What OnePlus doesn't want you to think about
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OPPO and OnePlus are related and they have shared resources ever since OnePlus was born. The first OnePlus phone was just a version of the OPPO Find 7, so it's no surprise that the newer OnePlus phones would share components with the OPPO Find series as well. But a lot has happened since the OnePlus launch and the sharing is becoming a lot more confusing. The Story Behind series, episode 64
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Hey, just so you know; i didn't get a notif for this video, or your video on 'Ratio' last month. I had to catch up with you again thru the side block of someone you turned me onto several months ago.
Why was the video title changed?
Why r u changing the thumbnail 🤣
Can't remember if you mentioned POCO in that video, but, do you think tomorrow they're betraying their core customers expecting one of the best priced SD865 device?
Hello . I signed up for curiosity Stream using the link in the description but theres no access to nebula ?
_"You've become the very thing you swore to destroy"_
Mother of dragon
Obiwan Kenobi to Anakin Skywalker
OnePlus: Dont lecture us, fans. We see through the lies of flagship killers, we do not fear the flagships as you do, we have brought amazing screens, awesome cameras, fast charging and IP water resistance to our fanbase
I have never seen this, you are so original, nobody thought of this joke NOBODY.
@@fiercelypolygons3696 fans: flagships are EVIL
OP: from our eyes flagships killers are EVIL
🤣🤣
You should have titled the video as "Oneplus has finally settled"
UP
and away
The settled with this 6T
*UP!*
What exactly is meant here by "settled" in this context?
2018: flagship killer
2020: wallet killer
Yeah, it is really sad. OnePlus released a brand new, most expensive phone ever last year called the OnePlus 7 Pro at $670. The next year, the budget OnePlus phone was more expensive than the previous years flagship. OnePlus is pricing previous customers out of the market. Here is something amazing... Apple released a device that is cheaper than any phone Oneplus has released in 4 years. Wow.
Yep, my 6 was much cheaper than the 8 on launch.
@@HAFBeast91 That's why i'm switching from my OP6 to the new SE next year.
@@youravggamer se only has a good processor it looks so outdated
@@drakidou9232 You see, my priorities just happen to match the SE. I don't really care that much about bezel-less phones, and phones in general are getting huge. I already think my OP6 (6,28") is a little too big, and that was 2 years ago. The iPhone SE also has less ram, but guess what, iOS is really well optimized that Apple even released the iPod Touch 7th Gen with 1GB of RAM (which I personally think is a bad move), but it's quite smooth. The phone also has TouchID outside of the display, which is faster and still works if your phone cracks. It has an IP rating, which is an upgrade from my current OP6 which is not certified (broke one OP6 in the water (screen dead, but still responsive)). And it's less likely I will drop it as it's a smaller phone.
They should really drop the "Never Settle" moniker by now.
...for they have finally settled.
Their prices still haven't settled. That's why they haven't dropped it yet.
Just like Google dropped "don't be evil"
It's the similar to Apple's "courage"
We got it wrong man. It was "never settle for money"
oneplus then: Flagship KILLER
oneplus Now: Just a regular flagship
Leovince Lastimosa regular flagship with bad cameras 😌😌😂😂
@@NOTAPRO and overpriced
OnePlus then: "Never Settle!"
OnePlus now: "Eat a dick, asshole."
I'm not OnePlus fanboy, but SD865 is so expensive you know? And OnePlus 8 pro now have really good real 10-bit display and big 48MP sensor, not ordinary 48MP sensor. And the phone cost $899. Not too expensive. Even Xiaomi right now reached $1000 price tag while not having IP68 rating.
indeed
*"If you cant beat them, join them"*
- Oneplus 2020
Actually that’ll happen later...right now OnePlus is still beating them
But oneplus was beating them
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Red X it’s literally a quote
@@FesNeedsNewShoes right? It's a fucking crime that these people haven't seen The Dark Knight
@@clocked0 not only I never saw it, I have no idea what that is
@@ricardo_boutique "General Kenobi, you disappoint me!"
"I wouldn't be surprised if they (the employees that left) will circle back into the smartphone industry" Well that is allegedly what Carl Pei is doing
Bro you've predicted it very accurately about these enthusiasts brand and where they will end eventually from consumers point of view
Congratulations! Your OnePlus evolved into Samsung!
