I have seen some poor driving but this is at the top. They managed to run slower 0-60 and quarter mile times than the stock cars. I've personally gone 12.23 at 117mph in a bone stock 2020 Mustang GT manual. These cars should have easily been in the low 10 sec.range.
If you overpower a car, then it will inevitably go slower in short distances due to a lack of traction. Just as Bosko said. Plus, these are manuals. Looks like you aren't a car guy.
@@aXrF Set up a 2 stage and that wouldn't be a problem. I have a 2018 Mustang GT just running a tune and E85 and my 0-60 alone is 4.2 with street tires and a non prepped surface. There is no reason why there cars should be running slower at any distance.
Glad to see them have fun, would have been much nicer to watch somebody show us what these cars are capable of. 900+ hp cars running damn near stock numbers lmao
Ye wtf... A stock GR Yaris can hit a 4.7 / 0-60 time with 286 bhp... this was a let down... Was hoping to see at least under 4 secs not w/e this was. The 1/4 mile was slower too, embarrassing.
Just for reference. A stock GT quarter-mile time is 12.6 seconds. 0-60 is 4.4 secs (manual). They seem to be casual car lovers and not the racing type. I think we all forget not everyone races their cars on this channel. Prepped surface would have helped for sure, buy they were in it to have fun not set times.
And Tom is the costumer of Ben with a 9 to 5 job to pay Ben for that great Hellion build . Ben is the tuner who breaths this stuff 24/7 and after many years of experience knows what works and what doesn't. His choice of the Torsen Diff and longer rear gear is telling. A small point but still telling nonetheless. With massive F1 levels of HP/TQ you don't need a lot gear and it will hurt you getting traction.
Tom got him back 3 when he didn’t have to have any skill to drive and the boost was spooled on a roll run. Throw** Ben in Toms car and bet it’s same outcome . Tom doesn’t understand how to manage power
As I have said on many Mustang videos: “there are four ways you can create a 12sec street Mustang: 500hp, 600hp, 700hp and 800hp” I guess if you’re stupid enough you can also spend even more money and add a 900hp to that list
@@dontjivewitha5559 stock is possible to get 12’s (especially at a track) but requires some strict unicorn levels of surface grip, warmed up tyres and no heat soak for the street . They are a rock solid reliable low 13sec car in most street conditions.
Definitely... Long time racer and the turbo car was short shifting before the Turbos were at full power and granny shifting. The Supercharged car not so much but both should have performed much better. We've seen Tuned V-6 Ford Explorer's (Twin Turbo's) running those speeds/times .... Auto All Wheel Drives of course.
Comes down to drivers, coupled with tire choices and an un-prepped surface. To put into perspective, Dammond Motorsports took a Mazdaspeed 6 and did full bolt ons and a protune on the stock turbo/engine and ran an 11.7 at the 1/4. That was a 285 whp, AWD car that weighed in at 3600 lbs. That’s essentially the same engine as a mustang ecoboost. Why was it 1 second quicker despite having 3.5x less hp? It was driven by a guy who knows how to drive really well, on a prepped course, and of course AWD putting in the work. These mustangs on proper radials on a prepped course witj good drivers will run 10’s all day, maybe even hit high 9’s…
Well I've always thought if you can't put the power down it's what's the point? .. "900+hp" and the stock 5.0 would leave you at the lights .. but it was really fun to watch 😁
@@Stringfellow-xo6do RS3 are very fast cars straight out the box nice car AWD life no messing about 🤪👍🏻 , well those Mustangs need a alot of things to be able to put that power down properly pair of slicks would be my first do to on the list ...but even then i bet they would have a hard time it's just so much power , as they say ( spinning ain't winning ).
My stock mk8 golf r does 0 to 60 in 3.9 to 4.1 sec range and 1/4mile 12.23 at 113mph to 12.5 at 111mph also a stock mustang gt auto can do a 12 flat 1/4 mile lol at this video . And yes traction is the key to everything.
@@fungaming4k that's a very quick car can't imagine what that feels like especially in a hatch 😁 your 1/4s are strong too very impressive👍🏻, I timed the 2019 GT 500 convertible 0-60 was the 10 speed auto and the roof was down I have it on video via GPS timer best I did was 4.71s car was stock 460hp and that to me was so fast , I wish I just had more time to practice with it that day, it was the first time driving it.
@@Stringfellow-xo6do of course youre gonna get them at the lights, but if you see one cruising on the highway, dont try to mess with it cause he gonna leave you in the dust
So even with actually competent drivers the supercharger is going to win this one as the turbocharger is poorly set up. The supercharger has more horsepower, so you have the better low end torque and responsiveness and are beating the turbocharger where it should be winning (top end power). Turbochargers have higher boost potential and lower parasitic losses...
They're on an unprepped surface, so the elapsed time for a 0-60 or 1/4th mile are totally irrelevant. However the TRAP SPEED for both vehicles is extremely, extremely indicative of both these cars having nowhere near the amount of claimed power lol. If these cars really were past 900bhp, they'd both be into the 140s for the trap, regardless of how poor of a launch they may have.
@@Phantom-gj9hf My Z makes 600 wheel and even spinning all the way down the poorly prepped track it traps in the mid 130’s. 137 is my fastest trap due to poor intercooler efficiency so maybe these guys are heat soaked by the end.
All these people saying these cars are slow, take into consideration the strip they are on is like a back lane. No prep at all, loose surface etc. Close to 1000bhp to the back wheels means very little traction at all 🤷♂️ from a roll these would smoke most your cars 😂
that's because people act like they brain. don't understand the video like you said No prep at all, loose surface back road like racing Close to 1000bhp its going to be impossible to get traction!.
But in fact they are slow on that surface. The surface is part of the world. Only fast on stickies at the drag strip, which is mostly useless in the real world.
980 bhp is around 750 at the wheels. And when you have drivers bouncing off limiters because they THINK paddle shiftibg is quicker, when it isnt, is a issue itself and a manual trans with these cars is not the best choice and crappy street tires, lol. 0-60 probably 5 sec. 1/4 in the mid 11's.
