0:00 Hi 👋🏻 Most entertainingly, while attempting to write this comment I got a blue screen 🙌🏻 I've got a 14900K on an Asus strix z790-e gaming wifi 2 mb. Had installed BIOS 1503 with, finally 🥳 no problems - then updated to the NEW AND IMPROVED 1602 and have been getting freezes on boot requiring a power supply off/on to fix. And then this blue screen while attempting to write this comment 🟦🙌🏻 Thanks Intel for your diligence regarding this ongoing problem 😼 I've reverted to 1503 🤞🏻
Why cant Intel Just take EVERYONE'S 13th/14th Gen and Tell them when the NEW chipset comes out they will get it for free, OR at least pay shipping.. They want to win BACK all the ppl who LEFT Intel for AMD they should do something like this.. gain TRUST in the company..
Exactly..but they know we actually don't have a choice.. (AMD is in a similar position but at least they stopped to sell damaged goods). Majority Intel/Nvidia users would never buy AMD and they know that. I'm 100% certain many of us wouldn't even know we are on another CPU/GPU but for some reason we are still buying Intel and while we are buying they will sell. (I'm also one of the sheep from the group so I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm just trying to say what we all already knew). I hope that not all CPUs are condemned to die and I really hope something will change but I doubt Intel will change manufacturing process and socket and send CPUs and new MBOs for everyone.. as I said earlier, if everything proves really bad, I hope they will be punished like noone before them
Thanks mate.. I did F14f update which helped me to fix the RAM Placement slots which is supposed to be dual module- finally i just checked for BIOS update f15 for GIGAYTE. PC fan are running stress free and no noise issues...
Intel admitted that there is a hardware flaw with the 13/14th gen. That's the root cause. Nothing will fix that, but they are trying to mitigate it. They should do a full recall.
Yep, it's only all 13/14th gen desktop processors that have the fundamental hardware flaw, not mobile CPUs. The hardware flaw makes it degrade rapidly. Intel is trying to mitigate it. I tried to post a link to their update, but TH-cam keeps blocking my posts. If you read the first two paragraphs you'll see that the root cause is a hardware flaw. Microcode is attempting to mitigate it.
@Ben-f6u6l It is all Raptor Lake. Intel legal must be all over Thomas' posts for exact wording. They were not careful early on in denying the extent. They even blamed first Nvidia, then motherboard manufacturers. This cannot be an evolving discovery at Intel. Thirty years in PC repair, and this is the first time someone in the industry has said maybe don't build with those when 13th gen launched. I do not believe Intel didn't know too. I have a lot of happy customers now with Alder Lake or AMD.
I'm getting an ASUS PRIME Z790-P and an i7-13700F... aside from updating BIOS, which already has the 0x12B microcode, should I do anything else? Or should I play safe and instead get a i9-12900F and accept max ddr5 at 4800 and not 5600?
I own a pc with an asus z790-f wifi gaming mobo and an i9 13900kf, I've had no issues with it since I built the pc back in october 2023, some of the cores would get up to 100c - 95c, now after I updated the bios to 0x12b my temps are much much better, the max temps it goes up to is 85c - 90c while under heavy load! I am actually happy with this update and the performance is awesome. I'll update if I'll be having issues with it.
If your motherboard has yet to receive the BIOS update that fixes the problem, I personally found that reducing the performance core ratio by 2-3 from default in Intel Extreme Tuning Utility regained stability in games that otherwise would crash due to this issue. Please note that this might not fix the problem for everyone, and this is not intended to replace updating your BIOS to the most stable version. I would also heed the warnings within the Extreme Tuning Utility before making any changes, as it can have intended consequences if you do not know what you're doing. Hopefully this helps someone!
This was what I was doing and it allowed me to play games which otherwise would crash.. I updated the bios yesterday and now cpu is overheating and getting thermal throttling even with ETU.
I tried updating to microcode 0x129 and found my 13600K actually became unstable. It was perfectly fine before that. I'd get random lock ups in games and the CPU ran at a higher voltage and temp than the Asus OC profile. I also couldn't overclock to 6GHz with microcode 0x129. I'd get maybe 5.6GHz at most. This is with an EK 240 AIO. I flashed to a BIOS that had microcode 0x123 (from Feb 2024) and all my issues are gone. Back to 100% stable in games and I can OC to 6GHz stable without an issue again. If it's not broke, don't fix it.
hi i have an i5 13600k and i mainly play fortnite and gta 5 sometimes. As its a cpu heavy game i get random stutter in game like it freezes for a second then it goes back to normal, but when i play like gta 5 i dont get any sttutters or so. I have monitored my fps like it would go from 280 to straight to 15-20 fps and goes right back up to 280 capped fps. I have tuf z790 plus wifi ddr5. Ive built my pc back in march of 2024 and at first i had no issues, few months later i had only 2 blue screens so far. Should i update the bios or no? I still have the bios with microcode 0x125 BIOS 1661 (from july 2024) ive updated to this before the new bios with 0x129 came out. Thanks
i'm in a similar boat...I updated my bios to the newest that includes the microcode 0x12b. While CPU temps are more stable I am unable to play through many of games which are now crashing to desktop and then rebooting the PC with black screen. Anyone know of similar situation? Should I roll back? Really hoping my CPU isnt degraded and some switches in the BIOS are just off... I have an I5 13600k.
This is what it says on Asus website for my Z790 bios " 1.Updated with Intel microcode 0x12B to address elevated voltage requests during idle or light activity, further mitigating Vmin Shift instability issues. 2.The option to disable C1E in the BIOS has been removed to ensure it remains enabled, reducing processor stress and maintaining stability per Intel's recommendation. So basically forced speed stepping on at all times constant downclocking of cpu = worse performance.
I've been watching the bios page for my motherboard like a hawk The initial update was likely a bandaid-fix, another should arrive. When it does, the pc gets built same day!
This update text helps explain why my 4 13th gen i9 builds have had no issues. They were setup for productivity so that they can do workloads like Cinebench R23 without thermal throttling. They are limited in power, volts and frequency but run about the same as stock. I did do the x129 update on 3 builds but found that it used more power and volts than my manual setup. I did go back to my settings since they are mine and like my overclocks in the past, I am responsible if anything fails.
Well lawsuits and probes are actually venturing to inquire as to whether they had actionable knowledge prior to consumer availability and marketing, reasonable to assume they knew bc they absolutely tested them.
