This HAS To STOP! Modding Watches Is Going Too Far
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- I’m this video, which is more of a rant, we discuss how modding watches have created replica watches..
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Or you could just chill and let people do what they want with their money and items. Modifying a watch doesn't affect you. 😉
You’re right 🤷🏻♂️
Correct. As long as they list it as MODDED and not authentic I don't care.
The problem is down the road when the 4th owner doesn't know and lists it as authentic.
Gotta agree. Imagine building a hot rod and someone telling you what motor you have to use. It’s the people who try to sell these off as genuine watches. Those are the plague.
It depends if principles do matter or not... We wouldn't let people abuse their own children because "that's their children"
My example is extreme but do you see the idea? Adding those labeled dials makes those watches replica.
Agee with this video.
Its simple, homage is fun, mod is fun, fake is bad.
As long as you don't sell them as something else, i see no problem with it. I've made 30+ mods for myself and my family and i like it. Even Seiko logo is ok and i hear Seiko has no problem with it since we market their brand for free. It's better to have a Seiko dial with a Seiko movement, than a Rolex dial with Seiko or some chinese clone movement!
For me I get that. Don’t care about the “Seiko” name. But when you start selling modded watches with grand seiko dials and JLC dials…. That’s not modded at that point. I’m my opinion
@@allthingsrandom8137 Your reasoning is flawed. Think about how you don't care if someone makes a build using the "Seiko" TM, but in the same sentence say its not ok to use other trade brands like GS or JLC? That makes no sense.
@@designated_hitter_EGA if you stick an aftermarket honda sticker on a honda its still a honda .....
@@UNDERGROUNDCALLING0161 that's not what we are talking about: reading comprehension is key to not sounding stupid. Before you open your mouth and voice an opinion about what someone wrote, you must first comprehend what that person is saying.
@@designated_hitter_EGA I was agreeing to the comment above that said he doesn't like it when people put grand Seiko dials on mod watches , by making the statement " a Honda is still a Honda with an aftermarket sticker on" , one would assume that a Honda with a ferarri decal inauthentic, I'm sorry you couldn't grasp what I was saying before opening your mouth
We don't need to gatekeep modding watches, if anything, we should be encouraging more people to get into watch making/modding/restoration.
I’m not saying there needs a gate keeper for modded watches. I don’t care about modded watches what I care about. Is the perception that it’s a fake watch. There comes a point where now you’ve created a fake it’s not just a modded watch. It’s a replica.
@@allthingsrandom8137 if it runs its not "fake watch" and if someone wants to build a replica and wear it who should give a rats azz .
@@allthingsrandom8137 Who cares, to each their own.
@@LordRobbertIn certain civilized countries it’s called trademark infringement and illegal.
It’s only a fake watch if you wanna sell it as an original. You can build any tribute product/ watch you want (non profit).
Ferraris lawyers hate that trick
I bought one out of curiosity...SEIKO sub mod.
And I put it under lots of staff...underwater etc...
And seeing how durable and accurate is, I feel a bit strange giving all this money for my other watches..
Just saying now...
I think modding in order to replicate a watch and then try to sell it for more than it’s worth is wrong. However, building a mod watch into something that will last just as long as these hyper expensive watches for a fraction of the price is pretty damn awesome. I don’t make the money to own a hyper expensive watch, so I just build myself one that will hold up and last just as long.
People tend to be confused what is the different between Seiko mod vs Aliexpress watch. Seiko mod is when you mod your Seiko that you bought from Seiko and not building it from the ground up using Aliexpress parts.
Agreed. A custom build is not the same thing as a 'mod.' If I buy a collection of parts from Aliexpress and assemble it into something I think is cool, that is a custom build. If I buy a Seiko watch and swap out handset, bezel, chapter rings, etc, because I think it would be cooler or more unique that way, that is a mod. If I try to sell either one to someone else without telling them exactly what it really is, that's lying and deceiving the customer.