Samsung yet have the A line of phones though. I use A70 and I'm OK with that.
@@RanmaruRei OnePlus Z?
Nah, it doesn't have an ugly bloated UI
...Evolved into a Samsung *including a free CCP backdoor!*
@@JohnSmith-du4fi I mean, even iOS has a backdoor for the CCP...
yeah. you're really spot on with that one
Yo Abdul Ghani,my grandfather's name was Abdul Ghani too😂
@@ahsan.v8 cool 😂
Indeed, the title made me wait for the new enthusiast brand that now makes flagship killer or something. Instead I got the OP = Oppo (known for years)
AndroidCentral: You won't find two phones which are more similar.
Apple: Hold my SE!
But Not
Pi A U Blind? he said similar, not “exactly the same phone as past”. Then SE comes into picture. Hope you Get the difference
@@parthoomphy7214 LOLzz!!
POCO: Just grab of the shelf k30 pro and slap a sticker on it.
@@meawmnj They just have different names for different markets
Obi Wan: You was supposed to destory them, not join them!
One plus: I HATE YOU!
Actually, most OnePlus phones have been basically rebrands of Oppo phones, with slight differences.
Also the OP8P's '5x' isn't optical 5x, it's 3x with a crop.
But way better skin and software and more software updates!
@@megamind8359 well software updates are only 2 years, among the best on Android but I will like to see in anyone something more near to the 5 to 6 years of Apple
@@Pro720HyperMaster720 for one plus it actually 3.
2 is for Samsung
@@Pro720HyperMaster720 OnePluses get at least 3 years
@@Ignacio.Romero Maybe I'm wrong (I should specify what kind) but I think are 2 for android updates/versions and 3 of security patches, same as Samsung
Reminds me of Apple's classic ad that always resurfaces: "Does more. Costs less." Almost 30 years later and people who say "Apple betrayed enthusiasts and only cater to sheep" don't understand that that business model cannot last forever, they have to start pursuing more profitable markets eventually which will lead to increased development and advertising costs and then expensive products in the end.
People really don't understand how cost works in general tbh, they just complain when they can't afford something, even though there are still cheaper alternatives
laughs without headphone jack
Removing that was probably the biggest middle finger yet from Apple. And also the best marketing scheme they came up with yet.
@@donaldbaird7849 I can't bear the salty oneplus fans for being it a bigger company now. aren't you supposed to like be happy when you see a company grow and also bring more stuff to the table? lmao. Also, the 7t is now $500 on their website and the only shit it doesn't have are some flagship features, while still having other flagship features such as 90hz and a crazy fast SD855+, but they just focus on the actual flagship lmao.
It can, just not under capitalistic definitions of success.
I am glad you're keeping the old sounds / music / intro. Those transmit something special, announcing the user that he's on different kind of video. A video with top notch quality material.
Kudos. Keep going!
agree
The intro music and visuals are just presentation they don't mean anything. He could change them and the content would still be solid.
@@reanetsemoleleki8219 still the old intro was waaaaay better.
@@amermeleitor yeah I agree that. I disagree with OP applying meaning that isn't there as a smokescreen to hide an aesthetic bias. There's nothing wrong with saying I like the old thing better than the new thing.
@@reanetsemoleleki8219 audio effects and music triggers emotion and create an atmosphere.
Look at movies, where they are using music and sound effects to create atmosphere and set an emotional state.
My 2¢
I was beginning to miss your updates, Marton! By the way, that old video you mention at the beginning is exactly the video that made me discover you. Keep up the good work!
7:37 They need to reduce their prices in Europe too or they're going to become completely irrelevant. They've already reduced their staff in the UK, France and Germany by 80% because of poor sales
And you know, maybe an ongoing economic crisis in Europe also.
@@kicapanmanis1060 OnePlus said the economic pressure caused by Covid-19 played no part in their decision and that it was "normal restructuring" www.androidcentral.com/oneplus-has-laid-some-european-offices-80
ONEPLUS 8 PRO is out of stock everywhere, including UK, so how come you say "poor sales"?