Dang !!! I was really wanting to see the results between these two cars. But due to the non driving ability of each driver we shall never know. I mean the one guy is like a kid in a baseball game, could care less about winning just watching grasshoppers. LOL Would really love to see a serious comparison of these cars to help settle turbo or super charger ?
@@jamalwilliams86 Yeah plus they're easier on the engine because they make their peak torque at higher rpm's thus less stress on the engine. I'm planning on building a twin turbo LT1 Buick Roadmaster as a sleeper. Forged 383 stroker internals and a fat cam and heads will make it fly.
Can tell they're just having fun with their cars not trying to go out and compete. Good on em. I think if I hit snooze on my alarm 5 times before getting out of bed, I'd still have a better reaction time getting out the door than they did on the 1/4 mile 🤣
Id really like to see these same two cars competing with professional drivers on race tyres. Those 1/4 mile times are super sad, I had an 86 pushrod 5.0 with maybe 350 horsepower that did high 11's
You are *DEFINITELY NOT* running high 11's with a 350hp Foxbody mustang! I have owned 4 Foxbody stangs and the one that I own now was dyno'd at 372hp and Im running mid to low 13's. Even on a prepped surface I'm still in the 13's. High 11's and low 12's is what Gen 3 and 4 vipers run!
Driver mod needed for both cars, when u get the giggles driving your own car you clearly don't have enough seat time🤦🏾♂️...as soon as both cars begin to get into power the drivers chicken out and grab the next gear and fall out of the power band on every upshift...
Awesome video!!!! You can tell from the sheer delight of the drivers that there is so many smiles per gallon to be had with a 'stang!!! That pure V8 muscle soundtrack and brutal power that can barely be laid down like a wild horse that's out of control, so savage! Every car has its own personality and I think this vid showcases why Mustang enthusiasts love it so much. I'd honestly rather be in a RWD American V8 muscle car than a faster car that traps faster with less cylinders and less personality. and this is coming from an AWD modified Audi owner. :) Great vid Jamie and great people as always well done!!!
I loved my 3.0 SC Jag XFs, I got 5.8 0-60 from a stock car, petrol of course, on PZero's. LHD import from Qatar when I worked there, I loved it so much I brought it home with me. Obviously both these would leave it standing but SC is the way to go, power delivery is instant from the low end to top end, whenever you boot it, it goes no matter what the revs are.
To be fair that's probably done on a prepped surface that would rip your shoe off it if you tried to walk on it, this is on an old dusty runway with grass growing out of it.
Jamie, would be really interesting to see how a standard auto Mustang would fair against them, I have a black 5.0l V8 2018 Mustang, with a Rousch exhaust system and slightly lowered standard engine etc. I just think that on that surface my car could probably match them, as it could probably get its power down better and then no manual change, sometimes all the power in the world is useless if all your doing is spinning your wheels. That said great cars, sound amazing and great video . If you ever want to put them up against a standard one for comparison, I’m a member of gas gang and we have spoken before 👍
@@RobertYayo No although 2018 and registered in July it is one of the very last old shapes so carry’s the 6R80. I prefer the look of that shape as well the £150 tax a year rather than £500, with the Rousch exhaust system and it’s slightly lowered, so hunkers down nicely as an all round package suited my needs better. The sound of that V8 is just everything I love about the car, it is a cruiser, but will put the power down when you need it, I use the paddles a lot so get the most out of the engine.. The 10R80 is a better box but the need for 10 gears in the UK isn’t something I’ve missed
If I had "950 hp" and was running a trap speed of 122-128mph I would drive through the first crowd of people I saw straight back to my tuner for the real power figure and a retune.
Superchargers always made more sense to me because the power is based on engine RPM, turbos on the other hand are too dynamic in their power delivery. honestly though I haven't driven a performance car with either, just turbo diesel 4 bangers and an old 4.2L turbo Nissan Patrol.
So much power and so slow 😂😂😂 Nice to see both of them laughing BUT man it’s actually something to cry about haha Jamie you’re a legend bro, love to watch your channel 💪💪💪
On street tires and an unprepped surface, not surprised by the difference. These cars on radials are a real strip with experienced drivers are both capable of 10’s day, maybe even a high 9
I built an N/A Camaro (pretty radical but still N/A) that was putting down 550hp and it would still lose traction even from a 90mph cruising speed... 900hp is nothing to scoff at in the realm of tractionable abilities lol...
@@AntoninusPius2 oh wow forgot I made this comment. They need drag radials and a higher roll. I have a 5th Gen ZL1 700whp I had no traction doing a 3rd gear pull at 70mph BFGoodrich G force tires. Now running Nitto 555r2 and have traction.
@@PT82 So you Do not have mustang to start with. So why are you even talking about how they started the drag race? I love people like you, talking about how others drive or accelerate etc. You know it is not easy to do that when you have 3 cameras pointing at you and other cameras elsewhere. You will get nervous.
Mega video Jamie. Shame about all the brain farts in the comments! Not much point staying in 1st when you don’t have any traction and both guys showed up purposefully well matched on street tyres. To all the haters, watch Jamie’s mini video and you will see a normal car gate asbo and then get gobbled up like it’s stationary once it gets traction. Put either of these on a prepped surface with street radials and they would upset anything. The drivers know this and are out having fun. Maybe invite MAP down for a serious race where they can show drag prepped and do it properly 😈 ✌🏼
I run street radials on my Audi in the summer, and have drag springs. Weight shift plus tire is a big deal. I didn’t see too good of weight shift on the cars. They are 900hp road cars with the wrong suspension and tire. I give it two years before both cars are crashed. Yeah my Audis faster, I also can put down 900 if I want and use it reliably unlike a mustang. My ea888.3 is ticking so I’m saving for a 2.5t conversion. Currently run 25 psi through A stock is20 cad smokes anything I want.
Who woulda thought… for a DD, there is such thing as TOO MUCH power… I learned this lesson with my 04 SVT focus years ago when I went turbo. The car was actually more fun @ 200hp rather then 390hp.