I think this is exactly why some people freak out about Aliexpres watches but I could care less until they become 1*1 copies and at that point I have trouble putting them in my collection especially the super high end ones Anyways as long as nobody's trying to pass them off as Genuine and ripping off an unsuspecting buyer That's a crime IMO Great topic Sir should ruffle some feathers out there Thanks for sharing as always and Stay Frosty 👍
Thanks! Oh I’m sure it will..
Eh, I don’t get too worked up about this. I mod/build my own watches for fun. I like to mix & match branded dials with different cases, crystals, and straps. I don’t sell them, and I don’t buy mods/builds from other people. So I’m ambivalent. To your example about that GS “mod”? Well, if I wanted that, I would just get the parts and build it myself. If anyone asks me about it, I’ll just say I built it. Would it be a replica? Perhaps in a very broad definition, but since I will have built it for me to enjoy, then no problem.
Good points
Just call them for what they are. They're fakes. Replica is putting it too nicely. People are going to end up getting scammed with these things.
I've thought this for a while and the problem is really only with the buying / selling. If there's somone new to watches and they see a modded watch that says Seiko, they may truly believe it is 1. It's a slippery slope between modded, franken and fake. Unless it's clearly stated during a sale it can certainly mislead some.
Great points
I like the look and if its quality and lasts im good. I will not pay thousands of dollars for a watch. I will accept a replica
Seems what you're highlighting here is the difference between pursuing an aesthetic and trying to project an image.
Maybe
I am not a watch connoisseur and have been looking for an affordable watch to my taste for a while. Came across modded/custom watches last night and I love them. Looking for a good-looking piece that I can use and beat up without breaking the bank until I am ready to make the investment in a good piece. I love the concept of modifying a watch to your taste for an affordable price. I believe the issue is if you try to sell it as the real thing or pretend that it is real. That's why I avoided dials with brandings on them.
Agree completely. I’m totally down for mods- I have a couple.
Absolutely not down for straight fakes.
All I hear is "but it's different". If you know about watches you'll spot it, all fakes, homages, modded, are about having something personal or having something similar to what you like for an amount of money you're willing to spend, personally I love the speedmaster, but I would never spend 8 grand on one, I don't even think it's worth a 1/4 of that.. a lot of watches, while they do have quite a bit of work put into them, they're absolutely hyped and overvalued, not everyone sees watches for what they represent but as a fashion piece, and that's perfectly okay.
As long as something that isn't original is selling as authentic, I have no problem with it. (Which even happens with casio w91s..)
If Seiko, Omega and Rolex and other 'premium' brands would make affordable watches, the whole replica business would collapse. Simple he?
But muh prestige, and muh heritage.
It's more than that, yes they are over priced but after buying a couple expensive watches and making my own custom builds you get what you pay for. Is a Daytona worth $35K? No, but the movement alone cost over a thousand dollars for them to make. Once you take a closer look at an Omega or Rolex you start to realize how perfect they are. No Seiko comes close, but that doesn't mean their is no reason for me to own a Seiko.
Not really, there's fake Casio F91 LMFAO
Never understood these “mods”. A mod is supposed to be a modification. Changing something about an original watch. Putting sword hands on an SKX for example. A domed crystal on a SARB. I see no difference between your submariner and comex and these grand seikos. Both are watches that were never made by the brands printed on the dial. Seems a bit selective to own one but then say the other is too far. The mod community has devolved from once creative and tasteful customization to full on diy replica watch kits with nautiluses and submariners that say seiko on the dial. All of it is weird.
I do say that you make good points. Especially the notion of diy kits for basically replica making. Fair perspective
Modded watches are the Chrysler 300s’ “Rolls Royce” like features for a fraction of the cost. Replica watches are the Honda civics with sculpted bondo to resemble a Rolls Royce.
To clarify:
A modified watch should consist of mostly OEM parts including the dial.
A watch build is something assembled from the ground up.
A counterfeit watch uses counterfeit logos.
and if you use oem parts with original logo?
I have had a lot of fun in the past modding Vostok watches. Not to make replicas but to create fun watches that are better looking than the factory offerings. I would not have a problem with selling any of them as they still have Vostok dials. Creating a replica watch with a dial that replicate an original watch is over the line.