@@yassersaeed2010 not only the oneplus 8 pro, the 7t was also out of stock for like 2 weeks
Coronavirus crysis bro
The reason why brands will leave their enthusiasts is perfectly explained in the book "Start with Why" by Simon Sinek. Highly recommended!
I was actually thinking about OnePlus as I was reading Start With Why this week. Funny you should comment this. Inspired me to pick it up from my night stand and do some more reading before bed. Cheers!
Could you briefly sum up why? I’ve heard about the book before and I’m curious. Thanks!
@@3SICKsty/videos The reason I was thinking of OnePlus while reading was because of how enticed I was by OnePlus's earlier phone designs. They appealed to me due to how they sought to do things differently: crowd-sourced design decisions, a focus on consumer interests without bloated smartphone pricing, avoiding the"innovation" that many phone sellers use to make their product seem like it stands out while all it actually does is make them like every other flagship on the market. The OnePlus 6t and 7 (non pro) were great examples of how OnePlus excelled in doing this. I won't recount everything in the above video, but it perfectly sums up how OnePlus lost sight of this. There's really no way they can compete with Apple and Samsung in the high-end market, in my opinion. Even as they attempt to create mass appeal for their phones, they lose the thing that made them different. In short, as Simon Sineck would put it, "They lost their Why." I would recommend the book. Though it's quite abstract and a solid criticism of Sineck is that he's been more of an 'inspirer' than a leader throughout his career. I believe any such leadership books should be taken with a grain of salt and the acknowledgement that they simplify many complex topics. But the advice in the book is sound for those who are seeking authenticity in their career and business decisions.
I've been waiting for this video to conclude that 3-year old video you released
Nowadays, the "enthusiasts" themselves also go out of their way more often. They've learned that, if they search, they will find. Good hardware can be found for a low price from smaller chinese brands, custom roms are a thing, and as you said yourself: Android Versions don't even matter that much anymore. I'd even go so far to say: the enthusiast that once was doesn't exist like that anymore.
@Setzer K As long as you get security updates it's all good. Most features can be replicated by 3rd party apps!
Agree...wheneve I bought a phone first thing i did was unlock BL and flash custom rom.
But nowadays I get almost all the functionality in stock rom and mots important thing is security and stability bucuase nowadays we have personal stuff and data stored in our phone so I am afraid of messing with my phone.
I am settled now
@Setzer K
Hi, what's so special about fstop photo viewer? Never heard of it before.
@Setzer K lol I got downvoted to hell for saying the same thing on reddit
2:20 it's 3X for the oneplus and 5X for the oppo
I rewatch that video plus the rant one about OnePlus hype occasionally. They have stood the test of times!
I have to say this. I'm not a techie, I don't usually watch or read reviews of phones or software. But i never miss any of your videos. First of all, I just love your voice and your accent. It's like AMSR to me ^_^ And secondly, you explain everything so well, even me, a real dumb-dumb when it comes to technology, can appreciate it. I especially love it when you explain the economics of it all. I do like economics.
I am a student of economics and I love to watch his videos.
Man these companies need to hire you as an analyst
Absolutely great analysis
"The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master"
You were definitely right with your video a few years ago. I was waiting for you to upload this!
What happened to Ratio launcher which you did video on? I registered in their site and got nothing. The buzz around the launcher is also silent.
Please make a video on microsoft acquiring NPM
I really like to twerk on that intro music even though I can't twerk.
Always a treat to watch your in depth analysis!!!
this is so true! though i noticed it long back but im glad someone made a video on this
Oneplus then: flagship killers , oneplus now: we hope others don’t kill our flagships.
"You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would kill the flagships, not join them!"
Finally you are here. Was waiting for sooooooooooo long for a video. Please make videos more often.
Actually an interesting point, I didn't even notice the similarities between those phones. This OPPO x oneplus business Modell is really something new. Curious to see how well this will work out in the future.
Your videos always take a different approach to these topics, always happy to see you do more. Keep it up!
Yeah, every business needs to grow.
I guess after wank plus became the flagship.
And xiaomeme pricing 1000€ for the mi 10 series.
Realme and Poco are taking that enthusiast brand and pushing it.
Also great video as usual.
And redmi
Well.... There are rumors that the next Pocophone will be expensive :'D
oof
@@MrFlauxhol and it is,that's what he said, it's a cycle
Betraying fans are better than betraying the profit.