Here is the thing for all 13900k users (i don''t have 14900k but it should be the same.) 13900k set your PL1 253 and PL2 275W IccMax 307A (you can also set upt 330A) and set your CPU clock to 5.2ghz, E-core 4.1ghz or disable them if you are doing only gaming, e-core does nothing for gamers, cpu vcore offset 1.270v with -0.010 (5.2ghz needs at least 1.255v to run). IA CEP upto your disable or enable. Thumb of rule here is don't let your CPU VCORE go above 1.350v. If you run your CPU @ volt under 1.3000 your CPU will not degrade just don't run your CPU 24x7 on 1.4v it will degrade fast and at 1.5v it will degrade to death in a month. Here is the voltage curve i tested which also stabilizes the CPU core speed. 5.8 ghz = 1.450v (degrade at speed of light) 5.7 ghz = 1.415v (degrader) 5.6 ghz = 1.390v (mild degrader) 5.5 ghz = 1.355v (borderline safe) 5.4 ghz = 1.330v (almost safe) 5.3 ghz = 1.290v (nearly safe) 5.2 ghz = 1.260v ( safe) 5.1ghz = 1.230v (pretty much safe) 5.0 ghz = 1.200v (safe as usa economy)
I have two 13700K systems and both are undervolted by -160mv and -110mv respectively for a stable Prime95 run at 5.3ghz, and Throttlestop shows around 1.25ish volt pretty similar like your results there. But I do not like my CPUs run too hot and inefficient at those speed, so I always set them at 4.9GHz P cores and 3.9GHz E cores for heavy workloads. For light uses like browsing the web, watching videos, etc I set the CPU to 3.4GHz P Core and 2.5GHz E cores for maximum efficiency (using ThrottleStop), it only consumes around 25-30 watts for 50% CPU load and it only consumes 55 watts for Cinebench R23 multithread run, and it still scores 19.7k which is incredible at 55 watts. My 12600K only scores around 17k at max speed and consumes 110ish watts btw. This 13th CPU is crazy efficient though at idle, which can only consume around 2-3 watts with all the power saving features enabled at the BIOS. My only wish is that the CPU can remain efficient when doing light works even though set to Max frequency, without having to manually lower the frequency to get the better efficiency. I'm curious if the latest microcode update would make this CPU more efficient at light usage?
@@chiyolate This is why Intel recommends to keep C1E on & Windows power profile balanced 5% to 100% for CPU management. Idle clock drops to 1.1ghz with volt 0.7xx and on load it goes back to full P-core speed i have set with same volt. 1.4v is not supposed to be the vcore all the time even during loads, it will degrade it fast.
Reposting since it's still worth mentioning. Just like the oxidation issue, the "Vmin Shift Instability" is a separate defect from the main design flaw in Raptor Lake. They keep having Thomas blog out the latest distractions. As with the earlier warranty extension list, all Raptor Lake SKUs are affected by the design flaw, not just "K" SKUs. Intel is still denying HX SKUs are affected based on earlier miscommunications. They pushed Alder Lake architecture too far. Most motherboard manufacturers do not have the latest "fix" implemented in their BIOS yet.
@@TheProvokedPrawn It's not there for the Godlike z790 yet (just checked), The latest for bios was from august 21 129 microcode. Will check every couple of days.
I used my pc last night perfectly fine. Tried using it today and noticed that my cpu utilization was completely shot. I updated the bios and now I feel like throwing out my pc, that spent thousands of dollars, out the fucking window
Coming in late to learning about this but I’ve listened to 8-12 hours worth of info about it. It almost sounds like reports came in so randomly across 2 generations of chips that it genuinely might have taken time to figure it out exactly what was wrong and how to fix it since it was not just a straight forward hardware manufacturing defect for a certain batch of serial numbers
I just bought a ibuypower prebuilt and booted it up it has a i9 13900KF do I have to worry about this? Or did it self update when I set it up? I have no idea where to even download the bio updates.
just learned of these issues a couple days ago after ordering new pc. looking up online is pretty scary, but most places mostly or only talk about K version of 13th and 14th gen. so are non-K version affected differently?
Hi, Just a question, im running an i5 13600KF processor atm the pc is 1 year old and bios has not been updated since i got the pc. I have ran the CinebenchR23 program with the HWinfo and my cpu voltage did not go above 1.23/1.24 the maximum. Would you still do a bios update regardless there is no issue with the CPU? Thanks in advance
No I would not. I am running the 14700k and as long as you know what you are doing along with keeping the bios settings from allowing the CPU to pull more amps/watts and volts you will not need to update. These new updates from 125, 129 and 12b have done nothing but put more Band-Aids over a massive cut that needs stitches. I have mine running 5.3ghz P cores and 4.2ghz E cores, locked VID of 1.245v, 307amps and turned off TVB along with MCE off and set the PL1 to 253w and PL2 to 280. It never even goes to 220w during R23 test run and maxes out around 70c. Never have I see the VID go above 1.245v nor the amps going past 307a. Gaming is more closer to 55-60c.
@@IceWarrior341 Is there a guide out there you know about how to set bios if i dont want any update on it? Just to make sure it stays working as it is. Obv the place i bought my pc from suggest that i should update the bios, so im a bit confused on that
Good morning. So we updated our Msi Godlike z790 with I9 14900ks. And it erased the previous saved bios profiles, disabled the logo on my, disabled all the overclocked settings and changed the look of the EZ Bios. Had to make so many changes. Our P cores are locked @1.35 and oc at 5.9.
@Francisco-Id5kg BIOS flash basics, always record your previous settings or take pics of each screen. Then reset the BIOS to default configuration and clear CMOS before flashing the new BIOS version.
I installed the latest bios with the new microcode on my Asus Strix Z790-H board running a 14700k and noticed quite a jump in cpu temps without changing my custom settings at all (10-15+ degrees C in some games I was like what the heck!)... I manually overclock so leaving settings and voltages on auto/default ain't my thing, after fidling with it I managed to get the temps back in check by lowering input voltage load line calibration and dropping cpu input voltage as well which I had never changed on the old microcode. If you leave everything on auto and don't oc I guess this could fix some problems but for me it just added some... this microcode was not needed in my case since I always set the voltages, clocks and power limits manually.
Same here. With a MSI Z790 Ace MB, and i9-14900K, we are back to square 0, after the new BIOS update with microcode 0x12B. Thermal throttling and 100 C temperatures again, with Intel default profile in BIOS. What a joke!
the problem is that i am scared of updating bios cuz my pc sometimes crashes, i dont know what is the fault but i dont wanna risk bricking my mb just for a bios update, maybe its a psu issue . idk i dont wanna risk anything cuz the pc crashes only once a week or so
another update yesterday :) Update CPU Microcode 0x12B....this was the final from the beta they dropped at the end of September. I have turned E cores off which has helped tremendously, but playing Fortnite hasn't been in an issue. Still pumping out 360hz. Temps seem to be much more stable from this update which questions my sensors from hwinfo64, but from what I see so far, computer is running much cooler.
but after that fix, performance is low :) A system equipped with an Intel Core i9 13900K is shown here to perform 6.5 percent below previous levels in the benchmark program Cinebench R15. Here, the system delivered 314 points in a discipline where typically between 330 and 340 points are scored. This means that the system in that test now performs below AMD's Ryzen 7700 processor. :)
Funny thing, after installing this latest update on an ASUS Z690 Tuf Gaming mb, the FPS on one of my regular old games, using the 14600K / 7900XTX / W11, has virtually doubled, instantaneously, now being almost twice what even the YT CC's had been gettting. So far, this is the only game I've tried since the update, due to time, but I'll be interested to see what it does with the others, when I can. I have data on B-M-W, from before, so that will be something to look at this weekend. That wasn't at all, what I'd expected, which was absolutely 0% difference. Edit: forgot to say what game it was. World of Warplanes, if you must know... Well I still like it 🤪
has anyone been able to determine which builds this applies for? iv looked everywhere. im guessing as this has been going on for over a year, intel would be sending new fixed batches out now, better silicon, no oxidation issues and hopefully no voltage issues. i have updated to the latest bios but wondering if my cpu is not part of this issue? i have an i9-1499kf purchased in sept 2024
I got a aorus z790 elite ax. Mb. Updated bios and everything. But some settings are greyed out. Like enhanced multi core performance. Wich i deff want to turn off. How to fix?