Still doesn't make sense how a foxbody with h/c/i... pushing 320whp with a t5 trans and some random street tires... runs a mid to high 12 second quarter.... somethings deff wrong here. Or they're at super high elevation?
Interesting battle...Supercharging vs Turbocharging on the same car. I noticed the supercharged car was able to rev cleaner and pull harder higher up the rpm range through its gears than the Turbocharged car did. So maybe "slightly larger" sized turbos are required but with similar boost levels on the Turbocharged Mustang or more waste gating or a combination of both. Cool video always entertaining!
Bigger turbos means the power delivery is worse, but you make bigger power. Because superchargers are lineair with the engine the power delivery is better.
@@dalturbo he wouldn't smoke them because of the power, but because of these drivers and conditions. A 10 speed automatic with proper tires especially when 250hp more than a 700hp C63 would get destroyed.
@@notyourtypicalfarah7194Yeah ... the problem on W204 C63' s is that you cant get bigger tyres than 275 on the back i think. If he runs 700 HP, those 275s are rookie numbers, 295 would be better which pretty much even a base 911 (no turbo, no turbo s) uses. For comparison a RS5 has 275 on ALL Wheels, front and back, even just with 450 hp. I read into the C63 thematics and the consens is that theres not enough space in the wheel arch for such tyres because you won't fit a 295 rubber on a 9.5J Rim. So you would need at least a 11.0J Rim. I know some people who also have 650-750 hp supercharged W204 C63 ' s and everyone complains about the traction problems. I guess it would still be better than here because the c63 is only automatic. 1000nm on the rear on a manual is uncontrollable from a standing start, thats why some people use custom differentials which are controlled by a GPS Box and custom gearbox control unit which is constantly measuring the wheelspin and taking away power until the tyre does not spin anymore. It works great but most people are too dumb to understand why this is even needed, because they think you can floor 1000nm on the rear and it takes off like a electric car.... It shows that nobodoy really driven a mustang in this comment section because even stock with TC Off the tyres will spin for good 2 seconds until it grips.
I love the huge smile from running a 12.88 with 950hp. Sounds like people who spend money and not spend time working and driving high performance cars. An exercise in excess.
My 2021 manual runs 12.5 seconds and all I have had done is Resonator delete-H pipe Roush CAI Lund box tune 305 tires All around A stock 10 speed with nothing but a CAI runs right with me. Those transmissions are pretty ridiculous
Interesting/fun video of two guys enjoying the cars...no argument there. However, would have been interesting to see it with two people who could actually shift a manual like they were actually racing - not going to the grocery store. Some pretty slow shifting going on there. Even the roll race, they both didn't seem to be starting off in their power band.
@@inkman6964People wont understand that. 95% of the people commenting here know nothing about cars. The youtube comment section is the worst education source for such things, people are ignorant. Theres literally 13 year olds who never driven a car saying they would launch a 980 HP RWD Manual car better than someone who went through the huge hassle to even get it forced induction and probably has his license since 15 years AND driven other 500HP cars before... Thats the state of the comment section since years.
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At sea level on a cool dry air, low humidity day. My tuned 2015 Mustang GT ran a 12.82 at 118mph, on a concrete surface. So those boosted cars must be at a considerable elevation in damp air and a poor road surface.
Geez, they can't even beat 1980's era 5.0 times with some gears and good tires. I was turning 12.56 ets in a 1966 Mustang with a 289 on street tires and an open 3.5 rear. Daily driven automatic with a carb. This is just showing that dyno power numbers don't mean a damn thing on the street or on the track. I worked at a company that built a turbo 351 1985 mustang that first pass at the track was an 8.6 et... chassis was only legal for 9.90... again, daily driven. They dyno'd over 1000hp, but dialed it down to low 900hp to get it down the track on street legal slicks.
Why so slow for the power? I mean they're fast by normal car standards, but not 900bhp+ fast. Either the power is hugely exaggerated or Mustangs have an awful chassis? Would of thought 3 sec 0-60 and 10 or 11 sec 1/4 mile for those specs.
Traction... Ah yeah never heard of it silly me. Surely 900bhp+ cars would have decent suspension, tyres, LSD, etc which would all aid performance stats? These cars are underperforming massively for the power in comparison to other modern machinery. Hence why they're barely on the leader board against cars with almost half the power. Like I said is it a Mustang chassis thing where they just can't put the power down or are these cars not really running the power they say?
@@SpiritBlueFezST remember manufacturers only quote their best times - not necessarily the times you’d expect on the road (or runway). US times are notoriously optimistic and they usually do their times at the strip after a burn out and on a prepped strip. Makes a big difference. Adding more power to Mustangs is the ultimate example of how men are still on the whole, mostly stupid, and are susceptible to marketing and big dyno print outs and claims. The male equivalent of Prada handbags. There is nothing rational about it. Powerful RWD cars start getting slower 0-100km/h times after they creep above 400-450hp atw (on the street using street tyres). The useable power/speed band just creeps further and further up to the point they do not serve as a useful street car platform.
If you think 900hp Mustangs can't be fast than you don't anything about them. Firstly, they didn't have proper tires and secondly they guys can't shift a manual fast enough. If these idiots had proper tires and had a 10 speed automatic, they would be faster.
I have a slightly modded 2016 gt and would love to have a supercharger. I will say at our local drag strip all the fastest mustangs have single or twin turbos though.
I have seen some poor driving but this is at the top. They managed to run slower 0-60 and quarter mile times than the stock cars. I've personally gone 12.23 at 117mph in a bone stock 2020 Mustang GT manual. These cars should have easily been in the low 10 sec.range.
Overpowering the street does no good , so you are right you would run faster on the street with a stock GT
Even an Ecoboost can run a faster 1/4 mile than these
If you overpower a car, then it will inevitably go slower in short distances due to a lack of traction. Just as Bosko said. Plus, these are manuals. Looks like you aren't a car guy.
I wish they would’ve put some slicks or bigger tire on the rear
@@aXrF Set up a 2 stage and that wouldn't be a problem. I have a 2018 Mustang GT just running a tune and E85 and my 0-60 alone is 4.2 with street tires and a non prepped surface.
