Elon Musk Admitted I Was Right - WAN Show July 5, 2024
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-Timestamps-
[0:00] *Chapters.*
[1:10] *Intro ft. Zuckerberg, Luke on Zuck's quote.*
[2:30] *Topic #1: Tesla's FSD appears to require hardware upgrade.*
> 3:51 HW3, "fully auto driving in the future" past marketing.
> 6:28 HW4 & 5, Linus on them running HW3-like.
> 7:44 Linus on accountability, false promises & laws, depreciation.
> 13:51 Kelly Blue Book, "buy Tesla now before price increases!"
> 15:38 American lawfirm billboards, delivering auto driving.
> 19:16 Console Cyberpunk doesn't get 2.0, WoW hardware, ATI, 7900XTX.
> 22:49 Linus's home server racks flooded, UPSs, storage stripe.
> 35:36 Corrosion of loop, EK's response, systems survived.
[38:08] *Topic #2: Live cameras in night clubs.*
> 38:52 Linus is waiting until this becomes everywhere.
> 41:32 Using sensors instead of cameras, places that make sense.
> 45:15 Luke asks if a busy club wants this, Dan's DJ experience.
> 47:06 Linus went to clubs for NCIX ft. Alicia Keys, Dan's burn.
[50:04] *LTTStore's Lime Day, 60% off between July 16-19.*
> 51:36 WAN Show early exclusive deals, Lime Day QR code.
> 55:18 LMG's garage sales tomorrow.
> 56:44 Linus suggests other merch, retro pet cave sells out.
> 58:48 "We're losing lotsa money now, it's working lol" - Nick 2k24.
[1:00:02] *How much does WAN Show cost Floatplane? ft. Traumatized Dan.*
> 1:02:01 FP viewerlist, Luke on plugins blocking it.
[1:03:20] *Merch Messages #1.*
> 1:03:30 Thoughts on current state of game optimization?
> 1:13:50 Did you envision LMG having many departments? ft. LTTLabs.
> 1:31:08 "Titanium might be your loop's problem"
[1:32:00] *Sponsors.*
> 1:32:12 EcoFlow.
> 1:33:47 Squarespace.
> 1:34:48 Corsair.
[1:36:18] *Topic #3: F1 cars have an IP address, can be a backdoor.*
> 1:37:22 Linus asks Luke on new V.S. old cars, features & EVs.
> 1:44:02 1994 Mazda RX-7, Linus on enthusiasts, Luke's torso.
[1:46:44] *Topic #4: FTC sends warnings over warranty stickers.*
[1:48:01] *Merch Messages #2.*
> 1:48:18 Linus's 5 months beardless trip ft. Linus leaves.
> 1:48:41 Has Luke's brother told him of any cool tech used at work?
> 1:49:29 Do you feel roles of tech lead and management are distinct?
> 1:50:38 Linus's bike painting project.
> 1:52:41 Thoughts around LiFi tech?
[2:00:22] *Topic #5: AI fabricated news pretend to be local.*
[2:03:18] *Topic #6: Apple delists VPN apps in Russia.*
> 2:05:08 Linus on how Apple cares about user privacy, folds to pressure.
> 2:05:48 Russia hasn't ICQ
[2:05:58] *Topic #7: Nintendo claims no scalping with Switch's successor.*
> 2:07:10 Luke asks how good will the device do, Linus asks on games.
> 2:08:46 Discussing past Nintendo products, Linus on hardware rumors.
[2:11:05] *Topic #8: TH-cam adds take downs for deepfake impersonation.*
[2:12:12] *Topic #9: EU charges Meta over paid ad-free option.*
[2:13:01] *Merch Messages #3 ft. WAN Show After Dark.*
> 2:13:08 Sponsor - PIA VPN.
> 2:13:56 Would LTTStore make formal suits? ft. Movies & suits.
> 2:17:21 Thoughts on returned & used motherboards having HWID bans?
> 2:19:22 Improvements to baby tech you think are needed?
> 2:24:38 Business offers DIA over 10Gig to business, why not both?
> 2:26:38 Do you believe Nintendo's "no shortage" claim?
> 2:27:50 Has Linus been into other rhythm games?
> 2:29:28 Are there Anno 117 changes Linus would like to see?
> 2:32:14 Why is Luke taking public transport more?
> 2:36:53 Thoughts on True Charts dropping support for TrueNAS?
> 2:38:52 What Anno 1800 DLCs do you recommend?
> 2:40:08 Raid Z1 NAS but I don't know how many drives I should have.
> 2:41:22 Is VBA the bottom of the barrel?
> 2:42:12 Has Linus played HD 2 on his 7900XTX? ft. Annoyed Luke, Twitter.
> 2:46:22 Most high tech company you visited to that was low tech?
> 2:49:52 Luke's thoughts on test driven development & other methods?