Asus has the update but it's a beta version..... Is it worth updating yet? my i9 14900k is a month old, obviously no issues yet, the bios was up to date when i put the pc together. When working my pc temps are around 35 to 50°c ( i'm an audio mixer/ video colorist ), when gaming around 45 to 65°c ( i have noticed diablo 4 has been heating up the cpu since the new season but it just jumps to around 69°c for a few seconds and backs down to 58) so most things seem normal for the moment. Should i wait for a full officiel release? i will admit "beta" kinda puts me off
Bios update just came in for my rog strix z790-h, which is 2602. Put it under load and my voltage did not exceed 1.52. but the best part about this is that i did not thermal throttle my 13900k. Once this microcode update comes to your motherboard, update it ASAP.
Do you know if the 12900ks is affected? I just sent my 790 xtreme back under warranty. My pc kept turning off under load. I turned on power saver to limit the cpu to 2.5Ghz and it still crashed in cinebench even though the cpu max temp was 45 degrees
I am currently updating my gigabyte z790 and it has been over an hour and still nothing. Fans have been maxed out pretty much the whole time and rgb is on but PC is still not booting. How long is too long?
@@Faustustopheles I ended up having to turn it off mid update which Ik is the last thing ur suppose to do but I didn’t have a choice. Somehow it ended up booting up fine afterwards and the bios was installed. Makes no sense but I’m not gonna complain. I think it might be because my 13900k is fried that it took so long, plan on getting the warranty for it in the near future.
@@jschroeder017 wow. this is not good . I have the i7 14th Gen. I just put the PC together a couple of months ago. I have gotten one weird crash with the blue screen but I wasn't doing anything special. not even a game. but I built it for video editing. I'm not a power user. I don't know know all this jargon. when people say "just do this..." etc... it's not obvious to me. this sucks. I don't don't even understand what the heck is going on.
@@Faustustopheles yeah kinda the same way Iv had to learn a lot. What I do know is that the 13th and 14th gen processors (especially the 13900 and 14900) have a lot of issues with voltages that end up frying them overtime. They released these new BIOS updates to fix the problem but a lot of the time it was too late. Once it’s fried there’s no fixing it all u can do is get a new one.
Was about to update, downloaded it, but now my pc is stuck unable to log into windows. Cant get past “preparing automatic repair”. Not sure what to do. Brand new system. Was getting ready to watercool it too :(
To late for Intel. Have 13900k bought on release on Asus Strix Z790. April 2024 bought another 13900k on z790 Dark Hero. I did not have problems with either, but do have a problem with Intel's approach to taking care of it's consumers. Put both systems in storage and went with 7800x3d and x670e board.
I have a i7 13700F should i update my BIOS to 0x12B or should i just sit on the 0x129 update for awhile? My voltage idles at 0.750 with occasional jumps to 1.3 for a split second.
I am very late to the video, but just updated my bios to 0x12b and came from the previous one F11e. But everytime i start a heavier game i hear a buzzing sound coming from the cpu area of my motherboard. Should i be worried and have it checked out or am i just overreacting. Thanks if you could awnser great video
i have the same motherboard for an upcoming build but is it smarter to use the q flash port in the motherboard before actually installing any components on the board?
Z790 Asus tuf- they uploaded a BETA version for the motherboard with the Intel 0x12B microcode fix. But it says it fixed the elevated voltages during idle- light loads.. but I don't have any issues (or crashes) with that- only with some gaming extra heat (selected games) ni crashing whatsoever..should I still install it, or wait for a stable version? Or just undervolt..
In any other scenarios everyone would tell you - don't flash BIOS if everything is OK but we just don't know if everything is OK untill it's too late. I'm also on Z790 strix gaming and really don't know what to do. Few days ago my 2,5 years old i7 13700KF died, I bought i9 14900KS and if that one dies to..uff, don't even want to imagine that. Problem is - Intel isn't honest and we don't know everything, the question is, do MBO manufacturers knows what's happening, if they are also in a dark we are all fcked
Last night, I had it to where it was telling me that I was downloading programs in the background and nothing was downloading. I literally had to wash out windows with a new update. It was so stupid. Microsoft can kiss it
If It's not too much trouble, can you please make a video of how to do undervolting? I don't know much about it and any video i look up is confusing in one way or another. They either share too little info and i don't know what to do, or share too much info and overwhelm me and i get lost on how to do it.
will this fix my i9 14900k going up to 100c in start up. i bought this pc with a b760 f rog motherboard and the temp is just too high even on start up sometimes i get like 100c and when playing games like ff16 i get like 80-90-100c stable will if i update my bios will this fix the issue? im kinda scared of doing something because i have no idea on what im doing. thank you for any advice and sorry for my bad english
@@TheProvokedPrawn Ugh that sucks. I just got a 13700k but am worried. Even if you update the BIOS to run things at lower voltages, the damage is supposedly already done to the CPU. Is that correct?
They don't have a fix tho. All the microcode does is lower idle voltages, so your CPU ends up degrading in 2 years, instead of 6 months. Go to BIOS and lower your speed so it doesnt shove 1.5volt constantly to achieve that crazy clockspeed bonanza. Intel can fix it, but it would involve scamming users into lower clockspeeds than the one shown on the product packaging.
Have done 0x129 and 0x12B updates and CPU still cooking at 100°. +30° from original temps before BIOS updates… Might just go back to old BIOS - hasn’t fixed anything.
all the tweaks i done is undervolt -offset 0.0450 14900k and enable XMP 1 profile and enabled intel default setting, IDLE temps are 28c-32c, cinebench temps are 78c-82c max. i know if its not broke dont fix but im tempted to keep bios latest. also my CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4X16GB=64GB RAM used to show BSOD so have to increase the volts 1.3000 so not sure if that was the cause of bsod.
hi im in gigabyte B760 ddr4 have the latest update 12b microcode and i got a new chip of i7 13700k about setting do i leave as it is auto or turn again the PL1 and PL2 to specific intel recomended back in augast thats ....my firiend will come and install it on saturday!
Idk why but 0x129 and 0x12B didn't work for me. My 14900k always reached 300watt++, voltage often reach 1.4 to 1.5, and 80c during 40-50% load. I use CB24, my lowest temp 80 and highest 100c. After I reverted both bios to 1202 for asus with same setting, my watt around 180, voltage never pass 1.35, and 55c max during the same load, while CB24 around 72-85. 😢
I have an i912900ks and have had voltage issues its not juat with the 13th-14th gen cpu's i have an msi z790 have juar updates to the lateat bios and still nothing is working for me still gwtting voltage spikes upto 1.6V really starting to piss me off also instantly high temps in benchmarks moat of the time upto 100°c instantly
@TheProvokedPrawn exactly.. I had i7 13700KF and CPU was working fantastic for two years (few months longer then 2 years). One day I turned PC off after playing Wukong for a few hours, no indications anything was different then day before or there's/was problems of any kind- the other day PC couldn't boot, MBO showed red LED for CPU - the CPU was dead. As I don't want to buy AMD and I never will, I bought i9 14900KS and I really hope it won't die, CPU is amazing and it's working really, really fast. I'll try to contact Intel and will see what will they say about that faulty i7 but I just don't have time and patience to send CPU in another part of the world and play games with Intel. They should open few pickup points around the world and pay for all expenses we'll have for sending CPU to that pickup place. (or return money after they inspect CPU and are sure it's CPU what caused problems, nothing else, they should compensate for faulty CPU and all other costs that eventually incurred). And they have to be fast, no one can wait for months or years for a new CPU. Maybe they are just trying to steal few more months but if all 13 and 14 gen CPUs are faulty and Intel knew all this time then there has to be consequences, not just money return. I doubt we'll see something like that (I really hope that's not a case and not all CPU batch are faulty but I'm not sure they will take full responsibility in case they knew and each and every CPU is condemned to the same fate..).
