WOW! These Ripperologists are vicious with each other - not unlike Jack the Ripper with his victims. . . It's lucky that Edward has all we fans to protect him!
Russell Edwards should have been charged with wasting police time and resources, nevermind the distress he put the family of Keith Bennett through. I think he's a con artist and a narcissist.
I told my teacher that my dog had eaten my homework but they didn't believe 😮 me lol😂. Wow I've been waiting for this and kept looking incase TH-cam did TH-cam things and didn't notify me . I now see why the wait and wow well worth the wait . Excellent Ed think I'll have to look at it half a dozen time what research. ❤ it
I’m surprised that the guys at the Crime Museum would cut out part of the shawl. I visited the museum in 2019 I think and the Ripper display didn’t show it and had very little to view.
“Dubious” I think is the operative word here … I’ve watched it twice now and it appears that the only proven facts are :- 1. Eddowes was murdered in Mitre Square on 30/9/1888 2. Amos Simpson was a Metropolitan police officer who lived in Cheshunt. The rest is like me pointing out that Eddowes is “almost” an anagram of Ed Stow. Congratulations Edward , on another excellent expose’.
@Gubalicious The idea is that if the answer was YES, it would be a statement instead of a question. The only time Betteridge's Law fails is headlines like "Are you ready for the holiday shopping season?" or "Are you getting enough potassium in your diet?" The author doesn't know either way. Your shopping might be done and you might eat a banana every day with lunch.
Great video Mr.Stow..I see a documentary on this a few years back and I have to say I wasn’t convinced..Still been good to hear your view on this DNA episode..
Yes, the depth of your research is very impressive, sir. The people who have in their blood "Jack the Ripper" are as fascinating as the Ripper case itself.
As you read Edwards book you realise he is making up stories. It is a horrible cash grab of a book full of alledged circumstances. In fact I know an associate of Edwards and he has let no end of people handle it. It is rather clean and elegant for the property of a woman used to living in desperate conditions.
Brilliant video Ed once again. I have recently had to open a new facebook page as my old one got hacked. I have tried to rejoin the ripper page (on Facebook) monitored by our Kosminski friend and been rejected. lol I wonder why. 😁 shame really because I really enjoyed interacting with like minded people who share an interest with all the JTR. Anyways, keep up the great work 🙌🏼
As always excellent research, very thorough. All this really adds to the interest in this subject, it really is a bigger subject than most people realise isn't it?
I am pragmatic about Kosminski as a suspect, but I never took the DNA evidence very seriously. There must be a lot of people descended from the Kosminski and Eddows families in the London area today.
I am going to post twice on this video. Having read Edwards book I found it boring, and unconvincing. The worst part is when it gets interesting towards the end I recognised A LOT of it was plagerised from Jack the Ripper org website, almost word for word, so no Edwards is not a Ripperologist.
Your videos are always so thorough and authentic, Mr Stow. The fact that you are open to the opinions of other Ripperologists or those involved with the case, shows a level of common sense and decency, rarely seen these days! My opinion on the shawl, is that it is total twaddle 😆 The science, the methodology, the timeline of ownership and the preposterous claims, made by those involved; are just bonkers! Russell Edwards is not open to varying, or opposing theories and is simply on a mission, to prove his. The first time I saw the supposed shawl, of Catherine Eddowes, I thought it was suspect. And the way it has been handled and dissected, over the decades, is shocking. If it was authentic, it has been subjected to a barrage of mishandling and quite obvious, vandalism. I appreciate that the way a victim or indeed, their belongings, were handled in the past, was often unprofessional and disrespectful but to blithely give a victims' shawl, to a police officer... I don't believe this even happened, in this particular case. Thank goodness for your diligent investigation and adherence to historic facts and reason! I've been interested in this subject, since I was a teenager...forty plus years ago. Your videos are the most interesting and fact based material, I have ever seen. And along with Christer Holmgren, you have both brought some credible evidence to this case.
Well done as always! Cheers 🥂 If anyone's interested, I have this friend who has an old leather apron that may, or may not, be from a source in White chapel around 1888. Only asking 2,000,000 💷 😂❤
The key is the provenance of the items in any case. Is there an reliable chain of custody of the specific item in question from whenever to now. In this case, there isn't any. Another issue is who handled the item and when so they can be excluded from the analysis, something that is unknown. In this case, what can't be ruled out is a couple of cousins of both Eddowes and Kaminski handling the shawl even if this is improbable.
The black museum and more recent people should have definitely known better, but much earlier clippings from it are very much in line with how people handled (potentially) notorious items in history. People desperate for souvenirs even chipped wood from the door frame of the Petersen house while Abraham Lincoln was still alive in the back bedroom.