> 2:51:04 Products ruined by a company's philosophy & bad?
[2:51:26] *Outro ft. Merch messages flying by.*
[2:52:02] *Linus's Cygnus patch "re-gift" to Luke.*
[2:55:08] *Outro II: Electric Boogaloo ft. MORE messages flying by.*
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just call the last bit post credit sceneeeeee
or "Luke will return in WANShow: Endgame"
Thank you timestamp man, you're a hero
Thanks man
Thanks my dude!!
@LinusTechTips should hire the timestamps guy 🐸
The year is 2029, I have finally purchased a Tesla. All day while at work, my phone buzzed constantly letting me know that my car has picked up a new passenger, and their fare has hit my bank account. After a long day at the office, I tell my car it’s time to take me home. Imagine my surprise when I open the car door and discover my cabin filled with garbage, vomit, piss and reeking of sex. I don’t think I want my personal vehicle to be a taxi
Cars are so expensive and so easy to damage, yhea, I'm not letting my car become an unattended taxi.
Reeking of sex is wild
I doubt one can try to do sex and piss inside a car with so many cameras that can just lock. He will end up in a private prison to work as a slave for private cooperations. There will be ratings too.
There is a cabin camera already installed within every Tesla vehicle.
You don't have to allow just anybody into your car, just those who have a 5-star rating.
The year is 2029, I'm off to work. Am I going to order a piss filled car and get stuck in traffic? Or will I go to the train station and have a comfortable and safe ride on rails?
I'm sticking with public transport.
Free tech tip for Linus: You can turn a charger on and off with like a $10 smart outlet lmao. No USB plugging robot required.
This is what I was thinking too
Sometimes you are too much into tech that you don't realize simpler solutions lmao
Linus' water cooling fail is the best advertisement for air cooling I've heard in ages
Linus' air cooling would absolutely also fail, that's just his luck! 😂
Hey guys today we're going to be upgrading my home server room to air cooling.
He can rig up a pool water as the outdoor part of the air conditioner keeping the room cool...
I never did water cooling myself because of all the problems my friends have had with that technology lol. I would never water cool anything outside of the engine compartment on my car lol.
@@daniels-mo9ol i have had the virtually same custom built hardline water cooling loop on my pc for about 7 years now, and did not have a leak once. the only time some BS happened was when i put a white opaque liquid in, and did not get to game with it for about 5 weeks, then came back, turned it on and did not notice the pump was stuck. that meant that the water did not circulate, and the water on top of the cpu block got so hot it started to melt the tubing, so i only noticed once the tube started to warp into my field of view. it was an easy fix by just cleaning the loop and especially pump, but yeah, the real issue was me trying out an opaque liquid
The thought of Dan living the club life is great. Him mentioning bottle service just made me cackle.
Dan has class. I can see him going clubbing after his classy waitering job.
First time i heard of his sister passing away. So sorry to hear. Virtual hugs
Yeah, for me too. I'm a single child so I can only imagine how much that would suck...
When did that appear? I didn't watch the whole thing
@@mhammadalloush5104as he’s introducing the story about his computers getting water all over them. Check Noki timestamps for that
@@mhammadalloush5104 its during story time about the pool
On the wan show 2 weeks ago, he was talking about a family road trip and he choked up a little bit during the story, but he didn't elaborate. And then on last week's he very briefly mentioned that his oldest sister had passed somewhat recently.
Have you considered putting water sensors in the server room? then when water is detected you can do an emergency shutdown of the power to the rack, pump etc. Also you could add a float sensor to the reservoir so if the water level drops below a certain level then you know you most likely have a leak.
Great idea, I'm going to do that for my system!
Going to add this as an idea, under every critical point where water flows with potential escape, 3dprint or otherwise, And TEST, a leak catchment/runoff plane that sits just under everything to run to somewhere that won't be catastrophic. In linus's case, I'd suggest something similar to desktop rack shelves, sat directly under each server, with a path to one of the back sides of the rack that will cause water to run along it's surface safely to the floor, the next consideration is splashing on the way down, even a runoff tube or wire against the run off point but not attached to the edge of that plane to the floor as long as water can stick to it, it'll flow down that path, water tension should do the rest.
There are water sensors that automatically shut off the power for both when they detect water and for water levels (high and low).
Never priced them just installed them. So don't blame me if they are something us normal people can't afford.
For something with as much water as that rack, shutting off on low reservoir would be better than nothing but still have the potential for a ton of damage.
I'd borrow a page from oil & gas pipeline leak detection. Flow rate measurement on the reservoir inlet and outlet. If they're imbalanced by any significant margin, you know you have a leak. Much faster response time.
he should add water detector and pressure sensor connected to a E-stop and Two state solenoids valves to isolate the loops ... once one loop leak , the pressure drops ... and a moist/water detector in each unit is cheap , compared to the several "Credits§" of damaged hardware ...
