Who REALLY killed Liz Stride?
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In this episode Edward Stow investigates at a number of suspects who have been proposed as the responsible for the murder of Elizabeth Stride, known to her friends as Long Liz.
Liz was the third of the so-called canonical victims of the serial killer known to history as Jack the Ripper, and the first of the 'Double Event' killings that took place in the early hours of the morning of 30th September 1888.
Some have questioned whether she was even a victim of Jack the Ripper. All these questions will be answered and at the end a solution to this crime will be proposed.
If you did not catch the previous film, which examined Liz Stride's background and her murder in detail, it can be found here:
• The Jack the Ripper Mu...
Details on Charles Lechmere's mother's very strange second bigamous marriage can be found in this film:
• The First Jack the Rip...
With thanks to Mike Pemberton for the de-aging and colourisation of the Charles Lechmere photograph and the excellent animations of Lechmere.
Mike's TH-cam channel can be found here: / @pembysgamingworld
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EXCELLENT VIDEO!! With so many people at the anarchist's club around the first murder, Lechmere knew the cops would blame one of them for it and that anti-semitism would affect the officer's work. I think he then, too, was upset about being disturbed, but yet knew he had to have another murder carried out and leave physical and written "evidence" around so the cops would definitively want to blame any person affiliated with the club. His movements and choices actually show a type of on-the-fly thinking that quickly utililzes very strong tactical awareness. That's something that could only be developed in an enviroment where numerous, random things are coming at you every day and you have to figure out how to avoid them. I think he did the second murder, ultimately, as a way to shift of suspicion toward others, the same way he first did with Robert Paul. He saw that it worked and knew he had to do it again as soon as possible. Lastly, I am one hundred percent he knew Liz Stide from the "Coffee Shop." Heck, he could have known most of the females he murdered and that's how he was able to get them to walk with him to the dark spots he wanted them to go.
What a great surprise wasn't expecting another video so soon!no holds barred in this episode eliminating other theories put forward fantastic stuff Ed👏
Absolutely love your uploads. So interesting. Thank you and please keep up the great work. Your knowledge is in my opinion, second to none
Thanks, will do!
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@@thehouseoflechmere9407 😂 now you’re thinking outside the box. I was just letting you know about the problem.
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You love those gates don't you Ed! Really, really great video. The thoroughness of your research, and resulting suppositions help to bring the period, crimes and related people all to life. Well done sir!
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Great video Ed. Really pleased to see this so soon after the last one. One thing that really strikes me about the 'Double Event' is that the culprit fled the first murder scene to an area where he knew there would be another victim in a really short space of time, away from the Police/crowds which there would likely be. I think that confirms that the killer had very high local knowledge, like Lechmere.
Glad you liked it
i wonder if Lechmere's mother ever suspected that her son was Jack the ripper. She is an important figure in this saga who warrants further investigation as it seems that she was the one constant figure throughout Lechmere's life, from his birth right up to and including the period when the murders were taking place.
Yes indeed
By far the best Ripper channel out there. It just keeps getting better and better. Great stuff Edward. Keep it rolling please 🙏🏻 !
Thank you
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 You are very welcome. 😁👍🏻
A great video as always - many thanks for the hard work.
Another fact filled, fascinating foray into Berner Street.
Excellent.
I feel I have to agree with your personal conclusion as alternative suspects are appearing more and more ridiculous to me with each film you release.
Congratulations !
Cheers!
Excellent Edward, will watch tonight 👍
I happened upon your channel a couple of days ago and have been binge-watching ever since! Being a true crime aficionado, I had a passing interest in the Jack the Ripper murders but had no real knowledge of any of the suspects. You, Sir, have thoroughly convinced me of Charles Lechmere's guilt. I just wanted to leave a comment of appreciation and am now off to binge-watch some more! Thank you for the amount of work you obviously put into your videos. Chris (new sub. from Western Australia).
Thanks for that - keep watching
Very interesting making so much sense, can't wait for your next upload.
Fascinating as always!
Glad you think so!
Great uploads really look forward to them.
Another great one.. 👌
Your channel is really blowing up! ..and so it should be, there are so many channels that have huge subscriber counts that aren't even close to having your level of quality and educational value. Can't wait to see you grow and prosper even more, Edward. 🤗
Thank you
Always fascinating!
Love it straight to the point and no BS keep it up Sir!
Edward your videos just get better. Top quality research.
I appreciate that!
Great video Ed!
Thanks!
Thanks for sharing all that you do share with us on your channel here.
I absolutely love how thorough you are literally no stone left unturned ! Once again, you’ve outdone yourself!
Thank you
Very interesting videos. Just subscribed. You are an authority on this complex subject
Welcome aboard!
Thanks Edward something you watch I always look at to your videos 👍🇮🇪
Glad to hear it
Another brilliant video by the way.
