Glad to see another person who understands about TOH's cancelation. If you wanna get mad about a show getting the shaft because of LGBTQ+ rep, you should look more at Steven Universe. Rebecca Sugar fought tooth and nail to be able to get Saphire + Ruby, and was only able to show them as a couple by arguing that the Gems don't have gender because they're rocks. The show was heavily censored in other countries with dubs changing Ruby from female pronouns to male, and when Rebecca finally won the battle to get the Garnet wedding, the show finally got canceled because Sugar wanted to put Ruby in a dress, with Sapphire in a suit so that it couldn't be erased in other countries. That resulted in the episode strait up not airing in some countries, and CN said no more. The Crewniverse had so much more planned after that, but they ended up having to cut an entire arc down to only five 11 minute episodes to be able to finish the story. This resulted in the final arc being heavily rushed, and the Diamond redemption feeling forced and unearned. Did I mention that even THAT had to be fought for? The only reason we got Steven Universe Future was because of fan outcry, condemning CN for canceling SU over queer representation. I know this isn't a Disney show, but SU is such an important milestone for LGBTQ+ representation in western animation. SU crawled so that TOH could run a marathon.
And I love how some people have already said: “stop defending them!” I’m not defending them for what they did to The Owl House. I think it was a very dumb decision that was made in a time period where budgets were tight and things were uncertain. They clearly realize that they made a mistake, and have made a point of not repeating those mistakes. Some people are just allergic to the concept of nuance.
As much as I hate Disney, I have to agree that not everyone in the studio feels that way about representation. And you are right! SU walked so TOH could run! And for that I will always be grateful for the show!💜
Honestly, the fact that Dana and crew were stuck with the shittiest hand imaginable, and yet were still able to make 3 solid specials that manages to make an entertaining series of stories that wrapped up most of the lose ends the story had to deal with is insanely impressive. I hope Dana moves on to bigger and better things.
I didn't know Brooklyn was trans, but that adds the layer of her being a trans girl IN SPORTS, another important piece of representation considering recent politics
Actually if you look closely at her bottle it has a badge that says ‘Trans is beautiful’ well something to that effect so that and the VA being trans is a hint but I understand it’s details some can miss. But yeah it’s pretty cool she’s part of the basketball team
The clip of Luz coming out to her mom and her being so supportive hugging them both and Gus with the flags!!! Will never cease to make to warm my heart. I know i wouldn’t get the same response from my family, but if I’m a mother one day, I know I would support my kids
it was so cute but I'm still rly upset that it only lasted for a few seconds, if Disney didn't cancel it(shorten it down) then maybe we could've had half of one or even a whole episode on luz coming out
One thing than I wanted to point out is than in general male gay characters tends to be less in number and less important than lesbian characters in this kind of shows. This isn't an absolute just a statisitcal avrege. That is because it's often easyer to pass off Lesbian relationships as friendships or cut them off completly, in countries who don't want to brodcast LGBTQ themes. After all a bad girl it's fine but a danty man, that is a CALAMITY * sarcasm *
Yeah, plus the fetishising of lesbians is definitely a factor since a lot of homophobes won't immediately complain about seeing women kissing because it turns them on. Yet when they see men kissing, it makes them physically recoil. It's such a strange double standard and it also makes me super fucking uncomfortable how a weird amount of straight guys view us as an exception as long as we stay as essentially sex objects for them. Compared to gay men, who they'll immediately accuse of "child touching" and devil worship, as well as bringing out every slur they can think of.
I hadn't gotten a chance to watch the Tangled cartoon yet, so hearing that Cassandra is gay-coded, I was like: "OH~ 😶 That explains all the fan art..."
After I found out Geoff and Jeff were a couple, it was so fun to go back through season one and the beginning of season two and catch the little moments they put in of Jeff. Like the moment you already put in at the coffee shop, but also we see them standing next to each other when Scratch is talking to the ghost world in the season two premiere, or in “A Very Hungry Ghost” when they’re doing the couples thing where you feed each other, you know the thing, right? I know they’re small and easily missed, but they add another level of this showing that they always were planning that set up and pay off.
I would like to point out that Dana confirmed that Willow is pan and Hunter is bi! Also, there is Masha, the character with non binary nails and a they/them nametag. I think that's everyone.
The only thing I hate is creators only confirming if a character is LGBT+ on social media and not in the show. They get an entire show to say "oh btw this character is ace" or something but instead they just say it in a tweet or make it super vague. In 2023 that doesn't cut it as the bare minimum anymore and is bad rep. Either say it clearly in the show or it's not cannon, you can't put zero effort in and eat your cake, too.
@@stargalaxy3639 It’s 2023. There’s no reason to “play it safe” anymore other than to keep bigots satisfied and no one wants that. Plus, a few seconds of a character saying what they are isn’t gonna grind the plot to a halt.
hunter is also confirmed to be bi and willow is confirmed to be pan! so the owl house shows 3 different types of bi relationships: 2 people of the same gender, 2 people of the opposite gender, and a relationship between a nonbinary person and a binary person
-Masha from the owl house -Perry the platypus from Phineas and ferb and Milo murphy's law -Lord dominator from Wander over yonder. There are many coded characters in the show (all the main 4) but dominator is confirmed - I don't think you are counting movies too but Priya from turning red -Wendy from gravity falls also likes girls -I think same goes for Star but I'm not sure -Disney Jr shows T.O.T.S, Eureka (I think?), and the lion guard. -Mr.X from amphibia -I don't know if Miraculous ladybug counts or not, but it has some of representation: •Juleka and rose •Marc and Nathaniel •Zoe • The teacher and her wife •Alix •Max -I know Huntlow/Winter is technically M/F ship but it still counts.
Dangit, I forgot Mr. X this time around; he’s in the compilation video I did last month though. And I did show Masha! I just didn’t mention them. Also, I feel like they said Perry is ace just so people would stop trying to ship him with Doof or give him a girlfriend.
Not only do I also believe representation matters, I think it's shameful that my own people (Americans) want to destroy it; particularly LGBTQIA+ rep. How can we call ourselves "the greatest nation on earth" if we can't accept EVERYONE
@@SilverScribe85 apparently we challenge the status quo way too much for cisgender people in power so they characterize us as helpless, idiotic, mentally ill monsters. they're trying to seperate us from the rest of society so they can get rid of us (genocide)
12:01 Star Butterfly herself was pretty much confirmed as bisexual. In a S3 or 4 episode Star is shown attracted ot not just Marco but also Brunzetta whose a warrior woman. Later she is shown sitting between the two while riding a beast and they added the bisexual flag colors as shes looking at them.
Blushing doesn't always mean romantic attraction and spoliers and Keith and Lance were shown with the gay and bi flag and turned out being straight and yes I know bi people can date the opposite gender but that clearly isn't the case here
@@michalelkin-bronner13 ok yes that is true and usually it’s the whole face being red to indicate attraction but mmm it’s hard to tell exactly with Star…she might be Bi🤷♀️
I love kids are getting more representation I wish for more and still hunt out more Asexual representation as an adult Asexual cause I love being seen. I'm glad kids get any representation from the beginning
More ace rep is a must, but I think I understand why companies don’t add it.. cuase being ace mean experiencing little to no sexual attraction, so if they add it in people can complain about there being “sEx” in a kids show 😭
Along with aro rep! I have seen one show add aro rep, that being toh, but it was aroace rep not just aro, which is still amazing! But I would also like just aro rep and just ace rep
as an aroace i don’t really know about there being openly asexual characters in kids shows… you really can’t explain much of their identity without talking about some pretty sexual stuff, and if it really isn’t even acknowledged it feels like they just added them for diversity points BUT ID KILL FOR MORE ARO REPRESENTATION
As an aroace I would of loved to see aro or ace representation would of been nice to hear it’s okay to not being attracted to anyone and don’t wanna be in a romantic relationship, I guess I want others to know it’s okay and they aren’t broke or whatever, seeing myself in a show would of helped a lot, even if it was small it’s pushed that you need romance to be happy. In general I would love to see more representation even if it’s small
Jeff is proof of my theory that what truly makes a stud, is how much of a sweetheart they are. And Jeff calling Scratch out for his treatment of Geoff is proof that he's an awesome husband.
Also for Amphibia I think (former) Mayor Toadstool and Toadie are implied to be a couple (and just for clarification Toadie is an adult he's just small) and while I don't think anything has been confirmed, you can't convince me that there wasn't something more going on with Andrias, Barrel and Leif
I wanted to also mention for Tangled the Series, in it’s cancelled spin off series, Varian and the Seven Kingdoms, Varian was supposed to have a male love interest named Hugo!
LGBT+ rep is very important because it’s important to normalize it. They exist and It’s simply a part of life. There’s going to encounters of people who are a part of the community. People out there likely have family and/or friends who are LGBT+, and/or a part of the community themselves. It’s important for media to not only represent the LGBT+ community, but all sorts of different backgrounds like different sexual orientations, genders, family configurations, races, ethnicities, etc.
Somewhat related to this video, but I remembered Josie Totah(a transgender actress who voiced Natalie in Big Mouth) and looked her up to see what else she was featured in and found out she played Stuart from Jessie before she transitioned.
What you said at the end about how media can't change people's sexual orientation or identity is spot on. Similarly put, it's like a person's race. You are born a certain race and can't change it, just as you can't change whether you are LGBTQ+ or not. Positive media representation can help children feel more secure and comfortable and that's what matters.
I'm so glad my parents made me watch movies with straight people in it, otherwise I'd be gay. Oh wait, I'm gay. I guess I'll just watch gay stuff to cancel it out
This was a great video!! I love seeing such well done representation in Disney media. TOH in particular definitely means a lot to me. Also I gotta watch that episode of The Ghost and Molly McGee now after watching that clip 🤣🤣🤣 ( not currently caught up with the series ). AND CASSANDRA IS CONFIRMED TO BE CANONICALLY QUEER!!!??? Another mind-blowing fact that I learned recently is that Perry is also canonically ace ( which I lost sleep over the day I learned that ). Also I appreciate you taking the time to explain the behind the scenes stuff in regards to TOH and Nimona. I wish a lot more people were aware of those facts.
It was heavily implied in the Big Hero Six: The Series that Wasabi is gay. Fred even makes a joke that people are going to make WasabiXFred ships. Big Hero Six: The Series was also another series that got cancelled during COVID.
