How GOOD was Floatzel ACTUALLY? - History of Floatzel in Competitive Pokemon
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- Floatzel is today’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this overview of Floatzel in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
0:54 - DPP/Gen 4
4:07 - Buizel
4:48 - BW/Gen 5
6:57 - XY/Gen 6
8:55 - SM/Gen 7
10:37 - SV/Gen 9
12:46 - VGC
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Funny how “Crasher Wake’s” ace became good when it got the move “Wave Crash”, the foreshadowing is crazy
They foreshadowed something that will happen nearly 17 years later
Funny how Rosa beat me with a screwdriver and cracked my head open like a watermelon
@@ihaterosa129 And you did't die? What a pity.
@@ihaterosa129 Should of had the ability Sturdy, dummy!
BRUH
Another buff to Floatzel in Gen 9 is since its main set is physical, we don’t have to witness it spew water out of its ass.
They changed its special animation. It finally shoots from its mouth lol
@@MaahirMomtaz12 BBBOOOOOOO LOL
Not that this matters if you play on Showdown.
Welllll, some moves still get shat out
LOL
Can we talk about how creative Floatzel is?
An aquatic weasel with a life jacket and a propeller tail.
Another fun thing with its design is that it holds the life jacket like it was a wet towel after taking a shower
@@jip0611 OMG thank you for pointing that out, I love Floatzel even more
wHaT AboUT gEN 1 ?
"Aquatic weasel", you mean an otter?
Cant tell how many times i have used this guys in my gen 4 replays and even used it first time playing
Sometimes it’s as simple as clicking Tera Water Wave Crash in rain and watching entire teams eradicated from existence
At least until it succumbs to recoil or priority.
Its always so satisfying to hit the tera water wave crash and seeing something that resists just get deleted
->Switches in
->Uses 2-3 wave crashes
->Either OHKOs or 2-hit KOs
->Faints
Refuses to elaborate further
Now we just need Wild Charge to be given the Wave Crash treatment. We seriously need a better physical electric move than a 90 BP move with recoil.
Volt Tackle exists, but to be fair, that’s Pikachu and Raichu’s thing.
literally just increase the distribution of volt tackle and it would do something
@@scrunkore either that, or make Wild Charge more widely available, and raise its power level. Either by 5 or by 10.
@@marchedgie6838 you do know that Wild Charge's distribution is fairly big right?
Raticate
Arcanine (both forms)
Rapidash (both forms)
Paldean Tauros (all 3 forms)
Snorlax
Granbull
Emboar
Stoutland
Sawsbuck
Klinklang
Boffulant
Gogoat
Gumshoos
Solgaleo
Greedent
Zacian (and to an lesser extent Zamazenta)
Wyrdeer
Mabosstiff
Cyclizar
Dudunsparce
Slither Wing
Iron Treads
Iron Leaves
so Wild Charge's distribution is fine
@@goGothitaLOL in that case, a buff would be better.
Floatzel will always stick out in my mind as the prime “why would I ever use a physical Water type on my team when I need a Surfer” Pokémon, but the removal of HMs allows for so much more flexibility in team composition for situations like that and it definitely should’ve happened sooner
I always felt bad running surf Gyrados.
These days I just take the time to have a surf mon in the box so I don’t have to be constrained in my choices of water type
HMs honestly always sucked and were bad
If HMs come back, they should be a separate thing. The justification would also be quite easy - since Sun and Moon made it clear that Pokémon are trained to use moves that ferry humans to other places so that they don’t hurt others, there could be battling slots and HM slots to indicate that the Pokémon is being trained for battle and for ushering humans elsewhere.
@@JamienautMark2 Thing is the best physical water stab lies in Aqua Tail at least till gen 4 i accept sacrifing 10 Acc points from Waterfall to gain an extra 10 points in Stab.
