Just a heads up: using royal summoner arts summons a bonus elemental. If you watch the fight portion, you can see an element be summoned during Starfall. Also, when you have three elementals summoned and you summon an additional one, you will automatically discharge one of your old elementals (which counts towards the additive damage skill!). I tend to actually use Royal Summoner WITHOUT Elemental Discharge and just summon more elementals faster with other Royal Summoner arts and rely on the passive elemental discharge from summoning more than three.
I knew that first part, but not the second part. I thought the element just got rotated out of the queue and I lost it. So much is happening in fights! I never notice the damage numbers, I only notice the orbs above my head 😂
I’m so confused. Is it per elemental discharged, as in using Discharge with three elements gives you 120%? Or is it the actions themselves giving you the bonus, as in discharging 3 with Discharge and discharging 1 when using Starfall when full both give you 40%? I always thought it was the second one based on the wording. OP seems to be right regardless. It eventually edges out in number of discharges because you never lose them. It also syngerizes with Glittering Melody/Troubadour’s dying recharge skill and even Nopon Strap/Dance of Barrages. A place where it seems less clear cut is Chain Attacks though. But I’m not even sure what to do there.
Something I've found: Since Starfall has a long animation, linking it to an evasion art like Aerial Slash can actually be a really strong defensive option.
I love using Noah's base outfit with this class. Combine the Ether Wings you get in battle with that base outfit and then Draw Lucky Seven, with Noah's Gauntlet, looks so badass, like a protagonist some sort of hyper awakened super powered activates.
One of the funniest ways you can use Royal Summoner is actually as Master Skills on Seraph with a Shackle Ring. Element Genesis can hit some pretty chunky numbers (highest I got was like 1.5 million per hit). I didn't actually Play around with the class itself, so it's possible the damage could be even higher than the hybrid Seraph, since it gets a 400% additive damage boost.
I always found this class to be ok. There are some attackers that just better, but at least it doesn’t feel useless like Stalker, Yumsmith, and Machine Assassin
The cool thing about Element Genesis is that its damage bonus is multiplicative with almost everything else in the game. It's in the same part of the damage formula as Power Charge, so it can be used to dish out some absolutely MONSTROUS damage when used with three elemental stacks. I also like how all of the arts besides discharge will stack up at least one Elemental Orb, allowing for an 11 second rotation of art -> discharge -> other art -> discharge to stack up the 400% additive. In shorter fights I'll just run Dance of Barrages with a Nopon Strap and Shackle Ring to build up stacks as fast as possible and just use the Shackle Ring's independent multiplier so as to stack up damage in only a minute or so to then unload millions of damage per Genesis.
Just wanted to point out I think Summon Element can be a good master art on whoever's playing Lifesage because if you can get three Summon Earth elements up that's 15% damage reduction for the whole party that should stack with the Abundant Oceans skill reducing party damage by another 15% so together that should be a full 30% damage reduction which can be great to help non defenders survive powerful AoEs if you thought the 15% just from Abundant Oceans was significant.
I really wish it described somewhere in the tutorials for this class what each Elemental did, how you get them, and the mechanics around them. Even for a XC1 veteran, it was confusing.
These 2 thumbnails are so good! The meme boy is back. While I like Melia a lot, I just struggle with this class. The other damage classes are just so much easier, and L7 is just too broken to not focus on anyway. So, this class is cool and optimized can be very good, I just don't think it is worth it
Lets hope wave 3 will at least match xc2 challenge mode content cos right now its basically a slightly better xc1 time attack which is hugely disappointing (i say this xc1 being my favourite)
@@neonblackbeast7243 it's a real shame too, I was really looking forward to challenge mode because 2's is so damn good, only for it to pretty much just be a minorly improved time attack, a feature I was also looking forward to and was sorely disappointed by. At least in 3 party comps are very flexible as opposed to 1 where Shulk/Dunban/Reyn are the answer to 95% of all problems.
I just wanted to say, thanks for all the guides Enel! You were super helpful as I played through the game and I really enjoyed this game that much more because of it. 3 has my favorite gameplay across the entire Xeno series and while it may not have quite as much depth and variety as 2 has, I think the most fun gameplay in this game is a lot more accessible than it was in 2, if that makes sense? Like, 2 has a lot of knowledge and prep you need to have prior to doing fights that can make getting into the real postgame stuff a bit of a hurdle, but it was way easier to get into the mechanics in 3.
