Exploring Plumbers Don't Wear Ties - The True Story & History Behind the Notorious Game
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- Good Bad Flicks tells the history of the notorious "Worst Game of All Time" Plumbers Don't Wear Ties. Directed by Micheal Anderson.
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When James Rolfe in his Nerdsona said “This isn’t a game! This is like some kind of weird college experiment!!” it turns out he was not far from hitting the nail on the head.
It was an experiment! A mad experiment put together by some mad scientist during a time when video game developers were being experimental with budding CD technology.
Funny how years later the once forgotten legacy of Plumbers Don’t Wear Ties will now be available on far more successful platforms than the 3DO.
In a way, totally true
This is the most unexpectedly wholesome gaming story I’ve ever heard.
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Yeah: despite the infamous “Take your damn clothes off!!” line!
But this was 1993. During a time when most everyone had something sorely lacking these days: a sense of humor!
Really puts AaA loot pirates in their place...
@shenloken2 well he's talking about the making of the game, not the game's content.
@@doctorfeinstone6524 Your both right, they just lost the sense of humor/easter eggs when games started going out never finished. Us consumers are do deprived that any finished game looks like a masterpiece!
Years ago I made a short movie that was a hunk of junk. When I was finished with the editing, I called the main actresses and let them know they could download the video and watch it. One of them was shocked. I asked her why and she said, "I've been in about twenty short movies over the last few years, and only two have been completed."
So kudos to this guy for starting and finishing his game. It's much more work than people think.
So true. I've been involved in a bunch of projects and the majority of them never even come close to being finished.
@@GoodBadFlicks- I would love to see some of them.
It sounds like they had a lot of fun making this game. This was a surprisingly heartwarming story.
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Plumbers Don't Wear Ties benefits from what I like to call "The Travolta Effect." Basically, if you got folks who are having a good time making a movie/game, then regardless of the objective quality, that transmits to the player, and they're going to have fun too.
Thats a great way to look at it!
or show! like the english dub of ghost stories!
"Exploring" has always been one of the most unique series on TH-cam. So many channels cover infamous/bad movies and games and it's clear that their "research" consists of reading a Wikipedia article and maybe the first few results they saw on Google, and ultimately viewers are left feeling hollow because they didn't learn anything new. You're one of the few creators that puts effort into actual research about these niche topics, and it's very much appreciated.
Thank you, that really means a lot. I try to get as much as possible whenever I do these and it causes many headaches. So when I hear its appreciated, it makes it all worth it.
@@GoodBadFlicksI only watch you and Critical Drinker. You are #1 though 👍
:)
GoodBadFlicks is in my top 5.
I agree with him Cecil, your stuff has always, ever since I discovered this channel in college, been one of my personal favorites to watch. It's very obvious that you put a lot of time and effort into your videos and I've learned so much about very obscure media because of you, so thank you for that. By the way, I always had the slightest suspicion that this game was meant to be intentionally bad because some of the dialogue in the game really seemed to be pointing that out and now, because of you, I know that my suspicions were well founded.@@GoodBadFlicks
I always like hearing about projects where everyone had a good time making it, no matter the quality.
No DLC, no microtransactions, no day 1 update, no mandatory online check. The pinnacle of entertainment hands down
I'm really happy to hear the actress who played Jane is thriving!
She is as happy as ever. Still beautiful too.
Great wheels too. 😁
This was wholesome, thanks for telling these stories.
We(the includes me) often complain about generic big budget productions, yet are so quick to shoot down fun experiments.
Thanks!
This documentary needs to be included in the bonus features for the re-release along with the AVGN episode about the game.
I told them they have my permission do include it.
I've had the quote "take your damn clothes off!" By the boss stuck in my head recently 😄 🤣
I say this every now and then and no one else gets the reference
What a pervert!
It's one of thoes games you gotta play at least once. It's such a bizarre and fun experience, and there's much more craziness that James didn't show in his review. Can't wait for the re-release.
Some play throughs have been uploaded in recent years. I watched one in 2020 which was advertised as 60 frames per second. Your guess is as good as mine.