Would be crazy if Amos Simpson was Jack the Ripper and disguised himself as a city police officer and that’s why he had the ‘shaul’ and that’s why he was never caught
Thanks edward. The whole testing of clothing falls down because of chain of evidence. no good proof here. For me even if one of the victims was dug up and they were buried with an item of clothing, all dna blood (assuming you could extract something) would prove is they were a client, or knew the victim nothing more. for me a better line of evidence would be if dna was discovered under finger nails. then you may have something.
Think you have come up trumps on this one Ed well done mate also i think Edwards is in the realms of fantasy even so if the shawl was real over the years it has past through so many hands etc it’s highly impossible to get a perfect DNA match in the first place
WOW! This is one of your very best videos. What a difference one number makes! So, though it is exceedingly common, what you are saying is that the “15” dna is located in both the shawl blood spot and in the descendant’s sample. And far too common to come to a further conclusion?
Yes it was..Rented out with Mary’s blood still spattered over the wall..The Jack the Ripper tour channel has a video on an American journalist who came over to see how the Eastend was..
Oh dear here we go again I remember the Moors fiasco is this Simpson person completely and utterly deluded I always trust science . Can't wait until your next episode🎉
Ok. In the rags defense, as sloppily as the police handled evidence in the case it's entirely possible that it's real. But I would have expected that the holders would have shown up much earlier, say 1888 for bragging rights. At some point a news article about it would have written. Photos taken. And so on. It would need dna of both on it. Today's dna testing may be good enough to prove it. Using that police blood test may be able to find blood spots for testing. Etc. Etc. So far, Letchmere has is closer to have been proven than any other suspects; though I suspect that, like ghosts and Bigfoot, there's more money to be made in looking for them in actually finding them. But this is the best investigation of any I've seen so far. Good work.
I have to agree that the shawl's provenance is too questionable for it to be of any value. The fact it's been handled carelessly for so long adds to my doubts. On a side note, do you have a favorite fictional version of the case? Mine is the novel "The Whitechapel Horrors" by Edward B. Hanna--Sherlock Holmes tackles the Ripper case with --not to give anything away--interesting results.
erm no i dont see howt possbly could you would have to dig up all the suspects and victems to do a proper terst and theres no way that would be allowed
The wife of RP Carman looking at records is described as a Rag sorter, maybe during her employment she found a beautiful shawl (her Grandfather ?) Cornelius Hurley appears to live 1839 in Ireland, Tirnaspidogy convicted of Coinage (counterfeiting), so did he escape to London, careful looking at the records Julia's mother could be Ellen.. but this may just refer to a street, Dog and Truck, Eireann or Aaron, so many .. similar names confuse .. the trail. Established 1855 explore L.Cornelissen & Son, high end Gilding materials .. may support hidden discourse spoken communication regards other types of Guilds or perhaps Fenian affiliations, eg: the interpretation of the coins used as advertising, or auctions houses supporting criminal activity, receiver or mover, a common source of income for organised crime. Cornelius is interesting. I shall be listening several times, simply fascinating Mr Stow thank-you. I agree the shawl is just one piece of evidence in a long line of inquiry.
U R of course correct in your suspicions.And This cloth would b incredibly hard to prove that it belonged to one of the rippers victims.As there is no mention of this in any police reports and I would b incredibly surprised that if this was found in miter square it would of surely been taken as evidence by the police? As U alluded 2 there is much 2 b suspicious over.And also I have never fancied Komi ski as jack. Ps congratulations on another enjoyable video.