I’m so happy you are coming back to finish up these last two classes, Enel! I had my own builds but your guide really helped me change some things around to improve the template I had! ❤
I find the class is a really strong off-support primarily using Nopon Strap and Dance of Barrages to quickly build up the multiplier and Ring o' Roses to make up for when the refresh doesn't proc. Being able to spam Shadow Stitch allows you to use pretty much any talent art since it'll fill very rapidly, and if Summon Element refreshes while Elemental Discharge doesn't, the old orbs just get discharged and you're basically guaranteed 3 discharges on Elemental Discharge/Genesis next time they're used I use Noah for his natural dexterity (alternate abilities listed as most/least commonly used): Arts: Summon Element, Elemental Discharge, Shadow Stitch, Ring o' Roses, Night Hunt/Aureole, No Love Lost/Resonant Flag/Mighty Beat/Jackal Claw/Tri-Slash/Overfall Element Genesis/Violent Streak/Glittering Melody/Cry of Faith/Saber Strike Skills: Dance of Barrages, Eye for Weak Points, Covert Attack/Sappy-Sappy Drain! Gems: Empowered Combo, Analyze Weakness, Refined Blessing/Disperse Bloodlust/Refined Incantation Accessories: Nopon Strap, Thermo Headgear/Shackle Ring, Lunae Rings/Accomplished Hairpiece/Chaotic Memory/Accomplished Vambraces Notes: No Love Lost and Resonant Flag are my most commonly used as they help my tanks maintain aggro since Phys Def. Down is surprisingly easy to inflict, then depending on the fight, I'll lean more towards support if my tanks struggle to survive or keep aggro. Best case scenario is Mio and the healers are proficient enough to allow Noah to just crank out damage (including Blaze/Toxin) with little worry. Only against lv200 Seraphic Ceratinia did i ever resort to Deflector Field and/or a Plate Belt to stay afloat and Smithy Gloves in place of a damage boost Realistically, I don't use Royal Summoner because it's better than other classes (it's not), I just use it because I like Melia and sometimes things will line up so I get huge Smashes
Okay... Learning that overcapping the elementals actually counts towards the additive changes things drastically (learned from the pinned comment). That means once you have three elementals up, you get a 40% boost with every Royal Summoner Art you use. Gonna have to try this out myself.
the biggest thing that i think is vary much needed to know is that it appears all other royal summoner skills minus discharge creates a elemental, with summon element giving 2. this explains why discharge is much shorter because it askes to rotate other arts to create it. straight up if i didnt look at the comments i wouldnt of looked directly closer into it and thought the only way to summon elements was through the only art it self.
Thanks for all the class guides Enel! It's been a big help throughout my playthrough! As for this class, I really like it, and I tried to make it work, but it just doesn't hold up as well compared to other attack classes. Regardless, I still enjoy using it, and the hero is still very solid!
I have done a bit of testing and this is what I found. 1) using elemental discharge without elements does not give a damage boost. 2) elemental discharge creates no elements, summon element produces 2 elements and every other rs art produces 1 3)if you create more than 3 elements elements will be discharged down to three and you will trigger the damage boost. 4) it does not matter how many elements you discharge you will only trigger the damage boost once (for example if you have 3 elements and use elemental discharge your damage would increase by 40% not 120%) 5) element genesis does not proc the damage increase. 6) with 3 elements up elemental genesis does about double damage. 7) you lose the damage boost if you die.
Adding to the pinned comment, because of the additional elements being summoned I like running the nopon strap and the skill that does the same thing, being able to spam arts can increase the damage multiplier way faster. It is an rng heavy strategy however it’s also really fun
Y'know, I'm really looking forward to the day when all the DLC for the game has been released so we can play through all the content in one playthrough.
Look!!! It’s it a bird?!! No it’s a plane!! It’s a bird lady? No…no it’s just a bird. Good spoiler hiding image btw, really nice. You’re on fleek with the “spoiler” from yesterday and now this.
@@famillesabot5719 *starts playing Brilliant Wings like the Superman theme as she flies through the air* Technically she can fly. Well…levitate a bit. …tsk tsk! such trivial technicalities!
Was so disappointed with what they did to this class. Melia was my favorite character to use in the entire series cause I love the crazy dot damage you can easily rack up, and it's just terrible now.
Noah gets the Protagonist powers: Has the best unique Talent Art in the game and gets Class inheritance one of the post game classes and DLC. Also, at least Royal Summoner is better than Stalker. Right? Right…?
Instead of Covert Arts, I personally run the Frenzied Combo skill. It helps out a lot with the slow cooldown of the class. I also pair the class up with Zephyr and Lifesage. Even when art spamming Zephyr still has a relatively good chance of keeping/getting back aggro. On the chance I do gain aggro, Lifesage makes me pretty unkillable, and at the very least buys Zephyr enough time to regain aggro.
Bird Lady Melly! I like using a Signifer and Troubadour, both with Glittering Melody. It can get the class's arts up much more and has helped me do some pretty powerful damage.
I've really enjoyed these class videos. I wish I'd found your channel before I was 3/4 of the way through the whole Xenoblade series (I picked it up for the first time a few months ago.) Have a blessed day, yourself!