There is no reason why there cars should be running slower at any distance.
They are the slowest fast cars I’ve ever seen
🤣🤣🤣
You mean the slowest fast cars
900+ HP and they 0-60s are insane 😂
This is right 😂maybe they need more seat time and they’ll drive them a bit faster ☠️
I fell asleep 😴. Who won?
This reminds me of that old supra joke.
What do a 400 hp and 1000 hp supra have in common? They both run 12s in the 1/4.
Same for these mustangs
Exactly, but numbers make good for click bait content.
In the real world it would be excellent doing highway pulls, racing the lights and so on life isn't about quarter mile
Lol
@@user-kr1or1hm4v Unless we're pulling from 5th, I think I got 'em.
Yep, an old fox body with a few mods and drag radials would do that, for a fraction of the cost!! Yuppie cars!! Bells and whistles!
Glad to see them have fun, would have been much nicer to watch somebody show us what these cars are capable of. 900+ hp cars running damn near stock numbers lmao
Ye wtf... A stock GR Yaris can hit a 4.7 / 0-60 time with 286 bhp... this was a let down... Was hoping to see at least under 4 secs not w/e this was. The 1/4 mile was slower too, embarrassing.
Lol I said the same exact thing
@@carebox5932the stock 2018+ GT is already under 4 seconds 0-60 so this is bad. But they can’t make it hook which is what kills them.
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@@carebox5932power to weight as well
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Just for reference. A stock GT quarter-mile time is 12.6 seconds.
0-60 is 4.4 secs (manual).
They seem to be casual car lovers and not the racing type. I think we all forget not everyone races their cars on this channel.
Prepped surface would have helped for sure, buy they were in it to have fun not set times.
A stock GT is considerably easier to launch as well or drive quickly from slow speeds.
Surface that; not the car. Both, especially AS60 have little factory chassis parts left on them 👍🏼
I was just thinking those r some really slow times 😄
lol don’t believe manufacture numbers, I have yet to see a stock mustang run low 12s
So the cars with nearly 1000bhp are slower to 60 than stock?!
I knew the mustang was gonna take the win 🔥
Me too I said the black Mustang
@@Antimatter. yess the manual one
frrr i knew the GT would win
I knew the boosted one was gonna win
I had the Ford
Tom clearly doesn't give a shizzle who wins ... he's just loving life! 😂😎👌👊
And Tom is the costumer of Ben with a 9 to 5 job to pay Ben for that great Hellion build . Ben is the tuner who breaths this stuff 24/7 and after many years of experience knows what works and what doesn't. His choice of the Torsen Diff and longer rear gear is telling. A small point but still telling nonetheless. With massive F1 levels of HP/TQ you don't need a lot gear and it will hurt you getting traction.
Tom got him back 3 when he didn’t have to have any skill to drive and the boost was spooled on a roll run. Throw** Ben in Toms car and bet it’s same outcome . Tom doesn’t understand how to manage power
loving life and destroying the enviroment
Nar. That's how a child acts when ur embarrased ur getting smashed so u act like it's all good fun and it's not a competition.
I wouldn't care. Imagine hopping in this when you wake up and just drive casually, just that would be heaven.
BETTER DRIVERS + BETTER TIRES = BETTER RESULTS
Exactamundo
I like this type of test you should do this for all other cars so people can actually have a clue which kit suits your daily driving needs
As I have said on many Mustang videos: “there are four ways you can create a 12sec street Mustang: 500hp, 600hp, 700hp and 800hp” I guess if you’re stupid enough you can also spend even more money and add a 900hp to that list
😂... Also keeping it stock should be on that list
@@dontjivewitha5559 stock is possible to get 12’s (especially at a track) but requires some strict unicorn levels of surface grip, warmed up tyres and no heat soak for the street . They are a rock solid reliable low 13sec car in most street conditions.
@@MrTroytroy 10spd stock PP1 mustangs run 11s from the factory. Low 12s very reliably
@@lucasjaramillo3478 on the street? On street tyres using a Dragy/vbox without tyre warm up (the context we are talking about in this video?)
@@MrTroytroy yeah these cars can run in the low 12s pretty easily on stock tires
the short shifts kill me every time 😩 it makes a big ass difference
Definitely... Long time racer and the turbo car was short shifting before the Turbos were at full power and granny shifting. The Supercharged car not so much but both should have performed much better.
We've seen Tuned V-6 Ford Explorer's (Twin Turbo's) running those speeds/times .... Auto All Wheel Drives of course.
Comes down to drivers, coupled with tire choices and an un-prepped surface. To put into perspective, Dammond Motorsports took a Mazdaspeed 6 and did full bolt ons and a protune on the stock turbo/engine and ran an 11.7 at the 1/4. That was a 285 whp, AWD car that weighed in at 3600 lbs. That’s essentially the same engine as a mustang ecoboost. Why was it 1 second quicker despite having 3.5x less hp? It was driven by a guy who knows how to drive really well, on a prepped course, and of course AWD putting in the work. These mustangs on proper radials on a prepped course witj good drivers will run 10’s all day, maybe even hit high 9’s…
I run high 11s with a fbo 2nd gen. These are 9 second cars lol
Right? Coyote's need to be revved all the way out for max power.
Well I've always thought if you can't put the power down it's what's the point? .. "900+hp" and the stock 5.0 would leave you at the lights .. but it was really fun to watch 😁
My stage 1 RS 3 does faster 0-60s and 1/4 miles than these 900hp monsters, but I bet their drift game is strong.
@@Stringfellow-xo6do RS3 are very fast cars straight out the box nice car AWD life no messing about 🤪👍🏻 , well those Mustangs need a alot of things to be able to put that power down properly pair of slicks would be my first do to on the list ...but even then i bet they would have a hard time it's just so much power , as they say ( spinning ain't winning ).
My stock mk8 golf r does 0 to 60 in 3.9 to 4.1 sec range and 1/4mile 12.23 at 113mph to 12.5 at 111mph also a stock mustang gt auto can do a 12 flat 1/4 mile lol at this video . And yes traction is the key to everything.
