I absolutely HATE the specialist idea in every shape or form, I just want to play this guy and I use that perk and change to that one or this one, specialist might ruin it for me, I do not want to play 1 character to be able to use those perks, I want to play him or her and select every class I want, idk why they went in this direction it's a BIG mistake.
@@captoblivious3826 obviously, I've learned today they've been bought in 2022 so they have outside influences which explains the hero shooter formula for the game.
@@swaggadash9017 simply because it ain't how it works now, you see that big concord guy? well he's tied to demo/support perks (I think it's those perks) so yea if you want those perks you gotta play the concord guy, that's why it's a problem.
I do like the skill tree for KF3, it's way more detailed and creative than KF2. But I do agree with everyone you should be able to pick characters and perks freely.
There is only 3 at launch so there will be a lot of the same specialists anyway. They did say you can customise your primary weapon which I believe means that you can take something other than the starting AR15 etc.
If they aren't gonna switch out the specialist system with the old class/perk system then I think they should merge the two. Like each specialist would have their own universal/survivalist skills and ultimates while the perk you choose will have it's own skills that will synergize with the specialist while also changing the effect of the specialist's ultimate. I remember seeing a specialist's ultimate being a Drone, I could imagine it would be a rife drone if your a commando, a flamethrower if you're a firebug, grenade launcher as demolitionist, etc etc.
That'd probably be too much work since they'd have to do that for the starter characters, then do that for all perks for every subsequent character then whenever they add a new perk tree they'd have to update all the characters' skills again. IMHO, the perk system completely disjointed from played characters was fine. This is an absolutely crap decision.
@@Dieci-9 I agree with your honest opinion, but I doubt the integration of my system concept wouldn't be THAT hard if it was a little simpler than the system they have now. I believe most of the difficulty stems from trashing most to all features in the specialist system they already developed.
If all else fails, just ignore the specialist's ablities and just focus on making your gun OP. At least we know now weapons aren't locked behind characters like it was orginally.
Killing floor 2 Hans also has an exo skeleton similar to an exo suit and that game released in 2015 around the same time as BO3, so I'm not sure I would say they exactly copied the idea but they could have?
i think the skills where there's only 1 choice it's probably an operator specific thing like maybe foster focuses on nades while other characters focus on gadget or passives like survivalist and that skill is just way more powerful or gives extra stuff to that thing
Nah, I'm not buying this game unless they get done with this specialist nonsense. I loved to play around between Mr Foster, Donovan, Father Albert and Skully who leveling my favourite perks. I have 0 will to put up with the game railroading me into either playing perks I'm not that much a fan of or not playing characters I like. In a way, this is a regressive change because the former added more freedom of choice for players. They can even still keep the Ultimates (because that's what they are). Just tie them to the characters' personalities alone and no perk in particular...or just remove them and let the gunplay do the talking with some special shenanigans from the perk trees. Fr, I don't need to see my character in an exosuit take out a cannon from his back, just tie that to the perk and allow whoever I'm controlling to do just that. It's that easy. If you want more Ults for the same perk just add them in the perk tree. There done.
Im still skeptically about the specialists and the "overwatch" special abilities, and the whole not being about to pick your own character and perk. Also It looks like they got rid of the siren and the stalkers. But to be honest i hated the stalkers but why the siren
Game's still in Pre-Alpha dude, not to mention it's a Live Service Game So I bet they're still gonna add Sirens and Stalkers, Kf2's elite Zeds like Rioters and Gorefiends, and soon maybe even Hans Volter or The Patriarch
@@TheMagnumDon i am very aware its prealpha. it doesnt have anything to do with prealpha. im just taking about how they ruined kf2 with updates, and worried they make it even worse with this game if they are added them, they have been doing too good of a job hiding them from us
@@valentinnoonspecial I always assumed KF2's more recent mediocre updates stemmed from them starting and focusing development on KF3, started thinking that when they released the first couple HRG weapons which Is obviously them reusing resources. I doubt they will ruin KF3 the same way with KF2 because KF3 is in full development focus and they are more communicative about it's development than most Triple-A studios I can think of.