I went hard into extra recharge effects for this class because I wanted to be able to use the elemental arts as often as possible. I have Nopon Strap, Dance of Barrages and the standard boosted recharge when the defender isn't targeted in addition to Ring of Roses. Works out pretty well, but even then, this class doesn't have the best of damage especially at the start of battle
I could maybe see this class being good in a tankless evasion team build, being able to utilize protector’s pride, but you have to be playing as the evasion attacker for that team to work so you’d never really get to use it anyways.
7:29 doesn't Power Effect have a situational use when grinding cp to max class ranks, or simply ending challenge battles quickly by using Capable Hands as a skill and Unlimited Sword (Lucky 7) as a talent art? Who cares about taking damage when you can do enough damage fast enough within the invincibility buff duration?
I honestly just use Royal Summoner and Life Sage for the alternate combat music more often than not. Those new renditions are refreshing after hours of the same battle themes.
I was wondering if you could do like a team build comp. Other than that thank you for everything you're guides helped me alot with the super boss on hard!!!
*Ashera *☝️is not better *You do want to use your hero multiple times (if it’s melia that is) *Her Completion Bonus is better, being the same as Eunie’s *But really Fiona is the best
@@TimothyGod Honestly, don’t know. That was before Future Redeemed or even Masha released and my opinions have changed since then. I’m keeping the comment up because it reflects my thoughts at the time.
The class’ Hero does better damage than Noah with the class. Because the Hero has an additional art, which also has a topple effect. Except unlike Starfall it’s physical, meaning in Chain Attacks it can take advantage of Taion’s order. Edit: Also the hero’s Heroic Chain is the best one for consistent Amazings every round (unless if she isn’t reactivated)
I feel like this is the class you don't equip damage accessories with since it has enough built-in damage buffs and just stack your art cooldown accessories so you get to use them more often given their super long cooldowns.
Hey Enel, could I give you a video suggestion? I'd like to know more about how the AI can handle various jobs in the game and which jobs one might use for a party member who will be primarily AI controlled. Are there any variations in skills/gear you would make when you know the character will mostly be handled by the AI? I'm asking because in many of your videos, there are indications that you know quite a bit about the Xenoblade AI mechanics.
If they just made elemental discharge like 5-6 seconds shorter cooldown this class would be SO MUCH better. Real disappointment since Melia was my favourite in XC1, I also feel like the 3 art set is quite punishing since all 5 of her arts are good but you absolutely NEED 2 of them to make the classes unique gimmick work. The rare case where the hero is far superior to the class you can inherit
XC3 Spoilers so don’t look at this if you didn’t beat it I was kinda disappointed that there were only like 3 elements to summon. Maybe there could have been some gimmick like Soulhacker to make the Fusion Arts be old XC1 Melia Arts that give you the other elements like Wind, Bolt, and Ice.
I know there really isn't a way around it with having 200 party members to display, but does the zoom out in this game bug anyone else? It is like you are fighting with an ant colony and can barely see anything they are actually doing. It makes me feel very disconnected from the characters. Also how isn't Eunie the S rank?????? All that aside, love the video!
Can I make a request, is it possible to you to create a guide on how to grind noponstones in this game. With the ability to purchase nopon coins in challenge mode, and the ability to raise your class levels, I feel it could be very helpful to have a guide like that to exist.
hero pauldrons to boost the smash damage in the rare cases you have a launched or even toppled enemy in chain attacks with lucky seven (since gravity blow does launch and smash) also capable hands those are the 2 main things you want, other skills like ultimate qiqong don’t work because it has its own set of skills. other accessories are up to you depending on what you’re fighting edit: Please don’t take this the wrong way, Enel may not do a Lucky Seven guide, so I listed stuff great for L7
One thing I found pretty annoying is that Starfall has a really long animation and because of that I miss topples much more often when using this class compared to using the Guardian Commander master art. Melia's Starlight Kick though has a decently fast animation and is much more reliable for toppling. I don't know why they made that decision and I tend to run this class for damage instead of combo for that reason, which is kind of a shame.
After finishing this series and having more time to play with the various classes, would you change any of your tier list placements at all? Also, where would you place Noponic Champion on that list?
its sad how disappointing royal summoner is in 3 melia is still my favorite character to play as in any xenoblade game because i love how the elemental summons works but that gimmick only really works with 1s battle UI
Gonna be honest I think this game is in the XCX category of tier lists may as well be irrelevant because you can one shot everything anyway and the content is too easy for it to matter because challenge mode is a joke
I agree with you. I feel like challenge mode has been disappointing which sucks because that's the thing I was looking forward to the most. I don't like that it's closer to DE's time attack because time attack is frankly terrible. The reason I like challenge mode in 2 is because it is pretty much exactly what I'm looking for in an rpg, I love when an rpg let's me go wild with tweaking party setup and going ham on a monster that is tailor made to take the abuse that I can throw out. Unfortunately, 2 is still the only game where the challenging enemies are actually beefy enough to take some punishment.
