Heated Discussion | Live Stream | Maitreyan | Veganism as Moral Obligation | English | Arvind Kannan
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- A heated discussion between Maitreyan, who is a social activist and free thinker from Kerala and Arvind Kannan, who is a Vegan and animal rights activist.
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Arvind is rational and logical and on the point.
Love u Arvind.
We need more such logical brains and sensitive hearts.
MAITREYAN: why do you divide between plants and animals
Arvind: because plants aren't sentient
MAITREYAN: this is exactly like discriminating between Pakistanis and Indians
(Logic left the chat)
Lol😂😂😂
Read hidden lives of trees XD just because cortisol can't be measured we can't discount anything #jaigoyellow
@@jeshurunroshan is it peer reviewed research? Anyone can write anything
@@RahulRaj-vg4jb unlike climate change where everything is peer reviewed, this is a book based on real time experiments bro, like its available on pdf drive it turned tables so bad scientists opposed it so it is hated by the council. Please do give it a read.
@@jeshurunroshan " bad scientists " lmao
@@RahulRaj-vg4jb grammar nazi. Comma bro in the middle
I am not a Maithreyan hater, but he totally screwed up with his illogical explanation & ego.
Such a beautiful and healthy talk Aravind..!!!
True
You people don't know how the world work. World 5 to 10 percent population were doing job related to non veg food related work. They buying veg product from income from this job. That how the world work. Most of people who lived in cosatal area doing job related to sea. So its impossible to humans to be vegans.90 percentage people were living who love foods. There is only life. I don't things vegans most satisfied by their food habit. They are controlled their brain and used to it.thats it. We need protein. Which is very difficult obtain from Vegitable.
Vegan since July 1 2020.
You're the reason brother Arvind.
❤❤❤
Arvind, you are a great activist. Maitreyan is being hostile and ego driven. His 'arguments' are childish. He even threw the tantrum of a child over plants. He was being completely disingenuous. Hard to watch. I wish this conversation could have been more productive, but he came in shut down.
Maitreya is not accepting his defeat😂😂
Absolutely 😁😁
Maitreya will not give in to anybody who is having different view.
@@Ghan2927 true
മൈത്രേയനെ തോല്പിച്ചുപോലും, ആഴക്കടൽ ചർച്ചക്ക് ശേഷം ജബ്ബാറിനെ അക്ബർ തോൽപിച്ചു എന്ന് സുടാപ്പികൾ പറഞ്ഞു നടക്കുന്നതാണ് ഇതുകേൾക്കുമ്പോൾ ഓർമ്മവരുന്നത്. തലച്ചോർ ഇതുപോലോരോ ഇസങ്ങൾക്കു പണയംവെച്ച് ഹൃദയംകൊണ്ട് ചിന്തിക്കുന്ന പാവങ്ങൾ.. 🤭
@@Ghan2927 its not even about our view.its about standing with morallu right thing
Arvind sir you rock. 100% agree with you. There will always be some adamant people who'll bring up the topic of "plants" in between, inorder to cover up the fact that they don't have the capacity of being a vegan. Funniest part is....sum ppl's ego increase along with their age....very sad. Its impossible to make them understand a valid point of view.
You didn't know him,and his understanding and work on human life
@@bibin6766May be But watching the discussion, one can understand that he is a coward who tries to attack his opponent personally when answering.
@@tertiary8395 he is not a coward ,he is very courageous and always stand apart from the crowd.He is not a debator actually,that's the way of his speaking.And he has ego of his knowledge .he is using that ego.and he clearly said why he is against veganism
@@tertiary8395 and he is not good at English, otherwise it will be better
@@bibin6766It's not a language issue. Humility usually increases with knowledge. But he commits personal murder against his opponent out of anger when his ego is struck with more knowledge. This is what happens in many of Maitreyan's interviews.
The man in the middle is justifying cruelty by saying everybody does that. 🙄?
Ate lot of chicken and he now has developed a chicken brain.
@vishal neelan pinto, what vegetable is your brain to come up with this logic?
@@devadathanj So ur on maetrayans side?
He was claiming that he feels plants are like babies, he feels bad for them.
Really?
Do you feel sad when you cut ur vegetables?
And that veganism is luxurious!
Yea right? Dal sambhar is too expensive! Isn't it?
There is no way to live humans without kill animal or anything, or human should be dead, nature designed like that every specious lives by eat other or distroy other it's a law of nature that is his point
@gertgert erhtetrh do you like kfc chicken?pizza? Even if you eat vegetables, you already done with killing plants, if you're aurgement is true then humans have no right to harm other spacious morethan human population we nurtering chickens and eating, beef, fish, if you are in atlantic what will you eat??