My motherboard has the 2703 update and I dont trust myself to update it due to trust issues and hearing about bricking/breaking my pc & i dont want to do that
I haven’t updated my bios for my i914900k I’m struggling to know the best plan of action, I’ve never done a bios update or know anything about it. Not sure what to also change within bios. The issues I have had is remnant 2 just closing instantly on startup, dbd not working in dx12, few other dx12 issues and Scarlett solo distorted audio issues. Not sure how to fix this, if anyone could help I’d really appreciate it as it’s super stressing.
@@TheProvokedPrawnthank you, the latest bios update notes doesn’t mention the microcode you mentioned, does that mean I get the one before which has it? I’m dreading doing it tbh. I wish I just understood if the issues I’m having are linked to the i914900k issues etc. Will performance be effected after?
Owners of i7/i9 HX mobile CPUs are feeling a bit left out. The HX are repackaged versions of the desktop real thing. How safe is it for someone to update their HX cpu with this 0x12B update?
@@Ash_G I've not seen any reports of problems with the laptop CPUs? I also don't review laptops currently so don't have hands on experience with them enough to be able to say. 🫣🫡
I updated my bios to the newest that includes the microcode 0x12b. While CPU temps are more stable I am unable to play through many of games which are now crashing to desktop and then rebooting the PC with black screen. Anyone know of similar situation? Should I roll back? Really hoping my CPU isnt degraded and some switches in the BIOS are just off... I have an I5 13600k.
@@TheProvokedPrawn ended up getting my cpu rma'd and everything';s working again. i had an i5 13600k and i've heard they are rare at showing signs of degradation in comparison to the i7s/i9s but i guess i may have been part of that early batch of bad i5s lmao
No, all 13/14th gen desktop processors have a fatal design flaw related to the hardware. Intel is trying to mitigate it to avoid doing a recall, but most likely they'll need to do a complete recall soon.
I'd love to but I haven't been able to update my bios for years because the gigabyte app is permabroken (Reinstalling my whole computer did squat) and I've been trying to find a solution for a long time and no online has one, the only person who ever fixed it fixed it by enabling resizable bar which is already enabled .-.
@@TheProvokedPrawn Nope! Qflash says it can't read the file. I've confirmed the dozen or so times I've tried that it's the exact right one and that my flash drive is Fat32 etc.
Should be for all motherboards. Is this yours? www.asus.com/uk/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z790-p/helpdesk_bios?model2Name=PRIME-Z790-P Looks like the 0x129 microcode update is there (so it's worth doing) but not the x12b which will take a while to roll out.
The BIOS update did not resolve the issues; that is my experience. After updating the BIOS, the i9 13900 still keeps crashing and restarting. Piece of 💩.
It isn't supposed to resolve issues on degraded CPUs. Your only hope now is to RMA. The BIOS update prevents it from degrading the CPU in the first place.
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Thanks for the heads up. Just checked for my Asus board, the new update is in beta but because of this video I know to check.
0:00 Hi 👋🏻
Most entertainingly, while attempting to write this comment I got a blue screen 🙌🏻
I've got a 14900K on an Asus strix z790-e gaming wifi 2 mb.
Had installed BIOS 1503 with, finally 🥳 no problems - then updated to the NEW AND IMPROVED 1602 and have been getting freezes on boot requiring a power supply off/on to fix. And then this blue screen while attempting to write this comment 🟦🙌🏻
Thanks Intel for your diligence regarding this ongoing problem 😼
I've reverted to 1503 🤞🏻
Why cant Intel Just take EVERYONE'S 13th/14th Gen and Tell them when the NEW chipset comes out they will get it for free, OR at least pay shipping.. They want to win BACK
all the ppl who LEFT Intel for AMD they should do something like this.. gain TRUST in the company..
Exactly..but they know we actually don't have a choice.. (AMD is in a similar position but at least they stopped to sell damaged goods). Majority Intel/Nvidia users would never buy AMD and they know that. I'm 100% certain many of us wouldn't even know we are on another CPU/GPU but for some reason we are still buying Intel and while we are buying they will sell. (I'm also one of the sheep from the group so I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm just trying to say what we all already knew). I hope that not all CPUs are condemned to die and I really hope something will change but I doubt Intel will change manufacturing process and socket and send CPUs and new MBOs for everyone.. as I said earlier, if everything proves really bad, I hope they will be punished like noone before them
bcs they need to make money, its like ooh the 14th gen is have problems now, go buy the new intel cpu. i dont believe the update will fix its.
Thanks mate.. I did F14f update which helped me to fix the RAM Placement slots which is supposed to be dual module- finally i just checked for BIOS update f15 for GIGAYTE. PC fan are running stress free and no noise issues...
this update just fixed my stuttering issues I've had for 5 months. I9 14900k
nevermind.. the stutters are back again
@@TrunksKun that cpu is dying slowly
@@TrunksKunwhat happened now?
I have an 14900k with an Asus e gaming WiFi 2 z790 and mine died yesterday. Did you find anything?
Intel admitted that there is a hardware flaw with the 13/14th gen. That's the root cause. Nothing will fix that, but they are trying to mitigate it. They should do a full recall.
@@Ben-f6u6l that's half the story. Not all the CPUs have that issue.
Yep, it's only all 13/14th gen desktop processors that have the fundamental hardware flaw, not mobile CPUs. The hardware flaw makes it degrade rapidly. Intel is trying to mitigate it. I tried to post a link to their update, but TH-cam keeps blocking my posts. If you read the first two paragraphs you'll see that the root cause is a hardware flaw. Microcode is attempting to mitigate it.
@Ben-f6u6l It is all Raptor Lake. Intel legal must be all over Thomas' posts for exact wording. They were not careful early on in denying the extent. They even blamed first Nvidia, then motherboard manufacturers. This cannot be an evolving discovery at Intel. Thirty years in PC repair, and this is the first time someone in the industry has said maybe don't build with those when 13th gen launched. I do not believe Intel didn't know too. I have a lot of happy customers now with Alder Lake or AMD.
I'm getting an ASUS PRIME Z790-P and an i7-13700F... aside from updating BIOS, which already has the 0x12B microcode, should I do anything else? Or should I play safe and instead get a i9-12900F and accept max ddr5 at 4800 and not 5600?
@petrofski88 I would not recommend Asus Prime, but if you must, go for Alder Lake, any 12th gen or 13600 non K and down.
“I know we promised we fixed them before, and before….. and before……… and before, but this time is totally different.”
honestly I'm just saving up for a new platform at this point. Thanks intel. I'll be sure never to recommend you to anyone ever again.
I own a pc with an asus z790-f wifi gaming mobo and an i9 13900kf, I've had no issues with it since I built the pc back in october 2023, some of the cores would get up to 100c - 95c, now after I updated the bios to 0x12b my temps are much much better, the max temps it goes up to is 85c - 90c while under heavy load! I am actually happy with this update and the performance is awesome.
I'll update if I'll be having issues with it.
Update ?
@succuled1969 No issues at all, I gotta say it's amazing even!
