Kobe said it in 2018 that harden needed to play behind the defense not in front and media criticized him. Well doc just basically said the same thing in a round about way
Mike D'Antoni carried Harden. He is an amazing coach. Pushing 2018 GSW to 7 games was one of the best accomplishments ever for a coach. His systen is Like PEDs for stats. Linsanity and Nash MVP runs too. He made Harden look way better than he is. Limited his flaws and extended his strengths. Unless D'Antoni is the HC - Harden won't be Harden.
Doc’s comments 100% right. James at this stage (or age he said) is unable to run around like a smaller Steph to get the ball back. One-on-one dribble dribble and beat the defender is no longer viable as he did with D’Antoni. James still thinks he can play his natural game. He can occasionally but not consistently. He needs to accept this and remodel his game to be more the point and facilitator.
Tbf they were talking about two different things. Kobe was talking about the volume shooting, the foul baiting, and the high usage that doesn’t work as well in the playoffs. Kobe implied he needed to add more nuance to his game. Doc is just saying Harden wanted to keep the ball in his hand and he couldn’t allow for plays to occur outside of him touching it. And it led to repetitive play and didn’t give others the option to make plays.
Shooting 3-11 with 5 turnovers is not the style of play Kobe criticized. If Harden would just play the way he did in Houston all the time he would have won something by now. The problem comes when he’s in a pivotal game and he drops 10 points with 5 turnovers in 40 minutes of play. Harden always chokes and the issue is never him shooting too many shots.
@@sheltondmello8031 Sure, but he can play better than he does. Just because Embiid is next to him doesn’t mean he can only score 10 points. I’m pretty sure Embiid was playing in one of those games that Harden dropped 40. For whatever reason Harden just chokes in the biggest moments.
I can understand his analysis of James game. However, Doc is terrible at making adjustments for his team to be successful when the opponent takes away his team’s strengths
Not only is he kind of terrible at making adjustment, he basically told you how to defend James Harden and he threw James Harden under the bus while doing it. That's why he has been fired numerous times. If anything, this is an indictment on him. As a coach you don't throw players under the bus
@@topnotchtajmahal7216 That's because Boston was giving him the open lanes to go through. They were daring him to do that. You act as if Boston didn't know how to defend. James Harden.
I would agree but what coach do you know would throw players under the bus like Doc Rivers has? I mean, he's literally telling you how to defend James Harden that's throwing a player under the bus and he used Steph Curry as an example. To do that. I think his coaching days are long over and I think he knows that
Mike D'Antoni carried him. Similar to Nash and Linsanity. His system is PEDs for stats. Thats how people got tricked into thunking Hardenbis an all time grrat ehen in reality he like a homeless mans Ginobili without the defense that D'Antoni carries. Pushung 2018 GSW in 7 games in 2018 WCF is one of the best feats ever for a coach.
I believed Kevin McHale when he said it. Harden has always seemed like he is more worried about other things than winning basketball games even when he needs to be worried about basketball.
Clearly, both of these guys didn't understand. They figured him out after game 1. He was never the same after that game because Boston have already adjusted. And that's why he has this reputation of disappearing in playoffs when the truth is it is easy to figure him out especially now that he got older.
The team needed the mvp the most and he never showed up. And harden had 2 GREAT games and 1 good game (game 5) and 4 bad games if we’re telling the truth. Meanwhile the mvp had 6 bad games (didn’t play game 1)
@@outlandishworld6183 that’s what I’m saying, they blaming harden more then Embiid and these the same people who called him washed and a playoff choker but yet blame him when the mvp had the highest ppg drop off in nba history. Harden won them 2 and maxey won them one, all Embiid needed to do was close that game 6 out in Philly.
Glad i watched this one. Espn cut off a hell of a lot of that sound! Doc praised harden most of that segment. Espn made it seem like he just crapped all over harden for most of it. This was just constructive criticism
Im not sure why Harden wants to run back to Houston so bad. Ime Udoka is a more taskmaster coach than Doc was. He also demands his players give full effort on defense. Plus, those young boys like Jalen Green aren’t going to kiss the ring either. He’ll be in for a rude awakening, trying to relive the Ghost of Houston Past.
if you look at the way the sixers played when embiid, maxey and harden were out the beginning of the season there was a lot of ball movement and they played different, maybe better organized vs when they came back, (not putting it on harden) but everything seemed slow down and more of a focus on him and embiid
If coaches started pulliing superstars & stars out the game for playing badly, every sports media talking heads, owners and fans would lose their mind, *"YOU CAN'T BENCH (superstar/star name) DURING A GAME!!!!",* unless Russell Westbrook.
Kobe had it right years ago. If James doesn't have the ball, he stands around. It's all drive to the basket or a quick pull up. Denver won games even when their 3 ball wasn't dropping. Miami moved the ball well too. They could have won game 5. Maybe Harden is no longer starter. Perhaps now he comes off the bench. He can still score. If he is hot, you play him, if cold, he sits. 🎉
Mike D'Antoni carried Harden. He is an amazing coach. Pushing 2018 GSW to 7 games was one of the best accomplishments ever for a coach. His systen is Like PEDs for stats. Linsanity and Nash MVP runs too. He made Harden look way better than he is. Limited his flaws and extended his strengths. Unless D'Antoni is the HC - Harden won't be Harden. If not for D'Antoni - Nash and Harden ain't HOFers
I slightly disagree. Dantoni combined with Morey ruined harden. He had flaws for sure but their hyper extreme 3pt or layup philosophy ruined any chance he had a title. Before that pairing all harden really needed was to play more defense and get a slightly better supporting cast. Once he tailored his game to only be threes and layups that was the nail in the coffin
Y’all are not listening - especially Rob. “Game 1” is the first game of the series. Like Doc says - as the series progresses is when they figure Harden out. They slipped in game 4 and let him have another big game, but “overall” they had him locked.