I don’t think I’ve ever clicked on one of your videos so fast
:)
The great thing with low budget productions like this is that somewhere, someone will love it and it will mean something to them because of memories of that time. I've worked on numerous shorts and all but forgotten about them and every now and then I overhear someone talking about one of them, especially at film festivals or places where they were shot and I think "wow, that person is talking about something I help make.".....Great video Cecil.👍
Thank you!
I wanted a super Nintendo so bad when I was young. One day my dad showed up with a goldstar 3DO system. I was not thrilled, but he was so excited for the new technology. Once we had it set up I was thrilled, I had a new system that even took CDs! I ended up loving that system. They did so many cool things ( like how you could daisy chain the remotes together to get multiple players ) and so many great games. PO'ed, return fire, Wing Commander, and even PDWT. I can remember playing this game so many times just to see every ending possible. I'm sure I was too young to be playing it, but it's seared into my brain. Good times
I didn't have a good PC back then but had a 3DO and its where I played Wing Commander 3-4. Talk about amazing stuff back then.
Your dad must have regretted throwing $700 on a 3D0 in 94.
@@BulkBogan1920 I came around very quickly. It was awesome, but pricey. I had no idea at the time.
The 3do sucked. Let's be real. We all know that. Still, there's a small place in our heart for it because of nostalgia. How many of us wanted a system so bad and for one reason or another got our hands on a... 3do? Damnit.
Good times.
I actually admire Mike, having heard this story. Using his money just to 'experiment', knowing up front he wasn't going to spend enough money to make even a decent game. He knew (or at least figured) he wasn't going to get any kind of reasonable ROI, yet he plowed forward full steam, just for the sake of doing it, and injected crazy, good natured ridiculousness in the process! What a gem.
This game was featured in my favorite episode of The Angry videogame nerd. It's getting a re-release this year and I'm going to buy it just to check it out.
I love a good story that has a chance of it all ending sadly, but then coming back because of one person. In my eyes, the one Redditor who picked it up from the one library (and basically made this all possible) is just as important as Micheal Anderson. I say thank you to that kind soul.
We did it, Reddit!
I fell In love with your normal “GoodBadFlicks” videos first and quickly started looking forward to the “forgotten shows/films” series too but man the effort and amount of research you put into these videos is on another level. As I’m sure many of your subscribers do, I also follow the other main so bad it’s good film reviewers or whatever they consider themselves, but your detail is just on another level. You can’t know just how much I appreciate (and I’m sure others do to) the work and time you put into these. If I’m in a good mood it’s a bonus but the days when I’m really struggling as I’m a navy veteran who became an addict, now over a decade clean, but I still struggle with depression and on the bad days when I watch your videos like this it just totally can flip my mood. So thank you from the bottom of my heart man!
Thank you so much for the kind words. I put a lot of heart and soul into each video and so it makes me really glad to see it has an impact for good. Thank you for your service, good on you for being able to stay clean. I will continue to make the best stuff I can for awesome people like you to enjoy. You are so very welcome :)
I first heard about the game when I was in high-school. I was looking up about Adult games after an episode of X-Play on G4 and came across this and, with the very little information I could find, just moved on... then the AVGN episode came out a few years later and I was laughing my ass off just remembering what little I learned about the game back then.
I'm glad you got to do something you've been so eager to do! I get that this is an experimental game, and for that, I applaud it. Without experimental projects that fail, we wouldn't have experimental projects that succeed. It deserves to be remembered. It's kind of wild, though, that we're at the point where a TH-cam video looking at something from the past can attribute part of that history to another TH-cam video.
I think the game would still have its fans but I don't think it would be getting the remaster without James' video
I had never heard of Plumbers don’t ware ties. Even in deep dive videos about the 3d0. Man, I’m glad there’s people like you who plumb the deepest depths of pop culture for stuff like this. I love this show, and I love this channel. Your really doing the lords work with this one. Lol. Cheers.
Thank you so much! I happy there is an audience who wants to see this kind of stuff. :)
It’s funny that all the things James Rolfe complained about in the game were intentional!
Fun Fact: There was even a 25th Anniversary DVD/Blu-Ray version i found completely by accident browsing internet archive a couple of years back, closest i'll get to a physical copy of this funny american visual novel.
This reminds me of when Night Trap came back into the spotlight and got rereleased on multiple platforms. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
My hat off to you sir. As much as people can rip on a movie, game, whatever, you find the charm in it. An honestly good trait to have.