If your motherboard has yet to receive the BIOS update that fixes the problem, I personally found that reducing the performance core ratio by 2-3 from default in Intel Extreme Tuning Utility regained stability in games that otherwise would crash due to this issue. Please note that this might not fix the problem for everyone, and this is not intended to replace updating your BIOS to the most stable version. I would also heed the warnings within the Extreme Tuning Utility before making any changes, as it can have intended consequences if you do not know what you're doing.
Hopefully this helps someone!
I had been doing this but it would never stay did you have this issue i am at the point where i have deleted unitility tool
This was what I was doing and it allowed me to play games which otherwise would crash.. I updated the bios yesterday and now cpu is overheating and getting thermal throttling even with ETU.
Most motherboards don’t have the update yet
exactly my z790 elite ax doesnt seem to have one either. latest is august 7
The post does say "in the next few weeks". My MSI board has it but in beta so it might be a while.
Sadly true
My Asrock Z790 Nova WiFi had it already.
Asus does
Just had my game crash twice. Seen this video 5 minutes later. Thank you
That might not fix your crashing, it's meant to stop newer cpus from degrading
Even my league of legends lags and chrash efter this update .
I tried updating to microcode 0x129 and found my 13600K actually became unstable. It was perfectly fine before that. I'd get random lock ups in games and the CPU ran at a higher voltage and temp than the Asus OC profile. I also couldn't overclock to 6GHz with microcode 0x129. I'd get maybe 5.6GHz at most. This is with an EK 240 AIO. I flashed to a BIOS that had microcode 0x123 (from Feb 2024) and all my issues are gone. Back to 100% stable in games and I can OC to 6GHz stable without an issue again. If it's not broke, don't fix it.
hi i have an i5 13600k and i mainly play fortnite and gta 5 sometimes. As its a cpu heavy game i get random stutter in game like it freezes for a second then it goes back to normal, but when i play like gta 5 i dont get any sttutters or so. I have monitored my fps like it would go from 280 to straight to 15-20 fps and goes right back up to 280 capped fps. I have tuf z790 plus wifi ddr5. Ive built my pc back in march of 2024 and at first i had no issues, few months later i had only 2 blue screens so far. Should i update the bios or no? I still have the bios with microcode 0x125 BIOS 1661 (from july 2024) ive updated to this before the new bios with 0x129 came out. Thanks
0x123 is better for 13th gen i5 and i7
@@GuidoDePalma Do you mean I7 and I9? Apparently, only those chips are affected, I5's should be fine. My i5 13600k doesn't have any issues.
@@paulgill4826 no most i7 also don’t have issues. First two patches addressed only i9 tvb
i'm in a similar boat...I updated my bios to the newest that includes the microcode 0x12b. While CPU temps are more stable I am unable to play through many of games which are now crashing to desktop and then rebooting the PC with black screen. Anyone know of similar situation? Should I roll back? Really hoping my CPU isnt degraded and some switches in the BIOS are just off... I have an I5 13600k.
This is what it says on Asus website for my Z790 bios
" 1.Updated with Intel microcode 0x12B to address elevated voltage requests during idle or light activity, further mitigating Vmin Shift instability issues.
2.The option to disable C1E in the BIOS has been removed to ensure it remains enabled, reducing processor stress and maintaining stability per Intel's recommendation.
So basically forced speed stepping on at all times constant downclocking of cpu = worse performance.
I've been watching the bios page for my motherboard like a hawk
The initial update was likely a bandaid-fix, another should arrive. When it does, the pc gets built same day!
This update text helps explain why my 4 13th gen i9 builds have had no issues.
They were setup for productivity so that they can do workloads like Cinebench R23 without thermal throttling. They are limited in power, volts and frequency but run about the same as stock.
I did do the x129 update on 3 builds but found that it used more power and volts than my manual setup.
I did go back to my settings since they are mine and like my overclocks in the past, I am responsible if anything fails.
MSI fixed it with the i9 14900 HX... The problem was too much voltage was being allowed...
They couldn't maybe test these chips before sending them out to customers???
Well lawsuits and probes are actually venturing to inquire as to whether they had actionable knowledge prior to consumer availability and marketing, reasonable to assume they knew bc they absolutely tested them.
Here is the thing for all 13900k users (i don''t have 14900k but it should be the same.) 13900k set your PL1 253 and PL2 275W IccMax 307A (you can also set upt 330A) and set your CPU clock to 5.2ghz, E-core 4.1ghz or disable them if you are doing only gaming, e-core does nothing for gamers, cpu vcore offset 1.270v with -0.010 (5.2ghz needs at least 1.255v to run). IA CEP upto your disable or enable.
Thumb of rule here is don't let your CPU VCORE go above 1.350v. If you run your CPU @ volt under 1.3000 your CPU will not degrade just don't run your CPU 24x7 on 1.4v it will degrade fast and at 1.5v it will degrade to death in a month.
Here is the voltage curve i tested which also stabilizes the CPU core speed.
5.8 ghz = 1.450v (degrade at speed of light)
5.7 ghz = 1.415v (degrader)
5.6 ghz = 1.390v (mild degrader)
5.5 ghz = 1.355v (borderline safe)
5.4 ghz = 1.330v (almost safe)
5.3 ghz = 1.290v (nearly safe)
5.2 ghz = 1.260v ( safe)
5.1ghz = 1.230v (pretty much safe)
5.0 ghz = 1.200v (safe as usa economy)
I have two 13700K systems and both are undervolted by -160mv and -110mv respectively for a stable Prime95 run at 5.3ghz, and Throttlestop shows around 1.25ish volt pretty similar like your results there. But I do not like my CPUs run too hot and inefficient at those speed, so I always set them at 4.9GHz P cores and 3.9GHz E cores for heavy workloads.
For light uses like browsing the web, watching videos, etc I set the CPU to 3.4GHz P Core and 2.5GHz E cores for maximum efficiency (using ThrottleStop), it only consumes around 25-30 watts for 50% CPU load and it only consumes 55 watts for Cinebench R23 multithread run, and it still scores 19.7k which is incredible at 55 watts. My 12600K only scores around 17k at max speed and consumes 110ish watts btw.
This 13th CPU is crazy efficient though at idle, which can only consume around 2-3 watts with all the power saving features enabled at the BIOS.
My only wish is that the CPU can remain efficient when doing light works even though set to Max frequency, without having to manually lower the frequency to get the better efficiency. I'm curious if the latest microcode update would make this CPU more efficient at light usage?
Nonsense
@@chiyolate This is why Intel recommends to keep C1E on & Windows power profile balanced 5% to 100% for CPU management. Idle clock drops to 1.1ghz with volt 0.7xx and on load it goes back to full P-core speed i have set with same volt. 1.4v is not supposed to be the vcore all the time even during loads, it will degrade it fast.
Reposting since it's still worth mentioning. Just like the oxidation issue, the "Vmin Shift Instability" is a separate defect from the main design flaw in Raptor Lake. They keep having Thomas blog out the latest distractions. As with the earlier warranty extension list, all Raptor Lake SKUs are affected by the design flaw, not just "K" SKUs. Intel is still denying HX SKUs are affected based on earlier miscommunications. They pushed Alder Lake architecture too far. Most motherboard manufacturers do not have the latest "fix" implemented in their BIOS yet.
So an update past 129 microcode. Will wait to see if that pops up. Thanks for the heads up.
It's already in beta for my MSI motherboard, but apparently it might take a few weeks to appear more widely.
@@TheProvokedPrawn It's not there for the Godlike z790 yet (just checked), The latest for bios was from august 21 129 microcode. Will check every couple of days.