Siren is in the game She's 2 Zeds on the right of Mr foster In the Killing Floor 3 game cover Also, they revealed her in the 15th-anniversary video tho still in a blocky state
We haven't seen or heard anything from tripwire regarding that, the only thing I can see is a small snippet in the gameplay reveal but haven't had much info.
It depends on what perk you like the most or what you play the most. It can also depend on how much points you get per match, If you get enough to upgrade other perks
I don’t mind these specialists as long as you can choose your role like if you take a specialist in and if you want to be SWAT, commando, medic, berserker,survivalist, etc.
There is perks coming back from KF2 such as the commando, support, firebug but they are locked to characters. I should think they would add the roles back to the specialists like how commando can extend zed time etc
I hope others 3 is gonna be Berserker, Medic, Sniper or GS, bro imagine Berserker with the high tech Implants or tools running and sliding around "dancing" with the zeds that would be sick,also they can finally add martial artist (cancelled perk) he might be a cyber ninja with implants or gadgets like a Cyberpunk2077 character, and speaking about Demo and Support i think they would be as separate specialists/perks,I think we'll get a lot of perks in the future much more than KF2 bcs of specialists system.
A KF3 Berserker with the advanced movement would be an awesome idea, I think it will fit very well. as with Sharpshooter and Gunslinger I think they will merge them together just like they did with support and demo to create the engineer. And I think their doing this so they could add some new specialists like a possible martial artist like you say. I hope they don't lock characters and specialists behind paywalls though, that is my only concern...
@@wezaatzk I can assume what the Specialists is gonna be free but,they stated that there can be more than one specialist aka perk in game,so in example Mr.Foster as a Commando is free but they will sell skins as a characters which will be the same Commando or other perk but maybe only with different gadget,or they gonna sell individual specialists separately,idk which is worse...😆
I do completely agree with you, the skill tree is very interesting now there is now more in depth levelling with skills and tiers. There will be plenty to do and level up when it comes to KF3!
ngl, it baffles me that people are mad about the skin locked to classes. i always changed my skin to match whatever class i was playing because it was just odd that they weren't already like that like any other game. and you could kinda tell which skin went with which class.
I think people just like the freedom of choice to pick any character which is the main reason they would complain and I don’t blame them, although I don’t really care what character I play as tbh
This is such a brain dead take, if people like you enjoyed pairing certain skins to certain classes fine but why would they then revamp the entire system to cater to the minority when the majority uses whichever skin and class we like? Especially in kf2 where different characters had different loot drops from crates. It’s about freedom of choice and you not understanding that shows your simply a npc
I'm still on the fence about the specialist feature. I've played other games with this, and they were fine, but I don't think this works with KF. After playing KF2 for years, KF3 will take some getting used to.
Yeah I think it is one of those games that people will either love or hate and I think the more you get used to the game the more you may like them. Then again the whole game is entirely different from the KF2 so there is a big learning curve
The only way this could be 'not as bad as we are thinking' is that there's a campaign mode where the perk is attatched to that character, like Foster/ Commando, as it would be like a canon of 'unique trait for the characters and make them more deep' stablished inside the game but in the classic mode is free perk choice, but I don't think we're and seeing that and I'm just so full of copium right now
Yeah they do need to step up the animations a lot. I know for a fact KF3 will be motion captured like KF2 so they should be high quality, but how long will that be before they revert to making them themselves I don't know.