Try a Gyarados with
Dragon Dance
Aqua Tail
Earthquake
Outrage
What's worse to get all that in generation 4 was a pain as you also wanted many Earthquake TMs for other strong Pokémon as well and the Battle Frontier was the only choice.But winning so many battles there and ending up winning the TM was worth it , same with Outrage.Gyarados is known as one of the Pokémon that you yourself have to fix them to get good because in terms of game given moves they can never release their maximum potential.Gyarados is also part flying type which makes zero sense , as one of the official semi pseudo legendary Pokémon along with its special counterpart Milotic it should have been a Water/Dragon type.
Thing will be a Death Star among Planetary Pokémon.I had managed to run 3 DDs at once in singles against a friend of mine , Gyarados had been left with 30 HP and it took down 4 of his Pokémon , lol.
Floatzel being genuinely good because it got wavecrash brings a tear to my eye in gen 9
Still waiting for Lucdisc to have use
That's mainly because skewda got gutted tbf,it would be a perma NU mon if skewda got flip turn and close combat back
@@heatran5717 skewda still has close combat
@@IloveHildasfeet it’s top tier in DNU
@@IloveHildasfeet give Luvdisc a +80 buff in each stat
I'm so glad that Floatzel saw the light as it did, truly an awesome moment for long forgotten Pokemon. Staraptor can finally leave UUBL too...
Staraptor hasn't been UUBL this gen yet. It's now manageable in UU
@@MaahirMomtaz12 Yeah, that was my point. He's been freed from the curse.
@@roidadadou5456 till the dlc comes out and he becomes a huge problem the destroys the meta game
Floatzel is landing every Focus Blast in this video. I'd say it's pretty damn good.
Focus miss lol
@@antlerman7644 Unforcused Blast
Pokemon has gotten a lot better due to the move waves crash
yup, was a pretty solid Swift Swim user in Season 1 of VGC even
I wish Barrakewsda could learn Wave Crash. Then again, it would be a broken Pokemon banned to Ubers with it's Swift Swim ability! 😂
@@ZaidanDarmasakti I mean there is still priority moves for barreskewda
The only thing that would make this Pokémon better if it wasn’t a literal glass, Cannon and had a little more defense
This move should have existed at the same time the Fire and Grass counterparts, Flare Blitz and Wood Hammer
If Floatzel had Wave Crash since D/P/Pt, it would have been a lot better in the older formats, especially B/W. I don't see why Wave Crash wasn't introduced in the same generation Wood Hammer and Flare Blitz were.
They hate Floatzel and only bothered when they had to enforce power creep
With Pelipper dropping back down to gen 9 UU theres a good chance that floatzel will start seeing much more play back in that tier
Even in UU, it’s not without competition for physical swift swim water type, because Drednaw will probably go from RUBL to UU because of Pelipper dropping
@@dragonslayer7724 Drednaw is outclassed by Floatzel and Barraskewda. Barraskewda is the one in trouble, though, since it doesn't even have the benefit of a dual-STAB like Drednaw. It's strictly outclassed by Floatzel now because Floatzel hits way harder with Wave Crash even though it has less Attack overall.
@@Skeloperch Wow, that's insane. I used to think that Barra would drastically outclass Floatzel if they were to be in a same game simply because of its higher attack and speed but guess I was wrong. XD
@@cintronproductions9430 barraskewda also lost flip turn. If it still had turn it would probably be better
@@jubeat4451 yea flip turn skewda is wayyy better than float,we know that because of this gen's natdex
Okay, I'm designing a Pokémon fangame. Here are some buffs and nerfs I think of implementing:
Move Buffs:
-Hyper Beam and its clones will skip the recharge turn if they score a KO.
-Weight-based moves now have double power under Gravity.
Ability Buffs:
-Solid Rock and its clones now halve damage from super effective moves. (For example, Camerupt will act like it has only one weakness: a 2X weakness to Water)
-Iron Fist now increases the power of punching moves by 50%.
-Rock Head now protects the user from the recoil of moves that cause them to lose a set fraction of their max HP, such as Mind Blown and Steel Beam. However, moves that kill the user still kill.
-Illuminate now allows stat stage-changing moves to bypass abilities, Clear Amulet, and Mist.