You should show off some joke builds like the Sharla overheat every time shulk gets a vision build, just builds that are funny and maybe useless but kinda funny
Royal Summoner is really unfortunate with how it works. I can see what they were going with trying to convert Melia's gameplay style into 3's format but them making summon element and every art having relatively long CDs just does not work. Melia's gameplay was the only way I enjoyed playing Xenoblade 1 so seeing its concept so poorly executed in 3 is disappointing.
I really do not like this class. You've got no control over your elements, not to mention that summon element is on a long cooldown, it pretty much can't charge its own talent art and relies on master arts in order to do so. I don't think it's a very good translation of what they were trying to emulate. I'll just stick to Incursor and Seraph.
Yeah they tried to translate Melia's playstyle from the first game over to the second game's art layout and it just doesn't work. The reason it worked in the first game was because you always had 8 arts available in battle but here you only have 3 not counting master arts, so there was no RNG involved with the elementals.
@@lemonfry26 not even just the 8 arts, Melia could perform decently well with just bolt and copy (obviously you would never get into a fight with just these two arts, but it illustrates my point). I wish this class was closer to what Melia had in XC1 where her main form of damage was spamming her talent art. I understand why Monolith didn't go that direction since it would pretty much be making unique mechanics for one class in particular, but as it stands this just doesn't feel like it belongs to Melia to me. I don't even particularly like playing as Melia even though she's by far the most technical character in XC1 which would normally be right up my alley. I just find this class to be a letdown.
@conorb.1901 Yeah very true I wish this class's talent art could be used like the first game and then the main arts could be different elemental summons.
Well, it’s a beast in Chain Attacks, specifically with Melia. Her Heroic Chain is guaranteed Amazing, plus if you save Discharge until the Ouroboros order it does monstrous damage. Outside of them, yes I agree it sucks why did they do this lmfao
@@catalyst539 except Ashera does the same thing with the benefit of never activating again thus removing her from the potential pool of reactivations. From a damage perspective, you want to limit how often you use your hero since they don't do anywhere close to as much damage as your party can. Seraph and Incursor also both just hit significantly harder during chain attacks (and everything else). I suppose it could be worse though. Could be Stalker or Yumsmith.
Just a heads up: using royal summoner arts summons a bonus elemental. If you watch the fight portion, you can see an element be summoned during Starfall. Also, when you have three elementals summoned and you summon an additional one, you will automatically discharge one of your old elementals (which counts towards the additive damage skill!). I tend to actually use Royal Summoner WITHOUT Elemental Discharge and just summon more elementals faster with other Royal Summoner arts and rely on the passive elemental discharge from summoning more than three.
cue Enel having to remake the guide upon finding out you don't need Summon Element or Elemental Discharge
@@superluigi6968 I had no idea you didn't have to use the art to get the damage bonus because the wording in this game is very poor LOL
@@EnelXC Yea so if you already have 3 elemental orbs around you and you use Summon Element, you'll discharge 2 orbs and get 80% increased damage.
I knew that first part, but not the second part. I thought the element just got rotated out of the queue and I lost it. So much is happening in fights! I never notice the damage numbers, I only notice the orbs above my head 😂
I’m so confused. Is it per elemental discharged, as in using Discharge with three elements gives you 120%? Or is it the actions themselves giving you the bonus, as in discharging 3 with Discharge and discharging 1 when using Starfall when full both give you 40%? I always thought it was the second one based on the wording.
OP seems to be right regardless. It eventually edges out in number of discharges because you never lose them. It also syngerizes with Glittering Melody/Troubadour’s dying recharge skill and even Nopon Strap/Dance of Barrages.
A place where it seems less clear cut is Chain Attacks though. But I’m not even sure what to do there.
Something I've found: Since Starfall has a long animation, linking it to an evasion art like Aerial Slash can actually be a really strong defensive option.
True, and Ring o' Roses can easily be run on a Troubadour, which you should be using anyways.
The notification for shulk playing among us murdered my focus on the build lol
I love using Noah's base outfit with this class. Combine the Ether Wings you get in battle with that base outfit and then Draw Lucky Seven, with Noah's Gauntlet, looks so badass, like a protagonist some sort of hyper awakened super powered activates.
4:22 Shulk playing amongus when the skill from the class inspired by him is talked about is too perfect
That has to be a meme Enel put in... right?
Huh?
Shirtless Noah jumpscare
The one piece is real.
I would had preferred Lanz.
Oh no not the Shirtless Noah devil I’m so scared11111111 😱
Idk what I do if a shirtless Noah pulled up to my spot with THREE LUCKY SEVENS!!! 😭
One of the funniest ways you can use Royal Summoner is actually as Master Skills on Seraph with a Shackle Ring. Element Genesis can hit some pretty chunky numbers (highest I got was like 1.5 million per hit). I didn't actually Play around with the class itself, so it's possible the damage could be even higher than the hybrid Seraph, since it gets a 400% additive damage boost.