@@fungaming4k that's a very quick car can't imagine what that feels like especially in a hatch 😁 your 1/4s are strong too very impressive👍🏻, I timed the 2019 GT 500 convertible 0-60 was the 10 speed auto and the roof was down I have it on video via GPS timer best I did was 4.71s car was stock 460hp and that to me was so fast , I wish I just had more time to practice with it that day, it was the first time driving it.
@@Stringfellow-xo6do of course youre gonna get them at the lights, but if you see one cruising on the highway, dont try to mess with it cause he gonna leave you in the dust
The guy in the turbo charged car was granny shifting.
So even with actually competent drivers the supercharger is going to win this one as the turbocharger is poorly set up. The supercharger has more horsepower, so you have the better low end torque and responsiveness and are beating the turbocharger where it should be winning (top end power). Turbochargers have higher boost potential and lower parasitic losses...
Granny shifting is faster in news cars cause modern gearboxes have synchros. Get with the times boomer.
@@AV-nl9gc I’m not a boomer. I’m Gen X. So take a seat.
@@feiery keep saying dumb shit well keep treating you like one
@@feierylol😂nice response
They're on an unprepped surface, so the elapsed time for a 0-60 or 1/4th mile are totally irrelevant. However the TRAP SPEED for both vehicles is extremely, extremely indicative of both these cars having nowhere near the amount of claimed power lol. If these cars really were past 900bhp, they'd both be into the 140s for the trap, regardless of how poor of a launch they may have.
Facts
With those 60 foot they got, i say low 130s MPH at 750whp. Need like 1.5 60foot to get close to 140 at their 750ish wheel.
No tires for the race…
Wrong, I have a 2017 Gt350 with a Whipple supercharger that makes 940hp, with no traction it trapped 124 mph in the quarter, traction is a big decider
@@Phantom-gj9hf My Z makes 600 wheel and even spinning all the way down the poorly prepped track it traps in the mid 130’s. 137 is my fastest trap due to poor intercooler efficiency so maybe these guys are heat soaked by the end.
All these people saying these cars are slow, take into consideration the strip they are on is like a back lane. No prep at all, loose surface etc. Close to 1000bhp to the back wheels means very little traction at all 🤷♂️ from a roll these would smoke most your cars 😂
that's because people act like they brain. don't understand the video like you said No prep at all, loose surface back road like racing Close to 1000bhp its going to be impossible to get traction!.
But in fact they are slow on that surface. The surface is part of the world. Only fast on stickies at the drag strip, which is mostly useless in the real world.
I drove my 2013 Corolla at 70 mph on a 45moh road, I know what fast is 😎😎😎
They still slow 😂😂😂😂😂
980 bhp is around 750 at the wheels. And when you have drivers bouncing off limiters because they THINK paddle shiftibg is quicker, when it isnt, is a issue itself and a manual trans with these cars is not the best choice and crappy street tires, lol. 0-60 probably 5 sec. 1/4 in the mid 11's.
Tom don't care, he has had a wicked day & is happy regardless .
Dont let bro in the turbo mustang cook Again.
The sound of those engines is unlike anything I've driven here in the UK.
Dang !!! I was really wanting to see the results between these two cars. But due to the non driving ability of each driver we shall never know. I mean the one guy is like a kid in a baseball game, could care less about winning just watching grasshoppers. LOL Would really love to see a serious comparison of these cars to help settle turbo or super charger ?
well he did hit all his shifts. whereas the other guy did not
I mean a turbo can always add more boost easier than the blower twist a knob, press a button and bam... Hopefully not bang😅
@@jamalwilliams86 Yeah plus they're easier on the engine because they make their peak torque at higher rpm's thus less stress on the engine. I'm planning on building a twin turbo LT1 Buick Roadmaster as a sleeper. Forged 383 stroker internals and a fat cam and heads will make it fly.
Lol😂 Now this comment deserves recognition!
@@matthewmorgan582not to mention turbo helps gas economy because it uses exhaust gasses whereas superchargers actually make it worse
I've army crawled the 1/4 mile quicker 😂 supercharger sound is 😗👌
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This comment gave me a right good chuckle, cheers pal.
Can tell they're just having fun with their cars not trying to go out and compete. Good on em. I think if I hit snooze on my alarm 5 times before getting out of bed, I'd still have a better reaction time getting out the door than they did on the 1/4 mile 🤣
Supercharged all the way! Mustang is known from the very beginning because it was supercharged. Awesome race! Loved this video.
Get two pro drivers so we can see the real race
Jamie's 335d had a quicker quarter time. These are slowest fast cars I have ever seen 🤣
Lol my 335i would have left around 6 bus lengths on them. It’s pushing 630HP 😂 don’t sleep on the 335is
Hence my 4wd Whipple on the street :)
Mustangs are a waste of money unless it’s a gt500 but even then that’s a 100k car
@@Chriskary1 Sure
Tom lost the race, but won our hearts. He's just loving life and I am all for it. And I'm sure he'll build it up to be even crazier down the line.
Id really like to see these same two cars competing with professional drivers on race tyres. Those 1/4 mile times are super sad, I had an 86 pushrod 5.0 with maybe 350 horsepower that did high 11's
You are *DEFINITELY NOT* running high 11's with a 350hp Foxbody mustang!
I have owned 4 Foxbody stangs and the one that I own now was dyno'd at 372hp and Im running mid to low 13's. Even on a prepped surface I'm still in the 13's.
High 11's and low 12's is what Gen 3 and 4 vipers run!
@@tumarbongrox6074 I think you need better tires
@@dominator9833 what car do you own?....post it? All of your knowledge comes from watching TH-cam videos and playing racing video games🙂
loved this video. love seeing people just having fun, friendly competition.
1946 Packard. twin-supercharged V8. Carbon fiber hood and sides. Roll-bars. Stardust eggplant-purple. Give me about three years prior to rollout.
Driver mod needed for both cars, when u get the giggles driving your own car you clearly don't have enough seat time🤦🏾♂️...as soon as both cars begin to get into power the drivers chicken out and grab the next gear and fall out of the power band on every upshift...