The Lechemere theory has enough info and oddities to make for a good movie. You can see it beginning as Lechmere seeming to be a man who's being wrongly accused. His lack of volunteering for questioning could be portrayed as a reaction to the fear of well-known police corruption. When he gives a false name, it can be portrayed as a reaction to fear. You could portray this "wrongly accused" in how he interacts with his wife and other family members -- with whom he had various known frictions. A typical working class family man -- struggling to get ahead but the same problems as anyone else. I can imagine an opening scene showing him with his blood-smeared work apron out of context so we think at first, "This guy's the ripper." Then you can play him off as the Hitchcokian "wrongly accused man" -- we reveal his job is delivering meat. You proceed through character development for about 10 pages of script or less. Showing him interact with the supporting characters but sometimes in odd ways which are revealed to be just a part of an ordinary day for working class Brits. By the time you get to page 10, you'd have to portray the first merder in detail but without revealing the face of the Ripper. We know it's virtually bloodless but we also know that our victim could've been alive when discovered by the first non-Lechmere witness. You'd have to devise a shot that shows the Ripper hesitate when he hears a pedestrian coming and runs off. Then show Lechemere walking up to the body as first witness. Take dramatic liberty and have him kneel to give care to the victim who's almost unconscious but mute. Lechemere would falsely appear like he's genuinely an innocent man stumbled on the scene -- wrong place, wrong time. The sound fx at that point is going to be shoes on stone. Ripper shoes sounding calculating and deliberate -- but quiet. Lechemeres would sound "typical pedestrian". Obviously you'd use the same shoes for both men throughout the piece -- the rippers would be much more quiet and deliberate. Using the same sound fx for "both" men is the subconscious reveal of the movie to the audience. There are so many suspects you can pick one that we follow all along as our "red herring". Someone of a type who's stereotypically thought to be the ripper -- someone who isn't an ordinary person doing an ordinary job. You could combine 2 or more of the ripper suspects into one character to make them look extra guilty... way more guilty than Lechemere. All along, you show the individual victim's deaths without showing the ripper's face... until the last victim. You could then show a montage of flashbacks to each victim's merder but from an angle that shows his face -- expressionless with those dead eyes that we see in all the Lechmere photos as he's committing the atrocities. Near the end we can make it look like the cops are just about to discover him and he just slips between the cracks. Last scene: a cop is almost about to catch him. Maybe he wears his butcher's apron -- stained with the blood of his last victim. You can almost see the last shot in the film -- in an alley over the shoulder as he causally eludes the police... untying his apron without any sense of urgency -- daring to be caught. His bootheels quietly scraping in the same manner as the Ripper. Camera stays OTS as he removes the apron and tosses it strategically in plain view but where it wouldn't be noticed... like he knows the location like the back of his hand. As he nears the exist to the sidewalk, you hear his footfalls change to the Lechemere pattern. He then exits onto the sidewalk amid a smattering of pedestrians. He melds into them. The camera pulls out until we can't recognize individuals -- up to the level of the neighborhood and then... FADE TO BLACK. This thing almost writes itself. There are enough misdirections in the case to portray the "wrongly accused" angle. The "twist" is that the "wrongly accused" man really is the perpetrator. Of course many of the audience would expect this twist so it shouldn't be the only twist in the story. We eventually reveal each suspect as truly "wrongly accused". You can even show the red herring character as more of a calculating man with secrets, whereas Lechmere is a family man who's just getting by. You'd also reveal the police as cutting corners and careless. Lechmere would have to appear to be a beta in his own family. Not assertive. This is consistent with rage repression and then explosion onto the victims. Throughout, he'd be a victim of circumstance in even non-Ripper events. You'd have to portray him as an unlucky guy in his daily life. You could even have him step in animal poo at the very beginning -- which gives us a chance to see his boots -- the boots the Ripper would've been wearing. Have him scrape those boots to remove the poo and those scrapes would also be the same we'd hear in all the Ripper scenes as he treads to prevent the hard "clop" of his heels. A two-fer -- hint to the audience and a display of bad luck so it doesn't appear to be a hint. You'd have to follow both men throughout the story alternating between each as likely guilty or innocent -- always keeping the red herring just slightly more guilty looking. Someone could take the above as the nucleus of a treatment and run with it. Any skilled screenwriter would blaze through that writing as if it wrote itself. The plot forces the characters into behaviors which alternate between apparent guilt and innocence. That shifting dictates their dialog and actions and the scenes you'd have to write to portray them. The characters around the red herring and Lechemere are likewise dictated. Each scene that portrayed a man as guilty would have to follow up with one that made them appear unambiguously innocent. We (obviously) know that Lechemere was very convincing as an innocent man to the police and everyone else. The police took no special notice of him and seem to have clerically lost the thread because of it. There's a lot of suspense opportunities. The almost-merders you could portray and what appears to be setups for the horrors but turn out to be something else. That Ripper bootheel sound effect would be essential to that suspense... even when Lechmere's not offscreen anywhere. False positives and false negatives would abound. There's no room for useless scenes. Too many victims and too much purposeful misdirection is required. No need to pad runtime with throwaway action or dialog. Every scene would either be suspense, misdirection, or both. If it didn't serve one of those two purposes (or both), it doesn't belong. [Usual Suspencts SPOILER ALERT] You could even pull that Usual Suspects gag and frame the story as an interrogation of Lechemere after the final victim was found. Funny enough, Verbal Kent's transformation into Kaiser Sose was portrayed by the camera following Kent's feet as they go from crippled and hesitant to self-assured. Our piece ends in the opposite manner... transformation from Ripper to Lechemere... so we'd have to have a final connecting Ripper scene after the interrogation ends. Kent's transformation is about him rejoining the invisible criminal class. Lechmere's is about him rejoining the invisible working class. To be sure, the interrogation frame story is a dramatic liberty but it's one that's effective. Nothing has been as effective as Usual Suspects since Usual Suspects. That was so long ago no viewer would so obviously spot the same device in use. This was fun to concoct. I'd write it myself if I didn't already have other fun hobbies I'm into.