Turned vegan 7 months ago. And there's no going back now🤗
Rest in peace
and reach heaven
@@dhanush2226 yeah will see you there after a lot of years lmao
@@dhanush2226 its their choice lol why would u care?
Already a vegan for past 2 months after watching Arvind's video.
Maitreya has too much ego and is in complete denial of facts. He thinks he's Mr. Know it all. Why doesn't he talk about his pet potato?
lol, he's got a pet potato 😂😂😂
You don't know him well enough to understand that he understand ego itself is an illusion created by the brain. And also the breadth and depth of the knowledge that he uses as his tool is very large. Forget about him and think about the points he made and find out why you are unable to comprehend them..
His brain is his pet potato.
@@neosree
Can you tell me the point which you felt was valid in this discussion said by maitreyan. I would really love to know and we can discuss !
Bhai I am vegan from Dec 2019 because of you. Thanks!
Going Vegan is Good . BuT Staying Vegan Is what matters.👍🏻
Nonsense
Don't eat vegetables,im a vegetable activist
@Vegan Vamshi Krishnan kindly give your address
@Vegan Vamshi Krishnan ok,i think that's the reason why you don't have any Idea about education
*Create a Better World by...............Living Vegan*
Well said👍👍
Arvind brother I think you also have to tell Maitreya that the amount of land and resources needed to produce food for the animals to make them big so at a particular time they are ready to be cook are very high or you can say it is far more expensive than to only produce food for ourselves. If we can produce our food by doing a little than why first make food for animals and then consume those animals and not just only produce our own food and directly consume it. I think all the non vegans should think it more sensibly. Sorry if my words hurts somebody's sentiments.
yo ur right. better than telling the meat eater that the plant has no feeling, its to tell him that an animal needs much more plants to get fat and that u kill many many more plants by eating animals (or eggs or drinking milk). why not just eat the plant directly, why do we need this extra step. its even horrible for the environment. we kill the rainforest 4 soja for feeding aninmals... if we would eat the soja directly we could feed the whole world easily. we would not need to torture all the myriad creatures so much.
You are always inspiring arvind anna💪🏻veganism is not just a diet, it's a life of "realisation " .. way to enter into most beautiful and peaceful life.. and giving life to every creature in the world ...💚❤ non sense people only compare insentient creature plants with sentient creature animals, ... we are in the right path... "அநியாயம் அனைவரும் கூறுவதால் நியாயம் ஆகாது "❣
Even if it is proved that plants feel pain then still Veganism is the best way to inflict least amount of pain to the environment and its organisms.
Because one kg of meat is equivalent to 1 kg of animal and multiples of kgs of plants the animal was made to eat to grow to its full size.
So obviously Veganism is the best choice for least pain, human health and environment
Maitreyan thinks he is right always and does not have capacity to participate in discussion.
Because He is the one right. He is intelligent han 10 people like Aravind put together.
@@thedoctorcritic8963 Lol really? 😂
@@thedoctorcritic8963 He is one helluva right woke atheist liberal who serves world class shit than all of his tribe put together.
Thats because he is right 😂
Because he actually is
I should really appreciate aravind for not being angry to egoistic maitreyan.. Whatever maitreya speaks doesn't sense at all
Listen Jiddu krishnamurti the genius!
It is so simple and all about your mind set. Human beings are mindful. Even we've eyes we always see through our mind, and every mind is his/her own story coz we all are grown up with a different society religion and culture.
Even if it is proved that plants feel pain then still Veganism is the best way to inflict least amount of pain to the environment and its organisms.
Because one kg of meat is equivalent to 1 kg of animal and multiples of kgs of plants the animal was made to eat to grow to its full size.
So obviously Veganism is the best choice for least pain, human health and environment
And how many Kg of plant food is equal to 1 kg of meat food? Please answer this to make the comparison sensible.
1 plate of rice, beans, potatoes would get you approximately as full as 1 plate of meat. It takes only one cycle of planting to produce plant plate. It takes many cycles of planting to produce meat plate since animal requires many times to be fed to grow.
I just can't believe someone argued the way Maitreya argued....When logic is killed!!!
Arvind just destroyed Mytryans lame arguments and rhetorics with facts. 👍🏻
I like the way you stayed calm when talking stupid people like Mytrayan who doesn't admit anything, when the truth is something else.