Make create a perk, get rid of the operator shit, seriously, who wanted or asked for this, many just want to be a demo or support as santa claws, the opterators give off real rainbow6 vibes, but are probably also influenced by the modern hero shooter fad that no one even really likes, they just play, no one has ever play countersrike and though "only if there were operators so i could be kept from 90% of the ingame gear"
Because that was their intention You can see on the forums in the description The community manager even compares the specialist system with deep rock galactic and borderlands
Yeah I can see where your coming from. KF3 Was inspired by multiple current games like @astalkerfreedom567 mentioned, but it is different at the same time as there is more tiers, and you can upgrade each individual skill which I'm pretty sure you couldn't do in borderlands (correct me if I'm wrong)
If they didn't make all these innovations people would moan that they may as well play the older games. People literally did that with the first one when 2 came out 😂
EVERY SINGLE GAME that has brought in special characters have failed because every. single. time. 3/4 of them are dog shit useless and only 2 are worth picking they should've just kept it SIMPLE they have COMPLETELY lost the sauce they don't know wtf they are doing with the title anymore trying to make it some COD BLACK OPS ADVANCED WARFARE zombies kind of shit
In KF2 every perk has a specific role whether its dealing with crowds or taking down larger zeds and I think every specialist will have a key role to play if you ask me... like foster is good for crowd control as commando, devlin is also good for crowd control and imran is good with large zeds - each zed also has weaknesses like fire which could make firebug useful or even explosives for imran (engineer)
I see where you come from, I imagine 70 years down the line the guns would look the same as they did now, but it seems like tripwire like their futuristic stuff more
@@TartarusPyroI mean, kf2 only had some futuristic weapons (the medic weapons mainly), everything else was either modern stuff or even some old weapons (like the Mkb and trench gun). Them switching these picks for primarily all futuristic guns threw me off and it's one of the reasons why I'm not that excited for kf3
These Charakters looks so stupid and goofy it just makes the Specialist System even worse … now i have to Play These fortnite b..ch to Play firebug 🤢🤮 all that to sell Charakters in the end of the day 👎🏼 i hope Tripwire will end like Ubisoft! 95% of the Community dont want this stupid Specialist System and they Just ignore them … i realy hope tripwire will get a Payback for Not Listening to those
Yeah that is a fair point, they have at least improved the progression by making it deeper and more choices behind it which is good. They are improving a ton of stuff from KF2 in my opinion but we will have to wait and see how it plays when it does launch
I am kinda surprised how people are angry about the changes. Nah, i am kidding, it happens all the time - fanbois hating innovations left and right, pretending like f.e. using offperk weapons is crucial to KF games :D
@@wezaatzk Still, it would be nice if they actually judged it AFTER they tried it, not months before. Different opinions are fine, as long as they are based on something reasonable, rather than pure "i dont like changes" attitude...
It's poorly worded title because you would expect gameplay for the upcoming Killing Floor game not Killing Floor 2, if the title was just new info about Killing Floor 3 specialist it wouldn't have been as confusing
I absolutely HATE the specialist idea in every shape or form, I just want to play this guy and I use that perk and change to that one or this one, specialist might ruin it for me, I do not want to play 1 character to be able to use those perks, I want to play him or her and select every class I want, idk why they went in this direction it's a BIG mistake.
To sell skins and characters :)
@@captoblivious3826 obviously, I've learned today they've been bought in 2022 so they have outside influences which explains the hero shooter formula for the game.
Honestly Its giving rainbow 6 seige operator vibes which I'm not mad at.
Honestly why would you care that much though? I couldn't care less who my guy is and if it's locked to a class. It's cosmetic 😂
@@swaggadash9017 simply because it ain't how it works now, you see that big concord guy? well he's tied to demo/support perks (I think it's those perks) so yea if you want those perks you gotta play the concord guy, that's why it's a problem.
I dont mind perk evolutions like this but christ I just want to play a DJ skully firebug and now I probably can't.....
I do like the skill tree for KF3, it's way more detailed and creative than KF2. But I do agree with everyone you should be able to pick characters and perks freely.
Ayyyy im a DJ Skully berserker!
Skully go THUMP THUMP!
prepare for 6 of the same character and same perk and same primary every match.
There is only 3 at launch so there will be a lot of the same specialists anyway. They did say you can customise your primary weapon which I believe means that you can take something other than the starting AR15 etc.
If they aren't gonna switch out the specialist system with the old class/perk system then I think they should merge the two.
Like each specialist would have their own universal/survivalist skills and ultimates while the perk you choose will have it's own skills that will synergize with the specialist while also changing the effect of the specialist's ultimate.
I remember seeing a specialist's ultimate being a Drone, I could imagine it would be a rife drone if your a commando, a flamethrower if you're a firebug, grenade launcher as demolitionist, etc etc.