Yes, but Asus update for Asus Z790 Hero is a beta Bios update. I will wait. until its not Beta.
Same for the ROG Maximus Z690 Hero. I'm still on 0x125 microcode (BIOS 3701 for my board), been seeing no issues thus far.
I used my pc last night perfectly fine. Tried using it today and noticed that my cpu utilization was completely shot. I updated the bios and now I feel like throwing out my pc, that spent thousands of dollars, out the fucking window
What a big mess!! I think the worst part was watching Intel try to skirt around talking responsibility
Coming in late to learning about this but I’ve listened to 8-12 hours worth of info about it. It almost sounds like reports came in so randomly across 2 generations of chips that it genuinely might have taken time to figure it out exactly what was wrong and how to fix it since it was not just a straight forward hardware manufacturing defect for a certain batch of serial numbers
Hallo just a quick question, IA CEP enabled or disabled? cheers
I just bought a ibuypower prebuilt and booted it up it has a i9 13900KF do I have to worry about this? Or did it self update when I set it up? I have no idea where to even download the bio updates.
I'd ask ibuypower if you don't know what motherboard you have
@@TheProvokedPrawn it says I have pro z790-p
MSI I think that’s what you mean
just learned of these issues a couple days ago after ordering new pc. looking up online is pretty scary, but most places mostly or only talk about K version of 13th and 14th gen. so are non-K version affected differently?
Hi,
Just a question, im running an i5 13600KF processor atm the pc is 1 year old and bios has not been updated since i got the pc. I have ran the CinebenchR23 program with the HWinfo and my cpu voltage did not go above 1.23/1.24 the maximum. Would you still do a bios update regardless there is no issue with the CPU?
Thanks in advance
Intel says i5 processors are not affected community.intel.com/t5/Processors/Intel-Core-13-14th-Gen-Instability-Update-Future-Products/m-p/1627440
No I would not. I am running the 14700k and as long as you know what you are doing along with keeping the bios settings from allowing the CPU to pull more amps/watts and volts you will not need to update. These new updates from 125, 129 and 12b have done nothing but put more Band-Aids over a massive cut that needs stitches. I have mine running 5.3ghz P cores and 4.2ghz E cores, locked VID of 1.245v, 307amps and turned off TVB along with MCE off and set the PL1 to 253w and PL2 to 280. It never even goes to 220w during R23 test run and maxes out around 70c. Never have I see the VID go above 1.245v nor the amps going past 307a. Gaming is more closer to 55-60c.
@@IceWarrior341 Is there a guide out there you know about how to set bios if i dont want any update on it? Just to make sure it stays working as it is. Obv the place i bought my pc from suggest that i should update the bios, so im a bit confused on that
@@TheProvokedPrawn I think it says i5 non-K processors, mine is a i5 13600 KF
Good morning. So we updated our Msi Godlike z790 with I9 14900ks. And it erased the previous saved bios profiles, disabled the logo on my, disabled all the overclocked settings and changed the look of the EZ Bios. Had to make so many changes. Our P cores are locked @1.35 and oc at 5.9.
@Francisco-Id5kg BIOS flash basics, always record your previous settings or take pics of each screen. Then reset the BIOS to default configuration and clear CMOS before flashing the new BIOS version.
I installed the latest bios with the new microcode on my Asus Strix Z790-H board running a 14700k and noticed quite a jump in cpu temps without changing my custom settings at all (10-15+ degrees C in some games I was like what the heck!)... I manually overclock so leaving settings and voltages on auto/default ain't my thing, after fidling with it I managed to get the temps back in check by lowering input voltage load line calibration and dropping cpu input voltage as well which I had never changed on the old microcode. If you leave everything on auto and don't oc I guess this could fix some problems but for me it just added some... this microcode was not needed in my case since I always set the voltages, clocks and power limits manually.
Same here. With a MSI Z790 Ace MB, and i9-14900K, we are back to square 0, after the new BIOS update with microcode 0x12B. Thermal throttling and 100 C temperatures again, with Intel default profile in BIOS. What a joke!
the problem is that i am scared of updating bios cuz my pc sometimes crashes, i dont know what is the fault but i dont wanna risk bricking my mb just for a bios update, maybe its a psu issue . idk i dont wanna risk anything cuz the pc crashes only once a week or so
another update yesterday :) Update CPU Microcode 0x12B....this was the final from the beta they dropped at the end of September. I have turned E cores off which has helped tremendously, but playing Fortnite hasn't been in an issue. Still pumping out 360hz. Temps seem to be much more stable from this update which questions my sensors from hwinfo64, but from what I see so far, computer is running much cooler.
but after that fix, performance is low :)
A system equipped with an Intel Core i9 13900K is shown here to perform 6.5 percent below previous levels in the benchmark program Cinebench R15.
Here, the system delivered 314 points in a discipline where typically between 330 and 340 points are scored.
This means that the system in that test now performs below AMD's Ryzen 7700 processor. :)
Funny thing, after installing this latest update on an ASUS Z690 Tuf Gaming mb, the FPS on one of my regular old games, using the 14600K / 7900XTX / W11, has virtually doubled, instantaneously, now being almost twice what even the YT CC's had been gettting. So far, this is the only game I've tried since the update, due to time, but I'll be interested to see what it does with the others, when I can. I have data on B-M-W, from before, so that will be something to look at this weekend. That wasn't at all, what I'd expected, which was absolutely 0% difference. Edit: forgot to say what game it was. World of Warplanes, if you must know... Well I still like it 🤪
Save your bitlocker keys before you do this. Just learning the hard way! Just seeing if I can roll back bios else I’m rebuilding profiles.
has anyone been able to determine which builds this applies for? iv looked everywhere. im guessing as this has been going on for over a year, intel would be sending new fixed batches out now, better silicon, no oxidation issues and hopefully no voltage issues. i have updated to the latest bios but wondering if my cpu is not part of this issue? i have an i9-1499kf purchased in sept 2024
Not sure tbh. I've not seen word on that.
I got a aorus z790 elite ax. Mb. Updated bios and everything. But some settings are greyed out. Like enhanced multi core performance. Wich i deff want to turn off. How to fix?
I bought yesterday i9 14900KF and Asus Apex Encore MB, if I update BIOS I’ll be safe? :)
Should be
@ I bought too RL Asus Ryujiin III 360mm, you think is fine?
Asus has the update but it's a beta version..... Is it worth updating yet? my i9 14900k is a month old, obviously no issues yet, the bios was up to date when i put the pc together. When working my pc temps are around 35 to 50°c ( i'm an audio mixer/ video colorist ), when gaming around 45 to 65°c ( i have noticed diablo 4 has been heating up the cpu since the new season but it just jumps to around 69°c for a few seconds and backs down to 58) so most things seem normal for the moment. Should i wait for a full officiel release? i will admit "beta" kinda puts me off
Bios update just came in for my rog strix z790-h, which is 2602. Put it under load and my voltage did not exceed 1.52. but the best part about this is that i did not thermal throttle my 13900k.
Once this microcode update comes to your motherboard, update it ASAP.
👍
By any chance, does this new microcode update help with temps? My 13900k hovered over 85C-90C until i decided to undervolt it.