Thank you! Some call it madness but I'm quite happy lol
The history of Time travel is a good one also. I don’t know if it’s overlooked or not. It was on prime for a while.
I worked at Babbage's part time after school when this title released. I always wondered where the hell it came from, what its deal was. Now after roughly 30 years, I know.
Glad to be able to answer a forgotten question :)
I remember seeing this when Ihad a 3DO. It was baffling that such low quality was available in a mall store. I never played it and thought it had to be a joke.
as terrible as the game was, the fact that it had a lasting impact that reverberates to this day is a huge accomplishment…
and like last video, your series are great: keep them up, you’ll never run out of material with these unique series
Thanks!
Yeah, but 80% of that reverberation was due to AVGN spotlighting it, who was one of the hottest TH-camrs during the early days of TH-cam. And it was during "Season 4", one of AVGN's Top 2 "Seasons" of releases, filled with tons of classic episodes.
20/10 content. I was stoked when you said you were doing an Exploring on the game. I knew it would be the most in depth content on the game possible. Cecil is the gaming historian we all need.
Thank you so much!
30/10 😎
This was a pleasant surprise.
I’ve been wanting to play this game since I was a little kid and saw the ad in a magazine (Gamefan or EGM).
AVGN’s episode on this game is one of my favorites from his nearly 20 year history.
Looking forward to playing this when LRG releases it in 2029 😂
I remember when James covered this and really gave it more attention than it ever had. It was crazy.
Agreed, the game would not have its fame if it wasn’t for James. I’m gonna assume you are gonna grab the definitive version shortly? 😊
Yep.
I'll take any story of a lost work that includes the sentence "the actors were well paid".
So many channels have popped up talking about movies over the past few years, but Cecil, you still have one of the best on TH-cam. This video was very interesting and well-researched.
Thank you so much! I'm just over here doing my best :)
I worked w the porting team at Kirin. We were all still students (high school & college) and thought it would be cool to work on a 3DO console. I moved on to big tech (Oracle, Peoplesoft) and the guys went on to Cartoon Network and EA Games.
Hey! I'd like to ask you some questions. If you can send me an email cecil (@) goodbadflicks (dot) com. Thanks!
@@GoodBadFlickswill do. I'm a big fan of your channel!
As the guy trying to be the resident expert on Saved By the Bell, I'll say that Jeanne Basone's appearance on SBTB was uncredited. She's gets some quick bits of screen time in one of the Malibu Sands episodes and looks just as good as you think she would.
And fantastic job on a great topic. You are the gold standard when it comes to informational entertainment.
Thank you so much!
This video answers EVERYTHING as to why the game turned into what it is. I love AVGN's video on it. Thanks GoodBad!
You are welcome!
I’ve seen the Avgn and now here. Great
Same.
This is going to be a hit, everybody loves the avgn episode and want to know the crazyness behind the game!
I sure hope so
I had head about this game but never knew any of the story behind it, or even how hated it was by so many. Ironically, the "Take your damn clothes off!" line I only recognized because fellow YTer Razorfist uses it as a chat notification during his streams
LOL that line is the best, I had to put it in there at the end. :)
I wonder how shocked they were to find out that the 3DO version sells for 300+ CIB and over 800 NIB.. lol
You really do put together some great documentary material. Almost time to re-watch some history about 80s slashers! :)
Thanks, all
Thank you!
Not going to lie this sounds fun as hell.
Just 10-20 people having fun making something silly.
Wow, I never even HEARD of this one! Now I want to check it out. Thanks for the video .
You are welcome!
Usually, horrible videogames' backstories are also a nightmare. Then there's this one- creator does for a goof. For some reason, had it released on 2 platforms, completed, and people who worked on it had fun.
Seeing this pop up on my front page I was thinking I had already watched this. Then I remembered that I had watched AVGN's video awhile back! lol I am glad you got to showcase this "game" in you own style and got to dig a bit deeper into how this thing came to be and why it's a cult classic today.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I didn't expect this channel to give the backstory of this game, but it is welcome
I've been working on this for quite some time
Never would have expected this one here
Expect the unexpectable!
Met Jeanne at a wrestling show back in 2013-2014 and brought this up. She smiled and told me she was happy that fans were bringing it up to her.