At least 2 water levels should be present on the reservoir tanks with a 3 light bar : green ok , yellow :warning ( min level :top up (with intermittent sound) ) and red (to low/fault/leak) with continuos "smoke detector like/alarm " sound .
For the ups repair video , Caution must be on the top priority , high tension/currents are present on the PCB's even several time is passed after de-connecting from main and batteries ...
That erase song feature gonna come in clutch for filming cops.
Linus and Luke for the testing on battery away from wallpower it is a lot simpler (although not trivial) to implement, instead of using a robot to plug in the battery when necessary, you can simply use a switch to power off the input directly from the power outlet without having to manually remove the plug. Only hard part would be to implement a way to detect that the testing should stop to let the computer charge, but all of this would require no human intervention.
There should be a way to get the “optimally charged” signal from the tested pc to signal when the power can be removed.
@@danasdas6683 whatever software is being used to do the actual testing should be able to read battery percentage from the registry, or wherever it is from. Pause test, charge laptop, at 80%, stop charging, run test... repeat. Yeah, slow, but no humans needed.
My condolences to Linus, his family, and everyone affected by the loss.
Wait when did his sister die? And is this the same sister Linus built a PC for?
@@josephhiggins8791Different sister from the video, that was his younger sister, the one that passed is his older sister. I believe it was 2 weeks ago now.
Wait what? I’ve been those comments for the past 4 or 5 wan shows now. Is blud losing his entire family or is he just milking the death of a relative to have shorter wan shows?
First of all, this is the third wan show since the death, secondly I dont see any milking appart from the commenters like you.@@user-ru2he7tm2t
@@user-ru2he7tm2tare you for real?
"You know, the seasons change predictably?"
The British: No, sir, they do not.
Dan should have attested to this statement... Us Brits should stick together.
The seasons have no idea what they're doing anymore where I live in Australia :|
Same thing in central Europe tbh. This year has been something like this so far: winter, summer, autumn, winter, summer, spring
@@marcellkovacs5452that sounds like yesterday in the UK. Didn’t get any snow though
You don't need a robot to do power tests, you can just use a switched outlet. Running a tiny program that checks the battery state at the end of the test to determine if it's time to flip the outlet on and pause the test until you're back it 80% or so...
Was about to comment the same.
Came here to say this
Literally just a relay they can control from their test suite with any USB-connect microcontroller, e.g. Arduino.
@@han5vk That's certainly a way to do it, but there's also plenty of off the shelf remote switched outlet boxes they can use too.
There's no way labs didn't think of that and consider it, so there must be some other problem with that idea. If I had to guess it would be too much additional work for too little gain and they have a lot on their plate already.
"How many people even get in car accident?" - A lot, Linus, car is like the most dangerous mode of transportation
Learn the difference between speaking personally and statistically.
@@XxPermaGrinxXexcept hes right lmao. Cars are thr most fatal mode of transportation
When you account for hours travelled they aren't that bad
@@satratic127 Surely motor bikes would be more lethal per hour
@@jamiealeksic8428 When compared to what?
Linus referring to a baby in a crib “it’s in a cage” lmao
Condolences about your sister :(
😢😢
Was it the sister that we have seen on the channel with him in the past? @insu_na
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@@aafor3 no
41:32 Not sure why they are discussing ways to measure people in clubs: You pay your entrance fee or whatever and you get counted. It's required anyway because of fire codes etc. - No, video surveillance is not a good solution for counting visitors, and that was obvious from the start.
But there is no way to measure if the people leave. It would work if once someone leaves they are counted as well
Exactly, tech bros are constantly trying to reinvent the wheel with the most complicated and invasive methods
That's just false, perhaps because of ignorance. Clubs are notorious for scummy practices. Nobody counts anything, girls are let in, friends are let in, friends of friends are let in. No tickets needed. Also, nobody measures who leaves.
someone somewhere with money or club must have a cousin or kid thinking there is a market for webcams online.
They must be high thinking selling access to that live stream to underage weirdos on the web is a new market.
@@KawaiiCat2 You can literally just have a light gate, no need for a camera.
Linus really is a great argument against watercooling
I do like my air-cooler still, but his most recent watercooling fail is actually a very interesting case of something failing that badly in such a short time.
He talked about it not being galvanic corrosion, but I'd be thinking it's related to using the iodine.
That the corrosion was on only one fitting, when those 5 lan computers are basically all built the same is really strange.
Hopefully there will be some update on the root cause, since he is in contact with the makers on a much more personal level.
(not a dig at EK, never used their products or support, I've no reason to think they wouldn't give the same support to any customer)
Technically, under contract law, you can be liable not for the cost of the product, but the value of what was promised. The cost is often used as a way of determining what that value is, but it isn't necessarily determinitive.