Well done bro💚
Maitreya started off with a really bizarre combination of Appeal to Nature-Tradition fallacy smeared with a Strawman fallacy. This is already going very poorly for him.
Good debate arvind keep working for the animals and inspired me to be vegan
He is saying that plants are not making seeds for us.. Same way cow is not making milk for us.
I guess mango trees cry when you take the mangoes fallen under the tree.
Have you read the book Guns Germs and Steel? Learn the history of how humans domesticated plants and animals.
peaple still cant understand the real meanings of maitreyans words.thats why all are coment against him.maitreyan is a genius...his main videos are in malayalam.he have wonderful phenominas about life.so malayalees know his real value.peaple coment against him,pls try to understand him....
I won't become a vegan.
eee pttanmaarkonnum maithreyande vakukal mansilaavilla
Yeah only blind malayalees will supprt him,his most arguements are illogical and he just spit out his thoughts without even conducting proper study,he dont even have any knowledge in anthropology but always making stupid statememts
@@user-zw7wg1vt5c aahno bro
Can we do a video about mistakes of Maithreya
We want to save his blind followers
I will live as vegan and I will also teach my kids and wife as vegans
Arvind sir you are great 🔥❤️
I have seen entire live discussion expecting a meaningfull debate about both perspectives. But due to maitreya's plants feel pain and "vegan is luxary" points ..ultimately proved that he knows only these two points.. arvind you rocked today bro👌👌👌
Even if it is proved that plants feel pain then still Veganism is the best way to inflict least amount of pain to the environment and its organisms.
Because one kg of meat is equivalent to 1 kg of animal and multiples of kgs of plants the animal was made to eat to grow.
So obviously Veganism is the best choice for least pain, human health and environment. welfare. 😊
It won't what Maitreya said is partly correct. By luxury he meant, on doesn't need to cultivate his food or grow animals to food. We are living n luxury that some people do this working and we have the option to choose the food.... If you didn't have the luxury you will be growing food on your own and will need to eat food whatever is possible....if you follow the vegan ideology there you will not be able to survive.....
Hays of u Aravind
@@AVyt28 can u explain further I didn't understand??
@@ashishpoudel5535 what Maitreya meant by luxury was??? We don't need to take the pain to grow crops or grow animals.....those are done by farmers and such kind of people..... If we were also farmers we would have to grow crops on our own, grow our own animals, in the process we have to kill other animals that spoil our crops and harm our animals....if we were in an agricultural society we would have to eat everything possible we get.....Only due to industrialisation, that we have the privilege to sit at home and not worry about how food production......
I'm so sorry you had to go through this. I thought this was going to be an interesting discussion but here y'all were still at the 'plants feels pain' level xD It's alright Arvind, we will keep going, no matter what.
I can understand it when an average person makes these arguments.
But these are supposed to be much better arguements
But can't complain. Because there is only one right answer and it is to go vegan
@@VineethSudhir Preach.
Anushka.............exactly, you expressed my same thought perfectly.
Hey anushka. Are you one of the members of the ASM youngsters group?
When ever I feel to quit veganism, I see ur videos ❤️. Keep uploading more videos, please create more awareness.
Omg! 21 minutes into this...
And Maitreya is so annoying.
His ego is hurt, that's all.!
Not even giving arvind sir the chance to explain...!
When he was talking arvind sir was patient.
Lol, he's illogical...
Just yelling cuz he doesn't have answers to anything. Literally anything.
I've watched a lot of maitreyan videos and I can agree with him on all of them. He gave me a lot of knowledge of things I wasn't aware of so thanks to him. But this debate maitreyan lost, maybe he wants to justify his actions or ego.
He's guilty of what he's doing. That's why bringing in such childish arguments.
Maithreyan dude: its not my choice to be a human being
Aravind dude(thinking): should I go to Tanzania or Africa to eat some elephant meat
Vysakh dude: but arvind got a point
Maithreyan dude: sorry i gotta leave. Its time to feed my carrots some rabbit meat
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why didn't you say that we have to feed tons and tons of plants to feed animals before we kill them? Aren't you killing plants too when you kill an animal?
He was not at all listening to arvind.
He didnt stick on one point to take the debate in right direction.
When you kill plants, you kills many animals food. 🤣
Tons of water for the animal to drink too, which could go towards the crops
Mytreya. Understand killing animals causes more killing of plants.as 1 kg of meat requires 16kg of plants
Next time I eat 1 kg of mutton, I'll give my vegan friends 16 kg of grass.
Arvind. This is completely your fault.!