That'd probably be too much work since they'd have to do that for the starter characters, then do that for all perks for every subsequent character then whenever they add a new perk tree they'd have to update all the characters' skills again.
IMHO, the perk system completely disjointed from played characters was fine. This is an absolutely crap decision.
@@Dieci-9 I agree with your honest opinion, but I doubt the integration of my system concept wouldn't be THAT hard if it was a little simpler than the system they have now.
I believe most of the difficulty stems from trashing most to all features in the specialist system they already developed.
I will say i don’t Flat out want the old perk system
If all else fails, just ignore the specialist's ablities and just focus on making your gun OP. At least we know now weapons aren't locked behind characters like it was orginally.
True, it's a step in the right direction at least. If they had originally went with that idea I think It would have made the game worse...
06:17 Exo suits??
They really went 10 years back to black ops 3 and went "Ooo good idea!"
Killing floor 2 Hans also has an exo skeleton similar to an exo suit and that game released in 2015 around the same time as BO3, so I'm not sure I would say they exactly copied the idea but they could have?
i think the skills where there's only 1 choice it's probably an operator specific thing like maybe foster focuses on nades while other characters focus on gadget or passives like survivalist and that skill is just way more powerful or gives extra stuff to that thing
Yeah, I know games like Deep Rock have the same thing with their skill trees and it does give you an extra bonus / ability.
Nah, I'm not buying this game unless they get done with this specialist nonsense.
I loved to play around between Mr Foster, Donovan, Father Albert and Skully who leveling my favourite perks. I have 0 will to put up with the game railroading me into either playing perks I'm not that much a fan of or not playing characters I like.
In a way, this is a regressive change because the former added more freedom of choice for players. They can even still keep the Ultimates (because that's what they are). Just tie them to the characters' personalities alone and no perk in particular...or just remove them and let the gunplay do the talking with some special shenanigans from the perk trees.
Fr, I don't need to see my character in an exosuit take out a cannon from his back, just tie that to the perk and allow whoever I'm controlling to do just that. It's that easy.
If you want more Ults for the same perk just add them in the perk tree. There done.
If I can’t play Mr. Foster support I’ll just stick to kf2.
Im still skeptically about the specialists and the "overwatch" special abilities, and the whole not being about to pick your own character and perk. Also It looks like they got rid of the siren and the stalkers. But to be honest i hated the stalkers but why the siren
Game's still in Pre-Alpha dude, not to mention it's a Live Service Game
So I bet they're still gonna add Sirens and Stalkers, Kf2's elite Zeds like Rioters and Gorefiends, and soon maybe even Hans Volter or The Patriarch
@@TheMagnumDon i am very aware its prealpha. it doesnt have anything to do with prealpha. im just taking about how they ruined kf2 with updates, and worried they make it even worse with this game if they are added them, they have been doing too good of a job hiding them from us
@@valentinnoonspecial I always assumed KF2's more recent mediocre updates stemmed from them starting and focusing development on KF3, started thinking that when they released the first couple HRG weapons which Is obviously them reusing resources.
I doubt they will ruin KF3 the same way with KF2 because KF3 is in full development focus and they are more communicative about it's development than most Triple-A studios I can think of.
Siren is in the game
She's 2 Zeds on the right of Mr foster
In the Killing Floor 3 game cover
Also, they revealed her in the 15th-anniversary video tho still in a blocky state
idk, i think it's more like borderlands and dead island with the special abilities.
What about Zed Time (black and white slow motion) ????????
We haven't seen or heard anything from tripwire regarding that, the only thing I can see is a small snippet in the gameplay reveal but haven't had much info.
If you need points to upgrade does that not encourage to spend it all on one perk?
It depends on what perk you like the most or what you play the most. It can also depend on how much points you get per match, If you get enough to upgrade other perks
I don’t mind these specialists as long as you can choose your role like if you take a specialist in and if you want to be SWAT, commando, medic, berserker,survivalist, etc.
There is cross perk weapons in the game so that could be the closest you can get to choosing your perk and character.