I always found this class to be ok. There are some attackers that just better, but at least it doesn’t feel useless like Stalker, Yumsmith, and Machine Assassin
The cool thing about Element Genesis is that its damage bonus is multiplicative with almost everything else in the game. It's in the same part of the damage formula as Power Charge, so it can be used to dish out some absolutely MONSTROUS damage when used with three elemental stacks. I also like how all of the arts besides discharge will stack up at least one Elemental Orb, allowing for an 11 second rotation of art -> discharge -> other art -> discharge to stack up the 400% additive. In shorter fights I'll just run Dance of Barrages with a Nopon Strap and Shackle Ring to build up stacks as fast as possible and just use the Shackle Ring's independent multiplier so as to stack up damage in only a minute or so to then unload millions of damage per Genesis.
Just wanted to point out I think Summon Element can be a good master art on whoever's playing Lifesage because if you can get three Summon Earth elements up that's 15% damage reduction for the whole party that should stack with the Abundant Oceans skill reducing party damage by another 15% so together that should be a full 30% damage reduction which can be great to help non defenders survive powerful AoEs if you thought the 15% just from Abundant Oceans was significant.
I really wish it described somewhere in the tutorials for this class what each Elemental did, how you get them, and the mechanics around them. Even for a XC1 veteran, it was confusing.
Thank you Enel for all of your hard work making all of these guides.
And so the guides are complete, not counting the dlc of course. Thanks for these Enel, glad you made them!
Thank you for your hard work but that Shulk playing Among Us at 4:22 is just way too funny to me lol
Thanks Enel for back to back guides. I have learned so much from all of your guides.
Always enjoy all your guides. So glad you’re back.
Thanks for having make all those guides it's really help us.
2 guides back to back good job enel
These 2 thumbnails are so good! The meme boy is back. While I like Melia a lot, I just struggle with this class. The other damage classes are just so much easier, and L7 is just too broken to not focus on anyway. So, this class is cool and optimized can be very good, I just don't think it is worth it
These classe guides have been really helpful! Let's hope wave 3 drops sometime soon!
Lets hope wave 3 will at least match xc2 challenge mode content cos right now its basically a slightly better xc1 time attack which is hugely disappointing (i say this xc1 being my favourite)
@@neonblackbeast7243 it's a real shame too, I was really looking forward to challenge mode because 2's is so damn good, only for it to pretty much just be a minorly improved time attack, a feature I was also looking forward to and was sorely disappointed by. At least in 3 party comps are very flexible as opposed to 1 where Shulk/Dunban/Reyn are the answer to 95% of all problems.
I just wanted to say, thanks for all the guides Enel! You were super helpful as I played through the game and I really enjoyed this game that much more because of it. 3 has my favorite gameplay across the entire Xeno series and while it may not have quite as much depth and variety as 2 has, I think the most fun gameplay in this game is a lot more accessible than it was in 2, if that makes sense? Like, 2 has a lot of knowledge and prep you need to have prior to doing fights that can make getting into the real postgame stuff a bit of a hurdle, but it was way easier to get into the mechanics in 3.
I’m so happy you are coming back to finish up these last two classes, Enel! I had my own builds but your guide really helped me change some things around to improve the template I had! ❤
Thank you Enel for all of the guides. They were all helpful.
Great video enel keep it up glad the guides are flowing out now
I love the thumbnails you make so much. This one is by far my favorite and gave me a nice chuckle
You are back!!!
This guide is the genuine article.
I find the class is a really strong off-support primarily using Nopon Strap and Dance of Barrages to quickly build up the multiplier and Ring o' Roses to make up for when the refresh doesn't proc. Being able to spam Shadow Stitch allows you to use pretty much any talent art since it'll fill very rapidly, and if Summon Element refreshes while Elemental Discharge doesn't, the old orbs just get discharged and you're basically guaranteed 3 discharges on Elemental Discharge/Genesis next time they're used
I use Noah for his natural dexterity (alternate abilities listed as most/least commonly used):
Arts: Summon Element, Elemental Discharge, Shadow Stitch, Ring o' Roses, Night Hunt/Aureole, No Love Lost/Resonant Flag/Mighty Beat/Jackal Claw/Tri-Slash/Overfall
Element Genesis/Violent Streak/Glittering Melody/Cry of Faith/Saber Strike
Skills: Dance of Barrages, Eye for Weak Points, Covert Attack/Sappy-Sappy Drain!