Wow! That's not a comment...That's a film treatment. You sound like a guy whose time, and mind, is forever occupied, but I hope you have a change of heart about a writing a screenplay. I'll wager it would be a cracking read.
@@mitchellcasey4864 I've studied screenwriting for quite a long time but the rewards for trying to sell an unsolicited script are nil in current year. I'd prefer to write and film shorts myself... though I have other related hobbies I'm studying so that I can pull that off.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 In current year, that may not be a good thing. Everything they touch has all it's interesting bits polished away. Seems to be very little vision in Hollywood anymore. Though I see green shoots. That show The Penguin was among the best written and performed shows I've ever seen. It works without any superheroes at all and there aren't many tentpole VFX shots -- some explosions and fires... and a great flood. Gotham is created as the same kind of God-abandoned place that I see the Ripper's territory to be. I picture it as well-worn, too crowded to be clean, safe, or healthy -- especially back then. The law had very few rules or restraints on abuse. Vice was as routine as any working-class job.
@@Carolinel673 Would he be one of the ones that exploded a bomb in Clerkenwell, London on the 13th December 1867. Killing 12 men, women and children and injuring up to 120 in two nearby tenement houses?
what all this does notrepresent is the jtr style murders in forign ports jtrs ryme rim? im not a forign skipper so jtr must have been an english skipper which turns all this stuff on its head It could have been captain Kosminsky master of one of Smiths City Line steamers if Kosminsky was jtr . It appears he was not educatedso could not have been jtr im shure i could put more on this but cant bring it to mind.Realy good ttfn&ty Kosminsky
Mr Louhelainen is a well established scientist in his field and I do not doubt his findings, then again miss Eddowes was a lady of the night and as such surely had a surplus amount of east end male DNA both in and on her at the time of her demise, Kosminski could easily have been among her clientele.
Excellent video, topnotch research!
WOW! These Ripperologists are vicious with each other - not unlike Jack the Ripper with his victims. . . It's lucky that Edward has all we fans to protect him!
I recall seeing the documentary testing the garment in 2006. I remember it proving nothing.
Thank you, Mr. Stow for this insightful documentary into the Jack The Ripper case. I look forward to future content.
Thank you
Russell Edwards should have been charged with wasting police time and resources, nevermind the distress he put the family of Keith Bennett through.
I think he's a con artist and a narcissist.
I told my teacher that my dog had eaten my homework but they didn't believe 😮 me lol😂.
Wow I've been waiting for this and kept looking incase TH-cam did TH-cam things and didn't notify me .
I now see why the wait and wow well worth the wait . Excellent Ed think I'll have to look at it half a dozen time what research. ❤ it
Always interesting to watch by the foremost Ripper historian in our generation
Once again, Mr Stow employs good, solid research matched with common sense reasoning to debunk another dodgy Ripper theory. Brilliantly done.
Another excellent video ed,thank you
Excellent video as always Ed!
Please don't ever stop making videos.
Its like Christmas when i get the notification you've released a video.
I have been to Happy Days for fish and chips. Highly recommend going and having a bite to eat and viewing the JTR themed artwork.
Another Turin Shroud. The depth of analysis and research in this film is excellent.
excellent, well researched and presented.
I’m surprised that the guys at the Crime Museum would cut out part of the shawl. I visited the museum in 2019 I think and the Ripper display didn’t show it and had very little to view.
Well researched as always.
Brilliantly informative and entertaining, as always!
“Dubious” I think is the operative word here …
I’ve watched it twice now and it appears that the only proven facts are :-
1. Eddowes was murdered in Mitre Square on 30/9/1888
2. Amos Simpson was a Metropolitan police officer who lived in Cheshunt.
The rest is like me pointing out that Eddowes is “almost” an anagram of Ed Stow.
Congratulations Edward , on another excellent expose’.
Ha - I hadn't noticed that about Eddowes
Another example of "Betteridge's Law" at work. When a headline (or video title) is phrased as a question, the correct answer is NO.
Not in all my films!