@@wezaatzk if there’s only cross perk weapons but none of the original roles/perks like there is in kf2 then that kills it for me
There is perks coming back from KF2 such as the commando, support, firebug but they are locked to characters. I should think they would add the roles back to the specialists like how commando can extend zed time etc
I hope others 3 is gonna be Berserker, Medic, Sniper or GS, bro imagine Berserker with the high tech Implants or tools running and sliding around "dancing" with the zeds that would be sick,also they can finally add martial artist (cancelled perk) he might be a cyber ninja with implants or gadgets like a Cyberpunk2077 character, and speaking about Demo and Support i think they would be as separate specialists/perks,I think we'll get a lot of perks in the future much more than KF2 bcs of specialists system.
A KF3 Berserker with the advanced movement would be an awesome idea, I think it will fit very well. as with Sharpshooter and Gunslinger I think they will merge them together just like they did with support and demo to create the engineer. And I think their doing this so they could add some new specialists like a possible martial artist like you say. I hope they don't lock characters and specialists behind paywalls though, that is my only concern...
@@wezaatzk I can assume what the Specialists is gonna be free but,they stated that there can be more than one specialist aka perk in game,so in example Mr.Foster as a Commando is free but they will sell skins as a characters which will be the same Commando or other perk but maybe only with different gadget,or they gonna sell individual specialists separately,idk which is worse...😆
As for me, the skill leveling system looks pretty interesting! If your opinion doesn't match mine, that's your problem. It came to me personally👍
I do completely agree with you, the skill tree is very interesting now there is now more in depth levelling with skills and tiers. There will be plenty to do and level up when it comes to KF3!
All is welcome only if dont change the strategy of a killing floor based in roles, snipers, comandos, melees
ngl, it baffles me that people are mad about the skin locked to classes. i always changed my skin to match whatever class i was playing because it was just odd that they weren't already like that like any other game. and you could kinda tell which skin went with which class.
I think people just like the freedom of choice to pick any character which is the main reason they would complain and I don’t blame them, although I don’t really care what character I play as tbh
This is such a brain dead take, if people like you enjoyed pairing certain skins to certain classes fine but why would they then revamp the entire system to cater to the minority when the majority uses whichever skin and class we like? Especially in kf2 where different characters had different loot drops from crates. It’s about freedom of choice and you not understanding that shows your simply a npc
I'm still on the fence about the specialist feature. I've played other games with this, and they were fine, but I don't think this works with KF. After playing KF2 for years, KF3 will take some getting used to.
Yeah I think it is one of those games that people will either love or hate and I think the more you get used to the game the more you may like them. Then again the whole game is entirely different from the KF2 so there is a big learning curve
The only way this could be 'not as bad as we are thinking' is that there's a campaign mode where the perk is attatched to that character, like Foster/ Commando, as it would be like a canon of 'unique trait for the characters and make them more deep' stablished inside the game but in the classic mode is free perk choice, but I don't think we're and seeing that and I'm just so full of copium right now
I do hope there is a campaign mode that adds more lore and story to the game as KF2 really did lack any kind of backstory.
the animations gotta change imo
honestly after the atrocious animations their latest dlc guns in kf2 had anything is good... lol
Yeah they do need to step up the animations a lot. I know for a fact KF3 will be motion captured like KF2 so they should be high quality, but how long will that be before they revert to making them themselves I don't know.
Make create a perk, get rid of the operator shit, seriously, who wanted or asked for this, many just want to be a demo or support as santa claws, the opterators give off real rainbow6 vibes, but are probably also influenced by the modern hero shooter fad that no one even really likes, they just play, no one has ever play countersrike and though "only if there were operators so i could be kept from 90% of the ingame gear"
It would be Ideal, But unfortunately Tripwire have a set vision with the game.
this reminds me of borderlands skill trees. eh.