Pokémon Buffs (hoping to salvage some stuck in Untiered purgatory):
-Aromatisse's base HP and Sp. Atk are increased by 5 each, and it gets a few more moves.
-Relicanth gets Wave Crash. It also gets its signature move Primal Pulverize, a Rock-type physical Steel Beam.
-Wormadam gets +10 in all stats except Speed, and Mothim gets +10 in all stats except HP. They all learn a few new moves, and for secondary abilities, Plant Cloak gets Grassy Surge, Sandy Cloak gets Sand Stream, and Trash Cloak gets Heatproof.
-Scovillain can now learn Solar Blade.
-Both Arcanines can now learn Raging Fury.
-Shiftry's Early Bird is replaced with Wind Rider. Shiftry's base stats are now 80-110-60-100-60-90. Shiftry can now learn Close Combat, U-Turn, and Switcheroo.
-The Pidgey family, as well as some other Flying-types, get Swoop Strike (Flying-type Flame Charge).
-Scyther and its evolutions, as well as some other Pokémon, get Steel Blade (Steel-type Slash).
-Wailord's base stats are now 180-100-80-100-80-40, with Regenerator as a Hidden Ability.
-Malamar's base stats are now 86-102-88-78-75-73, and it gets access to Hammer Arm, Ice Hammer, Close Combat, Confuse Ray, Gravity, Psycho Shift, and its signature move, Hypnoburst, a Psychic-type Overheat that attacks all adjacent Pokémon.
-Lanturn's base HP and Speed are increased by +10 each.
-Magmortar gets a Mega that boosts its Attack by 10, its defenses and Speed by 20, and its Sp. Atk by 30. Mega Magmortar has Mega Launcher as an ability, and Magmortar can now use Scald, Water Pulse, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Terrain Pulse, Aura Sphere, and Heal Pulse.
-Electivire gets a Mega that boosts its Sp. Atk by 10, its defenses and Speed by 20, and its Attack by 30. Mega Electivire's ability is Iron Fist, and it can now run Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, Comet Punch, Drain Punch, and Shadow Punch.
If those buffs and nerfs were implemented, how would they affect the metagame? What Pokémon would go up a tier or two, and what Pokémon would go down a tier or two? Are these buffs enough to salvage some previously-unusable mons?
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Floatzel Redemption Arc is going STRONG
Current Gen 9 is the best Floatzel has ever been lol. Crazy how one move can change a Pokémon's viability
Helps having a limited dex. Also, it needed Tera to boost water moves because base 105 attack, while not bad, isn't all that great when not boosted by another source.
“Sometimes being able to use one move is all a Pokémon needs.”
Quoted from the Exploud video.
@@JeremyCuddles Even with an expanded Dex, Wave Crash doesn't have huge distribution unless more get it. Since Barraskewda doesn't get it, Floatzel is unique in that regard
@@MaahirMomtaz12 The issue isn't with more Pokemon having Wave Crash, it's stronger Pokemon being re-introduced into the game.
After the Chi-yu ban and before Walking Wake's release, Floatzel was arguably the best wallbreaker in OU
No cap, floatzel in gen 9 is terrifying in OU, like it's tier placement doesn't show it cause rain isn't super popular but when you see, you realize then and there you're dropping like 2 mons at least to that thing
Been a floatzel fan since it's debut and always used it on my teams every time I replayed gen 4. I think it has such a cool design, and am so happy it's getting the love it deserves now
Pelipper: You are viable now my sweet child
Floatzel: I owe you my life
The fact that he said that it was faster than Sharpedo made me check what Sharpedo's speed was...and it's 95. HOW? It's a SHARK. TORPEDO. And it doesn't break 100?
Propeller tail go brrrrrrr
tbf sharpedo gets speed boost
@@scrunkore it only got Speed Boost in Gen 5 as a hidden ability in the Dream World iirc, 2 gens after its introduction.
Sharpedo moves fast but probably rushes stuff down given the “speed” stat is an agility stat for some reason.