I’ll pass. The bios update bricked my entire pc. I’d rather it catch on fire. It’s under warranty anyway
Do you know if the 12900ks is affected? I just sent my 790 xtreme back under warranty. My pc kept turning off under load. I turned on power saver to limit the cpu to 2.5Ghz and it still crashed in cinebench even though the cpu max temp was 45 degrees
I am currently updating my gigabyte z790 and it has been over an hour and still nothing. Fans have been maxed out pretty much the whole time and rgb is on but PC is still not booting. How long is too long?
did it work? I have that style mb...
@@Faustustopheles I ended up having to turn it off mid update which Ik is the last thing ur suppose to do but I didn’t have a choice. Somehow it ended up booting up fine afterwards and the bios was installed. Makes no sense but I’m not gonna complain. I think it might be because my 13900k is fried that it took so long, plan on getting the warranty for it in the near future.
@@jschroeder017 wow. this is not good . I have the i7 14th Gen. I just put the PC together a couple of months ago. I have gotten one weird crash with the blue screen but I wasn't doing anything special. not even a game. but I built it for video editing. I'm not a power user. I don't know know all this jargon. when people say "just do this..." etc... it's not obvious to me. this sucks. I don't don't even understand what the heck is going on.
@@Faustustopheles yeah kinda the same way Iv had to learn a lot. What I do know is that the 13th and 14th gen processors (especially the 13900 and 14900) have a lot of issues with voltages that end up frying them overtime. They released these new BIOS updates to fix the problem but a lot of the time it was too late. Once it’s fried there’s no fixing it all u can do is get a new one.
@@jschroeder017 ok. thank you for explaining this. I'll look into it.
Was about to update, downloaded it, but now my pc is stuck unable to log into windows. Cant get past “preparing automatic repair”. Not sure what to do. Brand new system. Was getting ready to watercool it too :(
Reset cmos
Any news? Have you tried what comment above said? Unplug power, remove battery and reset CMOS.. any update?
To late for Intel. Have 13900k bought on release on Asus Strix Z790. April 2024 bought another 13900k on z790 Dark Hero. I did not have problems with either, but do have a problem with Intel's approach to taking care of it's consumers. Put both systems in storage and went with 7800x3d and x670e board.
Do you recommend updating to the beta version or should we wait for it to get out of beta ?
Probably wait
hey any would you could just tell me if laptop processors are affected as well. im in the market for a new gaming laptop....
Intel says no. But I've no direct experience
Asus had put out an update that fixed the problem, but they just released a new beta version bios update 2 days ago
I have a i7 13700F should i update my BIOS to 0x12B or should i just sit on the 0x129 update for awhile? My voltage idles at 0.750 with occasional jumps to 1.3 for a split second.
CPU max volts 1.5 on cinebench should RMA?
Q: I ddu my Intel graphics adapter by accident now I can't get it back to install, getting error code 8. Any fix to install it back?
I am very late to the video, but just updated my bios to 0x12b and came from the previous one F11e. But everytime i start a heavier game i hear a buzzing sound coming from the cpu area of my motherboard. Should i be worried and have it checked out or am i just overreacting. Thanks if you could awnser great video
The two games i tested to start were FiveM (gta5 roleplay) and Black-ops 3, and a electric buzzing sound could be heard everytime
It’s confirmed. I’m sticking with AMD cpus for the next 2 years, at least.
i have the same motherboard for an upcoming build but is it smarter to use the q flash port in the motherboard before actually installing any components on the board?
I've not done it but I think you can
@@TheProvokedPrawn okay thank you! i have to check it out
Z790 Asus tuf- they uploaded a BETA version for the motherboard with the Intel 0x12B microcode fix. But it says it fixed the elevated voltages during idle- light loads.. but I don't have any issues (or crashes) with that- only with some gaming extra heat (selected games) ni crashing whatsoever..should I still install it, or wait for a stable version? Or just undervolt..
In any other scenarios everyone would tell you - don't flash BIOS if everything is OK but we just don't know if everything is OK untill it's too late. I'm also on Z790 strix gaming and really don't know what to do. Few days ago my 2,5 years old i7 13700KF died, I bought i9 14900KS and if that one dies to..uff, don't even want to imagine that. Problem is - Intel isn't honest and we don't know everything, the question is, do MBO manufacturers knows what's happening, if they are also in a dark we are all fcked
Last night, I had it to where it was telling me that I was downloading programs in the background and nothing was downloading. I literally had to wash out windows with a new update. It was so stupid. Microsoft can kiss it
i did the latest update but still shitt high temps.. runs at 140w and 79-90 on temps.. man it sucks
Pretty sure I got called out in the comments of one of your earlier videos for "overreacting" to how bad this Intel CPU issue was.
its definitely an overreaction fueled by AMD fanboys online
@@theendurance spoken like a true Intel fanboy.
If It's not too much trouble, can you please make a video of how to do undervolting? I don't know much about it and any video i look up is confusing in one way or another. They either share too little info and i don't know what to do, or share too much info and overwhelm me and i get lost on how to do it.
This might be the easiest way I've found that's universal th-cam.com/video/jP7nERdD-Gk/w-d-xo.html
@TheProvokedPrawn thank you for this. But is this basically the same as doing it from the bios or are there any major differences?
will this fix my i9 14900k going up to 100c in start up. i bought this pc with a b760 f rog motherboard and the temp is just too high even on start up sometimes i get like 100c and when playing games like ff16 i get like 80-90-100c stable will if i update my bios will this fix the issue? im kinda scared of doing something because i have no idea on what im doing. thank you for any advice and sorry for my bad english
Bios update could help but if it's immediately going to 100 degrees I'd say there's something wrong with your cooler or it's installation
Is this specifically a desktop issue? I have been wondering if this is worth installing on a laptop with the i9-13900H
Intel says it is and I've not seen reports saying otherwise
@@TheProvokedPrawn As in it's only a desktop issue?
Thanks for answering mate.
The update for my board (mag tomahawk wifi) is still in beta, so I'll wait until it's not, since I don't use my pc too often
it seems like I can't undervolt anymore after latest bios update Version 3901 on asus z690??????
Did you have any of the aforementioned issues in your intel builds?
I had crashes with one of my machines that were fixed with bios updates yes
@@TheProvokedPrawn Ugh that sucks. I just got a 13700k but am worried. Even if you update the BIOS to run things at lower voltages, the damage is supposedly already done to the CPU. Is that correct?
Prawn dog! What oled monitor do i buy? No curved (i got the old g9) just pure 4k oled on the biggest screen possible? Thanks in advance!
hey Steve. Alas I don't review enough monitors to give you a good answer there. I've heard that Alienware's monitors are very good though
i have i9 14900k and my cinebench r23 score degraded about to 4,000 what to do multi score score i am talking about
It will have a worse score unfortunately but at least it won't break
They don't have a fix tho. All the microcode does is lower idle voltages, so your CPU ends up degrading in 2 years, instead of 6 months. Go to BIOS and lower your speed so it doesnt shove 1.5volt constantly to achieve that crazy clockspeed bonanza. Intel can fix it, but it would involve scamming users into lower clockspeeds than the one shown on the product packaging.
Have done 0x129 and 0x12B updates and CPU still cooking at 100°.
+30° from original temps before BIOS updates…
Might just go back to old BIOS - hasn’t fixed anything.
ROG STRIX Z690-F GAMING WIFI BIOS 3701
all the tweaks i done is undervolt -offset 0.0450 14900k and enable XMP 1 profile and enabled intel default setting, IDLE temps are 28c-32c, cinebench temps are 78c-82c max. i know if its not broke dont fix but im tempted to keep bios latest. also my CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4X16GB=64GB RAM used to show BSOD so have to increase the volts 1.3000 so not sure if that was the cause of bsod.
hi im in gigabyte B760 ddr4 have the latest update 12b microcode and i got a new chip of i7 13700k about setting do i leave as it is auto or turn again the PL1 and PL2 to specific intel recomended back in augast thats ....my firiend will come and install it on saturday!