As a bisexual teen learning that Luz was bi was an absolute game changer for me! I already related to Luz from the beginning and her being bi was just the icing on the cake! Not to mention her and Amity’s relationship is just so cute! It doesn’t matter if they’re gay or not, the ship is very well written and realistic. Personally that’s all that matters, I would rather have great characters that are lgbtq than just lgbtq characters. They don’t shove it in people’s faces that they’re gay and just show a healthy couple. Idk if u know this show but She-ra Princess of Power did not do this right. She-ra is a Dreamworks show but the main couple Catra and Adora get compared to Amity and Luz but I just don’t see it other than surface level stuff. I won’t go into detail for triggering reasons but Catra was absolutely terrible to Adora throughout almost the whole show. They had a toxic relationship, Catra’s redemption arc was rushed and unrealistic, there was no real confirmation they liked eachother till the end of the series and their romance just felt shoe-horned in. Their relationship was extremely toxic and people tried making excuses for it because it was a gay ship. If Catra was a guy the internet would be outraged. They used the fact that their gay as an excuse. Which is absolutely terrible and insensitive to victims who have been in similar situations to Adora. Some people think a ship being lgbtq automatically means it’s a good ship which I highly disagree with. While yes I love queer romance but I want it to be healthy and positive too. Sorry for the essay but I just thought I’d mention this. LGBTQ rep is great, just don’t use it as an excuse to have a terrible story. It doesn’t save the quality, trust me.
Yeah, reminds me of people that ship Bakugo and Deku. Like miss maam????? There couldn’t be any more toxic pairing in the show??? Bakugo literally tells deku to jump off a building and I feel either people romanticize his toxicity or just want it because it would be gay probably both.
To be fair, sometimes people ship characters because they like to fantasize Abuser X Victim relationships. I don't judge people like that, so long as they don't have those sorts of attitudes for IRL relationships. Now, if they ship Bakugo X Deku and will FIGHT YOU about it, THEN you should be concerned.
@@alexandriahunt6058wait, but couldn't bakudeku still fall under abuser x victim? because if we look at how bakugou has treated him in the past and up to his apology deku, it definitely has that vibe
One of my favourite shows with LGBTQ+ Rep in it is John Finnemore’s Souvenir Programme. It is a radio show you can listen to on BBC sounds. They do sketch comedies. And in quite a lot of them, they use our heteronormative minds to help with the joke. There is one where there is a conversation between two guys and it’s not going at all well or fun. And the punchline is, “Been on many dates?” “Hundreds.” “Any second dates?” “Not one.” They hadn’t established it was a date beforehand and because they were both guys, many of our brains didn’t immediately think it was a date. So when that was revealed it made the punchline so much funnier. They also just have gay couples in general in normal sketches, perhaps because there are only 5 actors in all the sketches, when having a couple in a sketch being able to mix and match gay couples gives much more permutations for the sketches. And in the 9th season which is a bit different to the first 8 we have a lesbian couple on the 1910’s who have a baby together, with the sperm provided by the brother of one of them so the other mum could be as close to the baby as possible genetically speaking. And the brother, as it happens, is AroAce. We also see later down the line in this family in 2020 a gay couple with a kid who are the descendants of that lesbian couple. One of the cast, Caroline Quinlan has a wife. I don’t know whether she is gay or bi or something else, but she is in a same sex relationship. I highly recommend giving the show a listen if you get the chance.
I couldn't get this out of my head when you first said it, but I have a really hard time agreeing with the idea that Disney (the company) is not homophobic especially after it came out that they gave funds to Florida's "Don't Say Gay bill in 2022 and only said they'd stop doing giving political donations in Florida for the time being once they got called out for it. Disney is not a morally good company and that's been clear throughout its career. I don't think that extends to their workers especially to the ones who fought for any kind of rep on screen through their media. Any claim that Disney is not homophobic should not be protected by them having rep in their TV shows because it was not Disney who did the work to put it there; Disney was the force that its animators and writers had to fight tooth and nail against to have it be there. The same can be said about Cartoon Network and Steven Universe. Yes, Disney is allowing more leeway but again that is thanks to the animators begging for it and the audiences showing their support for the shows with this rep, and lets be honest here, they could do a lot better rep wise then what they've allowed. In reality , confirmations off screen by the creators, signs of queerness passively existing in their creation via a flag or a nail color, or said queerness mainly occurring through minor characters who the audience does not see often is not amazing rep; its the bar minimum. So far, we've gotten a few cases where main characters are actually openly and undeniably queer and its sad. I will admit that we've gotten farther rep wise and I am proud of that, but thats not due to the conglomerate that views us as commodities. It's due to the creators who refused to back down and take the easy way out when it came down to their queer characters. Until Disney shows on a political and financial front that as company they are pro-LGBTQ+ when its not just profitable, I am going to continue to view them as homophobic.
I said this to someone else, but I think ‘corporations are people’ is super dumb. People run corporations. People work for corporations. A brand is an idea, and that can be powerful, but it takes people to make things happen. People like former CEO Bob Chapek choose to do things like not stand up against the Don’t Say Gay bill until being pressured to do so by many, MANY Disney employees and Cast Members. But there’s also people like former CEO Michael Eisner, who in the 90’s actually made a big point of ensuring that gay employees got the same benefits for their spouses. And Bob Iger’s spoken up as an ally for the community many times. (Although his comments about the unions recently were, uh… Not great, but that’s another issue entirely.) And there’s so many LGBTQ+ people who have worked for Disney, past and present. Including amazing people like Bob Gurr (who’s just one of the coolest people on the planet) and the late great Howard Ashman. If anything was gonna push them even more towards having more consistently queer content, I think DeSantis is doing a really good job at turning them away from ever wanting anything to do with the Florida Republicans. Ultimately, it’s like my friend Tony Goldmark once said, capitalism is not your ally. But it is a good yardstick. They clearly see that doing stuff for the LGBTQ+ community is way more lucrative than trying to continue placating the bigots like they’ve been for so long. It’s not that the sensors were homophobic per se, it’s that they didn’t want to piss off One Million Moms. And… then they realized that didn’t matter. The bigots are on the wrong side of history, and I think the reason why they’re being so aggressively loud right now is because they realize that they’re dying out. But yes, you’re absolutely correct, Disney as a brand doesn’t deserve the credit for the representation we’ve gotten, because it’s all thanks to the creators and staff who make these shows possible.
I think Marco Diaz was planned to be a trans girl too from what I heard. Also Varian from the Tangled series I think was gonna have a spin off where he has a male love interest named Hugo, but it wasn’t made because Disney felt Varian wasn’t a popular enough character where people would watch.
Yes! Yes! Yes! I love this video of yours!! We need the representations, we need to acknowledge that lgbtq+ is real, and it can't be changed over night!
Fun fact for the Geoff segment! Back in season 1 you can see Jeff with Geoff I remember one I think it’s in the one where grandma Nin and the kids bake food for the ghosts (I forgot the name) and 1 other time in a group I think in the premire of season 2
Seeing that “warning” in the beginning made me very happy :) thank you so much for all the hard work you put into these wonderful videos! Keep up the good work :D
May I just say i loved that u were so chill talking about this, as a lesbian myself, I’m so happy that people are talking about this. (SIDE NOTE, Masha from TOH is also non-binary and in one of their designs they have the non-binary flag colours painted on their nails!)
I honestly wish that had been present in their debut😅 because in their debut they seem to be presenting themselves as a girl hence why I assumed that and the only reason I know they’re non-binary was by accident through trivia on Tai’s character page because i had no idea who Marsha was until I saw their picture. I had to quickly fix my story to update this information 😅 so either they figured out this info after Vee moved in with Camilia or they hadn’t ‘come out’ yet hence why in their debut they seem to be female presenting at least in the outfit and hair part🤷♀️ so yeah 😅 that made me feel really embarrassed 😞
Yes because straight people aren't the only ones who should be represented it's good to see different sexualities and different gender identities but LGBTQ and straight ships should not be a war we just want the characters to be happy not forced into relationships for the straights to feel satisfied all I'm saying is we should stop attacking each other and really see the problems that need to be solved pedophilia fictional or real Racism Proshippers I could go on but you get the point
As a straight person, I love to see these kinds of representation. I don't really watch all the shows discussed in this video, but the ones I do watch, like The Owl House and TGAMM, do a perfect job at LGBTQ representation, where it's done in a very respectful and tactful way that doesn't feel like pandering, but at the same time is unquestionably LGBTQ. Lumity is just as adorable and sweet as any well made straight relationship I've seen, and while I still do think Disney does a lot of performative progressivism (Because Lefou dancing with a dude for like 1 second in the 2017 Beauty and The Beast is the most amazing thing for gay rep ever!), the shows you mentioned are definitely not examples of that, and I really do hope we get more awesome LGBTQ rep in the future! And speaking of awesome LGBTQ content, I saw The Birdcage a while back. Amazing movie, definitely check it out!
What is it with lesbian representation and being perfectly fine but when it’s a male couple that can only be hinted at ok ko for example enid and red action are allowed an on screen kiss while boxman and professor venomous are only allowed hinting I guess
@@SunnylandProds that is true and from what I have seen they are pretty cute I love how obnoxiously buff geoff is I always get a chuckle out of that sort of thing also I can somewhat relate to the fact there name's are the same because while my ex girlfriend didn't share my name she had the same name as my mom which made things pretty awkward at time
There's also Lexington from Gargoyles who Weisman (the producer who confirmed Irma). The show got a spinoff comic in the 2006 SLG comics which had Lex crushing on a dude gargoyle named Staghart who prefers Amp. Thankfully Gargoyles got a 2022 comic followup, and they are actually doing something with Lex being gay, and dating Staghart/Amp. Sadly they've got a long-distance relationship going, but hopefully the Phoenix Gate will be a shipper and give the two a chance.