Linus, when painting your motorcycle wheels, you need to tape the brake rotor mounting holes. Paint will build on the surfaces unevenly and your rotors will not sit flush and cause pulsing while braking and even while riding if extreme enough. Also, when hanging the wheel, throw a bar as an "axle" and use a hanging line on each side. While your clear coat dries, you need to spin the wheel. Use gravity and the wheel's rotation to keep the paint from drying un-even.
(Grew up in the motorcycle repair and painting industry with my dad owning his own shop)
Homedepot: sells computer.
Bed Bath Beyond: sells lawnmowers
You use a network managed PDU to turn off and on the power strips for the laptop battery testing. Software can turn the sockets on and off, no human intervention unplugging and plugging in plus you don't wear out the ports and can use general power supplies for multiple brands.
There's a way easier way to track how many people are at the gym specifically. In my gym you slap your NFC card on the way in and out. So everyone knows how many people are there and you can track how many hours you've spent inside. They also give you a discount based on how many hours you got in, when you need to renew your membership.
1:23:50 Uhh, you don't need a robot to turn power on/off to a laptop charger. You could just use a smart outlet.
Or just plug it into an Uninterruptible Power Supply, load and configure the UPS's system software to handle halting programs and charging levels . . . any UPS from the past twenty years will give you the power draw millisecond-by-millisecond, measured in milliamps.
Zuckerberg's latest publicist needs a Nobel Peace Prize for their work the last year or so.
Idk.... it looked a bit " how do u do fellow kids" too artificial
The robot they were thinking of is called a relay, it can automatically sever a power connection. That and a program that monitors battery life?
I think I have one setup on my water pump so it shuts off once the water level reaches the top.
if they use those smart USB cable things that repair shops use. it shows amperage watts and power delivery. I am sure there must be one that sends data to a basic server.
I think greatscott yt channel has something similar to what you are saying on his channel.
That's what I was thinking. LOL we don't use humanoid robots to vacuum our house, the vacuum itself is a robot. We don't use robots to drive cars, the car is the robot. You don't need a robot to pull a plug on a laptop, the outlet is the robot.
Every UPS I have seen in the past twenty years has this option!
Dang i missed the chance to ask if they saw Luis Rossman's take on MKBHD's apple video
I doubt they will comment anything meaningful on it, since they are friends with MKBHD
im shocked that after his server drowning...HE HASNT TOLD US THAT HE MANUALLY DID A BACKUP!!! LINUS YOU MANIAC
Last time Tesla was forced to upgrade 2.5 hardware to 3.0 hardware. a similar thing might be made.
In regards to the "off the mains" tests for laptops. There are power strips that can be controlled via network.
“Zotac is pretty good now” aged like fine milk
Linus: Zotac have a pretty good reputation these days
GN Steve: Hold my beer.
I didn't expect a WAN post-credits scene
You could get a timer or "smart" power point that activates for a period of time every so often so you can still automate tests but be running on battery. You could even run them sequential to a plugged in series of tests. Knowing that a test might take 30 minutes you could tell the timer to turn off for 30 minutes while the test runs then turn back on to recharge before the next test.
"Be capable of fully autonomous driving **with an upgrade**." Do you not listen to yourselves?
Ex Bouncer here, livestreams, photos & videos in night clubs is actually very common, not sure how the law works in Canada or the US be here in Australia it's not an issue. Clubs I worked at would always be taking videos and posting them on social media & ads. Taking pics of specific people needs permission but something like an shot of the whole club from the DJ booth or something does not. As for the "full" thing you absolutely want people thinking the place is full because it implies popular. I used to take my sweet time letting people in to make the line look bigger, it worked insanely well. When the most popular club I worked at we would have literally hundreds stand in line for an hour when we were at capacity.
Taking a video for social media is different than a constant livestream of a line or inside of a club though.
I'm glad I live in a state with two party consent requirements. 😂 f turning me & my friends into free marketing. I think you underestimate how much people hate the idea of a camera recording them without their consent.
I'm sorry Linus. I know I might be some random guy and nobody will see this comment but youre one of the real ones who deserves the world and makes the most of life❤
ATI should've had a better naming scheme in 20 years they still didn't fix that
That's actually something really funny that I had not noticed. I had an Ati x1950xtx back in 2006. I think it was the last high end card before AMD bought them
16:22 - In 2019, there were some 12.15 million vehicles involved in crashes in the United States, with over half that volume being passenger cars.
So it's what, almost 15 million people involved? Like 1 out of 20 americans? And Linus goes "How many people even get in car accident?"
I bet the vast majority of those were fender benders though. Not that I disagree the number is too high, lost a friend recently in a car crash.
Thank you for having this one available on podcast platforms right away. TH-cam just doesn't work reliably in the background. Well done
i think they paywalled it behind their premium subscription. it used to work in the browser but it no longer does.