Respectfully, I think that your sub/seiko used in comparison to the “replicas” is the exact same thing as the “replicas.” Those fake Grand Seiko dials were not thrown onto replica cases, to intentionally mislead people to look like a GS. They were thrown onto replica Rolex cases. It’s the exact same thing… Your Sub-Seiko “mod”, is the same as the Sub-GS “mods”
I fail to see any differences. A watch on etsy with mixed matched cloned parts from different brands is not a replica. That’s like calling a skx007 conversion kit to a sub as a “replica sub”
Good point
I don't know about that. If these are made and worn in pursuit of an aesthetic, why did they have to include the GS and spring drive logos?
The sub/seiko doesn't say 'Submariner' or 'Rolex'. It just copies the aesthetic of an old sub. GS and Seiko are not the same thing and by putting a GS logo on it, I think it crosses a different line - whether or not that's OK is really up to the individual, but I do think the GS replica and the sub mod are different things.
@@Jordan-fg9ccHis Seiko/Sub does in fact say “Submariner”. Am I missing something? Regardless, it’s not an OEM dial.
Just as you said, if these are made and worn in pursuit of an aesthetic, why did they have to slap “submariner” or “seiko” on the dial? It’s the same bro
Seiko with Submariner on it is just as bad/the same. That’s just the truth. It’s counterfeit just like the GS dials.
@@Jordan-fg9cc Yet, I still fail to see why sides need to be taken on this. It’s objectively true that both use fake dials to achieve an aesthetic. They are both using premium brand name (GS)/model (Submariner). Both sellers can be sued. Seiko with Submariner dial is just like the Seiko dials with Comex. No difference.
The only difference is that it’s obvious to most buyers that a “Submariner” Seiko doesn’t exist. Consumers however should also know that when they buy a GS watch on Etsy, it’s fake.
@@juanroyroy2075 nah, I maintain that there is absolutely a difference between a replica which seeks to copy the real watch 1:1 and a homage/seiko mod that doesn't use the real branding ect. The designs are not copyrighted but the brand names/logos are. You can't try to pass off a Seiko mod that says SEIKO on the dial as a Rolex, either for 'clout' or during a sale. You can do that with a replica and that makes their existence far, far more contentious IMO.
So why is it ok to modify a fake Seiko but not a Grand Seiko, Rolex or any expensive luxury watch in your opinion? What’s the difference? To me If someone buy the parts legally they can do what they want with it, just don’t sale it or gift it to someone else without disclosing it. Is it ok to put a V8 in an a original V6 car or the other way?
The watch is not a grand seiko. It’s a Seiko with a fake grand seiko dial
I agree with where you draw the line. A modded watch should be obvious its modded with name/dial combinations etc that does not exist as originals. Otherwise its obviously made to replicate a original.
After buying a Breitling I got deeper in to watches and it took me down the mod rabbit hole. A few months later I have a microscope in my garage, and I can lay a second hand with a wad of rodico in 5 minutes flat. What that's done is give me a much greater understanding of horology and a sense of purpose. The bigger the mod community gets the more new parts become available, I wish more people would get in to the Swiss side of things to bolster availability though, the pickings are slim when it comes to chronograph dials and cases. Knock offs abound in that world and it's tiring sifting through fake Daytona parts on Ebay.
I would love to see more Swiss modding
My father is the king of modded watches. His brother in law wanted his original tag back so he traded my dad a older pepsi for it. Well the bezel kept fading so after a few replacements from rolex, he said to hell with it and found someone to drop in a black bezel. I tried telling him it needed to go back to original asap but he didn't care. He will never re-sell it and loves it so much, he wears it daily.
Its a well-known secret in the watch industry. There are watches out there with serial numbers identical to the originals. Only Ziarex has the real deal, and thats no secret.
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I agree with him. These are fake dials with Grand Seiko printed on it. That's not modding, that's just a counterfeit. Homage won't have the logo but some of these mods have these fake logo. Also it pains me to see grand seiko on a dial produced in china that has no where near the finish of a genuine one.
I feel like most watches are boring so that's why i'm looking into modding. It seems like any watch that looks decent has to be a small fortune.