Another good video mate 👍
Cheers
Another outstanding display of detective work Mr Stow. Thank you, and well done👍
Thank you kindly
The problem for me with the “he was disturbed” theory is when Louis Diemschutz pulled up, Elizabeth was seen getting physically man-handled while letting out a scream just outside the court, some 15 minutes earlier; indicating the “start” of the assault. The throat cut will have taken a matter of seconds to execute and as there were no other mutilations, why would the killer still have been hanging around for another 10 minutes waiting for someone to disturb him, this doesn’t make much sense. This seems to lean more towards some kind of domestic dispute and not a JTR target, where the mutilations were not the goal of the murder. But of course, there could be other variables were simply not aware of.
It’s also very questionable to me personally that a small blade was used for that murder alone (in correlation with the other anomalies discussed) and a _different_ blade was used for Eddowes around an hour later! The size of the blade aside, it has to be also noted that the wounds inflicted to her throat, were caused by a knife that was “not sharp and pointed but round and an inch across”. “There was nothing in the cuts to show an incision of the point of any weapon”. Polly, Annie, Catharine and Mary all died from wounds inflicted by a sharp, pointed knife. “He carried Multiple knifes” can be ever so easily interjected to conveniently explain that away, but it’s funny how he mysteriously decided to change back to his bigger, more efficient knife for Eddowes only a short while later on the same night 🤦 it just doesn’t wash for me.
In the video he quickly brushed over the details of the crime scene, but for me, the site of the murder also doesn’t correlate either. it’s the only one of the murder scenes that was outside of a relatively busy, public place > a working men’s club with customers actively coming and going on this evening. All the other murder scenes took place in much more desolate and quiet areas. The only one comparable was Hanbury street due to it being more “public” with the risk of the immediate living quarters through the passage. But again, I don’t think it’s a very strong argument in context as that place was known to be chosen/used by prostitutes to service their clients, precisely because it was quiet and secluded and it still starkly differs from a public club full of awake club goers. In that case (along with the correlating evidence we have) it’s obvious to me that the killer was taken there, in Liz’s case it strongly suggests due to the witness evidence, that she was forced there; which would appear to be a different MO. This can also be contrasted with Mary Kelly for example, who obviously took the killer to her room. As we also know, Eddowes was also seen quietly talking to a man next to Mitre square with her hand on his chest, where she was discovered deceased just 15 minutes later. Hardly a struggle in comparison!
Not saying she wasn’t a JTR victim like the others as it’s impossible to know, just simply some of the thoughts I can’t help but consider. It’s such an intriguing puzzle!
""in Liz’s case it strongly suggests due to the witness evidence, that she was forced there; which would appear to be a different MO""
But if we believe Schwartz, then Stride was already there in the region of the club/entrance to Dutfields Yard when Broad Shouldered Man drunkenly came along the street and stopped where Stride was. Nor did Schwartz ever see BSM drag Stride into the dark recess of the entrance to Dutfields Yard. Schwartz actually said he tried to pull her into the road then turned her around and pushed her onto the pavement. Nothing about taking her into darkness of Dutfields Yard. It all happened out in the open in plain view of two other men. Nor did Schwartz see any murder. No strangulation, no throat slashing. Just sounds like a drunk walking down the road, getting hawked by a "lady of the night", he took offence and reacted physically. Alternatively, he did the proposing and Stride told him to clear off and her reacted angrily.
No murder was witnessed and no taking or dragging Stride into the dark recess of Dutfields Yard was witnessed.
Greetings 😊
Thats very true, no murder or dragging into the yard was witnessed, but we also have to draw the line at some point and try and make sense of the information we have, or we can happily just assume and make anything up we want to suit a narrative. Granted, both our explanations are essentially “assuming” at this point, but the fact that the body was _found_ a mere 12 minutes after this altercation, leads in a much stronger direction towards it being significant to the murder, rather than choosing to totally deviate from the evidence altogether and assuming the random drunk/lady of the night scenario you mentioned. This would equal to two physical assaults on Liz in the space of around ten minutes. To be fair, that’s not impossible in Whitechapel at the time 😅 but that’s not as convincing of an explanation for me personally. If that satisfies you though, then each to their own, who am I to argue 😊 I can’t see how we’l ever know the truth either way.
We have to also note, if we chose to adopt a view point _as rigid_ and stern as “No murder was witnessed and no taking or dragging Stride into the dark recess of Dutfields Yard was witnessed.” and apply the same rationale to the Lechmere theory, then many aspects of that theory also obviously fall apart too.
Either way, the other two points in my original post are still problems for me, regardless of the timings of the above.
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But we don't even KNOW that what Schwartz said he saw was correct. There are a number of alleged witnesses that night. They can't all be right. Look how Packer changed his story. There is no actual evidence that Schwartz saw such an altercation and no evidence of any pipe man either. In contrast, it's a proven established fact that Charles Lechmere was alone at the body of Polly Nichols at or near the time of death until Robert Paul came along. He even says he was there. With Schwartz it is mere allegation with a phantom person/persons of no identity. We know witnesses can be mistaken or confused. Kelly was "seen" after she was already dead, for example. Other witnesses clearly made things up for whatever reason.
I don't see it being far fetched or even unlikely that Liz Stride was merely roughed up by a drunk walking down the street. I don't think it was uncommon for that to happen to such women. JTR many even have been drawn to Liz BECAUSE of it. He may have watched it and capitalised on it after biding his time a bit. We don't know if he was averse to lingering and watching.