@@tanmaypanadi1414 oh it works fine, I have TH-cam premium. It’s just that when I pause it the app at some point closes in the background and forgets where I was.
If Nintendo really wants to combat scalpers, they need to sell a majority of the systems in store. Retailers need to turn off in-store pick up online ordering and stores need to limit 1 per person. None of these are perfect solutions but they do eliminate bots and level the playing field.
Pretty much going back to the early 90s, I can deal with that! ;)
What about limiting shipping to one per address?
@@robertp457but what if you have multiple people in the family who want one?
@@Random_dud31to the few people that that applies they can order from 2 stores
Or just make enough for everyone. That's what they did when the nes/snes/N64 were out. You could basically ALWAYS find a console. Sure. A few times a year the shelves went bare, but it was the exception, not the rule.
But they don't want their money sitting on store shelves so they make less than demand and then play catch up. The way to combat scalpers is to have *_MORE_* enough units for sale at launch. Make 150% of the stock you will need. Then nobody in their right mind will try to scalp a product.
Edit: ty autocorrected nes to "new." Had to fix
I got a free cpu upgrade for my Tesla in 2020 because I bought fsd when I bought my car in 2018.
Linus, you should put some kind of stiff sheet of plastic in between each computer in the rack at a slight angle so any dripping water get redirected off to the side.
Would need to look at the rack again to see how many of the 42U is in use, since doing that inbetween each unit would take up quite a few slots.
Sacrificing even 2 or 3 slots, above the storage servers and UPS's though is a really good idea.
I like it.
unpopular opinion: I think that companies should not be liable for aspirations that don't end up materializing. (unless there are written contracts about it of course)
If an object doesn't do what it should do at the moment you buy it, that's fair game to get a full refund. If you're dumb enough to buy something on the promise that it will do something in the future that it doesn't do right now, that's on you.
That obviously should come with some oversight about false advertising
Nice that the end animation is an accurate representation of Luke's leg vs torso proportions...
years ago I bought a samsung washing machine, it turns out there was a wiring issue that could cause it to catch fire. they sent out a tech to fix it. then a few years after that we got a phone call stating they were buying all of them back at RRP, so after ~6 years of ownership, I ended up being paid more than I bought it for, for them to cart it away and crush it. So I was basically paid to have a washing machine for 6-7 years. It was a damn good washing machine to.
more like you had a fire hazard in your house for 6 years and luckily they only had to give you the product price vs your entire house value
@@MHWGamer was not in the house.the laundry is a separate building so if it went up it would be no big deal.
@@myopinion69420 that is the first time I've ever heard of a seperate washing machine building.
is it just standing in a detached garage or how can I imagine that? like even in the superrich mansion tours here on yt I've never seen a laundry building on it's own. Sorry for being stupid
Yeah, you %100 know either enough property damage happened or enough people died that they paid you to take the item back because it was cheaper than paying your funeral fee or whatever.
@@MHWGamer pretty common here in Australia in older houses. a lot of them built before indoor plumbing was common but continued after. for example my sister lives in a house built in the 70's and that has detached laundry.
its just a basically a shed that has a big cement trough and some shelving.
I have also lived in a house where it is part of the building, but you have to walk out onto the back veranda then in another door to get to it.
2:25:45 Laughs in swiss, we just forced the incumbent ISP to build FTTH in a non competitive P2P infrastructure instead of P2MP (PON and its variants). So everyone gets a dedicated fibre back to the POP. And before anyone asks, yes it was decided to build P2P waaay back in the late 2000s. But the incumbent decided to not do that anymore in 2018/2019. Now he has to rebuild / fix the infrastructure he built since then. So we can actually have competition on L1/L2 instead of paying the incumbent for BBCS (Broadband Connectivity Service) and resell it.
Also, 10 Gb/s or even 25 Gb/s cost like 70 CHF/Month on the P2P infrastructure. It’s a f*ing lie of all ISPs that the higher throughput should cost more. THEY NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE ANYWAYS. So why not charge everyone the same? And yes the business plans of that 25 Gb/s ISP are not that much more. Depending on the SLA level and if you ned static IPv4, its about 150 CHF/Month. So a bit more than double. NOT 10x.
All my homies hate swisscom
@@AbRaSkZo I like your homies :)
You don't actually need to have a robot plug a laptop in and out for automated labs testing, you could just plug it in and have it go through something like a smart plug that turns off once the laptop is at 100%. I feel like it should be reasonable to do with some off-the-shelf home automation models.
something similar happened to my car where one hose clamp just corroded away until my car started leaking cooling fluid - in unfortunately one that wasn't really visible and made it look like the radiator itself was leaking - I was so happy when I found out it was just the one clamp and not radiator damage
There aren't many examples, but EU Commonwealth has weighed in on the games being shut down without warning citing a few interesting points.