There is a number of modders selling their watches, having their own logos on the dials. some look really fantastic and look totally different from anything built by the big brands. Yes, movement is OEM, but hey, a lot of expensive watches just use the mass produced movements. I am not against of having a quality built modded watch. Besides the Omega seamaster has nothing against sitting in the watch box next to a mod:)))
Trademark infringement requires "use in commerce" meaning people buying goods or services based on the trademark. Using the mark on something for your personal use or as a gift to a friend is accepted. Using it on items you give away to promote your goods or services to grow sales for example is "use in commerce" as it leads to sales, so that is not allowed. One or two friends, is fine, but don't cross the line. If the logo is protected by a copyright also, that is a different story. Many companies also protect their logo's with copyrights if they are sufficiently artistic enough to be worthy of a copyright. Copyright infringement does not require the "use in commerce" clause. Simply making a copy is enough, but there is a "de minimus" exception the courts recognize, meaning the copying is so minimal it is not worth anyones time and such little harm is done, no sit would be worth the courts time. I think making one copy for yourself, and a copy for a friend would fall under this exemption.
So with all that being said, these watches are not gifts, or promotions, they are being sold, yes as modded, but sold
Mod watches are not fakes. They are custom builds. Fakes are totally looking like with the label of a real watch company. Those are illegal copies. I love modding Seiko watches and still leaving the Seiko on the dial.
That’s why I reference the “thin line“
When you buy a car, let’s say it’s a Porsche Carrera, and you modify it to be a GT3, you change the bumpers, wing and wheels. Now, you may ask yourself, why would someone do that? Well, perhaps they don’t have the budget to get a GT3, and the Carrera, aka Seiko, is in their price range to modify. Now 1. The buyer is happy with his/her purchase, 2. didn’t break the bank, 3. A great way for people to be involved in the watch world
Does the Porsche say GT3? Have the decals and badges saying it is? Is the person pretending it’s a GT3? Has the engine been changed? Then is a fraud
If a person mods a car, but openly admits it’s modified, I can see the argument.
Make whatever you want as long as you list it as MODDED and not real.
I agree. The "mod" watch that has Seiko, Grand Seiko, Rolex, etc.. on the dial (with not the original parts with said brand)... is crossing the line and has a greater opportunity to screw unsuspecting buyers. Let's put it this way... if you or someone in possession of these mods sell these watches as originals in the U.S.... this is trademark infringement. If you don't pay taxes... this is tax evasion.... you could end up in jail.
I look at it this way. Using Seiko as an example. If you’re using Seiko components (movement; dial; crown; caseback etc) and the finished watch says ‘Seiko’ on the dial but the end product looks like a Rolex GMT; Submariner; Yacht Master then to me this is a homage as it’s not pretending to be something else.
The Seiko to Grand Seiko is a replica as it’s pretending to be something else.
To each their own but I’m all for the homage/mod market
The mod market is fine. It’s really that dial “grand seiko” that pushs me over the edge
Did they ask you for their modified watch.... stop crying...
They are selling their “modified” watches. So what’s the difference between Joe in Montana selling a “modded” watch and China selling a replica?
So basically the biggest point of contention is the information on the dial itself in this instance. I understand your sentiments. I personally avoid buying such watches as the contradictions would drive me nuts. It may be annoying to know the truth of a time piece that someone is bragging about. On the other hand, watch enthusiasts will and should do whatever pleases them, as long no one is harmed.
I might be splitting hairs with this but I consider a watch to be modded when a small portion of the original is altered such as replacing the crystal or rotor. Gutting a large part of the watch such as replacing the movement or, combining various major parts from different manufacturers to make a watch that never existed before is creating a new watch. As for replicas, the watchmaker would have to manufacture all the parts (i.e. dial, movement, case, etc...) to the exact (or close to) the original specifications; literally a copy. No private individual have the resources or the inclination to undertake such a venture.
I suppose the most ethical move for any watchmaker is to remove any branding (or incorrect information) on the part but, most (if not all) modders neither have the equipment nor the skills to do so without damaging the part. Unfortunately, there really is no good solution. The responsibility still solely rest on the buyer to be informed. The best course of action is to take an activist role to ensure fewer consumers get swindled.