Disney cancelling a show over LGBT representation yet claims they are woke and up to speeds on society is the most hypocritical BS I’ve ever heard in my life
Wait a minute cass was a lesbian that makes so many already weird scenes even weirder now especially the sub plot where eugene feels left out and like he has nothing to do which is accurate but it adds another layer considering cass is basically trying to steal his girlfriend from him is this some elaborate affair plot that we didn’t know about am I going crazy
I love the opening in particular because of how it puts to words better than what I can what I’ve been thinking of for ages. I wholeheartedly support LGBTQ+ representation in media. I also think it needs to be done in varying degrees, be it main characters like Luz and Amity, side characters like Becker in Hailey’s On It, or background characters like Violet’s two dads in Ducktales. I think most shows should have at least one character confirmed LGBT, though if we get some shows without anything, that’s perfectly fine, too. Sometimes shows just don’t feature romance and there’s not much reason to go in depth on orientation, which is totally okay. As a tangent- I may not do much shipping on my own, but I absolutely respect fan works and interpretations for peoples’ favorite shows. And shows that don’t get the main character a significant other/establish their preferences are nice since there’s no pesky canon and it’s basically a blank slate to have fun and be creative. Fan interpretations aren’t the be all/end all and don’t replace proper representation in media, naturally. I just think that if a story doesn’t focus on those aspects, fans getting to have fun with their own headcanons is a respectable byproduct. Ultimately, tangent aside, I do believe representation in media is important and majorly respect where we are with these kinds of things in the industry. And I stand by believing most shows should feature it to some degree, big or small. We’re all people, after all, enjoying media and everyone deserves to feel represented and valid when engaging in these kinds of stories.
Personally, I think LGBTQ+ representation is fine and people should be able to accept that. It also gives them a way to relate to other people in the community, making them feel special. People shouldn’t make a big deal out of it, let them be.
I honestly see Cassandra and Rapunzel as honorary sisters, Rapunzel even called Cassandra her sister, even if that is not legally true being Cassandra was abandoned and Rapunzel was kidnapped Rapunzel only loved Cassandra platonically, Eugene was the only one she love romantically. maybe Cass will meet a nice lady she can date on her adventures
Great video of showcasing disney tva's history of lgbtq shows/characters cause I've also learned a few of where it started and I hope in the future the representation is strong and always be the way it is without Disney's critism on it (cancellations & censorship) so we can have a future with love and acceptance 💪🥰
First off, wonderful video. I love how in-depth you go about the characters and the struggles some creators had getting them in there. One thing I would point out that was missed, I could take a decent guess at why the Proud Family episode was originally pulled. S*ssy is a slur for gay people, and one of the nastier ones at that. Granted, it is an older term not used too much anymore to the point the LGBTQ+ community is trying to reclaim it and it's different spellings, but the use of it alone was very purposeful to make it as blatant as possible this was an episode tackling homophobia. Disney most likely, after learning it was a slur, pulled it out of fear of backlash or just the fact they didn't want an episode with a slur in it. But again, this is a guess on my part. I didn't know it was pulled off of air though. I remember watching this episode as a rerun, so it must have taken them a bit to learn about the word.
That makes a lot of sense, I wasn’t really aware that was considered a slur. I honestly thought it was just being used as a stand-in for something much worse. Probably not a good idea to use an actual slur, but it’s a very well done episode.
Despite Bob Chapeck making the most stupid a** decision of shortening The Owl House. It actually went on a better road in comparison to other animated shows. You see, shows like Teen Titans, Office Job, Spectacular Spider-Man, and more were canceled and never got the chance to be concluded. This was not the case with The Owl House, where despite the final season being shortened to three 1 hour specials, although, they’re actually three parts of a series finale aired months apart from each other, were given the opportunity to conclude the story, and in my opinion, Dana Terrace and the crew did an excellent job finishing the story and giving a beautiful end to the series.
I don’t even think Bob Chapek knew The Owl House existed. It was an exec at Disney Channel that made the decision. But I completely agree that Dana and the crew made the best of what they had to work with!
So much so, that I combined all three episodes together on my Google Drive, and combined it into a 2 and a half film, which I call it, The Owl House Thanks For Watching Trilogy!
Fun Fact: Molly McGee’s voice actor, Ashly Burch, voices another character named Enid from the Ok K.O Let’s Be Heroes who is bisexual Just wanted to mention that in case you make a video about LGBTQ+ rep in Cartoon Network
I was a vocal supporter of #TheOwlHouse . I wrote plenty of letters, and I was active on Twitter, trying to pester the powers that be (including airing times selected for episode premieres that seemed like they’d happen after the kids went to bed). Maybe that wasn’t the best strategy, but it’s the one that I chose. Maybe you know better than me. I don’t know. But it always felt like they made a homophobic decision, even if they didn’t mean to. Maybe that’s cognitive dissonance on my part, but Disney has a bad track record with this stuff that they are just starting to get better at. According to Dana Terrace herself, this single executive that she talks about (I believe it’s the same person) tried to make her erase Luz’s sexual identity early on. Shortly after that, the team got word that the show was shortened. And it was Disney TVA that had to step in and lobby hard to get the third season at all. Dana was not a part of that discussion. Clearly, there was not enough homophobia at Disney to make them stop the show in the first place or drop it partway, but whether they related back to business decisions or not, they have had a tendency to play lip service (that can easily be cut when it is sold overseas) when it comes to representation. The uproar over there accidental support of Florida’s ‘don’t say gay’ legislation, along with the stir over the ‘Lightyear’ movie, and the feelings, expressed by Pixar about how their concepts were being arbitrarily, trimmed down put Disney’s situation of financial decisions with consequence on full display. Finally, with many of the things you talk about in this video, they are starting to turn that around. One can only hope they have some thing like ‘The Owl House’ in the future, to show that they have changed.
I really love seeing videos and shows with LGBTQ+ it makes me so happy where I feel like I can be myself, my parents ave very homophobic so I can't come out to them so when I herd at the end it said about how LGBTQ+ kids deserved to be them and stuff I really wanted to give a hug to everyone that made this because it's true and it's horrible that people wont let kids love who they want or be who they want to be such as my parents and a lot of people I know.
One of my favorite parts about Luz and Amity becoming a couple is the fact that they’re both still awkward around each other, especially at the beginning. Confessing their feelings and officially becoming girlfriends doesn’t magically erase their dorkiness and I love that small but realistic detail!
You should also do a video about Disney’s representation in live action shows. Most notably Good Luck Charlie with Charlie’s friend Taylor coming over for a playdate and after some confusion by Bob and Amy who both claim to have met Taylor’s mom, Amy claims the mom is Susan, while Bob thinks the mom is Cheryl. There’s a knock on the door as Taylor has arrived for the playdate… with her moms Susan and Cheryl. Neither Amy nor Bob make a big deal about this, but they make fun of themselves for not even considering that possibility. It’s a very nice and funny scene.
Another excellent vid! ^v^ Gah, I love the Jeoffs so much, they're such a sweet and fun couple! Also, this is my own personal headcanon as an ace/aro person myself, but I like to imagine Scratch being ace/aro. He just gives off those vibes to me.
This video is incredible!! I clicked on it thinking it was a compilation not a video essay but I was pleasantly surprised to find well thought out points and a shift in my perspective. I still don’t like the people at the top of Disney because rich billionaires be rich billionaires. but I can see how I may have just jumped to too many conclusions seeing how integrated a lot of the representation on shows that aren’t toh and Amphiba has been. I know a handful about MGADD and some bits and pieces of TGAMM but I didn’t know anything about Hailey’s on it, because I was so bitter about the shortening and wanted to direct my anger somewhere. I can definitely give HOI another shot tho, I think I would have been like “ooo fun” a lot more if I wasn’t being so bitter. Im happy with what we had, of course I want more but for now, toh abridged is perfectly fine with me
The thing I think a lot of people forget is that Disney Channel is a small part of a massive conglomerate, and they kind of operate on their own, with very little input from the top. Like, I still think that if you asked Bob Chapek about the Owl House, he’d have no idea what you were talking about. Also, you should absolutely watch TGAMM, it’s delightful!
Im so glad because I used to be homophobic before toh and then I was like "shit this is actually cute" and now im not sure what I am but all I know is that love is love and everyone deserves to be treated with respect no matter what :)
Great video Chandler. Like the last representation video you made as well as the Period piece video, LGBTQ+ representation is more important to talk about especially today. Two things I did noticed though. I'm surprised you never mentioned that Dan Povenmire confirmed Perry the Platypus is asexual and that Dana Terrace confirmed that Willow is Pansexual and Hunter is Bisexual. Speaking of TOH, when you talked about the show being shortened in the third season, I was reminded of how people blamed other shows for TOH's "Cancellation" They did it with TGAMM, they did it with H&G and they did it with Hailey's On It. It's gotten to the point where it's getting annoying. Yeah what happened to TOH sucks, but people need to know that being shortened does NOT mean cancellation. But yeah great video and I look forward to the next review or editorial you have planned next.
Theres also a show in the works called Neon Galaxy, which is rumored to have a trans main character! (I think transfem even) I am hoping so hard that this show sees the light of day I would be so sad if it didn’t
Thank you for making this video, it kinda makes me feel valid. Also I like how you discussed The Owl House's cancellation, it was really well executed.
Imagine having all your rights taken from you just because you love your spouse. I will burn in Hell forever if I have to. The Bible and church will not scare me into breaking up an innocent happy family for no reason other than "God's image" homophobia is Hitler's image, it only speaks like Hitler.
I don’t even know what bible these people think they’re reading. Because the one I’m familiar with says that Jesus was a super chill dude who preached love and kindness to everyone.
I'm a bisexual guy, I grew up in a homophobic houshold and it had alot of impact to say the least, denied I was bi for years despite my attraction towards guys and girls, I wish this representation existed when I was growing up, it didnt start appearing till I was a late teen early adult, still wish more gay presenting relationships existed but I understand gay presenting relationship are harder to get through screening because misogynism and homophobia mixed but I'm glad there is some even if there mostly background characterswhat, but what we have now is a major step forward abd hopefully we dont take any steps back.
The rep in SVTFOE, to me as a lesbian myself, was nothing. We Got showed a Girl having a friend who happens to be a Girl and that was basically it. (Also before Anyone comes at me and says stuff like “did you want Them to start making out/kissing/having fun adult time etc?” No. But just showing a Girl who has a friend isnt good representation, if any representation, They’re just kinda there, especially if we’re known shown Them again.)