I personally feel it's more far fetched that there were TWO different throat slitting killers of ladies of the night within an hour and less than a mile of each other. Seeing as I feel Liz Stride was killed by the same person who killed Eddowes AND he was disturbed by Diemschutz, I don't think it was BSM. If indeed BSM ever even actually existed. If he did he sounds like a piss head walking down the street.
Do you think JTR would try and pull his victim onto the road in plain view of two other witnesses and then shout out at one of them? Nothing in the other murders says he would.
Is that a real picture of a young Lechmere? 31:45
Interestingly there’s a Lechmere subway stop here in Boston.
It's an AI image based on his older photograph
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Thank you. I thought it looked like a composite.
I look forward to these videos so much. You have sold it to me that it's Lechmere over these videos.
Having long been fascinated by Jack the Ripper, and serial killers in general, I think that Charles Lechmere is most definitely the Whitechapel Murderer. He fits the modern serial-killer profile so distinctly, and completely contradicts the top-hatted toff myth. I don't think there has ever been a documented case of a serial killer belonging to the middle- or upper-middle-classes. Plus, Lechmere's mother was apparently a very over-bearing woman, hence his use of the name Cross at the inquest into the first Ripper murder, because he'd previously been forced to attend an inquest after the death resulting from the cart he was driving. I think he was possibly quite afraid of his mother and didn't wish to suffer her condemnation twice. Add this to all the other evidence against him, and I think it indisputable that he was the killer. Sadly, we can never be 100% sure, so the legend continues.
Shipman.
Great points. However, we don't know with absolute certainty that his mother was overbearing/domineering. That's just a fallacy brought up by people who believe lechmere was the ripper. Secondly, in the inquest in 1875, he did use the name of Charles Cross, which again isn't any admission of guilt because he more than likely used the cross name at work. Cross is not a fake name as the lechmere theorists purport its a legal name he was entitled to use
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Using a different name proves nothing, he might of knew his name would appear in the paper and and wanted nothing to do with it
Thankyou once again Sir
I think we can safely assume Lechmere knew the Whitechapel and City of London areas extremely well. As already pointed out, he had links to a number of the areas through previous addresses or routes he would likely use on his way to work. The second of the double event murders occurs in the City of London police's jurisdiction, and I think this is important. If we take it that he was disturbed at the Liz Stride attempted murder he would know the Met officers would be on a hightened alert and perhaps would be looking throughout the Whitechapel area. I think Ed has proven already that Lechmere was well acquainted with the routine of the beat officers, certainly around where Polly Nichols was murdered. It stands to reason he'd be well aware of the routine of the police in other areas as well.
If he moved into the City, there would be no immediate link to an offence that had just occurred in Whitechapel. Take it from me that the City police and the Met do not routinely talk to each other in real time, and that's in the 21st century with a radio network. It still takes time for messages to be passed between forces, and I'm absolutely certain that would have been the case in the 19th century. The more I think about it, the more I'm certain he chose Mitre Square for this reason. We know he knew the City very well, he worked there, and he knew Whitechapel very well. I think geography at serial murders is very important, and I think this is key in the double event.
Your content continues to evolve, great channel.
Ed is awesome love these videos thank u
Glad you like them!
Ed I love those hats! Looking sharp sir!
Naturally!
Hi Im a big fan well done, can you do a vid on why Lechmere stopped after the torso and ripper murders, I know they do stop sometimes, but its rare what is your opinion best regards jon
I will cover that in a future film!
@@thehouseoflechmere9407I shall look forward to seeing that. PEACE ;]
The only doubt I have about this is the fact that she was seen in a sort of altercation (grabbed or pushed from the sidewalk iirc) and nothing like this had happened in the other jtr murders, but obviously that's just a feeling, things could have happened in a million different ways. About Kosminski I never believed it was him, his profile does not really match and also I don't think he was capable of physically committing the murders, allegedly he was really skinny and weak because he barely ate (and if he did eat it was scrapes he picked up from gutters).
Probably because he propositioned her and she said "Not tonight" which angered him so he turned her round and killed her. She was heard a few minutes earlier saying "Not tonight maybe some other night" to another man. Makes sense, Jack knew she wouldn't go with him somewhere quiet so he got angry and span her round and pushed her to the floor and cut her throat.
My personal opinion is that if Schwartz did see such an altercation with Stride and the broad shouldered man then it could have been just some drunk she accosted, hawking herself. He got offended and reacted physically, being drunk. She then got up (after Schwartz left the area) dusted herself down and continued to linger around the pubs and clubs there for the next customer, who was JTR. It was probably not uncommon to get peeved at ladies of the night being a pest. That's all Schwartz may have seen.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Then if that's the case then she took him to exactly the same spot where schwarz saw the assault. Schwartz saw her being span round and assaulted. And that's how she was killed from behind.
Yes because it was the best place to go and right by the pubs and clubs. If she wanted business then lingering by the pubs and clubs waiting for men to come out is an excellent tactic...and there is a dark recess into a yard right there.