Gems: Empowered Combo, Analyze Weakness, Refined Blessing/Disperse Bloodlust/Refined Incantation
Accessories: Nopon Strap, Thermo Headgear/Shackle Ring, Lunae Rings/Accomplished Hairpiece/Chaotic Memory/Accomplished Vambraces
Notes: No Love Lost and Resonant Flag are my most commonly used as they help my tanks maintain aggro since Phys Def. Down is surprisingly easy to inflict, then depending on the fight, I'll lean more towards support if my tanks struggle to survive or keep aggro. Best case scenario is Mio and the healers are proficient enough to allow Noah to just crank out damage (including Blaze/Toxin) with little worry. Only against lv200 Seraphic Ceratinia did i ever resort to Deflector Field and/or a Plate Belt to stay afloat and Smithy Gloves in place of a damage boost
Realistically, I don't use Royal Summoner because it's better than other classes (it's not), I just use it because I like Melia and sometimes things will line up so I get huge Smashes
Okay... Learning that overcapping the elementals actually counts towards the additive changes things drastically (learned from the pinned comment). That means once you have three elementals up, you get a 40% boost with every Royal Summoner Art you use. Gonna have to try this out myself.
the biggest thing that i think is vary much needed to know is that it appears all other royal summoner skills minus discharge creates a elemental, with summon element giving 2. this explains why discharge is much shorter because it askes to rotate other arts to create it.
straight up if i didnt look at the comments i wouldnt of looked directly closer into it and thought the only way to summon elements was through the only art it self.
Bird Lady still got the short end the stick, but at least she makes for a great Hero and can pull of the kick… in a Chain Order.
Thanks for all the class guides Enel! It's been a big help throughout my playthrough! As for this class, I really like it, and I tried to make it work, but it just doesn't hold up as well compared to other attack classes. Regardless, I still enjoy using it, and the hero is still very solid!
I have done a bit of testing and this is what I found.
1) using elemental discharge without elements does not give a damage boost.
2) elemental discharge creates no elements, summon element produces 2 elements and every other rs art produces 1
3)if you create more than 3 elements elements will be discharged down to three and you will trigger the damage boost.
4) it does not matter how many elements you discharge you will only trigger the damage boost once (for example if you have 3 elements and use elemental discharge your damage would increase by 40% not 120%)
5) element genesis does not proc the damage increase.
6) with 3 elements up elemental genesis does about double damage.
7) you lose the damage boost if you die.
All of this sounds like Elemental Discharge is more of a detriment than anything until you've capped the damage bonus.
Adding to the pinned comment, because of the additional elements being summoned I like running the nopon strap and the skill that does the same thing, being able to spam arts can increase the damage multiplier way faster. It is an rng heavy strategy however it’s also really fun
I absolutely love her class just wish the Summon Element art would be at least 11s of recharge.
Y'know, I'm really looking forward to the day when all the DLC for the game has been released so we can play through all the content in one playthrough.
I laughed a little too hard at the friend pop up during the class skills section of Shulk playing Among Us
You should do a video on unlimited sword itself so we could all all the hidden values and datamined info in one place
Look!!! It’s it a bird?!! No it’s a plane!! It’s a bird lady?
No…no it’s just a bird.
Good spoiler hiding image btw, really nice. You’re on fleek with the “spoiler” from yesterday and now this.
It's an half hight entia !
@@famillesabot5719
*starts playing Brilliant Wings like the Superman theme as she flies through the air*
Technically she can fly. Well…levitate a bit. …tsk tsk! such trivial technicalities!
@@trazomguy6022
she can’t fly with her headwings
@@catalyst539 she has her light wing things.
@@trazomguy6022
those are cosmetic bc the ouroboros characters also get them when wearing the Royal Summoner Class
Back at it again with the great thumbnails
Was so disappointed with what they did to this class. Melia was my favorite character to use in the entire series cause I love the crazy dot damage you can easily rack up, and it's just terrible now.
Noah gets the Protagonist powers: Has the best unique Talent Art in the game and gets Class inheritance one of the post game classes and DLC.
Also, at least Royal Summoner is better than Stalker. Right?
Right…?
No don't worry it's not that bad... Exept the art cool down
Instead of Covert Arts, I personally run the Frenzied Combo skill. It helps out a lot with the slow cooldown of the class. I also pair the class up with Zephyr and Lifesage. Even when art spamming Zephyr still has a relatively good chance of keeping/getting back aggro. On the chance I do gain aggro, Lifesage makes me pretty unkillable, and at the very least buys Zephyr enough time to regain aggro.
Good work Enel, I just watch these for fun since I just find it interesting. I play very unoptimally ;>
I Love this Class solely for Starlight kick & Starfall.
Great thumbnail btw.
Bird Lady Melly!
I like using a Signifer and Troubadour, both with Glittering Melody. It can get the class's arts up much more and has helped me do some pretty powerful damage.
I've really enjoyed these class videos. I wish I'd found your channel before I was 3/4 of the way through the whole Xenoblade series (I picked it up for the first time a few months ago.) Have a blessed day, yourself!
I went hard into extra recharge effects for this class because I wanted to be able to use the elemental arts as often as possible. I have Nopon Strap, Dance of Barrages and the standard boosted recharge when the defender isn't targeted in addition to Ring of Roses. Works out pretty well, but even then, this class doesn't have the best of damage especially at the start of battle
Finally, the best xenoblade character's class!