@@SunnylandProds it was at the time from what i remember, but looking back at it, the only Way you’d realize it was LGBTQ rep was if you heard People talk about it before hand (imo)
Hi there Sunnyland productions!! I really really hope you see this!! Could you do a video on neurodivergent representation in children’s media? I have ADHD and Autism, and I enjoy watching shows with these representations!! Medias; -Rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles, Donatello. He is autistic coded! -the owl house, Luz Noceda, ADHD coded(or canon?) and Camilla Noceda, who seems to be a masked ADHD mom to me!!! -The Proud family reboot, BB, canonically autistic! (Not really showed, but the family’s reaction was super important to me!) -Gravity falls, Mabel Pines, ADHD representation, AND Dipper pines, who honestly seems to have Autism and Anxiety. -Amphibia, Sprig seems to have ADHD, and of course Marcy’s Autism coding. These are specifically ADHD and Autism representation, but these characters do have other hinted disorders, such as Anxiety, Depression, OCD, and separation anxiety. I hope you take this into possibility for a video!! Extra: I NEED SOMEONE TO COVER HUNTERS PTSD AND ANXIETY!!
You’re not the first person to request this, and it was absolutely something I was already planning on covering in the future! But I wanna wait a little while because I really want to be able to talk about June from The Ghost and Molly McGee as well, and we still just haven’t seen that much of her yet. The autism rep is especially important to me, since I’m on the spectrum!
@@SunnylandProdsWonderful! If you do the video, I really hope you add in the characters I have requested, and I’m excited to see the video on June!! Love your content, and I’ll be continuing to watch from now on!
donnie is autistic in cannon it was said on a tweet luz was said to be neruovergent but not anything in spefic sprig was said to have adhd on a tweet and with marcy her being autistic was intented at first but it was made cannon at the end of the show
I think people sleepnon Weblena in DuckTales because it was so underplayed and yet... overstated? Maybe some shipping war stuff with the triplets but it's more just they fumbled the relationship. But, in my heart, the beautiful idiot and pinks are a lovely pair. Lena as a kind of sorceress supreme and Webby as an adventurer who explore mysterious locations as a hobby.
I love how these shows handled representation, especially TOH which has many LGBTQ+ characters, some of them aren't shown in the show, like Willow being pan and Hunter being bi, but being honest, we had only 43 episodes, Dana didn't have time to show Hunter being attracted to a guy neither to show Willow being attracted to a girl, and its honestly really sad how we could have gotten some in-show representation, but yeah Disney is Disney. Hope they will realise their mistake and do a spin-off/movie/another season or AT LEAST some merchandise
You could make them both on the aro spectrum not completely aro since they would still be in a relationship with each other but make them on the aro spectrum that way they will be lgbtq and you will be able to show it in a few espiodes and even if you make them on the aro spectrum and straight that would still be lgbtq rep
There's also Raj and Bowie from from the New TDI reboot. Bowie is flamboyant and mischievous as fuck. Very stereotypical but also like. Kicks ass at the game. And then there's Raj who's just in the closet but develops a massive crush over bowie and their relationship slow blossoms all the while Wayne. Raj best friend is just so excited. He knows Raj likes bowie and or knows he's gay but he waits until Raj says it himself and he just becomes Rajs number one support dude bro. It's the cutest shit
Bill shuffling around Mr. Northwest's faceholes until he looks like an Eldredge horror. Disney: This is fine. 2 old ladies kissing. Disney: WTF HOW DARE YOU THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Helluva boss and Hazbin hotel are very LGBTQ+ Stolas is gay, Blitzø is pan, Moxxie is bi, Fizz and Ozzie are a gay couple, Millie's sister Sally is a trans woman, Charlie and Vaggie are a lesbian couple, Alastor is asexual, Angle dust is gay, and Husk is pan
22:31 I will say while things have clearly changed, and obviously each company is different and do things differently, I think the reason people think this way is because of Steven Universe, Rebecca had to fight tooth and nail with Cartoon Network for Ruby and Sapphire’s wedding, sacrificing a longer run time for representation, and while Disney is obviously a different company entirely, it wouldn’t exactly be out of character, so it really put people into this mindset.
And I get that, but when Dana, nor anyone else who’s ever worked on the show has ever said anything about that being something they dealt with, I think it’s really disrespectful to go and assume that.
I will say: It is kinda ironic how many Disney shows are doing the heavy lifting, while still hiding things in the background. AND: As I like to bring up to people into obscure stuff: The comic "WITCH", among being AMAZING in trailblazing a TON of stuff at the time: ACTUALLY had a gay character with an extremely fitting arc at the time. (2000's) Along with her love for food: She was *heavily* into romance. But could "never find the right guy". And when guys hit on her, she freaked out. (One time hexing a guy in a panic.) She had a crush on a female rockstar, and couldn't understand why she could never find a guy she "like" liked. And kept "teasing" girls she liked. This character had a planned arc to discover she was gay. And more notably: That gay people existed. As she had never been told that was a possibility. But: The second disney found out about that, they fired all writers, hired new ones, and excessively pushed that "Oh, she's just boy crazy!" and gave her like, 4 boyfriends. Rambling here, but I'd love a reboot of that comic... though, I guess the era of "... that exists?" is kinda gone now... unless you'd place it in a red state... (On a side note: The cartoon is VASTLY different from the comic. And, the comic had a much earlier statement about her being gay. In a like... Italian version of comic con.)
@@SunnylandProds Seriously...in Good Night Moon Girl, Brooke had this tone of voice whenever she spoke to Lu that was practically SCREAMING "I'm checkin' you out, girl;" especially when she said Lu had a big beautiful brain
I actually met someone once she was a lesbian and she is an angel!! The kindest girl ive ever met in my life!! Sweetest girl i ever met, she started a conversation and we talked alot, she even made cupcakes such a sweet girl ☺️
Omg i wrote an essay in highschool about this exact topic except like all children's animation, I think i mentioned your first two examples/ sources in my section about how disney is a cowars? Lmao very nice video
Yeah, I only just found your videos and I've been enjoying them very much! Speaking of Rep across the board, have you been able to take a look at Disney's new Hailey's On It and if you have, do you plan on covering any of it? Edit - Ah, there it is. XD
Honestly, I could never get into Proud Family because of how much I HATE Lacienega and Dijonay. They’re terrible characters and honestly such toxic friends to Penny, Zoey, and even Michael
Glad to see another person who understands about TOH's cancelation. If you wanna get mad about a show getting the shaft because of LGBTQ+ rep, you should look more at Steven Universe. Rebecca Sugar fought tooth and nail to be able to get Saphire + Ruby, and was only able to show them as a couple by arguing that the Gems don't have gender because they're rocks. The show was heavily censored in other countries with dubs changing Ruby from female pronouns to male, and when Rebecca finally won the battle to get the Garnet wedding, the show finally got canceled because Sugar wanted to put Ruby in a dress, with Sapphire in a suit so that it couldn't be erased in other countries. That resulted in the episode strait up not airing in some countries, and CN said no more. The Crewniverse had so much more planned after that, but they ended up having to cut an entire arc down to only five 11 minute episodes to be able to finish the story. This resulted in the final arc being heavily rushed, and the Diamond redemption feeling forced and unearned. Did I mention that even THAT had to be fought for? The only reason we got Steven Universe Future was because of fan outcry, condemning CN for canceling SU over queer representation. I know this isn't a Disney show, but SU is such an important milestone for LGBTQ+ representation in western animation. SU crawled so that TOH could run a marathon.
And I love how some people have already said: “stop defending them!”
I’m not defending them for what they did to The Owl House. I think it was a very dumb decision that was made in a time period where budgets were tight and things were uncertain. They clearly realize that they made a mistake, and have made a point of not repeating those mistakes.
Some people are just allergic to the concept of nuance.
As much as I hate Disney, I have to agree that not everyone in the studio feels that way about representation. And you are right! SU walked so TOH could run! And for that I will always be grateful for the show!💜
@@olleselin SU
Honestly, the fact that Dana and crew were stuck with the shittiest hand imaginable, and yet were still able to make 3 solid specials that manages to make an entertaining series of stories that wrapped up most of the lose ends the story had to deal with is insanely impressive. I hope Dana moves on to bigger and better things.
@@jeremyusreevu237 oh, for sure!!!
I didn't know Brooklyn was trans, but that adds the layer of her being a trans girl IN SPORTS, another important piece of representation considering recent politics
And she’s one of the coolest/nicest kids at school, too!
That's so cool!
Actually if you look closely at her bottle it has a badge that says ‘Trans is beautiful’ well something to that effect so that and the VA being trans is a hint but I understand it’s details some can miss. But yeah it’s pretty cool she’s part of the basketball team
She is cool but am I a little unnerved she's hitting on someone likely older than her?
@@chloenieuwsma4846wait who?😅
The clip of Luz coming out to her mom and her being so supportive hugging them both and Gus with the flags!!! Will never cease to make to warm my heart. I know i wouldn’t get the same response from my family, but if I’m a mother one day, I know I would support my kids
I guess that is another reason why Camila hugged Eda and King when she first met them at the end of the series.
I am bi my self
THAT WAS CUTE
it was so cute but I'm still rly upset that it only lasted for a few seconds, if Disney didn't cancel it(shorten it down) then maybe we could've had half of one or even a whole episode on luz coming out
@@1spidey Um. Okay, I think I need to acknowledge the elephant in the room. There was no draft of a full season 3 made prior the shortening.
One thing than I wanted to point out is than in general male gay characters tends to be less in number and less important than lesbian characters in this kind of shows. This isn't an absolute just a statisitcal avrege. That is because it's often easyer to pass off Lesbian relationships as friendships or cut them off completly, in countries who don't want to brodcast LGBTQ themes. After all a bad girl it's fine but a danty man, that is a CALAMITY * sarcasm *
if its male gay characters its mostly dads or background characters
#Misogyny -_-
that's not even misogyny, it's just saying that gay men don't get enough rep.
@@anitanielsen1061How??
Yeah, plus the fetishising of lesbians is definitely a factor since a lot of homophobes won't immediately complain about seeing women kissing because it turns them on. Yet when they see men kissing, it makes them physically recoil. It's such a strange double standard and it also makes me super fucking uncomfortable how a weird amount of straight guys view us as an exception as long as we stay as essentially sex objects for them. Compared to gay men, who they'll immediately accuse of "child touching" and devil worship, as well as bringing out every slur they can think of.
Cassandra being gay-coded and having feelings for Rapunzel does explain some of her early hostility towards Eugine.