@@iantaakalla8180 Then how do u explain slaking's high speed
You know I had to show up early for my fav mon. The mon who was once used by crasher wake getting a move called wave crash that made it usable is very fitting to me, bro never forgot his roots
I wasn't planning on using Floatzel in my Gen 4 playthrough but I found a Shiny Buizel, my first shiny... Took the team spot right away
Floatzel would be my favorite water type if not for Samurott and Milotic. Glad to see how much better it got in gen 9. Going from PU to having a niche in Ubers is insane
Floatzel’s dex entries mention that it tries to save struggling Pokémon with its life vest thing. I feel like Floatzel having Friend Guard would make sense knowing that, and it’d help to make it a lot better in VGC
It will be outclassed heavily by Maushold, who is bulkier, has fake out and feint
@@ispeakcockney5387 I find it rather sad that 2 little mice are bulkier than Floatzel
@@zememerr2329 well Floatzel has 20 more total base stats than Maushold
Finding a buizel in Gen 4 and training it up will always be a lasting memory for me. Glad to see the speedy weasel still getting great niche use to this day!
I love that Floatzel's attack animation from Gen VI onward makes it look like it's shooting Ice Beams and Hydro Pumps out of its butthole
RickRaptor?
In a Pokémon vid?
I know wave crash is just a reskin of wood hammer but for some reason wood hammer always feels like a wet noodle compared to the chad wave crash
rain
Sad Wild Charge noises
Brave Bird, Flare Blitz, Volt Tackle and Double-Edge
Wood hammer has a lot of pretty great types that resist it to be fair
@@rossthemoss6827 Fire, Flying, Dragon and Steel being the most notable and common (Bug is dodo, Poison is only used because it hits Fairies even when Steel is better, and Grass dittos are a rarity)
I never really cared for Floatzel, but seeing it being viable in gen 9 does make me happy, always love seeing "weak" pokemon become useful in higher tiers
Floatzel and Gallade
I never played the original gen 4 games, so my first big introduction to Floatzel was in Legends: Arceus last year, and I became really fond of mine. Using it to rip UU to shreds with rain makes me so proud ;-;
Floatzel might make a comeback in gen 9 uu now that pelipper fell back down to that tier.
I forgot it swapped to Friday’s and this is a pleasant surprise. I love how in gen 9 it finally got good water stab in wave crash and now is incredible on rain teams
Waterfall and Liquidation ain’t bad, though.
@@skeetermania3202 wave crash is just that but cranked to 11 and with only 105 base attack, it needs all the power it can get
As of 4/7/23, Floatzel has recently dropped further down to NU, it is currently seen as decent in the tier. How successful it is there in the long run remains to be seen.
However Pelipper also recently dropped to UU, so it is currently bring its rain terror there. It is unironically better in OU and UU than it is in RU and NU, but that kind of shows how much is it is synonymous with rain.
Not surprising, it's much better in higher tiers where rain actually exists (see its B tier placement in the ND OU viability rankings)
If it wasnt for Sun thriving in OU it would be much better there, tbh
When Floatzel is getting the Arctovish treatment
I recently found a full odds shiny Buizel and with this video I think I might have something special on my hands
If only Floatzel got Wave Crash before gen 9; it would've had a much better competitive history, and in turn a longer video here.
I wish they could do something like this for Bellossom. Gen 9 demonstrates how a little can be a lot.
I love how you show love to each tier. Makes me very interested into watching lower tier pokemon battle it out within their tiering.
It’s a real improvement from the very beginning which was specifically OU-focused
@@iantaakalla8180 I agree. It would be amazing if they make rom hacks with the tiers in mind. Like the first run though, only pokemon from the PU tier show up. Then when you defeat red and catch the post game legendary, you go to the next area which has pokemon up to NU, etc. That would make one heck of a rom hack
The most notable thing I remember Floatzel for is the gym battle against Crasher Wake, notable for being a worthy foe for Ash's Buizel and where it shows off what Incineroar's down special in _Smash_ should've been with Bulk Up.
Tera water wave crash is what Crasher Wake has always desired
The legendary Wave (Crash)
You are the least funny person in this comment section, and considering there are toddlers in here, that’s a really big accomplishment
I love it when overlooked and underrated pokemon are included in this series, keep it up!