I'm in the side of.. if someone owns it? I couldn't care less about what they do with it.
Aaaaaanyways....lol.
I understand
À modded watch costs 30€ for NH35 movement 15€ for the dial, 5€ for the hands 35€ for case, 20€ bracelet. Total 75€
(Don't know for how much their selling)
300+
I think you cross the line when you apply branding to a component that was not manufactured by that brand. Nothing wrong with using an authentic Rolex dial with a different case and movement, but if you apply the Rolex branding to a component that Rolex did make actually make, that is forgery, and is wrong.
Also, intentionally misrepresenting a custom/modded watch as authentic is wrong.
isn’t Grand Seiko and Seiko almost the same thing just more intricate movements and owned by the same company. just as Rolex would be to Tudor or Lexus to Toyota ? idk i still think its a homage or modded watch in my opinion idk.
Can someone give me the link to that seller on Etsy that’s selling the Grand Seiko mod? Thanks!
easy answer : modding something existing to fit new ideas is okay, building an homage watch without trying to fake something or someone is okay, fake watches is a no go.... its criminal. i.e.If there is no comex inside or involved... it should not be mentioned....
Unfortunately even us poors can get a watch that looks like a Rolex.
Oh man, a Tom Segura reference… my wife, and I use the same reference.
As long as the dial matches the make and style of the movement I don’t see any problem with it.
The only bad thing about your video is that is way to short! Great content!
I have a few mods from the Alpha 'Daytona'....a Sugess 'Daytona' and several Seiko's but I will only buy mods that have the their brand names on the dial as to me..like you said they are not trying to fool someone that they are something they are not also they are nice watches in their own right.
What's with all the bot comments on this video saying to cancel ziarex and mega clone watches? They all say something about threatening rolex, is rolex spamming bot comments on this video?
No clue. Some videos catch a bunch of bots, some don’t. I just don’t have time to clean up the over 500 vids on the channel. But daily they hot random videos over the last 3-4 years
@allthingsrandom8137 Wow, that crazy man, sorry you have to put up with that. I would be pretty frustrated with youtube if i had to deal with that. You don't usually see them being so blatant. Interestingly, the comments were everywhere when viewing on my TV, but when i switched over to my phone to comment, they were gone. Weird that youtube chooses to hide them rather than remove them.
I personally have no problem with putting a Seiko signed dial on a movement made by Seiko.
Also, I think a modded watch is a watch built in a factory and then we make changes to it. When you buy the parts and put it together yourself it's not a mod, it's a build.
Buying someone else's mods/builds is just plain lazy. This isn't rocket science.
I hate it when people buy replicas, thinking they are original, and end up losing their money. Thats why mega-clone sellers like Ziarex need to be stopped.
All after market movements should bare a symbol showing it as after market. I agree it has gotten out of hand and Seiko is going to step in sooner or later and try to end modding.
Thanks for teaching me about modded watches. Now I know what to search for. :)
Issue Seiko never made a submariner. So it's not a mod in my mind, it's a clone/homage with the Seiko logo on. When San Martin does it for example, it's a homage. So what's the difference.
Cancel ziarex and their mega clone watches. Dealers are selling them as originals, and we are losing a lot.
We need to stop criminals like Ziarex from selling mega-clone replica watches because selling mega-clone replicas with the same serial number as the original watch is illegal.
Im just getting into seiko modding (still in the planning first build stage) and have thought about this a lot.
What if the community agreed upon a universal symbol or acronym to engrave upon a homage/tribute/ heavily modded watch? Either on the inside or backplate. So at least due diligence is done.
For example. A gold plated watch case is labeled “GF” or “RGP”. Something like that that says its a mod. Some kind of marking if popularized would be more ethical in my opinion
I bought a bluesy homage Seiko mod a few years ago just to scratch that Rolex itch. Nowadays I couldn’t go back to picking up another Seiko mod. I’d rather get the Rolex original or even a higher tier original Seiko (alpinist) or even a Grand Seiko nowadays. But hey I’m not judging anyone. I still wear my bluesy homage on occasion even tho I’m waiting for my Rolex to come in.