You should have informed Maitreyan to not get high on local whiskey just before this debate 😂
😂😂😂🤦🏽♀️
😁😁🥳
Is local whisky Vegan????🤔🤔😎
@@8schopra"this you're talking because you are living a luxurious life, u are sitting at home, don't have anything to do...
You never cultivated"
- Maitreyan logic
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Like Aravind I can also say which non-vegetarian is killing animal? Most of the non-veg people buy it from shop or super market. Then where is the problem. If Aravind/vegan is not bothered about the people who is killing animals to cultivate veg food why should a non-veg get bothered about the people who make non veg food for them.
Had always respected Maitreyan...but he was pathetic here.
He has said things like yoga is a myth
Very convincing arguments Arvind. Well done mate 👍
zzzzzzzzzactly
@@LouisGedo
Hey my brother!
Good debate, Thanks to the three of you. moderator did intervene a lot :) but irrespectively did justice by clarifying sides without much bias. First time watching Arvind. good debater and wish him many more good debates in the future. I am on Mythreyans side on this topic for the points raised while I am a propogandist of empathy (mirror neurons) which is what Arvind brought about, otherwise word would not be as it is today.
Thank heavens the people who fought the slave trade, the annihilation of the Jews, fought for women to have the right to vote and have property, racism and homophobia did not think like Maitreya.
This Mithreyan arguements are always self centered n he will make it as human welfare. Plz don't get influence with fool narcissistic. I m non vegetarian. But I respect people who are vegans. Being vegetarian will make less aggressive than this man who always shouts n be like animal.
Wats the point ther saying be like an animal...so u see animals as inferior to you
am not a vegan but maithreyan is not a good debater
you are telling we have option to eat plants, right? That's what maithreyan said you have luxury. Maithreyan is criticising veganism as an ideology because it's not practical. We have got 7 billion population and a small luxurious minority can follow this ideology. When you represents the luxurious minority, maithreyan represents the unprivileged, and defending their rights. Veganism as an ideology is going to be oppressive for those who do not have the luxury to practice it. Now itself many vegans calls maithreyan fool and show intolerance to his disagreement. Imagine then how will it be the vegans treating non vegetarians? Vegans will opress the non vegans. It's possible if now itself the vegans here dared to call maithreyan old idiot without bothering that he too has got senses and feelings, not just animals.
You are seeing it in narrow way and maithreyan seeing it in a broader social, political, economical and scientific way.
Maitreya points didn't make any scientific sense to me. I stand with arvind.
Arvind Animal Activist ........you completely dismantled all of your opponents arguments.
When someone brings up the irrational argument that because a plant can react to its environment that this must mean that it's sentient, you can offer them a million different apropos analogies to demonstrate the fallacious nature of their argument including mood watches and automatic flushometers that react to their environment. Those are two of countless examples.
Hi there 💚👍✌️
because there is no justification against veganism
"The hardest part in veganism is explaining it to braindead people"
Like Maitreya.
No. It is living without mathi. And living with a false idea of humanity.
You can wash a brain if one has it
@@hgwash1 He's already "brain washed"
@@Vnp99 I am saying he does not even have a brain for someone to wash.
Purpose of every life is to reproduce no difference if it is plant or animal. When we eat a fruit or vegetable or seed or stem we are destroying it or not allowing it to continue life or reproduce or create the new generations. This is the same when we are eating an animal. Even though we humans doesn't feel like we are hurting them as evident in animals but the truth we are. We doesn't feel that's not the truth. that is only because we are comparing our feelings only to animals. Plants don't feel pain as our perspective. For every living being if we are not allowing them functions as they are evolved to, we have to admit that it's their pain. Emotional aspect is according to our understanding of pain in our perspective. When we understand this, we cannot differentiate plants and animals on our sentimental view.
All living beings depends on others beings for sustain life. It doesn't make a difference what we are eating, the only thing is, is it helping us to survive or not. Humans and every animals evolved by eating what they get in the environment they live in. So we should eat what we get and what we like to eat. One cannot say that, eating meat is not moral or eating veg is moral
Good arguments arvind
Maitreyan isn't a debate friendly person. He's just an ammavan.
I think You should know more about maitreyan. And you will find that he is not a person as you thought. He inspires me a lot. He Changed my perspective of the world and helped me to understand the scientific reality around us.
@@yashk9851 for me Zakir Naik= Sadhguru. Neither of them inspires me.
Though I was a vegetarian but after listening to arvind now a days, I too got inspired and became vegan a week ago. Its not that difficult. Even spiritual gurus say humans are born for vegetarian food only. Considering the animal cruelty these days I would request all human beings to go vegan. It's a humble request. All are requested to watch all videos of arvind to expand their knowledge.