1) A service needs to have a stated duration for which it will be valid and you will be entering into a contract with the provider.
2) EULAs are kind of not great? Some might be illegal? Particularly since there is no way to defend yourself against the whims of the company. It is not a fair and balanced power between you two.
3) If a service was removed before the end of contract, then the company is liable for the loss of the service. False advertisement or not, this now comes down to contract law which is much more set in stone.
4) Games may be goods or they may be services. They did not make any determinations one way or another and as a result how your access to them should be handled is up in the air.
Tesla never removed features, but they did sell people on some features that they may or may not have known were impossible. In their case, it would be advertising unless it was stipulated in a contract/service agreement.
Waiting for the timestamp guy
I love how you guys posted at the same time 🤣
@@ViscusTH-cam lol 😂
He came
Yea yea yea is this necessary on every wan show
@@colink2967 yes it is
I didn’t even hear about your sister till now Linus, much love and hope for peace in your family. As a big brother to 2 and I couldn’t even imagine something like that happening or the pain to come from it. ❤
Cameras on top of ski slope is a norm in Austria. There are TV channels that go through different ski resorts and show you the slopes with yodeling music.
No words on MKBHD vs Louis Rossmann?
What's with them? :o
@@artursz1993 go watch "I Visited Apple's Secret iPhone Testing Labs!" and look at the comments. Rossman made a video about it, sharing his history with apple and how Marques' video is just propaganda BS.
It’s probably a touchy subject given that LMG has a rapport with both of them.
What do you mean "versus"? What happened?
@@IsraelWokohlouis is pissed at mkbhd for being too brand friendly with companies like apple. louis would like mkbhd to call out apples BS more
Bring back 5 hour wan show!!!!
Bring back 27 hours wan show!!
I had no clue you lost your sister Linus my thought and heart go out to you and your family. I know this is a rough time.❤
Do you remember the episode of The Simpsons where they built the monorail? No idea why I always think of that when Elon's name comes up
As an attorney in California, the amount of car accidents just in Los Angeles alone are truly mind boggling. The amount of lawsuits filed in Los Angeles alone in their 4+ courthouses equating over 40+ civil courtrooms still have almost two years for the trial date. Yes the billboards are outrageous but there are plenty of lawsuits to support them.
I'm not someone who thinks we should trust anyone really, but I do find it a bit disingenuous and unfair that Luke always brings up that old Zuckerberg quote from when he was in college, as if _most people's_ views don't change quite dramatically from their teens/early 20's to when they're 40. Hell, I used to be a christian conservative growing up and in my early 20's, and I'm now on the left and am firmly an atheist. Tons of things I said when I was college age hold absolutely no bearing on who I am and what I believe now, including things like how much more likely I was to be selfish and wrong someone when I was younger vs how drastically less likely it is for me to think and act that way now. I'm _sure_ if you asked Luke, he'd also agree that he did/said/believed things when he was younger that do not represent who he is now.
I would agree if he wasn't doing the SAME THING NOW. If anything even moreso and to a worse degree...
For the laptop plug and unplug thing, have them connected to a power bar with a relay that you can digitally control and set that in the program to switch it off and run the benchmarks with no power attached
1:23:45 Hi Linus Hope you get to read this.
when it comes to running tests on battery only, could you not use a smart plug to turn on/off the power to the PSU between test, and add a little bit of logic to your automation code that would ensure the battery is above a certain % and that the laptop is on battery power before starting the next test.
the smart switch does even have to be anything fancy use an Arduino usb connect to the laptop that flicks a relay on/off, you could even prevent the Arduino affecting the power consumption on the devices by giving it is own external power source.
Trust me bro. With this in mind, the last time this happened with Tesla, they upgraded the computer hardware in old model S if that person bought full self driving. The upgrade was free.
Thanks for confirming, I figured that would be the solution.
Not sure where I heard this, but I think I remember Tesla saying they would upgrade the hardware in the future if required, for people who buy the FSD package.
Tesla also said FSD would be ready in 2018.. and 2019, and 20, 21, 22, 23.... you get the idea. Companies don't give away money and don't hesitate to lie. They will not give away hardware unless they are forced to by a lawsuit.
Damn those space patches were sick!
I hope there will be a video how the server room gets an upgrade with water and temperatur sensors and automated shutdown.
Tesla has upgraded early computers in the past v1 and v2 computers were upgraded to v3 when it came out
They did charge for the Hw3 computer upgrade but replaced the cameras for free. The upgrade in terms of active safety and supervised autonomy, while not meeting their lofty claims of level 4 autonomy, is still remarkable. After my 2017 model s was upgraded I was driving in traffic and the vehicle 3 cars ahead braked hard. I wasn't even using autopilot and my car recognised this and applied my brakes before either of the cars in front of me had braked at all, thus averting a multi car pile up. There are very few modern cars that could do this let alone any others from 2017. There should be some accountability but there is no denying this level of upgradeability does not exist elsewhere in the automotive industry.