That's the best thing i've learned all week. A law to define something i've always suspected 😂
@Gubalicious The idea is that if the answer was YES, it would be a statement instead of a question. The only time Betteridge's Law fails is headlines like "Are you ready for the holiday shopping season?" or "Are you getting enough potassium in your diet?" The author doesn't know either way. Your shopping might be done and you might eat a banana every day with lunch.
Great video Mr.Stow..I see a documentary on this a few years back and I have to say I wasn’t convinced..Still been good to hear your view on this DNA episode..
Love the video. The depth of your dedication to research is outstanding, thank you so much for your hard work.
My pleasure!
Yes, the depth of your research is very impressive, sir. The people who have in their blood "Jack the Ripper" are as fascinating as the Ripper case itself.
Masterful. Your work is head and shoulders above anything currently being produced. Well done chap.
So Jack the Ripper ran all the way from Berner Street to Mitre Square with a roll of carpet under his arm!
Ha
Excellent video as always Edward! Thank you for bringing this one love it! ❤
Remember Jack The Ripper appeared in the Star Trek EP Wolf In Th Fold. As a Noncorporeal life form
Yep 😂 I think they got right.
As always , Ed, great video👏👏💜
Maybe Kosminski used the shawl to disguise himself as a little old lady. A ridiculous theory I agree but Russell Edwards started it 😂😂
Ha
As you read Edwards book you realise he is making up stories. It is a horrible cash grab of a book full of alledged circumstances. In fact I know an associate of Edwards and he has let no end of people handle it. It is rather clean and elegant for the property of a woman used to living in desperate conditions.
Thorough analysis. Well presented as always. Keep up the great work Edward.
Much appreciated!
My watch tomorrow 🔪🎩
Thank you Edward, will watch over the weekend 👍
Brilliant video Ed once again. I have recently had to open a new facebook page as my old one got hacked. I have tried to rejoin the ripper page (on Facebook) monitored by our Kosminski friend and been rejected. lol I wonder why. 😁 shame really because I really enjoyed interacting with like minded people who share an interest with all the JTR. Anyways, keep up the great work 🙌🏼
If you mean the one run by Tom, I suggest you message him and explain.
New accounts often get rejected.
@ I have done.
I noticed your Facebook went defunct!
As always excellent research, very thorough. All this really adds to the interest in this subject, it really is a bigger subject than most people realise isn't it?
Huge!
Excellent episode Ed - well researched and very informative
I am pragmatic about Kosminski as a suspect, but I never took the DNA evidence very seriously. There must be a lot of people descended from the Kosminski and Eddows families in the London area today.
Great research
I am going to post twice on this video. Having read Edwards book I found it boring, and unconvincing. The worst part is when it gets interesting towards the end I recognised A LOT of it was plagerised from Jack the Ripper org website, almost word for word, so no Edwards is not a Ripperologist.
Another top vid, great research ED
Thanks again!
Your videos are always so thorough and authentic, Mr Stow.
The fact that you are open to the opinions of other Ripperologists or those involved with the case, shows a level of common sense and decency, rarely seen these days!
My opinion on the shawl, is that it is total twaddle 😆
The science, the methodology, the timeline of ownership and the preposterous claims, made by those involved; are just bonkers!
Russell Edwards is not open to varying, or opposing theories and is simply on a mission, to prove his.
The first time I saw the supposed shawl, of Catherine Eddowes, I thought it was suspect. And the way it has been handled and dissected, over the decades, is shocking.
If it was authentic, it has been subjected to a barrage of mishandling and quite obvious, vandalism.
I appreciate that the way a victim or indeed, their belongings, were handled in the past, was often unprofessional and disrespectful but to blithely give a victims' shawl, to a police officer...
I don't believe this even happened, in this particular case.
Thank goodness for your diligent investigation and adherence to historic facts and reason!
I've been interested in this subject, since I was a teenager...forty plus years ago.
Your videos are the most interesting and fact based material, I have ever seen. And along with Christer Holmgren, you have both brought some credible evidence to this case.
Thank you
Thank you
I'm T1a1, does this mean I'm Jack too 😂 then again one in 75 people are as well.
I love fish and chips. Sounds like they shut down, am I right?
Very interesting!
Well done as always! Cheers 🥂
If anyone's interested, I have this friend who has an old leather apron that may, or may not, be from a source in White chapel around 1888. Only asking 2,000,000 💷
😂❤
DNA can be manipulated and come from almost anywhere.. Letchmere is by far the best suspect, but the mystery is what makes the $$$. 🤑
😉🔪💃
This is really interesting. Really enjoyed the film!
My goodness, what a load of bunkum. Well rebutted. Brilliant, meticulous research, as usual.
Keep it up America needs escapism. These are fantastic.
Thanks, will do!