Realme? No. Poco? Probably. A true enthusiast brand isn’t really about “price to performance ratios” or “bang for buck”, but their initiative to help you free/open up your device and do things as you will because you own them.
As usual, great content! Very analytical. Love your videos.
I miss your videos and I'm bummed out that you don't post often. Literally one of the best tech channels out there
Is there a new enthusiast brand like oneplus once was? I am not really keen on paying 700€ for a Smartphone and my Oneplus 6 will need a replacement eventually.
There is still the OnePlus 7T which ticks all the boxes except for 5G or maybe Realme can fill the gap.
@@worldhello1234 The 7T doesn't have a headphone jack anymore though.
I got my 7T today from OnePlus(uk) for 469 with 3+ years software updates ,so you don't need to go 700+ for a good phone.Choose wisely !!
I'd look again in a few years. As we have seen with OnePlus, companies can change drastically within just a few years.
I'm still on my OP 3, still getting updates thanks to LineageOS.
I don’t believe the phones have officially launched yet, but TLC seems keen to take up that space. Might be something to look in to
Yes, exactly! Thanks for this video. That's what I was feeling aswell especially with the new release of the OP8Pro. I will stick with my 5T for a longer time I think....Anyone knows which "Enthusiast" start-up phone company I could switch to in the upcoming months/years? I'm done with OnePlus...
I'm in the same boat, who is the replacement of One plus at this point?
Check your TMobile stores. You can get a OnePlus 7 pro for 450. Snapdragon 855, 8gb ram, 256gb onboard storage, ufs 3.0 dual lane. Dual SIM if you flash international os
@@Jay-fq4dt Sorry to hear that. You can find it on eBay for cheap too. Alternatives include OnePlus 6t and 7t.
@@Jay-fq4dt nice. What stops me is availability and band support for America. But that looks like the OnePlus 7 pro big time k30 pro
@@Jay-fq4dt agreed however part of the reason I got the 7 plus was no notch so if OnePlus 8t/8t pro removes notch I will consider it.
2:23 Not 5x periscope for the OnePlus 8 Pro...It's a 3x hybrid-optical telephoto camera...
This video made my thought process so stimulated that I downloaded the nebula app you mentioned.
The transformation is complete and now i'm completely uninterested in this company. Congratulations Oneplus, you succeeded at becoming boring. They went from being an exciting new startup, challenging conventions even with arrogance, to just become a rebrand of Oppo flagships for western youtubers. Don't complain if the market is getting stale, if they all do the same things, nothing out of the ordinary box.
It's now the big players that are doing exciting things, like Pixel with the 3A and Apple with the new SE. Both amazing phones for their mid-range price points
@@rommelalbay2517 I wouldn't care about the price if OnePlus would have brought something that feels new and different, instead they are just making their usual OnePlus smartphones slightly more expensive every year. It's hard to blame them in particular cause many other companies are going the same direction, but it is disappointing cause they used to stand out more and it could have gone differently. I respect more nicher brands like Smartisan cause at least they tried to do things nobody else was doing.
The mainstream is always the endgame for these type of brand so it's really not surprising
Realme is the new OnePlus. It's from the same parent company BBK and is very good value for money
OnePlus was never good at innovation
they just do price game before
People complained when OnePlus phones didn't have wireless charging, they still complain that they do 🙄
I love your content you're such a unique tech youtuber because you don't just do unboxings keep it up!
Not often I get to see a video right after it appears :D. I hate the bell gizmo though... don't understand why would people click it. Thanks for the video Martin! You are one of the best. Right up there with Rene Ritchie and AppleExplained.
I see that there are several first ones here :D I guess I can say that I am first too then.
Im already looking forward for your next video in 3 years :)
My prediction: Either OnePlus continues to work on its mindshare and finds something to differentiate itself from the competition like Huawei did with its cameras, or it is going to stagnate in the long run. Dont think too many people are keen getting an expensive Android phone from a relatively unknown brand, and the enthusiasts probably already moved on to Xiaomi.
Im also curious to know what that means for Oppo, sharing nearly the exact same phone but having to spent double for marketing, software support and so on...