Part of the appeal of WAN show is watching Linus age in real time as he looks back at the industry
Especially the comments on 2011.
Nice to see someone else go through it
22:33 they didn’t mention ATI under the windows system requirements… but they did on the next page under MAC OS 😂
Dennis does his job wel, its not often I rewind a background video to see the sponsor section lol
You guys should make a channel video about FSD. Rent a Tesla, try it out, and you'll get mindblown..
Lots of channels have done that and shown that it's nowhere near ready and tried to kill them multiple times?
There are so many Tesla cars in LMG's car park - they'd never need to hire one.
Lienus strikes again, Tesla told costumers cars were FSD 3 compatible with an upgrade and they are. With an upgrade, you said it yourself and proceeded to rant about it seconds later like wtf?
LMAO Luke's reaction and monologue with the Helldivers bit is hilarious.
Never thought about this before, but have you considered putting the lithium ups on top of anything water cooled? Or is it safe enough that it isn't a fire risk?
when does elon musk say linus from ltt was right?
elon does not say "Linus was right" and never will but Elon statement on Twitter (now X) confirms that Linus and many people assessment were right. Elon does not need to directly reference Linus to confirm the inability to FSD in Telsas, that would be insane.
@@blankseventydrei i think they wanted a timestamp
Never. Elon is a man baby.
Why does Linus, with all his smart home stuff, not have water level sensors and moisture detectors to detect leaks
I have been paranoid about my AIO failing for a while now. While I know the odds of an AIO failing are lower than DIY solutions, stories like these make me more likely to just get myself a Noctua tower cooler next time around..
Someone please tell Linus there’s no ‘T’ in ‘chassis’.
Just going to share my 2 cents worth about FSD development. I’m not an Elon fanboy.. I just find the work being done & problem solving process at Tesla fascinating.
V12 was a major shift in how HW3 worked. 330,000 lines of C++ vehicle control code was replaced with Neural Nets.
The control code was being handled by the CPU & not the hardware specifically geared towards neural net processing.
In the earlier years of autopilot & FSD development, perception was the first chunk of the problem that was solved with “AI”.
Slowly but surely, more & more of the FSD architecture was eaten by AI, leaving the vehicle dynamics control programming which had grown to the aforementioned +300 thousand lines of code.
Version 12 FSD had begun training sometime around December of 2022, with a somewhat viral demo drive in August of 2023 taken by Elon, Ashok Elluswamy & another guy I don’t recall. I bring this up because V12 leapfrogged V11 but had achieved more progress in less than a year than the 7 years of development since the dawn of the program.
V12 is a fundamentally different architecture than everything Tesla had been doing up until that point, but the path taken was arguably necessary in order to incrementally build out the AI foundation ending in the replacement of control code with a neural net trained on millions upon millions of clips.
V12 is now more fully utilizing the part of HW3 specifically designed for handling neural nets.
A lot of this I’m sure most have already heard, but there is far far more information out there to learn about what has been going on with the autopilot team.
Personally I’m still very much excited to see how good HW3 can get.
Thanks for the write up!
I take it you are in a technical field?
@@alexjamesbilodeauI worked for a couple years for a different robotaxi company
What's Linus trying to say? That he knows better and knows more about Self driving tech than Elon.....
I mean what does Elon? It’s the engineers who make anything possible at Tesla.
Eh. The fact is FSD is not fully autonomous, so it isn't "done". You don't need to "know more than Elon" to know that. It's clearly apparent to everyone and Elon himself admits it.
Maybe the training data from all the cars on the road and the optics will be worth the expense of doing a big recall and upgrading everyone.
Just a thought on test power modes. An acceptable heavy power test without unplugging the laptop could be done with a iot wall plug and power strip, potentially discharging to 2% before reallowing power and recharging with less touches
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To be fair, he's at least honest about things, he generally doesn't pretend to be a saint, unlike most other billionaires, and because the person didn't really give their criteria for favorite billionaire, I would say zuck is a reasonable choice because he might be just as bad as the rest of them, but he doesn't pretend to be any better
and this is why I refuse to get watercooling, I dont care if its a 1/100000. I'll take the room being slightly hotter, over ever having to worry about anything ever.
water next to electronics
Water-cooling your computer won't make your room cooler. In fact, much more likely your room will be hotter, as it keeps your electronics cooler.
The heat has to go somewhere.
The room should be some minor bit warmer with water if the load is high and long enough.
Water is only the medium to transport the heat from the chip to the room. A faster dump truck.
Because it is more effective than air, the chips potential to use power will be higher.
More watts = more heat into the room.
Ergo, water is *potentially* hotter than air.
Practically, in home use, they're probably near enough identical because the load fluctuates.