She was really cool about it when I spoke to her. She enjoyed her time working on it and is glad that it still has an audience.
Plumbers Don't Wear Ties looks and feels like a movie you'd see on late night cable back in the 90s but in video game form. I'm sure I'm not the only one who got that vibe.
Classic Good bad flicks. This was so much fun, thank you for another hit
Glad you enjoyed it Thanks for watching!
See, that's fun. I've played (and even enjoyed) a whole bunch of old bad games before (most recently it was Tender Loving Care), but it's rare that one is deliberately and joyfully designed that way for fun. It makes the player happy and that has a high value in this day and age.
In art there really is something that causes the joy of the making of to come through in the finished product.
Great job on the video, Cecil. So glad that you were able to get one of your personal projects done. All I knew about the game was the AVGN episode, which is still in my playlist of favorites AVGN episodes. I once made the claim to friends that Plumbers Don't Wear Ties was the funniest episode of AVGN. So far, none of my friends have argued the point.
If, and I only say if, one of your other special projects is the interactive movie game "Tender Loving Care", me and my friends will hit the ceiling with joy.
Thank you! This one is a big one for me, so happy to do it.
I love these deep dive type videos. Keep up the great work man! 😄
Thanks! Will do!
Plumbers don’t wear ties is the gold standard for one of the worst games ever made. It’s bad in a way that is so good where fans begun to appreciate it just how Tommy Wisceau directed The Room which is considered the worst movie of all time but gain notoriety for the fans to love it!
Its magical.
Great story! Thanks for sharing and thanks for your continued efforts. You're always making top notch videos.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
It’s ironic how lowering the barrier to make content didn’t lead to a greater variety for smaller, more fringe groups, but instead made everything more mainstream now.
Seems like everyone is just aiming to go viral and copy each other. While mainstream/hollywood content all feel the same.
Haven’t seen another “kevjumba” or “bo burnham” type channel on youtube, or “half baked” type of movie.
I had no idea this existed. Now I'm beginning to think Sutter Kane needs to start writing that final novel of his.
LOL!
My favorite part of this story is how Mike Anderson didn’t care when it was over. No ego attached, no concern about the reaction. He had fun and moved on. Good for him.
Yup. He's a really unique dude.
A game that was made and developed just for experimental fun.
Wished we had more games like that.
Amen!
…most indie games are like that, but add in the money they’re going to make adding onto it
Yeah but when you start charging people for your experimental fun like its a real game, its kinda shady.
3:14 Sewer Shark is burned into my memory. I'd recognize it about anywhere.
When I saw this title again after so many years I instantly thought; “Oh my god, this could be very well the grandfather of goofy visual novels” and your commentary at the end solidified my thoughts exactly. I love it when people have fun with any media production even if the final product is goofy as heck. In rare cases, the goofy product gets a cult status and that’s how we also got the now legendary official English dub of Ghost Stories.
Great video, I had the biggest grin watching the story unfold.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
I love and admire the spirit behind doing something like this. Just grabbing a video camera and just doing it regardless!!! 👍😊. Maybe its fun spontaneity is what made its formula so appealing, and lasting?! Never seen, or heard of this one before?! But… RE-MAKE! RE-MAKE! 😂👍. I thought that NIGHT TRAP was the MOST “Notorious” game ever made though? Or at least the most controversial anyway? 🤔
Night Trap might be better known.
Love that your first image for Glendale is of part of the Americana, which was built more than a decade later. (Really, since I’m like 2 miles from there, it was nice to see it.)
This could have been the best crossover with Angry Video Game Nerd
Side note. The Library at Ball State University, was designed to look like books.
I was wondering why! Another mystery solved!
I remember years ago, someone put this game on TH-cam, to play! Someone just uploaded every scene in a playlist. You just watched the scenes and followed the links at the end, and it would go forward or backward. I spent a few hours playing it on here, and saw what might be my favorite comment under one of the most repeated videos in the playlist:
"Is this hell?"
For some reason I love the rare offshoots of the Exploring series that covers videogames. Furthermore, I love that this was something special to you Cecil and not just a random game to make a video on.