Awesome video!!!! You can tell from the sheer delight of the drivers that there is so many smiles per gallon to be had with a 'stang!!! That pure V8 muscle soundtrack and brutal power that can barely be laid down like a wild horse that's out of control, so savage!
Every car has its own personality and I think this vid showcases why Mustang enthusiasts love it so much. I'd honestly rather be in a RWD American V8 muscle car than a faster car that traps faster with less cylinders and less personality. and this is coming from an AWD modified Audi owner. :) Great vid Jamie and great people as always well done!!!
Love the sound! Evenly matched drivers with evenly matched cars sending their sick whips down a track, what’s not to like? 🔥🔥🔥
Their driving skills! Both should of gotten the 10 speeds...
That neither one of them can drive?
Wow they are just as fast as stock Mustang GTs. What an amazing feat!
I loved my 3.0 SC Jag XFs, I got 5.8 0-60 from a stock car, petrol of course, on PZero's. LHD import from Qatar when I worked there, I loved it so much I brought it home with me. Obviously both these would leave it standing but SC is the way to go, power delivery is instant from the low end to top end, whenever you boot it, it goes no matter what the revs are.
I wonder if the different differentials had a hand in the win or loose 🤔
On the money, the Torsen diff gives AS60 a big advantage 👍🏼
A bone stock Mustang GT will do 4.1 sec to 60 and 12.1 quarter mile.
To be fair that's probably done on a prepped surface that would rip your shoe off it if you tried to walk on it, this is on an old dusty runway with grass growing out of it.
With an experienced driver it does 3.8 seconds to 60 and high 11s in the 1/4 mile. Bone stock
@@drivescene6747 lmao, thats bs
@@thewanderer899 no it isn't you're on TH-cam look it up
@@scottscuthbert6889 exactly, people don’t look up anything these days
10:10 the race starts Supercharged left Turbo'd right
Turbo'd left supercharged right*
@@tylerneal3867 bro what
It’s really a 10-speed auto vs a 6-speed manual transmission. Should have both used the same transmission for a true Supercharged / Turbo shootout.
12 seconds LMAO 🤣 I will keep my low 9 second V6 Buick Grand National 🤣
Two beautiful sounding cars! 👍👌 The strangest thing happened to me went to bed with a tts on the drive and woke to a S5 4.2 V8 🤣
amazing how when there's no crowd's, they manage to go in a straight line 🤔,also Jamie you got some balls standing between those 2 crowd surfers 💪😂
Mustangs aren’t crowd killers anymore lol. This joke is old and corny
@@lucasjaramillo3478 i agree, i think mopar takes the crown for crowd killer these days
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Jamie, would be really interesting to see how a standard auto Mustang would fair against them, I have a black 5.0l V8 2018 Mustang, with a Rousch exhaust system and slightly lowered standard engine etc. I just think that on that surface my car could probably match them, as it could probably get its power down better and then no manual change, sometimes all the power in the world is useless if all your doing is spinning your wheels. That said great cars, sound amazing and great video . If you ever want to put them up against a standard one for comparison, I’m a member of gas gang and we have spoken before 👍
You must have the glorious 10R80 auto💪🏽
@@RobertYayo No although 2018 and registered in July it is one of the very last old shapes so carry’s the 6R80. I prefer the look of that shape as well the £150 tax a year rather than £500, with the Rousch exhaust system and it’s slightly lowered, so hunkers down nicely as an all round package suited my needs better. The sound of that V8 is just everything I love about the car, it is a cruiser, but will put the power down when you need it, I use the paddles a lot so get the most out of the engine.. The 10R80 is a better box but the need for 10 gears in the UK isn’t something I’ve missed
@@stevee8920 wow i did not know the 18 came with a 6r80 i assumed once the face changed in 18+ the 10r80 was standard
The sound of the supercharger in the drag, i love supercharger
I love the searing whistle of a supercharger.
If I had "950 hp" and was running a trap speed of 122-128mph I would drive through the first crowd of people I saw straight back to my tuner for the real power figure and a retune.
Its all traction and driver limited. Throw some radials on it and your in the 10’s
😂😂😂😂💔
It's amazing how straight a Mustang can go when they don't have any crowds to attack
I think you mean chargers now.
@@Jpippy97 both
Love that end of strip / cone camera...you hear that whipple then a minute later, a car comes past 😂 Nice 👍🏻
Superchargers always made more sense to me because the power is based on engine RPM, turbos on the other hand are too dynamic in their power delivery. honestly though I haven't driven a performance car with either, just turbo diesel 4 bangers and an old 4.2L turbo Nissan Patrol.
Don't stop, these videos are the best.
Goes to show, superchargers still reign supreme. Nothing beats the whine.
Turbo Sounds > Supercharger sounds
*who agrees?*
So much power and so slow 😂😂😂
Nice to see both of them laughing BUT man it’s actually something to cry about haha Jamie you’re a legend bro, love to watch your channel 💪💪💪
almost 1000 HP and running mid to high 12's....that should be embarrassing
On street tires and an unprepped surface, not surprised by the difference. These cars on radials are a real strip with experienced drivers are both capable of 10’s day, maybe even a high 9
If you knew anything, you’d know it’s the drivers not the cars
These dudes can’t drive at all
No, it’s the drivers and the tires and the transmissions and the surface. And trap speeds that show they ain’t making 900+hp. More like 700.
I knew the mustang would win.
Yes that's what I thought they should run somewhere in the 9s they just can't get the traction they need
Turbo everytime. No parasitic power loss, less intake air temp. And no belt to break. And if set up properly more midrange and tip end power
Should add a 60-130mph test to this. I’m curious to see how fast they are without dealing with traction.
from 60 its still issue, my friend had e60 M5 510bhp and it went sideways from 140km/h, luckily he was skilled driver and got it back to straight
I built an N/A Camaro (pretty radical but still N/A) that was putting down 550hp and it would still lose traction even from a 90mph cruising speed...
900hp is nothing to scoff at in the realm of tractionable abilities lol...