Is there anyway we can flash oxygen os to the oppo with full support since they share almost everything
I'm using oneplus 7t and they are trying to avoid giving me warranty services.
My service requests are taking month to process and my warranty expires soon.
what i wanna know is, is your TA in background neon or led, & why led?
There's no way in hell I'd pay $1k for a generic android phone.
Agreed. If you want to dish out that much you want a mainstream brand like Samsung or Apple. Companies with a good reputation.
@@willthomas7239 Snapdragon variant? sure. Exynos variant? nah.
I rather buy other brands, or even Apple.
Fritzkier good point. If exynos can actually start using good thermal design (as it can get up to 57 degrees Celsius during benchmarks) and start performing like the A13 and SD865 then I may consider.
@@willthomas7239 Well, Exynos 990 wasn't that bad tbh. At the very least it's comparable to Kirin 990 if not better (if only it doesn't throttle), but still way behind Snapdragon 865.
It's just, releasing two regional-depended variant with a same price, even though one of them are far more inferior, is just cunning. I bet no one would protest if the Exynos variant is cheaper than the Snapdragon variant.
its not generic
0:21 I like this video too =D
Oppo and 1+ essentially regulated under the same umbrella of BBK electronics. So it’s not a surprise to me that they historically share a lot of things in common.
the content of this channel is really Enthusiastic i love it
Poco F1 vs Poco F2 - Jumps in price by 30% in one generation.
One+ is off the chat now, it is more expensive, almost double in price in 4 years..
Thanks for sharing👍😀
I watched that video long time ago and it inspired me a lot ...good job Friend
I love that I can watch the video without ads as long as I use the platform that you're advertising 😉. Just teasing, I really like your delivery style and content
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the new Nord!
The caption would been more appropriate if you said : How Oneplus ditched their loyal customers in terms of their ability to purchase phones. From $300 to $899
I watch literally all of your videos. I really enjoy your opinions and perspectives
Excellent presentation and top notch production. Been watching you since OnePlus 3T
That's why I respect Xiaomi, everyone cam taste their products.
Their software support is pretty good, not as good as oxygen OS but they at least try to get all their phones updated to Android 10.
Oxygen OS is what seperates OnePlus to everything else in the market. Hardware is the same in many phones
In India there are no nonsensical additional fees like the "Urheberrechtsabgabe" in Germany.
That is also the reason, why KaiOS devices in Germany are so expensive, so that you can better buy a cheap/low tech Android Smartphone.
Urhahheb... what is that?
@@littlechemie5425 A kind of "copyright royalty" for the sheer opportunity of making a legally allowed copy for private use only. And the money goes to evil companies instead of the creators/artists. So this waterhead administrations eats most of the money for self purpose.
Marten - I thought of that video when OnePlus announced the 8 Plus. You were prescient, but I am not surprised. Nicely done.
It is fine that OnePlus leaves their audience... coz now other brands (including xiaomi, realme, and even apple!) do what OnePlus used to do: "bare minimum amazing snappy phone"
Lol for me it feels like the 8 Pro is the perfect nerd phone for me at last, I have money to burn and I live in Europe so I won't go for Samsung. Watching on my marine blue oneplus 8 Pro 12gb!🔥⚡ But more price hikes are gonna make me go away and I'm betting that's gonna happen and I'm not a very big fanboy just half.
David Johansson this is so defensive for a bad purchase you made
@@ashishdhandharia198 it's not a bad purchase, there isn't a better phone in Europe. Tell me one if there is, but there isn't! Samsung uses exynos and I'm not getting that and I've moved from my XR so not gonna get an iPhone.
@Red X I am a nerd, I know everything about phones. And if you did you wouldn't say it's a bad purchase because it has all the specs you want.
@Red X my man just because you don't have a phone that costs a lot of money or you don't have the most powerful processor doesn't mean you can tell me mine is bad without reason for it.
David Johansson I completely agree with you.Here in India too,although pricing is perfect,but Samsung sells those shitty Exynos versions which are way below than their Snapdragon counterparts.So unless Samsung switches to Snapdragon,or improve their Exynos,there’s no better Android Option.Also,their software experience,though better than earlier,is not great.
Yaaay! A tech altar video. What else could have I wished for.
million dollars
@@vikastripathi1 tax authorities: Nani?