Maithreyan is broader in understanding the issue. When you depend more on plants, more people have to work on the field. Also its difficult to produce plant based food for 7 bnillion population. If you are eating more plants, somebody on the other side losing their plant share and they have to depend animals. Also for production of plants, you will have to kill insects, birds, and animals attacks the field. That's the reality in rural india. When you are not directly killing the animals, you are indirectly killing animals by the hands of farmers and people who don't get the share of plant based food. Also when the veganism expands, it will focus on animals and will loose its human concern and will act against human beings who eat animal food. Like when the cow politics exists, they kill people to pretect cow. If the veganism expands, and when the upper class, and people with luxury can afford this ideology, they will make it law in state and punish those who are not (able to) following it. Hence veganism is the option for people with privileges. Don't make it universal.
Animals are eating plants and converts only a percent to meat, and it has not reduced supply of food
Veganism is a choice everyone will not be vegan for sure so its not necerssary to talk against veganism
@@user-zw7wg1vt5c no issues against people choosing a way which harm less to other animals. Here the problem is how vegans see non-vegeterians. The problems comes there
@@user-zw7wg1vt5c athre ollu
Alland veganism oru shreshtamaaya sambhavam aanenn parayaand irinnal madi
Comparism veganism and cow politics was absurd. Expressing views and making it validate by pointless allegory 🙏
உயிர் இரக்கமே பேரின்ப வீட்டின் திறவுகோல். Compassion towards all living beings is the only key to enter into blissful and peaceful life. அறிவு நிலை தெளிந்தோர்க்கு உயிர் இரக்கமே கடவுள் வழிபாடு. Compassion towards all living beings is the only worship for the people with intelligence.
Dear saravanan god,
Don't be discouraged Bro ! Please continue your mission !
@@ponnamy Thanks. I do that. I usually neglect such people's ridicule and ignore answering their silly questions while continuing my way of activism.
May God give Maitreya & such people the right knowledge...
@കുട്ടി ചെകുത്താൻ During the oath taking ceremony of Prime minister & chief minister...& Even in court they say Promise in the name of God.....
@കുട്ടി ചെകുത്താൻ We have 100% evidence for God,pls visit www.brahmakumaris.com
Aravind you are awesome ❤️
I think nobody knows about maithreyan..
Maitreyan uses the words 'ideology', 'science', 'religion' etc. unnecessarily in wrong places in an absurd way. Many of the 'so called rationalists' in Kerala do like this, I've seen. I seriously doubt whether they know what these things are.
I think they know more than a religious head
@@Lekshmi12344 the debate proves very well that his head is no better than a religious head. Both idiots - religious people and people like maaithreyan have irrational believes and half cooled knowledge.
Dear aravind honestly I'm asking you... Y u r debating with such nut cases 🤦♀️🙏
Ada loose unakk inda contente puriyaleya inum
@@dhanush2226 groundikk poy vilayadu thambi 🥱.....
@@intothewild3580 😂😂👍
@@intothewild3580 sarinna😎
Wasting time with bollocks😂
Wtf bro! Was Maitreya high while doing a debate ?
Where do you buy your food! #checkmate #GoVegan
Lol I'm from Kerala and this guy is not as much of a free thinker as he claims to be... Totally let down by him, not even bringing up good non vegan excuses 🤣🤣
It need a lot of reading and studying all areas of life to comprehend what he is trying to convey. He is not non-vegan. He is not vegan either. Just don't keep thinking in dividing lines again and again.. human history is full of dividing lines created by humans.. stop dividing again like how some humans (identified themselves as brahmins) created caste system to morally dominate..
@@neosree Your comment makes no sense, you're either a vegan or you're not, it's like you're either a child abuser or not.. It's a passive non action, bare minimum not a morally superior position, although it is in a sense
I think the opposite guy Aravind is not making any logical point for Mythreyan to put forward his strong points.
True he speaks without conducting any proper study about things,he just spit out his thoughts such an overrated man
Maitreya the plant rights activist.
Arvid, I Agree that Maitreya was acting childish and didn't give you room to speak...
But I wished, to see a fine debate like Humane Hancock or Joey Carbstrong or Ed Winters...
nd not a one sided unfair farce 😕
I don't intend you to be like them, you are different and amazing...
Improve on your Argumental skills!