The Broad Shouldered Man never took Stride into the dark recess of the entrance to Dutfields Yard. The altercation took place out on the street. He tried to push/drag her onto the road.
@@lyndoncmp5751 No, he pulled her towards him then turned her around and threw her back into the entrance to the yard. Also several witnesses like Schwartz and brown and another saw Liz before she was killed. Nobody describes seeing her after the assault that Schwartz saw. Also when the doctor came 20 minutes after Schwartz saw the incident. He said she'd been dead around fifteen minutes. Please don't message me again youre getting on my wick now you're talking complete crap!!
Hi buddy. Was wandering if you had a map from point a rill the end of the murders. I went to durward street last week as part of my bucket list and i am heavily in to you as you seem to have so much knowledge. I was also in the leister square by the lodgings you mentioned. Can you drop me a dm please. Many thanks
First one! ! Love listening to Edward Stow.
Well done, sir! There is one point I've wondered about, and that whether the "Juwes" graffiti was actually the Ripper's work. I agree that Lechmere being its author is plausible, but it might have caught Lechmere's attention whilst disposing of the apron fragment and led him to choosing that spot.
Hi Edward I really am fascinated by the link with the Thames torso murders iv enjoyed your 3 films describing these terrible discoveries but would like to hear how you would connect lechmere to the torso tragedies. I can't help thinking his mother must of been quite the character back in the day for a woman to run her own cat meat business and with a couple of bigamist marriages under her belt behind every serial killer is one domineering mother x thankyou for all your well researched and completely individual cases for the prosecution im in agreement with you if i was on the jury you would have my vote
There are previous films by Ed Stow detailing strong links to the torso murders staggering coincidences like one torso found on the exact spot he used to live. The exact spot !
I would love to see an episode about the mother maybe she had something to do with it all cat meat business they thought jack had butchers skills.maybe she picked out the girls.. something in the staging of the bodies was almost feminine and who would suspect a man with an old woman on their escape route? She might of been a cannibal or fed human meat to her cats ...
I've never seen any reason to link Lizabeth Stride to the other murders.
Could you make a playlist of your content please.
I have made a few
Lechmere mastering the art of killing and opening his victims up without spilling a drop of blood Lechmere only crime was using his stepfather name to get a job love how you shoe horn anything that might prove lechmere and ignore or disregard anything that contradicts Lechmere guilt
Could you provide a list of matters that contradict his guilt? Or one item
I guess you also think Ed is "shoe horning" in the FACT that he had extremely close links to the immediate area Stride was killed, and that it would have been a day off work for him afterwards, and he very likely could have been visiting family or old drinking haunts?
None of the five canonical victims were killed in locations, days and times implausible for Lechmere to have been in the vicinity. If Stride and Eddowes were killed on nights where Lechmere should have been in bed, getting ready to get up for work a few hours later then it would be problematic. But they weren't.
It all adds up very neatly.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 No one can provide a list of matters that contradict Lechmere's guilt, just like you CANNOT provide a list of matters that PROVE his guilt. Speculation and theorizing is not PROOF.
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The above poster claimed there were things that contradicted his guilt. I was examining that claim.
The American guy Randy cannot be taken seriously. I've watched his video and it's laughable.
Same here. He's just trying to sell a book. Absurd theory. 😂
@@walkawaycat431 Totally agree.
Most theories are absurd
I have always thought that, as with the Zodiac Killer, Jack the Ripper's victims were the victims of not ONE KILLER but several.
The only reason we believe Jack the Ripper killed 5 women, is due to the same media narrative which gave Jack his entire serial killer name. In fact, a lot of it was the creation of journalists.
And, they've been doing the same ever since with so many others in the 100 or so years.
Simple truth? Jack the Ripper was a golden opportunity for killers to get away with their murders because everyone was under the belief they were another slaughter by Jack.
And nothing much has changed.
It's all about opinions!
The difference with Zodiac is the killings happened in a much bigger area than the east end of London. For there to be so many killers in such a small area is very unlikely.
Very true@@ItsSVO. But, they could've been people who wanted to kill someone and then, there it was; a big news story killer who would be the best 'sheep's clothing'?
It's just seems curious how the public and media like to automatically big it up to being a serial killer?
Like we're looking for somethign to be part of as a people?
The media don't seem to mind it because it makes them money and sells higher volumes of their product.
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And in such a short time frame
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 absolutely!
The police at the time were not prepared to catch a serial killer. Even today with all the advancements in criminology, they are difficult to apprehend.🇺🇸
Very true
The killer was always able to find a victim in a place, or take them to a place, which allowed him time to do his thing. So how did he mess that up with Stride?
I don't think Liz was a Ripper victim. I don't even think he sent any letters.
So there were TWO throat slitting killers of "ladies of the night" within an hour and less than a mile of each other?
It would be cool if u made a video at some point of how u got involved in JTR research
As always, remarkably thorough and well argued. I have never been among those who have thought that Liz Stride was not a Ripper victim. I did not know about Lechmere's strong connections to the area. And turning back, pausing at Goulston Street, his home would be a safe and logical place to go. I'm choosing to remain agnostic as far as known suspects go, but let me say this: Yours is the only known suspect that I would endorse. All the others have massive holes in the reasoning, but I truly find little, in fact no real actual holes, in your arguments. I'm truly a fan. Find out something new with every video. And I have meticulously, obsessively, researched this case.