Thank you! As always, I learn so much about how the tech industry works from your videos. Please keep up the great content!
The evergreen enthusiast brand is Linux 😎😎
2020, the year I finally bought my first Oneplus phone. The discounted OP 7T Pro. Of course.
Great video :) your insights are really valuable. I will finally sign up for nebula just for you
Can you please share the background score, it's very pleasing
I am ready to leave OnePlus. I have used them since the OnePlus 2, but his has become ridiculous. Bye OnePlus.
What are you switching to?
@@AutoKay hes probably switching to realme so he gets his data stolen
Watching this in my OnePlus lol
Yeah I remember when you said that vedio and you called what was gonna happen good on you man
Thanks for the video. Interesting bit at the end about Nebula. How long to do think it will take before Nebula betrays its core user base?
Great video. I can definitely see this. I own an Oppo Reno, which is a fantastic phone in terms of hardware, but software wise is still far from Oneplus, especially in terms of speed on releasing firmwares (I'm stll waiting for Android 10). But I see that they're slowly trying to get closer to Oneplus, and Oneplus to the other main industries like Samsung. And Oneplus isn't only holding the best hardware phones, but also the best Android software. And I do agree that there is a "circle of life" in which Oneplus will probably have that kind of mainstream phase just like with Samsung, and in that point we will probably see a new industry similar to the Oneplus of the past.
Just recently discovered your channel, what a goldmine. Going through all your videos, keep up the good work!
Will buy subscription for your website once the wallet gets over the pandemic mood kill
My 3T is fine for now but will eventually need a replacement. Should I go for Huawei, Xaomi, Redmi, RealMe, Oppo or something else maybe??
you have one of the best tech channels on youtube. Great research and analytics
I remember those days when they had wooden styleswap-covers and a geeky vibe around their brand. I still love their phones. What they did great by being more visible is being a trustworthy brand in the eyes of Samsung S-line users and I think that's exactly the group they want to attract. However I would love to see them reintroducing their wooden backcovers! Be unique!
Would this mean that custom ROMs developed for the OP8 Pro (for example) could also work just fine on the OPPO Find X2 Pro?
But you can't even unlock bootloader in oppo phones.
@@akashr2856 oh lmao, good point, didn't even think of that :D
Your analysis is on point. Great work!
Quite insightful. Thank you for this.
Your old video was one of the most insightful videos I've ever seen. Also makes sense considering enthusiasts WANT to move on to new products, they live on the edge of innovation, selecting the best and bringing them to the masses. Nether party is happy if the status quo continued
I always remember seeing your video a few years back! Hats off, you were certainly spot on! Watching on my 8 Pro.. almost double the price of the 6T I bought 18 months ago!! Complete with a few screen issues.. but a very, very good phone nevertheless. Roll on the 8T and let's hope the price doesn't go up again. This was the last step up in price for me.
Now is really a goodtime to buy last year's flagships.. Good prices and still good specs
Exactly, SD 855 phones for 300€ is much better than these midranges for 500€ that OnePlus is trying to sell
Losing the audio jack is very frustrating.
With my One Plus 6T's battery becoming a bit tired now, is there a new enthusiast brand I should take a look at?
2:22 OP 8 Pro has 3x hybrid and Oppo Find X2 Pro has 5x optical
I am reminded of Unilever: They sell so many shampoos using different brand names, that you could end up choosing between products from the same company. Similarly, whether you pick your next phone between Oppo, Vivo, Realme or OnePlus, you have already chosen to buy a BBK phone.
At least Realme is doing what OnePlus used to be, with the Realme X2 Pro being basically a 7T that's $100 cheaper (at least in Canada). They also do actual budget phones, like the Realme 6 and midrange like the 6 Pro.
Are they both from bbk electronics? So it makes sense if they have the same stuff
You have opened my eyes into few points. I may otherwise ignored it.
That video was hella on point. I dead ass just send it to people that are hardass enthusiast of enthusiast brands.
Everytime i think about an interesting topic about the hi-tech world Tech Altar makes a video about It. You are a genious dude and i'm addicted to this Channel. There Is nothing like that in Italy! You should make a live because i have a lot of questions for you