Take Care, Love form your fans❤️❤️❤️👍
In kerala 97 % people are non veg .. all around world more than 90 % eat non veg.. If all people becomes vegan.. where you will cultivate rice, wheat etc for all those people?.. you have to destry forest for that... where the wild animals in that forest will go?.. it will come to villages and will eat humans.. where should chicken, goats, cows etc should live?. If its not economically benefitable humans wont take care of them.. they will eventually transferred to forest and wild animals will hunt them and it will be more painful for goats, cows etc and eventually all of them will die faster.. the reality is higher majority of animals, trees, plants etc will be distroyed if all humans become vegans..
How do u think the animals u are consuming get their feed??
75% of all agricultural land in the world is used for making crops to feed ONLY animals.....did u know there are 80 billion domestic animals in the world ??
If we all go vegan....then all that 75 % land will be used for humans and not animals.
And think about it.....if we are able to feed 80billion land animals....do u think it will be hard to feed a mere 8 billion humans??
We will infact have excess land left to turn into forests.... because those animals generally eat more than humans
Even if plants feel pain.. (according to me they do, but certainly not proven as either true or false), and i respect them.. but the point is, if we dont eat anything, we will also feel pain and die..
Survival is painful process.. and its up to us if we just blindly live for taste, ignoring other life forms.. or sensibly choose our food.. And ya animals who eat other animals, are doing it for survival, not for taste..
Our body is both habitual and adaptive.. if we eat only non veg, and suddenly shift to vegan we may feel little discomfort, cravings.. requires determination and consistency to change, though i did it at once successfully..
If someone genuinely think that plant feel pain out of compassion, not as excuse or argument (not as an "excuse" that "plant and animal both feel pain, so why not choose to eat animals")
If someone genuinely feel for plants, i respect you a lot.. and suggest that dont eat merely for taste and to fill yourself up, eat vegan in balanced way.. neither too much neither too less
We have right to survive, but not to torture anyone.. so eating plants is survival part, not torture..
But certainly caging an animal for there whole life (taking away there choice to fight or flight), or paying someone to do it and cut it for you, is certainly cruel.. even milk industry is cruel..
This guy is doing amazing to stand for animals..
Maitreyan said that life is not a phenomenon like a pain.
Pain is origin from the evolution
Plants are formed without central, there is no locomotive involved in those times. so it's doesn't need central. When the complex living things origin from evolution, it's started the movement, so that is the reason for brain development.
Pain is also developed by motion to understand
Life doesn't need a central.
U must understand life and lives.
Finally found someone who understood maitreyan's points.🙌
This aravind has good command over the language.thats it. What mayitreyan was trying to say is , veganism is all about being in a comfortzone and having the luxury to practice it. And the ideology of veganism is like a religion. It just simply doesn't make any sense. Humans will end up eating their own shit if left out with any food for number of days. Lol.
Bro.. vegan food is cheapest. Dal roti curry ..where does the point of luxury comes?
@@chaitanyamallipudi What if the people don't have money to buy the dal roti ??? Catching fish from ponds or from rivers is free of cost. So the people will chose fish more than dal roti.
@@ananthurgopal9868aravind point was ....if u don't even have money to buy dal and roti....u shouldn't be vegan....
Veganism is for ppl who have a choice between harming animal's and not harming.
Let's give an example...i can say murdering a human is wrong ..but the same will not apply for a soldier in war where he has to kill the enemy.
Because he has no choice there.
But the general public who do have a choice.... should not kill other humans.
It's similar to this
Maitreya, you kill far more animals contributing to animal agriculture than you kill when you eats plants alone. What do you feed the animals that you kill and eat?
His audio quality is so bad and so is his arguments.
And why does he talk “if protein can be made in a Petri dish”? I wonder what exactly he meant by that? Does he think that protein is found only in meat? Can he be so ignorant? Then what are vegans? And even vegetarians? The walking dead? No proteins? Veganism is spreading, he’s so ignorant about that too. Where do herbivores get their protein from? Do humans have to recycle the proteins from
plants through the animals before they eat them? I am a 72 year old very healthy vegan veterinarian, probably the only few vets who do not eat their patients and listening to him was so painful. He should keep to his social activism and not venture into topics that he knows little about. Makes him look like a fool.
Well said Dr Vanaja👍
We don't have to eat simple vegan food. *We should eat luxury and Tasty Vegetarian & Vegan Food!!*
100 % Aravind Didn't understand what maitreyan is saying..the word" luxury " arvind didn't get what he meant and I'm sure they will not going to get in near future.. otherwise he have to teach him... That's why Aravind replayed I'm going to eat aloo sambar and dal ... And asking where is the luxury... .. Maitreyan didn't have language fluency to convey the things.. But... The thing if the language is also ok.. even he didn't going to understand what's the point he is saying...