Thanks!
If the padlock was intended to lock her inside the room, then it would necessarily have to be placed on the outside of the door. So even if she had access to a key, how would she be able to open a padlock on the outside of the door while she was locked inside? Or have I missed something here?? Great work, Edward - and fantastic to see Sex Pistols artwork in a video about JTR! 👏👏
Kidney said he locked it when they both went out. It was never suggested he locked it when she was still inside.
if she was inside when locked shout for friend next door slide key under door heypresto freedom!letchmere is the most likely suspect here as well .One point i would like to make all this stuff jumbled up together makes it dificult to follow ,what i surjest is to take each senairrreo and nummber them 1.2.3 ectttfn&ty
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Ah! My mistake!
Quite brilliant once again , in depth and factual
Another fascinating episode .Curious as to the picture shown at 9:23 ?
It's an AI image, a de-aged Lechmere face on a carman's body - in the description under the film it has a note of who does them
Thank you . Very effective .
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I recall, years ago reading in the paper that a parcel containing lots of letters and stuff about the Ripper had been delivered anonymously delivered to the Police. What happened to it?
Around 1988 some items were returned. I think they are in the public records office
Honestly, I'm not convinced that Liz Stride WAS a Ripper victim.
Did you show a photo of a younger Lechmere? Or just a type photo?
They are created by AI... check in the description where I link to the creator
Edward Snow is a brave whistleblower
A subject that has always interested it makes sense to me cheers Barry Easthope
Great stuff yet again. Im totally with you on all points raised. Little doubt in my mind that JTR killed both Stride and Eddowes.
Those who claim there are no connections between Lechmere and JTR beyond "finding" Nichols' body simply have their heads buried very deeply in the sand. The connections are everywhere as you've demonstrated yet again. They are there in plain black and white.
Id never even thought about the Juwes graffiti being linked to a Jew disturbing him at Stride's body. Interesting. He was definitely disturbed (as well as being disturbed in the head 😉).
I always had a gut feeling that he did a long detour to St Botolphs to the south then west and came up via The Minories area. No evidence for it. Just a hunch.
Keep up the great work Edward ✌️👍
Yes there are good routes to the south. I think maybe he doubled back via Fairclough Street. His first thought on leaving Dutfield's Yard would surely have been to get away and out of sight. Only after that, I guess, would he think to find another victim. There must have been a slight delay in his head.
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That's an excellent point actually. I'd say you're right, that his immediate thought would be to get away from the murder spot and head towards home, so it's logical he headed north first, then quickly decided on NOT doing that and instead find another victim. On the other hand, yes he still could have gone south to Fairclough Street, again with the intention of heading home via a detour swing to the south then east.
Interesting to speculate how long it was before he made his decision. I can't see it being more than a couple of minutes at the most otherwise his second victim would surely have been in the direction of his home?
Then again (🤪) even if he DID start walking home and got a few streets along he still could have stopped and considered the greater certainty of picking up a victim around St Botolphs, which he knew, rather than take the offchance on his route home, as he likely would have deliberately steered clear of picking up somebody on Whitechapel Road again.
Did i miss something.......She was padlocked in a room but got out because she had a key to the padlock that was on the outside of the room 🤔
The padlock was to lock the door when they both went out
Lots of good information here, and I’m impressed by the depth of knowledge and the amount of research, even if I’m ultimately unconvinced. Right off the bat, to include Stride you have to “explain away” a large number of facts inconsistent with the Ripper murders, and they can be summarized as “faithful adherence to the Double Event theory because it has become orthodoxy.” The Double Event is ingrained in ripper mythology, so I wouldn’t expect any “ripperology” fan to conclude otherwise. There’s really no “smoking gun” reason to link Stride conclusively with the other murders, and without an atmosphere of hysteria it might not have been. I think the Lechmere theory has a lot of value, especially compared to many other crackpot theories, but I’m just not convinced that he did Stride. Could Stride be a Ripper victim? Yes, of course. A purported sex worker showing up murdered with her throat cut at a time and place in which a serial killer was operating and murdering sex workers by, in part, slicing their throats would be a massive coincidence. Victimology, geographic profiling and context all suggest a connection, but there are compelling reasons to doubt it. One significant reason, I believe, is that second victim.
But... you've given excellent reasons why Liz Stride should be included and none really to exclude her!
You fail to mention the timing and spatial distance between the two murders: they certainly coincide with a guy fleeing one murder, heading off to Aldagate, and committing another asap, once a decent distance away from the first. How many coincidences is one too many?
Thanks. What a wonderful takedown of Randy Williams parochially American effort to conjure and apply a Cold War radical conspiracy! . . . and peppered with Kropotkin, no less. 🙂
Ha yes
12:05 Never mind the fact that it’s just such an overly complicated theory. Conspiracies do happen, of course, but secrets of that magnitude rarely stay secret for long - the more people involved, the greater the risk of that knowledge becoming more generally available. It’s the same argument one can deploy to dismiss the nonsense about Sir William Gull or the Freemasons. Ockam’s razor isn’t just some fancy terminology; it’s a foundational principle of epistemology.