He has made teams better but when he plays basketball you know exactly what you're getting and Doc Rivers throwing him under the bus like that to me doesn't help his case
another stupid thing people say just repeating nonsense they hear on espn it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for an all time great scorer and hof-er like harden to NOT make a team better smh; that 25 pts you can count on each game and hes also a very good pt guard when he chooses to score just 15-17 pts ...you must be a gen z bronsexual-type ...am i right? just curious
@@futuretimetraveller8677 Harden has not won a championship despite loads of talent on many of his teams. Maybe it's the era he plays in, but great point guards usually win rings. Harden along w/Chris Paul will be those 2 greats who go ringless. You just said it yourself: "...when he chooses to be." He puts more effort into his beard maintenace. I have no idea WTF that last comment was. If you could define a "bronsexual" for the uninitiated at home, that would be great.
That’s what made Kobe and MJ so great they didn’t need to dribble 100 times a game they went straight to what they wanted to do and still moved the ball when they needed to
Doc Rivers is the biggest excuse maker of all time! Orlando up 3-1 “It was a hell of a coaching job!”, Clippers 2015 up 3-1 “CP3 was on 1 leg!”, Clippers 2020 “Anything can happen in the bubble, Sixers 2021 Ben Simmons was the problem, Sixers 2022-2023 Harden is so tough to coach. No one has lived off 1 title like Glenn Rivers and even the 08’ title he had to go 7 with the 8 seed hawks. I went to 2 of those games when I was 6 years old even then I knew Glenn Rivers wasn’t a very good coach lol!
Stop with the Glenn Rivers bullshit it's disrespectful to call a man by his mother maiden name. Put some respect on Doc name please alot of these coaches haven't won any championship let alone 1 in the past 15 years. The 76ers has been a top team for the past 3 years what are we talking about.
Doc got a winning record 154 wins 84 losses. Some of this James Harden and Joel Embiid who can't stay healthy missing fuckin games in impact moment keep that same fuckin energy towards the players
11:09 Jordan used to be ball dominate and couldn’t win, but with Pippen took over as point with the triangle, then they start winning. The Last Dance: Jordan said, with a reluctant tone, “they took the ball out of my hands”. I was asking people, where’d it go?
I don't think he's overrated he can coach basketball. The problem is you get this from Doc Rivers. He has no problem going public throwing players under the bus and players. Absolutely know it. You don't see Greg popovich. You don't see other coaches who have won world titles within the last 5 to 6 years throw their own players on the bus like he has done
The problem is more Embiid than Harden. The offense is more stagnant when Embiid has the ball. Harden has shown he can be a facilitator and give up the ball.
It's Not just specifically that they know his spots, where he'll attack from in the middle of the court, it's also that as the series goes on the opposing team & dfdrs gets to gauge his tendencies & tempo, time his moves to a point where by game 5, 6, & 7 nothing he does surprises them. They have a strong idea of his bag of go to moves or shots & how to counter them. He's a very Iso-centric player that doesn't really utilize severe athleticism or fitness.
@TheCapn23 talent?? Lol Maan all those players were old and on their last leg. And I'm a KG fan lol.. all he's done is get his teams better and to the playoffs. Not his fault his players choked in the playoffs.. but I'm curious since you brought it up.. was Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr, Gregg Popvich, etc. Good coaches, or was it the talent of Michael Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Tim Duncan, Klay, Curry, etc? Lol, Maan, yall got to stop it!!
Well he doesn't know basketball. He doesn't know what he's talking about. The do doesn't study or analyze the game and any meaningful manner. He's what we call a casual fan that just looks at stats instead of analyzing someone's overall game. Boston knew who they were playing. The only person they were worried about on that team was really Joel Embiid
@Chris Broussard, please don’t compare, Luka and James Harden with King James! Don’t do that, bra! King James dribbled the ball with a purpose..4 rings to none! Proof is in the f$&&ing pudding!
Doc Rivers didn't take a jab at Harden, he made a basketball analysis in the most respectful way. When Joel is out, Harden can play his vintage style to compensate for the scoring that's not available. But when Embid is on the court, Harden needs to play Doc's way to maximize the talent that's on the floor and that comes with giving up the ball and emphasizing the pick and roll. He essentially needs to play like Murray does for Denver.
I want to help flip the script on Harden. Instead of saying he was playing iso ball and this and that, you could say that he has adapted to many styles of play depending on the coach, the culture, and the scheme.
Say what you want, but the lakers vs Celtics where the Celtics won the chip, might be the highest quality finals game I have ever watched. It was a title fight of almost perfect basketball. So many years it’s sloppy team vs heavily favourite team, or a super team, so naturally they play at a high level naturally. But man those Celtics and this lakers games were incredible.
The game of basketball is at the most beautiful when everyone is moving cutting sharing the ball like Denver played..bball its supposed to be played that way..Warriors played that way when they won also..Bulls with MJ also moving cutting sharing the ball..thats the winning game
Harden did Not have an outstanding series against Boston. He had some good games, but he wasn't consistent when they needed him. Maxey was pretty good and Embiid was there. You can play Harden more so now because he takes up time on offense before getting the ball moving. He'll step back shoot or drive. His driving to the rim was expected. They knew his move.
Even Barkley used to call harden the best offensive perimeter player ever let him and maxey run and let embiid get his in the flow of the game instead of force feeding embiid so he can have energy on screens and defense because he's not lazy just tired from force feeding him and him taking too baby jumpers and not punishing the smaller bigs in the hole
And that's why Doc Rivers is not coaching the Philadelphia 76ers anymore. The moment he threw Ben Simmons under the bus. I knew he was never going to get this team anywhere near a championship because when the going gets tough I'll like a lot of his critics have said he likes to push blame on his players and throw his players under the bus more than he's willing to take account on what he couldn't do. A lot of the times when you're getting out played by a team. Sometimes motivation from a coach to his players is what you need and Doug doesn't seem like the type of coach that can really get his players motivate to want to play for him
Doc was right on. It's easy in the playoffs for a great player to have one or two good games. The question is, after the opposing team makes adjustments, can you find enough ways to impact the game to where your team wins the series. Having 2 games of 40+ points for a Hall of Fame player is not impossible. Can you find ways to lead your team after the defense shuts down your scoring? The answer with Harden has been NO.