I hadn't gotten a chance to watch the Tangled cartoon yet, so hearing that Cassandra is gay-coded, I was like: "OH~ 😶 That explains all the fan art..."
I related so hard to her 😭 😂❤
I kind of see her as a raging bisexual.. but thanks for the info!
Well considering that they’re kinda sisters…that’s slightly awkward 😅
and! for the owl house, hunter was confirmed to be bi and willow being pansexual,it was confirmed by dana in a live stream i believe :)
Dangit, I was wondering if I forgot about them!
True. Dana did say it in a Post Hoot on Insta. Hunter is Bi, and Willow is Pan😌😌
Yeah but when you have to look it up outside the show cause otherwise you would have no idea, I don’t think it counts as representation
Which is why I definitely don’t think W.I.T.C.H counts.
Masha (the person vee has a crush on) is also nonbinary! They have nails painted with the nonbinary flag in the Halloween episode
After I found out Geoff and Jeff were a couple, it was so fun to go back through season one and the beginning of season two and catch the little moments they put in of Jeff. Like the moment you already put in at the coffee shop, but also we see them standing next to each other when Scratch is talking to the ghost world in the season two premiere, or in “A Very Hungry Ghost” when they’re doing the couples thing where you feed each other, you know the thing, right? I know they’re small and easily missed, but they add another level of this showing that they always were planning that set up and pay off.
I would like to point out that Dana confirmed that Willow is pan and Hunter is bi! Also, there is Masha, the character with non binary nails and a they/them nametag. I think that's everyone.
Raine Eda ex too Non binary
Eda is bi too (not pan despite what others think)
@@vstro_i Oh yeah!! Thanks :D
Not fond of how they confirmed Willow and Hunter since there’s nothing in the show that implies they’re anything but straight.
@@mauriceisaac3646 But they are
Willow is pan and Hunter bi
The only thing I hate is creators only confirming if a character is LGBT+ on social media and not in the show. They get an entire show to say "oh btw this character is ace" or something but instead they just say it in a tweet or make it super vague. In 2023 that doesn't cut it as the bare minimum anymore and is bad rep. Either say it clearly in the show or it's not cannon, you can't put zero effort in and eat your cake, too.
Yeah, that’s completely fair.
I argee but it safer and isn’t really important to the story unless it gonna be addressed in a episode
@@stargalaxy3639 It’s 2023. There’s no reason to “play it safe” anymore other than to keep bigots satisfied and no one wants that. Plus, a few seconds of a character saying what they are isn’t gonna grind the plot to a halt.
@@Quite_Frankie yeah that’s why I found it kinda odd that Lilith was confirmed Ace/Aro in a stream 😅 and not in the actual show
@@Quite_Frankie Now its 2024
hunter is also confirmed to be bi and willow is confirmed to be pan! so the owl house shows 3 different types of bi relationships: 2 people of the same gender, 2 people of the opposite gender, and a relationship between a nonbinary person and a binary person
Really?
Hope there's more Muslim representation too. Loving Kamala Khan Ms Marvel so far
Oh, for sure!
Agreed!
You should read the graphic novels
They’re really good!
That show’s so good ugh
Ngl in Gravity Falls I had 0 fucking idea they were a couple until the Finale.
I am so slow.
That's were obvious
Don’t worry dude, I only realised in the finale too. Mostly
Don't worry, it took me till years later to realize the two were together.
-Masha from the owl house
-Perry the platypus from Phineas and ferb and Milo murphy's law
-Lord dominator from Wander over yonder. There are many coded characters in the show (all the main 4) but dominator is confirmed
- I don't think you are counting movies too but Priya from turning red
-Wendy from gravity falls also likes girls
-I think same goes for Star but I'm not sure
-Disney Jr shows T.O.T.S, Eureka (I think?), and the lion guard.
-Mr.X from amphibia
-I don't know if Miraculous ladybug counts or not, but it has some of representation:
•Juleka and rose
•Marc and Nathaniel
•Zoe
• The teacher and her wife
•Alix
•Max
-I know Huntlow/Winter is technically M/F ship but it still counts.
Dangit, I forgot Mr. X this time around; he’s in the compilation video I did last month though. And I did show Masha! I just didn’t mention them.
Also, I feel like they said Perry is ace just so people would stop trying to ship him with Doof or give him a girlfriend.
@@SunnylandProdsMr. X was played by the legendary Ru Paul, HOW COULD FORGET ABOUT HIM?!
@@SunnylandProds Good point. Anyways thank you for an amazing video. You are honestly really underrated
@@erichfiedler1481 I know, I know, I am absolutely hitting myself for that. In my defense, I had a lot of ground to cover here.
@SunnylandProds you mean aro ace people can still feel romantic attraction
Not only do I also believe representation matters, I think it's shameful that my own people (Americans) want to destroy it; particularly LGBTQIA+ rep.
How can we call ourselves "the greatest nation on earth" if we can't accept EVERYONE
Facts!
ESPECIALLY trans rep
@@purgxzur1 The only thing I don't understand is why?
💯 FACTZ!!!
@@SilverScribe85 apparently we challenge the status quo way too much for cisgender people in power so they characterize us as helpless, idiotic, mentally ill monsters. they're trying to seperate us from the rest of society so they can get rid of us (genocide)
12:01 Star Butterfly herself was pretty much confirmed as bisexual. In a S3 or 4 episode Star is shown attracted ot not just Marco but also Brunzetta whose a warrior woman. Later she is shown sitting between the two while riding a beast and they added the bisexual flag colors as shes looking at them.
Some people dont believe Star being bi
But its obvious
Blushing doesn't always mean romantic attraction and spoliers and Keith and Lance were shown with the gay and bi flag and turned out being straight and yes I know bi people can date the opposite gender but that clearly isn't the case here
@@michalelkin-bronner13 ok yes that is true and usually it’s the whole face being red to indicate attraction but mmm it’s hard to tell exactly with Star…she might be Bi🤷♀️
I love kids are getting more representation I wish for more and still hunt out more Asexual representation as an adult Asexual cause I love being seen. I'm glad kids get any representation from the beginning
More ace rep is a must, but I think I understand why companies don’t add it.. cuase being ace mean experiencing little to no sexual attraction, so if they add it in people can complain about there being “sEx” in a kids show 😭
Along with aro rep! I have seen one show add aro rep, that being toh, but it was aroace rep not just aro, which is still amazing! But I would also like just aro rep and just ace rep
Spongebob spongebob
as an aroace i don’t really know about there being openly asexual characters in kids shows… you really can’t explain much of their identity without talking about some pretty sexual stuff, and if it really isn’t even acknowledged it feels like they just added them for diversity points
BUT ID KILL FOR MORE ARO REPRESENTATION
As an aroace I would of loved to see aro or ace representation would of been nice to hear it’s okay to not being attracted to anyone and don’t wanna be in a romantic relationship, I guess I want others to know it’s okay and they aren’t broke or whatever, seeing myself in a show would of helped a lot, even if it was small it’s pushed that you need romance to be happy. In general I would love to see more representation even if it’s small
Jeff is proof of my theory that what truly makes a stud, is how much of a sweetheart they are. And Jeff calling Scratch out for his treatment of Geoff is proof that he's an awesome husband.
Also for Amphibia I think (former) Mayor Toadstool and Toadie are implied to be a couple (and just for clarification Toadie is an adult he's just small) and while I don't think anything has been confirmed, you can't convince me that there wasn't something more going on with Andrias, Barrel and Leif
It’s comfirmed by the shows creator after the series finale aired!
I wanted to also mention for Tangled the Series, in it’s cancelled spin off series, Varian and the Seven Kingdoms, Varian was supposed to have a male love interest named Hugo!
So he would of been Bi?
@@sirraven_ Yep!
WHAT!!??? WE GOT ROBBED!!!!😭💔
LGBT+ rep is very important because it’s important to normalize it. They exist and It’s simply a part of life. There’s going to encounters of people who are a part of the community. People out there likely have family and/or friends who are LGBT+, and/or a part of the community themselves.
It’s important for media to not only represent the LGBT+ community, but all sorts of different backgrounds like different sexual orientations, genders, family configurations, races, ethnicities, etc.
Somewhat related to this video, but I remembered Josie Totah(a transgender actress who voiced Natalie in Big Mouth) and looked her up to see what else she was featured in and found out she played Stuart from Jessie before she transitioned.
What you said at the end about how media can't change people's sexual orientation or identity is spot on. Similarly put, it's like a person's race. You are born a certain race and can't change it, just as you can't change whether you are LGBTQ+ or not. Positive media representation can help children feel more secure and comfortable and that's what matters.
I'm so glad my parents made me watch movies with straight people in it, otherwise I'd be gay. Oh wait, I'm gay. I guess I'll just watch gay stuff to cancel it out
This was a great video!! I love seeing such well done representation in Disney media. TOH in particular definitely means a lot to me. Also I gotta watch that episode of The Ghost and Molly McGee now after watching that clip 🤣🤣🤣 ( not currently caught up with the series ). AND CASSANDRA IS CONFIRMED TO BE CANONICALLY QUEER!!!??? Another mind-blowing fact that I learned recently is that Perry is also canonically ace ( which I lost sleep over the day I learned that ). Also I appreciate you taking the time to explain the behind the scenes stuff in regards to TOH and Nimona. I wish a lot more people were aware of those facts.
i did not know it was confirmed that cass had feelings for rapunzel but i mean, i could feel it from a mile away lol
It was heavily implied in the Big Hero Six: The Series that Wasabi is gay. Fred even makes a joke that people are going to make WasabiXFred ships. Big Hero Six: The Series was also another series that got cancelled during COVID.
As a bisexual teen learning that Luz was bi was an absolute game changer for me! I already related to Luz from the beginning and her being bi was just the icing on the cake!
Not to mention her and Amity’s relationship is just so cute! It doesn’t matter if they’re gay or not, the ship is very well written and realistic. Personally that’s all that matters, I would rather have great characters that are lgbtq than just lgbtq characters.
They don’t shove it in people’s faces that they’re gay and just show a healthy couple.
Idk if u know this show but She-ra Princess of Power did not do this right. She-ra is a Dreamworks show but the main couple Catra and Adora get compared to Amity and Luz but I just don’t see it other than surface level stuff.