@@AntoninusPius2 oh wow forgot I made this comment. They need drag radials and a higher roll. I have a 5th Gen ZL1 700whp I had no traction doing a 3rd gear pull at 70mph BFGoodrich G force tires. Now running Nitto 555r2 and have traction.
I’d love to see these 2 head to head on a proper prepped drag strip! Both awesome cars.
with proper prepared drivers
honestly i love the turbo lag & the high rpm boost.
but low end torque is also nice
Awesome video
Great builds
Awesome rezults
I love turbo but ive got in past ...and now i want supercharger
Funny, both looked slow to us. GTR's , and even Turbo Civics are faster.
That drag race at 8:57 was the most Sunday drive with your nan in the back start to a race I’ve ever seen lol
Why dont you buy mustang build it to 1000hp and then race it as well?
@@_michaelghost_ Nah, If I was I’d go less power and more chassis mods.
@@PT82 So you Do not have mustang to start with. So why are you even talking about how they started the drag race?
I love people like you, talking about how others drive or accelerate etc. You know it is not easy to do that when you have 3 cameras pointing at you and other cameras elsewhere. You will get nervous.
@@_michaelghost_ Sensitive soul aren’t you sweetheart. I wasn’t aware you needed a mustang to comment.
@@_michaelghost_ Mustang really isn´t some ultra exclusive car you´re trying to make it to be
My Golf R with a JB4 is faster in the quarter mile, wtf
Same with my 400 hp 2 series. But to be fair a stock a10 5.0 on slicks is too.
Mega video Jamie.
Shame about all the brain farts in the comments! Not much point staying in 1st when you don’t have any traction and both guys showed up purposefully well matched on street tyres.
To all the haters, watch Jamie’s mini video and you will see a normal car gate asbo and then get gobbled up like it’s stationary once it gets traction.
Put either of these on a prepped surface with street radials and they would upset anything. The drivers know this and are out having fun.
Maybe invite MAP down for a serious race where they can show drag prepped and do it properly 😈
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I run street radials on my Audi in the summer, and have drag springs. Weight shift plus tire is a big deal. I didn’t see too good of weight shift on the cars.
They are 900hp road cars with the wrong suspension and tire. I give it two years before both cars are crashed.
Yeah my Audis faster, I also can put down 900 if I want and use it reliably unlike a mustang.
My ea888.3 is ticking so I’m saving for a 2.5t conversion. Currently run 25 psi through A stock is20 cad smokes anything I want.
Who woulda thought… for a DD, there is such thing as TOO MUCH power… I learned this lesson with my 04 SVT focus years ago when I went turbo. The car was actually more fun @ 200hp rather then 390hp.
These dude were having a good time! This is what it’s all about. What’s the point otherwise.
Guy in the supercharged one living his best life 😂👌
Super or turbo charged?🤣
@@kaicooper5917 Both look like they're having a lot of fun.
@@kaicooper5917 😂 good point. I assumed it was obvious due to his grin
I edited it for you 🤪
@@garns8878 😂🤙
Affi and his gtr is still the best
Just imagine if Affi is able to bring his GTR from 672 bhp to 950 bhp like those mustangs
if these cars were on a proper drag strip with slicks theyd easily be 9 second cars. kinda pointless having 950+ whp if it just turns to wheel spin
Still doesn't make sense how a foxbody with h/c/i... pushing 320whp with a t5 trans and some random street tires... runs a mid to high 12 second quarter.... somethings deff wrong here. Or they're at super high elevation?
The superchargers driver is much superior than turbo tom!!! Not always the car it's the driver!!! Turbo Tom proved that!!!
'Let's line them up & go again'
Yes daddy 😩
900+bhp 🤣😂🤣 think the owners need 2 get them on the dyno, they looked slow as fxck.
Listen to Jamie at the end, he says that on a prepped surface both cars are capable of running 9sec 1/4mile
15:18
@@nathanb4202 cars need prepped drivers, not a prepped surface 😂
Why all the nuggets: ‘mi rev n go 4wd guz fasta ’ 🤪
… nice one 👀
@@leekindell9937 awd smart ass👍
Interesting battle...Supercharging vs Turbocharging on the same car. I noticed the supercharged car was able to rev cleaner and pull harder higher up the rpm range through its gears than the Turbocharged car did. So maybe "slightly larger" sized turbos are required but with similar boost levels on the Turbocharged Mustang or more waste gating or a combination of both. Cool video always entertaining!
Bigger turbos means the power delivery is worse, but you make bigger power. Because superchargers are lineair with the engine the power delivery is better.
Would love to get my 700bhp supercharged w204 C63 on the OG battles looks so fun
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You'd smoke both these cars 💪🏽
@@dalturbo would certainly be close 👊🏻
@@dalturbo he wouldn't smoke them because of the power, but because of these drivers and conditions. A 10 speed automatic with proper tires especially when 250hp more than a 700hp C63 would get destroyed.
@@notyourtypicalfarah7194Yeah ... the problem on W204 C63' s is that you cant get bigger tyres than 275 on the back i think. If he runs 700 HP, those 275s are rookie numbers, 295 would be better which pretty much even a base 911 (no turbo, no turbo s) uses. For comparison a RS5 has 275 on ALL Wheels, front and back, even just with 450 hp. I read into the C63 thematics and the consens is that theres not enough space in the wheel arch for such tyres because you won't fit a 295 rubber on a 9.5J Rim. So you would need at least a 11.0J Rim. I know some people who also have 650-750 hp supercharged W204 C63 ' s and everyone complains about the traction problems. I guess it would still be better than here because the c63 is only automatic. 1000nm on the rear on a manual is uncontrollable from a standing start, thats why some people use custom differentials which are controlled by a GPS Box and custom gearbox control unit which is constantly measuring the wheelspin and taking away power until the tyre does not spin anymore. It works great but most people are too dumb to understand why this is even needed, because they think you can floor 1000nm on the rear and it takes off like a electric car.... It shows that nobodoy really driven a mustang in this comment section because even stock with TC Off the tyres will spin for good 2 seconds until it grips.