It’s so funny how the media always asking for transparency and honesty but soon as anyone speaks the truth they bashed them ! Harden is a BALL STOPPER …Smaller version of Carmelo …just because he have a couple 40 point games it don’t mean what Doc said was not Accurate …I mean we’ve been seeing this act for 10 years !
This isn’t just James Harden, it’s most stars today. They can only play one way but this is supposedly the most skilled group of guys. Him scoring that much without Embiid proves Doc’s point. Obviously without Embiid they went to Harden ball, he never said Harden wasn’t good at that, but he can’t figure out how to win with the MVP on the floor. That’s the problem.
All these guys who loved Doc 10 years ago are the same people who love Ty Lue. In 10 years people will realize he’s just like Doc. Considered the best coach or second but don’t realize they can’t win the big games
And this is why Doc Rivers has been fired from the last 2 coaches jobs he loves to throw shade and there his players under the bus lol No coach should ever tell others how to game plan against your own players or player that you've coached. That's where coaching comes into play. He's done that several times with his own players. Any wonders why he is been fired
Chris you are talking about when he was younger and could recover faster yes he had two big games but the others he was flat out done! And they didn't stop him earlier because he hadn't played like that for an entire season!!
The problem with USA basketball is the same problem that Harden has..the "star players" are hoggin the ball pounding dribbling and either take a shot or give it to a shooter..Luka became that kind of player when he came in the NBA..I really dont understand how they are not coached to share the ball,cutting,moving all the time that's basic basketball and everyone should know how to move pass cut play off ball that is basic in Europe and that is why Jokic is dominating he knows basic bball plus the IQ the incredibble passing positioning not being selfish etc..and that's why Denver is the best team and are champions also Warriors played like that with a lot of moving offball cutting sharing the ball etc..that is why the world is on the same level as NBA now
There was nothing to push back on the two good games James Harden had Jaylen Brown wasn't his primary defender, the 3 games Jaylen Brown was Harden's primary defender he clamped him up.
I’m a Harden fan. His play style is not winning basketball. He had 2 great games in that Boston series. Caleb Martin had a great series in Conference finals. A dead clock is right twice a day. Of course he’s gonna have a great game once or twice. The difference is great players have great games when it matters. He’s literally chocked in every pivotal game his team AND fans needed him the most. I want him to win a ring but unfortunately if he does it’s gonna be when he’s the third option or a role player not the star of the team
The fact that Doc didn't hold himself accountable invalidates anything he has to say regardless of how true it may or not may be, bc its coming from someone who's trying to skate on accountability
James Harden may have had “big” playoff games, but they never been the games that matter. James Harden has always been a no show in pivotal or elimination games
Sounded like he was just calling his game too predictible in general. Meaning that when teams gameplan for you,they have to try to figure out what your going to do as a team. James doesnt need to be accounted for,because you know exactly what hes going to do every game. Sounds like hes saying james cant play within a system
If you're supposed to be a top 75 all time player, then having 2 good games in a 7 game series is not good enough...especially when he was a non-factor in the deciding games 6 and 7. It's the story of Harden's career...he doesn't show up when the monies of the line. He did it in Houston, he quit on the Nets, and he's come up small with the Sixers. Despite Doc's post-season record, what he said was completely fair and accurate
I know harden has his issue but let's not ignore the fact that doc is trying to use harden as a scapegoat like he did ben simmons a few years ago.......
Come on y’all, ask yourself this. Does James Harden ever have a big Game 6 or Game 7? Yes he can get off earlier in series but as teams make ADJUSTMENTS later in the series for his style he can’t compete with that. Teams will always start off a series with basic Vanilla coverages unless you’re Erik Spoelstra.
i dont care what anyone says about harden he can give you 50 in the playoffs is the difference but he just needs some help from two other stars to hit clutch shots
Doc rivers isn’t the problem. He’s been coaching guys with no heart for a long time now . Harden is chump choke artist . Embiid is a choke artist too . These guys have no intangibles. Id love to play for Doc Rivers
Doc was speaking facts. Harden’s style is predictable. Doesn’t mean he can’t go off. His biggest problem is mental and no competitive fire. Doc can’t say these things though. Jason Kidd doesn’t know how to coach so he just lets Luka do everything
These guys are never satisfied with any interview with someone from the NBA. Doc isn't going to tarnish another player because he knows he still wants to coach in the NBA. Harden is still one of the best players in the game, so regardless of what, you have to choose your words carefully. Rob and Chris want you to "keep it real" but keeping it real doesn't mean talking negatively ALL THE TIME or bashing a player all the time
Harden comes from the tree of new age ⭐️ PGs that NEVER move without the ball. Likely none of them will win a title simply for this reason Russ, Dame Luka T Young
I think James Harden Quit in Doc Rivers. Harden was turning down shots and when Embiid comes back its like his whole demeanor changed. Doc can not make Harden compete. 💯🎯🎯🎯
First of all harden had 40 points with no Embiid cause he could play like himself and the other 40 point game comes down to the fact he’ll have a good game every now and then but the facts are Boston was not playing well and Harden still didn’t show up in Game 2-3-6-7 so what is Rob Parker talking about????
James Harden has had some great playoff games, however he's had some real stinkers when it matters. He scored 45 points in game 1 because Boston plays uneven and lackluster defense. The entire playoffs illustrate that.