As soon as I saw Floatzel my mind immediately went to the buff Wave Crash gave him
I love the flame orb+water veil combination with switcheroo. 😂
Never let them know your next move 😂
Today we have The click wave crash and kill everything machine in Gen 9
Barraskewda: You took everything from me.
Floatzel: I don't even know who you are.
I looked to see if you had a video on Floatzel the other day and now you do! That's awesome!
Kinda wish Floatzel had an evolution probably a water/fighting type hopefully one day
Floatzel has always been one of my favorite Water types, and to see it get better is really heartwarming.
I love when the lower tier Pokemon still gets a niche in Ubers for whatever reason
Floatzel is a cool design and a fun Pokémon to use despite how limited it is. A very fast and decent physical attacker (w/ priority just in case) is pretty reliable
Floatzel was nearly on my SV team...and then Tinkaton hammered her out.
Salutes to you for resisting the urge to use an early route Sinnoh 'mon.
I had a oinkologne but it left my team because it’s IV’s were near 0%
@@IloveHildasfeet ok
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@@IloveHildasfeet ok
I usually struggle having a favorite Pokémon of each type, but Floatzel is my definite favorite water type. I'm really happy it got a video.
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
" I've been waiting for this. " - Akihiko
Yeah! My second favorite poke, I've been waiting for this!
I know Floatzel didn't had a lot to talk about previous to wave crash in higher tiers, but now he hits like a truck and finally is great and a force to be feared in singles.
I've been waiting for this video for literally years
Floatzel is one of my favorite Pokémon ever, so happy to see this video
Crazy how this autopilot ingame pick from Gen 4, alongside the likes of Infernape, Lucario, Staraptor, and Luxray, actually had a niche in Gen 9 Ubers
Amazing what the addition of one move could do for Floatzel.
these videos made me better at competitve pokemon keep creating great videos
I have been waiting for this overview of my favorite pokemon ever. Buizel and floatzel fans stay winning here!
the first shiny I caught in SV ❤ fitting that a fav from gen 4 came back with an upgrade
Made it to the 1800s on the ladder thanks to this 🤗
Remember: this thing throws Hydro Pumps from his ass (at least in BDSP)
This thing is terrorizing SVUU atm truelly drizzle is terrifying.
Why still RIP VGC? Made sense in 2020 with so much blown up, but now it's back. I don't understand. I'm happy to see this fierce little otter featured! Always loved this, just as you said, as a cornerstone of my Diamond team.
I've always been partial to speedy glass cannons with cool designs, something Floatzel exemplifies. Very glad to see it finally get some real success this time around.
You know, anytime I see Floatzel, I can't help but recall a certain *_dream_* I experienced once
And it was apparently the most *_wonderful dream ever had_*
😏🇩🇪
LMAO
The impact of Wave Crash is so big, that BUIZEL is viable in Gen 9 ZU. Thanks to that absurd power in Rain, Buizel is a solid wall breaker in the tier. While it's frailty and doing tickle damage with its coverage makes it less consistent than Beartic and Lumineon, it holds an important spot in most Rain teams on ZU.
Its waterfall animation from the Battle Revolution game is so cool !
I absolutely love Floatzel, it was my first shiny ever in White 2 while surfing and it introduced me to shiny Pokémon
>give a water type brave bird to floatzel
>absolutely demolish barraskewda's movepool and also don't give him the move given to floatzel
>floatzel proceeds to become a massive threat that to this day it can sweep OU teams with ease as almost nothing can handle a stab terra water wave crash/liquidation
It’s criminal Gyarados didn’t get wave crash. But ignore me, I’m just a Gyarados fan boy complaining on Floatzels video 😂
Me too!
I would give Floatzel Swords Dance as a way to boost its attack and U-Turn (I thought it would be the kind of Pokemon who gets it). A buff for its Special Attack probably wouldn't hurt too.
Glad to see Floatzel did well
Agent Floatzel finally got a video!! Let's gooo Agency!!
One of the better comeback stories in Pokemon.