Unfortunately I never got to play it and I only learned about it from James AVGN episode. But I miss the time when developers use to experiment like this. The technology just wasn't there yet and developers were at their most ingenuitive in finding ways of jumping a head, resulting in FMV and digitised graphics. Sure they weren't perfect but they definitely had their charm. Looking at today we have consoles as powerful as todays computers and most of the AAA games all look the same, with indie devs being the only experimentals.
Thanks for this video Cecil, it was a real treat. The critics absolutely missed the point of this game. It's not the production value that has made this game what it is today. It's the fun and personality that went into this game that makes it so special.
Thanks! This meant a lot to me and I'm really happy to see that its resonating with people. I agree, I miss the days when we had wacky innovations. Now, we have these amazing looking games but they are all the same. All the computing power and none of the imagination.
Part and parcel for the 3do at the time. From the guy in Need for Speed (last I heard he worked as a car dealer) to video boardgames like Twisted, there was just so much weirdness that couldn't be had on more established consoles (especially if you didn't have the money for a PC).
Sure, a lot of it was crap, but it was crap that opened your eyes to the possibilities (SGF's LPs of FMV games have been a riot).
AVGN did a great video on this "game" It just goes to show you how practically anything could be released on the 3DO back in the day even if it's complete garbage
3DO was trying to get as much on there as they could to compete. This kind of worked both for and against them.
So happy to see this. I discovered this channel while pursuing my love for Digital Pictures and found the Sewer Shark review. Since then, I kept hoping for a return of Good Bad Games for years now. Thanks for this.
You are welcome! The games stuff takes longer and usually doesn't do as well here, which is why I only do it once it a while. I'd love to do it more but the algorithm prevents it.
16:25 That's not possible sir. I don't know if you've heard, but plumbers, in fact, do not wear ties.
:)
I always appreciate how you take a look at this type of media with the focus on the reality of the people involved with making it and not with the intention to dunk on it. This channel has always been great at this, the content is always fun to watch without ever needing to go in on a movie that's probably already received it's fair share of vitriol. It's always refreshing to see and again, very much appreciated!
Hope one of these days we get to see GoodBadFlicks cover a movie called They Look Like People. It's a real dime!
Thank you! I really love being able to tell the stories of entertainment that is different from the rest.
They Look Like People is so good! A great little indie film that knocked me over when I saw it. If I can get a hold of the director, I'd love to do a video on it
@@GoodBadFlicks It's my pleasure! You always do such a great job with that and it's always a blast to watch.
That'd be awesome! Here's hoping you get up with him sometime, it'd be great to see that movie get the GBF treatment!
Your channel is one that I always look forward to. Not only is your stuff hilarious, but you put a lot of heart and work into finding the people who worked on the game/movie/show so they can dish info that doesn't show up on Wikipedia. I tip my hat (and tie) off to you, dear Sir!
Thank you so much! I'm doing my best over here :)
This is the best example of “if you build it they will come.” This was literally just for fun.
Yup. He just wanted to see if he could do it and he did.
Honestly I wouldn’t be against a sequel/remake where they actually create real video footage. Could actually be funny.
Everyone has that one movie, TV show, game book or whatever that's a guilty bad good thing they like.
Hah..... at 5:17 in the video--that's the old fountain at the Music Center plaza in downtown LA (same with the columns at 7:08). I used to work there and it was nice to see it even if for a moment.
dude.. the way you dig up information on obscure media is seriously incredible.. i spent 3 months trying to find out who owned the rights to 3DO's army men franchise lol
I am persistant in my digging. ^^
Limited Run? I'm sold! I love when companies take principled stands and bigots face consequences for their actions.
TBF James ripping the game a new one was all part of his comedy act. It was a very good subject for his channel. Unlike the serious games reviewers, James was having as much fun as the game makers.
Oh I know, there are others who took it way more seriously.
Yup, people often forget that AVGN is just an acting role played for entertainment and that James Rolfe is actually a totally different guy. Also, people who met James personally said that he is a really nice, cool guy in real life.
@@torstenscholz6243 Yeah you can tell when he's on camera as 'himself'. The Nerd however is as angry as his name. I think people get confused as the Nerd is also called James. It might have helped if he'd done what Brad Jones did, and have his character Cinema Snob not be him, but be called Craig Golightly.
Cecil, I'm super happy that you got to this "holy grail" episode!
Thanks! So am I :)
I love your research, much historical value there is
Thank you!