The reason james was able to do what he did in game one against boston is because he was playing "harden" ball and the other team hadn't seen enough of his houston style of play to know if he was good enough still to play that way and they hadnt seen enough to know how to properly game plan against it. Doc is right though. The most valuable playoff player isnt the one that can do the most. Its the one that can do the most within a system which allows a cohesive team identy. At the pro level "get the ball to my guy" is relatively easy to stop with preparation
Harden in his advancing age and reduced ability to beat guys off the dribble is kind of like butler. If he can't get to the line his game suffers DRAMATICALLY. And it's like he can't score.
Man, Harden scores when there is no pressure. These dudes are acting like he blew Boston away in those two games. There was no pressure whatsoever on Harden in Game 1, and as a Sixers fan he literally shocked me when he made that corner three in Game, did not expect him to step up in that moment, and would have been justified in thinking so. This is just a disingenuous discussion between these two. They don't like Rivers, they think he's overrated, and he is, but to discredir what hes saying about Harden is crazy. We all watched that series, and we know what we saw. Chris said it perfectly though. Who cares if you can drop 40 in the first 3 or 4 games when everyone knows you're going to be a dud when the series is on the line? Come on guys.
Bruh Jordan has the most shot attempts in one game what are they talking about that’s the definition of ball dominant , good lord these guys be saying anything
Doc trying to say . : james is stuck in his ways. He dribbles for 20 seconds a possession, and only looks to pass when he doesnt have a shot. He doesnt play defense and he is stuck in his playong style.. he doesnt try to upgrade his playstyle defensively nor as a offensive team player..
i don’t think the 2 points are mutually exclusive. they’re acting like Doc said “in the playoffs he can’t score” that’s not what he said. And everybody knows Boston has the tendency to play down to their opponents or take games off.. Hence 42 and 43 point games. But when they’re totally locked in and playing for their season, his offensive skill ( though deadly) is easier to navigate when everybody is locked in. it’s not the same point and 1 doesn’t eat the other. like at first they totally disagree with Doc and then spend the next 10 minutes talking about Harden and other players that exactly describe what Doc said 😂😂🤦🏾♂️
Kobe said it in 2018 that harden needed to play behind the defense not in front and media criticized him. Well doc just basically said the same thing in a round about way
Mike D'Antoni carried Harden. He is an amazing coach. Pushing 2018 GSW to 7 games was one of the best accomplishments ever for a coach. His systen is Like PEDs for stats. Linsanity and Nash MVP runs too. He made Harden look way better than he is. Limited his flaws and extended his strengths. Unless D'Antoni is the HC - Harden won't be Harden.
@@erikpuka2627 good point
@@erikpuka2627 Harden averaged 29 the year before Dantoni got there.
@@erikpuka2627 , Rubbish! D’antoni did not make James Harden…never did and never will! 🤫
Doc’s comments 100% right. James at this stage (or age he said) is unable to run around like a smaller Steph to get the ball back. One-on-one dribble dribble and beat the defender is no longer viable as he did with D’Antoni. James still thinks he can play his natural game. He can occasionally but not consistently. He needs to accept this and remodel his game to be more the point and facilitator.
Kobe said the same thing. That Harden’s style of play is not winning basketball in the postseason.
Exactly
Tbf they were talking about two different things. Kobe was talking about the volume shooting, the foul baiting, and the high usage that doesn’t work as well in the playoffs. Kobe implied he needed to add more nuance to his game. Doc is just saying Harden wanted to keep the ball in his hand and he couldn’t allow for plays to occur outside of him touching it. And it led to repetitive play and didn’t give others the option to make plays.
Shooting 3-11 with 5 turnovers is not the style of play Kobe criticized. If Harden would just play the way he did in Houston all the time he would have won something by now. The problem comes when he’s in a pivotal game and he drops 10 points with 5 turnovers in 40 minutes of play. Harden always chokes and the issue is never him shooting too many shots.
@@skillethead15he can't play like that when he got another superstar / star to win. Which is kinda needed nowadays.
@@sheltondmello8031 Sure, but he can play better than he does. Just because Embiid is next to him doesn’t mean he can only score 10 points. I’m pretty sure Embiid was playing in one of those games that Harden dropped 40. For whatever reason Harden just chokes in the biggest moments.
Doc is squeezing every drop out of that One ring boy i tell ya 😂
Ball movement, ball movement, keeps everyone in the game! We just witnessed that in the finals!
Rob needs better listening skills. Doc didn’t throw blame at Harden. He was asked about him and gave his analysis
I can understand his analysis of James game. However, Doc is terrible at making adjustments for his team to be successful when the opponent takes away his team’s strengths
Basically,cant fault James for not believing in him
@@carbon.the.christ5626 james fault coz his the one playing in the court beside this is not his 1st play off he waste alot play off in his life
He made the adjustments James literally had open lanes wouldn’t drive for a easy layup so much dum sh** he was doin in those games it was laughable
Not only is he kind of terrible at making adjustment, he basically told you how to defend James Harden and he threw James Harden under the bus while doing it. That's why he has been fired numerous times. If anything, this is an indictment on him. As a coach you don't throw players under the bus
@@topnotchtajmahal7216 That's because Boston was giving him the open lanes to go through. They were daring him to do that. You act as if Boston didn't know how to defend. James Harden.
I need to see y’all interview a coach to see how y’all really are cause y’all swear y’all the best interviewer
The players fill seats but coaches got a hard job with all these divas
I would agree but what coach do you know would throw players under the bus like Doc Rivers has? I mean, he's literally telling you how to defend James Harden that's throwing a player under the bus and he used Steph Curry as an example. To do that. I think his coaching days are long over and I think he knows that
@@DDTAP4U you play in the nba???
@@DDTAP4U First off Skippy don't tell me to calm down second did I say you were a woman?