I still cant get over Melia hero quest cutscene
I could maybe see this class being good in a tankless evasion team build, being able to utilize protector’s pride, but you have to be playing as the evasion attacker for that team to work so you’d never really get to use it anyways.
Now you gotta make a video with your favorite party!
7:29 doesn't Power Effect have a situational use when grinding cp to max class ranks, or simply ending challenge battles quickly by using Capable Hands as a skill and Unlimited Sword (Lucky 7) as a talent art? Who cares about taking damage when you can do enough damage fast enough within the invincibility buff duration?
I honestly just use Royal Summoner and Life Sage for the alternate combat music more often than not. Those new renditions are refreshing after hours of the same battle themes.
I literally only just now noticed how the menu bounces around a bit lol. (0:30)
I was wondering if you could do like a team build comp. Other than that thank you for everything you're guides helped me alot with the super boss on hard!!!
I really like her in chain attacks, but Ashera is still better because you don’t want to have to click your hero multiple times
*Ashera
*☝️is not better
*You do want to use your hero multiple times (if it’s melia that is)
*Her Completion Bonus is better, being the same as Eunie’s
*But really Fiona is the best
@@catalyst539why are you like this?
@@TimothyGod
Honestly, don’t know.
That was before Future Redeemed or even Masha released and my opinions have changed since then. I’m keeping the comment up because it reflects my thoughts at the time.
@@catalyst539 fair
I just wish the cool downs on this class weren't so long.
I saw a bird in the thumbnail and was real curious what graphical update DLC i missed
The class’ Hero does better damage than Noah with the class.
Because the Hero has an additional art, which also has a topple effect. Except unlike Starfall it’s physical, meaning in Chain Attacks it can take advantage of Taion’s order.
Edit: Also the hero’s Heroic Chain is the best one for consistent Amazings every round (unless if she isn’t reactivated)
I feel like this is the class you don't equip damage accessories with since it has enough built-in damage buffs and just stack your art cooldown accessories so you get to use them more often given their super long cooldowns.
Hey Enel, could I give you a video suggestion? I'd like to know more about how the AI can handle various jobs in the game and which jobs one might use for a party member who will be primarily AI controlled. Are there any variations in skills/gear you would make when you know the character will mostly be handled by the AI? I'm asking because in many of your videos, there are indications that you know quite a bit about the Xenoblade AI mechanics.
The real benefit of this class is, that other DPS classes like seraph can use elemental genesis xD
If they just made elemental discharge like 5-6 seconds shorter cooldown this class would be SO MUCH better. Real disappointment since Melia was my favourite in XC1, I also feel like the 3 art set is quite punishing since all 5 of her arts are good but you absolutely NEED 2 of them to make the classes unique gimmick work.
The rare case where the hero is far superior to the class you can inherit
I use power effect with other buffs and cover art to reduce the aggro
XC3 Spoilers so don’t look at this if you didn’t beat it
I was kinda disappointed that there were only like 3 elements to summon. Maybe there could have been some gimmick like Soulhacker to make the Fusion Arts be old XC1 Melia Arts that give you the other elements like Wind, Bolt, and Ice.
I know there really isn't a way around it with having 200 party members to display, but does the zoom out in this game bug anyone else? It is like you are fighting with an ant colony and can barely see anything they are actually doing. It makes me feel very disconnected from the characters. Also how isn't Eunie the S rank?????? All that aside, love the video!
this is 11 months late but you know you can zoom in the camera right
I'm curious now that so much time has passed and the guides are done, what do you think of xc3 compared to xc2?
Making a video on this hopefully in the next few days
I just wish this class was anywhere near as fun to play as XC1 Melia
Can I make a request, is it possible to you to create a guide on how to grind noponstones in this game. With the ability to purchase nopon coins in challenge mode, and the ability to raise your class levels, I feel it could be very helpful to have a guide like that to exist.
Can you do an unlimited sword guide? I'm curious how to use it optimally on Noah
hero pauldrons to boost the smash damage in the rare cases you have a launched or even toppled enemy in chain attacks with lucky seven (since gravity blow does launch and smash)
also capable hands
those are the 2 main things you want, other skills like ultimate qiqong don’t work because it has its own set of skills.
other accessories are up to you depending on what you’re fighting
edit: Please don’t take this the wrong way, Enel may not do a Lucky Seven guide, so I listed stuff great for L7
They need to add an ether equivalent to ultimate quigoing to make this class (and others) better
It doesn’t make sense that summon is twice as slow as discharge, why not the other way around?
I mixed fusion arts from this class with Incursor and its pretty dope.
Had no idea this dlc had even happened.
this is part of the base game, no dlc required
The holy spirit guide😂
One thing I found pretty annoying is that Starfall has a really long animation and because of that I miss topples much more often when using this class compared to using the Guardian Commander master art. Melia's Starlight Kick though has a decently fast animation and is much more reliable for toppling. I don't know why they made that decision and I tend to run this class for damage instead of combo for that reason, which is kind of a shame.