Linus please get Riley to stop saying Tezla. You and Luke say it properly but he has been saying it like an idiot for years. Please help
getting kicked from H2 for non-optimal loadout is absolutely a thing that i encountered
Linus Is wrong about HW3 not being able to become Self driving. What Tesla is saying is that HW4 will just go further between interventions. No where has Elon said that Tesla will abandon HW3
Elon not saying something doesn't mean anything
@@DVSProductions Assuming something from nothing means nothing
Linus isn’t wrong until HW3 is able to do self driving. Elon hasn’t shown it’s possible
When I bought my Model 3 Performance in 2018, about 2 weeks later they dropped the price $5,000. I sent them an email and they literally wrote me a check for 5 grand (which is insane, any other car company/dealership would've told me to go pound sand). They also upgraded my "hardware model 2" to "hardware model 3" for free in 2019. So... it wouldn't be too crazy to think they'd try and make right somehow. People hate on Elon, and often for very valid reasons, but Tesla and SpaceX as companies are still really solid.
RemindMe! 2034
He’s a technology problem solver. The products he sells are technology displays but not good products. The guy’s really intelligent but he’s an even better salesman. And that says it all.
1:24:17 You could use a smart wall socket that would kill the power to the laptop. Nothing has to be physically disconnected. A laptop would have a background service that would turn off the power if the battery ran low to prevent the laptop from shutting down. I've made similar setups before
Can’t wait for full self driving. 2019 can’t come soon enough!
To be completely honest, I don't mind the tesla thing, like at all, honestly inference is the one thing about AI that I honestly believe you can have it run on lower and lower hardware effectively or in a similar capacity, sure focusing on hardware 4 makes more sense for pushing the tech forward and gathering more data, but I still think if the only thing you're doing on-device is inference, hardware 3 isn't out of the question for FSD, even LLMs are running inference on lower and lower hardware with GGUF and quants, I'm sure they can do some optimization for image recognition or in the worse case change out your car's GPUs or something, you're paying 10k for FSD anyway.
as long as its CLEAR that it's a promise not a current feature, thats KIND of on the customer too. the problem is when it's not clear that it's an upcoming feature ... I would never pay for anything that couldn't do the thing RIGHT now. Maybe thats just me... but buying promises and then being surprised just baffles me.
Probably wont get read, but will add anyway. testing laptops on battery only isn't as difficult as you may think, unplugging isn't a thing you just need an automated way to turn off the power at the wall. you can do that with your Christmas lights and cheap amazon wireless or Bluetooth plug,. This isn't reinventing the wheel just using something in a work from than triggers a cut off and then on again. You guys got this one.
Gotta disagree with Luke when they talked about the cameras to monitor if a store or gym is busy, he said “there’s so much more easier ways to check if the business is busy”
Eh, nah, that would pretty much be the easiest way to tell if somewhere is busy. There are certainly less intrusive ways, but easier? How?
So many people take that quote and roll with it, he never said it can’t happen….he said it is harder. Keep in mind ALL FSD right now is all trained on the hw 3.0 computers- even the new hw 4 is limited to 3 capabilities and still amazing. Give the team time, they work hard- it’s not an easy problem.
As your resident friendly bartender viewer I will say, a camera makes sense for club going, people always get caught in clubs because of Photos, the average club goer really doesn't care about being filmed and photographed regularly and most clubs want to show when they're busy.
This idea might actually take off and the clubs themselves will benefit from the recordings for advertising.
I will say I personally agree with you, and it's got a lot of issues, but honestly, I know the industry. This makes sense.
1:24:00 What if for the battery only test automation, you leave the charger plugged in and use a smart switch to turn power off at the outlet?
Long Shirts are hard currently in Aus my only options is to buy 3 then extend 2 of them with the 3rd. Even at 7xl they just get wider not longer.
Tesla is screwed two ways. They not only sold something to their customers that never came.
They also sold that concept to their shareholders as a promise of revenue that will never eventuate.
When anyone hates Elon musk, probably the person doing more for humanity and the planet right now than any other single person, I lose respect and trust for them. Calling the most important person on earth right now who's doing more for all of us than anybody a douche nozzle is hilarious but it just goes to show that Linus is not just out of touch with reality, he's probably woke.
I was wondering why I don't see more comments like this, is this audience Canadian or just woke? 🤣🤖💅
@@ControversialPoliticsOfficialdude you’re a commie calm down snowflake
Yeah, Elon never even said it was not possilble on HW3, he said it was very difficult, everything Elon does is very difficult. Linus comments will not age well.
@@rizzalli1 Linus' comments will age just fine. By now it's trivial for any good faith actor with a modicum of engineering talent to conclude that Level 4 or 5 is not possible on the HW3 computer with the current cameras in their current locations without augmenting the sensor array.
@1:31:40 Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc
This was a great stream, congrats on the gifts Luke.