I won’t go into detail for triggering reasons but Catra was absolutely terrible to Adora throughout almost the whole show. They had a toxic relationship, Catra’s redemption arc was rushed and unrealistic, there was no real confirmation they liked eachother till the end of the series and their romance just felt shoe-horned in. Their relationship was extremely toxic and people tried making excuses for it because it was a gay ship.
If Catra was a guy the internet would be outraged. They used the fact that their gay as an excuse. Which is absolutely terrible and insensitive to victims who have been in similar situations to Adora.
Some people think a ship being lgbtq automatically means it’s a good ship which I highly disagree with. While yes I love queer romance but I want it to be healthy and positive too.
Sorry for the essay but I just thought I’d mention this. LGBTQ rep is great, just don’t use it as an excuse to have a terrible story. It doesn’t save the quality, trust me.
Exactly! Lumity is a cute ship, but not because it's sapphic, but because it's healthy and very well made! Catradora is not!
Yeah, reminds me of people that ship Bakugo and Deku. Like miss maam????? There couldn’t be any more toxic pairing in the show??? Bakugo literally tells deku to jump off a building and I feel either people romanticize his toxicity or just want it because it would be gay probably both.
To be fair, sometimes people ship characters because they like to fantasize Abuser X Victim relationships. I don't judge people like that, so long as they don't have those sorts of attitudes for IRL relationships. Now, if they ship Bakugo X Deku and will FIGHT YOU about it, THEN you should be concerned.
@@alexandriahunt6058wait, but couldn't bakudeku still fall under abuser x victim? because if we look at how bakugou has treated him in the past and up to his apology deku, it definitely has that vibe
@@heyimgalaxy That's what I'm saying. Some people ship BakuDeku because they like to fantasize about Abuser X Victim relationships.
Amity Blight:further proof that Mae Whitman isn’t just a voice actor, but also a professional best girl
One of my favourite shows with LGBTQ+ Rep in it is John Finnemore’s Souvenir Programme. It is a radio show you can listen to on BBC sounds. They do sketch comedies. And in quite a lot of them, they use our heteronormative minds to help with the joke. There is one where there is a conversation between two guys and it’s not going at all well or fun. And the punchline is, “Been on many dates?” “Hundreds.” “Any second dates?” “Not one.”
They hadn’t established it was a date beforehand and because they were both guys, many of our brains didn’t immediately think it was a date. So when that was revealed it made the punchline so much funnier. They also just have gay couples in general in normal sketches, perhaps because there are only 5 actors in all the sketches, when having a couple in a sketch being able to mix and match gay couples gives much more permutations for the sketches. And in the 9th season which is a bit different to the first 8 we have a lesbian couple on the 1910’s who have a baby together, with the sperm provided by the brother of one of them so the other mum could be as close to the baby as possible genetically speaking. And the brother, as it happens, is AroAce. We also see later down the line in this family in 2020 a gay couple with a kid who are the descendants of that lesbian couple.
One of the cast, Caroline Quinlan has a wife. I don’t know whether she is gay or bi or something else, but she is in a same sex relationship.
I highly recommend giving the show a listen if you get the chance.
I couldn't get this out of my head when you first said it, but I have a really hard time agreeing with the idea that Disney (the company) is not homophobic especially after it came out that they gave funds to Florida's "Don't Say Gay bill in 2022 and only said they'd stop doing giving political donations in Florida for the time being once they got called out for it.
Disney is not a morally good company and that's been clear throughout its career. I don't think that extends to their workers especially to the ones who fought for any kind of rep on screen through their media. Any claim that Disney is not homophobic should not be protected by them having rep in their TV shows because it was not Disney who did the work to put it there; Disney was the force that its animators and writers had to fight tooth and nail against to have it be there. The same can be said about Cartoon Network and Steven Universe. Yes, Disney is allowing more leeway but again that is thanks to the animators begging for it and the audiences showing their support for the shows with this rep, and lets be honest here, they could do a lot better rep wise then what they've allowed. In reality , confirmations off screen by the creators, signs of queerness passively existing in their creation via a flag or a nail color, or said queerness mainly occurring through minor characters who the audience does not see often is not amazing rep; its the bar minimum. So far, we've gotten a few cases where main characters are actually openly and undeniably queer and its sad.
I will admit that we've gotten farther rep wise and I am proud of that, but thats not due to the conglomerate that views us as commodities. It's due to the creators who refused to back down and take the easy way out when it came down to their queer characters. Until Disney shows on a political and financial front that as company they are pro-LGBTQ+ when its not just profitable, I am going to continue to view them as homophobic.
I said this to someone else, but I think ‘corporations are people’ is super dumb. People run corporations. People work for corporations. A brand is an idea, and that can be powerful, but it takes people to make things happen.
People like former CEO Bob Chapek choose to do things like not stand up against the Don’t Say Gay bill until being pressured to do so by many, MANY Disney employees and Cast Members. But there’s also people like former CEO Michael Eisner, who in the 90’s actually made a big point of ensuring that gay employees got the same benefits for their spouses. And Bob Iger’s spoken up as an ally for the community many times. (Although his comments about the unions recently were, uh… Not great, but that’s another issue entirely.)
And there’s so many LGBTQ+ people who have worked for Disney, past and present. Including amazing people like Bob Gurr (who’s just one of the coolest people on the planet) and the late great Howard Ashman.
If anything was gonna push them even more towards having more consistently queer content, I think DeSantis is doing a really good job at turning them away from ever wanting anything to do with the Florida Republicans.
Ultimately, it’s like my friend Tony Goldmark once said, capitalism is not your ally. But it is a good yardstick. They clearly see that doing stuff for the LGBTQ+ community is way more lucrative than trying to continue placating the bigots like they’ve been for so long. It’s not that the sensors were homophobic per se, it’s that they didn’t want to piss off One Million Moms.
And… then they realized that didn’t matter.
The bigots are on the wrong side of history, and I think the reason why they’re being so aggressively loud right now is because they realize that they’re dying out.
But yes, you’re absolutely correct, Disney as a brand doesn’t deserve the credit for the representation we’ve gotten, because it’s all thanks to the creators and staff who make these shows possible.
I think Marco Diaz was planned to be a trans girl too from what I heard. Also Varian from the Tangled series I think was gonna have a spin off where he has a male love interest named Hugo, but it wasn’t made because Disney felt Varian wasn’t a popular enough character where people would watch.
They should’ve gone with Marco being trans over Marco being… A 30 year old in the body of a 14 year old, why did they do that?
@@SunnylandProds you're guess is as good as mine
@@SunnylandProds Omg yea- I hated that, it was so uncomfortable and weird, especially with how Starco went like directly after that-
@@SunnylandProdsyeah that part was confusing 😅
The owl house literally made any crack ship the Fandom made up canon until the very end, it's crazy. Love it
1:37 they spent all their budget on that one kiss scene😭😭😭
They really did! And it’s GREAT.
I also remember luz also think amity’s siblings we’re attractive
Yes! Yes! Yes! I love this video of yours!! We need the representations, we need to acknowledge that lgbtq+ is real, and it can't be changed over night!
Fun fact for the Geoff segment! Back in season 1 you can see Jeff with Geoff I remember one I think it’s in the one where grandma Nin and the kids bake food for the ghosts (I forgot the name) and 1 other time in a group I think in the premire of season 2
Yep! A Very Hungry Ghost!
Dana Terrace (the creator of The Owl House) also confirmed that Willow is Pansexual and Hunter is Bi☺☺
Seeing that “warning” in the beginning made me very happy :) thank you so much for all the hard work you put into these wonderful videos! Keep up the good work :D
May I just say i loved that u were so chill talking about this, as a lesbian myself, I’m so happy that people are talking about this. (SIDE NOTE, Masha from TOH is also non-binary and in one of their designs they have the non-binary flag colours painted on their nails!)
I honestly wish that had been present in their debut😅 because in their debut they seem to be presenting themselves as a girl hence why I assumed that and the only reason I know they’re non-binary was by accident through trivia on Tai’s character page because i had no idea who Marsha was until I saw their picture. I had to quickly fix my story to update this information 😅 so either they figured out this info after Vee moved in with Camilia or they hadn’t ‘come out’ yet hence why in their debut they seem to be female presenting at least in the outfit and hair part🤷♀️ so yeah 😅 that made me feel really embarrassed 😞
Yes because straight people aren't the only ones who should be represented it's good to see different sexualities and different gender identities but LGBTQ and straight ships should not be a war we just want the characters to be happy not forced into relationships for the straights to feel satisfied all I'm saying is we should stop attacking each other and really see the problems that need to be solved pedophilia fictional or real
Racism
Proshippers
I could go on but you get the point
As a straight person, I love to see these kinds of representation. I don't really watch all the shows discussed in this video, but the ones I do watch, like The Owl House and TGAMM, do a perfect job at LGBTQ representation, where it's done in a very respectful and tactful way that doesn't feel like pandering, but at the same time is unquestionably LGBTQ. Lumity is just as adorable and sweet as any well made straight relationship I've seen, and while I still do think Disney does a lot of performative progressivism (Because Lefou dancing with a dude for like 1 second in the 2017 Beauty and The Beast is the most amazing thing for gay rep ever!), the shows you mentioned are definitely not examples of that, and I really do hope we get more awesome LGBTQ rep in the future!
And speaking of awesome LGBTQ content, I saw The Birdcage a while back. Amazing movie, definitely check it out!
What is it with lesbian representation and being perfectly fine but when it’s a male couple that can only be hinted at ok ko for example enid and red action are allowed an on screen kiss while boxman and professor venomous are only allowed hinting I guess
That’s why I’m glad we have Geoff and Jeff, and that’s totally unambiguous.
@@SunnylandProds that is true and from what I have seen they are pretty cute I love how obnoxiously buff geoff is I always get a chuckle out of that sort of thing also I can somewhat relate to the fact there name's are the same because while my ex girlfriend didn't share my name she had the same name as my mom which made things pretty awkward at time
There's also Lexington from Gargoyles who Weisman (the producer who confirmed Irma). The show got a spinoff comic in the 2006 SLG comics which had Lex crushing on a dude gargoyle named Staghart who prefers Amp. Thankfully Gargoyles got a 2022 comic followup, and they are actually doing something with Lex being gay, and dating Staghart/Amp. Sadly they've got a long-distance relationship going, but hopefully the Phoenix Gate will be a shipper and give the two a chance.