He didn't understand the meaning of touch and taste... That's why asking about an organ like toung ... .
Mr. Aravind is having good vocabulary skills, however ideas are very vague. Idea of evolution is all that is required to make the debate scientific other than a lot of anacdotes. So sorry to waste my time more. Maitreyan shall refrain from these type of debates. With great respect i request Mr. Aravind to read the book Greatest show on earth by richard dawkins and then start debate again.
The feeling of pain is subjective term. It is a neural reaction which supports evolution. The evolution in plants have different mechanism. We all evolved from cyanobacteria.. and all have a common anscestors.. No differences between plants and animals. And that is how it works. You cant even heat water as millions of bacterias are dying. Our body itself made up of trillions of bacteria. To counter the argument of mr. Aravind a sarcastic argument can be made.give anasthesia and kill😀😀
Maithreyan is not comfortable with English
Aravind anna and Mrs, thank you both for being vegan and continuing to inspire others to see the truth ,facts and reality.
Do unto others what you want to be done to you is the most distilled simplified reason for veganism that helped me become a vegan.
Anyone who thinks that the masses participate in cruelty so why should we not, can see how Hitler rationalized his cruelty to humans .
Much kudos to you Anna for making the opponent team look clueless and exposing their repetitive lame excuses over and over.
So funny to see that when you present facts, the only response they have is to either get loud and angry or to flee like a vampire showed daylight.
You are a Champion anna. Keep going🏆🏅
What luxury? Two-thirds of people in India live in poverty: 68.8% of the Indian population lives on less than $2 a day. Over 30% even have less than $1.25 per day available - they are considered extremely poor. I hope vegans have time to think about their fellow humans.
The luxury is you have enough to eat.
Give them rice and dal. Once they have enough to eat let's talk veganism
And politics and veganism proof is Justin Trudeau and Greta Thunberg with her electric car with canned food and plastic bags and professional security company.
The big Expose: th-cam.com/video/TTXdhTwO320/w-d-xo.html
Electric Car: th-cam.com/video/r8SyoRwV_To/w-d-xo.html
And veganism is the new castism in elite society.
Pretty sure you are gonna delete this.
Actually it's ain't maetrayan... It's mairan 😂😂😂.... Vegan🥦🥕🌽 for the animals🐵🐔🐶🐷 💪💪💪🦾
ennada solre
Your food isn't a moral obligation,it's your survival...m
Vysakh is just explaining what they already understood 😐🙆♂️
Here maithreyan is not a vegan supporter,he just is a normal man who not beleive in veganism,thats what aravind not understanding
@@preashkumar1344 Arvind clearly understand that he's not a Vegan supporter.
But when not being a Vegan, atleast talk some sense, not rubbish illogical stuff.
Maetriyan was just going on and on talking all non sense.
Worst debater ever award goes to Maetriyan
Vishal Neelan Pinto -as maithrryan said aravind has no idea of life n evolution,he didnt understand about luxury what maitreyan said,
@@preashkumar1344 What life and evolution??? Raping animals, caging them, abusing them.
All unnecessarily.
What justification to this?
Our bodies dont need these animal products. Then why simply torchure them?
And what luxury? Vegan foods are the cheapest... Its staple of poor people.
Poorer people are plant based by default.
When u want to save money... U choose to eat non veg or veg? Simple as that!
Vishal Neelan Pinto -whatz ur age?
I applaud Aravind for controlling his laughter and pretend to listen to the nonsense of Maitreyan!.
When we cut plants and their stems many times they grow back...can animals do that?
If we pluck the fruits ..the tree bears fruit again .
Is it same with an animal ...if plants and animals are same then animals have to grow limbs again.
Mr Maitreyan s mind is closed ...it is not possible to have a rational debate with him.
I think you have lack of knowledge in science
@Vegan Vamshi Krishnan you are really funny😂
@Vegan Vamshi Krishnan bro I'm talking in the basis of evolution both has life and both are separated at the time of evolution.
@Vegan Vamshi Krishnan I finds life more important thing than ,whether it is sentient or not
@Vegan Vamshi Krishnan today we can cultivate both at the same rate,dont you know about that
Arvind showed a lot of patience. It’s like he’s debating a wall.
Arvind.............you couldn't have imagined in a fantasy a person who spews more ludicrous arguments than your opponent. This may have been the most painfully ignorant Anti-vegan I've come across in a long time.