Yes
..... Nobody knows, and nobody ever will 🤷
i think red herrings just confuse the issue
I just saw something that made me think, lechmere may have killed Eddowes outside of east end to get both London police forces involved an complicate things more
Possibly
Fabulous examination of known facts. Yes I agree, it fits Lechmere like a glove. We'll done Ed great research. The only thing bugging me is that if the murderer was disturbed by the approaching cart was it heard by him well before diemshitz stopped to open the gate ? Would he have started the attack if he heard a cart coming ? How much time had elapsed between the cut on her neck and the discovery by Louis D ? I had always doubted Liz as being one of the canonical 5 but now I am convinced she was and you have shown how Lechmere could be her killer. I'm going to rewatch last 10mins. Oooooh ti's a treat
Maybe he felt somewhat hidden in the dark recess of Dutfields Yard and expected the horse and cart he could hear would pass by so he stayed where he was, crouching. Then when it slowed and started to turn to go into the yard he then had to back further into the yard out of sight??
Yes that scenario sounds about right
@@lyndoncmp5751 I see. That makes sense
If Maryanne marshall of Mary anne St found Charles Lechmeres sister dead did her husband, who was a witness at liz strides inquest, know Lechmere by sight ? If I heard right.
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Yeah, sod's law for the Ripper that the horse and cart he heard coming along the street would be going exactly where he was killing. I bet that REALLY peed him off in the hesd once he managed to escape. His first thought would have been survival, as Ed pointed out to me in another post. But as soon as he suceeded in escaping he must have been seething inside.
Her boyfriend...same as Mary Kelly!!
Great video. Some ludicrous theories here but Randy Williams' is beyond farfetched. The idea of Socialist/ Anarchists, who sympathised with the downtrodden streetwalkers, killing them to highlight their plight is bizarre. And how would they explain the careful mutilations and arrangement of organs in the murders that reveal a sick motive? The sighting on Church Lane could be Lechmere. Two of the descriptions describe a man with a peaked cap and short or dark jacket.
Could be that Saucy Jacky cut it short with Liz (in every sense of the word) so he could indulge in Edowes better. All the attention and police presence would’ve been down there and so would’ve served the purpose of distraction. Also quite a remarkable pic of Lechmere with the long coat n hat n all. New one or computer animation?
And Fanny Mortimer.. I assume her name didn’t mean anything else back then..
My eyes may have been glued at the Red Label in the background staring back at me so poured one myself. Cheers 🥂
It's an AI pic
Another terrific video, squire.
But that's two out of two where you've shown *the wrong Scotland Yard*!
I showed the new one, next door to the old one, as it has a big sign. I also showed the new Thames Magistrates briefly in the previous film.
I will never be convinced she was a ripper victim. I think Martha tabram was tho
Wow so there were TWO throat slitting killers of "ladies of the night" within an hour and less than a mile from each other?
Ok.
Another excellent video thanks. With regards to Liz Stride being attacked by BS man I think it’s noteworthy she had no injuries. No blacks eyes, bruises, burst lips or defence wounds. Apart from the fatal neck wound that killed he she had no other injuries.
So she doesn’t seem to have been the victim of a murderous assault.
I think she was soliciting, and a guy just threw her to the ground. With respect to poor Liz not everyone who would want to be accosted by a prostitute, and some guys might react in this way.
Yep. Same feeling here. Just a drunk guy walking down to street and taking umbrage at being accosted by "one of them tarts" (not my wording). Being drunk, he overreacted physically.
Or it might not have been her!
Inspector Stow does it again
Does anyone know if there are any existing examples of Lechmere's hand writing? Even just the letters in his signatures could be compared to the message that was scrawled on the wall. I'm assuming a photo was taken of it.
Yoiu are assuming wrong, I'm afraid - no photo exists of the graffiti. But there are signatures by Lechmere, so his handwriting can be looked at in various documents.
@@christerholmgren335 - I assume you’ve looked at these documents, Mr. Holmgren. Any opinion on the veracity or otherwise of the alleged JtR letters when comparing the handwriting to his signature? It’d be a layperson’s view, understandably, but has there been any sort of inkling that there’s some connexion here that solidified your thinking with regard to CAL as the likely culprit?
@@feliscorax Although I do not rule out that one or more of the letters could be genuine, I do not include them in the accusation act. It is too much either or to offer any substance.
@@christerholmgren335 For what it’s worth, I think this is probably the most reasonable position to adopt on the matter. Thank you for your answer.
@@feliscorax You’ re quite welcome!
jack must have had differant knifes on him because eddowes had little nicks on her face which be very hard to do with a 6 inch knife
Could the goulston St Message be refering to Joseph Lavende,Joseph Hyan-Levy & Harry Harris,the last people to see Catherine Eddowes alive in Church Passage ?
Maybe
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Although he could have been refering to them & the anarchist's club together. Also it's pretty odd syntax ,almost shakespearean or perhaps someone with dyslexia.