The coaches have a very tough job dealing with these guys. I don't envy the coaches in the NBA at all
James Harden doesn't know how to play off the ball. If he doesn't have the ball he just stands around
Well that's not news lol
Well said bro James is just like melo when he got old James harden I’d done
Kevin mchale tried to warn folks about James💯😭
Mike D'Antoni carried him. Similar to Nash and Linsanity. His system is PEDs for stats. Thats how people got tricked into thunking Hardenbis an all time grrat ehen in reality he like a homeless mans Ginobili without the defense that D'Antoni carries. Pushung 2018 GSW in 7 games in 2018 WCF is one of the best feats ever for a coach.
I believed Kevin McHale when he said it. Harden has always seemed like he is more worried about other things than winning basketball games even when he needs to be worried about basketball.
Clearly, both of these guys didn't understand. They figured him out after game 1. He was never the same after that game because Boston have already adjusted. And that's why he has this reputation of disappearing in playoffs when the truth is it is easy to figure him out especially now that he got older.
he scored 42 in game 2 though right?
@@futuretimetraveller8677 No, 12 in game 2.. 🤣
Just google the box scores
This!! He never finishes a series string because he is easy it figure out. Doc was very correct in his analysis
@@futuretimetraveller8677 he scored 42 game 4 and had 17, 8, 10, and 4 steals in game 5. Every other game he was kind of unpredictable
@@ENDEV okay so it was game 4 he had 42...two 40+ games...i dont see a problem
Harden didnt have an incredible series. He had some incredible games. Most importantly, he seems to shrink when his teams need him the most.
Exactly. He had two good games and that was it
The team needed the mvp the most and he never showed up. And harden had 2 GREAT games and 1 good game (game 5) and 4 bad games if we’re telling the truth. Meanwhile the mvp had 6 bad games (didn’t play game 1)
So how about the fake mvp good try to put it on robin instead of Batman that mvp the fakest mvp in history
@@outlandishworld6183 that’s what I’m saying, they blaming harden more then Embiid and these the same people who called him washed and a playoff choker but yet blame him when the mvp had the highest ppg drop off in nba history. Harden won them 2 and maxey won them one, all Embiid needed to do was close that game 6 out in Philly.
@@BigBankJab this video was about Harden so I only commented on Harden.
What Doc just said about Harden and teams game planning for him.....KOBE SAID THIS YEEEEAARRRS AGO!! why they won't win championships.
Glad i watched this one. Espn cut off a hell of a lot of that sound! Doc praised harden most of that segment. Espn made it seem like he just crapped all over harden for most of it. This was just constructive criticism
Im not sure why Harden wants to run back to Houston so bad. Ime Udoka is a more taskmaster coach than Doc was. He also demands his players give full effort on defense. Plus, those young boys like Jalen Green aren’t going to kiss the ring either. He’ll be in for a rude awakening, trying to relive the Ghost of Houston Past.
His plan is to get Ime fired and just do his thing.
It’s for the city not the team itself .
Kiss what ring lol ?
Bissonett Street type activities.
Nah he’ll thrive in Houston, we need to get chris paul and Zion and we good
if you look at the way the sixers played when embiid, maxey and harden were out the beginning of the season there was a lot of ball movement and they played different, maybe better organized vs when they came back, (not putting it on harden) but everything seemed slow down and more of a focus on him and embiid
If coaches started pulliing superstars & stars out the game for playing badly, every sports media talking heads, owners and fans would lose their mind, *"YOU CAN'T BENCH (superstar/star name) DURING A GAME!!!!",* unless Russell Westbrook.
Hmmm they coach Casey was pulling demar during Toronto during the playoff and he got fired lmao 😂
Pop never got slandered for that
@TjR. That's because Pop weirdly was a media darling and favorite....despite the Spurs not being that.
Kobe had it right years ago. If James doesn't have the ball, he stands around. It's all drive to the basket or a quick pull up. Denver won games even when their 3 ball wasn't dropping. Miami moved the ball well too. They could have won game 5. Maybe Harden is no longer starter. Perhaps now he comes off the bench. He can still score. If he is hot, you play him, if cold, he sits. 🎉
Mike D'Antoni carried Harden. He is an amazing coach. Pushing 2018 GSW to 7 games was one of the best accomplishments ever for a coach. His systen is Like PEDs for stats. Linsanity and Nash MVP runs too. He made Harden look way better than he is. Limited his flaws and extended his strengths. Unless D'Antoni is the HC - Harden won't be Harden. If not for D'Antoni - Nash and Harden ain't HOFers
I slightly disagree. Dantoni combined with Morey ruined harden. He had flaws for sure but their hyper extreme 3pt or layup philosophy ruined any chance he had a title. Before that pairing all harden really needed was to play more defense and get a slightly better supporting cast. Once he tailored his game to only be threes and layups that was the nail in the coffin
Kobe said nobodies winning a championship playing how harden does. Kobe said it’s because he tried. I know damn well if Kobe can’t harden isn’t 😂😂
Y’all are not listening - especially Rob. “Game 1” is the first game of the series. Like Doc says - as the series progresses is when they figure Harden out. They slipped in game 4 and let him have another big game, but “overall” they had him locked.
Kind of sad that Harden will make the Hall of Fame and never made a team better, in many cases made them worse. One dimensional stat machine.
He has made teams better but when he plays basketball you know exactly what you're getting and Doc Rivers throwing him under the bus like that to me doesn't help his case
another stupid thing people say just repeating nonsense they hear on espn
it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for an all time great scorer and hof-er like harden to NOT make a team better smh; that 25 pts you can count on each game and hes also a very good pt guard when he chooses to score just 15-17 pts ...you must be a gen z bronsexual-type ...am i right?
just curious
@@flyguy7825 I agree on your latter point. Doc should remain mum on the current players. Advice to all coaches.