I love the huge smile from running a 12.88 with 950hp. Sounds like people who spend money and not spend time working and driving high performance cars.
An exercise in excess.
love the stangs!! bet they are sketchy to drive with all that power in the wet. they sound amazing
Been waiting for that TT Mustang on the battles! 😳
These cars look kind of slow for having nearly a thousand horsepower
Manual?
@@RobertYayo RWD
My 2021 manual runs 12.5 seconds and all I have had done is
Resonator delete-H pipe
Roush CAI
Lund box tune
305 tires All around
A stock 10 speed with nothing but a CAI runs right with me. Those transmissions are pretty ridiculous
Interesting/fun video of two guys enjoying the cars...no argument there. However, would have been interesting to see it with two people who could actually shift a manual like they were actually racing - not going to the grocery store. Some pretty slow shifting going on there. Even the roll race, they both didn't seem to be starting off in their power band.
I'd be gutted after spending all that money and a stock 5.0 mustang smokes me 😆 fun to watch though.
That's why he made 2 to compete with each other 😂. Plus automatics are for girls. I'm assuming you're talking about the automatic.
You do realize the times you see for the stock mustang are in perfect conditions and they are on an airstrip that has a crap ton of dirt and debris.
Some people don’t spend money on cars to race on the road that is left to the boys when men like the sound and power
@@inkman6964People wont understand that. 95% of the people commenting here know nothing about cars. The youtube comment section is the worst education source for such things, people are ignorant. Theres literally 13 year olds who never driven a car saying they would launch a 980 HP RWD Manual car better than someone who went through the huge hassle to even get it forced induction and probably has his license since 15 years AND driven other 500HP cars before... Thats the state of the comment section since years.
12.8 with 900+ hp and that reaction 😅
That time you can archive with 1.9 tdi fwd and 300/320 HP .
JAMIE! We had a blast, thank you for having us down - For anyone interested in a behind the scenes of the day, check out our video we made! 😁
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Legends!!!
When you spend all your money for the upgrades but are left with no money for the gasoline 😂😂😂😂😂
At sea level on a cool dry air, low humidity day. My tuned 2015 Mustang GT ran a 12.82 at 118mph, on a concrete surface. So those boosted cars must be at a considerable elevation in damp air and a poor road surface.
Sounds like it revs to 5 thousand
Would be nice if someone had shown Tom how to launch his car. He'd have smashed all races.
Yes yes yes and absolutely f****** yes.
Good too know. My 400 hp Audi is faster 0-60 than a 900hp mustang
So is a 300bhp Audi s3 lol 😂
@@carlcockroft7077 you can have all the power you want, but spinning ain’t winning 😂😂😂😅
@@carlcockroft7077 I’m just happy my car is a reliable 400, for a daily it’s more than enough for me.
@@saltycanadian6190 true shit
10speed would have been a totally different outcome..
Geez, they can't even beat 1980's era 5.0 times with some gears and good tires. I was turning 12.56 ets in a 1966 Mustang with a 289 on street tires and an open 3.5 rear. Daily driven automatic with a carb. This is just showing that dyno power numbers don't mean a damn thing on the street or on the track. I worked at a company that built a turbo 351 1985 mustang that first pass at the track was an 8.6 et... chassis was only legal for 9.90... again, daily driven. They dyno'd over 1000hp, but dialed it down to low 900hp to get it down the track on street legal slicks.
Tom's just having a blast!!!
When the 950HP Turbo Mustang is slower then the 370HP BMW E92 ^^
Not from 100 - 170+ it won't be.
Why so slow for the power? I mean they're fast by normal car standards, but not 900bhp+ fast. Either the power is hugely exaggerated or Mustangs have an awful chassis? Would of thought 3 sec 0-60 and 10 or 11 sec 1/4 mile for those specs.
You have heard of an important thing called traction?
Traction... Ah yeah never heard of it silly me. Surely 900bhp+ cars would have decent suspension, tyres, LSD, etc which would all aid performance stats? These cars are underperforming massively for the power in comparison to other modern machinery. Hence why they're barely on the leader board against cars with almost half the power. Like I said is it a Mustang chassis thing where they just can't put the power down or are these cars not really running the power they say?
Also just for reference check the 2021 supercharged Shelby Mustang GT500 performance stats it has a sub 4 second 0-60 and 'only' 760bhp.
@@SpiritBlueFezST remember manufacturers only quote their best times - not necessarily the times you’d expect on the road (or runway). US times are notoriously optimistic and they usually do their times at the strip after a burn out and on a prepped strip. Makes a big difference. Adding more power to Mustangs is the ultimate example of how men are still on the whole, mostly stupid, and are susceptible to marketing and big dyno print outs and claims. The male equivalent of Prada handbags. There is nothing rational about it. Powerful RWD cars start getting slower 0-100km/h times after they creep above 400-450hp atw (on the street using street tyres). The useable power/speed band just creeps further and further up to the point they do not serve as a useful street car platform.
If you think 900hp Mustangs can't be fast than you don't anything about them. Firstly, they didn't have proper tires and secondly they guys can't shift a manual fast enough. If these idiots had proper tires and had a 10 speed automatic, they would be faster.
Stock 10 speed mustang runs low 11s that's crazy
Fastest 100% stock 10sp mustang ran an 11.8, I have a screenshot on my phone. Where’d you pull that magical number from?
Looks like in the rolling race beenie guy finally started shifting at the proper RPM range that the turbos love😅
I didn’t win! Love his energy that’s what I call having fun. Cheers
Think Supercharger has the edge 9 out of 10 times . Whipple for the win
At those levels, driver is more important than the cars itself. You can clearly see the turbo model creeping up as turbo spools up.
The fact a 20 year old 300hp Mini Cooper can beat these by over a second in a 1/4 mile is insane.
Jamie should have driven the cars. His driving skills combined with his energy easily adds 100hp to every vehicle he gets in.
I have a slightly modded 2016 gt and would love to have a supercharger. I will say at our local drag strip all the fastest mustangs have single or twin turbos though.
That weight car running 128mph in the quarter takes about 500hp at the tires or 625 at the flywheel.