Didn’t know long Liz was actually Swedish
awesome presentation Edward I think Liz was definitely a victim of Jack
What I wonder about is the state of mind of JTR at the time of the murders. Obviously killing people (especially like this) isn't ever particularly sane but how far into fantasy and out of reality was he likely to be? Our general impression of a killer leaving victims with these wounds would be someone completely filled with rage and lost in the moment - psychotic, I suppose - but avoiding capture somewhat contradicts that idea a little, unless he was simply lucky or surrounded by incompetence. I suppose I wonder about that aspect because it's likely to have major bearing on why the murders ended or what he did next.
I expect the truth is he'd have to be both rage-filled and psychotic in the act but be able to come back down from that afterwards enough to have the wherewithall to escape crime scenes and not attract too much attention in his general life.
Very Compelling, Edward....If the Letters from JTR or even one of them, is real, then the Double Event is the same killer....Probably used a smaller knife with Liz Stride, because he was wearing good clothes with smaller pockets to hide the knives and blood wud have shown on his jacket, if he pocketed the knife he used, before Diemshutz left to get help...Catherine Eddowes wud have seen the blood on him and raised the alarm, as others were around and saw a Mystery Man (JTR) talking 2 her.....He probably had a sheath for the knives, but only guessing, though did wipe the knife he used on Eddowes on a piece of her apron on the way home, Edward.......BTW, his carman clothes for sure, wud have been able to conceal an even larger knife....Robert Paul did not see a knife on Cross/Lechmere, but if he was the killer, then it was still on him, being unable to dispose of the knife, as Paul approached....Some interesting theories as to who killed Liz Stride, but common sense rules them out, Edward....If it was Kosminski, he wudn't have gone to Mitre Square with Police Everywhere at that time of night and them aware that JTR was still at large....He wud have gone straight home, but not JTR (Lechmere), as he was psychotic and in the mood to kill, as U said, Edward....Cheers fm Damo🤔🤲
Interesting ideas
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Cheers Edward😊👍
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Good input there 👍
@@lyndoncmp5751 Cheers Lyndon😊👍
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I really like ur way of proving and dissproving all the many bits of evidence n how likely to b reliable x
Thank you
I go back and forth on Stride. There are things that absolutely say to me, the ripper didn't kill her, but other things that maybe do. I also don't buy the time old "disturbed" theory. I think that is a long passed down "Chinese whisper" that probably bares little to resemblance actual reality. We know there was a witness to Stride being assaulted. This is very likely her killer, who in turn probably wasn't the ripper, but obviously we can't know for sure.
The disturbed theory was suggested at the outset by the police.
I'm really on the fence with Stride, Jack's other victims were attacked in very quiet locations, dark corners, secluded areas although the Hanbury street event was very risky i just find the fact that Jack would attack Stride next to a very busy club along with people still walking up and down the street harder to believe, but then again i get why Eddowes happened as his lust for blood was not satisfied. Don't think i'll ever make my mind up. Your knowledge of this case is fantastic i might add.
@leejames1792 Interesting that you're puzzled by the location of the murder "next to a very busy club along with people still walking up and down the street" and yet, as you say, it's a fact! Do you surmise that it was by a different killer for a different reason?
I dont think it's all that more risky than Bucks Row, Hanbury Street or Mitre Square really.
The theory that the killer was disturbed in Liz’s case is no more proven than the possibility she wasn’t jacks kill. Jack never left proof and was never caught or disturbed in any other case. So I think It’s more than reasonable to assume that she wasn’t a victim. Plus if he was nearly caught would he risk another murder the same night? I’m not an expert but I’d think not. He’d most likely hide out at home for a bit and take his frusration out on his family. In some way. Or people he knows. He seemed clever he wouldn’t take that risk police being out in force after the kill
For me it's a better assumption than here being TWO DIFFERENT throat slitting killers of ladies of the night.... within less than a mile and an hour of each other.
The double event kind of reminds me of Ted Bundy. He tried and failed to kill Carol DaRonch but he ended up NOT going home and hiding from the police and instead drove around and took a young lady from a high school play. We can't know what frustrations these people build up to the point of having to fulfil their demons. I think the Ripper was majorly frustrated about being disturbed. That would probably override self survival.
For the 'reasonable' test, it can't be proved, as I said in the film, to degree of absolute certainty, that any of the murders were linked. But reasonably, they were, due to similarities in site location, victim, time, geography, weapon and wound.
He was probably also disturbed in the Nichols, Mackenzie, Coles and Mylett cases - assuming, of course the same person was responsible. At least all of these cases show indications, in one way or another, that the culprit was disturbed.
This is hardly surprising as that part of the East End was very densely populated which obviously enhances the risk of being disturbed.
But the culprit was clearly a risk taker to a very high degree which also negates your point about going one murder to another on the same night.
I love watching TH-cam channel a few times I think le grande was a scammer 👍🇮🇪
Yes he was
Of all the crazy, far fetched JTR conspiracy theories, I thought Randy’s made the most sense. The details of the murders of Emma and Martha lend credence to his compelling theory.