Starlight Kick is an art only Melia knows
@@catalyst539right, he's saying there's no excuse the normal art is so damn slow
After finishing this series and having more time to play with the various classes, would you change any of your tier list placements at all? Also, where would you place Noponic Champion on that list?
I will make a new tier list most likely after the next dlc class
Starlight Kick. HaHA!!!
What do you think about running nopon strap and barrage for the 22%
Instant recharge chance?
I feel like you lose out on damage this way even if you could charge the additive slightly faster.
Bro these thumbnails 💀
Seems to me Fortified Ether Boost is meant to be mastered and then given to a Defender class.
Speaking of Ultimate qigong is it still good? I think they changed something about it, it's been a while.
they didnt change it, just the description to make it make more sense
@@EnelXC k. Thank you.
Game doesnt want to let me unlock the ascension quest with all the requirements, anybody have any tips?
I completely forgot about this game lol
Frenzied Combo?
I gess it's a bird...lady the no spoil thumbnail
its sad how disappointing royal summoner is in 3
melia is still my favorite character to play as in any xenoblade game because i love how the elemental summons works but that gimmick only really works with 1s battle UI
Um I am new to xenoblade 3
I have played previous games but how do u get your arts it instantly recharge
The problem is that Incursor would deal damage cap where this class is getting 4 mil. Also, SHULK PLAYING AMONG US
swordfighter also does damage cap with mighty beat on air slash in chain attack last round with hero pauldrons equipped
lucky seven can do the same
@@catalyst539 yeah but incursor does it without smash...
Dumb question: does auto attack affect how much damage arts do, like in xenoblade 2? Or have they been separated?
It's Xeno1-style auto attacks, they only have one step, and canceling only adds to damage if the Empowered Combo gem is equipped.
and, trobadour shenanigans are the only way to charge arts faster?
one of the major ways atleast
@@EnelXC that sounds unfortunate
@@robertomacetti7069
there’s also nopon strap
Birb up
Gonna be honest I think this game is in the XCX category of tier lists may as well be irrelevant because you can one shot everything anyway and the content is too easy for it to matter because challenge mode is a joke
I just realized that this isn't the tier list video oops
I agree with you. I feel like challenge mode has been disappointing which sucks because that's the thing I was looking forward to the most. I don't like that it's closer to DE's time attack because time attack is frankly terrible. The reason I like challenge mode in 2 is because it is pretty much exactly what I'm looking for in an rpg, I love when an rpg let's me go wild with tweaking party setup and going ham on a monster that is tailor made to take the abuse that I can throw out. Unfortunately, 2 is still the only game where the challenging enemies are actually beefy enough to take some punishment.
You should show off some joke builds like the Sharla overheat every time shulk gets a vision build, just builds that are funny and maybe useless but kinda funny
Me 30 sec in: poor melia 😔
Royal Summoner is really unfortunate with how it works. I can see what they were going with trying to convert Melia's gameplay style into 3's format but them making summon element and every art having relatively long CDs just does not work. Melia's gameplay was the only way I enjoyed playing Xenoblade 1 so seeing its concept so poorly executed in 3 is disappointing.
4:20 sus
CAW CAW
I really do not like this class. You've got no control over your elements, not to mention that summon element is on a long cooldown, it pretty much can't charge its own talent art and relies on master arts in order to do so. I don't think it's a very good translation of what they were trying to emulate. I'll just stick to Incursor and Seraph.
Yeah they tried to translate Melia's playstyle from the first game over to the second game's art layout and it just doesn't work.
The reason it worked in the first game was because you always had 8 arts available in battle but here you only have 3 not counting master arts, so there was no RNG involved with the elementals.
@@lemonfry26 not even just the 8 arts, Melia could perform decently well with just bolt and copy (obviously you would never get into a fight with just these two arts, but it illustrates my point). I wish this class was closer to what Melia had in XC1 where her main form of damage was spamming her talent art. I understand why Monolith didn't go that direction since it would pretty much be making unique mechanics for one class in particular, but as it stands this just doesn't feel like it belongs to Melia to me. I don't even particularly like playing as Melia even though she's by far the most technical character in XC1 which would normally be right up my alley. I just find this class to be a letdown.
@conorb.1901 Yeah very true I wish this class's talent art could be used like the first game and then the main arts could be different elemental summons.
Well, it’s a beast in Chain Attacks, specifically with Melia. Her Heroic Chain is guaranteed Amazing, plus if you save Discharge until the Ouroboros order it does monstrous damage.
Outside of them, yes I agree it sucks why did they do this lmfao
@@catalyst539 except Ashera does the same thing with the benefit of never activating again thus removing her from the potential pool of reactivations. From a damage perspective, you want to limit how often you use your hero since they don't do anywhere close to as much damage as your party can. Seraph and Incursor also both just hit significantly harder during chain attacks (and everything else).
I suppose it could be worse though. Could be Stalker or Yumsmith.