Your patience with his ludicrous arguments is heroic.
I suggest to read his book "For Humans to Know" before judging. That will give some perspective. Also books like Guns Germs and Steel, Ego Tunnel etc.
@@neosree Perspective on what, exactly?
What is wrong with judging? Be as specific as possible.
One topic where mytreyan cannot argue much
*I'm a Jain!!* And I'm a Vegetarian. But, I will try to *go Vegan.*
You're a Jain, You're a Vegetarian, Soon a Vegan... Ughh you so many "things"
@@aparnavenugopal9024 I'm *not going to be a Vegan.* I'm a Lacto-Vegetarian. I take milk and all milk products. And recently, I started taking *"honey"* too. For me, food is about *my Well Being.* I don't see food as a Moral Virtue.
@Vegan Vamshi Krishnan It's my personal choice. And, I'm NEVER going to adopt a Vegan lifestyle completely. I may once in a while eat a Pure Vegan Diet, but, for the most of my life, I'm going to be a Vegetarian. Even being a Vegan, there will be sentient beings harmed. So, there is no need for me to become a 100% Vegan. Being a Pure Vegetarian is at least sufficient for me.
@Vegan Vamshi Krishnan That's your belief. Not mine. And, I don't have to follow your beliefs. For me, I don't put my morals above my well-being. Therefore, though I'm personally upset about the exploitation of bees and some other Animals, still I'm going to be a Vegetarian!! I'm *not* going to be a Vegan. Sorry dude.. But, this is who I am. Along with rice, fruits and vegetables, *I'm also going to consume all milk products and honey.* But, *I don't use* leather, wool or silk, and I don't consume eggs too much. Because, deep in my heart, I do love many Animals. But, end of the day, I'm NEVER going to go completely Vegan. Sorry... if I have hurt your feelings.
@Vegan Vamshi Krishnan Along with my tastes, I care about my well-being as well. So, that is why I don't consume meat, unless I really have to. But, normally my diet is 99.7% Vegetarian !! And, being a Vegetarian is as Healthy, or probably even healthier than being Vegan. So, end of the day, I'm going to be a Vegetarian and follow a good Vegetarian lifestyle & diet. *I don't have to be a Vegan.*
Moderator Vyshakh le: ye kahaan phasaa diya mujhe!! 😂😂😂
Bro antha maitreya va mothalla oru nalla internet connection Vanga sollunga bro 😂😂 comedy pantu irukan
@yugen dran 😂😂😂 💯 vegans to maitreya : en en ollara en
@yugen dran 😂😂
Ada loosu ppayale
Maitreya, what do you feed the animals you eat?
Great argument arvind🙏
Plz keep the good work going.....human beings understand fear n pain...simple...same with animals....sad we hv to convince people that animals too have the same feelings 😟
Thats the irony
Logically Mythreyan makes sense. But we can all agree to be more compassionate towards plants and animals.
Change starts with you, Maitreya. Would you be able to change yourself?
well done avnd bro, message was presice
Miatreyan is irrationalist. veganism is the best form of life… We vegans don’t intentionally hurt any animals . Humans can live a peaceful life with vegan and straight edge lifestyle… it’s morality
Lol I feel sad for the old guy...😌 I think he got a weed before the debate..😂😂
Local whiskey maybe...
Straaang.
I thought vegans loved weed. It being a plant and all...
@@devadathanj 😂🤣
You don't know who is that and what was his life experience ❤️
He is the best of best man i saw before in my life.
@@devadathanj Butthurt Maithreyan fan 😂
I think the addiction of nonveg made maitreya egoistic and this discussion should have ended meaningful
Plants can taste?????? WTF?????? Citation please.
www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170109-plants-can-see-hear-and-smell-and-respond
Honestly i m not a pure vegan, i do consume milk products occasionally.. but i really can't deny Arvinds point.
Arvind explaining about that plants don't have brain to a braindead person 😂😂😂
Very true😁
Arvind be like : ivan kitte pese mudiyathuda... Mairandi
Arvind, people like these don't deserve your decency and the valuable knowledge you share.
There's no point in arguing with this egoistic, hypocritical person.
Just because Plant's and vegetables can't scream out there pain ( even thou there is no pain) when you cut them out, doesn't justice what you guy's do to them ...please don't eat them guys.....😔😚
It's a joke 😶
i am with Maitreyan .... being close to nature in all perspects is more relevant than just being a Vegan
maitreya had no points to give ... he was just talking nonsense! arvind nailed it though!