However, there are big holes in it. He doesn’t account for earlier or later murders. And the Thames torso murders. This scheme, if it’s true, didn’t achieve his goal of defaming the Catholic Church and ending prostitution. But I agree with Ed and Chris. Great video!
Some of the ripper suspects had mental issues, a few to the point of insanity.
Is there any evidence of Lechmere having such issues?
No. But serial killers seldom have obvious mental health issues.
I'd said it was probably Michael Kidney because it definitely wasn't the Ripper
The police initially thought it might be Michael Kidney; they interrogated him and were evidently satisfied with his alibis.
@@thomashahn631 they were also incompetent enough not to realise that the killer of Polly Nichols actually testified at her inquest so I don't really think that says much for Michael Kidney's innocence.
Let me guess? Lechmere?
again can't pronounce ascertained (not a-certained which doesn't exist etc), exigencies ....! Surprising given the subject. Bit pompous but still interesting, thanks
What I don't get about the Schwartz situation is that Wess who was a prominent figure at the socialist club on Berner Street came forward to say that the attacker was pursued but got away. The only man chased from the scene that we know is Schwartz himself. I am still confused by this detail. No one even talks about it. To the point where it makes me questions Schwartz's account.
Wess spoke at the club on 1st October and said he'd heard a story from someone else that someone was chased. He was reporting garbled gossip. Possibly referring to the Schwartz incident - with Schwartz's account possibly being the basis of this story. He was probably excitedly making out he knew more than he actually did - as people tend to do. He left the club and when home before the supposed Schwartz incident took place.
Wess didn't mention any of this in the inquest testimony he gave on the same day. Probably because it was heresy and not based on his first hand knowledge.
My take on Liz stride murder is that she was waiting to see mr. Diemschutz at the club to look for a job. She could speak Yiddish and earlier on that day she had borrowed a bar of soap. She waited at the gate for him and when a man wanted to pay for sex she refused. Fearing she would miss Diemschutz and an argument occurred and while Isreal Schwartz approached her witnessed that argument. I think the man slit her throat. Schwartz ran off.Fanny Mortimer said she was standing at her door between 12:30 and 1am who saw a man with a black doctors bag walked passed. Never heard anything. The noise from the club must have been loud. I know these are circumstances and cannot be proved just incidents that fits into place.
It was Annie Chapman who was involved in a borrowed soap incident. Fanny Mortimer didn't see that incident although she must have been there as she saw Goldstein with the black bag
Many thanks for the reply. Did she not also hear as she stated:"the steady pace of a policeman walking past"? This could have been Liz waiting for Diemschutz. I dont think Liz was a ripper victim; she must have been very unlucky to have been attacked (witnessed by Schwartz then to be killed by the ripper. I think this highly unlikely. @@thehouseoflechmere9407
I really don't like the term canonical five never have I use it in my own research notes because it's easier than constantly writing McNaughton 5 I prefer to name Sue Melville McNaughton in most cases when I reference the generally accepted 5 victim
I use it as a short hand but it's a nonsense
Love your Ripper videos. I reckon the Ripper killed a lot more than 5 women? What do you think? Many do you think he killed?
OT: Is that a bottle of Johnny Walker Red Label behind you? You need to find a better scotch, mate. ;)
Ha
Hey, we aren't all rich. I've got a bottle of that too. Deal of the day on Amazon 😂
@@lyndoncmp5751Try Aberlour, a very reasonably priced single malt. If you can afford the internet you can afford a bottle of single malt 😉
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Actually I didn't buy it. It is one of those bottles that somehow ends up in your house for some odd reason. Someone left it or someone gave it to me for some obscure reason. Whiskey isn't my drink of choice anyway. But it's there as a prop! Set dressing!
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Ah that's why I have all those whisky bottles in my house. They just ended up there for no reason. 🤪
I guess lots of people who don't really drink spirits still buy them for others (parties etc) or get them as gifts.
Its a good prop, yes. 😁
Wasn't 'jack'--- he was already prowling/searching at Mitre Square when she was murdered. As he escaped he probably ran smack right into the chaos of the first murder and this 'rattled' him enough for him to flee the Batty St. lodging.
So there were TWO throat slitting killers of ladies of the night within less than a mile and an hour of each other?
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He got into his lodgings at Batty Street without being challenged by the police. It was very close to the Stride crime scene. Which lodgings did this phantom flee to on Batty Street? I hope you don't think no22 as we know who was living there...
it was KOSMINSKY. No one else...
Not a jot of evidence for Kosminski. JTR was almost certainly NOT some outwardly abnormal nutter who needed to be put in an asylum. They don't tent to be like that.
I am not sure Lechmere was responsible at all. He should have been questioned, but that is all. This killer was a mimum risk taker. If Lechmere was going to work, then he should not have had blood on him, but he could have. This was the risk.
You think Jack the Ripper was a minimum risk taker? Interesting!
Most serial killers take risks and JTR was no different. The fact the killer was interrupted twice only proves this point.
I tend to think Lechmere was not the ripper but jack the ripper took tremendous risks at getting caught at all his crime scenes without a doubt.Question is did he get a buzz out of that.