I swear I get all jumpy and happy and scream whenever I see proper lgbt representation
Disney cancelling a show over LGBT representation yet claims they are woke and up to speeds on society is the most hypocritical BS I’ve ever heard in my life
Did you watch the video? They didn’t cancel it over LGBT representation.
@@SunnylandProds Oh no I'm talking about Nimona but you make excellent points as well on the other shows
Wait a minute cass was a lesbian that makes so many already weird scenes even weirder now especially the sub plot where eugene feels left out and like he has nothing to do which is accurate but it adds another layer considering cass is basically trying to steal his girlfriend from him is this some elaborate affair plot that we didn’t know about am I going crazy
I love the opening in particular because of how it puts to words better than what I can what I’ve been thinking of for ages. I wholeheartedly support LGBTQ+ representation in media. I also think it needs to be done in varying degrees, be it main characters like Luz and Amity, side characters like Becker in Hailey’s On It, or background characters like Violet’s two dads in Ducktales. I think most shows should have at least one character confirmed LGBT, though if we get some shows without anything, that’s perfectly fine, too.
Sometimes shows just don’t feature romance and there’s not much reason to go in depth on orientation, which is totally okay. As a tangent- I may not do much shipping on my own, but I absolutely respect fan works and interpretations for peoples’ favorite shows. And shows that don’t get the main character a significant other/establish their preferences are nice since there’s no pesky canon and it’s basically a blank slate to have fun and be creative. Fan interpretations aren’t the be all/end all and don’t replace proper representation in media, naturally. I just think that if a story doesn’t focus on those aspects, fans getting to have fun with their own headcanons is a respectable byproduct.
Ultimately, tangent aside, I do believe representation in media is important and majorly respect where we are with these kinds of things in the industry. And I stand by believing most shows should feature it to some degree, big or small. We’re all people, after all, enjoying media and everyone deserves to feel represented and valid when engaging in these kinds of stories.
Personally, I think LGBTQ+ representation is fine and people should be able to accept that. It also gives them a way to relate to other people in the community, making them feel special.
People shouldn’t make a big deal out of it, let them be.
I honestly see Cassandra and Rapunzel as honorary sisters, Rapunzel even called Cassandra her sister, even if that is not legally true being Cassandra was abandoned and Rapunzel was kidnapped Rapunzel only loved Cassandra platonically, Eugene was the only one she love romantically. maybe Cass will meet a nice lady she can date on her adventures
or a nonbinary parther because lesbians can like nonbinary people
Great video of showcasing disney tva's history of lgbtq shows/characters cause I've also learned a few of where it started and I hope in the future the representation is strong and always be the way it is without Disney's critism on it (cancellations & censorship) so we can have a future with love and acceptance 💪🥰
19:45 also Hunter is confirmed to be bi and Willow is pan 🤩
First off, wonderful video. I love how in-depth you go about the characters and the struggles some creators had getting them in there.
One thing I would point out that was missed, I could take a decent guess at why the Proud Family episode was originally pulled. S*ssy is a slur for gay people, and one of the nastier ones at that. Granted, it is an older term not used too much anymore to the point the LGBTQ+ community is trying to reclaim it and it's different spellings, but the use of it alone was very purposeful to make it as blatant as possible this was an episode tackling homophobia. Disney most likely, after learning it was a slur, pulled it out of fear of backlash or just the fact they didn't want an episode with a slur in it. But again, this is a guess on my part.
I didn't know it was pulled off of air though. I remember watching this episode as a rerun, so it must have taken them a bit to learn about the word.
That makes a lot of sense, I wasn’t really aware that was considered a slur. I honestly thought it was just being used as a stand-in for something much worse.
Probably not a good idea to use an actual slur, but it’s a very well done episode.
Despite Bob Chapeck making the most stupid a** decision of shortening The Owl House. It actually went on a better road in comparison to other animated shows. You see, shows like Teen Titans, Office Job, Spectacular Spider-Man, and more were canceled and never got the chance to be concluded.
This was not the case with The Owl House, where despite the final season being shortened to three 1 hour specials, although, they’re actually three parts of a series finale aired months apart from each other, were given the opportunity to conclude the story, and in my opinion, Dana Terrace and the crew did an excellent job finishing the story and giving a beautiful end to the series.
I don’t even think Bob Chapek knew The Owl House existed. It was an exec at Disney Channel that made the decision.
But I completely agree that Dana and the crew made the best of what they had to work with!
So much so, that I combined all three episodes together on my Google Drive, and combined it into a 2 and a half film, which I call it, The Owl House Thanks For Watching Trilogy!
OMFG ENCHANTING GROM FIGHT CAME OUT ON MY BIRTHDAY ❤❤❤❤❤
Fun Fact: Molly McGee’s voice actor, Ashly Burch, voices another character named Enid from the Ok K.O Let’s Be Heroes who is bisexual
Just wanted to mention that in case you make a video about LGBTQ+ rep in Cartoon Network
I strongly headcanon Molly as being bi or pan!
@@SunnylandProds same
@@tomkatt8274 but they obviously like eachother. I’m thinkin’ Molly’s pan and Ollie’s bi.
I was a vocal supporter of #TheOwlHouse . I wrote plenty of letters, and I was active on Twitter, trying to pester the powers that be (including airing times selected for episode premieres that seemed like they’d happen after the kids went to bed). Maybe that wasn’t the best strategy, but it’s the one that I chose. Maybe you know better than me. I don’t know. But it always felt like they made a homophobic decision, even if they didn’t mean to. Maybe that’s cognitive dissonance on my part, but Disney has a bad track record with this stuff that they are just starting to get better at. According to Dana Terrace herself, this single executive that she talks about (I believe it’s the same person) tried to make her erase Luz’s sexual identity early on. Shortly after that, the team got word that the show was shortened. And it was Disney TVA that had to step in and lobby hard to get the third season at all. Dana was not a part of that discussion. Clearly, there was not enough homophobia at Disney to make them stop the show in the first place or drop it partway, but whether they related back to business decisions or not, they have had a tendency to play lip service (that can easily be cut when it is sold overseas) when it comes to representation. The uproar over there accidental support of Florida’s ‘don’t say gay’ legislation, along with the stir over the ‘Lightyear’ movie, and the feelings, expressed by Pixar about how their concepts were being arbitrarily, trimmed down put Disney’s situation of financial decisions with consequence on full display. Finally, with many of the things you talk about in this video, they are starting to turn that around. One can only hope they have some thing like ‘The Owl House’ in the future, to show that they have changed.
I Watched Buzz Lightyear just because lesbian couple
never forget what disney took from us
Raine from owl house helped me realize my enby identity
7:27 Sheen voice in Disney
Keep doing these awesome videos, no matter what anybody says! 🤩🙌🌟
I really love seeing videos and shows with LGBTQ+ it makes me so happy where I feel like I can be myself, my parents ave very homophobic so I can't come out to them so when I herd at the end it said about how LGBTQ+ kids deserved to be them and stuff I really wanted to give a hug to everyone that made this because it's true and it's horrible that people wont let kids love who they want or be who they want to be such as my parents and a lot of people I know.
Owl house is the spotlight. Amity and Luz has the strongest & inseverable relationship out of all the rest.🏳🌈
I love the ghost and molly mcgee and the owl house. Especially TGAMM. It’s so wholesome and fun and amazing
i agree
One of my favorite parts about Luz and Amity becoming a couple is the fact that they’re both still awkward around each other, especially at the beginning. Confessing their feelings and officially becoming girlfriends doesn’t magically erase their dorkiness and I love that small but realistic detail!
They’re such dorks 🥰
You should also do a video about Disney’s representation in live action shows. Most notably Good Luck Charlie with Charlie’s friend Taylor coming over for a playdate and after some confusion by Bob and Amy who both claim to have met Taylor’s mom, Amy claims the mom is Susan, while Bob thinks the mom is Cheryl. There’s a knock on the door as Taylor has arrived for the playdate… with her moms Susan and Cheryl. Neither Amy nor Bob make a big deal about this, but they make fun of themselves for not even considering that possibility. It’s a very nice and funny scene.
Eh, I generally don’t wanna cover sitcoms on here, though. I’m just not really interested in them.
@@SunnylandProds Oh okay. That scene was really cute though and interesting fact Eric Allen Kramer who played Bob is actually a gay man himself.
Another excellent vid! ^v^ Gah, I love the Jeoffs so much, they're such a sweet and fun couple! Also, this is my own personal headcanon as an ace/aro person myself, but I like to imagine Scratch being ace/aro. He just gives off those vibes to me.
Thank you!
This video is incredible!! I clicked on it thinking it was a compilation not a video essay but I was pleasantly surprised to find well thought out points and a shift in my perspective.
I still don’t like the people at the top of Disney because rich billionaires be rich billionaires. but I can see how I may have just jumped to too many conclusions seeing how integrated a lot of the representation on shows that aren’t toh and Amphiba has been. I know a handful about MGADD and some bits and pieces of TGAMM but I didn’t know anything about Hailey’s on it, because I was so bitter about the shortening and wanted to direct my anger somewhere.
I can definitely give HOI another shot tho, I think I would have been like “ooo fun” a lot more if I wasn’t being so bitter. Im happy with what we had, of course I want more but for now, toh abridged is perfectly fine with me
The thing I think a lot of people forget is that Disney Channel is a small part of a massive conglomerate, and they kind of operate on their own, with very little input from the top. Like, I still think that if you asked Bob Chapek about the Owl House, he’d have no idea what you were talking about.
Also, you should absolutely watch TGAMM, it’s delightful!
3:20 I like W.I.T.C.H. and I’m not mad you don’t know what it is given the fact that it’s a somewhat obscure Italian magical girl cartoon from 2004
I watched W.I.T.C.H
As a Teen boy
@@polishalastor142 you have good taste
@@trashotaku Thanks 🙂👍😉
18:38
I just realized this was a callback to when Luz was going to ask Amity out
I know! It’s so cute!!
Im so glad because I used to be homophobic before toh and then I was like "shit this is actually cute" and now im not sure what I am but all I know is that love is love and everyone deserves to be treated with respect no matter what :)
@@scarletweb2106ok
Same here
Great video Chandler. Like the last representation video you made as well as the Period piece video, LGBTQ+ representation is more important to talk about especially today.