Because that was their intention
You can see on the forums in the description
The community manager even compares the specialist system with deep rock galactic and borderlands
Yeah I can see where your coming from. KF3 Was inspired by multiple current games like @astalkerfreedom567 mentioned, but it is different at the same time as there is more tiers, and you can upgrade each individual skill which I'm pretty sure you couldn't do in borderlands (correct me if I'm wrong)
If they didn't make all these innovations people would moan that they may as well play the older games. People literally did that with the first one when 2 came out 😂
Yeah that is true, and you get that with any game, we all have different opinions so it's impossible to agree on one thing
Look how they left my boy :(
EVERY SINGLE GAME that has brought in special characters have failed because every. single. time. 3/4 of them are dog shit useless and only 2 are worth picking they should've just kept it SIMPLE they have COMPLETELY lost the sauce they don't know wtf they are doing with the title anymore trying to make it some COD BLACK OPS ADVANCED WARFARE zombies kind of shit
In KF2 every perk has a specific role whether its dealing with crowds or taking down larger zeds and I think every specialist will have a key role to play if you ask me... like foster is good for crowd control as commando, devlin is also good for crowd control and imran is good with large zeds - each zed also has weaknesses like fire which could make firebug useful or even explosives for imran (engineer)
I hope all this bullshit arcade will be balanced to hell on earth matches we need the new hoe 2 or nightmare difficult
Or we could have the abandon all hope mode replace HOE from KF2, As I know people found that too easy
i hate future style weapons and armors and areas etc....
I see where you come from, I imagine 70 years down the line the guns would look the same as they did now, but it seems like tripwire like their futuristic stuff more
@@wezaatzk I loved the farm map from kf1 with todays weapons, I mean kf2 future kf3 again future?
@@TartarusPyroI mean, kf2 only had some futuristic weapons (the medic weapons mainly), everything else was either modern stuff or even some old weapons (like the Mkb and trench gun). Them switching these picks for primarily all futuristic guns threw me off and it's one of the reasons why I'm not that excited for kf3
welp, seems like kf3 wont last long
I would still hold some hope for the game. aside from the specialist system everything else looks promising so far...
@@wezaatzk who knows, if they still keep the orginial specialist system like previous game then its a hard pass bro. hoping the game would be better
These Charakters looks so stupid and goofy it just makes the Specialist System even worse … now i have to Play These fortnite b..ch to Play firebug 🤢🤮 all that to sell Charakters in the end of the day 👎🏼 i hope Tripwire will end like Ubisoft! 95% of the Community dont want this stupid Specialist System and they Just ignore them … i realy hope tripwire will get a Payback for Not Listening to those
🤡 cry more
Can you make a setting video on kf2
By setting do you mean the game's atmosphere and location? Or something else? Just wanted to make sure I got the right idea.
@@wezaatzk gameplay settings and controls
Yeah for sure, I'll definitely do a guide on that soon. Cheers for the idea!
they might as well make it an open world looter shooter atp 🙄🙄🏳️🌈
Why are people complaining it's something new. If we got the exact same perk system, you're paying money for the same game.
Yeah that is a fair point, they have at least improved the progression by making it deeper and more choices behind it which is good. They are improving a ton of stuff from KF2 in my opinion but we will have to wait and see how it plays when it does launch
Tell that to Battlefield 2042
I am kinda surprised how people are angry about the changes.
Nah, i am kidding, it happens all the time - fanbois hating innovations left and right, pretending like f.e. using offperk weapons is crucial to KF games :D
Yeah there will always be people who do that, and we all have our different opinions about a game or anything in general.
@@wezaatzk Still, it would be nice if they actually judged it AFTER they tried it, not months before. Different opinions are fine, as long as they are based on something reasonable, rather than pure "i dont like changes" attitude...
This just looks identical to killing floor 2
Not really
KF2 was just leveling up your class
You got class upgrades and perk upgrades with 2 choices
Now you have multiple upgrades to choose from
If you're talking about the gameplay shown, that's because it is.
It's poorly worded title because you would expect gameplay for the upcoming Killing Floor game not Killing Floor 2, if the title was just new info about Killing Floor 3 specialist it wouldn't have been as confusing
@@bigfloppymonster it is the upcoming killing floor game lol
It's killing floor 3 not 2
@@Freedomer3 you know what I meant lol