Great video as always Edward
The key is the provenance of the items in any case. Is there an reliable chain of custody of the specific item in question from whenever to now. In this case, there isn't any. Another issue is who handled the item and when so they can be excluded from the analysis, something that is unknown. In this case, what can't be ruled out is a couple of cousins of both Eddowes and Kaminski handling the shawl even if this is improbable.
The black museum and more recent people should have definitely known better, but much earlier clippings from it are very much in line with how people handled (potentially) notorious items in history. People desperate for souvenirs even chipped wood from the door frame of the Petersen house while Abraham Lincoln was still alive in the back bedroom.
Would be crazy if Amos Simpson was Jack the Ripper and disguised himself as a city police officer and that’s why he had the ‘shaul’ and that’s why he was never caught
Makes you think.
@ I am very much for the lechmere theory , but police officer or something like that would be 2nd for me . They clearly knew how to not get caught
Thanks edward. The whole testing of clothing falls down because of chain of evidence. no good proof here. For me even if one of the victims was dug up and they were buried with an item of clothing, all dna blood (assuming you could extract something) would prove is they were a client, or knew the victim nothing more. for me a better line of evidence would be if dna was discovered under finger nails. then you may have something.
The Keith Russell thing is bad but I hope he had good intentions 🙏
Think you have come up trumps on this one Ed well done mate also i think Edwards is in the realms of fantasy even so if the shawl was real over the years it has past through so many hands etc it’s highly impossible to get a perfect DNA match in the first place
WOW! This is one of your very best videos. What a difference one number makes! So, though it is exceedingly common, what you are saying is that the “15” dna is located in both the shawl blood spot and in the descendant’s sample. And far too common to come to a further conclusion?
Do we know what happened to the bloody portion of Eddows clothing?
Ed never fails to deliver excellent informative content 👌
Also great thumbnail
After the murder of Mary Jane Kelly, what happened to her home? Did anyone live there after she was killed?
Yes
It was occupied again months later, and remained in use until 1929 by which time those in the area had all but forgot about her murder.
th-cam.com/video/sR-KZFZmAXA/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
This is a video by the Jack The Ripper Tour channel about her room after it happened.
Yes it was..Rented out with Mary’s blood still spattered over the wall..The Jack the Ripper tour channel has a video on an American journalist who came over to see how the Eastend was..
Looking forward to to this will watch later
Oh dear here we go again I remember the Moors fiasco is this Simpson person completely and utterly deluded I always trust science . Can't wait until your next episode🎉
Edward, what book, new or old, would you recommend as an indepth telling of the Jack the Ripper case?
Philip sugdan, the complete history of jack the ripper is one of the best for me.
@pauloldham4605 thanks for the suggestion!
Ok. In the rags defense, as sloppily as the police handled evidence in the case it's entirely possible that it's real. But I would have expected that the holders would have shown up much earlier, say 1888 for bragging rights. At some point a news article about it would have written. Photos taken. And so on. It would need dna of both on it. Today's dna testing may be good enough to prove it. Using that police blood test may be able to find blood spots for testing. Etc. Etc. So far, Letchmere has is closer to have been proven than any other suspects; though I suspect that, like ghosts and Bigfoot, there's more money to be made in looking for them in actually finding them. But this is the best investigation of any I've seen so far. Good work.
Yes Sugden
I have to agree that the shawl's provenance is too questionable for it to be of any value. The fact it's been handled carelessly for so long adds to my doubts.
On a side note, do you have a favorite fictional version of the case? Mine is the novel "The Whitechapel Horrors" by Edward B. Hanna--Sherlock Holmes tackles the Ripper case with --not to give anything away--interesting results.
Oh my goodness it's the guy who did the moors con, hadn't realised that either
Fantastic I had no idea you knew so much abot this so called shawl, but suppose shpikd of guessed you'd be the expert we can trust
FANTASTIC video...!!!
erm no i dont see howt possbly could you would have to dig up all the suspects and victems to do a proper terst and theres no way that would be allowed
Your comment is crazy. Makes no sense.
The wife of RP Carman looking at records is described as a Rag sorter, maybe during her employment she found a beautiful shawl (her Grandfather ?) Cornelius Hurley appears to live 1839 in Ireland, Tirnaspidogy convicted of Coinage (counterfeiting), so did he escape to London, careful looking at the records Julia's mother could be Ellen.. but this may just refer to a street, Dog and Truck, Eireann or Aaron, so many .. similar names confuse .. the trail. Established 1855 explore L.Cornelissen & Son, high end Gilding materials .. may support hidden discourse spoken communication regards other types of Guilds or perhaps Fenian affiliations, eg: the interpretation of the coins used as advertising, or auctions houses supporting criminal activity, receiver or mover, a common source of income for organised crime. Cornelius is interesting.