@@futuretimetraveller8677 Harden has not won a championship despite loads of talent on many of his teams. Maybe it's the era he plays in, but great point guards usually win rings. Harden along w/Chris Paul will be those 2 greats who go ringless. You just said it yourself: "...when he chooses to be." He puts more effort into his beard maintenace.
I have no idea WTF that last comment was. If you could define a "bronsexual" for the uninitiated at home, that would be great.
This is just a stupid take.
That’s what made Kobe and MJ so great they didn’t need to dribble 100 times a game they went straight to what they wanted to do and still moved the ball when they needed to
I was gonna say something similar, great point. I would only add that Mike and Kobe were better at in-game adjustments.
@@jabarijones4884 absolutely!!
Doc Rivers is the biggest excuse maker of all time! Orlando up 3-1 “It was a hell of a coaching job!”, Clippers 2015 up 3-1 “CP3 was on 1 leg!”, Clippers 2020 “Anything can happen in the bubble, Sixers 2021 Ben Simmons was the problem, Sixers 2022-2023 Harden is so tough to coach. No one has lived off 1 title like Glenn Rivers and even the 08’ title he had to go 7 with the 8 seed hawks. I went to 2 of those games when I was 6 years old even then I knew Glenn Rivers wasn’t a very good coach lol!
u knew at 6 -_-? Bruh the cap on here is insane.
@@jameswilliams7725lol exactly. Bro don’t have to be so dramatic for likes. I don’t think Doc a good coach either so you don’t have to do all that 😂
Stop with the Glenn Rivers bullshit it's disrespectful to call a man by his mother maiden name. Put some respect on Doc name please alot of these coaches haven't won any championship let alone 1 in the past 15 years. The 76ers has been a top team for the past 3 years what are we talking about.
Doc got a winning record 154 wins 84 losses. Some of this James Harden and Joel Embiid who can't stay healthy missing fuckin games in impact moment keep that same fuckin energy towards the players
Camron roasting doc rivers is like the funniest video ever 😂
Who is Cam'ron to talk about anyone?
11:09 Jordan used to be ball dominate and couldn’t win, but with Pippen took over as point with the triangle, then they start winning.
The Last Dance: Jordan said, with a reluctant tone, “they took the ball out of my hands”.
I was asking people, where’d it go?
Doc might be the most overrated coach in sports history
I don't think he's overrated he can coach basketball. The problem is you get this from Doc Rivers. He has no problem going public throwing players under the bus and players. Absolutely know it. You don't see Greg popovich. You don't see other coaches who have won world titles within the last 5 to 6 years throw their own players on the bus like he has done
Overrated? Nah I think he’s not rated high in the first place! The fact it’s not a lot of accomplished coaches out there right now
how? he won a championship; most coaches never do that
😂😂😂😂 he is
Cuz he won a chip with the first legit "big 3" I guess? I used to think Coach Spo was over rated for the same reason...boy was I wrong
The problem is more Embiid than Harden. The offense is more stagnant when Embiid has the ball. Harden has shown he can be a facilitator and give up the ball.
Sucks that we penalized people for going further than others.
Kobe said this about harden years ago people that know hoops been seen it
Late in series is where James disappears, they are stating the obvious 1 and 4. Games 5 , 6, 7 is when you can't find James
It's Not just specifically that they know his spots, where he'll attack from in the middle of the court, it's also that as the series goes on the opposing team & dfdrs gets to gauge his tendencies & tempo, time his moves to a point where by game 5, 6, & 7 nothing he does surprises them. They have a strong idea of his bag of go to moves or shots & how to counter them. He's a very Iso-centric player that doesn't really utilize severe athleticism or fitness.
Doc is so good at politely passing the blame onto his players.. it's happened every time he gets let go from a team for underperforming
What Doc said was absolutely 💯 correct! Chris Broussard and Stuck in the Mud Rob make me laugh 😃
Doc been living off the success of Garnett, Pierce, and Allen for over a decade. He better be cutting them dudes a % of these paychecks.
Umm did any of them win after doc except allen
@hiitsme3039 they were past there prime after
Say what u want about Doc.. he knows basketball and at least he has a championship ring under his belt. Which only a few coaches can say that..
Sure but was that Doc or the talent of Garnett, Pierce, and Allen? Doc hasn't done anything since.
@TheCapn23 talent?? Lol Maan all those players were old and on their last leg. And I'm a KG fan lol.. all he's done is get his teams better and to the playoffs. Not his fault his players choked in the playoffs.. but I'm curious since you brought it up.. was Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr, Gregg Popvich, etc. Good coaches, or was it the talent of Michael Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Tim Duncan, Klay, Curry, etc? Lol, Maan, yall got to stop it!!
Rob - stopping a player is a series long test not just one or two games.
Well he doesn't know basketball. He doesn't know what he's talking about. The do doesn't study or analyze the game and any meaningful manner. He's what we call a casual fan that just looks at stats instead of analyzing someone's overall game. Boston knew who they were playing. The only person they were worried about on that team was really Joel Embiid
Doc is living off of that stacked 1 champion he won in Boston, he will get another job
Kobe dominated the game in 3 dribbles or less just like Jordan but I know y’all don’t wanna big up Kobe about anything..
You put Doc n Harden together, it's a party for no shows
Doc wasn't even being that critical, the whole interview was great. Doc has a great mind and feel for the game, idc what anyone says.
@Chris Broussard, please don’t compare, Luka and James Harden with King James! Don’t do that, bra! King James dribbled the ball with a purpose..4 rings to none! Proof is in the f$&&ing pudding!
Doc Rivers didn't take a jab at Harden, he made a basketball analysis in the most respectful way. When Joel is out, Harden can play his vintage style to compensate for the scoring that's not available. But when Embid is on the court, Harden needs to play Doc's way to maximize the talent that's on the floor and that comes with giving up the ball and emphasizing the pick and roll. He essentially needs to play like Murray does for Denver.
Can we trade Harden for Murray?