Right when I thought I had forgotten about this you bring it back lol
I'm good at that!
I'd actually like to see a remake of this game, with the actors from the original playing the parents .
Been watching you for almost 5 years. Love your perspective and positivity. Please keep up the gold! You honestly make my life better.
Wow, thank you! Glad to have a positive impact :)
Love hearing about little passion projects like this made by people with almost no idea what they were doing. Hell, Evil Dead started out pretty much that way.
Takes me back to making my own short film "The Hog Keeper" for a local film contest when I was back home in Australia in the distant mist-shrouded year of 2019, in the Before Times. It was filmed in about two hours on a budget of about $20. "Starring" myself and a great old friend and filmed by my wife. Music was obtained last moment from a game dev friend. They were tracks he'd made on some old game console music-mixer that had gotten all staticky when he figured out a jerry-rigged way to rip it as music files, as the console had no real support for that. This made the music feel just right to me for the story. All names in credits.
The plot, such as it is, is post-apocalyptic sci-fi.
Had no idea at the time that, a few months later, all kinds of shit were gonna hit the fan in real life. I cherish the film for that reason as well. It's a kind of pre-pandemic time capsule for me.
Everything was spur of the moment as I was leaving Australia three days after hearing about the contest. We just decided to do it, as my reason for being back home in the first place was a depressing one. The script was written by me in about two and a half hours, longer than the actual filming time. The editing took about 7 hours, mainly because I had no idea what I was doing at first.
Oh, it was not accepted into the film contest, probably because the audio is HORRIBLE, along with everything else being horrible, except for the amazing location and the music, and our passion just to get it done (some of which is evident in the film I've been told). Also, apocalyptic sci-fi was probably NOT what they were looking for.
It's on my TH-cam channel if anyone wants to check it out. Oh, BE SURE TO TURN ON SUBTITLES and be careful with headphone volume as the audio is awful!
I believe if you search "The Hog Keeper" it comes up pretty easily, maybe even top of list.
It's 7 minutes long. Enjoy at your own risk.
Cheers.
I wasn’t expecting this tbh.
This is awesome 😂
:)
I remember hearing about this game thanks to AVGN when he reviewed it long time ago. I wonder if the director may one day, just for fun, consider doing a remake with full motion video this time.
Someone also actually had converted Plumbers to TH-cam a while back, using the old in-video linking system so that each clip was it's own video until a choice had to be made. Naturally, it's no longer available & wouldn't even work now, due to TH-cam removing that linking system long ago.
I actually played this back in the day. A friend had a 3DO, so I got to..."experience" it.
One of the few!
Also, judging from the photos you showed, I think Hollywood (Jeanne) looks like she was the inspiration for Poison & Roxy from Final Fight.
Yes! I couldn't get confirmation on it so I didn't include it. Although the timing is spot on and I'd be surprised if she wasn't at least part of the inspiration.
I miss the trend of live action scenes in video games on the 3DO and Saturn back in the day
Support 'Game preservation' even for less than popular or "so bad it's good" games.
As a fan of FMV games, this "game" has its charms.
I can see why these videos take so much time. This was really fun and excellent.
Thank you! This one took ages but I'm glad it was worth it :)
I might have to get the Limited Run Definitive Edition just as a curiosity to keep on the game shelf.
Gotta love the 3DO, they did something in 1994 that Sony got laughed at publicly for in 2006.
Ohhh Sony!
I'd always wondered about the history of this and it's nice to hear how innocent, fun and simple it actually all is. So used to hearing about behind the scenes drama with "bad" projects and I feel this makes it hard to now think of it as one of the worst games. Time has been kind to it as a quirky novelty.
Thanks! I've uncovered so many horror stories its nice to just tell a tale where everything went along quite nicely.
4:30 Wow, she would have made a pretty good live action Poison from Final Fight/Street Fighter back in the day.
With what the finished product was, the backstory of this whole thing makes total sense, lol. They were just winging it, goofing around and that shows.
I couldn't find anything concrete so I didn't put it in the video. HOWEVER, there is a strong resemblance and its very likely that Hollywood's look directly inspired Poison/Roxy.
Oh man what a great video! I was so fascinated with this when AVGN did his video. Great video, man thank you!
Thanks for watching!