I shall be listening several times, simply fascinating Mr Stow thank-you. I agree the shawl is just one piece of evidence in a long line of inquiry.
U R of course correct in your suspicions.And This cloth would b incredibly hard to prove that it belonged to one of the rippers victims.As there is no mention of this in any police reports and I would b incredibly surprised that if this was found in miter square it would of surely been taken as evidence by the police? As U alluded 2 there is much 2 b suspicious over.And also I have never fancied Komi ski as jack. Ps congratulations on another enjoyable video.
God video og god weekend og fedt content 😊
Alright a nice long one.
At 28:16 the street name is easily read as Jews. Probably changed later to avoid problems.
Sorry I’m no wiser,still haven’t found jack,for me.
The Lechemere theory has enough info and oddities to make for a good movie. You can see it beginning as Lechmere seeming to be a man who's being wrongly accused.
His lack of volunteering for questioning could be portrayed as a reaction to the fear of well-known police corruption. When he gives a false name, it can be portrayed as a reaction to fear.
You could portray this "wrongly accused" in how he interacts with his wife and other family members -- with whom he had various known frictions. A typical working class family man -- struggling to get ahead but the same problems as anyone else.
I can imagine an opening scene showing him with his blood-smeared work apron out of context so we think at first, "This guy's the ripper." Then you can play him off as the Hitchcokian "wrongly accused man" -- we reveal his job is delivering meat. You proceed through character development for about 10 pages of script or less. Showing him interact with the supporting characters but sometimes in odd ways which are revealed to be just a part of an ordinary day for working class Brits.
By the time you get to page 10, you'd have to portray the first merder in detail but without revealing the face of the Ripper. We know it's virtually bloodless but we also know that our victim could've been alive when discovered by the first non-Lechmere witness.
You'd have to devise a shot that shows the Ripper hesitate when he hears a pedestrian coming and runs off. Then show Lechemere walking up to the body as first witness. Take dramatic liberty and have him kneel to give care to the victim who's almost unconscious but mute. Lechemere would falsely appear like he's genuinely an innocent man stumbled on the scene -- wrong place, wrong time.
The sound fx at that point is going to be shoes on stone. Ripper shoes sounding calculating and deliberate -- but quiet. Lechemeres would sound "typical pedestrian". Obviously you'd use the same shoes for both men throughout the piece -- the rippers would be much more quiet and deliberate. Using the same sound fx for "both" men is the subconscious reveal of the movie to the audience.
There are so many suspects you can pick one that we follow all along as our "red herring". Someone of a type who's stereotypically thought to be the ripper -- someone who isn't an ordinary person doing an ordinary job. You could combine 2 or more of the ripper suspects into one character to make them look extra guilty... way more guilty than Lechemere.
All along, you show the individual victim's deaths without showing the ripper's face... until the last victim. You could then show a montage of flashbacks to each victim's merder but from an angle that shows his face -- expressionless with those dead eyes that we see in all the Lechmere photos as he's committing the atrocities.
Near the end we can make it look like the cops are just about to discover him and he just slips between the cracks. Last scene: a cop is almost about to catch him. Maybe he wears his butcher's apron -- stained with the blood of his last victim. You can almost see the last shot in the film -- in an alley over the shoulder as he causally eludes the police... untying his apron without any sense of urgency -- daring to be caught. His bootheels quietly scraping in the same manner as the Ripper. Camera stays OTS as he removes the apron and tosses it strategically in plain view but where it wouldn't be noticed... like he knows the location like the back of his hand.
As he nears the exist to the sidewalk, you hear his footfalls change to the Lechemere pattern. He then exits onto the sidewalk amid a smattering of pedestrians. He melds into them. The camera pulls out until we can't recognize individuals -- up to the level of the neighborhood and then... FADE TO BLACK.
This thing almost writes itself. There are enough misdirections in the case to portray the "wrongly accused" angle. The "twist" is that the "wrongly accused" man really is the perpetrator. Of course many of the audience would expect this twist so it shouldn't be the only twist in the story. We eventually reveal each suspect as truly "wrongly accused". You can even show the red herring character as more of a calculating man with secrets, whereas Lechmere is a family man who's just getting by.