Two things I did noticed though. I'm surprised you never mentioned that Dan Povenmire confirmed Perry the Platypus is asexual and that Dana Terrace confirmed that Willow is Pansexual and Hunter is Bisexual.
Speaking of TOH, when you talked about the show being shortened in the third season, I was reminded of how people blamed other shows for TOH's "Cancellation" They did it with TGAMM, they did it with H&G and they did it with Hailey's On It. It's gotten to the point where it's getting annoying. Yeah what happened to TOH sucks, but people need to know that being shortened does NOT mean cancellation.
But yeah great video and I look forward to the next review or editorial you have planned next.
Tbh shows with LGBT rep was one of the reason why I stopped being homophobic but I feel sad how people are hating shows that have LGBT. 🏳🌈✝️🏳🌈
Theres also a show in the works called Neon Galaxy, which is rumored to have a trans main character! (I think transfem even)
I am hoping so hard that this show sees the light of day I would be so sad if it didn’t
Thank you for making this video, it kinda makes me feel valid. Also I like how you discussed The Owl House's cancellation, it was really well executed.
Before I even got to watch the video, I just got to say that the warning at the beginning was absolute gold!
Please do a video about the various types of representation in Dead End: Paranormal Park!
Imagine having all your rights taken from you just because you love your spouse.
I will burn in Hell forever if I have to.
The Bible and church will not scare me into breaking up an innocent happy family for no reason other than "God's image" homophobia is Hitler's image, it only speaks like Hitler.
I don’t even know what bible these people think they’re reading. Because the one I’m familiar with says that Jesus was a super chill dude who preached love and kindness to everyone.
@@SunnylandProds Thank you! No freakin' duh!
Homophobia ruined Christians
I love when you make these videos. These are the types of things people need to hear.
I'm a bisexual guy, I grew up in a homophobic houshold and it had alot of impact to say the least, denied I was bi for years despite my attraction towards guys and girls, I wish this representation existed when I was growing up, it didnt start appearing till I was a late teen early adult, still wish more gay presenting relationships existed but I understand gay presenting relationship are harder to get through screening because misogynism and homophobia mixed but I'm glad there is some even if there mostly background characterswhat, but what we have now is a major step forward abd hopefully we dont take any steps back.
“No tyler I will not clown face you” is such an iconic line and i love it
The rep in SVTFOE, to me as a lesbian myself, was nothing.
We Got showed a Girl having a friend who happens to be a Girl and that was basically it.
(Also before Anyone comes at me and says stuff like “did you want Them to start making out/kissing/having fun adult time etc?” No. But just showing a Girl who has a friend isnt good representation, if any representation, They’re just kinda there, especially if we’re known shown Them again.)
It was an obvious step forward and is noteworthy for that, but yeah, it’s very slight.
@@SunnylandProds it was at the time from what i remember, but looking back at it, the only Way you’d realize it was LGBTQ rep was if you heard People talk about it before hand (imo)
TOH: Eda and Hunter are also bi, Willow is Pan, Masha is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns, I feel like there’s more that I’m forgetting…
Hi there Sunnyland productions!! I really really hope you see this!!
Could you do a video on neurodivergent representation in children’s media? I have ADHD and Autism, and I enjoy watching shows with these representations!!
Medias;
-Rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles, Donatello. He is autistic coded!
-the owl house, Luz Noceda, ADHD coded(or canon?) and Camilla Noceda, who seems to be a masked ADHD mom to me!!!
-The Proud family reboot, BB, canonically autistic! (Not really showed, but the family’s reaction was super important to me!)
-Gravity falls, Mabel Pines, ADHD representation, AND Dipper pines, who honestly seems to have Autism and Anxiety.
-Amphibia, Sprig seems to have ADHD, and of course Marcy’s Autism coding.
These are specifically ADHD and Autism representation, but these characters do have other hinted disorders, such as Anxiety, Depression, OCD, and separation anxiety. I hope you take this into possibility for a video!!
Extra: I NEED SOMEONE TO COVER HUNTERS PTSD AND ANXIETY!!
You’re not the first person to request this, and it was absolutely something I was already planning on covering in the future! But I wanna wait a little while because I really want to be able to talk about June from The Ghost and Molly McGee as well, and we still just haven’t seen that much of her yet. The autism rep is especially important to me, since I’m on the spectrum!
@@SunnylandProdsWonderful! If you do the video, I really hope you add in the characters I have requested, and I’m excited to see the video on June!! Love your content, and I’ll be continuing to watch from now on!
donnie is autistic in cannon it was said on a tweet luz was said to be neruovergent but not anything in spefic sprig was said to have adhd on a tweet and with marcy her being autistic was intented at first but it was made cannon at the end of the show
I think people sleepnon Weblena in DuckTales because it was so underplayed and yet... overstated? Maybe some shipping war stuff with the triplets but it's more just they fumbled the relationship. But, in my heart, the beautiful idiot and pinks are a lovely pair. Lena as a kind of sorceress supreme and Webby as an adventurer who explore mysterious locations as a hobby.
Weblena is so cute!!
I love how these shows handled representation, especially TOH which has many LGBTQ+ characters, some of them aren't shown in the show, like Willow being pan and Hunter being bi, but being honest, we had only 43 episodes, Dana didn't have time to show Hunter being attracted to a guy neither to show Willow being attracted to a girl, and its honestly really sad how we could have gotten some in-show representation, but yeah Disney is Disney. Hope they will realise their mistake and do a spin-off/movie/another season or AT LEAST some merchandise
You could make them both on the aro spectrum not completely aro since they would still be in a relationship with each other but make them on the aro spectrum that way they will be lgbtq and you will be able to show it in a few espiodes and even if you make them on the aro spectrum and straight that would still be lgbtq rep
There's also Raj and Bowie from from the New TDI reboot. Bowie is flamboyant and mischievous as fuck. Very stereotypical but also like. Kicks ass at the game. And then there's Raj who's just in the closet but develops a massive crush over bowie and their relationship slow blossoms all the while Wayne. Raj best friend is just so excited. He knows Raj likes bowie and or knows he's gay but he waits until Raj says it himself and he just becomes Rajs number one support dude bro. It's the cutest shit
Wish they would show more Asexual or Aromantic people in shows. But still glad about the representation of my community!
Bill shuffling around Mr. Northwest's faceholes until he looks like an Eldredge horror.
Disney: This is fine.
2 old ladies kissing.
Disney: WTF HOW DARE YOU THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can hear Gus crying in his room about how single he is, oof
Aww, poor Gus.
Helluva boss and Hazbin hotel are very LGBTQ+ Stolas is gay, Blitzø is pan, Moxxie is bi, Fizz and Ozzie are a gay couple, Millie's sister Sally is a trans woman, Charlie and Vaggie are a lesbian couple, Alastor is asexual, Angle dust is gay, and Husk is pan
Oh, of course.
Men loving men couple and women loving couple not lesbian/gay couple
Is anybody extremely concerned how skinny Zoe's legs are (from Proud family Reboot)
I wasn’t gonna say anything, but yeah
Yoooo wait,, you only have 5k subs?? YOU SHOULD HAVE WAYYYY MORE DUDE!! I LOVE YOUR CONTENT!!
Thanks!!!
22:31 I will say while things have clearly changed, and obviously each company is different and do things differently, I think the reason people think this way is because of Steven Universe, Rebecca had to fight tooth and nail with Cartoon Network for Ruby and Sapphire’s wedding, sacrificing a longer run time for representation, and while Disney is obviously a different company entirely, it wouldn’t exactly be out of character, so it really put people into this mindset.
And I get that, but when Dana, nor anyone else who’s ever worked on the show has ever said anything about that being something they dealt with, I think it’s really disrespectful to go and assume that.
I will say: It is kinda ironic how many Disney shows are doing the heavy lifting, while still hiding things in the background.
AND: As I like to bring up to people into obscure stuff: The comic "WITCH", among being AMAZING in trailblazing a TON of stuff at the time: ACTUALLY had a gay character with an extremely fitting arc at the time. (2000's) Along with her love for food: She was *heavily* into romance. But could "never find the right guy". And when guys hit on her, she freaked out. (One time hexing a guy in a panic.) She had a crush on a female rockstar, and couldn't understand why she could never find a guy she "like" liked. And kept "teasing" girls she liked. This character had a planned arc to discover she was gay. And more notably: That gay people existed. As she had never been told that was a possibility. But: The second disney found out about that, they fired all writers, hired new ones, and excessively pushed that "Oh, she's just boy crazy!" and gave her like, 4 boyfriends. Rambling here, but I'd love a reboot of that comic... though, I guess the era of "... that exists?" is kinda gone now... unless you'd place it in a red state...
(On a side note: The cartoon is VASTLY different from the comic. And, the comic had a much earlier statement about her being gay. In a like... Italian version of comic con.)
19:46 Hunter is bi and Willow is pan which make willow the first pan character in Disney history
jackie is pan to people think she is bi but she has the pan flag on her shirt and it was said on a tweet that she is pan
Question
Am I the ONLY one who thinks Brooklyn has a crush on Lunella?
Oh, she totally does.
@@SunnylandProds Seriously...in Good Night Moon Girl, Brooke had this tone of voice whenever she spoke to Lu that was practically SCREAMING "I'm checkin' you out, girl;" especially when she said Lu had a big beautiful brain
I actually met someone once she was a lesbian and she is an angel!! The kindest girl ive ever met in my life!! Sweetest girl i ever met, she started a conversation and we talked alot, she even made cupcakes such a sweet girl ☺️
I love how Camila’s okay with Luz dating a witch from another dimension.
Omg i wrote an essay in highschool about this exact topic except like all children's animation, I think i mentioned your first two examples/ sources in my section about how disney is a cowars? Lmao very nice video
This needs to get so many views-
Yeah, I only just found your videos and I've been enjoying them very much! Speaking of Rep across the board, have you been able to take a look at Disney's new Hailey's On It and if you have, do you plan on covering any of it?
Edit - Ah, there it is. XD
Honestly, I could never get into Proud Family because of how much I HATE Lacienega and Dijonay. They’re terrible characters and honestly such toxic friends to Penny, Zoey, and even Michael
Oh, absolutely same.