That might be an AAAAA replica, but it doesnt even come close to the excellence of a Ziarex Swiss replica. You can spend less in China, but quality is worth the investment.
Etsy is a den of thieves. Don't put someone else's name on the dial. Only exception: if a modded or custom built watch has a SEIKO movement, it's acceptable to put SEIKO on the dial
Two ways to look at this.. Imagine if u told drivers not to mod their cars like the California police…. Policing the activity is annoying.. now imagine if you told someone to stop pretending their v6 charger is a hellcat… point is mod tastefully dont be ridiculous
Good point
How is your Seiko any different. It is not a Seiko but is pretending to be. Might have some Seiko parts but it’s not a Seiko and the brand wouldn’t stand behind it. Btw I don’t really like mods in any shape or form
I get it, that’s why I discussed it in the video
If you're sticking a different brand's logo on a product without their permission AND SELLING IT, then it's a fake. Doesn't matter if you put that it's a mod in the description or whatever.
If you're just doing it for your own use, with no commercial gain? Go nuts. If you go around telling everyone the modded Submariner on your wrist is a real Rolex then that's a bit douchey, but you're not harming anyone in the same way as if you were selling it. IMO.
A big part of the luxurious watch industry is selling ETA and Valjoux mods.. so no.. what the modding community does isn't going to far.. because it's to a large extent the industry standard.. but I get what you want to say..
For context I have built a mod based on a sprd76k1 with a rosegold oyster bracelet, rosegold mercedes hands.. a 12 hour rolex gmt style ceramic rootbeer bezel.. I would have wanted a skx007k2 dial with rosegold indices but I don't know where to get it because I want it to say seiko on the dial (althought the crown position is enough to get it away).. only if I switch the case for one with a crown at 3 and the dial so it says rolex, does it become a replica imho..
I'm now looking into changing the calibre.. an ETA or Valjoux would be nice.. I have no idea thought if that will ever be possible.. and it would then definitely become a frankenwatch.. but I could then use basically any aftermarket dial I like but then the watch would become something I'd proudly pass on to someone and he or she maybe to someone else in due time.. something a seiko movement could never do
it's about love and appreciation for the craft while getting something of yourself even if it's only the work you've put in, into it as well..
Ziarex must be stopped at all costs. People are losing money since their mega clone watches started to be sold as originals on the aftermarket.
When you say super clone, it better be Swiss-made. Only Ziarex delivers that level of perfection.
Here’s my take, we all know of the guy selling the custom logos for $35. Pay the extra $35 and make it your own. Then it’s a custom.
In the end, a new era of watches has come. Some illegal company from EU started making mega clones called ziarex. Basically, what they are doing is buying original parts from workers in Rolex who flag that part as damaged and sell them. But thats not the
Mega-clone sellers like Ziarex must be in jail because they sell watches with identical serial numbers as original watches, which is illegal.
In my opinion watches are either a trophy collection piece like cars so yes a modded car is not authentic anymore. They are replicas of something else. But I also agree to get what you like it’s your money and go for it, I wouldn’t talk about it to a AP owner I guess. Overall myself I wouldn’t save for a grand seiko just to buy a seiko that looks like a Rolex.
Thats is why its a mod.. you want to have a GS mod with NH35. Its not wrong, what is wrong is how you interpret it and when you sell it as original.
Simple words , modding a watch is more like changing the body living the dial and hour and second hands original just changing the casing and bracelet, in fact Rolex never patented any of their styles only the name and logo that's all , so any watch maker or brand can make any brand with yacht master submariner homage pro diver etc etc with any brand
I got into assembling custom watches becaus3 it's fun, and it helps me have a hobby i can afford. But I really feel attacked sometimes. Im not trying to fake anything. But honestly, most of the parts you can find to buy are targeted at replicas. I would love to have a selection of parts to buy that look nothing like popular watches.
I agree with you 100%!