You'd also reveal the police as cutting corners and careless. Lechmere would have to appear to be a beta in his own family. Not assertive. This is consistent with rage repression and then explosion onto the victims. Throughout, he'd be a victim of circumstance in even non-Ripper events. You'd have to portray him as an unlucky guy in his daily life. You could even have him step in animal poo at the very beginning -- which gives us a chance to see his boots -- the boots the Ripper would've been wearing. Have him scrape those boots to remove the poo and those scrapes would also be the same we'd hear in all the Ripper scenes as he treads to prevent the hard "clop" of his heels. A two-fer -- hint to the audience and a display of bad luck so it doesn't appear to be a hint.
You'd have to follow both men throughout the story alternating between each as likely guilty or innocent -- always keeping the red herring just slightly more guilty looking.
Someone could take the above as the nucleus of a treatment and run with it. Any skilled screenwriter would blaze through that writing as if it wrote itself. The plot forces the characters into behaviors which alternate between apparent guilt and innocence. That shifting dictates their dialog and actions and the scenes you'd have to write to portray them. The characters around the red herring and Lechemere are likewise dictated. Each scene that portrayed a man as guilty would have to follow up with one that made them appear unambiguously innocent.
We (obviously) know that Lechemere was very convincing as an innocent man to the police and everyone else. The police took no special notice of him and seem to have clerically lost the thread because of it.
There's a lot of suspense opportunities. The almost-merders you could portray and what appears to be setups for the horrors but turn out to be something else. That Ripper bootheel sound effect would be essential to that suspense... even when Lechmere's not offscreen anywhere. False positives and false negatives would abound.
There's no room for useless scenes. Too many victims and too much purposeful misdirection is required. No need to pad runtime with throwaway action or dialog. Every scene would either be suspense, misdirection, or both. If it didn't serve one of those two purposes (or both), it doesn't belong.
[Usual Suspencts SPOILER ALERT] You could even pull that Usual Suspects gag and frame the story as an interrogation of Lechemere after the final victim was found. Funny enough, Verbal Kent's transformation into Kaiser Sose was portrayed by the camera following Kent's feet as they go from crippled and hesitant to self-assured. Our piece ends in the opposite manner... transformation from Ripper to Lechemere... so we'd have to have a final connecting Ripper scene after the interrogation ends. Kent's transformation is about him rejoining the invisible criminal class. Lechmere's is about him rejoining the invisible working class.
To be sure, the interrogation frame story is a dramatic liberty but it's one that's effective. Nothing has been as effective as Usual Suspects since Usual Suspects. That was so long ago no viewer would so obviously spot the same device in use.
This was fun to concoct. I'd write it myself if I didn't already have other fun hobbies I'm into.
Wow! That's not a comment...That's a film treatment. You sound like a guy whose time, and mind, is forever occupied, but I hope you have a change of heart about a writing a screenplay. I'll wager it would be a cracking read.
Hollywood beckons
@@mitchellcasey4864 I've studied screenwriting for quite a long time but the rewards for trying to sell an unsolicited script are nil in current year. I'd prefer to write and film shorts myself... though I have other related hobbies I'm studying so that I can pull that off.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 In current year, that may not be a good thing. Everything they touch has all it's interesting bits polished away. Seems to be very little vision in Hollywood anymore. Though I see green shoots. That show The Penguin was among the best written and performed shows I've ever seen. It works without any superheroes at all and there aren't many tentpole VFX shots -- some explosions and fires... and a great flood.
Gotham is created as the same kind of God-abandoned place that I see the Ripper's territory to be. I picture it as well-worn, too crowded to be clean, safe, or healthy -- especially back then. The law had very few rules or restraints on abuse. Vice was as routine as any working-class job.
Settle down, spaz
I kept saying to myself is he saying Fenian . My G grandfather was one .
He is saying Fenian.
@ I know it’s just strange hearing it . I’m just so proud of my G grandfather an Irish ☘️ warrior.
@@Carolinel673 Would he be one of the ones that exploded a bomb in Clerkenwell, London on the 13th December 1867. Killing 12 men, women and children and injuring up to 120 in two nearby tenement houses?
what all this does notrepresent is the jtr style murders in forign ports jtrs ryme rim? im not a forign skipper so jtr must have been an english skipper which turns all this stuff on its head It could have been captain Kosminsky master of one of Smiths City Line steamers if Kosminsky was jtr . It appears he was not educatedso could not have been jtr im shure i could put more on this but cant bring it to mind.Realy good ttfn&ty Kosminsky
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Nice to see a new upload.
Mr Louhelainen is a well established scientist in his field and I do not doubt his findings, then again miss Eddowes was a lady of the night and as such surely had a surplus amount of east end male DNA both in and on her at the time of her demise, Kosminski could easily have been among her clientele.
Same old regurgitation for 136 years.
And yet you're here
@@kevinkenny6975 Not for long.