Thank you.
Welcome!
Idk why but 0x129 and 0x12B didn't work for me. My 14900k always reached 300watt++, voltage often reach 1.4 to 1.5, and 80c during 40-50% load. I use CB24, my lowest temp 80 and highest 100c. After I reverted both bios to 1202 for asus with same setting, my watt around 180, voltage never pass 1.35, and 55c max during the same load, while CB24 around 72-85. 😢
Is this still required if I'm running a manual OC?
My update is still in beta. Should I use that, or wait until the official release?
never use betas
My latest on the MSI website is 9/9/24 is that the newest or has something come out in the last few days ?
Does it mention 0x12b?
Nope, 0x129 .. I’ll be on the lookout
Battlecruizer Guy? Click and thock? I like all your channels then. Thnx for all the vids.
I've no idea what those things are
What's the performance loss ?
I just updated and my motherboard has been black screen for over an hour
I have an i912900ks and have had voltage issues its not juat with the 13th-14th gen cpu's i have an msi z790 have juar updates to the lateat bios and still nothing is working for me still gwtting voltage spikes upto 1.6V really starting to piss me off also instantly high temps in benchmarks moat of the time upto 100°c instantly
My i7 14th gen working cool and stable....with old bios
The point is though that it might be now but it won't be in future.
@TheProvokedPrawn exactly.. I had i7 13700KF and CPU was working fantastic for two years (few months longer then 2 years). One day I turned PC off after playing Wukong for a few hours, no indications anything was different then day before or there's/was problems of any kind- the other day PC couldn't boot, MBO showed red LED for CPU - the CPU was dead. As I don't want to buy AMD and I never will, I bought i9 14900KS and I really hope it won't die, CPU is amazing and it's working really, really fast. I'll try to contact Intel and will see what will they say about that faulty i7 but I just don't have time and patience to send CPU in another part of the world and play games with Intel. They should open few pickup points around the world and pay for all expenses we'll have for sending CPU to that pickup place. (or return money after they inspect CPU and are sure it's CPU what caused problems, nothing else, they should compensate for faulty CPU and all other costs that eventually incurred). And they have to be fast, no one can wait for months or years for a new CPU. Maybe they are just trying to steal few more months but if all 13 and 14 gen CPUs are faulty and Intel knew all this time then there has to be consequences, not just money return. I doubt we'll see something like that (I really hope that's not a case and not all CPU batch are faulty but I'm not sure they will take full responsibility in case they knew and each and every CPU is condemned to the same fate..).
My Intel cpu crashed so many times, 13900k btw
What temps are you running at?
My motherboard has the 2703 update and I dont trust myself to update it due to trust issues and hearing about bricking/breaking my pc & i dont want to do that
I have a asrock z790 pg riptide. Do i have to update the microcode and bios separate or does it do them together in the bios update?
the bios updates you referenced was over a year old 9/23/23
NO, see here community.intel.com/t5/Blogs/Tech-Innovation/Client/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Desktop-Instability-Root-Cause/post/1633239
I haven’t updated my bios for my i914900k I’m struggling to know the best plan of action, I’ve never done a bios update or know anything about it. Not sure what to also change within bios.
The issues I have had is remnant 2 just closing instantly on startup, dbd not working in dx12, few other dx12 issues and Scarlett solo distorted audio issues.
Not sure how to fix this, if anyone could help I’d really appreciate it as it’s super stressing.
The latest bios is designed to make life easier with default settings
@@TheProvokedPrawnthank you, the latest bios update notes doesn’t mention the microcode you mentioned, does that mean I get the one before which has it? I’m dreading doing it tbh.
I wish I just understood if the issues I’m having are linked to the i914900k issues etc.
Will performance be effected after?
My memory was stable at 7200mhz but with the latest update i have a hard time getting stable at 6600
Dell does! Do it ASAP
Thanks. I just updated this a week ago not I have to do it again.
is this update good ?
@@nsq-jj6py Not sure. My computer was still hanging after the last one. Time will tell.
Owners of i7/i9 HX mobile CPUs are feeling a bit left out. The HX are repackaged versions of the desktop real thing. How safe is it for someone to update their HX cpu with this 0x12B update?
Intel has said mobile CPUs are unaffected
@@TheProvokedPrawn You believe that? I was actually expecting a technical reply from you and not an Intel press release. 🫤
@@Ash_G I've not seen any reports of problems with the laptop CPUs? I also don't review laptops currently so don't have hands on experience with them enough to be able to say. 🫣🫡
I updated my bios to the newest that includes the microcode 0x12b. While CPU temps are more stable I am unable to play through many of games which are now crashing to desktop and then rebooting the PC with black screen. Anyone know of similar situation? Should I roll back? Really hoping my CPU isnt degraded and some switches in the BIOS are just off... I have an I5 13600k.
Oh dear that's not great. I've not heard of that issue. Assuming it was working fine before maybe you could try an earlier one?
@@TheProvokedPrawn ended up getting my cpu rma'd and everything';s working again. i had an i5 13600k and i've heard they are rare at showing signs of degradation in comparison to the i7s/i9s but i guess i may have been part of that early batch of bad i5s lmao
I have a i9-12900KF 12th Gen should I update?
based on what I know, only 13th and 14th gen are impacted and you're fine.,
@@TheProvokedPrawn surprisingly quick response haha I can go to sleep now thank you!
is I7 13 or 14th gen safe ??
No, all 13/14th gen desktop processors have a fatal design flaw related to the hardware. Intel is trying to mitigate it to avoid doing a recall, but most likely they'll need to do a complete recall soon.
This is ALL RIDICULOUS. I got i9 13th gen
I'd love to but I haven't been able to update my bios for years because the gigabyte app is permabroken (Reinstalling my whole computer did squat) and I've been trying to find a solution for a long time and no online has one, the only person who ever fixed it fixed it by enabling resizable bar which is already enabled .-.
Can't you update it via the bios instead
@@TheProvokedPrawn Nope! Qflash says it can't read the file. I've confirmed the dozen or so times I've tried that it's the exact right one and that my flash drive is Fat32 etc.
Hp envy 13900h dont have the update
totally bricked my cpu . Voltages over 1.490 volts with the new update ,
Is that asus update for the z790-p?
Should be for all motherboards. Is this yours? www.asus.com/uk/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z790-p/helpdesk_bios?model2Name=PRIME-Z790-P
Looks like the 0x129 microcode update is there (so it's worth doing) but not the x12b which will take a while to roll out.
It’s all fiddly
The BIOS update did not resolve the issues; that is my experience. After updating the BIOS, the i9 13900 still keeps crashing and restarting.
Piece of 💩.
It isn't supposed to resolve issues on degraded CPUs. Your only hope now is to RMA. The BIOS update prevents it from degrading the CPU in the first place.
So do I need to update one at a time from wen the codes started? ?
Grab the latest one
@TheProvokedPrawn my pc switched off will it come back on by itself?
@@stevenstratton6930 should do
@TheProvokedPrawn ok thanks. I know it can take some time but it's been off for about 15 minutes
@TheProvokedPrawn sorted it now and the temps seem to have gone up a little from the last bios update