I want to help flip the script on Harden. Instead of saying he was playing iso ball and this and that, you could say that he has adapted to many styles of play depending on the coach, the culture, and the scheme.
Say what you want, but the lakers vs Celtics where the Celtics won the chip, might be the highest quality finals game I have ever watched. It was a title fight of almost perfect basketball. So many years it’s sloppy team vs heavily favourite team, or a super team, so naturally they play at a high level naturally.
But man those Celtics and this lakers games were incredible.
The game of basketball is at the most beautiful when everyone is moving cutting sharing the ball like Denver played..bball its supposed to be played that way..Warriors played that way when they won also..Bulls with MJ also moving cutting sharing the ball..thats the winning game
Harden did Not have an outstanding series against Boston. He had some good games, but he wasn't consistent when they needed him. Maxey was pretty good and Embiid was there. You can play Harden more so now because he takes up time on offense before getting the ball moving. He'll step back shoot or drive. His driving to the rim was expected. They knew his move.
Had a better series than the sympathy mvp …
Basically Doc said Harden is not a winner!
Even Barkley used to call harden the best offensive perimeter player ever let him and maxey run and let embiid get his in the flow of the game instead of force feeding embiid so he can have energy on screens and defense because he's not lazy just tired from force feeding him and him taking too baby jumpers and not punishing the smaller bigs in the hole
And that's why Doc Rivers is not coaching the Philadelphia 76ers anymore. The moment he threw Ben Simmons under the bus. I knew he was never going to get this team anywhere near a championship because when the going gets tough I'll like a lot of his critics have said he likes to push blame on his players and throw his players under the bus more than he's willing to take account on what he couldn't do. A lot of the times when you're getting out played by a team. Sometimes motivation from a coach to his players is what you need and Doug doesn't seem like the type of coach that can really get his players motivate to want to play for him
Doc was right on. It's easy in the playoffs for a great player to have one or two good games. The question is, after the opposing team makes adjustments, can you find enough ways to impact the game to where your team wins the series. Having 2 games of 40+ points for a Hall of Fame player is not impossible. Can you find ways to lead your team after the defense shuts down your scoring? The answer with Harden has been NO.
& thats why jordan & kobe are the best 2 SG. A SG that can post up changes everything! But yall just wanna have a 3 point contest. Ruined the game
Save it Doc
It’s so funny how the media always asking for transparency and honesty but soon as anyone speaks the truth they bashed them ! Harden is a BALL STOPPER …Smaller version of Carmelo …just because he have a couple 40 point games it don’t mean what Doc said was not Accurate …I mean we’ve been seeing this act for 10 years !
This isn’t just James Harden, it’s most stars today. They can only play one way but this is supposedly the most skilled group of guys. Him scoring that much without Embiid proves Doc’s point. Obviously without Embiid they went to Harden ball, he never said Harden wasn’t good at that, but he can’t figure out how to win with the MVP on the floor. That’s the problem.
Doc was talking about how teams adjust to Harden to stop him throughout the series so game 1 isnt exactly a counter example...
Harden won them 2 games. The so called mvp couldn't win you another 2 games?
All these guys who loved Doc 10 years ago are the same people who love Ty Lue. In 10 years people will realize he’s just like Doc. Considered the best coach or second but don’t realize they can’t win the big games
Ty Lue is a great friggin Coach ! A Healthy Clippers team would have easily won the Chip!
Bill Simmons pod is so much more informational and entertaining than this and any show on ESPN or Fox
And this is why Doc Rivers has been fired from the last 2 coaches jobs he loves to throw shade and there his players under the bus lol No coach should ever tell others how to game plan against your own players or player that you've coached. That's where coaching comes into play. He's done that several times with his own players. Any wonders why he is been fired
Has he ever been wrong about what he’s said about those players
@@tjr2312 That's not the point the point is you don't go out to the media and say s**** like that and the expect to be a head coach of the NBA.
Chris you are talking about when he was younger and could recover faster yes he had two big games but the others he was flat out done! And they didn't stop him earlier because he hadn't played like that for an entire season!!
The problem with USA basketball is the same problem that Harden has..the "star players" are hoggin the ball pounding dribbling and either take a shot or give it to a shooter..Luka became that kind of player when he came in the NBA..I really dont understand how they are not coached to share the ball,cutting,moving all the time that's basic basketball and everyone should know how to move pass cut play off ball that is basic in Europe and that is why Jokic is dominating he knows basic bball plus the IQ the incredibble passing positioning not being selfish etc..and that's why Denver is the best team and are champions also Warriors played like that with a lot of moving offball cutting sharing the ball etc..that is why the world is on the same level as NBA now
I think James harden bets and gambles not on the books. He's throwing games for money. They need to investigate him
There was nothing to push back on the two good games James Harden had Jaylen Brown wasn't his primary defender, the 3 games Jaylen Brown was Harden's primary defender he clamped him up.
Doc said himself rondo was the coach of that celtics team
I’m a Harden fan. His play style is not winning basketball. He had 2 great games in that Boston series. Caleb Martin had a great series in Conference finals. A dead clock is right twice a day. Of course he’s gonna have a great game once or twice. The difference is great players have great games when it matters. He’s literally chocked in every pivotal game his team AND fans needed him the most. I want him to win a ring but unfortunately if he does it’s gonna be when he’s the third option or a role player not the star of the team
The fact that Doc didn't hold himself accountable invalidates anything he has to say regardless of how true it may or not may be, bc its coming from someone who's trying to skate on accountability
Mike D'Antoni is criminally underrated if you really think at it.
Dantoni changed the nba
Harden needs to play like a scorer when he’s off the ball and be a playmaker when he’s on the ball
Who cares? You can not win a chip with James harden UNLESS he’s a 6 man.