Bruh😂
It’s not modded watch anymore
Literally using Seiko brand aftermarket AKA fake dial is already infringement 💔
Same with cars, people should not install LS to every old car
Sleeper cars… a bit different..
I don’t see the problem, as long as you aren’t put a fake dial on it that says Rolex, or whatever luxury brand. I work hard to earn the image that the real thing provides. Just save your money and buy the real thing. If it’s out of reach, there are plenty of great options below the luxury tier. It’s pathetic to rock the image of something one can’t afford.
Um the grand seiko dial is the same as a Rolex dial…
The "Grand Seiko" mods look like really bad fakes. 😑
Buy glasses.
I tend to think as long as the name on the dial is the same as the movement its fine. If that Grand Seiko mod just said Seiko and didn't say spring drive it'd be fine in my opinion.
The whole "hat tip/head nod" thing is a bit ludicrous. Both the Seiko "submariner" AND the Seiko "Comex" watches are misrepresenting Seiko as the maker of those watches. Those Seiko "spring drives" are just doing the same thing in a more blatant fashion. Now, if someone chooses to mod their own watch in this fashion, more power to them. I can appreciate the idea of alternative or "what if" compositions for their personal enjoyment. That isn't the same as someone using established logos to create a fraudulent product and sell it for a profit.
As long they never say its another watch. Its ok
That’s a counterfeit watch that you buy in china town NY from the corner guy.
If the watch tells time and I can physically touch it, well then it’s not fake!😂
You might call it a super clone, but the truth is, its nowhere near the league of a Ziarex replica watches.
Never understood the appeal of putting Seiko (or any brand) on a build that the manufacturer has had nothing to do with (even if it is that movement) just don't understand how it brings the wearer happiness when it isn't actually a Seiko...But whatever makes you happy I guess.
Cancel ziarex and mega clone watches. They are destroying the whole community of original watches and becoming a threat to the economy and dignity of Rolex.
That is an AAA China watch. it cannot be compared to Ziarex watches because they sell real super clones, basically the same watches as the originals.
I have a homage watch from San martin. It's a homage to the bronzo. Also in brass and limited but the dail says San Marino and the size is s but smaller that's because I can't afford a real bronzo but I love the look and the material.
Who cares.
A guy from Rolex stole their database and is now selling his own mega clone watches called Ziarex. This story is crazy. We need to ban this idiot.
Just came across this video as I was looking to buy a modded Seiko that pays homage to a Rolex Milsub (a dream watch of mine that is well outside of the realm of possibility for me lol). To me, what is important is that it does not look like a well recognizable status symbol watch like a Batman, Nautilus, or Royal Oak. While those mods are awesome, I feel like they don’t pass the squint test - from far away, they 100% look like the real thing and may give off the wrong impression. With a vintage homages, it’s less about project status and simply enjoying the look and feel of something that you love. That being said, mods are awesome as long as they do not pretend to be the real thing like the GS example you shared.
I don’t mind, marine watches, I have a couple modded watches. The only issue that I had was the fact that people go overboard, and it looks like the real thing sort of like the grand Seiko Dial. I think you should get what you like.
@@allthingsrandom8137 agree! Ultimately, everyone should get what they like :)
Depends if you intend to wear it or sell it. Selling a 'fake' is a problem.
Clearly since I am finding these on Etsy, it’s all about selling
I dont see the point to have a watch with "grand seiko" on the dial and a nh35 underneath, "seiko" is right, is like having a 5atm case and a 200m on dial, feels/is wrong
Would it piss people off if I modded my pro diver and make it look exactly like a submariner?
If there were a watch community version of Karen, this guy would be it. I bet he is the HOA president.
You cross the line when you slap a brand name on the dial. Homages are fine, fakes are absolutely not okay.
Modded watches are cool it’s a personal thang. But like you said taking modding to another level to sell you right. I modded my own Casios I never gonna sell them they just my personal collection.
An homage does pretend to be the real thing.
Mod watches are okay, if they live up to their capabilities and true engineering characteristics... but the ones that deceive about what they truly are is bad! It makes them fake! THAT GS IS DECEPTIVE....ITS NOT EVEN A SPRING DRIVE!