One of my favourite Gen 4 mons finally good in OU😍
Good video, but the long video is what we're really hyped for🌚
Floatzel became an Uber? In the same gen of such deadly water type introductions? HELL YEAH
On of my favorites pokes ever since I played Pokémon Platinum
I think in gen 9, floatzel's tiering heavily depends on where peliper is at. when peliper is OU, floatzel will drop to RU. When peliper moves to UU, floatzel will tear up the tier.
Floatzel is my homie. I got so excited when I learned it got Wave Crash and Ice Spinner.
And then Palafin showed up…
Floatzel used to be my favorite Pokémon. Ngl, i felt so happy seeing this weasel going from NU to actually fighting alongside/against the big guys in Ubers. And i don't even play competitve Pokémon.
Floatzel is one of my favourite few pokemon, and was my ace in playing DPPl single player. I also found some value as an anti-meta lead in Gen 6 OU on smogon. There would often be a Mega-Charizard Y lead, and they see a water type and click Solar Beam. Floatzel still outspeeds and activates Rain Dance, and they're sat there knowing they can't avoid the Waterfall OHKO next turn. Unfortunately, packing those + Aqua Jet (for Talonflame) meant only one remaining move slot, and of course if you lead with Floatzel and your opponent is not leading with Megazard Y, you probably aren't going to get much usage. But in that meta at the time, I found it filled an excellent role for a while.
Floatzel 🌊💙💙💙.
Awesome design, awesome stats, awesome moves, awesome pokémon 😇
Floatzel was the first shiny I found so will always have a special place in my heart
So glad they got so buffed with the new moves they can learn in gen 9
Such wave crash liquidation ice spiner
heres how gen 9 tiering for floatzel essentially is: is Pellipper ou or uu, if uu floatzel rises to uu, if ou floatzel will just barely miss out on the usage needed for ou due to some rain teams not using it and instead using barraskewda, floatzel will then fall down each tier one by one until pellipper is uu again, in which it will rise back to uu
Basically gen 9 floatzel hits like a TANK and can outspeed anything in rain
Fun fact: EVERY Mega Evolution pokemon has been covered by FSG EXCEPT for Latios
Diancie hasn’t been covered yet.
floatzel didnt end up holding on in gen9uu, but in the first month it looked like the most threatening thing in the tier. going from a mon that languishes in the lowest tiers to tearing up RU and even very briefly UU is a hell of a glow-up for this guy, especially given that Barraskewda (an OU mon in gen8) is competing with it.
Next week is surely the hour long special they've been teasing us with since 17 March right?
2:22 - Ok, now I *really* want to see a redo of the Feraligatr video given how positive FSG was of him here.
Legends Arceus really did a lot for some underrated pokemon as a whole. Goodra has a regional form with the same typing as Dialga, Qwilfish has a regional form that lets it run Eviolite thanks to it evolving into a threatening hazards setter, all of the Eeveelutions get Calm Mind, Basculin evolves into something with more than one type so it gets more use out of Adaptability, Arcanine gets an amazing (offensive) typing that lets it throw off STAB Head Smash without recoil, 3 awful starters get crazy regional forms, and Wave Crash becomes a phenomenal nuclear STAB for offensive Water types. Very pleasant surprise given that its a 75 power move in PLA.
Floatzel, a classic. Still love using it on rain teams
I clicked this video just for the hype of Gen IX Floatzel. In the early days of SV, this thing was a absolute menace. Under rain and with tera water, it stomped defensive mons like Corviknight, Amoongus, non-water absorb Clodsire, Ting-Lu, Toxapex, and even heavily chunked specially defensive behemoth Dondozo with its banded wave crashes. It had almost zero safe switch ins with recoil and its low bulk the only things keeping it in check. Even its low tier status now truly doesn't reflect the absolute tera it can inflict upon the metagame.
We need a Porygon and Porygon 2 remake!
From Untiered to having a niche in Ubers, extremely impressive
honestly surprised you havent done one for cresselia yet
My boy Floatzel. ❤
Samurott coming back:
Im about to end this guys whole career.