James Harden may have had “big” playoff games, but they never been the games that matter. James Harden has always been a no show in pivotal or elimination games
Didn't he mean, as it goes on. The other team figures him out? Check game 5 or 6. Professors
Sounded like he was just calling his game too predictible in general. Meaning that when teams gameplan for you,they have to try to figure out what your going to do as a team. James doesnt need to be accounted for,because you know exactly what hes going to do every game. Sounds like hes saying james cant play within a system
If you're supposed to be a top 75 all time player, then having 2 good games in a 7 game series is not good enough...especially when he was a non-factor in the deciding games 6 and 7. It's the story of Harden's career...he doesn't show up when the monies of the line. He did it in Houston, he quit on the Nets, and he's come up small with the Sixers. Despite Doc's post-season record, what he said was completely fair and accurate
Coaching Harden can't be any more challenging that wondering if he's gonna show up for your team come postseason time.
I know harden has his issue but let's not ignore the fact that doc is trying to use harden as a scapegoat like he did ben simmons a few years ago.......
Come on y’all, ask yourself this. Does James Harden ever have a big Game 6 or Game 7? Yes he can get off earlier in series but as teams make ADJUSTMENTS later in the series for his style he can’t compete with that. Teams will always start off a series with basic Vanilla coverages unless you’re Erik Spoelstra.
i dont care what anyone says about harden he can give you 50 in the playoffs is the difference but he just needs some help from two other stars to hit clutch shots
Doc rivers isn’t the problem. He’s been coaching guys with no heart for a long time now . Harden is chump choke artist . Embiid is a choke artist too . These guys have no intangibles. Id love to play for Doc Rivers
Even though i agree with Doc he is the King of throwing his players under the bus 😂
Doc was speaking facts. Harden’s style is predictable. Doesn’t mean he can’t go off. His biggest problem is mental and no competitive fire. Doc can’t say these things though. Jason Kidd doesn’t know how to coach so he just lets Luka do everything
Did he say Luka "doesn't play that way in International"? What?! He has never seen Luka in FIBA, he literally dribbles 90% of the time.
These guys are never satisfied with any interview with someone from the NBA. Doc isn't going to tarnish another player because he knows he still wants to coach in the NBA. Harden is still one of the best players in the game, so regardless of what, you have to choose your words carefully. Rob and Chris want you to "keep it real" but keeping it real doesn't mean talking negatively ALL THE TIME or bashing a player all the time
DOC RIVERS 🏆👏👏👏
Let's not act like Harden has shown up when it matters...Doc is right in my opinion
Harden comes from the tree of new age ⭐️ PGs that NEVER move without the ball. Likely none of them will win a title simply for this reason
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I think James Harden Quit in Doc Rivers. Harden was turning down shots and when Embiid comes back its like his whole demeanor changed. Doc can not make Harden compete. 💯🎯🎯🎯
Hardin learned how to play defense at the strip club
Broussard and Rob clearly didn’t understand.
First of all harden had 40 points with no Embiid cause he could play like himself and the other 40 point game comes down to the fact he’ll have a good game every now and then but the facts are Boston was not playing well and Harden still didn’t show up in Game 2-3-6-7 so what is Rob Parker talking about????
Doc = 1 Championship
Harden = 0 Championship
Most Sports Commentators = Every Championship
Embid deserves more blame then anybody but he never gets any 🤷🏿♂️
James Harden has had some great playoff games, however he's had some real stinkers when it matters. He scored 45 points in game 1 because Boston plays uneven and lackluster defense. The entire playoffs illustrate that.
The reason james was able to do what he did in game one against boston is because he was playing "harden" ball and the other team hadn't seen enough of his houston style of play to know if he was good enough still to play that way and they hadnt seen enough to know how to properly game plan against it. Doc is right though. The most valuable playoff player isnt the one that can do the most. Its the one that can do the most within a system which allows a cohesive team identy. At the pro level "get the ball to my guy" is relatively easy to stop with preparation
Harden in his advancing age and reduced ability to beat guys off the dribble is kind of like butler. If he can't get to the line his game suffers DRAMATICALLY. And it's like he can't score.
Wait a minute, who was the coach, Doc or James? Harden should be playing how Doc needs him to.
Doc “snitching” on Harden 😂
That trio of Embiid, Doc, and Harden may have been doomed from the start in hindsight
Man, Harden scores when there is no pressure. These dudes are acting like he blew Boston away in those two games. There was no pressure whatsoever on Harden in Game 1, and as a Sixers fan he literally shocked me when he made that corner three in Game, did not expect him to step up in that moment, and would have been justified in thinking so.
This is just a disingenuous discussion between these two. They don't like Rivers, they think he's overrated, and he is, but to discredir what hes saying about Harden is crazy. We all watched that series, and we know what we saw.
Chris said it perfectly though. Who cares if you can drop 40 in the first 3 or 4 games when everyone knows you're going to be a dud when the series is on the line?
Come on guys.
James will quit on whatever team he's playing on if he doesn't get his way. He will quit on you....and that's FACTUAL 💯
Most NBA players can't play without the ball
Bruh Jordan has the most shot attempts in one game what are they talking about that’s the definition of ball dominant , good lord these guys be saying anything
Doc trying to say . : james is stuck in his ways. He dribbles for 20 seconds a possession, and only looks to pass when he doesnt have a shot. He doesnt play defense and he is stuck in his playong style.. he doesnt try to upgrade his playstyle defensively nor as a offensive team player..
i don’t think the 2 points are mutually exclusive. they’re acting like Doc said “in the playoffs he can’t score” that’s not what he said. And everybody knows Boston has the tendency to play down to their opponents or take games off.. Hence 42 and 43 point games. But when they’re totally locked in and playing for their season, his offensive skill ( though deadly) is easier to navigate when everybody is locked in.
it’s not the same point and 1 doesn’t eat the other. like at first they totally disagree with Doc and then spend the next 10 minutes talking about Harden and other players that exactly describe what Doc said 😂😂🤦🏾♂️