stupid!
mike kinda had to wait for all the greats to retire lol
and beat other greats
I just wanna say..
When Jordan came into the league he was on his best Bulls team..
Wooldridge, Greenwood, Corzine, can't remember but I think Atrain was there too.
When Bird came in his rookie year he lifted his team like 40 games from the year before.
Mike's team I don't think made the playoffs.
You think that was the best Bulls roster? Also Jordan took them to the playoffs every year
@BU TV i do.
Dailey didn't even start..and he was a beast
Yes, Michael Jordan IS the GOAT. But Larry is certainly up there. I always say my top 2 all time picks are Jordan #1 and Bird #2. (Magic would be my #3 pick fyi). It's important to remember as well that Bird played the MAJORITY of his career with a bad back. He initially injured it in '85 and played 7 years with a bad back.
All facts! I got Larry 3
I'm a Boston and Larry fan. Watched many games in Larry's early years at the Gaaaden as a young high school kid. Jordan is the greatest. Larry is close. If it's any consolation, Larry is the greatest small forward IMO.
I agree with the video. If Larry kept beating the “GOAT” then Larry has a better GOAT claim.
Agree
Larry Legend is THE most COMPLETE player EVER. I take him over EVERYONE. ESPECIALLY MJ.
Remember, Larry has a 70% win record against MJ. Nobody else can say that. And to those who say Larry had the better team I would remind them that by the end of Larry’s career, his back was toast, the Celtics were aging out & injured & MJ had Pippen and it changed NOTHING. Also, the fault can fairly be laid at MJs team’s feet…it was MJs fault that the team didn’t function as a TEAM. He wasn’t a team player! He was a diva gloryhound ball hog who had to be forced to share the ball!
And yes I know that’s going to trigger all the Jordanairs, but I stand behind it.
Oh the Jordan folks are definitely triggered😂 I can agree that Larry was a better play maker, facilitator but your Mike take was saaaaaavage! I cant go all the way there with you!😂 I love your energy
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The fact that you are able to respectfully disagree is ALL. I know I might be in the minority, but I’ll happily die on that hill named Larry Legend.
The Bulls were a none factor. MJ has never been a none factor. You are 100% correct.